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| Subject: | Re: Aileron Hinge |
Jack, OK on the screws. A couple more questions, if you don't mind. 1)
What kind of captive nuts did you use on the back side of the aileron spars,
2) What is the width of the hinges in the open position, 3) Is the top of
the hinge even with the top of the top rib cap or even with the top of the
aileron spars -- I can't tell from the pictures. Looks like your method is
the way to go. You do pretty work, by the way. Wish mine was as good. I
guess I just don't take enough time and pains -- never did have any lessons
in wood working and it shows.
Chuck
Do not archive
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jack" <jack@textors.com>
Sent: Saturday, January 01, 2011 9:52 AM
Subject: RE: Re: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Aileron Hinge
>
> MS24694's can't recall the length. When I do cover the hinges will be
> removed. Aileron can be separated from the wing by removing the pin.
> Jack
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Charles
> Campbell
> Sent: Saturday, January 01, 2011 8:13 AM
> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Aileron Hinge
>
> <cncampbell@windstream.net>
>
> Jack, just wonder what kind of screws/nuts you used to fasten the piano
> hinge to the wood spars. do you just pull out the hinge pin to seperate
> the
>
> aileron from the wing or do you unscrew the hinge, cover everything, and
> then replace the hinge?
>
> Chuck
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Jack" <jack@textors.com>
> To: <pietenpol-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Saturday, January 01, 2011 6:46 AM
> Subject: RE: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Aileron Hinge
>
>
>>
>> Charles,
>> Not sure but this just worked for me
>> http://westcoastpiet.com/images/Jack%20Textor/wing.htm
>> Jack
>> DSM
>> do not archive
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
>> [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Charles
>> Campbell
>> Sent: Saturday, January 01, 2011 4:24 AM
>> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
>> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Aileron Hinge
>>
>> <cncampbell@windstream.net>
>>
>> Chris, apparently the links you sent last night are bad. My computer
>> comes
>> up with "Page not found" on all three links. Sure you sent the correct
>> links or is my computer screwwy? Chuck
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Chris" <catdesigns@att.net>
>> To: <pietenpol-list@matronics.com>
>> Sent: Friday, December 31, 2010 9:46 PM
>> Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Aileron Hinge
>>
>>
>>>
>>> Adrian
>>>
>>> Jack Textor sent some good pictures of his full span aileron hinges
>>> Jack's web page is
>>> http://www.textors.com/PietProject.htm
>>> Look for the hinge pictures near the bottom.
>>>
>>> Here are a couple of them from my web page but I think they are
>>> duplicates
>>> of his page.
>>>
>>
> http://westcoastpiet.com/images/Jack%20Textor/images/9-25-08_006_800x600.jpg
>>>
>>
> http://westcoastpiet.com/images/Jack%20Textor/images/Ailerons_003_800x600.jp
>>> g
>>>
>>> Poke around his picture page on my website and you can see pictures of
>>> how
>>> he instilled them.
>>> http://westcoastpiet.com/images/Jack%20Textor/wing.htm
>>>
>>> I also did the full span hinges but haven uploaded the pictures to the
>>> website yet.
>>>
>>> Chris
>>> Sacramento, Ca
>>> Westcoastpiet.com
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
>>> [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of pineymb
>>> Sent: Friday, December 31, 2010 10:38 AM
>>> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
>>> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Aileron Hinge
>>>
>>>
>>> Jack
>>>
>>> Went into the shop this morning and took a few pictures which hopefully
>>> show
>>> enough detail of the aileron hinge setup. As you can see there is
>>> serious
>>> overkill in the size of the hinges as well as the poor alignment due to
>>> the
>>> welding of the loops. I stopped by a local hardware store and picked up
>>> various strap hinges to use as samples. The plans call for a 3" light
>>> strap
>>> which I perceive to be the length of one halve and the width being 1.25"
>>> as
>>> opposed to the 2.5" wide heavy duty hinge as shown in the pictures.
>>>
>>> Certainly like the idea of a continuous hinge which as you mentioned
>>> would
>>> involve adding two layers of 1/8" ply to the aileron beams. In your
>>> opinion
>>> would the width of shim be same as the hinge or the full width of the
>>> beam
>>> to have a flat surface for the fabric finish?
>>>
>>> Haven't had any luck finding pictures of you setup so if have any and
>>> would
>>> like to share them it would be greatly appreciated. You could forward
>>> them
>>> offline if you prefer.
>>>
>>> --------
>>> Adrian M
>>> Winnipeg, MB
>>> Canada
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Read this topic online here:
>>>
>>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=325114#325114
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| Subject: | Re: Aileron Hinge |
I don't have photos of mine=2C and I know I did mine somewhat differently f
rom Jack=2C but here is what I have. I am using piano hinges that can be p
ut on after the wing and aileron are covered. In order to make sure that t
here is adequate room on the back of the spar for proper edge distance (bec
ause the top of the aileron spar is beveled) I used piano hinges that are 3
" wide when open. The holes have to be around 3/4" down from the top to ha
ve enough edge distance. I bought them from McMaster Carr=2C and you can b
uy any width from them=2C but 3" worked. A 6' piece is around $15-18. I m
ade the hinge even with the top of the wing=2C with nothing standing proud
in the airstream. (I have a couple of pairs of other widths that I would se
ll - my mistakes - if anyone is interested)
I made the attachment screws spaced around 6" (some even number thaty did n
ot land on any rib) there are 10 screws per hinge (10 on the wing=2C 10 on
the aileron-OFFSET so that the heads do not touch!) I used 10-32 Tee nuts
=2C and I squeezed them in with a c-clamp. I put a dab of T-88 on them to
help hold them in=2C but at the last second=2C I added a small scrap of thi
n plywood=2C maybe 1/2" by 1-1/2" across each one with glue and a single na
il on each side to make absolutely sure that when I put the screw in it wil
l not push the Tee nut out the back. (and there is a hole in the middle for
the screw to go through without touching) Of course=2C they are not self-
locking=2C but the screws are a little extra long=2C so if they back out it
will be obvious without any chance of actually coming out. The chance of
ALL 10 screws backing out enough that something falls off before I notice i
t is . . . well . . . it ain't gonna happen. When I put the trailing edges
on the aileron=2C I made the aileron trailing edge about 1/8 to 3/16 shy o
f the wing. I expect the layers of fabric and tapes that will be under the
piano hinge will make up the difference and they should align.
