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4. 07:14 AM - Re: Re: Dillsburg Aeroplane Works (Charles Campbell)
5. 08:11 AM - Re: Dillsburg Aeroplane Works (K5YAC)
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10. 03:40 PM - Wood Gear Cable Placement (Michael Perez)
11. 03:51 PM - Arrow Fest Comes to an End (Michael Perez)
12. 03:58 PM - Re: Wood Gear Cable Placement (Ryan Mueller)
13. 04:53 PM - Re: Dillsburg Aeroplane Works (K5YAC)
14. 04:53 PM - Re: Re: Dillsburg Aeroplane Works (shad bell)
15. 05:02 PM - Re: Wood Gear Cable Placement (helspersew@aol.com)
16. 06:02 PM - Re: Dillsburg Aeroplane Works (K5YAC)
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25. 07:49 PM - Australian Builders...? (PatrickW)
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Subject: | Re: Dillsburg Aeroplane Works |
I had similar problems with Dillsburg. I had been told that I could buy
4130 sheet for the same price that Dillsbug sells to Aircraft Spruce. Not
true. On the steel I bought from Dillsburg I could have gotten 1/3 more
from A/S at a lower price. I threw his flyer away.
----- Original Message -----
From: "K5YAC" <hangar10@cox.net>
Sent: Sunday, January 09, 2011 12:20 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Dillsburg Aeroplane Works
>
> I?Tm relatively new to this game so I don?Tt want to seem like I?Tm
> complaining, but I felt that I should share my experience with Charles
> Vogelsong and The Dillsburg Aeroplane Works in order to save others the
> frustration that a friend and I recently went through. Back in November I
> spent several days on the phone with Mr. Vogelsong in an attempt to get
> accurate quotes on several lengths of 4130 tubing. My friend and I
> combined our material lists in order to save on shipping... a small order
> from what we were told (over 30 full lengths and nearly $1800), but none
> the less it was everything we would need to complete our projects... and
> then some. Mr. Vogelsong does not have e-mail... as many of you know,
> everything must be confirmed by phone and then faxed to him. How he
> manages to supply Aircraft Spruce, Wicks and other vendors (his claim) is
> beyond me. Anyhow, with our sizes, quantities and final quotes nailed
> down, we faxed it over to him... all neatly typed in sp!
> readsheet format. A Marine and an Army paratrooper... oh yeah, it was
> organized... heck, my six year old could have understood it.
>
> A week or so goes by and I get a call from my friend... time to meet at
> his place to unload the truck. We opened the carton and were surprised to
> find that much of the material was severely scratched... one piece even
> had a major dent near the center. Wow! This isn?Tt the top notch stuff
> we were told about. In addition to that, we were short several pieces,
> but received more than we requested of other sizes... the prices that we
> were quoted had changed too. We were scratching our heads at this point,
> thinking this certainly must have been an honest mistake. My friend
> offered to call Mr. Vogelsong to sort things out, which he did... when he
> described what we had found to Vogelsong his reply was, ?oso, what do you
> want me to do about it?? My friend told him that we would like the
> pieces that we were shorted, to which he replied, ?odon?Tt have em...
> might not have those sizes until February.? Well, a fine time to tell
> us! He continued to ask, ?oWhat do you wan!
> t me to do about it?? Not as if he really wanted to work on a
> compromise, it was more as if he couldn?Tt care less about us lowly
> builders trying to scrape up the parts for our flying machines. I?Tm not
> sure if he is struggling with his age or what... I?Tve heard nothing but
> good things about his operation and had looked forward to buying from him,
> but this was the last time either of us will do business with Dillsburg.
> I hope others have better experiences, but for anyone considering buying
> from this guy, being detailed and thorough isn?Tt enough... he obviously
> doesn?Tt care the way that he once did. Too bad, his outfit had a good
> reputation.
>
> --------
> Mark Chouinard
> Wings, Center Section and Empannage framed up - Working on Fuselage
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=326079#326079
>
>
>
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Subject: | Re: Dillsburg Aeroplane Works |
Can't speak to Dillsburg, but here in the Midwest KC Airparts is great!
Always friendly and helpful. Fair prices and for me one day UPS ground
shipping. They are fantastic! http://www.airpartsinc.com
Jack
DSM
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Charles
Campbell
Sent: Sunday, January 09, 2011 6:28 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Dillsburg Aeroplane Works
<cncampbell@windstream.net>
I had similar problems with Dillsburg. I had been told that I could buy
4130 sheet for the same price that Dillsbug sells to Aircraft Spruce. Not
true. On the steel I bought from Dillsburg I could have gotten 1/3 more
from A/S at a lower price. I threw his flyer away.
----- Original Message -----
From: "K5YAC" <hangar10@cox.net>
Sent: Sunday, January 09, 2011 12:20 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Dillsburg Aeroplane Works
>
> I?Tm relatively new to this game so I don?Tt want to seem like I?Tm
> complaining, but I felt that I should share my experience with Charles
> Vogelsong and The Dillsburg Aeroplane Works in order to save others the
> frustration that a friend and I recently went through. Back in November I
> spent several days on the phone with Mr. Vogelsong in an attempt to get
> accurate quotes on several lengths of 4130 tubing. My friend and I
> combined our material lists in order to save on shipping... a small order
> from what we were told (over 30 full lengths and nearly $1800), but none
> the less it was everything we would need to complete our projects... and
> then some. Mr. Vogelsong does not have e-mail... as many of you know,
> everything must be confirmed by phone and then faxed to him. How he
> manages to supply Aircraft Spruce, Wicks and other vendors (his claim) is
> beyond me. Anyhow, with our sizes, quantities and final quotes nailed
> down, we faxed it over to him... all neatly typed in sp!
> readsheet format. A Marine and an Army paratrooper... oh yeah, it was
> organized... heck, my six year old could have understood it.
