Pietenpol-List Digest Archive

Sun 01/02/11


Total Messages Posted: 29



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     1. 06:37 AM - Re: Re: Re: Re: Aileron Hinge (Charles Campbell)
     2. 08:03 AM - Re: Re: Aileron Hinge (Gene Rambo)
     3. 09:20 AM - Re: Re: Re: Re: Aileron Hinge (Rick Holland)
     4. 09:51 AM - Re: Re: Re: Re: Aileron Hinge (Charles Campbell)
     5. 10:09 AM - Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Aileron Hinge (Jack)
     6. 10:12 AM - Re: Re: Aileron Hinge (Jack Phillips)
     7. 10:35 AM - Re: Re: Aileron Hinge (Gene Rambo)
     8. 11:51 AM - Re: Re: Aileron Hinge (Charles Campbell)
     9. 11:54 AM - Re: My new logo (Billy McCaskill)
    10. 12:02 PM - Re: Build Log Survey (Billy McCaskill)
    11. 01:19 PM - Got My Fuselage Started (Tucker)
    12. 01:21 PM - Re: Build Log Survey (coxwelljon)
    13. 02:02 PM - Re: Got My Fuselage Started (Charles Campbell)
    14. 02:06 PM - Re: Got My Fuselage Started (Earnest Bunbury)
    15. 04:25 PM - Re: Re: Re: Re: Aileron Hinge (Rick Holland)
    16. 04:36 PM - Re: Got My Fuselage Started (Rick Holland)
    17. 04:41 PM - Re: Happy 2011 may 2010 go directly to well thats another story (coxwelljon)
    18. 05:45 PM - Re: Piets-GN1s (coxwelljon)
    19. 06:00 PM - Re: Got My Fuselage Started (Jack)
    20. 06:02 PM - Re: Got My Fuselage Started (Tucker)
    21. 06:05 PM - Re: Re: Re: Re: Aileron Hinge (Charles Campbell)
    22. 07:31 PM - Re: Got My Fuselage Started (kevinpurtee)
    23. 07:35 PM - Re: flying, finally (kevinpurtee)
    24. 07:37 PM - Re: Fw: Where are you, Mike Glasgow? (kevinpurtee)
    25. 07:39 PM - Re: Fw: Where are you, Mike Glasgow? (kevinpurtee)
    26. 07:56 PM - Fw: Merry Christmas and Thank You (Ryan Mueller)
    27. 08:00 PM - Re: Re: flying, finally (Ryan Mueller)
    28. 08:35 PM - Re: Re: flying, finally (Dick N)
    29. 08:43 PM - Re: Re: flying, finally (Ryan Mueller)
 
 
 


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    Time: 06:37:05 AM PST US
    From: "Charles Campbell" <cncampbell@windstream.net>
    Subject: Re: Aileron Hinge
    Jack, OK on the screws. A couple more questions, if you don't mind. 1) What kind of captive nuts did you use on the back side of the aileron spars, 2) What is the width of the hinges in the open position, 3) Is the top of the hinge even with the top of the top rib cap or even with the top of the aileron spars -- I can't tell from the pictures. Looks like your method is the way to go. You do pretty work, by the way. Wish mine was as good. I guess I just don't take enough time and pains -- never did have any lessons in wood working and it shows. Chuck Do not archive ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jack" <jack@textors.com> Sent: Saturday, January 01, 2011 9:52 AM Subject: RE: Re: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Aileron Hinge > > MS24694's can't recall the length. When I do cover the hinges will be > removed. Aileron can be separated from the wing by removing the pin. > Jack > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Charles > Campbell > Sent: Saturday, January 01, 2011 8:13 AM > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > Subject: Re: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Aileron Hinge > > <cncampbell@windstream.net> > > Jack, just wonder what kind of screws/nuts you used to fasten the piano > hinge to the wood spars. do you just pull out the hinge pin to seperate > the > > aileron from the wing or do you unscrew the hinge, cover everything, and > then replace the hinge? > > Chuck > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jack" <jack@textors.com> > To: <pietenpol-list@matronics.com> > Sent: Saturday, January 01, 2011 6:46 AM > Subject: RE: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Aileron Hinge > > >> >> Charles, >> Not sure but this just worked for me >> http://westcoastpiet.com/images/Jack%20Textor/wing.htm >> Jack >> DSM >> do not archive >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com >> [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Charles >> Campbell >> Sent: Saturday, January 01, 2011 4:24 AM >> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com >> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Aileron Hinge >> >> <cncampbell@windstream.net> >> >> Chris, apparently the links you sent last night are bad. My computer >> comes >> up with "Page not found" on all three links. Sure you sent the correct >> links or is my computer screwwy? Chuck >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Chris" <catdesigns@att.net> >> To: <pietenpol-list@matronics.com> >> Sent: Friday, December 31, 2010 9:46 PM >> Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Aileron Hinge >> >> >>> >>> Adrian >>> >>> Jack Textor sent some good pictures of his full span aileron hinges >>> Jack's web page is >>> http://www.textors.com/PietProject.htm >>> Look for the hinge pictures near the bottom. >>> >>> Here are a couple of them from my web page but I think they are >>> duplicates >>> of his page. >>> >> > http://westcoastpiet.com/images/Jack%20Textor/images/9-25-08_006_800x600.jpg >>> >> > http://westcoastpiet.com/images/Jack%20Textor/images/Ailerons_003_800x600.jp >>> g >>> >>> Poke around his picture page on my website and you can see pictures of >>> how >>> he instilled them. >>> http://westcoastpiet.com/images/Jack%20Textor/wing.htm >>> >>> I also did the full span hinges but haven uploaded the pictures to the >>> website yet. >>> >>> Chris >>> Sacramento, Ca >>> Westcoastpiet.com >>> >>> >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com >>> [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of pineymb >>> Sent: Friday, December 31, 2010 10:38 AM >>> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com >>> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Aileron Hinge >>> >>> >>> Jack >>> >>> Went into the shop this morning and took a few pictures which hopefully >>> show >>> enough detail of the aileron hinge setup. As you can see there is >>> serious >>> overkill in the size of the hinges as well as the poor alignment due to >>> the >>> welding of the loops. I stopped by a local hardware store and picked up >>> various strap hinges to use as samples. The plans call for a 3" light >>> strap >>> which I perceive to be the length of one halve and the width being 1.25" >>> as >>> opposed to the 2.5" wide heavy duty hinge as shown in the pictures. >>> >>> Certainly like the idea of a continuous hinge which as you mentioned >>> would >>> involve adding two layers of 1/8" ply to the aileron beams. In your >>> opinion >>> would the width of shim be same as the hinge or the full width of the >>> beam >>> to have a flat surface for the fabric finish? >>> >>> Haven't had any luck finding pictures of you setup so if have any and >>> would >>> like to share them it would be greatly appreciated. You could forward >>> them >>> offline if you prefer. >>> >>> -------- >>> Adrian M >>> Winnipeg, MB >>> Canada >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Read this topic online here: >>> >>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=325114#325114 >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Attachments: >>> >>> http://forums.matronics.com//files/dsc00364_978.jpg >>> http://forums.matronics.com//files/dsc00362_197.jpg >>> http://forums.matronics.com//files/dsc00359_105.jpg >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > >


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    Time: 08:03:34 AM PST US
    From: Gene Rambo <generambo@msn.com>
    Subject: Re: Aileron Hinge
    I don't have photos of mine=2C and I know I did mine somewhat differently f rom Jack=2C but here is what I have. I am using piano hinges that can be p ut on after the wing and aileron are covered. In order to make sure that t here is adequate room on the back of the spar for proper edge distance (bec ause the top of the aileron spar is beveled) I used piano hinges that are 3 " wide when open. The holes have to be around 3/4" down from the top to ha ve enough edge distance. I bought them from McMaster Carr=2C and you can b uy any width from them=2C but 3" worked. A 6' piece is around $15-18. I m ade the hinge even with the top of the wing=2C with nothing standing proud in the airstream. (I have a couple of pairs of other widths that I would se ll - my mistakes - if anyone is interested) I made the attachment screws spaced around 6" (some even number thaty did n ot land on any rib) there are 10 screws per hinge (10 on the wing=2C 10 on the aileron-OFFSET so that the heads do not touch!) I used 10-32 Tee nuts =2C and I squeezed them in with a c-clamp. I put a dab of T-88 on them to help hold them in=2C but at the last second=2C I added a small scrap of thi n plywood=2C maybe 1/2" by 1-1/2" across each one with glue and a single na il on each side to make absolutely sure that when I put the screw in it wil l not push the Tee nut out the back. (and there is a hole in the middle for the screw to go through without touching) Of course=2C they are not self- locking=2C but the screws are a little extra long=2C so if they back out it will be obvious without any chance of actually coming out. The chance of ALL 10 screws backing out enough that something falls off before I notice i t is . . . well . . . it ain't gonna happen. When I put the trailing edges on the aileron=2C I made the aileron trailing edge about 1/8 to 3/16 shy o f the wing. I expect the layers of fabric and tapes that will be under the piano hinge will make up the difference and they should align. There has been so much discussion=2C I thought I'd throw this out. I don't expect mine is any different from most (except Jack). Gene Rambo warm enough to get about 3 more ribs stitched yesterday


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    Time: 09:20:09 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: Aileron Hinge
    From: Rick Holland <at7000ft@gmail.com>
    Some pics of my full length piano hinge with blind nuts on he back of the spar. On Sun, Jan 2, 2011 at 7:31 AM, Charles Campbell <cncampbell@windstream.net>wrote: > cncampbell@windstream.net> > > Jack, OK on the screws. A couple more questions, if you don't mind. 1) > What kind of captive nuts did you use on the back side of the aileron spars, > 2) What is the width of the hinges in the open position, 3) Is the top of > the hinge even with the top of the top rib cap or even with the top of the > aileron spars -- I can't tell from the pictures. Looks like your method is > the way to go. You do pretty work, by the way. Wish mine was as good. I > guess I just don't take enough time and pains -- never did have any lessons > in wood working and it shows. > > Chuck > Do not archive > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jack" <jack@textors.com> > To: <pietenpol-list@matronics.com> > Sent: Saturday, January 01, 2011 9:52 AM > Subject: RE: Re: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Aileron Hinge > > >> >> MS24694's can't recall the length. When I do cover the hinges will be >> removed. Aileron can be separated from the wing by removing the pin. >> Jack >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com >> [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Charles >> Campbell >> Sent: Saturday, January 01, 2011 8:13 AM >> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com >> Subject: Re: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Aileron Hinge >> >> <cncampbell@windstream.net> >> >> Jack, just wonder what kind of screws/nuts you used to fasten the piano >> hinge to the wood spars. do you just pull out the hinge pin to seperate >> the >> >> aileron from the wing or do you unscrew the hinge, cover everything, and >> then replace the hinge? >> >> Chuck >> >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jack" <jack@textors.com> >> To: <pietenpol-list@matronics.com> >> Sent: Saturday, January 01, 2011 6:46 AM >> Subject: RE: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Aileron Hinge >> >> >>> >>> Charles, >>> Not sure but this just worked for me >>> http://westcoastpiet.com/images/Jack%20Textor/wing.htm >>> Jack >>> DSM >>> do not archive >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com >>> [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Charles >>> Campbell >>> Sent: Saturday, January 01, 2011 4:24 AM >>> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com >>> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Aileron Hinge >>> >>> <cncampbell@windstream.net> >>> >>> Chris, apparently the links you sent last night are bad. My computer >>> comes >>> up with "Page not found" on all three links. Sure you sent the correct >>> links or is my computer screwwy? Chuck >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris" <catdesigns@att.net> >>> To: <pietenpol-list@matronics.com> >>> Sent: Friday, December 31, 2010 9:46 PM >>> Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Aileron Hinge >>> >>> >>>> >>>> Adrian >>>> >>>> Jack Textor sent some good pictures of his full span aileron hinges >>>> Jack's web page is >>>> http://www.textors.com/PietProject.htm >>>> Look for the hinge pictures near the bottom. >>>> >>>> Here are a couple of them from my web page but I think they are >>>> duplicates >>>> of his page. >>>> >>>> >>> >> http://westcoastpiet.com/images/Jack%20Textor/images/9-25-08_006_800x600.jpg >> >>> >>>> >>> >> http://westcoastpiet.com/images/Jack%20Textor/images/Ailerons_003_800x600.jp >> >>> g >>>> >>>> Poke around his picture page on my website and you can see pictures of >>>> how >>>> he instilled them. >>>> http://westcoastpiet.com/images/Jack%20Textor/wing.htm >>>> >>>> I also did the full span hinges but haven uploaded the pictures to the >>>> website yet. >>>> >>>> Chris >>>> Sacramento, Ca >>>> Westcoastpiet.com >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com >>>> [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of pineymb >>>> Sent: Friday, December 31, 2010 10:38 AM >>>> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com >>>> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Aileron Hinge >>>> >>>> >>>> Jack >>>> >>>> Went into the shop this morning and took a few pictures which hopefully >>>> show >>>> enough detail of the aileron hinge setup. As you can see there is >>>> serious >>>> overkill in the size of the hinges as well as the poor alignment due to >>>> the >>>> welding of the loops. I stopped by a local hardware store and picked up >>>> various strap hinges to use as samples. The plans call for a 3" light >>>> strap >>>> which I perceive to be the length of one halve and the width being 1.25" >>>> as >>>> opposed to the 2.5" wide heavy duty hinge as shown in the pictures. >>>> >>>> Certainly like the idea of a continuous hinge which as you mentioned >>>> would >>>> involve adding two layers of 1/8" ply to the aileron beams. In your >>>> opinion >>>> would the width of shim be same as the hinge or the full width of the >>>> beam >>>> to have a flat surface for the fabric finish? >>>> >>>> Haven't had any luck finding pictures of you setup so if have any and >>>> would >>>> like to share them it would be greatly appreciated. You could forward >>>> them >>>> offline if you prefer. >>>> >>>> -------- >>>> Adrian M >>>> Winnipeg, MB >>>> Canada >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Read this topic online here: >>>> >>>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=325114#325114 >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Attachments: >>>> >>>> http://forums.matronics.com//files/dsc00364_978.jpg >>>> http://forums.matronics.com//files/dsc00362_197.jpg >>>> http://forums.matronics.com//files/dsc00359_105.jpg >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > -- Rick Holland Castle Rock, Colorado "Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers, that smell bad"


