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1. 08:05 AM - Re: Additional questions regarding split axle gear fittings (899PM)
2. 08:59 AM - Re: Additional questions regarding split axle gear fittings (Bill Church)
3. 09:13 AM - Re: Additional questions regarding split axle gear fittings (TOM STINEMETZE)
4. 09:24 AM - Re: flying, finally (dgaldrich)
5. 10:26 AM - Re: Additional questions regarding split axle gear fittings (Bill Church)
6. 01:40 PM - Fuselage finally rolling (Jerry Dotson)
7. 01:53 PM - Re: Fuselage finally rolling (Gboothe5)
8. 02:10 PM - Re: Fuselage finally rolling (Jack Phillips)
9. 02:14 PM - Trigonometry Program (Charles Campbell)
10. 03:18 PM - Re: Fuselage finally rolling (AlRice)
11. 03:34 PM - Re: Trigonometry Program (Jim Markle)
12. 05:23 PM - Nice project for the right person... (Don Emch)
13. 06:54 PM - First Bell airplane (shad bell)
14. 07:44 PM - Re: First Bell airplane (Jim Markle)
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| Subject: | Re: Additional questions regarding split axle gear fittings |
I never noticed that "left slant" before....probably a decent attempt at the drafting
table to "unwrap" the compound curve in the fuselage.....and obviously
applicable to only one side.
Make 'em straight and don't look back!
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PAPA MIKE
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| Subject: | Re: Additional questions regarding split axle gear fittings |
Okay Jack,
I think I see your point now (or at least more bettererly than before).
My interpretation is that the parts are not intended to be out of square.
I took a close look at my copy of the plans, with a draftsman's square in hand,
and it seems that very few of the corners are actually square. Even the border
around the sheet is not at 90 degree angles - which could be for a few reasons
- one of which is that the printing is a bit skewed, and another is that the
draftsman wasn't a stickler for details. By nature, draftsmen SHOULD be sticklers
for details, since that's the main purpose of their work, but in this case,
since the plans were drawn up by an 18-year old amateur, 80 years ago (probably
on a kitchen table) I think we'll be a little less critical. I can think
of no reason why the corners would NOT be intended to be square. The fuselage
sides are parallel in this area, and the brackets are there to attach the lift
struts, which should be parallel to each other, and square to the fuselage (until
the wing gets shifted, at least).
I think your parts look just fine. Once you weld the pieces together, I think your
concerns will have disappeared. If you make the side fittings out of two pieces,
you will be relying solely on your welding to hold the two pieces together.
As for your new question, if you look at the bottom view of the landing gear (upper
right hand corner of Drawing No.3), you will notice that the shock struts
cross each other. In order for this to work, one strut must be in front of the
other. Since the axles are aligned, the offset must be at the top end, where
they meet the fuselage. When this happens, the lug for the left front fitting
will cover up the standard mounting hole - therefore the hole needs to be moved
for that particular fitting. See the attached detail.
Bill C.
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| Subject: | Re: Additional questions regarding split axle gear fittings |
Quite true Bill but also note the callout at the axle end which states
that "Shock Strut ends offset so they will pass at center." I found out
the hard way that this is quite necessary (i.e. offset at both top and
bottom.) As soon as the paint dries so I can reinstall all the parts, I
plan to post a photo or two of N328X up on it's split gear for the very
first time.
Tom Stinemetze
>>> "Bill Church" <billspiet@sympatico.ca> 1/4/2011 10:57 AM >>>
As for your new question, if you look at the bottom view of the landing
gear (upper right hand corner of Drawing No.3), you will notice that the
shock struts cross each other. In order for this to work, one strut must
be in front of the other. Since the axles are aligned, the offset must be
at the top end, where they meet the fuselage. When this happens, the lug
for the left front fitting will cover up the standard mounting hole -
therefore the hole needs to be moved for that particular fitting. See the
attached detail.
Bill C.
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| Subject: | Re: flying, finally |
Hi
Ref the above chart, please note that at 0 C with an 8 degree temperature-dewpoint
spread (NOT uncommon in winter), carb ice is not a problem.