>
> A week or so goes by and I get a call from my friend... time to meet at
> his place to unload the truck. We opened the carton and were surprised to
> find that much of the material was severely scratched... one piece even
> had a major dent near the center. Wow! This isn?Tt the top notch stuff
> we were told about. In addition to that, we were short several pieces,
> but received more than we requested of other sizes... the prices that we
> were quoted had changed too. We were scratching our heads at this point,
> thinking this certainly must have been an honest mistake. My friend
> offered to call Mr. Vogelsong to sort things out, which he did... when he
> described what we had found to Vogelsong his reply was, ?oso, what do you
> want me to do about it?? My friend told him that we would like the
> pieces that we were shorted, to which he replied, ?odon?Tt have em...
> might not have those sizes until February.? Well, a fine time to tell
> us! He continued to ask, ?oWhat do you wan!
> t me to do about it?? Not as if he really wanted to work on a
> compromise, it was more as if he couldn?Tt care less about us lowly
> builders trying to scrape up the parts for our flying machines. I?Tm not
> sure if he is struggling with his age or what... I?Tve heard nothing but
> good things about his operation and had looked forward to buying from him,
> but this was the last time either of us will do business with Dillsburg.
> I hope others have better experiences, but for anyone considering buying
> from this guy, being detailed and thorough isn?Tt enough... he obviously
> doesn?Tt care the way that he once did. Too bad, his outfit had a good
> reputation.
>
> --------
> Mark Chouinard
> Wings, Center Section and Empannage framed up - Working on Fuselage
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=326079#326079
>
>
>
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Subject: | Re: Dillsburg Aeroplane Works |
I Have bought steel from Dillsburg and was tickled pink with their prices,
however I only bought 4130 tubing.=C2- They were at least 25% cheaper or
so.=C2- The deal is, you get a better price if you buy entire lengths of
tubing, anywhere from 10-14 ft or so.=C2- He cut mine for shipping at no
charge and it keeps his job eaiser since he doesn't need to keep restocking
the short pieces of tube.=C2- As far as sheet I don't know how he compar
es, but for tubing his prices are the best around.
=C2-
Shad
--- On Sun, 1/9/11, Charles Campbell <cncampbell@windstream.net> wrote:
From: Charles Campbell <cncampbell@windstream.net>
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Dillsburg Aeroplane Works
ream.net>
I had similar problems with Dillsburg.=C2- I had been told that I could b
uy 4130 sheet for the same price that Dillsbug sells to Aircraft Spruce.=C2
- Not true.=C2- On the steel I bought from Dillsburg I could have gotte
n 1/3 more from A/S at a lower price.=C2- I threw his flyer away.
----- Original Message ----- From: "K5YAC" <hangar10@cox.net>
Sent: Sunday, January 09, 2011 12:20 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Dillsburg Aeroplane Works
>
> I=C3=A2?Tm relatively new to this game so I don=C3=A2?Tt want to seem lik
e I=C3=A2?Tm complaining, but I felt that I should share my experience with
Charles Vogelsong and The Dillsburg Aeroplane Works in order to save other
s the frustration that a friend and I recently went through.=C2- Back in
November I spent several days on the phone with Mr. Vogelsong in an attempt
to get accurate quotes on several lengths of 4130 tubing.=C2- My friend
and I combined our material lists in order to save on shipping... a small o
rder from what we were told (over 30 full lengths and nearly $1800), but no
ne the less it was everything we would need to complete our projects... and
then some.=C2- Mr. Vogelsong does not have e-mail... as many of you know
, everything must be confirmed by phone and then faxed to him.=C2- How he
manages to supply Aircraft Spruce, Wicks and other vendors (his claim) is
beyond me.=C2- Anyhow, with our sizes, quantities and final quotes nailed
down, we faxed it over
to him... all neatly typed in sp!
> readsheet format.=C2- A Marine and an Army paratrooper... oh yeah, it w
as organized... heck, my six year old could have understood it.
>
> A week or so goes by and I get a call from my friend... time to meet at h
is place to unload the truck.=C2- We opened the carton and were surprised
to find that much of the material was severely scratched... one piece even
had a major dent near the center.=C2- Wow!=C2- This isn=C3=A2?Tt the t
op notch stuff we were told about.=C2- In addition to that, we were short
several pieces, but received more than we requested of other sizes... the
prices that we were quoted had changed too.=C2- We were scratching our he
ads at this point, thinking this certainly must have been an honest mistake
.=C2- My friend offered to call Mr. Vogelsong to sort things out, which h
e did... when he described what we had found to Vogelsong his reply was,
=C3=A2?oso, what do you want me to do about it?=C3=A2?=EF=BD=C2- My fr
iend told him that we would like the pieces that we were shorted, to which
he replied, =C3=A2?odon=C3=A2?Tt have em... might not have those sizes unti
l February.=C3=A2?=EF=BD=C2- Well, a fine time to tell
us!=C2- He continued to ask, =C3=A2?oWhat do you wan!
> t me to do about it?=C3=A2?=EF=BD=C2- Not as if he really wanted to
work on a compromise, it was more as if he couldn=C3=A2?Tt care less about
us lowly builders trying to scrape up the parts for our flying machines.=C2
- I=C3=A2?Tm not sure if he is struggling with his age or what... I=C3=A2
?Tve heard nothing but good things about his operation and had looked forwa
rd to buying from him, but this was the last time either of us will do busi
ness with Dillsburg. I hope others have better experiences, but for anyone
considering buying from this guy, being detailed and thorough isn=C3=A2?Tt
enough... he obviously doesn=C3=A2?Tt care the way that he once did.=C2-
Too bad, his outfit had a good reputation.
>
> --------
> Mark Chouinard
> Wings, Center Section and Empannage framed up - Working on Fuselage
>
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=326079#326079
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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Subject: | Re: Dillsburg Aeroplane Works |
Jack, I did a bit of comparative shopping. In most things, Airparts is
cheaper than A/S -- in some the reverse is true. ie AN3-11 (drilled) bolt
is 0.30 at Airparts and 0.49 at A/S. AN3-11A (undrilled) A/S is 0.18 where
Airparts is 0.20. Airparts sells 7X19 3/32 cable for 0.34 where A/S is 0.87
(Airparts doesn't list 7X7 3/32 cable). In the future I will check both
before I order. Unfortunately, I have already bought stuff from A/S that I
could possibly have gotten cheaper at Airparts. Thanks for the link.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jack" <jack@textors.com>
Sent: Sunday, January 09, 2011 8:21 AM
Subject: RE: Re: Pietenpol-List: Dillsburg Aeroplane Works
>
> Can't speak to Dillsburg, but here in the Midwest KC Airparts is great!
