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1. 04:24 AM - Re: Adjustable Wood Wing Strut Fitting (Jerry Dotson)
2. 04:31 AM - Re: Re: Trim set ups (Jack)
3. 05:55 AM - BPA article (Oscar Zuniga)
4. 06:05 AM - wood struts and a question (Douwe Blumberg)
5. 06:14 AM - Re: wood struts and a question (Jack Phillips)
6. 07:02 AM - Re: Trim set ups (kevinpurtee)
7. 07:03 AM - Re: Trim set ups (kevinpurtee)
8. 07:16 AM - Re: Adjustable Wood Wing Strut Fitting (kevinpurtee)
9. 07:38 AM - Re: Re: Adjustable Wood Wing Strut Fitting (Kimball Isaac)
10. 08:08 AM - rudder bar (bender)
11. 09:16 AM - User fees 2011 - USA - OT (Michael Krzciok)
12. 10:06 AM - Re: rudder bar (bender)
13. 10:08 AM - Re: wood struts and a question (Greg Cardinal)
14. 10:34 AM - Re: rudder bar (Rick Holland)
15. 10:36 AM - Re: wood struts and a question (bradandlinda tds.net)
16. 10:48 AM - Re: Trim set ups (Rick Holland)
17. 10:54 AM - Re: Re: Trim set ups (Rick Holland)
18. 11:02 AM - Re: wing strut fork ends (kevinpurtee)
19. 11:27 AM - Re: Re: wing strut fork ends (Rick Holland)
20. 11:34 AM - Re: Re: wing strut fork ends (Ryan Mueller)
21. 11:41 AM - Re: Re: wing strut fork ends (Kip and Beth Gardner)
22. 12:04 PM - Re: Adjustable Wood Wing Strut Fitting (Bill Church)
23. 12:12 PM - Nosebowl question. (Ken Chambers)
24. 12:27 PM - Re: Nosebowl question. (Ryan Mueller)
25. 12:42 PM - Re: Nosebowl question. (Kip and Beth Gardner)
26. 01:09 PM - Re: Nosebowl question. (Ryan Mueller)
27. 01:45 PM - Re: runway length? (Kringle)
28. 01:53 PM - Re: Trim set ups (Charles Campbell)
29. 02:00 PM - Re: Trim set ups (kevinpurtee)
30. 02:01 PM - Re: Trim set ups (kevinpurtee)
31. 02:03 PM - LG at last (Dennis Engelkenjohn)
32. 02:04 PM - Re: Nosebowl question. (Ken Chambers)
33. 02:26 PM - Re: Nosebowl question. (Kip and Beth Gardner)
34. 02:28 PM - Re: rudder bar (bender)
35. 02:44 PM - Re: LG at last (TOM STINEMETZE)
36. 03:00 PM - Re: Nosebowl question. (KM Heide CPO/FAAOP)
37. 03:08 PM - Re: Nosebowl question. (Bill Church)
38. 03:10 PM - Re: runway length? (Kringle)
39. 03:21 PM - Re: Re: Corvair Valve issue (shad bell)
40. 03:33 PM - Re: Re: runway length? (Matthew VanDervort)
41. 03:33 PM - LG at last (Dennis Engelkenjohn)
42. 03:39 PM - Ski pictures (Don Emch)
43. 03:45 PM - Re: Ski pictures (Don Emch)
44. 03:47 PM - Re: Nosebowl question. (Bill Church)
45. 03:47 PM - Re: Ski pictures (Don Emch)
46. 04:06 PM - Re: runway length? (Jerry Dotson)
47. 04:46 PM - Re: Nosebowl question. (Ken Chambers)
48. 06:51 PM - Re: Ski pictures (Dick N)
49. 07:31 PM - Re: Nosebowl question. (Clif Dawson)
50. 07:47 PM - Re: Nosebowl question. (Ken Chambers)
51. 07:47 PM - Re: Re: runway length? (Matthew VanDervort)
52. 08:02 PM - Re: Re: runway length? (Andrew M Eldredge)
53. 09:21 PM - Re: Re: wing strut fork ends (Rick Holland)
54. 09:34 PM - Re: Trim set ups (Rick Holland)
55. 09:51 PM - Re: Re: Trim set ups (Rick Holland)
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Subject: | Re: Adjustable Wood Wing Strut Fitting |
I was told that N3513 is in a museum at Lakeland, FL. Look at the landing gear
on that bad boy on Chris Tracy's Westcoast Piet site. My ol' daddy would say "That
is too much triggerwork" as was his saying for anything with complexity.
do not archive
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Jerry Dotson
59 Daniel Johnson Rd
Baker, FL 32531
Started building NX510JD July, 2009
wing, tailfeathers done, fuselage rolling
using Lycoming O-235
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Subject: | Re: Trim set ups |
Rick,
I too have considered this type setup. A concern was the differential
pressure on the elevators since they are not connected. Would like to hear
from any flying examples.
Jack
DSM
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[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rick Holland
Sent: Wednesday, January 12, 2011 8:12 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Trim set ups
Electric trim on a Piet? You must be kidding!
On Wed, Jan 12, 2011 at 3:22 PM, <brian.e.jardine@l-3com.com> wrote:
I believe it's time for a fresh thread.... Could those of you with trim
systems "flying and not" please post pics of your trim tab, and your trim
adjustment mechanism in the cockpit. Thanks.