There has been so much discussion=2C I thought I'd throw this out. I don't
expect mine is any different from most (except Jack).
Gene Rambo
warm enough to get about 3 more ribs stitched yesterday
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| Subject: | Re: Aileron Hinge |
Some pics of my full length piano hinge with blind nuts on he back of the
spar.
On Sun, Jan 2, 2011 at 7:31 AM, Charles Campbell
<cncampbell@windstream.net>wrote:
> cncampbell@windstream.net>
>
> Jack, OK on the screws. A couple more questions, if you don't mind. 1)
> What kind of captive nuts did you use on the back side of the aileron spars,
> 2) What is the width of the hinges in the open position, 3) Is the top of
> the hinge even with the top of the top rib cap or even with the top of the
> aileron spars -- I can't tell from the pictures. Looks like your method is
> the way to go. You do pretty work, by the way. Wish mine was as good. I
> guess I just don't take enough time and pains -- never did have any lessons
> in wood working and it shows.
>
> Chuck
> Do not archive
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jack" <jack@textors.com>
> To: <pietenpol-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Saturday, January 01, 2011 9:52 AM
> Subject: RE: Re: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Aileron Hinge
>
>
>>
>> MS24694's can't recall the length. When I do cover the hinges will be
>> removed. Aileron can be separated from the wing by removing the pin.
>> Jack
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
>> [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Charles
>> Campbell
>> Sent: Saturday, January 01, 2011 8:13 AM
>> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
>> Subject: Re: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Aileron Hinge
>>
>> <cncampbell@windstream.net>
>>
>> Jack, just wonder what kind of screws/nuts you used to fasten the piano
>> hinge to the wood spars. do you just pull out the hinge pin to seperate
>> the
>>
>> aileron from the wing or do you unscrew the hinge, cover everything, and
>> then replace the hinge?
>>
>> Chuck
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jack" <jack@textors.com>
>> To: <pietenpol-list@matronics.com>
>> Sent: Saturday, January 01, 2011 6:46 AM
>> Subject: RE: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Aileron Hinge
>>
>>
>>>
>>> Charles,
>>> Not sure but this just worked for me
>>> http://westcoastpiet.com/images/Jack%20Textor/wing.htm
>>> Jack
>>> DSM
>>> do not archive
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
>>> [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Charles
>>> Campbell
>>> Sent: Saturday, January 01, 2011 4:24 AM
>>> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
>>> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Aileron Hinge
>>>
>>> <cncampbell@windstream.net>
>>>
>>> Chris, apparently the links you sent last night are bad. My computer
>>> comes
>>> up with "Page not found" on all three links. Sure you sent the correct
>>> links or is my computer screwwy? Chuck
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris" <catdesigns@att.net>
>>> To: <pietenpol-list@matronics.com>
>>> Sent: Friday, December 31, 2010 9:46 PM
>>> Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Aileron Hinge
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Adrian
>>>>
>>>> Jack Textor sent some good pictures of his full span aileron hinges
>>>> Jack's web page is
>>>> http://www.textors.com/PietProject.htm
>>>> Look for the hinge pictures near the bottom.
>>>>
>>>> Here are a couple of them from my web page but I think they are
>>>> duplicates
>>>> of his page.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>> http://westcoastpiet.com/images/Jack%20Textor/images/9-25-08_006_800x600.jpg
>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>> http://westcoastpiet.com/images/Jack%20Textor/images/Ailerons_003_800x600.jp
>>
>>> g
>>>>
>>>> Poke around his picture page on my website and you can see pictures of
>>>> how
>>>> he instilled them.
>>>> http://westcoastpiet.com/images/Jack%20Textor/wing.htm
>>>>
>>>> I also did the full span hinges but haven uploaded the pictures to the
>>>> website yet.
>>>>
>>>> Chris
>>>> Sacramento, Ca
>>>> Westcoastpiet.com
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
>>>> [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of pineymb
>>>> Sent: Friday, December 31, 2010 10:38 AM
>>>> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
>>>> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Aileron Hinge
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Jack
>>>>
>>>> Went into the shop this morning and took a few pictures which hopefully
>>>> show
>>>> enough detail of the aileron hinge setup. As you can see there is
>>>> serious
>>>> overkill in the size of the hinges as well as the poor alignment due to
>>>> the
>>>> welding of the loops. I stopped by a local hardware store and picked up
>>>> various strap hinges to use as samples. The plans call for a 3" light
>>>> strap
>>>> which I perceive to be the length of one halve and the width being 1.25"
>>>> as
>>>> opposed to the 2.5" wide heavy duty hinge as shown in the pictures.
>>>>
>>>> Certainly like the idea of a continuous hinge which as you mentioned
>>>> would
>>>> involve adding two layers of 1/8" ply to the aileron beams. In your
>>>> opinion
>>>> would the width of shim be same as the hinge or the full width of the
>>>> beam
>>>> to have a flat surface for the fabric finish?
>>>>
>>>> Haven't had any luck finding pictures of you setup so if have any and
>>>> would
>>>> like to share them it would be greatly appreciated. You could forward
>>>> them
>>>> offline if you prefer.
>>>>
>>>> --------
>>>> Adrian M
>>>> Winnipeg, MB
>>>> Canada
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Read this topic online here:
>>>>
>>>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=325114#325114
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Attachments:
>>>>
>>>> http://forums.matronics.com//files/dsc00364_978.jpg
>>>> http://forums.matronics.com//files/dsc00362_197.jpg
>>>> http://forums.matronics.com//files/dsc00359_105.jpg
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Rick Holland
Castle Rock, Colorado
"Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers, that smell bad"
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| Subject: | Re: Aileron Hinge |
Thanks, Rick. Are the anchor nuts attached with wood screws or bolts
with nuts on the other end?
----- Original Message -----
From: Rick Holland
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, January 02, 2011 12:17 PM
Subject: Re: Re: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Aileron Hinge
Some pics of my full length piano hinge with blind nuts on he back of
the spar.
On Sun, Jan 2, 2011 at 7:31 AM, Charles Campbell
<cncampbell@windstream.net> wrote:
<cncampbell@windstream.net>
Jack, OK on the screws. A couple more questions, if you don't mind.
1) What kind of captive nuts did you use on the back side of the
aileron spars, 2) What is the width of the hinges in the open position,
3) Is the top of the hinge even with the top of the top rib cap or even
with the top of the aileron spars -- I can't tell from the pictures.