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    Time: 09:51:15 AM PST US
    From: "Charles Campbell" <cncampbell@windstream.net>
    Subject: Re: Aileron Hinge
    Thanks, Rick. Are the anchor nuts attached with wood screws or bolts with nuts on the other end? ----- Original Message ----- From: Rick Holland To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Sunday, January 02, 2011 12:17 PM Subject: Re: Re: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Aileron Hinge Some pics of my full length piano hinge with blind nuts on he back of the spar. On Sun, Jan 2, 2011 at 7:31 AM, Charles Campbell <cncampbell@windstream.net> wrote: <cncampbell@windstream.net> Jack, OK on the screws. A couple more questions, if you don't mind. 1) What kind of captive nuts did you use on the back side of the aileron spars, 2) What is the width of the hinges in the open position, 3) Is the top of the hinge even with the top of the top rib cap or even with the top of the aileron spars -- I can't tell from the pictures. Looks like your method is the way to go. You do pretty work, by the way. Wish mine was as good. I guess I just don't take enough time and pains -- never did have any lessons in wood working and it shows. Chuck Do not archive ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jack" <jack@textors.com> To: <pietenpol-list@matronics.com> Sent: Saturday, January 01, 2011 9:52 AM Subject: RE: Re: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Aileron Hinge MS24694's can't recall the length. When I do cover the hinges will be removed. Aileron can be separated from the wing by removing the pin. Jack -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Charles Campbell Sent: Saturday, January 01, 2011 8:13 AM To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Subject: Re: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Aileron Hinge <cncampbell@windstream.net> Jack, just wonder what kind of screws/nuts you used to fasten the piano hinge to the wood spars. do you just pull out the hinge pin to seperate the aileron from the wing or do you unscrew the hinge, cover everything, and then replace the hinge? Chuck ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jack" <jack@textors.com> To: <pietenpol-list@matronics.com> Sent: Saturday, January 01, 2011 6:46 AM Subject: RE: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Aileron Hinge Charles, Not sure but this just worked for me http://westcoastpiet.com/images/Jack%20Textor/wing.htm Jack DSM do not archive -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Charles Campbell Sent: Saturday, January 01, 2011 4:24 AM To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Aileron Hinge <cncampbell@windstream.net> Chris, apparently the links you sent last night are bad. My computer comes up with "Page not found" on all three links. Sure you sent the correct links or is my computer screwwy? Chuck ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris" <catdesigns@att.net> To: <pietenpol-list@matronics.com> Sent: Friday, December 31, 2010 9:46 PM Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Aileron Hinge <catdesigns@att.net> Adrian Jack Textor sent some good pictures of his full span aileron hinges Jack's web page is http://www.textors.com/PietProject.htm Look for the hinge pictures near the bottom. Here are a couple of them from my web page but I think they are duplicates of his page. http://westcoastpiet.com/images/Jack%20Textor/images/9-25-08_006_800x600. jpg http://westcoastpiet.com/images/Jack%20Textor/images/Ailerons_003_800x600 .jp g Poke around his picture page on my website and you can see pictures of how he instilled them. http://westcoastpiet.com/images/Jack%20Textor/wing.htm I also did the full span hinges but haven uploaded the pictures to the website yet. Chris Sacramento, Ca Westcoastpiet.com -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of pineymb Sent: Friday, December 31, 2010 10:38 AM To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Aileron Hinge <airltd@mts.net> Jack Went into the shop this morning and took a few pictures which hopefully show enough detail of the aileron hinge setup. As you can see there is serious overkill in the size of the hinges as well as the poor alignment due to the welding of the loops. I stopped by a local hardware store and picked up various strap hinges to use as samples. The plans call for a 3" light strap which I perceive to be the length of one halve and the width being 1.25" as opposed to the 2.5" wide heavy duty hinge as shown in the pictures. Certainly like the idea of a continuous hinge which as you mentioned would involve adding two layers of 1/8" ply to the aileron beams. In your opinion would the width of shim be same as the hinge or the full width of the beam to have a flat surface for the fabric finish? Haven't had any luck finding pictures of you setup so if have any and would like to share them it would be greatly appreciated. You could forward them offline if you prefer. -------- Adrian M Winnipeg, MB Canada Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=325114#325114 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/dsc00364_978.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/dsc00362_197.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/dsc00359_105.jpg ========== st" target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List ========== http://forums.matronics.com ========== le, List Admin. ="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution ========== -- Rick Holland Castle Rock, Colorado "Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers, that smell bad"


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    Time: 10:09:21 AM PST US
    From: "Jack" <jack@textors.com>
    Subject: Re: Aileron Hinge
    Charles, Gene has some excellent ideas. My hinges were 1" per side, 2" open. The hinges are even with the top of the cap strips. I wanted to attach them as close to the top as possible. You will have to put cap strip material on the top of the aileron spar between the ribs. I would suggest using a piece wide enough to match up with the back of the aileron spar, not as I did. As you can see from the attached picture I had to add a beveled piece behind the cap material. I used some nut plates I had laying around and t-nuts when I ran out of the plates. Jack DSM -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Charles Campbell Sent: Sunday, January 02, 2011 8:32 AM Subject: Re: Re: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Aileron Hinge <cncampbell@windstream.net> Jack, OK on the screws. A couple more questions, if you don't mind. 1) What kind of captive nuts did you use on the back side of the aileron spars, 2) What is the width of the hinges in the open position, 3) Is the top of the hinge even with the top of the top rib cap or even with the top of the aileron spars -- I can't tell from the pictures. Looks like your method is the way to go. You do pretty work, by the way. Wish mine was as good. I guess I just don't take enough time and pains -- never did have any lessons in wood working and it shows. Chuck Do not archive ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jack" <jack@textors.com> Sent: Saturday, January 01, 2011 9:52 AM Subject: RE: Re: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Aileron Hinge > > MS24694's can't recall the length. When I do cover the hinges will be > removed. Aileron can be separated from the wing by removing the pin. > Jack > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Charles > Campbell > Sent: Saturday, January 01, 2011 8:13 AM > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > Subject: Re: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Aileron Hinge > > <cncampbell@windstream.net> > > Jack, just wonder what kind of screws/nuts you used to fasten the piano > hinge to the wood spars. do you just pull out the hinge pin to seperate > the > > aileron from the wing or do you unscrew the hinge, cover everything, and > then replace the hinge? > > Chuck > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jack" <jack@textors.com> > To: <pietenpol-list@matronics.com> > Sent: Saturday, January 01, 2011 6:46 AM > Subject: RE: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Aileron Hinge > > >> >> Charles, >> Not sure but this just worked for me >> http://westcoastpiet.com/images/Jack%20Textor/wing.htm >> Jack >> DSM >> do not archive >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com >> [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Charles >> Campbell >> Sent: Saturday, January 01, 2011 4:24 AM >> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com >> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Aileron Hinge >> >> <cncampbell@windstream.net> >> >> Chris, apparently the links you sent last night are bad. My computer >> comes >> up with "Page not found" on all three links. Sure you sent the correct >> links or is my computer screwwy? Chuck >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Chris" <catdesigns@att.net> >> To: <pietenpol-list@matronics.com> >> Sent: Friday, December 31, 2010 9:46 PM >> Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Aileron Hinge >> >> >>> >>> Adrian >>> >>> Jack Textor sent some good pictures of his full span aileron hinges >>> Jack's web page is >>> http://www.textors.com/PietProject.htm >>> Look for the hinge pictures near the bottom. >>> >>> Here are a couple of them from my web page but I think they are >>> duplicates >>> of his page. >>> >> > http://westcoastpiet.com/images/Jack%20Textor/images/9-25-08_006_800x600.jpg >>> >> > http://westcoastpiet.com/images/Jack%20Textor/images/Ailerons_003_800x600.jp >>> g >>> >>> Poke around his picture page on my website and you can see pictures of >>> how >>> he instilled them. >>> http://westcoastpiet.com/images/Jack%20Textor/wing.htm >>> >>> I also did the full span hinges but haven uploaded the pictures to the >>> website yet. >>> >>> Chris >>> Sacramento, Ca >>> Westcoastpiet.com >>> >>> >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com >>> [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of pineymb >>> Sent: Friday, December 31, 2010 10:38 AM >>> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com >>> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Aileron Hinge >>> >>> >>> Jack >>> >>> Went into the shop this morning and took a few pictures which hopefully >>> show >>> enough detail of the aileron hinge setup. As you can see there is >>> serious >>> overkill in the size of the hinges as well as the poor alignment due to >>> the >>> welding of the loops. I stopped by a local hardware store and picked up >>> various strap hinges to use as samples. The plans call for a 3" light >>> strap >>> which I perceive to be the length of one halve and the width being 1.25" >>> as >>> opposed to the 2.5" wide heavy duty hinge as shown in the pictures. >>> >>> Certainly like the idea of a continuous hinge which as you mentioned >>> would >>> involve adding two layers of 1/8" ply to the aileron beams. In your >>> opinion >>> would the width of shim be same as the hinge or the full width of the >>> beam >>> to have a flat surface for the fabric finish? >>> >>> Haven't had any luck finding pictures of you setup so if have any and >>> would >>> like to share them it would be greatly appreciated. You could forward >>> them >>> offline if you prefer. >>> >>> -------- >>> Adrian M >>> Winnipeg, MB >>> Canada >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Read this topic online here: >>> >>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=325114#325114 >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Attachments: >>> >>> http://forums.matronics.com//files/dsc00364_978.jpg >>> http://forums.matronics.com//files/dsc00362_197.jpg >>> http://forums.matronics.com//files/dsc00359_105.jpg >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > >


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    Time: 10:12:47 AM PST US
    From: "Jack Phillips" <pietflyr@bellsouth.net>
    Subject: Re: Aileron Hinge
    To which Jack are you referring, Gene? Me or Jack Textor? I did mine pretty much as you have described, except I used multiple short pieces of hinge (which I have already said I would NOT do again) and I used nutplates in the inside of the spars rather than T-nuts. Jack Phillips NX899JP "Icarus Plummet" Raleigh, NC _____ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gene Rambo Sent: Sunday, January 02, 2011 11:00 AM Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Aileron Hinge I don't have photos of mine, and I know I did mine somewhat differently from Jack, but here is what I have. I am using piano hinges that can be put on after the wing and aileron are covered. In order to make sure that there is adequate room on the back of the spar for proper edge distance (because the top of the aileron spar is beveled) I used piano hinges that are 3" wide when open. The holes have to be around 3/4" down from the top to have enough edge distance. I bought them from McMaster Carr, and you can buy any width from them, but 3" worked. A 6' piece is around $15-18. I made the hinge even with the top of the wing, with nothing standing proud in the airstream. (I have a couple of pairs of other widths that I would sell - my mistakes - if anyone is interested) I made the attachment screws spaced around 6" (some even number thaty did not land on any rib) there are 10 screws per hinge (10 on the wing, 10 on the aileron-OFFSET so that the heads do not touch!) I used 10-32 Tee nuts, and I squeezed them in with a c-clamp. I put a dab of T-88 on them to help hold them in, but at the last second, I added a small scrap of thin plywood, maybe 1/2" by 1-1/2" across each one with glue and a single nail on each side to make absolutely sure that when I put the screw in it will not push the Tee nut out the back. (and there is a hole in the middle for the screw to go through without touching) Of course, they are not self-locking, but the screws are a little extra long, so if they back out it will be obvious without any chance of actually coming out. The chance of ALL 10 screws backing out enough that something falls off before I notice it is . . . well . . . it ain't gonna happen. When I put the trailing edges on the aileron, I made the aileron trailing edge about 1/8 to 3/16 shy of the wing. I expect the layers of fabric and tapes that will be under the piano hinge will make up the difference and they should align. There has been so much discussion, I thought I'd throw this out. I don't expect mine is any different from most (except Jack). Gene Rambo warm enough to get about 3 more ribs stitched yesterday


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    Time: 10:35:36 AM PST US
    From: Gene Rambo <generambo@msn.com>
    Subject: Re: Aileron Hinge
    well=2C those are differences aren't they???? Gene From: pietflyr@bellsouth.net Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Aileron Hinge To which Jack are you referring=2C Gene? Me or Jack Textor? I did mine pr etty much as you have described=2C except I used multiple short pieces of h inge (which I have already said I would NOT do again) and I used nutplates in the inside of the spars rather than T-nuts. Jack Phillips NX899JP =93Icarus Plummet=94 Raleigh=2C NC From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-lis t-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gene Rambo Sent: Sunday=2C January 02=2C 2011 11:00 AM Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Aileron Hinge I don't have photos of mine=2C and I know I did mine somewhat differently f rom Jack=2C but here is what I have. I am using piano hinges that can be p ut on after the wing and aileron are covered. In order to make sure that t here is adequate room on the back of the spar for proper edge distance (bec ause the top of the aileron spar is beveled) I used piano hinges that are 3 " wide when open. The holes have to be around 3/4" down from the top to ha ve enough edge distance. I bought them from McMaster Carr=2C and you can b uy any width from them=2C but 3" worked. A 6' piece is around $15-18. I m ade the hinge even with the top of the wing=2C with nothing standing proud in the airstream. (I have a couple of pairs of other widths that I would se ll - my mistakes - if anyone is interested) I made the attachment screws spaced around 6" (some even number thaty did n ot land on any rib) there are 10 screws per hinge (10 on the wing=2C 10 on the aileron-OFFSET so that the heads do not touch!) I used 10-32 Tee nuts =2C and I squeezed them in with a c-clamp. I put a dab of T-88 on them to help hold them in=2C but at the last second=2C I added a small scrap of thi n plywood=2C maybe 1/2" by 1-1/2" across each one with glue and a single na il on each side to make absolutely sure that when I put the screw in it wil l not push the Tee nut out the back. (and there is a hole in the middle for the screw to go through without touching) Of course=2C they are not self- locking=2C but the screws are a little extra long=2C so if they back out it will be obvious without any chance of actually coming out. The chance of ALL 10 screws backing out enough that something falls off before I notice i t is . . . well . . . it ain't gonna happen. When I put the trailing edges on the aileron=2C I made the aileron trailing edge about 1/8 to 3/16 shy o f the wing. I expect the layers of fabric and tapes that will be under the piano hinge will make up the difference and they should align. There has been so much discussion=2C I thought I'd throw this out. I don't expect mine is any different from most (except Jack). Gene Rambo warm enough to get about 3 more ribs stitched yesterday http://www.matroni cs.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-Listhttp://forums.matronics.comhttp://www.matron ics.com/contribution