Brian
SLC-UT
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G'day, Pieters;
I've been out of pocket for a week and a half on a dive trip to
Bonaire, but arrived back home to find my BPA Newsletter. I am
extremely embarrassed that Doc ran a picture of Ernie Moreno's
airplane not with Ernie in it, but instead with ME in the cockpit,
grinning like an idiot. Sorry, Ernie... but in fact, sitting in the
cockpit of Ernie's airplane that day sometime in 2001 was what
set me on the path to loving Piets and eventually owning one.
I have not read my Newsletter yet... only looked at the pictures...
like a child with a coloring book. It's always a good day when I
find my Newsletter in the mailbox!
And to second what Clif said and wrote, I have heard it said that
"those who say it can't be done should stay out of the way of those
who are doing it." I am fortunate to know a couple of you who are
exactly the type who get it done.
Oscar Zuniga
Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
San Antonio, TX
website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
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Subject: | wood struts and a question |
For all you guys flying with Continentals, a question.
I=92m in the midst of the new cowling and would appreciated any input
regarding engine access doors etc. What has worked, what was
unnecessary
and what do you wish you had done?
Re the wood strut thing. There are many Piets which have flown for many
years with wood lift and cabane struts. The two highest time ones I
know of
from the eighties and ninties were Alan Weise=92s famous plane which
ended up
with over 1,000 hrs on it, and Will Graf=92s Ford powered Piet which
flew for
years.
My wood struts came through the ground- loop- flip- over- incident very
well
and are unharmed.
Mine are built like Axels in that a strip of =BC=94 ply is sandwiched
between
two pieces of doug fir. Technically however, if the chosen wood is spar
material, laminations shouldn=92t be needed as wood is already a
laminate,
except for peace of mind about hidden flaws.
Douwe
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Subject: | wood struts and a question |
Give yourself plenty of room to remove the oil cap/dipstick. I wish my
cowling wasn=92t quite as tight around that
Jack Phillips
NX899JP =93Icarus Plummet=94
Raleigh, NC
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[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Douwe
Blumberg
Sent: Thursday, January 13, 2011 9:03 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: wood struts and a question
For all you guys flying with Continentals, a question.
I=92m in the midst of the new cowling and would appreciated any input
regarding engine access doors etc. What has worked, what was
unnecessary
and what do you wish you had done?
Re the wood strut thing. There are many Piets which have flown for many
years with wood lift and cabane struts. The two highest time ones I
know of
from the eighties and ninties were Alan Weise=92s famous plane which
ended up
with over 1,000 hrs on it, and Will Graf=92s Ford powered Piet which
flew for
years.
My wood struts came through the ground- loop- flip- over- incident very
well
and are unharmed.
Mine are built like Axels in that a strip of =BC=94 ply is sandwiched
between
two pieces of doug fir. Technically however, if the chosen wood is spar
material, laminations shouldn=92t be needed as wood is already a
laminate,
except for peace of mind about hidden flaws.
Douwe
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Subject: | Re: Trim set ups |
Certainly more elegant then the bungee cord wrapped around the stick in the front
seat:)
Sure has been easy and trouble-free, though.
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Kevin "Axel" Purtee
NX899KP
Austin/Georgetown, TX
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Subject: | Re: Trim set ups |
Hey Rick, now you gotta come up with an emergency procedure for runaway trim!:)
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Austin/Georgetown, TX
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Subject: | Re: Adjustable Wood Wing Strut Fitting |
Man, y'all don't use ME as an example! I've done so many things wrong per this
list and per the other experts it amazes me the airplane flies at all!
[Wink]
love you guys
do not archive
Axel
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Subject: | Re: Adjustable Wood Wing Strut Fitting |
"cellulose reinforced lignin composite"
I've heard its good choice of material in piet building. Makes it easier to
appear "period correct" than some of the other composites ;-) Incidentally
its my first choice for my project
Kim
On 2011-01-12 11:33 PM, "Clif Dawson" <CDAWSON5854@shaw.ca> wrote:
>
>
> I just found the March 1970 Sport Flying mag with the
> article on this plane. It's Clyde Buckley's. It appears
> that the tip bows have been left off leaving a flat tip.
> There's no plate there. I've never liked those things.
> I think they're supremely ugly and I notice nobody
> is using them. There are other things that are, like
> drooped tips and winglets. It makes me wonder why.
>
> Even flat tips like these look, to me anyway, kind of
> sawed off, unfinished.
>
> Oh, by the way, has anyone ever heard of "cellulose
> reinforced lignin composite"?
>
> Clif
>
>
>>
>> Hey Clif
>> I know its late and I'm rubbing my eyes but are those horner wingtips on
N3513 if so do they really make a difference?
>> Kim
>
>
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It looks like the rudder bar travel is about 3 inches by the dimensions on the
plans.....am i wrong ?
jeff
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Subject: | User fees 2011 - USA - OT |
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that is ... three..maybe three and a half inches in each direction from center..
jeff
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Subject: | Re: wood struts and a question |
The cowling takes a lot of abuse in the propwash and is prone to "oil
canning" which leads to cracks, loose rivets, chafing, etc...
Beading near the edges will help stiffen the cowling and it will look
great.
Jacks comment about oil dipstick access is right on.
Greg C.
----- Original Message -----
From: Douwe Blumberg
To: pietenpolgroup
Sent: Thursday, January 13, 2011 8:02 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: wood struts and a question
For all you guys flying with Continentals, a question.