Keep flying Dick.
Dave
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| Subject: | Re: Additional questions regarding split axle gear fittings |
Good point, Tom.
The strut connections down at the axles are also offset slightly. You do need to
look pretty closely to notice it, but it's there.
When I read that note, I assumed the note was referring to the upper connections
only, but it does refer to the axle ends as well.
Bill C.
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| Subject: | Fuselage finally rolling |
I thought I was never going to get done with the landing gear. Finally got er done.
My son is making (rolling) copper hubcaps for me. Different.
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Jerry Dotson
59 Daniel Johnson Rd
Baker, FL 32531
Started building NX510JD July, 2009
wing, tailfeathers done
using Lycoming O-235
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| Subject: | Fuselage finally rolling |
Looking might good, Jerry! Did you slant your seat back a little?
Gary
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jerry Dotson
Sent: Tuesday, January 04, 2011 1:38 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Fuselage finally rolling
<jdotson@centurylink.net>
I thought I was never going to get done with the landing gear. Finally got
er done. My son is making (rolling) copper hubcaps for me. Different.
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Jerry Dotson
59 Daniel Johnson Rd
Baker, FL 32531
Started building NX510JD July, 2009
wing, tailfeathers done
using Lycoming O-235
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| Subject: | Fuselage finally rolling |
Very nice, Jerry. Take heart from the fact that the landing gear is
absolutely the most challenging part of the entire project (closely followed
by making the windshield frames, if you go that route).
Your project is really looking nice (of course I'm somewhat prejudiced
towards straight axles and wire wheels). Looking forward to seeing it at
Brodheadin the next couple of years.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP "Icarus Plummet"
Raleigh, NC
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[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jerry Dotson
Sent: Tuesday, January 04, 2011 4:38 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Fuselage finally rolling
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I thought I was never going to get done with the landing gear. Finally got
er done. My son is making (rolling) copper hubcaps for me. Different.
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Jerry Dotson
59 Daniel Johnson Rd
Baker, FL 32531
Started building NX510JD July, 2009
wing, tailfeathers done
using Lycoming O-235
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| Subject: | Trigonometry Program |
I think it was back when we were discussing dihedral that someone put on
a post with a trig program that figures angles and sides automatically.
I inadvertently deleted mine. Can the person who did it before do it
again? This time I'll do something to keep it permanently. Thanks,
Chuck
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| Subject: | Re: Fuselage finally rolling |
Really looking good Jerry. Your progress should really start moving now.
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Al Rice
Skybolt 260
RV-9A
Helping with my grandson's Piet
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| Subject: | Re: Trigonometry Program |
Try: google.com
There are quite a few online "triginometry calculators" available.
jm
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From: Charles Campbell
Sent: Jan 4, 2011 4:11 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Trigonometry Program
I think it was back when we were discussing
dihedral that someone put on a post with a trig program that figures angles and
sides automatically. I inadvertently deleted mine. Can the person
who did it before do it again? This time I'll do something to keep it
permanently. Thanks, Chuck
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| Subject: | Nice project for the right person... |
Might not be a bad project for the right person....
http://www.aircraftpartsandsalvage.com/blog/pietenpol-project/2011/01/
Don Emch
NX899DE
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| Subject: | First Bell airplane |
Sorry if this is not directly Piet related, but I just came by this picture
of my dad (Gary, and a young 20 yrs old)-while he was home on leave from
Vietnam, with my Grandfather, and geting a chance to fly the Spezio Tu-Hol
er he helped my Grandfather build in the late 1960's-early 70's.
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Shad
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| Subject: | Re: First Bell airplane |
"Directly" Piet related or not...that's a great picture.
thanks for sharing it....
jm
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From: shad bell
Sent: Jan 4, 2011 8:44 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: First Bell airplane
Sorry if this is not directly Piet related, but I just came by this picture of
my dad (Gary, and a young 20 yrs old) while he was home on leave from Vietnam,
with my Grandfather, and geting a chance to fly the Spezio Tu-Holer he helped
my Grandfather build in the late 1960's-early 70's.
Shad
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