> Always friendly and helpful. Fair prices and for me one day UPS ground
> shipping. They are fantastic! http://www.airpartsinc.com
> Jack
> DSM
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Charles
> Campbell
> Sent: Sunday, January 09, 2011 6:28 AM
> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Dillsburg Aeroplane Works
>
> <cncampbell@windstream.net>
>
> I had similar problems with Dillsburg. I had been told that I could buy
> 4130 sheet for the same price that Dillsbug sells to Aircraft Spruce. Not
> true. On the steel I bought from Dillsburg I could have gotten 1/3 more
> from A/S at a lower price. I threw his flyer away.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "K5YAC" <hangar10@cox.net>
> To: <pietenpol-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Sunday, January 09, 2011 12:20 AM
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Dillsburg Aeroplane Works
>
>
>>
>> I?Tm relatively new to this game so I don?Tt want to seem like I?Tm
>> complaining, but I felt that I should share my experience with Charles
>> Vogelsong and The Dillsburg Aeroplane Works in order to save others the
>> frustration that a friend and I recently went through. Back in November
>> I
>
>> spent several days on the phone with Mr. Vogelsong in an attempt to get
>> accurate quotes on several lengths of 4130 tubing. My friend and I
>> combined our material lists in order to save on shipping... a small order
>> from what we were told (over 30 full lengths and nearly $1800), but none
>> the less it was everything we would need to complete our projects... and
>> then some. Mr. Vogelsong does not have e-mail... as many of you know,
>> everything must be confirmed by phone and then faxed to him. How he
>> manages to supply Aircraft Spruce, Wicks and other vendors (his claim) is
>> beyond me. Anyhow, with our sizes, quantities and final quotes nailed
>> down, we faxed it over to him... all neatly typed in sp!
>> readsheet format. A Marine and an Army paratrooper... oh yeah, it was
>> organized... heck, my six year old could have understood it.
>>
>> A week or so goes by and I get a call from my friend... time to meet at
>> his place to unload the truck. We opened the carton and were surprised
>> to
>
>> find that much of the material was severely scratched... one piece even
>> had a major dent near the center. Wow! This isn?Tt the top notch stuff
>> we were told about. In addition to that, we were short several pieces,
>> but received more than we requested of other sizes... the prices that we
>> were quoted had changed too. We were scratching our heads at this point,
>> thinking this certainly must have been an honest mistake. My friend
>> offered to call Mr. Vogelsong to sort things out, which he did... when he
>> described what we had found to Vogelsong his reply was, ?oso, what do
>> you
>
>> want me to do about it?? My friend told him that we would like the
>> pieces that we were shorted, to which he replied, ?odon?Tt have em...
>> might not have those sizes until February.? Well, a fine time to tell
>> us! He continued to ask, ?oWhat do you wan!
>> t me to do about it?? Not as if he really wanted to work on a
>> compromise, it was more as if he couldn?Tt care less about us lowly
>> builders trying to scrape up the parts for our flying machines. I?Tm
>> not
>
>> sure if he is struggling with his age or what... I?Tve heard nothing but
>> good things about his operation and had looked forward to buying from
>> him,
>
>> but this was the last time either of us will do business with Dillsburg.
>> I hope others have better experiences, but for anyone considering buying
>> from this guy, being detailed and thorough isn?Tt enough... he obviously
>> doesn?Tt care the way that he once did. Too bad, his outfit had a good
>> reputation.
>>
>> --------
>> Mark Chouinard
>> Wings, Center Section and Empannage framed up - Working on Fuselage
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Read this topic online here:
>>
>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=326079#326079
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
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Subject: | Re: Dillsburg Aeroplane Works |
Jack... Airparts was also recommended, and I have their catalog on hand too. I
will keep it handy in the future.
Shad... All the tubing we ordered was in full lenghts (18-20 feet), which was way
more than we needed, but the price breaks were enticing so we were willing
to buy more and pay freight. Vogelsong lectured me several times at great length
about his desire to sell full lengths rather than cut lengths, which would
require him to restock the drop. Bottom line there is that he has no idea what
he has on the rack, and he even told me so. There obviously aren't enough yellow
pads at Office Depot to keep track of the mess he has going... another reason
he might have considered a computer in the mid to late 80s. Time to give
that fax machine the ol heave-ho! Can't imagine what his desk must look like.
We spoke almost daily for over a week due to his changing quotes and availability
issues, but each time I had to remind him who I was, spell my name, etc.
Might be a little sad if it weren't my time and money that I was spending.
I priced steel tube at Dillsburg, Wicks, AS&S, Airparts, Trident Metals and E.M.
Jorgensen. Dillsburg was by far the cheapest, but it means absolutely nothing
if the product isn't available or if it arrives in unusable condition. I lack
two sizes of tubing, which I will be ordering from AS&S today. Yes, a little
more expensive than Dillsburg, but the second cheapest vendor on these particular
sizes. This material might have originated from Dilsburg, but will it
be the same scratched and damaged stuff that WE received? I doubt that AS&S
or other reputable vendors would accept such garbage. If I did receive junky
stuff from AS&S, I'm confident that their people would do whatever they could
to make things right... a spar comes to mind.
In my profession, the products we make must work properly. If they fail to perform
accurately and reliably, people lose lots of money... worst case, their lives.
No one cares about cheap... they care about reliability... if we tried
to sell a crappy product our business would suffer... the same is true for Dillsburg.
This thread illustrates a small sample of the feedback I've received...
several have sent me direct e-mails stating similar experiences. I appreciate
the fact the Mr. Vogelsong is a veteran of WWII, and that he has an interesting
backgroung in experimenting and supplying good products for our hobby, but
he should consider getting some help in the front office, maybe even the Internet,
which shouldn't add too much to his overhead and might make his catalog
and ordering department more accessable. I mean really, most of us have to
go out of our way to find a fax machine nowadays, and it is NO way to carry on
a conversation.
