---------------------------------------------------------- Pietenpol-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Mon 01/03/11: 18 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 05:37 AM - Re: Fw: Where are you, Mike Glasgow? (GliderMike) 2. 07:33 AM - Re: Re: flying, finally (Don Heringhaus) 3. 08:25 AM - Re: Got My Fuselage Started (dgaldrich) 4. 09:22 AM - Re: flying, finally (Bill Church) 5. 09:45 AM - Re: Re: flying, finally (Don Heringhaus) 6. 09:46 AM - carb ice, side note (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC AEROSPACE CORP]) 7. 09:56 AM - Re: carb ice, side note (airlion) 8. 10:29 AM - Re: Re: flying, finally (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC AEROSPACE CORP]) 9. 10:59 AM - Re: flying, finally (Bill Church) 10. 11:29 AM - Re: Re: flying, finally (Rick Holland) 11. 12:30 PM - Re: Additional questions regarding split axle gear fittings (Bill Church) 12. 06:05 PM - Re: Re: Additional questions regarding split axle gear fittings (Jack) 13. 06:05 PM - W&B article (AmsafetyC@aol.com) 14. 06:51 PM - Re: Re: flying, finally (Dick N) 15. 07:05 PM - Re: Re: flying, finally (Clif Dawson) 16. 08:06 PM - Re: Got My Fuselage Started (coxwelljon) 17. 10:31 PM - Re: Build Log Survey (K5YAC) 18. 10:43 PM - Re: Additional questions regarding split axle gear fittings (K5YAC) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 05:37:10 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Fwd: Where are you, Mike Glasgow? From: "GliderMike" Hi Tim, I was in Atlanta for the month of October, but am in Baton Rouge now. I'm working for Atlantic Southeast Airlines as an A&P at their facility here in Baton Rouge. I was offered the job in Baton Rouge, before they offered Atlanta, and they rescinded the Atlanta offer, when they found out the Baton Rouge manager had called me first. I might have liked Atlanta better, because Aircraft Spruce has the East Coast store there, and also, there is some paragliding on the east side of Atlanta, and hang gliding in Chattanooga. The way things are working out, I am probably better off in Baton Rouge. -------- HOMEBUILDER Will WORK for Spruce Long flights, smooth air, and soft landings, GliderMike, aka Mike Glasgow Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=325413#325413 ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 07:33:33 AM PST US From: "Don Heringhaus" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: flying, finally Hey Dick better read up on carb ice its not just cold wx that causes it??? Temperature drops of 20 =B0C (36=B0F) or more are often encountered within the carburetor, so ice can build up even when the outside air temperature is well above freezing. Perhaps paradoxically, cold winter weather is less prone to icing, since cold air contains much less moisture. A warm day with high humidity is considered the most likely scenario for carburetor icing. Since there is less air acceleration through the carburetor at full-throttle operation, icing is usually not a problem then. Carburetor heat uses hot air drawn from the heat exchanger or heat stove (a metal plate around the exhaust manifold) to raise the temperature in the venturi section high enough to prevent or remove any ice buildup. Because hot air is less dense than cold air, engine power will drop when carburetor heat is used. ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 08:25:52 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Got My Fuselage Started From: "dgaldrich" Hi Tucker When you get the mock-up done, don't forget to sit in it and make airplane noises. Just make sure no-one can see or hear you. Of course, none of US has EVER done that..... Keep it up. You'll have it ready to solo when you turn 16 and that would be no small accomplishment. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=325433#325433 ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 09:22:22 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: flying, finally From: "Bill Church" Don, I think if you re-read Dick's post, the point he was making was that carb icing is actually LESS of a problem in cold (below freezing) winter air. Bill C. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=325440#325440 ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 09:45:15 AM PST US From: "Don Heringhaus" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: flying, finally SORRY Dick my bad as the younger folks say ''''I guess I didn't read your comment thru oh well when your over 50 ?60? 70 Thanks Bill for keeping us old coots in line Don ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 09:46:09 AM PST US From: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC AEROSPACE CORP]" Subject: Pietenpol-List: carb ice, side note Most certainly, humid days, warmer humid days are prime conditions for carb icing. Often times I'll land after flying in the summer time and you can actually see frost on the outside of the carb throat or tons of water droplets/condensation. If you put your hand on it, it feels like the carb was in a fridge ! I apply carb heat far more often than I probably should and am surprised I haven't worn out my carb heat cable yet but I'd rather over-do the heat that get caught behind with some ice build up. Mike C. ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 09:56:11 AM PST US From: airlion Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: carb ice, side note Right on Michael. I have my throttle right next to my carb heat cable and anytime I pull the throttle back the carb heat comes on. Gardiner ----- Original Message ---- From: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC AEROSPACE CORP]" Sent: Mon, January 3, 2011 12:43:54 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: carb ice, side note CORP]" Most certainly, humid days, warmer humid days are prime conditions for carb icing. Often times I'll land after flying in the summer time and you can actually see frost on the outside of the carb throat or tons of water droplets/condensation. If you put your hand on it, it feels like the carb was in a fridge ! I apply carb heat far more often than I probably should and am surprised I haven't worn out my carb heat cable yet but I'd rather over-do the heat that get caught behind with some ice build up. Mike C. ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 10:29:52 AM PST US From: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC AEROSPACE CORP]" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: flying, finally Great to hear you are back in the saddle flying again Dick !!!!! It sure does the soul good to take a nice flight. Lots cheaper than therap y, counseling, or an ex-wife too ! :) Mike C. do not archive ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 10:59:55 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: flying, finally From: "Bill Church" Hey Don, somebody's got to do it! :) Just kidding. I aspire to one day become an old coot. For now, I'll have to settle for being a middle-aged coot. Bill do not archive Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=325462#325462 ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 11:29:05 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: flying, finally From: Rick Holland Or a new wife or girlfriend. do not archive Great to hear you are back in the saddle flying again Dick !!!!! > > > It sure does the soul good to take a nice flight. Lots cheaper than > therapy, counseling, or an ex-wife too ! J > > -- Rick Holland Castle Rock, Colorado "Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers, that smell bad" ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 12:30:58 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Additional questions regarding split axle gear fittings From: "Bill Church" Hey Jack, I'm still having difficulty understanding what you mean by the gear fittings being "slanted". Can you explain more betterer? Anyway, regarding the parts you made - they look pretty good to me. I can't see the cracking you're talking about, so I assume it must be very minor. Probably very localized at the relief holes. If that's the case, then the cracks will get swallowed up and repaired by the welds, since the drawings call for a lot of welding on these little pieces. On the other hand, if the cracking is all along the 110 degree bend, then you've over-stressed the metal (too small a bend radius), and you effectively have two pieces rather than one. The assembly sketch in the drawing DOES look like the side fitting is made in two pieces, but I think that's just an illusion. The pieces you have made appear to match the drawings. I'm not really sure why the drawings appear to show welding on the inside of the bend, though, since it won't really add any strength. I understand welding on the sides of the tab, but not across the bend, which the drawing seems to show. For now, I think I'll just chalk that up to a sixteen year-old kid doing the drawings. Bill C. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=325476#325476 ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 06:05:35 PM PST US From: "Jack" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Additional questions regarding split axle gear fittings Bill, Hope this is betterer. I have two sets of plans and both show the parts slanted to the left. I think you can see in the attached picture. I was thinking this was for the curve of the bottom longeron. I made one up curved and it didn't fit as well as the straight pair I made up. It is two pieces. Honestly I don't like the design and plan to alter a bit. 110 degrees is too much with any decent radius. The bottom will be .125 4130, side and tab .090. Now my next question... What is the 1/4" hole for on ONLY the left front fitting? Thanks for your input! Back to you, Jack DSM -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill Church Sent: Monday, January 03, 2011 2:29 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Additional questions regarding split axle gear fittings Hey Jack, I'm still having difficulty understanding what you mean by the gear fittings being "slanted". Can you explain more betterer? Anyway, regarding the parts you made - they look pretty good to me. I can't see the cracking you're talking about, so I assume it must be very minor. Probably very localized at the relief holes. If that's the case, then the cracks will get swallowed up and repaired by the welds, since the drawings call for a lot of welding on these little pieces. On the other hand, if the cracking is all along the 110 degree bend, then you've over-stressed the metal (too small a bend radius), and you effectively have two pieces rather than one. The assembly sketch in the drawing DOES look like the side fitting is made in two pieces, but I think that's just an illusion. The pieces you have made appear to match the drawings. I'm not really sure why the drawings appear to show welding on the inside of the bend, though, since it won't really add any strength. I understand welding on the sides of the tab, but not across the bend, which the drawing seems to show. For now, I think I'll just chalk ! that up to a sixteen year-old kid doing the drawings. Bill C. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=325476#325476 ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 06:05:35 PM PST US From: "AmsafetyC@aol.com" Subject: Pietenpol-List: W&B article Ryan Nice job on the article it certainly provokes thought in deciding wing and gear placement and relationship. So for basic build how would suggest determining best location at the bare fuze level of construction? John Sent via DROID on Verizon Wireless ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 06:51:28 PM PST US From: "Dick N" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: flying, finally Don You and others said more clearly what I had intended on. A clear day at 25 degrees is much more prefferable than a day at 50 degrees with haze. Dick N. ----- Original Message ----- From: Don Heringhaus To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Monday, January 03, 2011 9:30 AM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: flying, finally Hey Dick better read up on carb ice its not just cold wx that causes it??? Temperature drops of 20 =B0C (36=B0F) or more are often encountered within the carburetor, so ice can build up even when the outside air temperature is well above freezing. Perhaps paradoxically, cold winter weather is less prone to icing, since cold air contains much less moisture. A warm day with high humidity is considered the most likely scenario for carburetor icing. Since there is less air acceleration through the carburetor at full-throttle operation, icing is usually not a problem then. Carburetor heat uses hot air drawn from the heat exchanger or heat stove (a metal plate around the exhaust manifold) to raise the temperature in the venturi section high enough to prevent or remove any ice buildup. Because hot air is less dense than cold air, engine power will drop when carburetor heat is used. ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 07:05:23 PM PST US From: "Clif Dawson" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: flying, finally This chart may scare the pants off you! :-) Here's a temp conversion chart to go with it. It works both ways. http://www.wbuf.noaa.gov/tempfc.htm Clif ----- Original Message ----- From: Don Heringhaus Hey Dick better read up on carb ice its not just cold wx that causes it??? Perhaps paradoxically, cold winter weather is less prone to icing, since cold air contains much less moisture. A warm day with high humidity is considered the most likely scenario for carburetor icing. ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 08:06:16 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Got My Fuselage Started From: "coxwelljon" Add to the excitement by putting one of those big square house fans up front to blow wind in your face. Great for testing your windscreen position. Keep it up Tucker! You are doing a great job. -------- Jon Coxwell GN-1 Builder Recycle and preserve the planet Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=325521#325521 ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 10:31:29 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Build Log Survey From: "K5YAC" My link is in my signature. The software was $50 and if you are a digital photo person it is a no brainer. This type of software not only allows you to share your progress with family and friends, but it keeps a running tally on your time, materials, expenses, vendors, helpers, contacts, etc. All of it in a database that can be saved and backed up. No, you can't shove notes in the back of this "three-ring binder", but you will likely accumulate a variety of paper and electronic notes during the build process. Make life easy and keep an electronic log. One more really nice thing... when it comes time for inspections, the electronic log prints out in an organized and easy to read format. I have a great Uncle that worked in the aerospace industry... he loves keeping up with my log on the web. -------- Mark Chouinard Wings, Center Section and Empannage framed up - Working on Fuselage Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=325527#325527 ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 10:43:35 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Additional questions regarding split axle gear fittings From: "K5YAC" Please, no PMs... "litter" the list... others are interested too. -------- Mark Chouinard Wings, Center Section and Empannage framed up - Working on Fuselage Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=325529#325529 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message pietenpol-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Pietenpol-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/pietenpol-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/pietenpol-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.