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    Time: 11:51:48 AM PST US
    From: "Charles Campbell" <cncampbell@windstream.net>
    Subject: Re: Aileron Hinge
    Gene, what widths are they and how much do you want for a couple of 6-foot pairs? Chuck ----- Original Message ----- From: Gene Rambo To: pietenpol-list Sent: Sunday, January 02, 2011 1:28 PM Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Aileron Hinge well, those are differences aren't they???? Gene ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- From: pietflyr@bellsouth.net To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Aileron Hinge Date: Sun, 2 Jan 2011 13:10:07 -0500 To which Jack are you referring, Gene? Me or Jack Textor? I did mine pretty much as you have described, except I used multiple short pieces of hinge (which I have already said I would NOT do again) and I used nutplates in the inside of the spars rather than T-nuts. Jack Phillips NX899JP =93Icarus Plummet=94 Raleigh, NC ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gene Rambo Sent: Sunday, January 02, 2011 11:00 AM To: pietenpol-list Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Aileron Hinge I don't have photos of mine, and I know I did mine somewhat differently from Jack, but here is what I have. I am using piano hinges that can be put on after the wing and aileron are covered. In order to make sure that there is adequate room on the back of the spar for proper edge distance (because the top of the aileron spar is beveled) I used piano hinges that are 3" wide when open. The holes have to be around 3/4" down from the top to have enough edge distance. I bought them from McMaster Carr, and you can buy any width from them, but 3" worked. A 6' piece is around $15-18. I made the hinge even with the top of the wing, with nothing standing proud in the airstream. (I have a couple of pairs of other widths that I would sell - my mistakes - if anyone is interested) I made the attachment screws spaced around 6" (some even number thaty did not land on any rib) there are 10 screws per hinge (10 on the wing, 10 on the aileron-OFFSET so that the heads do not touch!) I used 10-32 Tee nuts, and I squeezed them in with a c-clamp. I put a dab of T-88 on them to help hold them in, but at the last second, I added a small scrap of thin plywood, maybe 1/2" by 1-1/2" across each one with glue and a single nail on each side to make absolutely sure that when I put the screw in it will not push the Tee nut out the back. (and there is a hole in the middle for the screw to go through without touching) Of course, they are not self-locking, but the screws are a little extra long, so if they back out it will be obvious without any chance of actually coming out. The chance of ALL 10 screws backing out enough that something falls off before I notice it is . . . well . . . it ain't gonna happen. When I put the trailing edges on the aileron, I made the aileron trailing edge about 1/8 to 3/16 shy of the wing. I expect the layers of fabric and tapes that will be under the piano hinge will make up the difference and they should align. There has been so much discussion, I thought I'd throw this out. I don't expect mine is any different from most (except Jack). Gene Rambo warm enough to get about 3 more ribs stitched yesterday http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-Listhttp://forums.matronics. comhttp://www.matronics.com/contribution st" target=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List ttp://forums.matronics.com =_blank>http://www.matronics.com/contribution


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    Time: 11:54:33 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: My new logo
    From: "Billy McCaskill" <billmz@cox.net>
    Love the logo, Dan! Can't wait to see the finished product! How's your engine coming along? -------- Billy McCaskill Urbana, IL tail section almost done, starting on ribs soon Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=325324#325324


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    Time: 12:02:03 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: Build Log Survey
    From: "Billy McCaskill" <billmz@cox.net>
    Spiral notebook and a pencil for me. Taking lots of photos too, but generally not posting them anywhere on the web at this point. -------- Billy McCaskill Urbana, IL tail section almost done, starting on ribs soon Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=325326#325326


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    Time: 01:19:03 PM PST US
    Subject: Got My Fuselage Started
    From: "Tucker" <Tucker@tuckerrice.net>
    I'm really excited now. Spent last week at my grandpa's (Captain) hangar and started building the fuselage. OK, it's just the mock-up fuselage, but we are building it to specifications with the correct size longerons and braces. That way I'll get more practice fitting the joints and discovering any problems before we do the real thing. Here are a couple of pictures. -------- Tucker Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=325331#325331 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/img_0011_158.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/img_0007_199.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/img_0006_107.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/img_0009_122.jpg


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    Time: 01:21:51 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: Build Log Survey
    From: "coxwelljon" <coxwelljon@frontiernet.net>
    Binder, Pencil, Digital Photos. Not accessible on the web. -------- Jon Coxwell GN-1 Builder Recycle and preserve the planet Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=325332#325332


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    Time: 02:02:45 PM PST US
    From: "Charles Campbell" <cncampbell@windstream.net>
    Subject: Re: Got My Fuselage Started
    Makes me want to start all over again on my fuse. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tucker" <Tucker@tuckerrice.net> Sent: Sunday, January 02, 2011 4:16 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Got My Fuselage Started > > I'm really excited now. Spent last week at my grandpa's (Captain) hangar > and started building the fuselage. OK, it's just the mock-up fuselage, > but we are building it to specifications with the correct size longerons > and braces. That way I'll get more practice fitting the joints and > discovering any problems before we do the real thing. Here are a couple > of pictures. > > -------- > Tucker > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=325331#325331 > > > Attachments: > > http://forums.matronics.com//files/img_0011_158.jpg > http://forums.matronics.com//files/img_0007_199.jpg > http://forums.matronics.com//files/img_0006_107.jpg > http://forums.matronics.com//files/img_0009_122.jpg > > >


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    Time: 02:06:16 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: Got My Fuselage Started
    From: Earnest Bunbury <ebunburyesq@gmail.com>
    Tucker- Very exciting! Thanks for keeping us updated. -Jeff On Sun, Jan 2, 2011 at 4:16 PM, Tucker <Tucker@tuckerrice.net> wrote: > > I'm really excited now. Spent last week at my grandpa's (Captain) hangar > and started building the fuselage. OK, it's just the mock-up fuselage, but > we are building it to specifications with the correct size longerons and > braces. That way I'll get more practice fitting the joints and discovering > any problems before we do the real thing. Here are a couple of pictures. > > -------- > Tucker > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=325331#325331 > > > Attachments: > > http://forums.matronics.com//files/img_0011_158.jpg > http://forums.matronics.com//files/img_0007_199.jpg > http://forums.matronics.com//files/img_0006_107.jpg > http://forums.matronics.com//files/img_0009_122.jpg > >