Looks like your method is the way to go. You do pretty work, by the
way. Wish mine was as good. I guess I just don't take enough time and
pains -- never did have any lessons in wood working and it shows.
Chuck
Do not archive
----- Original Message ----- From: "Jack" <jack@textors.com>
To: <pietenpol-list@matronics.com>
Sent: Saturday, January 01, 2011 9:52 AM
Subject: RE: Re: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Aileron Hinge
MS24694's can't recall the length. When I do cover the hinges
will be
removed. Aileron can be separated from the wing by removing the
pin.
Jack
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
Charles
Campbell
Sent: Saturday, January 01, 2011 8:13 AM
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Subject: Re: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Aileron Hinge
<cncampbell@windstream.net>
Jack, just wonder what kind of screws/nuts you used to fasten the
piano
hinge to the wood spars. do you just pull out the hinge pin to
seperate the
aileron from the wing or do you unscrew the hinge, cover
everything, and
then replace the hinge?
Chuck
----- Original Message ----- From: "Jack" <jack@textors.com>
To: <pietenpol-list@matronics.com>
Sent: Saturday, January 01, 2011 6:46 AM
Subject: RE: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Aileron Hinge
Charles,
Not sure but this just worked for me
http://westcoastpiet.com/images/Jack%20Textor/wing.htm
Jack
DSM
do not archive
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
Charles
Campbell
Sent: Saturday, January 01, 2011 4:24 AM
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Aileron Hinge
<cncampbell@windstream.net>
Chris, apparently the links you sent last night are bad. My
computer
comes
up with "Page not found" on all three links. Sure you sent the
correct
links or is my computer screwwy? Chuck
----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris" <catdesigns@att.net>
To: <pietenpol-list@matronics.com>
Sent: Friday, December 31, 2010 9:46 PM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Aileron Hinge
<catdesigns@att.net>
Adrian
Jack Textor sent some good pictures of his full span aileron
hinges
Jack's web page is
http://www.textors.com/PietProject.htm
Look for the hinge pictures near the bottom.
Here are a couple of them from my web page but I think they
are
duplicates
of his page.
http://westcoastpiet.com/images/Jack%20Textor/images/9-25-08_006_800x600.
jpg
http://westcoastpiet.com/images/Jack%20Textor/images/Ailerons_003_800x600
.jp
g
Poke around his picture page on my website and you can see
pictures of
how
he instilled them.
http://westcoastpiet.com/images/Jack%20Textor/wing.htm
I also did the full span hinges but haven uploaded the
pictures to the
website yet.
Chris
Sacramento, Ca
Westcoastpiet.com
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf
Of pineymb
Sent: Friday, December 31, 2010 10:38 AM
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Aileron Hinge
<airltd@mts.net>
Jack
Went into the shop this morning and took a few pictures which
hopefully
show
enough detail of the aileron hinge setup. As you can see there
is serious
overkill in the size of the hinges as well as the poor
alignment due to
the
welding of the loops. I stopped by a local hardware store and
picked up
various strap hinges to use as samples. The plans call for a
3" light
strap
which I perceive to be the length of one halve and the width
being 1.25"
as
opposed to the 2.5" wide heavy duty hinge as shown in the
pictures.
Certainly like the idea of a continuous hinge which as you
mentioned
would
involve adding two layers of 1/8" ply to the aileron beams. In
your
opinion
would the width of shim be same as the hinge or the full width
of the
beam
to have a flat surface for the fabric finish?
Haven't had any luck finding pictures of you setup so if have
any and
would
like to share them it would be greatly appreciated. You could
forward
them
offline if you prefer.
--------
Adrian M
Winnipeg, MB
Canada
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| Subject: | Re: Aileron Hinge |
Charles,
Gene has some excellent ideas. My hinges were 1" per side, 2" open. The
hinges are even with the top of the cap strips. I wanted to attach them as
close to the top as possible. You will have to put cap strip material on
the top of the aileron spar between the ribs. I would suggest using a piece
wide enough to match up with the back of the aileron spar, not as I did. As
you can see from the attached picture I had to add a beveled piece behind
the cap material. I used some nut plates I had laying around and t-nuts
when I ran out of the plates.
Jack
DSM
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Charles
Campbell
Sent: Sunday, January 02, 2011 8:32 AM
Subject: Re: Re: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Aileron Hinge
<cncampbell@windstream.net>
Jack, OK on the screws. A couple more questions, if you don't mind. 1)
What kind of captive nuts did you use on the back side of the aileron spars,
2) What is the width of the hinges in the open position, 3) Is the top of
the hinge even with the top of the top rib cap or even with the top of the
aileron spars -- I can't tell from the pictures. Looks like your method is
the way to go. You do pretty work, by the way. Wish mine was as good. I
guess I just don't take enough time and pains -- never did have any lessons
in wood working and it shows.
Chuck
Do not archive
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jack" <jack@textors.com>
Sent: Saturday, January 01, 2011 9:52 AM
Subject: RE: Re: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Aileron Hinge
>
> MS24694's can't recall the length. When I do cover the hinges will be
> removed. Aileron can be separated from the wing by removing the pin.
> Jack
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Charles
> Campbell
> Sent: Saturday, January 01, 2011 8:13 AM
> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Aileron Hinge
>
> <cncampbell@windstream.net>
>
> Jack, just wonder what kind of screws/nuts you used to fasten the piano
> hinge to the wood spars. do you just pull out the hinge pin to seperate
> the
>
> aileron from the wing or do you unscrew the hinge, cover everything, and
> then replace the hinge?
>
> Chuck
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Jack" <jack@textors.com>
> To: <pietenpol-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Saturday, January 01, 2011 6:46 AM
> Subject: RE: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Aileron Hinge
>
>
>>
>> Charles,
>> Not sure but this just worked for me
>> http://westcoastpiet.com/images/Jack%20Textor/wing.htm
>> Jack
>> DSM
>> do not archive
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
>> [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Charles
>> Campbell
>> Sent: Saturday, January 01, 2011 4:24 AM
>> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
>> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Aileron Hinge
>>
>> <cncampbell@windstream.net>
>>
>> Chris, apparently the links you sent last night are bad. My computer
>> comes
>> up with "Page not found" on all three links. Sure you sent the correct
>> links or is my computer screwwy? Chuck
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Chris" <catdesigns@att.net>
>> To: <pietenpol-list@matronics.com>
>> Sent: Friday, December 31, 2010 9:46 PM
>> Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Aileron Hinge
>>
>>
>>>
>>> Adrian
>>>
>>> Jack Textor sent some good pictures of his full span aileron hinges
>>> Jack's web page is
>>> http://www.textors.com/PietProject.htm
>>> Look for the hinge pictures near the bottom.
