---------------------------------------------------------- Pietenpol-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Thu 01/13/11: 55 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 04:24 AM - Re: Adjustable Wood Wing Strut Fitting (Jerry Dotson) 2. 04:31 AM - Re: Re: Trim set ups (Jack) 3. 05:55 AM - BPA article (Oscar Zuniga) 4. 06:05 AM - wood struts and a question (Douwe Blumberg) 5. 06:14 AM - Re: wood struts and a question (Jack Phillips) 6. 07:02 AM - Re: Trim set ups (kevinpurtee) 7. 07:03 AM - Re: Trim set ups (kevinpurtee) 8. 07:16 AM - Re: Adjustable Wood Wing Strut Fitting (kevinpurtee) 9. 07:38 AM - Re: Re: Adjustable Wood Wing Strut Fitting (Kimball Isaac) 10. 08:08 AM - rudder bar (bender) 11. 09:16 AM - User fees 2011 - USA - OT (Michael Krzciok) 12. 10:06 AM - Re: rudder bar (bender) 13. 10:08 AM - Re: wood struts and a question (Greg Cardinal) 14. 10:34 AM - Re: rudder bar (Rick Holland) 15. 10:36 AM - Re: wood struts and a question (bradandlinda tds.net) 16. 10:48 AM - Re: Trim set ups (Rick Holland) 17. 10:54 AM - Re: Re: Trim set ups (Rick Holland) 18. 11:02 AM - Re: wing strut fork ends (kevinpurtee) 19. 11:27 AM - Re: Re: wing strut fork ends (Rick Holland) 20. 11:34 AM - Re: Re: wing strut fork ends (Ryan Mueller) 21. 11:41 AM - Re: Re: wing strut fork ends (Kip and Beth Gardner) 22. 12:04 PM - Re: Adjustable Wood Wing Strut Fitting (Bill Church) 23. 12:12 PM - Nosebowl question. (Ken Chambers) 24. 12:27 PM - Re: Nosebowl question. (Ryan Mueller) 25. 12:42 PM - Re: Nosebowl question. (Kip and Beth Gardner) 26. 01:09 PM - Re: Nosebowl question. (Ryan Mueller) 27. 01:45 PM - Re: runway length? (Kringle) 28. 01:53 PM - Re: Trim set ups (Charles Campbell) 29. 02:00 PM - Re: Trim set ups (kevinpurtee) 30. 02:01 PM - Re: Trim set ups (kevinpurtee) 31. 02:03 PM - LG at last (Dennis Engelkenjohn) 32. 02:04 PM - Re: Nosebowl question. (Ken Chambers) 33. 02:26 PM - Re: Nosebowl question. (Kip and Beth Gardner) 34. 02:28 PM - Re: rudder bar (bender) 35. 02:44 PM - Re: LG at last (TOM STINEMETZE) 36. 03:00 PM - Re: Nosebowl question. (KM Heide CPO/FAAOP) 37. 03:08 PM - Re: Nosebowl question. (Bill Church) 38. 03:10 PM - Re: runway length? (Kringle) 39. 03:21 PM - Re: Re: Corvair Valve issue (shad bell) 40. 03:33 PM - Re: Re: runway length? (Matthew VanDervort) 41. 03:33 PM - LG at last (Dennis Engelkenjohn) 42. 03:39 PM - Ski pictures (Don Emch) 43. 03:45 PM - Re: Ski pictures (Don Emch) 44. 03:47 PM - Re: Nosebowl question. (Bill Church) 45. 03:47 PM - Re: Ski pictures (Don Emch) 46. 04:06 PM - Re: runway length? (Jerry Dotson) 47. 04:46 PM - Re: Nosebowl question. (Ken Chambers) 48. 06:51 PM - Re: Ski pictures (Dick N) 49. 07:31 PM - Re: Nosebowl question. (Clif Dawson) 50. 07:47 PM - Re: Nosebowl question. (Ken Chambers) 51. 07:47 PM - Re: Re: runway length? (Matthew VanDervort) 52. 08:02 PM - Re: Re: runway length? (Andrew M Eldredge) 53. 09:21 PM - Re: Re: wing strut fork ends (Rick Holland) 54. 09:34 PM - Re: Trim set ups (Rick Holland) 55. 09:51 PM - Re: Re: Trim set ups (Rick Holland) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 04:24:35 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Adjustable Wood Wing Strut Fitting From: "Jerry Dotson" I was told that N3513 is in a museum at Lakeland, FL. Look at the landing gear on that bad boy on Chris Tracy's Westcoast Piet site. My ol' daddy would say "That is too much triggerwork" as was his saying for anything with complexity. do not archive -------- Jerry Dotson 59 Daniel Johnson Rd Baker, FL 32531 Started building NX510JD July, 2009 wing, tailfeathers done, fuselage rolling using Lycoming O-235 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=326841#326841 ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 04:31:15 AM PST US From: "Jack" Subject: RE: Re: Pietenpol-List: Trim set ups Rick, I too have considered this type setup. A concern was the differential pressure on the elevators since they are not connected. Would like to hear from any flying examples. Jack DSM _____ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rick Holland Sent: Wednesday, January 12, 2011 8:12 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Trim set ups Electric trim on a Piet? You must be kidding! On Wed, Jan 12, 2011 at 3:22 PM, wrote: I believe it's time for a fresh thread.... Could those of you with trim systems "flying and not" please post pics of your trim tab, and your trim adjustment mechanism in the cockpit. Thanks. Brian SLC-UT " target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List tp://forums.matronics.com _blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution -- Rick Holland Castle Rock, Colorado "Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers, that smell bad" ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 05:55:23 AM PST US From: Oscar Zuniga Subject: Pietenpol-List: BPA article G'day, Pieters; I've been out of pocket for a week and a