I'm not trying to pound on Dillsburg, but there are enough hurdles and problems
to solve in this type of project. Not to mention that one of the reasons that
I am building is economy... I don't appreciate getting ripped off. I am also
the newsletter editor for our EAA chapter, and I am sharing this same information
in this months issue with well over 100 members. Heck, I don't want them
getting ripped off either! Hopefully some of them will discuss or repost this
information in their circles or on their forums. Woops! Ya burnt a paratrooper
that likes to type Mr. Vogelsong... bad idea.
--------
Mark Chouinard
Wings, Center Section and Empannage framed up - Working on Fuselage
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=326105#326105
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Subject: | Re: Dillsburg Aeroplane Works |
I guess he didn't remind you that he's the largest importer/supplier in the
country and controls all of the 4130 supply in the country. That was a bit
hard to swallow for me, but after speaking with him and listening to just
how unfriendly and un leaning towards customer service he was, and thatt
whole fax quote business.I decided not to order and if I really needed to
buy from him I would go there and pick up what I needed. Fortunately I haven't
had to do that so far.
I understand from others that you would be better served to speak with his
son rather then him. Apparently from what I have been told his son has a
much better grasp on being cordial with the public.
John
In a message dated 1/9/2011 11:11:39 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
hangar10@cox.net writes:
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "K5YAC" <hangar10@cox.net>
Jack... Airparts was also recommended, and I have their catalog on hand
too. I will keep it handy in the future.
Shad... All the tubing we ordered was in full lenghts (18-20 feet), which
was way more than we needed, but the price breaks were enticing so we were
willing to buy more and pay freight. Vogelsong lectured me several times
at great length about his desire to sell full lengths rather than cut
lengths, which would require him to restock the drop. Bottom line there is that
he has no idea what he has on the rack, and he even told me so. There
obviously aren't enough yellow pads at Office Depot to keep track of the mess
he
has going... another reason he might have considered a computer in the mid
to late 80s. Time to give that fax machine the ol heave-ho! Can't
imagine what his desk must look like. We spoke almost daily for over a week due
to his changing quotes and availability issues, but each time I had to
remind him who I was, spell my name, etc. Might be a little sad if it weren't
my time and money that I was spending.
I priced steel tube at Dillsburg, Wicks, AS&S, Airparts, Trident Metals
and E.M. Jorgensen. Dillsburg was by far the cheapest, but it means
absolutely nothing if the product isn't available or if it arrives in unusable
condition. I lack two sizes of tubing, which I will be ordering from AS&S
today. Yes, a little more expensive than Dillsburg, but the second cheapest
vendor on these particular sizes. This material might have originated from
Dilsburg, but will it be the same scratched and damaged stuff that WE
received? I doubt that AS&S or other reputable vendors would accept such
garbage. If I did receive junky stuff from AS&S, I'm confident that their people
would do whatever they could to make things right... a spar comes to mind.
In my profession, the products we make must work properly. If they fail
to perform accurately and reliably, people lose lots of money... worst case,
their lives. No one cares about cheap... they care about reliability...
if we tried to sell a crappy product our business would suffer... the same
is true for Dillsburg. This thread illustrates a small sample of the
feedback I've received... several have sent me direct e-mails stating similar
experiences. I appreciate the fact the Mr. Vogelsong is a veteran of WWII,
and that he has an interesting backgroung in experimenting and supplying
good products for our hobby, but he should consider getting some help in the
front office, maybe even the Internet, which shouldn't add too much to his
overhead and might make his catalog and ordering department more accessable.
I mean really, most of us have to go out of our way to find a fax machine
nowadays, and it is NO way to carry on a conversation.
I'm not trying to pound on Dillsburg, but there are enough hurdles and
problems to solve in this type of project. Not to mention that one of the
reasons that I am building is economy... I don't appreciate getting ripped
off. I am also the newsletter editor for our EAA chapter, and I am sharing
this same information in this months issue with well over 100 members. Heck,
I don't want them getting ripped off either! Hopefully some of them will
discuss or repost this information in their circles or on their forums.
Woops! Ya burnt a paratrooper that likes to type Mr. Vogelsong... bad idea.
--------
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I had always heard great things about Dillsburg, but purposely always avoid
ed them for all the potential problems I expected with them not having a we
bsight etc. It wasn't worth it to me.
Dan Helsper
Poplar Grove, IL.
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Subject: | Re: definition of UHMW for Ray |
Thanks, Ken. I have saved your name/address for future reference.
Ray Krause
----- Original Message -----
From: "KM Heide CPO/FAAOP" <kmheidecpo@yahoo.com>
Sent: Friday, January 07, 2011 1:44 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: definition of UHMW for Ray
> <kmheidecpo@yahoo.com>
>
>
> I have plenty to go around if someone is looking for this material. We
> have a surplus store that purchased 100's of pounds of this stuff in all
> thicknesses.
>
> Ken Heide
> Fargo, ND
>
>
> --- On Fri, 1/7/11, DOMIT <rx7_ragtop@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>> From: DOMIT <rx7_ragtop@yahoo.com>
>> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: definition of UHMW for Ray
>> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
>> Date: Friday, January 7, 2011, 11:33 AM
>> --> Pietenpol-List message posted
>> by: "DOMIT" <rx7_ragtop@yahoo.com>
>>
>> Here is how you source this stuff easily: Go to
>> WalMart... or your local grocery store... or the dollar
>> store. Find cutting boards. That's the white
>> ones.
>>
>> --------
>> Brad "DOMIT" Smith
>>
>> First rule of ground school: This is the ground...
>> don't hit it going fast.
>>
>>
>>
>>
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Carson,heres a pic of the bracket,dave
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Subject: | Wood Gear Cable Placement |
I assume from looking at the plans and seeing pictures of some wood gear Pi
etenpols, that the gear cables are run from one side of the fuselage/gear t
o the other only. I was thinking of running my cables not only side to side
but front to back. So the front left fuselage attachment would connect to
the gear at the right rear. I realize this is not nessisary, but would this
be harmfull? I would think the cables in this fashion would help keep the
gear from racking for and aft. (Not that this is a problem-with the Piete
npol.)
Michael Perez
Karetaker Aero
www.karetakeraero.com
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Subject: | Arrow Fest Comes to an End |
Monday is my first day back to work in almost a month. Arrow Fest was a gre
at success, although I did not get as much done on the gear as I had hoped.