>>>
>>> Here are a couple of them from my web page but I think they are
>>> duplicates
>>> of his page.
>>>
>>
>
http://westcoastpiet.com/images/Jack%20Textor/images/9-25-08_006_800x600.jpg
>>>
>>
>
http://westcoastpiet.com/images/Jack%20Textor/images/Ailerons_003_800x600.jp
>>> g
>>>
>>> Poke around his picture page on my website and you can see pictures of
>>> how
>>> he instilled them.
>>> http://westcoastpiet.com/images/Jack%20Textor/wing.htm
>>>
>>> I also did the full span hinges but haven uploaded the pictures to the
>>> website yet.
>>>
>>> Chris
>>> Sacramento, Ca
>>> Westcoastpiet.com
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
>>> [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of pineymb
>>> Sent: Friday, December 31, 2010 10:38 AM
>>> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
>>> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Aileron Hinge
>>>
>>>
>>> Jack
>>>
>>> Went into the shop this morning and took a few pictures which hopefully
>>> show
>>> enough detail of the aileron hinge setup. As you can see there is
>>> serious
>>> overkill in the size of the hinges as well as the poor alignment due to
>>> the
>>> welding of the loops. I stopped by a local hardware store and picked up
>>> various strap hinges to use as samples. The plans call for a 3" light
>>> strap
>>> which I perceive to be the length of one halve and the width being 1.25"
>>> as
>>> opposed to the 2.5" wide heavy duty hinge as shown in the pictures.
>>>
>>> Certainly like the idea of a continuous hinge which as you mentioned
>>> would
>>> involve adding two layers of 1/8" ply to the aileron beams. In your
>>> opinion
>>> would the width of shim be same as the hinge or the full width of the
>>> beam
>>> to have a flat surface for the fabric finish?
>>>
>>> Haven't had any luck finding pictures of you setup so if have any and
>>> would
>>> like to share them it would be greatly appreciated. You could forward
>>> them
>>> offline if you prefer.
>>>
>>> --------
>>> Adrian M
>>> Winnipeg, MB
>>> Canada
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Read this topic online here:
>>>
>>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=325114#325114
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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>>>
>>> http://forums.matronics.com//files/dsc00364_978.jpg
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>>> http://forums.matronics.com//files/dsc00359_105.jpg
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
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To which Jack are you referring, Gene? Me or Jack Textor? I did mine
pretty much as you have described, except I used multiple short pieces of
hinge (which I have already said I would NOT do again) and I used nutplates
in the inside of the spars rather than T-nuts.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP "Icarus Plummet"
Raleigh, NC
_____
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gene Rambo
Sent: Sunday, January 02, 2011 11:00 AM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Aileron Hinge
I don't have photos of mine, and I know I did mine somewhat differently from
Jack, but here is what I have. I am using piano hinges that can be put on
after the wing and aileron are covered. In order to make sure that there is
adequate room on the back of the spar for proper edge distance (because the
top of the aileron spar is beveled) I used piano hinges that are 3" wide
when open. The holes have to be around 3/4" down from the top to have
enough edge distance. I bought them from McMaster Carr, and you can buy any
width from them, but 3" worked. A 6' piece is around $15-18. I made the
hinge even with the top of the wing, with nothing standing proud in the
airstream. (I have a couple of pairs of other widths that I would sell - my
mistakes - if anyone is interested)
I made the attachment screws spaced around 6" (some even number thaty did
not land on any rib) there are 10 screws per hinge (10 on the wing, 10 on
the aileron-OFFSET so that the heads do not touch!) I used 10-32 Tee nuts,
and I squeezed them in with a c-clamp. I put a dab of T-88 on them to help
hold them in, but at the last second, I added a small scrap of thin plywood,
maybe 1/2" by 1-1/2" across each one with glue and a single nail on each
side to make absolutely sure that when I put the screw in it will not push
the Tee nut out the back. (and there is a hole in the middle for the screw
to go through without touching) Of course, they are not self-locking, but
the screws are a little extra long, so if they back out it will be obvious
without any chance of actually coming out. The chance of ALL 10 screws
backing out enough that something falls off before I notice it is . . . well
. . . it ain't gonna happen. When I put the trailing edges on the aileron,
I made the aileron trailing edge about 1/8 to 3/16 shy of the wing. I
expect the layers of fabric and tapes that will be under the piano hinge
will make up the difference and they should align.
There has been so much discussion, I thought I'd throw this out. I don't
expect mine is any different from most (except Jack).
Gene Rambo
warm enough to get about 3 more ribs stitched yesterday
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well=2C those are differences aren't they????
Gene
From: pietflyr@bellsouth.net
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Aileron Hinge
To which Jack are you referring=2C Gene? Me or Jack Textor? I did mine pr
etty much as you have described=2C except I used multiple short pieces of h
inge (which I have already said I would NOT do again) and I used nutplates
in the inside of the spars rather than T-nuts.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP =93Icarus Plummet=94
Raleigh=2C NC
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-lis
t-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gene Rambo
Sent: Sunday=2C January 02=2C 2011 11:00 AM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Aileron Hinge
I don't have photos of mine=2C and I know I did mine somewhat differently f
rom Jack=2C but here is what I have. I am using piano hinges that can be p
ut on after the wing and aileron are covered. In order to make sure that t
here is adequate room on the back of the spar for proper edge distance (bec
ause the top of the aileron spar is beveled) I used piano hinges that are 3
" wide when open. The holes have to be around 3/4" down from the top to ha
ve enough edge distance. I bought them from McMaster Carr=2C and you can b
uy any width from them=2C but 3" worked. A 6' piece is around $15-18. I m
ade the hinge even with the top of the wing=2C with nothing standing proud
in the airstream. (I have a couple of pairs of other widths that I would se
ll - my mistakes - if anyone is interested)
I made the attachment screws spaced around 6" (some even number thaty did n
ot land on any rib) there are 10 screws per hinge (10 on the wing=2C 10 on
the aileron-OFFSET so that the heads do not touch!) I used 10-32 Tee nuts
=2C and I squeezed them in with a c-clamp. I put a dab of T-88 on them to
help hold them in=2C but at the last second=2C I added a small scrap of thi
n plywood=2C maybe 1/2" by 1-1/2" across each one with glue and a single na
il on each side to make absolutely sure that when I put the screw in it wil
l not push the Tee nut out the back. (and there is a hole in the middle for
the screw to go through without touching) Of course=2C they are not self-
locking=2C but the screws are a little extra long=2C so if they back out it
will be obvious without any chance of actually coming out. The chance of
ALL 10 screws backing out enough that something falls off before I notice i
t is . . . well . . . it ain't gonna happen. When I put the trailing edges
on the aileron=2C I made the aileron trailing edge about 1/8 to 3/16 shy o
f the wing. I expect the layers of fabric and tapes that will be under the
piano hinge will make up the difference and they should align.
