---------------------------------------------------------- Pietenpol-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Sat 01/01/11: 29 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 02:26 AM - Re: Re: Aileron Hinge (Charles Campbell) 2. 03:49 AM - Re: Re: Re: Aileron Hinge (Jack) 3. 04:40 AM - My new logo (helspersew@aol.com) 4. 04:52 AM - Re: My new logo (Jack Phillips) 5. 05:20 AM - Re: My new logo (Jack) 6. 05:29 AM - Re: My new logo (Gene & Tammy) 7. 06:04 AM - Re: Re: Re: Aileron Hinge (Charles Campbell) 8. 06:12 AM - Re: My new logo (Charles Campbell) 9. 06:15 AM - Re: Re: Re: Aileron Hinge (Charles Campbell) 10. 06:54 AM - Re: Re: Re: Re: Aileron Hinge (Jack) 11. 07:40 AM - Re: My new logo (Gboothe5) 12. 08:43 AM - Re: My new logo (AmsafetyC@aol.com) 13. 08:45 AM - Re: Additional questions regarding split axle gear fittings (Jack) 14. 08:46 AM - Re: My new logo (AmsafetyC@aol.com) 15. 09:41 AM - New year....Whoopee (Lawrence Williams) 16. 09:44 AM - Re: Happy 2011 may 2010 go directly to well thats another story (ldmill) 17. 10:06 AM - Re: New year....Whoopee (airlion) 18. 10:27 AM - movie (skellytown flyer) 19. 10:42 AM - Fw: Where are you, Mike Glasgow? (Timothy Willis) 20. 12:11 PM - Re: My new logo (Kenneth Howe) 21. 04:47 PM - Amelia (the movie) (shad bell) 22. 06:02 PM - Re: Fw: Where are you, Mike Glasgow? (kevinpurtee) 23. 06:07 PM - Build Log Survey (gtche98) 24. 06:23 PM - Re: Build Log Survey (Peter W Johnson) 25. 07:10 PM - Re: Build Log Survey (Greg Cardinal) 26. 07:45 PM - Re: Re: Fw: Where are you, Mike Glasgow? (airlion) 27. 08:23 PM - Re: Build Log Survey (Clif Dawson) 28. 11:03 PM - Official Pietenpol-List FAQ (Frequently Asked Questions) (Matt Dralle) 29. 11:04 PM - Official Pietenpol-List Usage Guidelines (Matt Dralle) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 02:26:41 AM PST US From: "Charles Campbell" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Aileron Hinge Chris, apparently the links you sent last night are bad. My computer comes up with "Page not found" on all three links. Sure you sent the correct links or is my computer screwwy? Chuck ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris" Sent: Friday, December 31, 2010 9:46 PM Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Aileron Hinge > > Adrian > > Jack Textor sent some good pictures of his full span aileron hinges > Jack's web page is > http://www.textors.com/PietProject.htm > Look for the hinge pictures near the bottom. > > Here are a couple of them from my web page but I think they are duplicates > of his page. > http://westcoastpiet.com/images/Jack%20Textor/images/9-25-08_006_800x600.jpg > http://westcoastpiet.com/images/Jack%20Textor/images/Ailerons_003_800x600.jp > g > > Poke around his picture page on my website and you can see pictures of how > he instilled them. > http://westcoastpiet.com/images/Jack%20Textor/wing.htm > > I also did the full span hinges but haven uploaded the pictures to the > website yet. > > Chris > Sacramento, Ca > Westcoastpiet.com > > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of pineymb > Sent: Friday, December 31, 2010 10:38 AM > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Aileron Hinge > > > Jack > > Went into the shop this morning and took a few pictures which hopefully > show > enough detail of the aileron hinge setup. As you can see there is serious > overkill in the size of the hinges as well as the poor alignment due to > the > welding of the loops. I stopped by a local hardware store and picked up > various strap hinges to use as samples. The plans call for a 3" light > strap > which I perceive to be the length of one halve and the width being 1.25" > as > opposed to the 2.5" wide heavy duty hinge as shown in the pictures. > > Certainly like the idea of a continuous hinge which as you mentioned would > involve adding two layers of 1/8" ply to the aileron beams. In your > opinion > would the width of shim be same as the hinge or the full width of the beam > to have a flat surface for the fabric finish? > > Haven't had any luck finding pictures of you setup so if have any and > would > like to share them it would be greatly appreciated. You could forward them > offline if you prefer. > > -------- > Adrian M > Winnipeg, MB > Canada > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=325114#325114 > > > Attachments: > > http://forums.matronics.com//files/dsc00364_978.jpg > http://forums.matronics.com//files/dsc00362_197.jpg > http://forums.matronics.com//files/dsc00359_105.jpg > > > ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 03:49:09 AM PST US From: "Jack" Subject: RE: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Aileron Hinge Charles, Not sure but this just worked for me http://westcoastpiet.com/images/Jack%20Textor/wing.htm Jack DSM do not archive -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Charles Campbell Sent: Saturday, January 01, 2011 4:24 AM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Aileron Hinge Chris, apparently the links you sent last night are bad. My computer comes up with "Page not found" on all three links. Sure you sent the correct links or is my computer screwwy? Chuck ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris" Sent: Friday, December 31, 2010 9:46 PM Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Aileron Hinge > > Adrian > > Jack Textor sent some good pictures of his full span aileron hinges > Jack's web page is > http://www.textors.com/PietProject.htm > Look for the hinge pictures near the bottom. > > Here are a couple of them from my web page but I think they are duplicates > of his page. > http://westcoastpiet.com/images/Jack%20Textor/images/9-25-08_006_800x600.jpg > http://westcoastpiet.com/images/Jack%20Textor/images/Ailerons_003_800x600.jp > g > > Poke around his picture page on my website and you can see pictures of how > he instilled them. > http://westcoastpiet.com/images/Jack%20Textor/wing.htm > > I also did the full span hinges but haven uploaded the pictures to the > website yet. > > Chris > Sacramento, Ca > Westcoastpiet.com > > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of pineymb > Sent: Friday, December 31, 2010 10:38 AM > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Aileron Hinge > > > Jack > > Went into the shop this morning and took a few pictures which hopefully > show > enough detail of the aileron hinge setup. As you can see there is serious > overkill in the size of the hinges as well as the poor alignment due to > the > welding of the loops. I stopped by a local hardware store and picked up > various strap hinges to use as samples. The plans call for a 3" light > strap > which I perceive to be the length of one halve and the width being 1.25" > as > opposed to the 2.5" wide heavy duty hinge as shown