It is a lot more involved then I ventured to guess. My tail wheel assembly
...started prior to my vacation... is 99% done and I have the fuselage and
deck angle rigged in the shop. The-four gear legs are done...not shaped y
et... and the assembly is attached to the fuselage.-I am working on the m
etal straps that attach to the wing struts and fitting them to the fuselage
/gear fittings.
-
I have one wheel assembly loose laced and the rim, hub, spokes and nipples
for the other on hand.
-
I will post pictures if anyone is interested.
-
I have some questions that need to be answered before I proceed to much fur
ther. (Postings to come.)
-
All in all a great build session...wish I had a few more of them this year.
-
Michael Perez
Karetaker Aero
www.karetakeraero.com
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Subject: | Re: Wood Gear Cable Placement |
Which begs the question....why are you trying to solve a problem that you
admit does not exist? :)
Ryan
do not archive
On Sun, Jan 9, 2011 at 5:38 PM, Michael Perez <speedbrake@sbcglobal.net>wrote:
> I assume from looking at the plans and seeing pictures of some wood gear
> Pietenpols, that the gear cables are run from one side of the
> fuselage/gear to the other only. I was thinking of running my cables not
> only side to side but front to back. So the front left fuselage attachment
> would connect to the gear at the right rear. I realize this is not
> nessisary, but would this be harmfull? I would think the cables in this
> fashion would help keep the gear from racking for and aft. (Not that this is
> a problem with the Pietenpol.)
>
> Michael Perez
> Karetaker Aero
> www.karetakeraero.com
>
> *
>
> *
>
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Subject: | Re: Dillsburg Aeroplane Works |
Oh yeah, he made sure that I was well aware of his status in the 4130 realm. I
really didn't mind that so much... just took it as coming from an old fella that
was proud of his accomplishments. Had I known that his mind was stuck in
the glory years I might have asked to speak to someone else, or not bothered to
call at all.
[quote="Amsafetyc"]I guess he didn't remind you that he's the largest importer/supplier
in the country and controls all of the 4130 supply in the country. That
was a bit hard to swallow for me, but after speaking with him and listening
to just how unfriendly and un leaning towards customer service he was, and
thatt whole fax quote business.I decided not to order and if I really needed
to buy from him I would go there and pick up what I needed. Fortunately I haven't
had to do that so far.
I understand from others that you would be better served to speak with his son
rather then him. Apparently from what I have been told his son has a much better
grasp on being cordial with the public.
John
In a message dated 1/9/2011 11:11:39 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, hangar10@cox.net
writes:
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "K5YAC"
>
> Jack... Airparts was also recommended, and I have their catalog on hand too.
I will keep it handy in the future.
>
> Shad... All the tubing we ordered was in full lenghts (18-20 feet), which
was way more than we needed, but the price breaks were enticing so we were
willing to buy more and pay freight. Vogelsong lectured me several times at
great length about his desire to sell full lengths rather than cut lengths,
which would require him to restock the drop. Bottom line there is that
he has no idea what he has on the rack, and he even told me so. There obviously
aren't enough yellow pads at Office Depot to keep track of the mess he
has going... another reason he might have considered a computer in the mid
to late 80s. Time to give that fax machine the ol heave-ho! Can't imagine
what his desk must look like. We spoke almost daily for over a week due
to his changing quotes and availability issues, but each time I had to remind
him who I was, spell my name, etc. Might be a little sad if it weren't
my time and money that I was spending.
>
> I priced steel tube at Dillsburg, Wicks, AS&S, Airparts, Trident Metals and
E.M. Jorgensen. Dillsburg was by far the cheapest, but it means absolutely
nothing if the product isn't available or if it arrives in unusable condition.
I lack two sizes of tubing, which I will be ordering from AS&S today.
Yes, a little more expensive than Dillsburg, but the second cheapest vendor
on these particular sizes. This material might have originated from Dilsburg,
but will it be the same scratched and damaged stuff that WE received?
I doubt that AS&S or other reputable vendors would accept such garbage.
If I did receive junky stuff from AS&S, I'm confident that their people would
do whatever they could to make things right... a spar comes to mind.
>
> In my profession, the products we make must work properly. If they fail to
perform accurately and reliably, people lose lots of money... worst case,
their lives. No one cares about cheap... they care about reliability...
if we tried to sell a crappy product our business would suffer... the same is
true for Dillsburg. This thread illustrates a small sample of the feedback
I've received... several have sent me direct e-mails stating similar
experiences. I appreciate the fact the Mr. Vogelsong is a veteran of WWII,
and that he has an interesting backgroung in experimenting and supplying good
products for our hobby, but he should consider getting some help in the
front office, maybe even the Internet, which shouldn't add too much to his
overhead and might make his catalog and ordering department more accessable.
I mean really, most of us have to go out of our way to find a fax machine
nowadays, and it is NO way to carry on a conversation.
>
> I'm not trying to pound on Dillsburg, but there are enough hurdles and problems
to solve in this type of project. Not to mention that one of the reasons
that I am building is economy... I don't appreciate getting ripped off.
I am also the newsletter editor for our EAA chapter, and I am sharing this
same information in this months issue with well over 100 members. Heck,
I don't want them getting ripped off either! Hopefully some of them will
discuss or repost this information in their circles or on their forums. Woops!
Ya burnt a paratrooper that likes to type Mr. Vogelsong... bad idea.
>
> --------
> Mark Chouinard
> Wings, Center Section and Empannage framed up - Working on Fuselage
>
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=326105#326105==============================================
>
>
>
>
> [b]
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Subject: | Re: Dillsburg Aeroplane Works |
Mark, I understand your frustration.- I will consider your experiance bef
ore ordering any more material from Dillsburg.- I kinda picked up on his
"attitude" when I ordered from him last year.- I kinda thought he was jus
t the typical grumpy ole man.- I never had to deal with what your going t
hrough.- Just another note, when I talked to him he did mention that all
his tubing came fresh off the boat from...GULP... China.- So I kind of wo
nder what kind of quality control that stuff has.- He claims it meets mil
-spec but who knows for sure.- It is what it is, live and learn.- Keep
on plugging away at the Piet and have fun in the process.