There has been so much discussion=2C I thought I'd throw this out. I don't
expect mine is any different from most (except Jack).
Gene Rambo
warm enough to get about 3 more ribs stitched yesterday http://www.matroni
cs.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-Listhttp://forums.matronics.comhttp://www.matron
ics.com/contribution
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Gene, what widths are they and how much do you want for a couple of
6-foot pairs?
Chuck
----- Original Message -----
From: Gene Rambo
To: pietenpol-list
Sent: Sunday, January 02, 2011 1:28 PM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Aileron Hinge
well, those are differences aren't they????
Gene
-------------------------------------------------------------------------
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From: pietflyr@bellsouth.net
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Aileron Hinge
Date: Sun, 2 Jan 2011 13:10:07 -0500
To which Jack are you referring, Gene? Me or Jack Textor? I did mine
pretty much as you have described, except I used multiple short pieces
of hinge (which I have already said I would NOT do again) and I used
nutplates in the inside of the spars rather than T-nuts.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP =93Icarus Plummet=94
Raleigh, NC
-------------------------------------------------------------------------
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gene
Rambo
Sent: Sunday, January 02, 2011 11:00 AM
To: pietenpol-list
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Aileron Hinge
I don't have photos of mine, and I know I did mine somewhat
differently from Jack, but here is what I have. I am using piano hinges
that can be put on after the wing and aileron are covered. In order to
make sure that there is adequate room on the back of the spar for proper
edge distance (because the top of the aileron spar is beveled) I used
piano hinges that are 3" wide when open. The holes have to be around
3/4" down from the top to have enough edge distance. I bought them from
McMaster Carr, and you can buy any width from them, but 3" worked. A 6'
piece is around $15-18. I made the hinge even with the top of the wing,
with nothing standing proud in the airstream. (I have a couple of pairs
of other widths that I would sell - my mistakes - if anyone is
interested)
I made the attachment screws spaced around 6" (some even number thaty
did not land on any rib) there are 10 screws per hinge (10 on the wing,
10 on the aileron-OFFSET so that the heads do not touch!) I used 10-32
Tee nuts, and I squeezed them in with a c-clamp. I put a dab of T-88 on
them to help hold them in, but at the last second, I added a small scrap
of thin plywood, maybe 1/2" by 1-1/2" across each one with glue and a
single nail on each side to make absolutely sure that when I put the
screw in it will not push the Tee nut out the back. (and there is a hole
in the middle for the screw to go through without touching) Of course,
they are not self-locking, but the screws are a little extra long, so if
they back out it will be obvious without any chance of actually coming
out. The chance of ALL 10 screws backing out enough that something
falls off before I notice it is . . . well . . . it ain't gonna happen.
When I put the trailing edges on the aileron, I made the aileron
trailing edge about 1/8 to 3/16 shy of the wing. I expect the layers of
fabric and tapes that will be under the piano hinge will make up the
difference and they should align.
There has been so much discussion, I thought I'd throw this out. I
don't expect mine is any different from most (except Jack).
Gene Rambo
warm enough to get about 3 more ribs stitched yesterday
http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-Listhttp://forums.matronics.
comhttp://www.matronics.com/contribution
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Love the logo, Dan! Can't wait to see the finished product!
How's your engine coming along?
--------
Billy McCaskill
Urbana, IL
tail section almost done, starting on ribs soon
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| Subject: | Re: Build Log Survey |
Spiral notebook and a pencil for me. Taking lots of photos too, but generally
not posting them anywhere on the web at this point.
--------
Billy McCaskill
Urbana, IL
tail section almost done, starting on ribs soon
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| Subject: | Got My Fuselage Started |
I'm really excited now. Spent last week at my grandpa's (Captain) hangar and started
building the fuselage. OK, it's just the mock-up fuselage, but we are
building it to specifications with the correct size longerons and braces. That
way I'll get more practice fitting the joints and discovering any problems before
we do the real thing. Here are a couple of pictures.
--------
Tucker
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| Subject: | Re: Build Log Survey |
Binder, Pencil, Digital Photos. Not accessible on the web.
--------
Jon Coxwell
GN-1 Builder
Recycle and preserve the planet
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| Subject: | Re: Got My Fuselage Started |
Makes me want to start all over again on my fuse.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Tucker" <Tucker@tuckerrice.net>
Sent: Sunday, January 02, 2011 4:16 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Got My Fuselage Started
>
> I'm really excited now. Spent last week at my grandpa's (Captain) hangar
> and started building the fuselage. OK, it's just the mock-up fuselage,
> but we are building it to specifications with the correct size longerons
> and braces. That way I'll get more practice fitting the joints and
> discovering any problems before we do the real thing. Here are a couple
> of pictures.
>
> --------
> Tucker
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=325331#325331
>
>
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>
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| Subject: | Re: Got My Fuselage Started |
Tucker-
Very exciting! Thanks for keeping us updated.
-Jeff
On Sun, Jan 2, 2011 at 4:16 PM, Tucker <Tucker@tuckerrice.net> wrote:
>
> I'm really excited now. Spent last week at my grandpa's (Captain) hangar
> and started building the fuselage. OK, it's just the mock-up fuselage, but
> we are building it to specifications with the correct size longerons and
> braces. That way I'll get more practice fitting the joints and discovering
> any problems before we do the real thing. Here are a couple of pictures.
>
> --------
> Tucker
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=325331#325331
>
>
> Attachments:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com//files/img_0011_158.jpg
> http://forums.matronics.com//files/img_0007_199.jpg
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> http://forums.matronics.com//files/img_0009_122.jpg
>
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| Subject: | Re: Aileron Hinge |
Blind nuts are attached with tiny wood screws from Home Depot (maybe #4)
with a bit of epoxy on the threads before screwing them in (as recommended
by Mike C.)
rick
On Sun, Jan 2, 2011 at 10:48 AM, Charles Campbell <cncampbell@windstream.net
> wrote:
> Thanks, Rick. Are the anchor nuts attached with wood screws or bolts with
> nuts on the other end?