half on a dive trip to Bonaire, but arrived back home to find my BPA Newsletter. I am extremely embarrassed that Doc ran a picture of Ernie Moreno's airplane not with Ernie in it, but instead with ME in the cockpit, grinning like an idiot. Sorry, Ernie... but in fact, sitting in the cockpit of Ernie's airplane that day sometime in 2001 was what set me on the path to loving Piets and eventually owning one. I have not read my Newsletter yet... only looked at the pictures... like a child with a coloring book. It's always a good day when I find my Newsletter in the mailbox! And to second what Clif said and wrote, I have heard it said that "those who say it can't be done should stay out of the way of those who are doing it." I am fortunate to know a couple of you who are exactly the type who get it done. Oscar Zuniga Air Camper NX41CC "Scout" San Antonio, TX website at http://www.flysquirrel.net ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 06:05:06 AM PST US From: "Douwe Blumberg" Subject: Pietenpol-List: wood struts and a question For all you guys flying with Continentals, a question. I=92m in the midst of the new cowling and would appreciated any input regarding engine access doors etc. What has worked, what was unnecessary and what do you wish you had done? Re the wood strut thing. There are many Piets which have flown for many years with wood lift and cabane struts. The two highest time ones I know of from the eighties and ninties were Alan Weise=92s famous plane which ended up with over 1,000 hrs on it, and Will Graf=92s Ford powered Piet which flew for years. My wood struts came through the ground- loop- flip- over- incident very well and are unharmed. Mine are built like Axels in that a strip of =BC=94 ply is sandwiched between two pieces of doug fir. Technically however, if the chosen wood is spar material, laminations shouldn=92t be needed as wood is already a laminate, except for peace of mind about hidden flaws. Douwe ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 06:14:02 AM PST US From: "Jack Phillips" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: wood struts and a question Give yourself plenty of room to remove the oil cap/dipstick. I wish my cowling wasn=92t quite as tight around that Jack Phillips NX899JP =93Icarus Plummet=94 Raleigh, NC _____ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Douwe Blumberg Sent: Thursday, January 13, 2011 9:03 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: wood struts and a question For all you guys flying with Continentals, a question. I=92m in the midst of the new cowling and would appreciated any input regarding engine access doors etc. What has worked, what was unnecessary and what do you wish you had done? Re the wood strut thing. There are many Piets which have flown for many years with wood lift and cabane struts. The two highest time ones I know of from the eighties and ninties were Alan Weise=92s famous plane which ended up with over 1,000 hrs on it, and Will Graf=92s Ford powered Piet which flew for years. My wood struts came through the ground- loop- flip- over- incident very well and are unharmed. Mine are built like Axels in that a strip of =BC=94 ply is sandwiched between two pieces of doug fir. Technically however, if the chosen wood is spar material, laminations shouldn=92t be needed as wood is already a laminate, except for peace of mind about hidden flaws. Douwe ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 07:02:54 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Trim set ups From: "kevinpurtee" Certainly more elegant then the bungee cord wrapped around the stick in the front seat:) Sure has been easy and trouble-free, though. -------- Kevin "Axel" Purtee NX899KP Austin/Georgetown, TX Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=326870#326870 ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 07:03:45 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Trim set ups From: "kevinpurtee" Hey Rick, now you gotta come up with an emergency procedure for runaway trim!:) -------- Kevin "Axel" Purtee NX899KP Austin/Georgetown, TX Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=326871#326871 ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 07:16:31 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Adjustable Wood Wing Strut Fitting From: "kevinpurtee" Man, y'all don't use ME as an example! I've done so many things wrong per this list and per the other experts it amazes me the airplane flies at all! [Wink] love you guys do not archive Axel -------- Kevin "Axel" Purtee NX899KP Austin/Georgetown, TX Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=326873#326873 ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 07:38:05 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Adjustable Wood Wing Strut Fitting From: Kimball Isaac "cellulose reinforced lignin composite" I've heard its good choice of material in piet building. Makes it