-
Shad
-
P.S.- a fax machine is one step above a western union telegram, and two s
teps above a smoke signal.=0A=0A=0A
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Subject: | Re: Wood Gear Cable Placement |
Michael,
By your own admission, these cables are not necessary, so why would you wan
t them on there?
Dan Helsper
Poplar Grove, IL.
-----Original Message-----
From: Michael Perez <speedbrake@sbcglobal.net>
Sent: Sun, Jan 9, 2011 5:41 pm
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Wood Gear Cable Placement
I assume from looking at the plans and seeing pictures of some wood gear Pi
etenpols, that the gear cables are run from one side of the fuselage/gear t
o the other only. I was thinking of running my cables not only side to side
but front to back. So the front left fuselage attachment would connect to
the gear at the right rear. I realize this is not nessisary, but would this
be harmfull? I would think the cables in this fashion would help keep the
gear from racking for and aft. (Not that this is a problem with the Pietenp
ol.)
Michael Perez
Karetaker Aero
www.karetakeraero.com
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Subject: | Re: Dillsburg Aeroplane Works |
Even though it should be an obvious conclusion since we have outsourced most of
our industrial capability, and they are our favorite supplier of everything from
Happy Meal toys to secret missile technology (stolen then sold back)... I
really didn't need to know that he actually said that. :-(
aviatorbell(at)yahoo.com wrote:
>
> Just another note, when I talked to him he did mention that all his tubing came
fresh off the boat from...GULP... China.
>
> Shad
> [b]
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Subject: | Ken Perkins Tail Wheel Assembly |
I have a K. P Steerable, 360 Deg. rotation available for far less than new.
Contact me on my Email Address , if interested.
Pieti Lowell
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Subject: | corvair fifth bearing upgrade |
hello all,
after talking with Jack Phillips the other night about my upgrade to
the Roy Szarafinski fifth bearing and the reason for it, he thought with so
many people considering the corvair for their piets,that I should share my
experience with the list.
after 188 hours engine time on my piet I had a crankshaft
break,luckily it happened during the run up on the ground.but before anyone gets
nervous about their decision to use the corvair I should tell everyone that
before the plane was finished and while I was doing the engine test runs I did
not have the tail secured properly and it nosed over and got the prop in the
pavement.I ruined a beautiful brand new tn. prop,(what a sick feeling) I
got the tail back down and the engine shut off before it choked the engine
down.so I thought maybe being a wood prop and that I didn't kill the engine
it would be o k. so I didn't tear it down and have the crank checked.
So my feeling is had it not been for the prop strike there probably
would not have been a crank failure in my pietenpol however I had been
considering upgrading to a fifth bearing just for the extra peace of mind. and
I
think if I were at that stage of building I would go ahead and make the
investment in one.
I really like my corvair and since the addition of the fifth bearing it
is really a smooth running engine,and I would not hesitate on using one
again,as a matter of fact I plan on using one on the sonex I am building now.
And let me add any time you have a prop strike of any kind play it safe
and get the crank checked!
Randy Bush
NX294RB
( Miss Le Bec )
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Subject: | off shore tubing |
Hello everyone on the Piet list. I just finished doing some machine work
on the 4130 chromoly tubing that I received from my supplier in Portland
Or.for axles It is chinese in origin and although my supplier assured me
that it was made to the same astm spec. as the USA made stuff is, the
following is what happened. I machined my axles 16 inches in from each
end approximately .0025 to make them round which they are still not
perfectly round and in the process of cutting the outside surface off
discovered a crack that ran almost 2.5" length ways in the tubing. I am
very diapponted in the quality of this off-shore tubing and will be
replacing this tubing hopefully with USA made on Monday. Also from
previous experience, this metal did not cut butter smooth like the rest
of the 4130 that I am accustomed to using. We tried many combinations of
cutting tools and different speeds to no avail. Very difficult to work
with.
Ernie Moreno
Piet 2431
----- Original Message -----
From: Michael Perez
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, January 09, 2011 3:38 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Wood Gear Cable Placement
I assume from looking at the plans and seeing pictures of some
wood gear Pietenpols, that the gear cables are run from one side of the
fuselage/gear to the other only. I was thinking of running my cables not
only side to side but front to back. So the front left fuselage
attachment would connect to the gear at the right rear. I realize this
is not nessisary, but would this be harmfull? I would think the cables
in this fashion would help keep the gear from racking for and aft. (Not
that this is a problem with the Pietenpol.)
Michael Perez
Karetaker Aero
www.karetakeraero.com
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Subject: | off shore tubing |
INTERESTING!
Jack
DSM
Do not archive
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ernie Moreno
Sent: Sunday, January 09, 2011 8:17 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: off shore tubing
Hello everyone on the Piet list. I just finished doing some machine work on
the 4130 chromoly tubing that I received from my supplier in Portland Or.for
axles It is chinese in origin and although my supplier assured me that it
was made to the same astm spec. as the USA made stuff is, the following is
what happened. I machined my axles 16 inches in from each end approximately
.0025 to make them round which they are still not perfectly round and in the
process of cutting the outside surface off discovered a crack that ran
almost 2.5" length ways in the tubing. I am very diapponted in the quality
of this off-shore tubing and will be replacing this tubing hopefully with
USA made on Monday. Also from previous experience, this metal did not cut
butter smooth like the rest of the 4130 that I am accustomed to using. We
tried many combinations of cutting tools and different speeds to no avail.
Very difficult to work with.
Ernie Moreno
Piet 2431
----- Original Message -----
From: Michael <mailto:speedbrake@sbcglobal.net> Perez
Sent: Sunday, January 09, 2011 3:38 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Wood Gear Cable Placement
I assume from looking at the plans and seeing pictures of some wood gear
Pietenpols, that the gear cables are run from one side of the fuselage/gear
to the other only. I was thinking of running my cables not only side to side
but front to back. So the front left fuselage attachment would connect to
the gear at the right rear. I realize this is not nessisary, but would this
be harmfull? I would think the cables in this fashion would help keep the
gear from racking for and aft. (Not that this is a problem with the
Pietenpol.)