in the pictures. > > Certainly like the idea of a continuous hinge which as you mentioned would > involve adding two layers of 1/8" ply to the aileron beams. In your > opinion > would the width of shim be same as the hinge or the full width of the beam > to have a flat surface for the fabric finish? > > Haven't had any luck finding pictures of you setup so if have any and > would > like to share them it would be greatly appreciated. You could forward them > offline if you prefer. > > -------- > Adrian M > Winnipeg, MB > Canada > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=325114#325114 > > > Attachments: > > http://forums.matronics.com//files/dsc00364_978.jpg > http://forums.matronics.com//files/dsc00362_197.jpg > http://forums.matronics.com//files/dsc00359_105.jpg > > > ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 04:40:27 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: My new logo From: helspersew@aol.com Happy New Year to you all you good people, (no four-flushers here) Here is my not-quite-finished logo I have been working on. This has been in the works for about a year in total. After I got this idea one night in a dream, I thought I surely had seen it before somewhere, and was just recall ing it from what I had seen. So I Googled it and came up with nothing, so c oncluded that I had dreamt this up myself. I wanted a true period font, so I actually bought a used book of the 1929-era fonts from Amazon that was pu blished in about 1930. You would have thought that I could find something i n there that I liked, but no. So I did some searches of early air mail plan es and found a photo from the Chicago Tribune photo archives from that era, of an air mail plane with some lettering on it. This was precisely what I was looking for. So at that point I hand-drew all the needed letters of the correct sizes, and cut them out with scissors. Then I laid those letters o ut on a piece of velum paper, and traced around them onto the velum. Then I took my trusty pounce wheel (as suggested on this list by Glenn Thomas, CT .) and "pounced" out all the letters and circle onto the velum. Then I tape d the velum sheet onto my plane, and used a silver "magic marker" to transf er the logo onto the side of my fuze. I used "One Shot" brand paint to hand -paint onto the fuze. Now I will add some bird wings onto either side with yellow. Dan Helsper Poplar Grove, IL. ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 04:52:05 AM PST US From: "Jack Phillips" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: My new logo Nice to meet you, Mr. Loensloe. Perhaps we may fly together some day. Looks good, Dan Jack Phillips NX899JP "Icarus Plummet, S.O.S. Mayday Model" Raleigh, NC _____ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of helspersew@aol.com Sent: Saturday, January 01, 2011 7:17 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: My new logo Happy New Year to you all you good people, (no four-flushers here) Here is my not-quite-finished logo I have been working on. This has been in the works for about a year in total. After I got this idea one night in a dream, I thought I surely had seen it before somewhere, and was just recalling it from what I had seen. So I Googled it and came up with nothing, so concluded that I had dreamt this up myself. I wanted a true period font, so I actually bought a used book of the 1929-era fonts from Amazon that was published in about 1930. You would have thought that I could find something in there that I liked, but no. So I did some searches of early air mail planes and found a photo from the Chicago Tribune photo archives from that era, of an air mail plane with some lettering on it. This was precisely what I was looking for. So at that point I hand-drew all the needed letters of the correct sizes, and cut them out with scissors. Then I laid those letters out on a piece of velum paper, and traced around them onto the velum. Then I took my trusty pounce wheel (as suggested on this list by Glenn Thomas, CT.) and "pounced" out all the letters and circle onto the velum. Then I taped the velum sheet onto my plane, and used a silver "magic marker" to transfer the logo onto the side of my fuze. I used "One Shot" brand paint to hand-paint onto the fuze. Now I will add some bird wings onto either side with yellow. Dan Helsper Poplar Grove, IL. ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 05:20:41 AM PST US From: "Jack" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: My new logo Fantastic Dan, A Great New Year to you! Jack DSM Do not archive _____ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of helspersew@aol.com Sent: Saturday, January 01, 2011 6:17 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: My new logo Happy New Year to you all you good people, (no four-flushers here) Here is my not-quite-finished logo I have been working on. This has been in the works for about a year in total. After I got this idea one night in a dream, I thought I surely had seen it before somewhere, and was just recalling it from what I had seen. So I Googled it and came up with nothing, so concluded that I had dreamt this up myself. I wanted a true period font, so I actually bought a used book of the 1929-era fonts from Amazon that was published in about 1930. You would have thought that I could find something in there that I liked, but no. So I did some searches of early air mail planes and found a photo from the Chicago Tribune photo archives from that era, of an air mail plane with some lettering on it. This was precisely what I was looking for. So at that point I hand-drew all the needed letters of the correct sizes, and cut them out with scissors. Then I laid those letters out on a piece of velum paper, and traced around them onto the velum. Then I took my trusty pounce wheel (as suggested on this list by Glenn Thomas, CT.) and "pounced" out all the letters and circle onto the velum. Then I taped the velum sheet onto my plane, and used a silver "magic marker" to transfer the logo onto the side of my fuze. I used "One Shot" brand paint to hand-paint onto the fuze. Now I will add some bird wings onto either side with yellow. Dan Helsper Poplar Grove, IL. ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 05:29:18 AM PST US From: "Gene & Tammy" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: My new logo Love it!! Gene in Beautiful Tennessee (hope to get some air under my wings this afternoon) Do Not Archive ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 06:04:55 AM PST US From: "Charles Campbell" Subject: Re: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Aileron Hinge OK, worked for me this time. I guess the server just wasn't ready as early as I was! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jack" Sent: Saturday, January 01, 2011 6:46 AM Subject: RE: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Aileron Hinge > > Charles, > Not sure but this just worked for me > http://westcoastpiet.com/images/Jack%20Textor/wing.htm > Jack > DSM > do not archive > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Charles > Campbell > Sent: Saturday, January 01, 2011 4:24 AM > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Aileron Hinge > > > > Chris, apparently the links you sent last night are bad. My computer > comes > up with "Page not found" on all three links. Sure you sent the correct > links or is my computer screwwy? Chuck > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Chris" > To: > Sent: Friday, December 31, 2010 9:46 PM > Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Aileron Hinge > > >> >> Adrian >> >> Jack Textor sent some good pictures of his full span aileron hinges >> Jack's web page is >> http://www.textors.com/PietProject.htm >> Look for the hinge pictures near the bottom. >> >> Here are a couple of them from my web page but I think they are >> duplicates >> of his page. >> > http://westcoastpiet.com/images/Jack%20Textor/images/9-25-08_006_800x600.jpg >> > http://westcoastpiet.com/images/Jack%20Textor/images/Ailerons_003_800x600.jp >> g >> >> Poke around his picture page on my website and you can see pictures of >> how >> he instilled them. >> http://westcoastpiet.com/images/Jack%20Textor/wing.htm >> >> I also did the full span hinges but haven uploaded the pictures to the >> website yet. >> >> Chris >> Sacramento, Ca >> Westcoastpiet.com >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com >> [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of pineymb >> Sent: Friday, December 31, 2010 10:38 AM >> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com >> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Aileron Hinge >> >> >> Jack >> >> Went into the shop this morning and took a few pictures which hopefully >> show >> enough detail of the aileron hinge setup. As you can see there is serious >> overkill in the size of the hinges as well as the poor alignment due to >> the >> welding of the loops. I stopped by a local hardware store and picked up >> various strap hinges to use as samples. The plans call for a 3" light >> strap >> which I perceive to be the length of one halve and the width being 1.25" >> as >> opposed to the 2.5" wide heavy duty hinge as shown in the pictures. >> >> Certainly like the idea of a continuous hinge which as you mentioned >> would >> involve adding two layers of 1/8" ply to the aileron beams. In your >> opinion >> would the width of shim be same as the hinge or the full width of the >> beam >> to have a flat surface for the fabric finish? >> >> Haven't had any luck finding pictures of you setup so if have any and >> would >> like to share them it would be greatly appreciated. You could forward >> them >> offline if you prefer. >> >> -------- >> Adrian M >> Winnipeg, MB >> Canada >> >> >> >> >> Read this topic online here: >> >> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=325114#325114 >> >> >> >> >> Attachments: >> >> http://forums.matronics.com//files/dsc00364_978.jpg >> http://forums.matronics.com//files/dsc00362_197.jpg >> http://forums.matronics.com//files/dsc00359_105.jpg >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 06:12:05 AM PST US From: "Charles Campbell" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: My new logo That's good. Happy New Year! Don't know if this went out the first time, but here it is again. ----- Original Message ----- From: helspersew@aol.com To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Saturday, January 01, 2011 7:16 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: My new logo Happy New Year to you all you good people, (no four-flushers here) Here is my not-quite-finished logo I have been working on. This has been in the works for about a year in total. After I got this idea one night in a dream, I thought I surely had seen it before somewhere, and was just recalling it from what I had seen. So I Googled it and came up with nothing, so concluded that I had dreamt this up myself. I wanted a true period font, so I actually bought a used book of the 1929-era fonts from Amazon that was published in about 1930. You would have thought that I could find something in there that I liked, but no. So I did some searches of early air mail planes and found a photo from the Chicago Tribune photo archives from that era, of an air mail plane with some lettering on it. This was precisely what I was looking for. So at that point I hand-drew all the needed letters of the correct sizes, and cut them out with scissors. Then I laid those letters out on a piece of velum paper, and traced around them onto the velum. Then I took my trusty pounce wheel (as suggested on this list by Glenn Thomas, CT.) and "pounced" out all the letters and circle onto the velum. Then I taped the velum sheet onto my plane, and used a silver "magic marker" to transfer the logo onto the side of my fuze. I used "One Shot" brand paint to hand-paint onto the fuze. Now I will add some bird wings onto either side with yellow. Dan Helsper Poplar Grove, IL. ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 06:15:00 AM PST US From: "Charles Campbell" Subject: Re: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Aileron Hinge Jack, just wonder what kind of screws/nuts you used to fasten the piano hinge to the wood spars. do you just pull out the hinge pin to seperate the aileron from the wing or do you unscrew the hinge, cover everything, and then replace the hinge? Chuck ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jack" Sent: Saturday, January 01, 2011 6:46 AM Subject: RE: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Aileron Hinge > > Charles, > Not sure but this just worked for me > http://westcoastpiet.com/images/Jack%20Textor/wing.htm > Jack > DSM > do not archive > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Charles > Campbell > Sent: Saturday, January 01, 2011 4:24 AM > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Aileron Hinge > > > > Chris, apparently the links you sent last night are bad. My computer > comes > up with "Page not found" on all three links. Sure you sent the correct > links or is my computer screwwy? Chuck > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Chris" > To: > Sent: Friday, December 31, 2010 9:46 PM > Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Aileron Hinge > > >> >> Adrian >> >> Jack Textor sent some good pictures of his full span aileron hinges >> Jack's web page is >> http://www.textors.com/PietProject.htm >> Look for the hinge pictures near the bottom. >> >> Here are a couple of them from my web page but I think they are >> duplicates >> of his page. >> > http://westcoastpiet.com/images/Jack%20Textor/images/9-25-08_006_800x600.jpg >> > http://westcoastpiet.com/images/Jack%20Textor/images/Ailerons_003_800x600.jp >> g >> >> Poke around his picture page on my website and you can see pictures of >> how >> he instilled them. >> http://westcoastpiet.com/images/Jack%20Textor/wing.htm >> >> I also did the full span hinges but haven uploaded the pictures to the >> website yet. >> >> Chris >> Sacramento, Ca >> Westcoastpiet.com >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com >> [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of pineymb >> Sent: Friday, December 31, 2010 10:38 AM >> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com >> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Aileron Hinge >> >> >> Jack >> >> Went into the shop this morning and took a few pictures which hopefully >> show >> enough detail of the aileron hinge setup. As you can see there is serious >> overkill in the size of the hinges as well as the poor alignment due to >> the >> welding of the loops. I stopped by a local hardware store and picked up >> various strap hinges to use as samples. The plans call for a 3" light >> strap >> which I perceive to be the length of one halve and the width being 1.25" >> as >> opposed to the 2.5" wide heavy duty hinge as shown in the pictures. >> >> Certainly like the idea of a continuous hinge which as you mentioned >> would >> involve adding two layers of 1/8" ply to the aileron beams. In your >> opinion >> would the width of shim be same as the hinge or the full width of the >> beam >> to have a flat surface for the fabric finish? >> >> Haven't had any luck finding pictures of you setup so if have any and >> would >> like to share them it would be greatly appreciated. You could forward >> them >> offline if you prefer. >> >> -------- >> Adrian M >> Winnipeg, MB >> Canada >> >> >> >> >> Read this topic online here: >> >> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=325114#325114 >> >> >> >> >> Attachments: >> >> http://forums.matronics.com//files/dsc00364_978.jpg >> http://forums.matronics.com//files/dsc00362_197.jpg >> http://forums.matronics.com//files/dsc00359_105.jpg >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 06:54:47 AM PST US From: "Jack" Subject: RE: Re: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Aileron Hinge MS24694's can't recall the length. When I do cover the hinges will be removed. Aileron can be separated from the wing by removing the pin. Jack -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Charles Campbell Sent: Saturday, January 01, 2011 8:13 AM Subject: Re: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Aileron Hinge Jack, just wonder what kind of screws/nuts you used to fasten the piano hinge to the wood spars. do you just pull out the hinge pin to seperate the aileron from the wing or do you unscrew the hinge, cover everything, and then replace the hinge? Chuck ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jack" Sent: Saturday, January 01, 2011 6:46 AM Subject: RE: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Aileron Hinge > > Charles, > Not sure but this just worked for me > http://westcoastpiet.com/images/Jack%20Textor/wing.htm > Jack > DSM > do not archive > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Charles > Campbell > Sent: Saturday, January 01, 2011 4:24 AM > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Aileron Hinge > > > > Chris, apparently the links you sent last night are bad. My computer > comes > up with "Page not found" on all three links. Sure you sent the correct > links or is my computer screwwy? Chuck > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Chris" > To: > Sent: Friday, December 31, 2010 9:46 PM > Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Aileron Hinge > > >> >> Adrian >> >> Jack Textor sent some good pictures of his full span aileron hinges >> Jack's web page is >> http://www.textors.com/PietProject.htm >> Look for the hinge pictures near the bottom. >> >> Here are a couple of them from my web page but I think they are >> duplicates >> of his page. >> > http://westcoastpiet.com/images/Jack%20Textor/images/9-25-08_006_800x600.jpg >> > http://westcoastpiet.com/images/Jack%20Textor/images/Ailerons_003_800x600.jp >> g >> >> Poke around his picture page on my website and you can see pictures of >> how >> he instilled them. >> http://westcoastpiet.com/images/Jack%20Textor/wing.htm >> >> I also did the full span hinges but haven uploaded the pictures to the >> website yet. >> >> Chris >> Sacramento, Ca >> Westcoastpiet.com >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com >> [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of pineymb >> Sent: Friday, December 31, 2010 10:38 AM >> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com >> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Aileron Hinge >> >> >> Jack >> >> Went into the shop this morning and took a few pictures which hopefully >> show >> enough detail of the aileron hinge setup. As you can see there is serious >> overkill in the size of the hinges as well as the poor alignment due to >> the >> welding of the loops. I stopped by a local hardware store and picked up >> various strap hinges to use as samples. The plans call for a 3" light >> strap >> which I perceive to be the length of one halve and the width being 1.25" >> as >> opposed to the 2.5" wide heavy duty hinge as shown in the pictures. >> >> Certainly like the idea of a continuous hinge which as you mentioned >> would >> involve adding two layers of 1/8" ply to the aileron beams. In your >> opinion >> would the width of shim be same as the hinge or the full width of the >> beam >> to have a flat surface for the fabric finish? >> >> Haven't had any luck finding pictures of you setup so if have any and >> would >> like to share them it would be greatly appreciated. You could forward >> them >> offline if you prefer. >> >> -------- >> Adrian M >> Winnipeg, MB >> Canada >> >> >> >> >> Read this topic online here: >> >> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=325114#325114 >> >> >> >> >> Attachments: >> >> http://forums.matronics.com//files/dsc00364_978.jpg >> http://forums.matronics.com//files/dsc00362_197.jpg >> http://forums.matronics.com//files/dsc00359_105.jpg >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 07:40:13 AM PST US From: "Gboothe5" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: My new logo Dan, You continue to amaze me! Nice look. Gary Do not archive From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of helspersew@aol.com Sent: Saturday, January 01, 2011 4:17 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: My new logo Happy New Year to you all you good people, (no four-flushers