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> *From:* Rick Holland <at7000ft@gmail.com>
> *To:* pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> *Sent:* Sunday, January 02, 2011 12:17 PM
> *Subject:* Re: Re: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Aileron Hinge
>
> Some pics of my full length piano hinge with blind nuts on he back of the
> spar.
>
>
> On Sun, Jan 2, 2011 at 7:31 AM, Charles Campbell <
> cncampbell@windstream.net> wrote:
>
>> cncampbell@windstream.net>
>>
>> Jack, OK on the screws. A couple more questions, if you don't mind. 1)
>> What kind of captive nuts did you use on the back side of the aileron spars,
>> 2) What is the width of the hinges in the open position, 3) Is the top of
>> the hinge even with the top of the top rib cap or even with the top of the
>> aileron spars -- I can't tell from the pictures. Looks like your method is
>> the way to go. You do pretty work, by the way. Wish mine was as good. I
>> guess I just don't take enough time and pains -- never did have any lessons
>> in wood working and it shows.
>>
>> Chuck
>> Do not archive
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jack" <jack@textors.com>
>> To: <pietenpol-list@matronics.com>
>> Sent: Saturday, January 01, 2011 9:52 AM
>> Subject: RE: Re: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Aileron Hinge
>>
>>
>>>
>>> MS24694's can't recall the length. When I do cover the hinges will be
>>> removed. Aileron can be separated from the wing by removing the pin.
>>> Jack
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
>>> [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Charles
>>> Campbell
>>> Sent: Saturday, January 01, 2011 8:13 AM
>>> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
>>> Subject: Re: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Aileron Hinge
>>>
>>> <cncampbell@windstream.net>
>>>
>>> Jack, just wonder what kind of screws/nuts you used to fasten the piano
>>> hinge to the wood spars. do you just pull out the hinge pin to seperate
>>> the
>>>
>>> aileron from the wing or do you unscrew the hinge, cover everything, and
>>> then replace the hinge?
>>>
>>> Chuck
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jack" <jack@textors.com>
>>> To: <pietenpol-list@matronics.com>
>>> Sent: Saturday, January 01, 2011 6:46 AM
>>> Subject: RE: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Aileron Hinge
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Charles,
>>>> Not sure but this just worked for me
>>>> http://westcoastpiet.com/images/Jack%20Textor/wing.htm
>>>> Jack
>>>> DSM
>>>> do not archive
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
>>>> [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Charles
>>>> Campbell
>>>> Sent: Saturday, January 01, 2011 4:24 AM
>>>> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
>>>> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Aileron Hinge
>>>>
>>>> <cncampbell@windstream.net>
>>>>
>>>> Chris, apparently the links you sent last night are bad. My computer
>>>> comes
>>>> up with "Page not found" on all three links. Sure you sent the correct
>>>> links or is my computer screwwy? Chuck
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris" <catdesigns@att.net>
>>>> To: <pietenpol-list@matronics.com>
>>>> Sent: Friday, December 31, 2010 9:46 PM
>>>> Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Aileron Hinge
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Adrian
>>>>>
>>>>> Jack Textor sent some good pictures of his full span aileron hinges
>>>>> Jack's web page is
>>>>> http://www.textors.com/PietProject.htm
>>>>> Look for the hinge pictures near the bottom.
>>>>>
>>>>> Here are a couple of them from my web page but I think they are
>>>>> duplicates
>>>>> of his page.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>> http://westcoastpiet.com/images/Jack%20Textor/images/9-25-08_006_800x600.jpg
>>>
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>> http://westcoastpiet.com/images/Jack%20Textor/images/Ailerons_003_800x600.jp
>>>
>>>> g
>>>>>
>>>>> Poke around his picture page on my website and you can see pictures of
>>>>> how
>>>>> he instilled them.
>>>>> http://westcoastpiet.com/images/Jack%20Textor/wing.htm
>>>>>
>>>>> I also did the full span hinges but haven uploaded the pictures to the
>>>>> website yet.
>>>>>
>>>>> Chris
>>>>> Sacramento, Ca
>>>>> Westcoastpiet.com
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
>>>>> [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
>>>>> pineymb
>>>>> Sent: Friday, December 31, 2010 10:38 AM
>>>>> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
>>>>> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Aileron Hinge
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Jack
>>>>>
>>>>> Went into the shop this morning and took a few pictures which hopefully
>>>>> show
>>>>> enough detail of the aileron hinge setup. As you can see there is
>>>>> serious
>>>>> overkill in the size of the hinges as well as the poor alignment due to
>>>>> the
>>>>> welding of the loops. I stopped by a local hardware store and picked up
>>>>> various strap hinges to use as samples. The plans call for a 3" light
>>>>> strap
>>>>> which I perceive to be the length of one halve and the width being
>>>>> 1.25"
>>>>> as
>>>>> opposed to the 2.5" wide heavy duty hinge as shown in the pictures.
>>>>>
>>>>> Certainly like the idea of a continuous hinge which as you mentioned
>>>>> would
>>>>> involve adding two layers of 1/8" ply to the aileron beams. In your
>>>>> opinion
>>>>> would the width of shim be same as the hinge or the full width of the
>>>>> beam
>>>>> to have a flat surface for the fabric finish?
>>>>>
>>>>> Haven't had any luck finding pictures of you setup so if have any and
>>>>> would
>>>>> like to share them it would be greatly appreciated. You could forward
>>>>> them
>>>>> offline if you prefer.
>>>>>
>>>>> --------
>>>>> Adrian M
>>>>> Winnipeg, MB
>>>>> Canada
>>>>>
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| Subject: | Re: Got My Fuselage Started |
Wow, have never seen a full length fuselage mock cockpit, but its just scrap
wood, why not? As I have said one of the best things about building a mock
fuselage besides testing seating size and angles is learning how the whole
thing goes together before you start cutting up the expensive wood. Off to a
great start Tucker.