I'm in the midst of the new cowling and would appreciated any input
regarding engine access doors etc. What has worked, what was
unnecessary and what do you wish you had done?
Re the wood strut thing. There are many Piets which have flown for
many years with wood lift and cabane struts. The two highest time ones
I know of from the eighties and ninties were Alan Weise's famous plane
which ended up with over 1,000 hrs on it, and Will Graf's Ford powered
Piet which flew for years.
My wood struts came through the ground- loop- flip- over- incident
very well and are unharmed.
Mine are built like Axels in that a strip of =BC" ply is sandwiched
between two pieces of doug fir. Technically however, if the chosen wood
is spar material, laminations shouldn't be needed as wood is already a
laminate, except for peace of mind about hidden flaws.
Douwe
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Mine moves 5 1/4" stop to stop measured at the end. This moves the rudder
side to side to within about an inch from touching the elevators.
rick
On Thu, Jan 13, 2011 at 9:06 AM, bender <jfaith@solairusaviation.com> wrote:
> jfaith@solairusaviation.com>
>
> It looks like the rudder bar travel is about 3 inches by the dimensions on
> the plans.....am i wrong ?
>
> jeff
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=326882#326882
>
>
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Rick Holland
Castle Rock, Colorado
"Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers, that smell bad"
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Subject: | Re: wood struts and a question |
Dear Douwe, I have a Cont A-65 on my Aircamper NX29NX. The cowling is
basically a J-3 cowling. I think it looks good and works well. Be sure to
have an easy access for the oil dipstick, oil quick drain, and the
gasolator drain. You can pull up NX29NX and see how it looks. Brad
Williams "Oh For Piet's Sake"
On Thu, Jan 13, 2011 at 12:06 PM, Greg Cardinal <gcardinal@comcast.net>wrot
e:
> The cowling takes a lot of abuse in the propwash and is prone to "oil
> canning" which leads to cracks, loose rivets, chafing, etc...
>
> Beading near the edges will help stiffen the cowling and it will look
> great.
>
> Jacks comment about oil dipstick access is right on.
>
> Greg C.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> *From:* Douwe Blumberg <douweblumberg@earthlink.net>
> *To:* pietenpolgroup <pietenpol-list@matronics.com>
> *Sent:* Thursday, January 13, 2011 8:02 AM
> *Subject:* Pietenpol-List: wood struts and a question
>
> For all you guys flying with Continentals, a question.
>
>
> I=92m in the midst of the new cowling and would appreciated any input
> regarding engine access doors etc. What has worked, what was unnecessary
> and what do you wish you had done?
>
>
> Re the wood strut thing. There are many Piets which have flown for many
> years with wood lift and cabane struts. The two highest time ones I know
of
> from the eighties and ninties were Alan Weise=92s famous plane which ende
d up
> with over 1,000 hrs on it, and Will Graf=92s Ford powered Piet which flew
for
> years.
>
>
> My wood struts came through the ground- loop- flip- over- incident very
> well and are unharmed.
>
>
> Mine are built like Axels in that a strip of =BC=94 ply is sandwiched bet
ween
> two pieces of doug fir. Technically however, if the chosen wood is spar
> material, laminations shouldn=92t be needed as wood is already a laminate
,
> except for peace of mind about hidden flaws.
>
>
> Douwe
>
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Subject: | Re: Trim set ups |
Yup, crank snapping/valve eatin corvair. Tain't cheap though:
http://www.rayallencompany.com/products/trimsystems.html
Just a big RC-type servo and an up/down switch with a high tech looking
digital position readout. It actually fits totally within the flipper with
no bulges poking out of the fabric (see attached). Yes you will really
impress your buds at Brodhead by being the first to show up with an electri
c
trim Piet.
rick
On Wed, Jan 12, 2011 at 8:02 PM, Kip and Beth Gardner <
kipandbeth@earthlink.net> wrote:
> Now I seen ever-thang! Seriously, it makes sense if you have an electric
al
> system already (like a crank-snappin' Corvair), and if it weighs less tha
n
> the mechanical alternatives.
>
> How about some details? I kind of like it.
>
> Kip G.
>
> On Jan 12, 2011, at 9:11 PM, Rick Holland wrote:
>
> Electric trim on a Piet? You must be kidding!
>
>
> On Wed, Jan 12, 2011 at 3:22 PM, <brian.e.jardine@l-3com.com> wrote:
>
>> I believe it=92s time for a fresh thread=85=85=85. Could those of you wi
th trim
>> systems =93flying and not=94 please post pics of your trim tab, and you
r trim
>> adjustment mechanism in the cockpit. Thanks.
>>
>>
>>
>> Brian
>>
>> SLC-UT
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> Castle Rock, Colorado
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Subject: | Re: Trim set ups |
Actually Kevin I view the elec trim as a redundant elevator control. Back in
the old days, in addition to practicing engine out emergencies, I used to
have my advanced students attempt aileron and elevator out emergency
approaches, only rudder and elevator trim.
On Thu, Jan 13, 2011 at 8:01 AM, kevinpurtee <kevin.purtee@us.army.mil>wrote:
> kevin.purtee@us.army.mil>
>
> Hey Rick, now you gotta come up with an emergency procedure for runaway
> trim!:)
>
> --------
> Kevin "Axel" Purtee
> NX899KP
> Austin/Georgetown, TX
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=326871#326871
>
>
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"Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers, that smell bad"
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Subject: | Re: wing strut fork ends |
Man, Larry. I thought I was the only one terrified to fly my own plane. Since
I've got the valve-eating, crank-snapping corvair I'm not sure if just burning
it will be enough. I'll have to bury it and then plow and salt the earth above
the spot. Maybe have an exorcism for good measure?