easier to appear "period correct" than some of the other composites ;-) Incidentally its my first choice for my project Kim On 2011-01-12 11:33 PM, "Clif Dawson" wrote: > > > I just found the March 1970 Sport Flying mag with the > article on this plane. It's Clyde Buckley's. It appears > that the tip bows have been left off leaving a flat tip. > There's no plate there. I've never liked those things. > I think they're supremely ugly and I notice nobody > is using them. There are other things that are, like > drooped tips and winglets. It makes me wonder why. > > Even flat tips like these look, to me anyway, kind of > sawed off, unfinished. > > Oh, by the way, has anyone ever heard of "cellulose > reinforced lignin composite"? > > Clif > > >> >> Hey Clif >> I know its late and I'm rubbing my eyes but are those horner wingtips on N3513 if so do they really make a difference? >> Kim > > ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 08:08:45 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: rudder bar From: "bender" It looks like the rudder bar travel is about 3 inches by the dimensions on the plans.....am i wrong ? jeff Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=326882#326882 ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 09:16:24 AM PST US From: Michael Krzciok Subject: Pietenpol-List: User fees 2011 - USA - OT Attached is the NATA position on aviation user fees and a sample letter you can =0Asend to your Congressman if so inclined.- I'm sure AOPA and EAA h ave similar =0Apositions.=0A=0AMike=0A=0A-=0A____________________________ ____=0AThis email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and in tended =0Asolely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are a ddressed. 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If you are not the intende d recipient you are notified that disclosing, =0Acopying, distributing or t aking any action in reliance on the contents of this =0Ainformation is stri ctly prohibited.=0A ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 10:06:24 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: rudder bar From: "bender" that is ... three..maybe three and a half inches in each direction from center.. jeff Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=326896#326896 ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 10:08:33 AM PST US From: "Greg Cardinal" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: wood struts and a question The cowling takes a lot of abuse in the propwash and is prone to "oil canning" which leads to cracks, loose rivets, chafing, etc... Beading near the edges will help stiffen the cowling and it will look great. Jacks comment about oil dipstick access is right on. Greg C. ----- Original Message ----- From: Douwe Blumberg To: pietenpolgroup Sent: Thursday, January 13, 2011 8:02 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: wood struts and a question For all you guys flying with Continentals, a question. I'm in the midst of the new cowling and would appreciated any input regarding engine access doors etc. What has worked, what was unnecessary and what do you wish you had done? Re the wood strut thing. There are many Piets which have flown for many years with wood lift and cabane struts. The two highest time ones I know of from the eighties and ninties were Alan Weise's famous plane which ended up with over 1,000 hrs on it, and Will Graf's Ford powered Piet which flew for years. My wood struts came through the ground- loop- flip- over- incident very well and are unharmed. Mine are built like Axels in that a strip of =BC" ply is sandwiched between two pieces of doug fir. Technically however, if the chosen wood is spar material, laminations shouldn't be needed as wood is already a laminate, except for peace of mind about hidden flaws. Douwe ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 10:34:11 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: rudder bar From: Rick Holland Mine moves 5 1/4" stop to stop measured at the end. This moves the rudder side to side to within about an inch from touching the elevators. rick On Thu, Jan 13, 2011 at 9:06 AM, bender wrote: > jfaith@solairusaviation.com> > > It looks like the rudder bar travel is about 3 inches by the dimensions on > the plans.....am i wrong ? > > jeff > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=326882#326882 > > -- Rick Holland Castle Rock, Colorado "Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers, that smell bad" ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 10:36:10 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: wood struts and a question From: "bradandlinda tds.net" Dear Douwe, I have a Cont A-65 on my Aircamper NX29NX. The cowling is basically a J-3 cowling. I think it looks good and works well. Be sure to have an easy access for the oil dipstick, oil quick drain, and the gasolator drain. You can pull up NX29NX and see how it looks. Brad