And one other thing, turned upside down it makes a great landing gear
building jig (I tack welded my parts which were bolted to it and if it
started to burn I just dumped some water, or beer on the wood and keep
welding), so don't throw it away too soon.
rick
On Sun, Jan 2, 2011 at 2:16 PM, Tucker <Tucker@tuckerrice.net> wrote:
>
> I'm really excited now. Spent last week at my grandpa's (Captain) hangar
> and started building the fuselage. OK, it's just the mock-up fuselage, but
> we are building it to specifications with the correct size longerons and
> braces. That way I'll get more practice fitting the joints and discovering
> any problems before we do the real thing. Here are a couple of pictures.
>
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| Subject: | Re: Happy 2011 may 2010 go directly to well thats another |
story
My heart felt sympathies go out to those who lost loved ones or suffered severe
hardships or health issues during 2010. My wishes to all are for a much happier
and prosperous 2011.
For me 2010 was a good year but a transition year. My architectural business did
see a decline, but that left more time to work on the GN-1 and the house.
I took a great trip alone by car to Broadhead and had a great time camping, meeting
great people, and making new friends. Many of which post on this forum.
Broadhead also provided my first ride in a GN-1. I am looking forward to 2011
and perhaps the first flight of my GN-1 and perhaps working only part time
at my business.
Happy New Year to all.
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Recycle and preserve the planet
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| Subject: | Got My Fuselage Started |
That's great Tucker. So far the fuselage has been the most enjoyable for
me. Started on the gear over the holiday and it's been more challenging. A
link to some of today's activity. http://textors.com/IMG_7529_1600x1067.jpg
Take care Buddy!
Jack
DSM
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tucker
Sent: Sunday, January 02, 2011 3:17 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Got My Fuselage Started
I'm really excited now. Spent last week at my grandpa's (Captain) hangar
and started building the fuselage. OK, it's just the mock-up fuselage, but
we are building it to specifications with the correct size longerons and
braces. That way I'll get more practice fitting the joints and discovering
any problems before we do the real thing. Here are a couple of pictures.
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| Subject: | Re: Got My Fuselage Started |
Yep. Tacking the landing gear is the #1 reason that we are building the mock-up.
Captain said that whole fuselage only took $24 worth of 2x4's, which we ripped
on the tablesaw, and we already had some scrap 1/8" & 1/4" plywood. Can't
wait to sit in it.
Tucker
[quote="at7000ft"]Wow, have never seen a full length fuselage mock cockpit, but
its just scrap wood, why not? As I have said one of the best things about building
a mock fuselage besides testing seating size and angles is learning how
the whole thing goes together before you start cutting up the expensive wood.
Off to a great start Tucker.
And one other thing, turned upside down it makes a great landing gear building
jig (I tack welded my parts which were bolted to it and if it started to burn
I just dumped some water, or beer on the wood and keep welding), so don't throw
it away too soon.
rick
On Sun, Jan 2, 2011 at 2:16 PM, Tucker wrote:
>
> I'm really excited now. Spent last week at my grandpa's (Captain) hangar and
started building the fuselage. OK, it's just the mock-up fuselage, but we are
building it to specifications with the correct size longerons and braces. That
way I'll get more practice fitting the joints and discovering any problems before
we do the real thing. Here are a couple of pictures.
>
> --------
> Tucker
>
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| Subject: | Re: Aileron Hinge |
Thanks, that's what I was thinking. Just afraid to do it without
confirmation.
----- Original Message -----
From: Rick Holland
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, January 02, 2011 7:23 PM
Subject: Re: Re: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Aileron Hinge
Blind nuts are attached with tiny wood screws from Home Depot (maybe
#4) with a bit of epoxy on the threads before screwing them in (as
recommended by Mike C.)
rick
On Sun, Jan 2, 2011 at 10:48 AM, Charles Campbell
<cncampbell@windstream.net> wrote:
Thanks, Rick. Are the anchor nuts attached with wood screws or bolts
with nuts on the other end?
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To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, January 02, 2011 12:17 PM
Subject: Re: Re: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Aileron Hinge
Some pics of my full length piano hinge with blind nuts on he back
of the spar.
On Sun, Jan 2, 2011 at 7:31 AM, Charles Campbell
<cncampbell@windstream.net> wrote:
<cncampbell@windstream.net>
Jack, OK on the screws. A couple more questions, if you don't
mind. 1) What kind of captive nuts did you use on the back side of the
aileron spars, 2) What is the width of the hinges in the open position,
3) Is the top of the hinge even with the top of the top rib cap or even
with the top of the aileron spars -- I can't tell from the pictures.
Looks like your method is the way to go. You do pretty work, by the
way. Wish mine was as good. I guess I just don't take enough time and
pains -- never did have any lessons in wood working and it shows.
Chuck
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To: <pietenpol-list@matronics.com>
Sent: Saturday, January 01, 2011 9:52 AM
Subject: RE: Re: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Aileron Hinge
<jack@textors.com>
MS24694's can't recall the length. When I do cover the hinges
will be
removed. Aileron can be separated from the wing by removing
the pin.
Jack
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[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf
Of Charles
Campbell
Sent: Saturday, January 01, 2011 8:13 AM
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Subject: Re: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Aileron Hinge
<cncampbell@windstream.net>
Jack, just wonder what kind of screws/nuts you used to fasten
the piano
hinge to the wood spars. do you just pull out the hinge pin
to seperate the
aileron from the wing or do you unscrew the hinge, cover
everything, and
then replace the hinge?
Chuck
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To: <pietenpol-list@matronics.com>
Sent: Saturday, January 01, 2011 6:46 AM
Subject: RE: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Aileron Hinge
<jack@textors.com>
Charles,
Not sure but this just worked for me
http://westcoastpiet.com/images/Jack%20Textor/wing.htm
Jack
DSM
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf
Of Charles
Campbell
Sent: Saturday, January 01, 2011 4:24 AM
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Aileron Hinge
<cncampbell@windstream.net>
Chris, apparently the links you sent last night are bad. My
computer
comes
up with "Page not found" on all three links. Sure you sent
the correct
links or is my computer screwwy? Chuck
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To: <pietenpol-list@matronics.com>
Sent: Friday, December 31, 2010 9:46 PM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Aileron Hinge
<catdesigns@att.net>
Adrian
Jack Textor sent some good pictures of his full span
aileron hinges
Jack's web page is
http://www.textors.com/PietProject.htm
Look for the hinge pictures near the bottom.