Different subject: I'm so very much looking forward to the Austin-Brodhead-Austin
adventure again this year. The only drama (well-documented) from last year
was pilot-induced.
do not archive
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NX899KP
Austin/Georgetown, TX
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Subject: | Re: wing strut fork ends |
Don't forget to burn your plans and spread the ashes. Some poor slob may
find them and build another crank snappin/valve eatin/out of spec Piet and
then have to burn it too.
On Thu, Jan 13, 2011 at 11:59 AM, kevinpurtee <kevin.purtee@us.army.mil>wrote:
> kevin.purtee@us.army.mil>
>
> Man, Larry. I thought I was the only one terrified to fly my own plane.
> Since I've got the valve-eating, crank-snapping corvair I'm not sure if
> just burning it will be enough. I'll have to bury it and then plow and salt
> the earth above the spot. Maybe have an exorcism for good measure?
>
> Different subject: I'm so very much looking forward to the
> Austin-Brodhead-Austin adventure again this year. The only drama
> (well-documented) from last year was pilot-induced.
>
> do not archive
>
> --------
> Kevin "Axel" Purtee
> NX899KP
> Austin/Georgetown, TX
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=326908#326908
>
>
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Castle Rock, Colorado
"Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers, that smell bad"
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Subject: | Re: wing strut fork ends |
Kevin,
It will be most excellent to see you at Brodhead again this year. Just a
word of advice.....even if you do all that, someone will dig the engine up
and want to use it for a Corvaircraft conversion. :)
Ryan
do not archive
On Thu, Jan 13, 2011 at 12:59 PM, kevinpurtee <kevin.purtee@us.army.mil>wrote:
> kevin.purtee@us.army.mil>
>
> Man, Larry. I thought I was the only one terrified to fly my own plane.
> Since I've got the valve-eating, crank-snapping corvair I'm not sure if
> just burning it will be enough. I'll have to bury it and then plow and salt
> the earth above the spot. Maybe have an exorcism for good measure?
>
> Different subject: I'm so very much looking forward to the
> Austin-Brodhead-Austin adventure again this year. The only drama
> (well-documented) from last year was pilot-induced.
>
> do not archive
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> Kevin "Axel" Purtee
> NX899KP
> Austin/Georgetown, TX
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Subject: | Re: wing strut fork ends |
Hell, given the gravity of the threat, a small nuclear device is
probably in order.
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On Jan 13, 2011, at 2:24 PM, Rick Holland wrote:
> Don't forget to burn your plans and spread the ashes. Some poor slob
may find them and build another crank snappin/valve eatin/out of spec
Piet and then have to burn it too.
>
> On Thu, Jan 13, 2011 at 11:59 AM, kevinpurtee
<kevin.purtee@us.army.mil> wrote:
<kevin.purtee@us.army.mil>
>
> Man, Larry. I thought I was the only one terrified to fly my own
plane. Since I've got the valve-eating, crank-snapping corvair I'm not
sure if just burning it will be enough. I'll have to bury it and then
plow and salt the earth above the spot. Maybe have an exorcism for good
measure?
>
> Different subject: I'm so very much looking forward to the
Austin-Brodhead-Austin adventure again this year. The only drama
(well-documented) from last year was pilot-induced.
>
> do not archive
>
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> Kevin "Axel" Purtee
> NX899KP
> Austin/Georgetown, TX
>
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Subject: | Re: Adjustable Wood Wing Strut Fitting |
If you're an EAA member, you can get free access to scanned copies of all the old
Sport Aviation magazines. N3513 was featured in an article in July 1969, written
by the original builder. In the article, there is a bit about the struts
- apparently 1/4" ply sandwiched between two layers of 3/8" Douglas Fir. Also,
the strut fittings were made of .065 4130 steel, with steel bushings through
the wood at each bolt location.
Gotta agree whole-heartedly with Clif on the wingtip thing. The plans-built tips
are elegant. I have not seen a variation that looks anywhere nearly as good.
In looking through old magazine and newsletter articles I recall seeing references
to builders installing spill plates - back in the sixties, I think (and
seem to think that even BHP tried them), but the trend died - thankfully. I don't
think any performance improvements were detected.
Bill C.
> I just found the March 1970 Sport Flying mag with the
> article on this plane. It's Clyde Buckley's. It appears
> that the tip bows have been left off leaving a flat tip.
> There's no plate there. I've never liked those things.
> I think they're supremely ugly and I notice nobody
> is using them. There are other things that are, like
> drooped tips and winglets. It makes me wonder why.
>
> Even flat tips like these look, to me anyway, kind of
> sawed off, unfinished.
>
> Clif
>
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Subject: | Nosebowl question. |
The photo of the Canadian Goose in the discussion on wood struts reminded me
to ask this question:
How did he make the nosebowl?
Can't tell from the photos. Maybe someone who saw it up close knows?
Ken, who just bought some a-65 pistons on ebay.
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Subject: | Re: Nosebowl question. |
Beautiful airplane otherwise, but in the interest of good taste maybe that
cowl should wither on the vine....
Ryan, who is using an a-65 piston as a paperweight
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On Thu, Jan 13, 2011 at 2:09 PM, Ken Chambers <ken.riffic@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> The photo of the Canadian Goose in the discussion on wood struts reminded
> me to ask this question:
>
> How did he make the nosebowl?