Williams "Oh For Piet's Sake" On Thu, Jan 13, 2011 at 12:06 PM, Greg Cardinal wrot e: > The cowling takes a lot of abuse in the propwash and is prone to "oil > canning" which leads to cracks, loose rivets, chafing, etc... > > Beading near the edges will help stiffen the cowling and it will look > great. > > Jacks comment about oil dipstick access is right on. > > Greg C. > > ----- Original Message ----- > *From:* Douwe Blumberg > *To:* pietenpolgroup > *Sent:* Thursday, January 13, 2011 8:02 AM > *Subject:* Pietenpol-List: wood struts and a question > > For all you guys flying with Continentals, a question. > > > I=92m in the midst of the new cowling and would appreciated any input > regarding engine access doors etc. What has worked, what was unnecessary > and what do you wish you had done? > > > Re the wood strut thing. There are many Piets which have flown for many > years with wood lift and cabane struts. The two highest time ones I know of > from the eighties and ninties were Alan Weise=92s famous plane which ende d up > with over 1,000 hrs on it, and Will Graf=92s Ford powered Piet which flew for > years. > > > My wood struts came through the ground- loop- flip- over- incident very > well and are unharmed. > > > Mine are built like Axels in that a strip of =BC=94 ply is sandwiched bet ween > two pieces of doug fir. Technically however, if the chosen wood is spar > material, laminations shouldn=92t be needed as wood is already a laminate , > except for peace of mind about hidden flaws. > > > Douwe > > * > > href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List">http://www.mat ronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List > href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com > href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c * > > * > =========== =========== =========== =========== > * > > ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 10:48:37 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Trim set ups From: Rick Holland Yup, crank snapping/valve eatin corvair. Tain't cheap though: http://www.rayallencompany.com/products/trimsystems.html Just a big RC-type servo and an up/down switch with a high tech looking digital position readout. It actually fits totally within the flipper with no bulges poking out of the fabric (see attached). Yes you will really impress your buds at Brodhead by being the first to show up with an electri c trim Piet. rick On Wed, Jan 12, 2011 at 8:02 PM, Kip and Beth Gardner < kipandbeth@earthlink.net> wrote: > Now I seen ever-thang! Seriously, it makes sense if you have an electric al > system already (like a crank-snappin' Corvair), and if it weighs less tha n > the mechanical alternatives. > > How about some details? I kind of like it. > > Kip G. > > On Jan 12, 2011, at 9:11 PM, Rick Holland wrote: > > Electric trim on a Piet? You must be kidding! > > > On Wed, Jan 12, 2011 at 3:22 PM, wrote: > >> I believe it=92s time for a fresh thread=85=85=85. Could those of you wi th trim >> systems =93flying and not=94 please post pics of your trim tab, and you r trim >> adjustment mechanism in the cockpit. Thanks. >> >> >> >> Brian >> >> SLC-UT >> >> * >> >> " target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List >> tp://forums.matronics.com >> _blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution >> * >> >> > > > -- > Rick Holland > Castle Rock, Colorado > > "Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers, that smell bad" > > > > * > =========== =========== =========== =========== > * > > -- Rick Holland Castle Rock, Colorado "Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers, that smell bad" ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 10:54:00 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Trim set ups From: Rick Holland Actually Kevin I view the elec trim as a redundant elevator control. Back in the old days, in addition to practicing engine out emergencies, I used to have my advanced students attempt aileron and elevator out emergency approaches, only rudder and elevator trim. On Thu, Jan 13, 2011 at 8:01 AM, kevinpurtee wrote: > kevin.purtee@us.army.mil> > > Hey Rick, now you gotta come up with an emergency procedure for runaway > trim!:) > > -------- > Kevin "Axel" Purtee > NX899KP > Austin/Georgetown, TX > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=326871#326871 > > -- Rick Holland Castle Rock, Colorado "Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers, that smell bad" ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 11:02:00 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: wing strut fork ends From: "kevinpurtee" Man, Larry. I thought I was the only one terrified to fly my own plane. Since I've got the valve-eating, crank-snapping corvair I'm not sure if just burning it will be enough. I'll have to bury it and then plow and salt the earth above the spot. Maybe have an exorcism for good measure? Different