here) Here is my not-quite-finished logo I have been working on. This has been in the works for about a year in total. After I got this idea one night in a dream, I thought I surely had seen it before somewhere, and was just recalling it from what I had seen. So I Googled it and came up with nothing, so concluded that I had dreamt this up myself. I wanted a true period font, so I actually bought a used book of the 1929-era fonts from Amazon that was published in about 1930. You would have thought that I could find something in there that I liked, but no. So I did some searches of early air mail planes and found a photo from the Chicago Tribune photo archives from that era, of an air mail plane with some lettering on it. This was precisely what I was looking for. So at that point I hand-drew all the needed letters of the correct sizes, and cut them out with scissors. Then I laid those letters out on a piece of velum paper, and traced around them onto the velum. Then I took my trusty pounce wheel (as suggested on this list by Glenn Thomas, CT.) and "pounced" out all the letters and circle onto the velum. Then I taped the velum sheet onto my plane, and used a silver "magic marker" to transfer the logo onto the side of my fuze. I used "One Shot" brand paint to hand-paint onto the fuze. Now I will add some bird wings onto either side with yellow. Dan Helsper Poplar Grove, IL. ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 08:43:16 AM PST US From: "AmsafetyC@aol.com" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: My new logo Nice job Dan especially for a " black and yellow German" just forflushing the day away. Do not archive John Sent via DROID on Verizon Wireless -----Original message----- From: helspersew@aol.com Sent: Sat, Jan 1, 2011 12:41:32 GMT+00:00 Subject: Pietenpol-List: My new logo Happy New Year to you all you good people, (no four-flushers here) Here is my not-quite-finished logo I have been working on. This has been in the works for about a year in total. After I got this idea one night in a dream, I thought I surely had seen it before somewhere, and was just recalling it from what I had seen. So I Googled it and came up with nothing, so concluded that I had dreamt this up myself. I wanted a true period font, so I actually bought a used book of the 1929-era fonts from Amazon that was published in about 1930. You would have thought that I could find something in there that I liked, but no. So I did some searches of early air mail planes and found a photo from the Chicago Tribune photo archives from that era, of an air mail plane with some lettering on it. This was precisely what I was looking for. So at that point I hand-drew all the needed letters of the correct sizes, and cut them out with scissors. Then I laid those letters out on a piece of velum paper, and traced around them onto the velum. Then I took my trusty pounce wheel (as suggested on this list by Glenn Thomas, CT.) and "pounced" out all the letters and circle onto the velum. Then I taped the velum sheet onto my plane, and used a silver "magic marker" to transfer the logo onto the side of my fuze. I used "One Shot" brand paint to hand-paint onto the fuze. Now I will add some bird wings onto either side with yellow. Dan Helsper Poplar Grove, IL. ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 08:45:42 AM PST US From: "Jack" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Additional questions regarding split axle gear fittings Included some links for my second attempt. The "slanted" version would not fit and line up with cross pieces. This one is square (.090) but I'm still not happy with it. Even with relief holes drilled, the 110 degree bend cracked on the edge. That may not matter after welding heavily but who knows. Thinking about using .125 4130 for the bottom plate and utilize 2 pieces of .090 for the side fitting. My gear will definitely take a beating. Happy New Year All Jack DSM http://textors.com/IMG_7519_1600x1067.jpg http://textors.com/IMG_7520_1600x1067.jpg http://textors.com/IMG_7522_1600x1067.jpg http://textors.com/PietProject.html _____ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jack Sent: Friday, December 31, 2010 5:11 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Additional questions regarding split axle gear fittings In the attached photo you really can't see that the lower and side gear fittings are slanted to one side. Did others build with this slant? (I believe Dave did) If so does it angle in to between the struts? So the front one would slant back and the rear would slant forward? For the side fitting, the bend is actually cut into the rectangle portion. Is this so a larger portion of the side bracket can be welded to the bottom plate. I also assume this cut and bend are the reasons the cross section drawing (top right) looks like there are actually two pieces to the side fitting welded to the bottom plate. Sorry I can't be more clear with this. I've combed the archives and pictures but still don't have a good understanding how it all goes together. I would appreciate any pictures that would help with my confusion. Feel free to send to my email directly so we don't litter the list. Thanks and have a great safe New Year! Jack DSM <<...>> ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 08:46:40 AM PST US From: "AmsafetyC@aol.com" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: My new logo By all means. Do it,sounds like the perfect way to start the year off Weight John Sent via DROID on Verizon Wireless -----Original message----- From: Gene & Tammy Sent: Sat, Jan 1, 2011 13:29:47 GMT+00:00 Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: My new logo Love it!! Gene in Beautiful Tennessee (hope to get some air under my wings this afternoon) Do Not Archive ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 09:41:50 AM PST US From: Lawrence Williams Subject: Pietenpol-List: New year....Whoopee Happy 2011 to all!! I was in the air at 0745 this morning cruising over the central AR area (no enemy aircraft in sight) drinking a Dr. Pepper in chilly weather and wondering how things could possibly be any better. 