>
> Can't tell from the photos. Maybe someone who saw it up close knows?
>
> Ken, who just bought some a-65 pistons on ebay.
>
>
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Subject: | Re: Nosebowl question. |
I think it's off an old JD tractor...
On Jan 13, 2011, at 3:25 PM, Ryan Mueller wrote:
> Beautiful airplane otherwise, but in the interest of good taste maybe
that cowl should wither on the vine....
>
> Ryan, who is using an a-65 piston as a paperweight
>
> do not archive
>
> On Thu, Jan 13, 2011 at 2:09 PM, Ken Chambers <ken.riffic@gmail.com>
wrote:
>
> The photo of the Canadian Goose in the discussion on wood struts
reminded me to ask this question:
>
> How did he make the nosebowl?
>
> Can't tell from the photos. Maybe someone who saw it up close knows?
>
> Ken, who just bought some a-65 pistons on ebay.
>
>
>
>
>
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Subject: | Re: Nosebowl question. |
Aaah, I don't think it is....John Deeres look better... :P
Ryan
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On Thu, Jan 13, 2011 at 2:39 PM, Kip and Beth Gardner <
kipandbeth@earthlink.net> wrote:
> I think it's off an old JD tractor...
>
> On Jan 13, 2011, at 3:25 PM, Ryan Mueller wrote:
>
> Beautiful airplane otherwise, but in the interest of good taste maybe that
> cowl should wither on the vine....
>
> Ryan, who is using an a-65 piston as a paperweight
>
> do not archive
>
> On Thu, Jan 13, 2011 at 2:09 PM, Ken Chambers <ken.riffic@gmail.com>wrote:
>
>>
>> The photo of the Canadian Goose in the discussion on wood struts reminded
>> me to ask this question:
>>
>> How did he make the nosebowl?
>>
>> Can't tell from the photos. Maybe someone who saw it up close knows?
>>
>> Ken, who just bought some a-65 pistons on ebay.
>>
>>
>>
> *
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Subject: | Re: runway length? |
No one spoke of width. If laying out a runway how wide would you make it?
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Subject: | Re: Trim set ups |
Rick, one question. Is the trim tab on only the right elevator or is
there one on both? I guess that if it's only on the one side there
would be feedback through the cables to the other side.
----- Original Message -----
From: Rick Holland
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, January 13, 2011 1:34 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Trim set ups
Yup, crank snapping/valve eatin corvair. Tain't cheap though:
http://www.rayallencompany.com/products/trimsystems.html
Just a big RC-type servo and an up/down switch with a high tech
looking digital position readout. It actually fits totally within the
flipper with no bulges poking out of the fabric (see attached). Yes you
will really impress your buds at Brodhead by being the first to show up
with an electric trim Piet.
rick
On Wed, Jan 12, 2011 at 8:02 PM, Kip and Beth Gardner
<kipandbeth@earthlink.net> wrote:
Now I seen ever-thang! Seriously, it makes sense if you have an
electrical system already (like a crank-snappin' Corvair), and if it
weighs less than the mechanical alternatives.
How about some details? I kind of like it.
Kip G.
On Jan 12, 2011, at 9:11 PM, Rick Holland wrote:
Electric trim on a Piet? You must be kidding!
On Wed, Jan 12, 2011 at 3:22 PM, <brian.e.jardine@l-3com.com>
wrote:
I believe it=92s time for a fresh thread=85=85=85. Could those
of you with trim systems =93flying and not=94 please post pics of your
trim tab, and your trim adjustment mechanism in the cockpit. Thanks.
Brian
SLC-UT
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Subject: | Re: Trim set ups |
Hadn't thought of that. Fly by wire! Can't do that with no bungee-based-east-texas-trim
system!
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Subject: | Re: Trim set ups |
Was actually eye-ballin' your cover job. Looks really nice, Rick!
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That split gear looks great Tom! How did you get clearance on the
fuselage ends? I have seen a forked landing gear, and one where the
tubing was cut and a longer piece welded alongside for clearance.
Dennis Engelkenjohn
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Subject: | Re: Nosebowl question. |
Eye of the beholder, dudes.
On Thu, Jan 13, 2011 at 3:06 PM, Ryan Mueller <rmueller23@gmail.com> wrote:
> Aaah, I don't think it is....John Deeres look better... :P
>
> Ryan
>
> do not archive
>
> On Thu, Jan 13, 2011 at 2:39 PM, Kip and Beth Gardner <
> kipandbeth@earthlink.net> wrote:
>
>> I think it's off an old JD tractor...
>>
>> On Jan 13, 2011, at 3:25 PM, Ryan Mueller wrote:
>>
>> Beautiful airplane otherwise, but in the interest of good taste maybe that
>> cowl should wither on the vine....
>>
>> Ryan, who is using an a-65 piston as a paperweight
>>
>> do not archive
>>
>> On Thu, Jan 13, 2011 at 2:09 PM, Ken Chambers <ken.riffic@gmail.com>wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> The photo of the Canadian Goose in the discussion on wood struts reminded
>>> me to ask this question:
>>>
>>> How did he make the nosebowl?
>>>
>>> Can't tell from the photos. Maybe someone who saw it up close knows?
>>>
>>> Ken, who just bought some a-65 pistons on ebay.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>> *
>>
>> *
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>> 3D====
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Subject: | Re: Nosebowl question. |
Absolutely, Ken. Did I say I DISLIKED old JD tractors?