Michael Perez
Karetaker Aero
www.karetakeraero.com
href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List">http://www.matronic
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Subject: | Re: corvair fifth bearing upgrade |
Howdy Randy
Did you have your original crank nitrided? I have a factory nitrided crank
and have been concidering the Weisman 5th bearing (just an extra $1100).
Very few Piet Corvairs have 5th bearings but it seems most non-Piet (higher
speed and rpm) corvairs have them.
rick
On Sun, Jan 9, 2011 at 7:00 PM, <RBush96589@aol.com> wrote:
> hello all,
> after talking with Jack Phillips the other night about my upgrade to the
> Roy Szarafinski fifth bearing and the reason for it, he thought with so
> many people considering the corvair for their piets,that I should share my
> experience with the list.
> after 188 hours engine time on my piet I had a crankshaft break,luckily
> it happened during the run up on the ground.but before anyone gets nervous
> about their decision to use the corvair I should tell everyone that before
> the plane was finished and while I was doing the engine test runs I did not
> have the tail secured properly and it nosed over and got the prop in the
> pavement.I ruined a beautiful brand new tn. prop,(what a sick feeling) I
> got the tail back down and the engine shut off before it choked the engine
> down.so I thought maybe being a wood prop and that I didn't kill the engine
> it would be o k. so I didn't tear it down and have the crank checked.
> So my feeling is had it not been for the prop strike there probably
> would not have been a crank failure in my pietenpol however I had been
> considering upgrading to a fifth bearing just for the extra peace of mind.
> and I think if I were at that stage of building I would go ahead and make
> the investment in one.
> I really like my corvair and since the addition of the fifth bearing it is
> really a smooth running engine,and I would not hesitate on using one
> again,as a matter of fact I plan on using one on the sonex I am building
> now.
> And let me add any time you have a prop strike of any kind play it safe
> and get the crank checked!
>
> Randy Bush
>
>
NX294RB
>
> ( Miss Le Bec )
>
> *
>
> *
>
>
--
Rick Holland
Castle Rock, Colorado
"Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers, that smell bad"
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Subject: | Re: off shore tubing |
Is any 4130 tubing is produced in the US?
On Sun, Jan 9, 2011 at 7:16 PM, Ernie Moreno <ewmoreno@minetfiber.com>wrote:
> Hello everyone on the Piet list. I just finished doing some machine work
> on the 4130 chromoly tubing that I received from my supplier in Portland
> Or.for axles It is chinese in origin and although my supplier assured me
> that it was made to the same astm spec. as the USA made stuff is, the
> following is what happened. I machined my axles 16 inches in from each end
> approximately .0025 to make them round which they are still not perfectly
> round and in the process of cutting the outside surface off discovered a
> crack that ran almost 2.5" length ways in the tubing. I am very diapponted
> in the quality of this off-shore tubing and will be replacing this tubing
> hopefully with USA made on Monday. Also from previous experience, this metal
> did not cut butter smooth like the rest of the 4130 that I am accustomed to
> using. We tried many combinations of cutting tools and different speeds to
> no avail. Very difficult to work with.
>
> Ernie Moreno
> Piet 2431
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> *From:* Michael Perez <speedbrake@sbcglobal.net>
> *To:* pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> *Sent:* Sunday, January 09, 2011 3:38 PM
> *Subject:* Pietenpol-List: Wood Gear Cable Placement
>
> I assume from looking at the plans and seeing pictures of some wood gear
> Pietenpols, that the gear cables are run from one side of the
> fuselage/gear to the other only. I was thinking of running my cables not
> only side to side but front to back. So the front left fuselage attachment
> would connect to the gear at the right rear. I realize this is not
> nessisary, but would this be harmfull? I would think the cables in this
> fashion would help keep the gear from racking for and aft. (Not that this is
> a problem with the Pietenpol.)
>
> Michael Perez
> Karetaker Aero
> www.karetakeraero.com
>
> *
>
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Subject: | Re: off shore tubing |
I was going to buy the USA stuff but was assured by my supplier that the
off shore stuff met the specs.. and that it was much more reasonable in
price. We are building five aircraft with Pietenpol style landing gear
My supplier said that if would cost 30% more in cost (USA supplied).
I'll will report back the list after I make inquires on Monday to the
outcome of this setback.
Ernie Moreno
Piet 2431
---- Original Message -----
From: Rick Holland
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, January 09, 2011 7:02 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: off shore tubing
Is any 4130 tubing is produced in the US?
On Sun, Jan 9, 2011 at 7:16 PM, Ernie Moreno <ewmoreno@minetfiber.com>
wrote:
Hello everyone on the Piet list. I just finished doing some machine
work on the 4130 chromoly tubing that I received from my supplier in
Portland Or.for axles It is chinese in origin and although my supplier
assured me that it was made to the same astm spec. as the USA made stuff
is, the following is what happened. I machined my axles 16 inches in
from each end approximately ..0025 to make them round which they are
still not perfectly round and in the process of cutting the outside
surface off discovered a crack that ran almost 2.5" length ways in the
tubing. I am very diapponted in the quality of this off-shore tubing and
will be replacing this tubing hopefully with USA made on Monday. Also
from previous experience, this metal did not cut butter smooth like the
rest of the 4130 that I am accustomed to using. We tried many
combinations of cutting tools and different speeds to no avail. Very
difficult to work with.
Ernie Moreno
Piet 2431
----- Original Message -----
From: Michael Perez
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, January 09, 2011 3:38 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Wood Gear Cable Placement
I assume from looking at the plans and seeing pictures of
some wood gear Pietenpols, that the gear cables are run from one side of
the fuselage/gear to the other only. I was thinking of running my cables
not only side to side but front to back. So the front left fuselage
attachment would connect to the gear at the right rear. I realize this
is not nessisary, but would this be harmfull? I would think the cables
in this fashion would help keep the gear from racking for and aft. (Not
that this is a problem with the Pietenpol.)
Michael Perez
Karetaker Aero
www.karetakeraero.com
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Subject: | Re: off shore tubing |
Thanks Ernie,
Sorry you have to go through this, but appreciate whatever you find
out. If you find a supplier of good US tubing, please let us know.