Here are a couple of them from my web page but I think
they are
duplicates
of his page.
http://westcoastpiet.com/images/Jack%20Textor/images/9-25-08_006_800x600.
jpg
http://westcoastpiet.com/images/Jack%20Textor/images/Ailerons_003_800x600
.jp
g
Poke around his picture page on my website and you can see
pictures of
how
he instilled them.
http://westcoastpiet.com/images/Jack%20Textor/wing.htm
I also did the full span hinges but haven uploaded the
pictures to the
website yet.
Chris
Sacramento, Ca
Westcoastpiet.com
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On
Behalf Of pineymb
Sent: Friday, December 31, 2010 10:38 AM
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Aileron Hinge
<airltd@mts.net>
Jack
Went into the shop this morning and took a few pictures
which hopefully
show
enough detail of the aileron hinge setup. As you can see
there is serious
overkill in the size of the hinges as well as the poor
alignment due to
the
welding of the loops. I stopped by a local hardware store
and picked up
various strap hinges to use as samples. The plans call
for a 3" light
strap
which I perceive to be the length of one halve and the
width being 1.25"
as
opposed to the 2.5" wide heavy duty hinge as shown in the
pictures.
Certainly like the idea of a continuous hinge which as you
mentioned
would
involve adding two layers of 1/8" ply to the aileron
beams. In your
opinion
would the width of shim be same as the hinge or the full
width of the
beam
to have a flat surface for the fabric finish?
Haven't had any luck finding pictures of you setup so if
have any and
would
like to share them it would be greatly appreciated. You
could forward
them
offline if you prefer.
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Winnipeg, MB
Canada
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| Subject: | Re: Got My Fuselage Started |
Great job, Tucker. Appreciate the updates.
You do such nice work, Jack!
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| Subject: | Re: flying, finally |
Happy New Year, Dick!
Flew to Brenham, TX for the $100 hamburger today. It was chilly (I do not use
the word "cold" in deference to you iron people of the north). Got to wear my
lined blue-jeans she gave me for Xmas.
Beautiful day with calm winds. Life is good.
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| Subject: | Re: Fwd: Where are you, Mike Glasgow? |
Not sure Gardiner. He does check this list so maybe he'll check in.
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| Subject: | Re: Fwd: Where are you, Mike Glasgow? |
Apologies - he's in Baton Rouge.
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| Subject: | Merry Christmas and Thank You |
Sorry for the repost, just thought this really does need to be archived....
Ryan
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Subject: Pietenpol-List: Merry Christmas and Thank You
All,
I wish to take a few moments and not only wish everyone a Merry Christmas,
but to all, a very heart felt "Thank You" for your prayers. As Jack pointed
out a few weeks ago, I am in a cancer trial that is currently putting my
cancer (LeioMyoSarcoma) into remission. Very rare. There is no doubt in my
mind that this is all coming about because of the prayers offered for me. I
don't know how to properly thank you, but I just want you to know how much
it has meant to me as I go thru the Chemo. I'm a fighter and not about
to easily give up, so keep them coming!
My wife and I are already planning on Broadhead 2011 (our first time
there). As as soon as it warms up here I hope to start work on my shop,(it
needs to be gutted and reworked, (shop is 24' X 55') getting it ready to
start building. Hopefully by early summer. We'll see. The chemo is pretty
hard on me but if I use the good days for building and the rough days for
planning, I will make progress. I need to learn the art of wood grading and
selection. I'll make the decision of which Piet I will build and what wood
I will use after we attend Broadhead. I really miss N502R so it will
probably be another long body, but I'm open minded. I fly every day I can
(Kolb Firestar XKP), but so far, between chemo and the weather I haven't
been up in several weeks.
This is the best list there is. Keep it coming. Love the photos, questions
and answers. So much good info coming across the screen on a daily basis.
It has really helped me get thru the rough days and I learn so much.
Thanks to all of you. You have been such a blessing to me.
Gene In Beautiful (1/2" snow on the ground) Western Tennessee
previous caretaker of N502R
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| Subject: | Re: flying, finally |
I was far too warm working in blue jeans in Houston this week...I dunno
about you TX boys. ;)
Your notional son,
Ryan
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On Sun, Jan 2, 2011 at 9:32 PM, kevinpurtee <kevin.purtee@us.army.mil>wrote:
> kevin.purtee@us.army.mil>
>
> Happy New Year, Dick!
>
> Flew to Brenham, TX for the $100 hamburger today. It was chilly (I do not
> use the word "cold" in deference to you iron people of the north). Got to
> wear my lined blue-jeans she gave me for Xmas.
>
> Beautiful day with calm winds. Life is good.
>
> do not archive
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> NX899KP
> Austin/Georgetown, TX
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| Subject: | Re: flying, finally |
Hey Kevin
Yes, winter with the cold and all is still the best time of year for flying.
Not only is the air very smooth, on a good clear day below freezing, there
is little risk of carb iceing. The only thing to watch out for is making
slow adjustments to the throttle.
My best wishes
Dick N.
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Sent: Sunday, January 02, 2011 9:32 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: flying, finally
> <kevin.purtee@us.army.mil>
>
> Happy New Year, Dick!
>
> Flew to Brenham, TX for the $100 hamburger today. It was chilly (I do not
> use the word "cold" in deference to you iron people of the north). Got to
> wear my lined blue-jeans she gave me for Xmas.
>
> Beautiful day with calm winds. Life is good.
>
> do not archive
>
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> Kevin "Axel" Purtee
> NX899KP
> Austin/Georgetown, TX
>
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| Subject: | Re: flying, finally |
Congrats on being back in the air Dick!
Ryan
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On Sun, Jan 2, 2011 at 10:33 PM, Dick N <horzpool@goldengate.net> wrote:
>
> Hey Kevin
> Yes, winter with the cold and all is still the best time of year for
> flying. Not only is the air very smooth, on a good clear day below freezing,
> there is little risk of carb iceing. The only thing to watch out for is
> making slow adjustments to the throttle.
> My best wishes
> Dick N.
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> >
> To: <pietenpol-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Sunday, January 02, 2011 9:32 PM
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: flying, finally
>
>
>> kevin.purtee@us.army.mil>
>>
>> Happy New Year, Dick!
>>
>> Flew to Brenham, TX for the $100 hamburger today. It was chilly (I do not
>> use the word "cold" in deference to you iron people of the north). Got to
>> wear my lined blue-jeans she gave me for Xmas.
>>
>> Beautiful day with calm winds. Life is good.
>>
>> do not archive
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>> NX899KP
>> Austin/Georgetown, TX
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