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On Jan 13, 2011, at 5:01 PM, Ken Chambers wrote:
>
> Eye of the beholder, dudes.
>
>
> On Thu, Jan 13, 2011 at 3:06 PM, Ryan Mueller <rmueller23@gmail.com>
wrote:
> Aaah, I don't think it is....John Deeres look better... :P
>
> Ryan
>
> do not archive
>
> On Thu, Jan 13, 2011 at 2:39 PM, Kip and Beth Gardner
<kipandbeth@earthlink.net> wrote:
> I think it's off an old JD tractor...
>
> On Jan 13, 2011, at 3:25 PM, Ryan Mueller wrote:
>
>> Beautiful airplane otherwise, but in the interest of good taste maybe
that cowl should wither on the vine....
>>
>> Ryan, who is using an a-65 piston as a paperweight
>>
>> do not archive
>>
>> On Thu, Jan 13, 2011 at 2:09 PM, Ken Chambers <ken.riffic@gmail.com>
wrote:
>>
>> The photo of the Canadian Goose in the discussion on wood struts
reminded me to ask this question:
>>
>> How did he make the nosebowl?
>>
>> Can't tell from the photos. Maybe someone who saw it up close knows?
>>
>> Ken, who just bought some a-65 pistons on ebay.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
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so that's almost 3 inches each way.... thanks Rick
jeff
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Dennis:
Not sure I understand your question. If you are asking how I got the
spring struts to miss each other where they cross, this was done by
welding a tab to the back side of the axle on one side and to the front
side of the axle on the other. This took some jiggin up, tacking,
breaking off, retacking, cursing, etc. before I got it done. Attached are
a couple of photos showing the upper left and lower right attachment
points. The other side would be opposite.
Tom
N328X
>>> "Dennis Engelkenjohn" <mushface1@gmail.com> 1/13/2011 4:02 PM >>>
That split gear looks great Tom! How did you get clearance on the fuselage
ends? I have seen a forked landing gear, and one where the tubing was cut
and a longer piece welded alongside for clearance.
Dennis Engelkenjohn
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Subject: | Re: Nosebowl question. |
I was at Brodhead that year and beleive it was a deep sided long cooking pan which
started out behind the prop. This laid the foundation ofr the rest of the
cowling...
KMHeide
Fargo, ND
--- On Thu, 1/13/11, Ken Chambers <ken.riffic@gmail.com> wrote:
> From: Ken Chambers <ken.riffic@gmail.com>
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Nosebowl question.
> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> Date: Thursday, January 13, 2011, 2:09 PM
>
> The photo of the Canadian Goose in the discussion on
> wood struts reminded me to ask this question:
> How did he make the
> nosebowl?
> Can't tell from the photos. Maybe someone
> who saw it up close knows?
>
> Ken, who just bought some a-65 pistons on
> ebay.
>
>
>
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Subject: | Re: Nosebowl question. |
Back to the original question...
I spoke with the builder when he was at Brodhead, and I recall him saying that
it was fiberglass. I believe he built up a mould and made it himself.
Bill, who doesn't have any A-65 pistons in the mail, or on my desk, or at all,
for that matter.
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Subject: | Re: runway length? |
And if I build it, will they come?
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Subject: | Re: Corvair Valve issue |
OK, here is the procedure in a nutshell, pull the valve cover,pull the spar
k plug, remove the rocker arms on affected cylinder, then remove the valve
keepers.- I tied a string around the valve stem just as insurance so it d
id not fall down in the cylinder.- Now use a long (6 inch) q-tip or simil
ar to apply valve compound to the valve (push the valve in to the cyl just
enough to see it through the spark plug hole.)- Now pull the valve into t
he seat.--To get-enough pressure on the valve (pushing outward), I us
ed a clean piece of 3/16 or so nylon clothes-line-about 4 ft long, and sh
oved it through the spark plug hole, and pull the prop thru untill you feel
the piston push the rope against the top of the combustion chamber. Now ro
tate the valve around and around untill it feels clean and smooth.- You m
ight have to repeat a couple times to get a good seal.- To clean excess c
ompound out of the cylinder I used the clean rope.- Back off the piston b
y
rotating the prop back, push the valve into the cyl just about 1/2 in or s
o, and try to pinch the rope between the valve, and the seat by pulling the
valve toward the seat (rope between them) then simply spin the valve by ha
nd and the compound will wipe off on the rope.- Remove the rope re-assemb
le and wa-la.- Now some notes, 1st if you can, take a compression reading
with a differential pressure gauge (aviation style)before you dissasemble
anything, this will help you narrow which valve is loaded up (exaust or int
ake), this will also tell you if it is fixed when you are done.-Next you
will have to deflate your lifters before reinstalling the push rods and roc
ker arms, this will be nessasary to get your valves adjusted properly when
you put it all back togeather.- If you need any other help just send me a
n e-mail, I will help if I can.- I had a bad compression check a couple y
ears back, 55/80psi, when I was done it was 79/80 and that was a cold
engine, so this should help if it is lead on the valve.
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Shad
P.S.this works on a cont. or lycoming as well, actually eaiser because they
have 2, bigger spark plug holes.
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Subject: | Re: runway length? |
I'll swing by if you do! And I've been in and out of a few runways that were
50' wide or so that didn't give any problems, and when there's corn on both sides
kinda gives you the feeling that you're about to take a down a death star!