Kip Gardner
On Jan 9, 2011, at 10:17 PM, Ernie Moreno wrote:
> I was going to buy the USA stuff but was assured by my supplier that
> the off shore stuff met the specs.. and that it was much more
> reasonable in price. We are building five aircraft with Pietenpol
> style landing gear My supplier said that if would cost 30% more in
> cost (USA supplied). I'll will report back the list after I make
> inquires on Monday to the outcome of this setback.
>
> Ernie Moreno
> Piet 2431
>
> ---- Original Message -----
> From: Rick Holland
> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> Sent: Sunday, January 09, 2011 7:02 PM
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: off shore tubing
>
> Is any 4130 tubing is produced in the US?
>
> On Sun, Jan 9, 2011 at 7:16 PM, Ernie Moreno
> <ewmoreno@minetfiber.com> wrote:
> Hello everyone on the Piet list. I just finished doing some machine
> work on the 4130 chromoly tubing that I received from my supplier in
> Portland Or.for axles It is chinese in origin and although my
> supplier assured me that it was made to the same astm spec. as the
> USA made stuff is, the following is what happened. I machined my
> axles 16 inches in from each end approximately ..0025 to make them
> round which they are still not perfectly round and in the process of
> cutting the outside surface off discovered a crack that ran almost
> 2.5" length ways in the tubing. I am very diapponted in the quality
> of this off-shore tubing and will be replacing this tubing hopefully
> with USA made on Monday. Also from previous experience, this metal
> did not cut butter smooth like the rest of the 4130 that I am
> accustomed to using. We tried many combinations of cutting tools and
> different speeds to no avail. Very difficult to work with.
>
> Ernie Moreno
> Piet 2431
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Michael Perez
> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> Sent: Sunday, January 09, 2011 3:38 PM
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Wood Gear Cable Placement
>
> I assume from looking at the plans and seeing pictures of some wood
> gear Pietenpols, that the gear cables are run from one side of the
> fuselage/gear to the other only. I was thinking of running my cables
> not only side to side but front to back. So the front left fuselage
> attachment would connect to the gear at the right rear. I realize
> this is not nessisary, but would this be harmfull? I would think the
> cables in this fashion would help keep the gear from racking for and
> aft. (Not that this is a problem with the Pietenpol.)
>
> Michael Perez
> Karetaker Aero
> www.karetakeraero.com
>
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Subject: | Australian Builders...? |
Any Piet builders in Australia who would like to get together for a visit in a
couple months...?
My wife and I will be celebrating her 50th birthday in Cairns, Queensland, after
which we'll slowly be making our way overland down to Sydney. We've enjoyed
meeting fellow builders and have met some really good people at various places
here in the US, but we've not had the opportunity to go to Australia before.
Here's some of the stuff I'm working on: http://picasaweb.google.com/Patrick.hoyt
Can reply to me off line at pwhoyt(at)yahoo.com
Thanks,
- Patrick Hoyt
pwhoyt(at)yahoo.com
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601XLb/Corvair
N63PZ - 99.999% done....
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Subject: | Re: Wood Gear Cable Placement |
Not only is it not necessary, it would interfere with axle travel. Plus,
if you look at the cable connections from a top view you will see that
they are pretty much already doing what you propose.
Greg C.
----- Original Message -----
From: Michael Perez
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, January 09, 2011 5:38 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Wood Gear Cable Placement
I assume from looking at the plans and seeing pictures of some
wood gear Pietenpols, that the gear cables are run from one side of the
fuselage/gear to the other only. I was thinking of running my cables not
only side to side but front to back. So the front left fuselage
attachment would connect to the gear at the right rear. I realize this
is not nessisary, but would this be harmfull? I would think the cables
in this fashion would help keep the gear from racking for and aft. (Not
that this is a problem with the Pietenpol.)
Michael Perez
Karetaker Aero
www.karetakeraero.com
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Subject: | Re: corvair fifth bearing upgrade |
Hi Rick,
yes it was a nitrided crank.How is your plane coming along?You gonna make
Brodhead this year?
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Subject: | Re: wing bracket |
Thanks Dave
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Subject: | Re: Australian Builders...? |
Patrick I would love to but I am moving to Perth in Feb otherwise I would be on
your route to syd
You are welcome to pop over to Perth
Carson
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Subject: | Re: corvair fifth bearing upgrade |
Randy
Should be ready to fly in early summer, probably won't have the 40 hours
flown off by Broadhead but will be there to see all you guys one way or
another.
rick
On Sun, Jan 9, 2011 at 9:11 PM, <RBush96589@aol.com> wrote:
> Hi Rick,
> yes it was a nitrided crank.How is your plane coming along?You gonna make
> Brodhead this year?
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Subject: | Corvair Challenges and 5th Bearing |
Hello - while flying the other day I noticed the motor had a bit of a vibration
and was down about 150 RPM. After troubleshooting, it appears I've lost compression
in cylinder 3. I checked with my best engine friend and he suspects there's
a burnt valve. I'm going to AZ tomorrow for a couple of months so I cannot
continue the troubleshooting process right now. When I get back I'll figure
out what's going on and update everyone.
Since the plane's down hard I've decided to go ahead and add Dan Weseman's 5th
bearing. I was going to do it in 2009 before the first flight but was not willing
to wait for the parts. Dan has them in stock now. The kit is actually at
the post office waiting to be picked up.
Anyway, the plane runs amazingly well on 5 cylinders. Heck, it doesn't do too
bad on 4, at least at idle. We're up to 178 hours.
Peace,
Kevin
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NX899KP
Austin/Georgetown, TX
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Subject: | Re: corvair fifth bearing upgrade |
Thanks for the update Randy. I wanna be cool like you and Rick so I'm doing it
too [Wink]
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NX899KP
Austin/Georgetown, TX
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Subject: | Re: Australian Builders...? |
Hi Patrick...we are in Tamworth which is mid way between Brisbane and Sydney and
about 3 hours inland. You guys are welcome to visit here anytime! Im not that
advanced but maybe by then...lol
Scotty
www.scottyspietenpol.com
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Scotty
Tamworth, Australia
Building a Corvair Powered Pietenpol Air Camper
www.scottyspietenpol.com
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