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    Time: 04:25:30 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: Aileron Hinge
    From: Rick Holland <at7000ft@gmail.com>
    Blind nuts are attached with tiny wood screws from Home Depot (maybe #4) with a bit of epoxy on the threads before screwing them in (as recommended by Mike C.) rick On Sun, Jan 2, 2011 at 10:48 AM, Charles Campbell <cncampbell@windstream.net > wrote: > Thanks, Rick. Are the anchor nuts attached with wood screws or bolts with > nuts on the other end? > > ----- Original Message ----- > *From:* Rick Holland <at7000ft@gmail.com> > *To:* pietenpol-list@matronics.com > *Sent:* Sunday, January 02, 2011 12:17 PM > *Subject:* Re: Re: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Aileron Hinge > > Some pics of my full length piano hinge with blind nuts on he back of the > spar. > > > On Sun, Jan 2, 2011 at 7:31 AM, Charles Campbell < > cncampbell@windstream.net> wrote: > >> cncampbell@windstream.net> >> >> Jack, OK on the screws. A couple more questions, if you don't mind. 1) >> What kind of captive nuts did you use on the back side of the aileron spars, >> 2) What is the width of the hinges in the open position, 3) Is the top of >> the hinge even with the top of the top rib cap or even with the top of the >> aileron spars -- I can't tell from the pictures. Looks like your method is >> the way to go. You do pretty work, by the way. Wish mine was as good. I >> guess I just don't take enough time and pains -- never did have any lessons >> in wood working and it shows. >> >> Chuck >> Do not archive >> >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jack" <jack@textors.com> >> To: <pietenpol-list@matronics.com> >> Sent: Saturday, January 01, 2011 9:52 AM >> Subject: RE: Re: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Aileron Hinge >> >> >>> >>> MS24694's can't recall the length. When I do cover the hinges will be >>> removed. Aileron can be separated from the wing by removing the pin. >>> Jack >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com >>> [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Charles >>> Campbell >>> Sent: Saturday, January 01, 2011 8:13 AM >>> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com >>> Subject: Re: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Aileron Hinge >>> >>> <cncampbell@windstream.net> >>> >>> Jack, just wonder what kind of screws/nuts you used to fasten the piano >>> hinge to the wood spars. do you just pull out the hinge pin to seperate >>> the >>> >>> aileron from the wing or do you unscrew the hinge, cover everything, and >>> then replace the hinge? >>> >>> Chuck >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jack" <jack@textors.com> >>> To: <pietenpol-list@matronics.com> >>> Sent: Saturday, January 01, 2011 6:46 AM >>> Subject: RE: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Aileron Hinge >>> >>> >>>> >>>> Charles, >>>> Not sure but this just worked for me >>>> http://westcoastpiet.com/images/Jack%20Textor/wing.htm >>>> Jack >>>> DSM >>>> do not archive >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com >>>> [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Charles >>>> Campbell >>>> Sent: Saturday, January 01, 2011 4:24 AM >>>> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com >>>> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Aileron Hinge >>>> >>>> <cncampbell@windstream.net> >>>> >>>> Chris, apparently the links you sent last night are bad. My computer >>>> comes >>>> up with "Page not found" on all three links. Sure you sent the correct >>>> links or is my computer screwwy? Chuck >>>> >>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris" <catdesigns@att.net> >>>> To: <pietenpol-list@matronics.com> >>>> Sent: Friday, December 31, 2010 9:46 PM >>>> Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Aileron Hinge >>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>>> Adrian >>>>> >>>>> Jack Textor sent some good pictures of his full span aileron hinges >>>>> Jack's web page is >>>>> http://www.textors.com/PietProject.htm >>>>> Look for the hinge pictures near the bottom. >>>>> >>>>> Here are a couple of them from my web page but I think they are >>>>> duplicates >>>>> of his page. >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>> http://westcoastpiet.com/images/Jack%20Textor/images/9-25-08_006_800x600.jpg >>> >>>> >>>>> >>>> >>> http://westcoastpiet.com/images/Jack%20Textor/images/Ailerons_003_800x600.jp >>> >>>> g >>>>> >>>>> Poke around his picture page on my website and you can see pictures of >>>>> how >>>>> he instilled them. >>>>> http://westcoastpiet.com/images/Jack%20Textor/wing.htm >>>>> >>>>> I also did the full span hinges but haven uploaded the pictures to the >>>>> website yet. >>>>> >>>>> Chris >>>>> Sacramento, Ca >>>>> Westcoastpiet.com >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com >>>>> [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of >>>>> pineymb >>>>> Sent: Friday, December 31, 2010 10:38 AM >>>>> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com >>>>> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Aileron Hinge >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Jack >>>>> >>>>> Went into the shop this morning and took a few pictures which hopefully >>>>> show >>>>> enough detail of the aileron hinge setup. As you can see there is >>>>> serious >>>>> overkill in the size of the hinges as well as the poor alignment due to >>>>> the >>>>> welding of the loops. I stopped by a local hardware store and picked up >>>>> various strap hinges to use as samples. The plans call for a 3" light >>>>> strap >>>>> which I perceive to be the length of one halve and the width being >>>>> 1.25" >>>>> as >>>>> opposed to the 2.5" wide heavy duty hinge as shown in the pictures. >>>>> >>>>> Certainly like the idea of a continuous hinge which as you mentioned >>>>> would >>>>> involve adding two layers of 1/8" ply to the aileron beams. In your >>>>> opinion >>>>> would the width of shim be same as the hinge or the full width of the >>>>> beam >>>>> to have a flat surface for the fabric finish? >>>>> >>>>> Haven't had any luck finding pictures of you setup so if have any and >>>>> would >>>>> like to share them it would be greatly appreciated. You could forward >>>>> them >>>>> offline if you prefer. >>>>> >>>>> -------- >>>>> Adrian M >>>>> Winnipeg, MB >>>>> Canada >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Read this topic online here: >>>>> >>>>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=325114#325114 >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Attachments: >>>>> >>>>> http://forums.matronics.com//files/dsc00364_978.jpg >>>>> http://forums.matronics.com//files/dsc00362_197.jpg >>>>> http://forums.matronics.com//files/dsc00359_105.jpg >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> ========== >> st" target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List >> ========== >> http://forums.matronics.com >> ========== >> le, List Admin. >> ="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution >> ========== >> >> >> >> > > > -- > Rick Holland > Castle Rock, Colorado > > "Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers, that smell bad" > > * > > * > > -- Rick Holland Castle Rock, Colorado "Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers, that smell bad"


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    Time: 04:36:24 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: Got My Fuselage Started
    From: Rick Holland <at7000ft@gmail.com>
    Wow, have never seen a full length fuselage mock cockpit, but its just scrap wood, why not? As I have said one of the best things about building a mock fuselage besides testing seating size and angles is learning how the whole thing goes together before you start cutting up the expensive wood. Off to a great start Tucker. And one other thing, turned upside down it makes a great landing gear building jig (I tack welded my parts which were bolted to it and if it started to burn I just dumped some water, or beer on the wood and keep welding), so don't throw it away too soon. rick On Sun, Jan 2, 2011 at 2:16 PM, Tucker <Tucker@tuckerrice.net> wrote: > > I'm really excited now. Spent last week at my grandpa's (Captain) hangar > and started building the fuselage. OK, it's just the mock-up fuselage, but > we are building it to specifications with the correct size longerons and > braces. That way I'll get more practice fitting the joints and discovering > any problems before we do the real thing. Here are a couple of pictures. > > -------- > Tucker > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=325331#325331 > > > Attachments: > > http://forums.matronics.com//files/img_0011_158.jpg > http://forums.matronics.com//files/img_0007_199.jpg > http://forums.matronics.com//files/img_0006_107.jpg > http://forums.matronics.com//files/img_0009_122.jpg > > -- Rick Holland Castle Rock, Colorado "Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers, that smell bad"


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    Time: 04:41:31 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: Happy 2011 may 2010 go directly to well thats another
    story
    From: "coxwelljon" <coxwelljon@frontiernet.net>
    My heart felt sympathies go out to those who lost loved ones or suffered severe hardships or health issues during 2010. My wishes to all are for a much happier and prosperous 2011. For me 2010 was a good year but a transition year. My architectural business did see a decline, but that left more time to work on the GN-1 and the house. I took a great trip alone by car to Broadhead and had a great time camping, meeting great people, and making new friends. Many of which post on this forum. Broadhead also provided my first ride in a GN-1. I am looking forward to 2011 and perhaps the first flight of my GN-1 and perhaps working only part time at my business. Happy New Year to all. -------- Jon Coxwell GN-1 Builder Recycle and preserve the planet Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=325360#325360