Would depend on the height of what's along side it, I wouldn't want much less.
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Thanks Tom. You understood it exactly right. I moved my axle forward
slightly and am working on doing what you did. The forward axle
complicates things somewhat. Did you have to move the vertical bolts,
the ones which go through the ash crossmember on the bottom of the
fuselage toward the center any more or was the location all right as per
the plans. The bolts to which I am referring are the two in the bottom
picture with the bolt heads down and the nuts in the inside of the
fuselage.
Thanks for the pictures by the way. They were very helpful.
Dennis
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Just thought I'd post a few pictures of the skis that I've borrowed from Frank
Pavliga. Eventually I plan to build my own. I'll post the very amateurish sketch
that I made too. Every Piet pilot should have the opportunity to lower their
cold tolerance by flying on skis!
Don Emch
NX899DE
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Subject: | Re: Ski pictures |
Here is the sketch I made. Kind of simple, hope it makes sense. I made the tail
ski after spending a couple of winters dragging the tailwheel through the snow.
It is much smoother now with the tail ski.
Don Emch
NX899DE
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Subject: | Re: Nosebowl question. |
Ken,
You're thinking of Greg Cardinal and Dale Johnson's Piet. and I think it actually
started out as a LID for a cooking pan. Still has the vents, to let out the
steam.
http://www.westcoastpiet.com/images/Greg%20and%20Dale/images/IMG_0424.JPG
Bill C.
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Subject: | Re: Ski pictures |
By the way, I had the bungees off for replacement when the pictures were taken.
The skis are rigged as per the AC43.13 manual.
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Subject: | Re: runway length? |
My runway is 40 feet wide and is adequate. One of the guys that flies in a J-3
complains about it being narrow. He has a little one of a kind bipe that he won't
fly here because of the narrow runway. I have no problem with it.
--------
Jerry Dotson
59 Daniel Johnson Rd
Baker, FL 32531
Started building NX510JD July, 2009
wing, tailfeathers done, fuselage rolling
using Lycoming O-235
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Subject: | Re: Nosebowl question. |
Thanks KM
I'm not too familiar with big pans so I can't picture one so curvy on the
bottom, which I guess would be the front of the nosebowl?
Ken
On Thu, Jan 13, 2011 at 4:57 PM, KM Heide CPO/FAAOP <kmheidecpo@yahoo.com>wrote:
> kmheidecpo@yahoo.com>
>
> I was at Brodhead that year and beleive it was a deep sided long cooking
> pan which started out behind the prop. This laid the foundation ofr the rest
> of the cowling...
>
> KMHeide
> Fargo, ND
>
>
> --- On Thu, 1/13/11, Ken Chambers <ken.riffic@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > From: Ken Chambers <ken.riffic@gmail.com>
> > Subject: Pietenpol-List: Nosebowl question.
> > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> > Date: Thursday, January 13, 2011, 2:09 PM
> >
> > The photo of the Canadian Goose in the discussion on
> > wood struts reminded me to ask this question:
> > How did he make the
> > nosebowl?
> > Can't tell from the photos. Maybe someone
> > who saw it up close knows?
> >
> > Ken, who just bought some a-65 pistons on
> > ebay.
> >
> >
> >
>
>
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Ken Chambers
512-796-1798
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Subject: | Re: Ski pictures |
Thanks Don, for the ski pics. I've been meaning to build a pair, but
haven't gotten to it. I'm planning on using a pair of water skiis.
Dick N.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Don Emch" <EmchAir@aol.com>
Sent: Thursday, January 13, 2011 5:37 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Ski pictures
>
> Just thought I'd post a few pictures of the skis that I've borrowed from
> Frank Pavliga. Eventually I plan to build my own. I'll post the very
> amateurish sketch that I made too. Every Piet pilot should have the
> opportunity to lower their cold tolerance by flying on skis!
>
> Don Emch
> NX899DE
>
>
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Subject: | Re: Nosebowl question. |
Made a mold of a St. Lawrence Beluga.
Gotta use local resources.
Clif
----- Original Message -----
From: Ken Chambers
How did he make the nosebowl?
Can't tell from the photos. Maybe someone who saw it up close knows?
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Subject: | Re: Nosebowl question. |
I'm sensing a subtle undercurrent here, a hint of disrespect for the Goose's
nosebowl.
On Thu, Jan 13, 2011 at 9:17 PM, Clif Dawson <CDAWSON5854@shaw.ca> wrote:
> Made a mold of a St. Lawrence Beluga.
>
> Gotta use local resources.
>
> Clif
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> *From:* Ken Chambers <ken.riffic@gmail.com>
>
> How did he make the nosebowl?
> Can't tell from the photos. Maybe someone who saw it up close knows?
>
>
> *
>
> *
>
>
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Ken Chambers
512-796-1798
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Subject: | Re: runway length? |
May I ask what is along side your runway?
Please do not archive
Sent from my iPhone
On Jan 13, 2011, at 7:04 PM, "Jerry Dotson" <jdotson@centurylink.net> wrote:
>
> My runway is 40 feet wide and is adequate. One of the guys that flies in a J-3
complains about it being narrow. He has a little one of a kind bipe that he
won't fly here because of the narrow runway. I have no problem with it.
>
> --------
> Jerry Dotson
> 59 Daniel Johnson Rd
> Baker, FL 32531
>
> Started building NX510JD July, 2009
> wing, tailfeathers done, fuselage rolling
> using Lycoming O-235
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=326958#326958
>
>
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Subject: | Re: runway length? |
35 feet of pavement at 6AZ8 worked fine, It has extra shoulder on either
side.