2010 was great with new pursuits, new grandchildren and nice trips with my first wife . Life is good even with the loss of my father. It was his time to go and things went smoothly for him and us but it's still a bit sad that one more WWII fighter pilot gone. New experiences are on the horizon and I am excited about what's in store. My plans include Brodhead this year but there are other things that hit around the same time so logistics might be a little frantic but not impossible. The Piet is doing fine with the engine work and new head but I still claim the title of "Tortise of the fleet". Just can't seem to break into the over-60-mph-cruise regime. I have resigned myself to being happy with what I have and don't sweat it anymore. It might not be swift but it always gets me where I intend to go. "The Piet is slow but the sky is patient." Happy to be above ground and vertical- Larry ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 09:44:44 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Happy 2011 may 2010 go directly to well thats another story From: "ldmill" Actually, my 2010 was one of the best years I've had, very few complaints! Bought "my" GN-1 in May with the intention of using it to build tailwheel time till I finish my Sonex - then sell GN. Interestingly enough, the wife and I have had so much fun flying it that I was informed by her last week - by God, we are not selling "HER" GN - we are going to find a bigger hanger for both planes instead. Considering the GN was purchased in lieu of her new car with no complaints... like I said - it was a great year! Lorin -------- Lorin Miller Waiex N81YX GN-1 N30PP Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=325197#325197 ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 10:06:24 AM PST US From: airlion Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: New year....Whoopee What a great paragraph and story . Happy New Year to you Lawrence and looking forward to meeting you at Brodhead. Gardiner Mason ________________________________ From: Lawrence Williams Sent: Sat, January 1, 2011 12:39:33 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: New year....Whoopee Happy 2011 to all!! I was in the air at 0745 this morning cruising over the central AR area (no enemy aircraft in sight) drinking a Dr. Pepper in chilly weather and wondering how things could possibly be any better. 2010 was great with new pursuits, new grandchildren and nice trips with my first wife . Life is good even with the loss of my father. It was his time to go and things went smoothly for him and us but it's still a bit sad that one more WWII fighter pilot gone. New experiences are on the horizon and I am excited about what's in store. My plans include Brodhead this year but there are other things that hit around the same time so logistics might be a little frantic but not impossible. The Piet is doing fine with the engine work and new head but I still claim the title of "Tortise of the fleet". Just can't seem to break into the over-60-mph-cruise regime. I have resigned myself to being happy with what I have and don't sweat it anymore. It might not be swift but it always gets me where I intend to go. "The Piet is slow but the sky is patient." Happy to be above ground and vertical- Larry ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 10:27:53 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: movie From: "skellytown flyer" I know it's not piet but it's from the period- the movie Pearl- about the youngest licensed American girl flyer was fun to watch. she was taught by Wiley Post -maybe partly because 4 of my grandkids are Chickasaw Indians and the movie was made and distributed by the Chickasaw nation.it's not a truly Hollywood movie- but a story about a young girl growing up before and during the depression.but I sure enjoyed watching it with the kids last night. I think I saw it advertised in the Vintage aircraft magazine but not sure now. I'm hoping it will encourage my grandkids- especially the girls to try such things. do not archive Raymond Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=325202#325202 ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 10:42:27 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Fwd: Where are you, Mike Glasgow? From: Timothy Willis Plain text this time ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Timothy Willis Subject: Where are you, Mike Glasgow? Mike Glasgow, where are you located? Please reply offline to my gmail addy: timwillis01@gmail.com. Let's correspond. I will try to help re your request. BTWI am located 30 miles north of Austin, TX. Tim in central TX do not archive ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 12:11:14 PM PST US From: Kenneth Howe Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: My new logo I love it! Ken On Jan 1, 2011, at 7:16 AM, Helspersew@aol.com wrote: > Happy New Year to you all you good people, (no four-flushers here) > > Here is my not-quite-finished logo I have been working on. This has been in the works for about a year in total. After I got this idea one night in a dream, I thought I surely had seen it before somewhere, and was just recalling it from what I had seen. So I Googled it and came up with nothing, so concluded that I had dreamt this up myself. I wanted a true period font, so I actually bought a used book of the 1929-era fonts from Amazon that was published in about 1930. You would have thought that I could find something in there that I liked, but no. So I did some searches of early air mail planes and found a photo from the Chicago Tribune photo archives from that era, of an air mail plane with some lettering on it. This was precisely what I was looking for. So at that point I hand-drew all the needed letters of the correct sizes, and cut them out with scissors. Then I laid those letters out on a piece of velum paper, and traced around them onto the velum. Then I took my trusty pounce wheel (as suggested on this list by Glenn Thomas, CT.) and "pounced" out all the letters and circle onto the velum. Then I taped the velum sheet onto my plane, and used a silver "magic marker" to transfer the logo onto the side of my fuze. I used "One Shot" brand paint to hand-paint onto the fuze. Now I will add some bird wings onto either side with yellow. > > Dan Helsper > Poplar Grove, IL. > > > ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 04:47:25 PM PST US From: shad bell Subject: Pietenpol-List: Amelia (the movie) While on the subject of moooooooo-vies, I watched Amelia the othe day, and low and behold Port Columbus Airport, was in a scene.- The old black and white original 1920's-30's news reels show a Ford Tri-motor from TAT- air line taking off with the old terminal building in the background (which is still there today).- Neat to see local history on the big screen, We used to taxi down by the old terminal every night to do take-off thrust assuran ce checks on the jets at work.- About the movie, They had some time perio d incorrect airplanes in the wrong decade.- They show Amelia flying a Buk er Jungman in the 1920's, and a few other out of wack timelines.