subject: I'm so very much looking forward to the Austin-Brodhead-Austin adventure again this year. The only drama (well-documented) from last year was pilot-induced. do not archive -------- Kevin "Axel" Purtee NX899KP Austin/Georgetown, TX Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=326908#326908 ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 11:27:18 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: wing strut fork ends From: Rick Holland Don't forget to burn your plans and spread the ashes. Some poor slob may find them and build another crank snappin/valve eatin/out of spec Piet and then have to burn it too. On Thu, Jan 13, 2011 at 11:59 AM, kevinpurtee wrote: > kevin.purtee@us.army.mil> > > Man, Larry. I thought I was the only one terrified to fly my own plane. > Since I've got the valve-eating, crank-snapping corvair I'm not sure if > just burning it will be enough. I'll have to bury it and then plow and salt > the earth above the spot. Maybe have an exorcism for good measure? > > Different subject: I'm so very much looking forward to the > Austin-Brodhead-Austin adventure again this year. The only drama > (well-documented) from last year was pilot-induced. > > do not archive > > -------- > Kevin "Axel" Purtee > NX899KP > Austin/Georgetown, TX > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=326908#326908 > > -- Rick Holland Castle Rock, Colorado "Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers, that smell bad" ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 11:34:47 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: wing strut fork ends From: Ryan Mueller Kevin, It will be most excellent to see you at Brodhead again this year. Just a word of advice.....even if you do all that, someone will dig the engine up and want to use it for a Corvaircraft conversion. :) Ryan do not archive On Thu, Jan 13, 2011 at 12:59 PM, kevinpurtee wrote: > kevin.purtee@us.army.mil> > > Man, Larry. I thought I was the only one terrified to fly my own plane. > Since I've got the valve-eating, crank-snapping corvair I'm not sure if > just burning it will be enough. I'll have to bury it and then plow and salt > the earth above the spot. Maybe have an exorcism for good measure? > > Different subject: I'm so very much looking forward to the > Austin-Brodhead-Austin adventure again this year. The only drama > (well-documented) from last year was pilot-induced. > > do not archive > > -------- > Kevin "Axel" Purtee > NX899KP > Austin/Georgetown, TX > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=326908#326908 > > ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 11:41:09 AM PST US From: Kip and Beth Gardner Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: wing strut fork ends Hell, given the gravity of the threat, a small nuclear device is probably in order. Do not archive On Jan 13, 2011, at 2:24 PM, Rick Holland wrote: > Don't forget to burn your plans and spread the ashes. Some poor slob may find them and build another crank snappin/valve eatin/out of spec Piet and then have to burn it too. > > On Thu, Jan 13, 2011 at 11:59 AM, kevinpurtee wrote: > > Man, Larry. I thought I was the only one terrified to fly my own plane. Since I've got the valve-eating, crank-snapping corvair I'm not sure if just burning it will be enough. I'll have to bury it and then plow and salt the earth above the spot. Maybe have an exorcism for good measure? > > Different subject: I'm so very much looking forward to the Austin-Brodhead-Austin adventure again this year. The only drama (well-documented) from last year was pilot-induced. > > do not archive > > -------- > Kevin "Axel" Purtee > NX899KP > Austin/Georgetown, TX > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=326908#326908 > > > > > > > > ========== > st" target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List > ========== > http://forums.matronics.com > ========== > le, List Admin. > ="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution > ========== > > > > > > > -- > Rick Holland > Castle Rock, Colorado > > "Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers, that smell bad" > > > ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 12:04:35 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Adjustable Wood Wing Strut Fitting From: "Bill Church" If you're an EAA member, you can get free access to scanned copies of all the old Sport Aviation magazines. N3513 was featured in an article in July 1969, written by the original builder. In the article, there is a bit about the struts - apparently 1/4" ply sandwiched between two layers of 3/8" Douglas Fir. Also, the strut fittings were made of .065 4130 steel, with steel bushings through the wood at each bolt location. Gotta agree whole-heartedly with Clif on the wingtip thing. The plans-built tips are elegant. I have not seen a variation that looks anywhere nearly as good. In looking through old magazine and