Andrew
On Thu, Jan 13, 2011 at 8:44 PM, Matthew VanDervort <
matthew.vandervort@gmail.com> wrote:
> matthew.vandervort@gmail.com>
>
> May I ask what is along side your runway?
>
> Please do not archive
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Jan 13, 2011, at 7:04 PM, "Jerry Dotson" <jdotson@centurylink.net>
> wrote:
>
> jdotson@centurylink.net>
> >
> > My runway is 40 feet wide and is adequate. One of the guys that flies in
> a J-3 complains about it being narrow. He has a little one of a kind bipe
> that he won't fly here because of the narrow runway. I have no problem with
> it.
> >
> > --------
> > Jerry Dotson
> > 59 Daniel Johnson Rd
> > Baker, FL 32531
> >
> > Started building NX510JD July, 2009
> > wing, tailfeathers done, fuselage rolling
> > using Lycoming O-235
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Read this topic online here:
> >
> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=326958#326958
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
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Andrew Eldredge
Sahuarita, AZ
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Subject: | Re: wing strut fork ends |
Since the melting point of aluminum is only 1220.58 F a good hot fire will
melt it to a big blog leaving only that snapped crank (which could make a
good wind chime).
do not archive
On Thu, Jan 13, 2011 at 12:32 PM, Ryan Mueller <rmueller23@gmail.com> wrote:
> Kevin,
>
> It will be most excellent to see you at Brodhead again this year. Just a
> word of advice.....even if you do all that, someone will dig the engine up
> and want to use it for a Corvaircraft conversion. :)
>
> Ryan
>
> do not archive
>
> On Thu, Jan 13, 2011 at 12:59 PM, kevinpurtee <kevin.purtee@us.army.mil>wrote:
>
>> kevin.purtee@us.army.mil>
>>
>> Man, Larry. I thought I was the only one terrified to fly my own plane.
>> Since I've got the valve-eating, crank-snapping corvair I'm not sure if
>> just burning it will be enough. I'll have to bury it and then plow and salt
>> the earth above the spot. Maybe have an exorcism for good measure?
>>
>> Different subject: I'm so very much looking forward to the
>> Austin-Brodhead-Austin adventure again this year. The only drama
>> (well-documented) from last year was pilot-induced.
>>
>> do not archive
>>
>> --------
>> Kevin "Axel" Purtee
>> NX899KP
>> Austin/Georgetown, TX
>>
>>
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Castle Rock, Colorado
"Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers, that smell bad"
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Subject: | Re: Trim set ups |
Just on the right side. The elevators are independent but are rigidly
attached to each other via the bellcrank. A force on one side will be
transferred to the other.
On Thu, Jan 13, 2011 at 2:50 PM, Charles Campbell <cncampbell@windstream.ne
t
> wrote:
> Rick, one question. Is the trim tab on only the right elevator or is
> there one on both? I guess that if it's only on the one side there would
be
> feedback through the cables to the other side.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> *From:* Rick Holland <at7000ft@gmail.com>
> *To:* pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> *Sent:* Thursday, January 13, 2011 1:34 PM
> *Subject:* Re: Pietenpol-List: Trim set ups
>
> Yup, crank snapping/valve eatin corvair. Tain't cheap though:
>
> http://www.rayallencompany.com/products/trimsystems.html
>
> Just a big RC-type servo and an up/down switch with a high tech looking
> digital position readout. It actually fits totally within the flipper wit
h
> no bulges poking out of the fabric (see attached). Yes you will really
> impress your buds at Brodhead by being the first to show up with an elect
ric
> trim Piet.
>
> rick
>
> On Wed, Jan 12, 2011 at 8:02 PM, Kip and Beth Gardner <
> kipandbeth@earthlink.net> wrote:
>
>> Now I seen ever-thang! Seriously, it makes sense if you have an
>> electrical system already (like a crank-snappin' Corvair), and if it wei
ghs
>> less than the mechanical alternatives.
>>
>> How about some details? I kind of like it.
>>
>> Kip G.
>>
>> On Jan 12, 2011, at 9:11 PM, Rick Holland wrote:
>>
>> Electric trim on a Piet? You must be kidding!
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Jan 12, 2011 at 3:22 PM, <brian.e.jardine@l-3com.com> wrote:
>>
>>> I believe it=92s time for a fresh thread=85=85=85. Could those of you
with
>>> trim systems =93flying and not=94 please post pics of your trim tab, a
nd your
>>> trim adjustment mechanism in the cockpit. Thanks.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Brian
>>>
>>> SLC-UT
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>> Castle Rock, Colorado
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> Rick Holland
> Castle Rock, Colorado
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Subject: | Re: Trim set ups |
Yea, kind of low tech fly-by-wire, just no computer between the control and
the servo.
On Thu, Jan 13, 2011 at 2:57 PM, kevinpurtee <kevin.purtee@us.army.mil>wrote:
> kevin.purtee@us.army.mil>
>
> Hadn't thought of that. Fly by wire! Can't do that with no
> bungee-based-east-texas-trim system!
>
> do not archive
>
> --------
> Kevin "Axel" Purtee
> NX899KP
> Austin/Georgetown, TX
>
>
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Rick Holland
Castle Rock, Colorado
"Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers, that smell bad"
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