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    Time: 05:45:17 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: Piets-GN1s
    From: "coxwelljon" <coxwelljon@frontiernet.net>
    46 GN-1's registered -------- Jon Coxwell GN-1 Builder Recycle and preserve the planet Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=325367#325367


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    Time: 06:00:56 PM PST US
    From: "Jack" <jack@textors.com>
    Subject: Got My Fuselage Started
    That's great Tucker. So far the fuselage has been the most enjoyable for me. Started on the gear over the holiday and it's been more challenging. A link to some of today's activity. http://textors.com/IMG_7529_1600x1067.jpg Take care Buddy! Jack DSM -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tucker Sent: Sunday, January 02, 2011 3:17 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Got My Fuselage Started I'm really excited now. Spent last week at my grandpa's (Captain) hangar and started building the fuselage. OK, it's just the mock-up fuselage, but we are building it to specifications with the correct size longerons and braces. That way I'll get more practice fitting the joints and discovering any problems before we do the real thing. Here are a couple of pictures. -------- Tucker Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=325331#325331 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/img_0011_158.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/img_0007_199.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/img_0006_107.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/img_0009_122.jpg


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    Time: 06:02:35 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: Got My Fuselage Started
    From: "Tucker" <Tucker@tuckerrice.net>
    Yep. Tacking the landing gear is the #1 reason that we are building the mock-up. Captain said that whole fuselage only took $24 worth of 2x4's, which we ripped on the tablesaw, and we already had some scrap 1/8" & 1/4" plywood. Can't wait to sit in it. Tucker [quote="at7000ft"]Wow, have never seen a full length fuselage mock cockpit, but its just scrap wood, why not? As I have said one of the best things about building a mock fuselage besides testing seating size and angles is learning how the whole thing goes together before you start cutting up the expensive wood. Off to a great start Tucker. And one other thing, turned upside down it makes a great landing gear building jig (I tack welded my parts which were bolted to it and if it started to burn I just dumped some water, or beer on the wood and keep welding), so don't throw it away too soon. rick On Sun, Jan 2, 2011 at 2:16 PM, Tucker wrote: > > I'm really excited now. Spent last week at my grandpa's (Captain) hangar and started building the fuselage. OK, it's just the mock-up fuselage, but we are building it to specifications with the correct size longerons and braces. That way I'll get more practice fitting the joints and discovering any problems before we do the real thing. Here are a couple of pictures. > > -------- > Tucker > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=325331#325331 (http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=325331#325331) > > > > > Attachments: > > http://forums.matronics.com//files/img_0011_158.jpg (http://forums.matronics.com//files/img_0011_158.jpg) > http://forums.matronics.com//files/img_0007_199.jpg (http://forums.matronics.com//files/img_0007_199.jpg) > http://forums.matronics.com//files/img_0006_107.jpg (http://forums.matronics.com//files/img_0006_107.jpg) > http://forums.matronics.com//files/img_0009_122.jpg (http://forums.matronics.com//files/img_0009_122.jpg) > > > > > ========== > st" target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List > ========== > http://forums.matronics.com > ========== > le, List Admin. > ="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution > ========== > > > > -- Rick Holland Castle Rock, Colorado "Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers, that smell bad" > [b] -------- Tucker Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=325372#325372


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    Time: 06:05:08 PM PST US
    From: "Charles Campbell" <cncampbell@windstream.net>
    Subject: Re: Aileron Hinge
    Thanks, that's what I was thinking. Just afraid to do it without confirmation. ----- Original Message ----- From: Rick Holland To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Sunday, January 02, 2011 7:23 PM Subject: Re: Re: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Aileron Hinge Blind nuts are attached with tiny wood screws from Home Depot (maybe #4) with a bit of epoxy on the threads before screwing them in (as recommended by Mike C.) rick On Sun, Jan 2, 2011 at 10:48 AM, Charles Campbell <cncampbell@windstream.net> wrote: Thanks, Rick. Are the anchor nuts attached with wood screws or bolts with nuts on the other end? ----- Original Message ----- From: Rick Holland To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Sunday, January 02, 2011 12:17 PM Subject: Re: Re: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Aileron Hinge Some pics of my full length piano hinge with blind nuts on he back of the spar. On Sun, Jan 2, 2011 at 7:31 AM, Charles Campbell <cncampbell@windstream.net> wrote: <cncampbell@windstream.net> Jack, OK on the screws. A couple more questions, if you don't mind. 1) What kind of captive nuts did you use on the back side of the aileron spars, 2) What is the width of the hinges in the open position, 3) Is the top of the hinge even with the top of the top rib cap or even with the top of the aileron spars -- I can't tell from the pictures. Looks like your method is the way to go. You do pretty work, by the way. Wish mine was as good. I guess I just don't take enough time and pains -- never did have any lessons in wood working and it shows. Chuck Do not archive ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jack" <jack@textors.com> To: <pietenpol-list@matronics.com> Sent: Saturday, January 01, 2011 9:52 AM Subject: RE: Re: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Aileron Hinge <jack@textors.com> MS24694's can't recall the length. When I do cover the hinges will be removed. Aileron can be separated from the wing by removing the pin. Jack -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Charles Campbell Sent: Saturday, January 01, 2011 8:13 AM To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Subject: Re: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Aileron Hinge <cncampbell@windstream.net> Jack, just wonder what kind of screws/nuts you used to fasten the piano hinge to the wood spars. do you just pull out the hinge pin to seperate the aileron from the wing or do you unscrew the hinge, cover everything, and then replace the hinge? Chuck ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jack" <jack@textors.com> To: <pietenpol-list@matronics.com> Sent: Saturday, January 01, 2011 6:46 AM Subject: RE: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Aileron Hinge <jack@textors.com> Charles, Not sure but this just worked for me http://westcoastpiet.com/images/Jack%20Textor/wing.htm Jack DSM do not archive -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Charles Campbell Sent: Saturday, January 01, 2011 4:24 AM To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Aileron Hinge <cncampbell@windstream.net> Chris, apparently the links you sent last night are bad. My computer comes up with "Page not found" on all three links. Sure you sent the correct links or is my computer screwwy? Chuck ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris" <catdesigns@att.net> To: <pietenpol-list@matronics.com> Sent: Friday, December 31, 2010 9:46 PM Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Aileron Hinge <catdesigns@att.net> Adrian Jack Textor sent some good pictures of his full span aileron hinges Jack's web page is http://www.textors.com/PietProject.htm Look for the hinge pictures near the bottom. Here are a couple of them from my web page but I think they are duplicates of his page. http://westcoastpiet.com/images/Jack%20Textor/images/9-25-08_006_800x600. jpg http://westcoastpiet.com/images/Jack%20Textor/images/Ailerons_003_800x600 .jp g Poke around his picture page on my website and you can see pictures of how he instilled them. http://westcoastpiet.com/images/Jack%20Textor/wing.htm I also did the full span hinges but haven uploaded the pictures to the website yet. Chris Sacramento, Ca Westcoastpiet.com -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of pineymb Sent: Friday, December 31, 2010 10:38 AM To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Aileron Hinge <airltd@mts.net> Jack Went into the shop this morning and took a few pictures which hopefully show enough detail of the aileron hinge setup. As you can see there is serious overkill in the size of the hinges as well as the poor alignment due to the welding of the loops. I stopped by a local hardware store and picked up various strap hinges to use as samples. The plans call for a 3" light strap which I perceive to be the length of one halve and the width being 1.25" as opposed to the 2.5" wide heavy duty hinge as shown in the pictures. Certainly like the idea of a continuous hinge which as you mentioned would involve adding two layers of 1/8" ply to the aileron beams. In your opinion would the width of shim be same as the hinge or the full width of the beam to have a flat surface for the fabric finish? Haven't had any luck finding pictures of you setup so if have any and would like to share them it would be greatly appreciated. You could forward them offline if you prefer. -------- Adrian M Winnipeg, MB Canada Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=325114#325114 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/dsc00364_978.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/dsc00362_197.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/dsc00359_105.jpg ========== st" target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List ========== http://forums.matronics.com ========== le, List Admin. ="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution ========== -- Rick Holland Castle Rock, Colorado "Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers, that smell bad" " target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List tp://forums.matronics.com _blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution -- Rick Holland Castle Rock, Colorado "Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers, that smell bad"