- But all in all it's a good one to watch to get through the winter months, the raci ng scenes were from the Pietenpol era. - - Happy new year Shad Do not archive=0A=0A=0A ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 06:02:24 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Fwd: Where are you, Mike Glasgow? From: "kevinpurtee" He's in Atlanta, Tim. Get on my facebook. You can find him there. Happy New Year! Kevin do not archive -------- Kevin "Axel" Purtee NX899KP Austin/Georgetown, TX Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=325246#325246 ________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ Time: 06:07:22 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Build Log Survey From: "gtche98" I did a quick search in the forum and didn't see anything on this topic (at least recently), and I will quickly need to decide what I do for myself shortly, so I thought I would pose this question to all the experts out there: What method do you use to keep track of your build log? Is it a software or web based solution? Old fashioned 3 ring binder? How much did your solution cost you? Also, if your build log is accessible via the web, would you be willing to include a link in your response? Thanks again for your insight! Gary Wilson Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=325248#325248 ________________________________ Message 24 ____________________________________ Time: 06:23:44 PM PST US From: "Peter W Johnson" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Build Log Survey Gary, Mine was (still is) a web site log. I host it myself so no costs other than an internet connection etc. Link is http://www.cpc-world.com Cheers Peter Wonthaggi Australia -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of gtche98 Sent: Sunday, 2 January 2011 1:05 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Build Log Survey I did a quick search in the forum and didn't see anything on this topic (at least recently), and I will quickly need to decide what I do for myself shortly, so I thought I would pose this question to all the experts out there: What method do you use to keep track of your build log? Is it a software or web based solution? Old fashioned 3 ring binder? How much did your solution cost you? Also, if your build log is accessible via the web, would you be willing to include a link in your response? Thanks again for your insight! Gary Wilson Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=325248#325248 ________________________________ Message 25 ____________________________________ Time: 07:10:17 PM PST US From: "Greg Cardinal" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Build Log Survey Spiral bound notebook and a pencil. Greg Cardinal ----- Original Message ----- From: "gtche98" Sent: Saturday, January 01, 2011 8:05 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Build Log Survey > > I did a quick search in the forum and didn't see anything on this topic > (at least recently), and I will quickly need to decide what I do for > myself shortly, so I thought I would pose this question to all the experts > out there: > > What method do you use to keep track of your build log? Is it a software > or web based solution? Old fashioned 3 ring binder? How much did your > solution cost you? > > Also, if your build log is accessible via the web, would you be willing to > include a link in your response? > > Thanks again for your insight! > > Gary Wilson > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=325248#325248 > > > ________________________________ Message 26 ____________________________________ Time: 07:45:20 PM PST US From: airlion Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Fwd: Where are you, Mike Glasgow? Where in Atlanta Kevin? That is where I live although my piet is in Lagrange. Happy New Year, Gardiner Atlantatlanta Kevin ----- Original Message ---- From: kevinpurtee Sent: Sat, January 1, 2011 8:59:52 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Fwd: Where are you, Mike Glasgow? He's in Atlanta, Tim. Get on my facebook. You can find him there. Happy New Year! Kevin do not archive -------- Kevin "Axel" Purtee NX899KP Austin/Georgetown, TX Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=325246#325246 ________________________________ Message 27 ____________________________________ Time: 08:23:02 PM PST US From: "Clif Dawson" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Build Log Survey Two things for me- Pen and paper "diary" on a clipboard and my own website for pics, again in chronological order. http://www.clifdawson.ca/ Site cost me $9.50/mo. and there's a lot more than the Piet on it so it's not so I'm not sure how to relate the Piet's portion. It would probably be the same if it was only the Piet on it. Clif > What method do you use to keep track of your build log? Is it a software > or web based solution? Old fashioned 3 ring binder? 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To share your Files and Photos, simply email them to: pictures@matronics.com !! ==> Please including the following information with each submission: 1) Email Lists that they are related to. 2) Your Full Name. 3) Your Email Address. 4) One line Subject description. 5) Multi-line, multi-paragraph description of topic. 6-x) One-line Description of each photo or file Prior to public availability of the files and photos, each will be scanned for viruses. Please also note that the process of making the files and photos available on the web site is a pseudo-manual process, and I try to process them every few days. Following the availability of the new Photoshare, an email message will be sent to the Email Lists enumerated in 1) above indicating that the new Share is available and what the direct URL to it is. For a current list of available Photoshares, have a look at the Main Index Page: http://www.matronics.com/photoshare ************************** *** List Archive CDROM *** ************************** A complete Matronics Email List Archive CD is available that contains all of the archives since the beginning of each of the Lists. The archives for all of the Lists are included on the CD along with a freeware search engine written by a list member. The CD is burned the day you order it and will contain archive received up to the last minute. They make great gifts! http://www.matronics.com/ArchiveCDROM ********************************** *** List Support Contributions *** ********************************** The Matronics Lists are run *completely* through the support of it members. You won't find any PopUpAds, flashing Banner ads, or any other form of annoying commercialism on either the Email Messages or the List web pages associated with the Matronics Email Lists. 