---------------------------------------------------------- Pietenpol-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Tue 01/04/11: 14 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 08:05 AM - Re: Additional questions regarding split axle gear fittings (899PM) 2. 08:59 AM - Re: Additional questions regarding split axle gear fittings (Bill Church) 3. 09:13 AM - Re: Additional questions regarding split axle gear fittings (TOM STINEMETZE) 4. 09:24 AM - Re: flying, finally (dgaldrich) 5. 10:26 AM - Re: Additional questions regarding split axle gear fittings (Bill Church) 6. 01:40 PM - Fuselage finally rolling (Jerry Dotson) 7. 01:53 PM - Re: Fuselage finally rolling (Gboothe5) 8. 02:10 PM - Re: Fuselage finally rolling (Jack Phillips) 9. 02:14 PM - Trigonometry Program (Charles Campbell) 10. 03:18 PM - Re: Fuselage finally rolling (AlRice) 11. 03:34 PM - Re: Trigonometry Program (Jim Markle) 12. 05:23 PM - Nice project for the right person... (Don Emch) 13. 06:54 PM - First Bell airplane (shad bell) 14. 07:44 PM - Re: First Bell airplane (Jim Markle) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 08:05:29 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Additional questions regarding split axle gear fittings From: "899PM" I never noticed that "left slant" before....probably a decent attempt at the drafting table to "unwrap" the compound curve in the fuselage.....and obviously applicable to only one side. Make 'em straight and don't look back! -------- PAPA MIKE Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=325548#325548 ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 08:59:56 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Additional questions regarding split axle gear fittings From: "Bill Church" Okay Jack, I think I see your point now (or at least more bettererly than before). My interpretation is that the parts are not intended to be out of square. I took a close look at my copy of the plans, with a draftsman's square in hand, and it seems that very few of the corners are actually square. Even the border around the sheet is not at 90 degree angles - which could be for a few reasons - one of which is that the printing is a bit skewed, and another is that the draftsman wasn't a stickler for details. By nature, draftsmen SHOULD be sticklers for details, since that's the main purpose of their work, but in this case, since the plans were drawn up by an 18-year old amateur, 80 years ago (probably on a kitchen table) I think we'll be a little less critical. I can think of no reason why the corners would NOT be intended to be square. The fuselage sides are parallel in this area, and the brackets are there to attach the lift struts, which should be parallel to each other, and square to the fuselage (until the wing gets shifted, at least). I think your parts look just fine. Once you weld the pieces together, I think your concerns will have disappeared. If you make the side fittings out of two pieces, you will be relying solely on your welding to hold the two pieces together. As for your new question, if you look at the bottom view of the landing gear (upper right hand corner of Drawing No.3), you will notice that the shock struts cross each other. In order for this to work, one strut must be in front of the other. Since the axles are aligned, the offset must be at the top end, where they meet the fuselage. When this happens, the lug for the left front fitting will cover up the standard mounting hole - therefore the hole needs to be moved for that particular fitting. See the attached detail. Bill C. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=325561#325561 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/gear_136.jpg ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 09:13:39 AM PST US From: "TOM STINEMETZE" Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Additional questions regarding split axle gear fittings Quite true Bill but also note the callout at the axle end which states that "Shock Strut ends offset so they will pass at center." I found out the hard way that this is quite necessary (i.e. offset at both top and bottom.) As soon as the paint dries so I can reinstall all the parts, I plan to post a photo or two of N328X up on it's split gear for the very first time. Tom Stinemetze >>> "Bill Church" 1/4/2011 10:57 AM >>> As for your new question, if you look at the bottom view of the landing gear (upper right hand corner of Drawing No.3), you will notice that the shock struts cross each other. In order for this to work, one strut must be in front of the other. Since the axles are aligned, the offset must be at the top end, where they meet the fuselage. When this happens, the lug for the left front fitting will cover up the standard mounting hole - therefore the hole needs to be moved for that particular fitting. See the attached detail. Bill C. ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 09:24:20 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: flying, finally From: "dgaldrich" Hi Ref the above chart, please note that at 0 C with an 8 degree temperature-dewpoint spread (NOT uncommon in winter), carb ice is not a problem. Keep flying Dick. Dave Do not archive Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=325564#325564 ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 10:26:43 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Additional questions regarding split axle gear fittings From: "Bill Church" Good point, Tom. The strut connections down at the axles are also offset slightly. You do need to look pretty closely to notice it, but it's there. When I read that note, I assumed the note was referring to the upper connections only, but it does refer to the axle ends as well. Bill C. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=325575#325575 ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 01:40:45 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Fuselage finally rolling From: "Jerry Dotson" I thought I was never going to get done with the landing gear. Finally got er done. My son is making (rolling) copper hubcaps for me. Different. -------- Jerry Dotson 59 Daniel Johnson Rd Baker, FL 32531 Started building NX510JD July, 2009 wing, tailfeathers done using Lycoming O-235 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=325589#325589 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/on_the_wheels_1_204.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/on_the_wheels_172.jpg ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 01:53:58 PM PST US From: "Gboothe5" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Fuselage finally rolling Looking might good, Jerry! Did you slant your seat back a little? Gary Do not archive -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jerry Dotson Sent: Tuesday, January 04, 2011 1:38 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Fuselage finally rolling I thought I was never going to get done with the landing gear. Finally got er done. My son is making (rolling) copper hubcaps for me. Different. -------- Jerry Dotson 59 Daniel Johnson Rd Baker, FL 32531 Started building NX510JD July, 2009 wing, tailfeathers done using Lycoming O-235 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=325589#325589 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/on_the_wheels_1_204.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/on_the_wheels_172.jpg ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 02:10:52 PM PST US From: "Jack Phillips" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Fuselage finally rolling Very nice, Jerry. Take heart from the fact that the landing gear is absolutely the most challenging part of the entire project (closely followed by making the windshield frames, if you go that route). Your project is really looking nice (of course I'm somewhat prejudiced towards straight axles and wire wheels). Looking forward to seeing it at Brodheadin the next couple of years. Jack Phillips NX899JP "Icarus Plummet" Raleigh, NC -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jerry Dotson Sent: Tuesday, January 04, 2011 4:38 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Fuselage finally rolling I thought I was never going to get done with the landing gear. Finally got er done. My son is making (rolling) copper hubcaps for me. Different. -------- Jerry Dotson 59 Daniel Johnson Rd Baker, FL 32531 Started building NX510JD July, 2009 wing, tailfeathers done using Lycoming O-235 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=325589#325589 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/on_the_wheels_1_204.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/on_the_wheels_172.jpg ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 02:14:54 PM PST US From: "Charles Campbell" Subject: Pietenpol-List: Trigonometry Program I think it was back when we were discussing dihedral that someone put on a post with a trig program that figures angles and sides automatically. I inadvertently deleted mine. Can the person who did it before do it again? This time I'll do something to keep it permanently. Thanks, Chuck ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 03:18:13 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Fuselage finally rolling From: "AlRice" Really looking good Jerry. Your progress should really start moving now. -------- Al Rice Skybolt 260 RV-9A Helping with my grandson's Piet Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=325602#325602 ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 03:34:44 PM PST US From: Jim Markle Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Trigonometry Program Try: google.com There are quite a few online "triginometry calculators" available. jm -----Original Message----- From: Charles Campbell Sent: Jan 4, 2011 4:11 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Trigonometry Program I think it was back when we were discussing dihedral that someone put on a post with a trig program that figures angles and sides automatically. I inadvertently deleted mine. Can the person who did it before do it again? This time I'll do something to keep it permanently. Thanks, Chuck ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 05:23:32 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Nice project for the right person... From: "Don Emch" Might not be a bad project for the right person.... http://www.aircraftpartsandsalvage.com/blog/pietenpol-project/2011/01/ Don Emch NX899DE Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=325611#325611 ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 06:54:20 PM PST US From: shad bell Subject: Pietenpol-List: First Bell airplane Sorry if this is not directly Piet related, but I just came by this picture of my dad (Gary, and a young 20 yrs old)-while he was home on leave from Vietnam, with my Grandfather, and geting a chance to fly the Spezio Tu-Hol er he helped my Grandfather build in the late 1960's-early 70's. - Shad - -=0A=0A=0A ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 07:44:54 PM PST US From: Jim Markle Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: First Bell airplane "Directly" Piet related or not...that's a great picture. thanks for sharing it.... jm -----Original Message----- From: shad bell Sent: Jan 4, 2011 8:44 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: First Bell airplane Sorry if this is not directly Piet related, but I just came by this picture of my dad (Gary, and a young 20 yrs old) while he was home on leave from Vietnam, with my Grandfather, and geting a chance to fly the Spezio Tu-Holer he helped my Grandfather build in the late 1960's-early 70's. 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