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    Time: 07:31:34 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: Got My Fuselage Started
    From: "kevinpurtee" <kevin.purtee@us.army.mil>
    Great job, Tucker. Appreciate the updates. You do such nice work, Jack! do not archive -------- Kevin &quot;Axel&quot; Purtee NX899KP Austin/Georgetown, TX Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=325387#325387


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    Time: 07:35:08 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: flying, finally
    From: "kevinpurtee" <kevin.purtee@us.army.mil>
    Happy New Year, Dick! Flew to Brenham, TX for the $100 hamburger today. It was chilly (I do not use the word "cold" in deference to you iron people of the north). Got to wear my lined blue-jeans she gave me for Xmas. Beautiful day with calm winds. Life is good. do not archive -------- Kevin &quot;Axel&quot; Purtee NX899KP Austin/Georgetown, TX Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=325388#325388


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    Time: 07:37:46 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: Fwd: Where are you, Mike Glasgow?
    From: "kevinpurtee" <kevin.purtee@us.army.mil>
    Not sure Gardiner. He does check this list so maybe he'll check in. do not archive -------- Kevin &quot;Axel&quot; Purtee NX899KP Austin/Georgetown, TX Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=325389#325389


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    Time: 07:39:33 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: Fwd: Where are you, Mike Glasgow?
    From: "kevinpurtee" <kevin.purtee@us.army.mil>
    Apologies - he's in Baton Rouge. again, do not archive -------- Kevin &quot;Axel&quot; Purtee NX899KP Austin/Georgetown, TX Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=325390#325390


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    Time: 07:56:35 PM PST US
    Subject: Merry Christmas and Thank You
    From: Ryan Mueller <rmueller23@gmail.com>
    Sorry for the repost, just thought this really does need to be archived.... Ryan ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Gene & Tammy <zharvey@bentoncountycable.net> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Merry Christmas and Thank You All, I wish to take a few moments and not only wish everyone a Merry Christmas, but to all, a very heart felt "Thank You" for your prayers. As Jack pointed out a few weeks ago, I am in a cancer trial that is currently putting my cancer (LeioMyoSarcoma) into remission. Very rare. There is no doubt in my mind that this is all coming about because of the prayers offered for me. I don't know how to properly thank you, but I just want you to know how much it has meant to me as I go thru the Chemo. I'm a fighter and not about to easily give up, so keep them coming! My wife and I are already planning on Broadhead 2011 (our first time there). As as soon as it warms up here I hope to start work on my shop,(it needs to be gutted and reworked, (shop is 24' X 55') getting it ready to start building. Hopefully by early summer. We'll see. The chemo is pretty hard on me but if I use the good days for building and the rough days for planning, I will make progress. I need to learn the art of wood grading and selection. I'll make the decision of which Piet I will build and what wood I will use after we attend Broadhead. I really miss N502R so it will probably be another long body, but I'm open minded. I fly every day I can (Kolb Firestar XKP), but so far, between chemo and the weather I haven't been up in several weeks. This is the best list there is. Keep it coming. Love the photos, questions and answers. So much good info coming across the screen on a daily basis. It has really helped me get thru the rough days and I learn so much. Thanks to all of you. You have been such a blessing to me. Gene In Beautiful (1/2" snow on the ground) Western Tennessee previous caretaker of N502R


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    Time: 08:00:23 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: flying, finally
    From: Ryan Mueller <rmueller23@gmail.com>
    I was far too warm working in blue jeans in Houston this week...I dunno about you TX boys. ;) Your notional son, Ryan do not archive On Sun, Jan 2, 2011 at 9:32 PM, kevinpurtee <kevin.purtee@us.army.mil>wrote: > kevin.purtee@us.army.mil> > > Happy New Year, Dick! > > Flew to Brenham, TX for the $100 hamburger today. It was chilly (I do not > use the word "cold" in deference to you iron people of the north). Got to > wear my lined blue-jeans she gave me for Xmas. > > Beautiful day with calm winds. Life is good. > > do not archive > > -------- > Kevin &quot;Axel&quot; Purtee > NX899KP > Austin/Georgetown, TX > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=325388#325388 > >


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    Time: 08:35:58 PM PST US
    From: "Dick N" <horzpool@goldengate.net>
    Subject: Re: flying, finally
    Hey Kevin Yes, winter with the cold and all is still the best time of year for flying. Not only is the air very smooth, on a good clear day below freezing, there is little risk of carb iceing. The only thing to watch out for is making slow adjustments to the throttle. My best wishes Dick N. ----- Original Message ----- From: "kevinpurtee" <kevin.purtee@us.army.mil> Sent: Sunday, January 02, 2011 9:32 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: flying, finally > <kevin.purtee@us.army.mil> > > Happy New Year, Dick! > > Flew to Brenham, TX for the $100 hamburger today. It was chilly (I do not > use the word "cold" in deference to you iron people of the north). Got to > wear my lined blue-jeans she gave me for Xmas. > > Beautiful day with calm winds. Life is good. > > do not archive > > -------- > Kevin &quot;Axel&quot; Purtee > NX899KP > Austin/Georgetown, TX > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=325388#325388 > > >


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    Time: 08:43:34 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: flying, finally
    From: Ryan Mueller <rmueller23@gmail.com>
    Congrats on being back in the air Dick! Ryan do not archive On Sun, Jan 2, 2011 at 10:33 PM, Dick N <horzpool@goldengate.net> wrote: > > Hey Kevin > Yes, winter with the cold and all is still the best time of year for > flying. Not only is the air very smooth, on a good clear day below freezing, > there is little risk of carb iceing. The only thing to watch out for is > making slow adjustments to the throttle. > My best wishes > Dick N. > ----- Original Message ----- From: "kevinpurtee" <kevin.purtee@us.army.mil > > > To: <pietenpol-list@matronics.com> > Sent: Sunday, January 02, 2011 9:32 PM > Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: flying, finally > > >> kevin.purtee@us.army.mil> >> >> Happy New Year, Dick! >> >> Flew to Brenham, TX for the $100 hamburger today. It was chilly (I do not >> use the word "cold" in deference to you iron people of the north). Got to >> wear my lined blue-jeans she gave me for Xmas. >> >> Beautiful day with calm winds. Life is good. >> >> do not archive >> >> -------- >> Kevin &quot;Axel&quot; Purtee >> NX899KP >> Austin/Georgetown, TX >> >> >> >> >> Read this topic online here: >> >> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=325388#325388 >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >




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