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Pietenpol-List Policy Statement The purpose of the Pietenpol-List is to provide a forum of discussion for things related to this particular discussion group. The List's goals are to serve as an information resource to its members; to deliver high-quality content; to provide moral support; to foster camaraderie among its members; and to support safe operation. Reaching these goals requires the participation and cooperation of each and every member of the List. To this end, the following guidelines have been established: - Please keep all posts related to the List at some level. Do not submit posts concerning computer viruses, urban legends, random humor, long lost buddies' phone numbers, etc. etc. - THINK carefully before you write. Ask yourself if your post will be relevant to everyone. If you have to wonder about that, DON'T send it. - Remember that your post will be included for posterity in an archive that is growing in size at an extraordinary rate. 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The impact that quoting the entire original post has on the size of the archive can not be overstated! - When the poster asks you to respond to him/her personally, DO NOT then go ahead and reply to the List. Be aware that clicking the "reply" button on your mail package does not necessarily send your response to the original poster. You might have to actively address your response with the original poster's email address. - DO NOT use the List to respond to a post unless you have something to add that is relevant and has a broad appeal. "Way to go!", "I agree", and "Congratulations" are all responses that are better sent to the original poster directly, rather than to the List at large. - When responding to others' posts, avoid the feeling that you need to comment on every last point in their posts, unless you can truly contribute something valuable. - Feel free to disagree with other viewpoints, BUT keep your tone polite and respectful. Don't make snide comments, personally attack other listers, or take the moral high ground on an obviously controversial issue. This will only cause a pointless debate that will hurt feelings, waste bandwidth and resolve nothing. - Occasional posts by vendors or individuals who are regularly subscribed to a given List are considered acceptable. Posts by List members promoting their respective products or items for sale should be of a friendly, informal nature, and should not resemble a typical SPAM message. The List isn't about commercialism, but is about sharing information and knowledge. This applies to everyone, including those who provide products to the entire community. Informal presentation and moderation should be the operatives with respect to advertising on the Lists. ------- [This is an automated posting.] do not archive ________________________________ Message 29 ____________________________________ Time: 11:04:40 PM PST US From: Matt Dralle Subject: Pietenpol-List: Official Pietenpol-List Usage Guidelines Dear Listers, Please read over the Pietenpol-List Usage Guidelines below. The complete Pietenpol-List FAQ including these Usage Guidelines can be found at the following URL: http://www.matronics.com/FAQs/Pietenpol-List.FAQ.html Thank you, Matt Dralle Matronics Email List Administrator ****************************************************************************** Pietenpol-List Usage Guidelines ****************************************************************************** The following details the official Usage Guidelines for the Pietenpol-List. You are encouraged to read it carefully, and to abide by the rules therein. Failure to use the Pietenpol-List in the manner described below may result in the removal of the subscribers from the List. Pietenpol-List Policy Statement The purpose of the Pietenpol-List is to provide a forum of discussion for things related to this particular discussion group. The List's goals are to serve as an information resource to its members; to deliver high-quality content; to provide moral support; to foster camaraderie among its members; and to support safe operation. Reaching these goals requires the participation and cooperation of each and every member of the List. To this end, the following guidelines have been established: - Please keep all posts related to the List at some level. Do not submit posts concerning computer viruses, urban legends, random humor, long lost buddies' phone numbers, etc. etc. - THINK carefully before you write. Ask yourself if your post will be relevant to everyone. If you have to wonder about that, DON'T send it. - Remember that your post will be included for posterity in an archive that is growing in size at an extraordinary rate. Try to be concise and terse in your posts. Avoid overly wordy and lengthy posts and responses. - Keep your signature brief. Please include your name, email address, aircraft type/tail number, and geographic location. A short line about where you are in the building process is also nice. Avoid bulky signatures with character graphics; they consume unnecessary space in the archive. - DON'T post requests to the List for information when that info is easily obtainable from other widely available sources. Consult the web page or FAQ first. - If you want to respond to a post, DO keep the "Subject:" line of your response the same as that of the original post. This makes it easy to find threads in the archive. - When responding, NEVER quote the *entire* original post in your response. DO use lines from the original post to help "tune in" the reader to the topic at hand, but be selective. The impact that quoting the entire original post has on the size of the archive can not be overstated! - When the poster asks you to respond to him/her personally, DO NOT then go ahead and reply to the List. Be aware that clicking the "reply" button on your mail package does not necessarily send your response to the original poster. You might have to actively address your response with the original poster's email address. - DO NOT use the List to respond to a post unless you have something to add that is relevant and has a broad appeal. "Way to go!", "I agree", and "Congratulations" are all responses that are better sent to the original poster directly, rather than to the List at large. - When responding to others' posts, avoid the feeling that you need to comment on every last point in their posts, unless you can truly contribute something valuable. - Feel free to disagree with other viewpoints, BUT keep your tone polite and respectful. Don't make snide comments, personally attack other listers, or take the moral high ground on an obviously controversial issue. This will only cause a pointless debate that will hurt feelings, waste bandwidth and resolve nothing. - Occasional posts by vendors or individuals who are regularly subscribed to a given List are considered acceptable. Posts by List members promoting their respective products or items for sale should be of a friendly, informal nature, and should not resemble a typical SPAM message. 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