newsletter articles I recall seeing references to builders installing spill plates - back in the sixties, I think (and seem to think that even BHP tried them), but the trend died - thankfully. I don't think any performance improvements were detected. Bill C. > I just found the March 1970 Sport Flying mag with the > article on this plane. It's Clyde Buckley's. It appears > that the tip bows have been left off leaving a flat tip. > There's no plate there. I've never liked those things. > I think they're supremely ugly and I notice nobody > is using them. There are other things that are, like > drooped tips and winglets. It makes me wonder why. > > Even flat tips like these look, to me anyway, kind of > sawed off, unfinished. > > Clif > Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=326920#326920 ________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ Time: 12:12:10 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Nosebowl question. From: Ken Chambers The photo of the Canadian Goose in the discussion on wood struts reminded me to ask this question: How did he make the nosebowl? Can't tell from the photos. Maybe someone who saw it up close knows? Ken, who just bought some a-65 pistons on ebay. ________________________________ Message 24 ____________________________________ Time: 12:27:38 PM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Nosebowl question. From: Ryan Mueller Beautiful airplane otherwise, but in the interest of good taste maybe that cowl should wither on the vine.... Ryan, who is using an a-65 piston as a paperweight do not archive On Thu, Jan 13, 2011 at 2:09 PM, Ken Chambers wrote: > > The photo of the Canadian Goose in the discussion on wood struts reminded > me to ask this question: > > How did he make the nosebowl? > > Can't tell from the photos. Maybe someone who saw it up close knows? > > Ken, who just bought some a-65 pistons on ebay. > > ________________________________ Message 25 ____________________________________ Time: 12:42:40 PM PST US From: Kip and Beth Gardner Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Nosebowl question. I think it's off an old JD tractor... On Jan 13, 2011, at 3:25 PM, Ryan Mueller wrote: > Beautiful airplane otherwise, but in the interest of good taste maybe that cowl should wither on the vine.... > > Ryan, who is using an a-65 piston as a paperweight > > do not archive > > On Thu, Jan 13, 2011 at 2:09 PM, Ken Chambers wrote: > > The photo of the Canadian Goose in the discussion on wood struts reminded me to ask this question: > > How did he make the nosebowl? > > Can't tell from the photos. Maybe someone who saw it up close knows? > > Ken, who just bought some a-65 pistons on ebay. > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 26 ____________________________________ Time: 01:09:17 PM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Nosebowl question. From: Ryan Mueller Aaah, I don't think it is....John Deeres look better... :P Ryan do not archive On Thu, Jan 13, 2011 at 2:39 PM, Kip and Beth Gardner < kipandbeth@earthlink.net> wrote: > I think it's off an old JD tractor... > > On Jan 13, 2011, at 3:25 PM, Ryan Mueller wrote: > > Beautiful airplane otherwise, but in the interest of good taste maybe that > cowl should wither on the vine.... > > Ryan, who is using an a-65 piston as a paperweight > > do not archive > > On Thu, Jan 13, 2011 at 2:09 PM, Ken Chambers wrote: > >> >> The photo of the Canadian Goose in the discussion on wood struts reminded >> me to ask this question: >> >> How did he make the nosebowl? >> >> Can't tell from the photos. Maybe someone who saw it up close knows? >> >> Ken, who just bought some a-65 pistons on ebay. >> >> >> > * > > * > > > * > > * > > ________________________________ Message 27 ____________________________________ Time: 01:45:35 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: runway length? From: "Kringle" No one spoke of width. If laying out a runway how wide would you make it? -------- John Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=326929#326929 ________________________________ Message 28 ____________________________________ Time: 01:53:23 PM PST US From: "Charles Campbell" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Trim set ups Rick, one question. Is the trim tab on only the right elevator or is there one on both? I guess that if it's only on the one side there would be feedback through the cables to the other side. ----- Original Message ----- From: Rick Holland To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Thursday, January 13, 2011 1:34 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Trim set ups Yup, crank snapping/valve eatin corvair. Tain't cheap though: http://www.rayallencompany.com/products/trimsystems.html Just a big RC-type servo and an up/down switch with a high tech looking digital position readout. It actually fits totally within the flipper with no bulges poking out of the fabric (see attached). Yes you will really impress your buds at Brodhead by being the first to show up with an electric trim Piet. rick On Wed, Jan 12, 2011 at 8:02 PM, Kip and Beth Gardner wrote: Now I seen ever-thang! Seriously, it makes sense if you have an electrical system already (like a crank-snappin' Corvair), and if it weighs less than the mechanical alternatives. How about some details? I kind of like it. Kip G. On Jan 12, 2011, at 9:11 PM, Rick Holland wrote: Electric trim on a Piet? You must be kidding! On Wed, Jan 12, 2011 at 3:22 PM, wrote: I believe it=92s time for a fresh thread=85=85=85. Could those of you with trim systems =93flying and not=94 please post pics of your trim tab, and your trim adjustment mechanism in the cockpit. Thanks. Brian SLC-UT " target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List tp://forums.matronics.com _blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution -- Rick Holland Castle Rock, Colorado "Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers, that smell bad" " target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List tp://forums.matronics.com _blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution -- Rick Holland Castle Rock, Colorado "Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers, that smell bad" ________________________________ Message 29 ____________________________________ Time: 02:00:12 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Trim set ups From: "kevinpurtee" Hadn't thought of that. Fly by wire! Can't do that with no bungee-based-east-texas-trim system! do not archive -------- Kevin "Axel" Purtee NX899KP Austin/Georgetown, TX Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=326932#326932 ________________________________ Message 30 ____________________________________ Time: 02:01:06 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Trim set ups From: "kevinpurtee" Was actually eye-ballin' your cover job. Looks really nice, Rick! do not archive -------- Kevin "Axel" Purtee NX899KP Austin/Georgetown, TX Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=326933#326933 ________________________________ Message 31 ____________________________________ Time: 02:03:38 PM PST US From: "Dennis Engelkenjohn" Subject: Pietenpol-List: LG at last That split gear looks great Tom! How did you get clearance on the fuselage ends? I have seen a forked landing gear, and one where the tubing was cut and a longer piece welded alongside for clearance. Dennis Engelkenjohn ________________________________ Message 32 ____________________________________ Time: 02:04:15 PM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Nosebowl question. From: Ken Chambers Eye of the beholder, dudes. On Thu, Jan 13, 2011 at 3:06 PM, Ryan Mueller wrote: > Aaah, I don't think it is....John Deeres look better... :P > > Ryan > > do not archive > > On Thu, Jan 13, 2011 at 2:39 PM, Kip and Beth Gardner < > kipandbeth@earthlink.net> wrote: > >> I think it's off an old JD tractor... >> >> On Jan 13, 2011, at 3:25 PM, Ryan Mueller wrote: >> >> Beautiful airplane otherwise, but in the interest of good taste maybe that >> cowl should wither on the vine.... >> >> Ryan, who is using an a-65 piston as a paperweight >> >> do not archive >> >> On Thu, Jan 13, 2011 at 2:09 PM, Ken Chambers wrote: >> >>> >>> The photo of the Canadian Goose in the discussion on wood struts reminded >>> me to ask this question: >>> >>> How did he make the nosebowl? >>> >>> Can't tell from the photos. Maybe someone who saw it up close knows? >>> >>> Ken, who just bought some a-65 pistons on ebay. >>> >>> >>> >> * >> >> * >> >> >> * >> >> >> 3D======================================= >> 3D==== >> 3D============================================ >> 3D============================================ >> 3D============================================ >> * >> >> > * > > > = > * > > -- Ken Chambers 512-796-1798 ________________________________ Message 33 ____________________________________ Time: 02:26:25 PM PST US From: Kip and Beth Gardner Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Nosebowl question. Absolutely, Ken. Did I say I DISLIKED old JD tractors? do not archive On Jan 13, 2011, at 5:01 PM, Ken Chambers wrote: > > Eye of the beholder, dudes. > > > On Thu, Jan 13, 2011 at 3:06 PM, Ryan Mueller wrote: > Aaah, I don't think it is....John Deeres look better... :P > > Ryan > > do not archive > > On Thu, Jan 13, 2011 at 2:39 PM, Kip and Beth Gardner wrote: > I think it's off an old JD tractor... > > On Jan 13, 2011, at 3:25 PM, Ryan Mueller wrote: > >> Beautiful airplane otherwise, but in the interest of good taste maybe that cowl should wither on the vine.... >> >> Ryan, who is using an a-65 piston as a paperweight >> >> do not archive >> >> On Thu, Jan 13, 2011 at 2:09 PM, Ken Chambers wrote: >> >> The photo of the Canadian Goose in the discussion on wood struts reminded me to ask this question: >> >> How did he make the nosebowl? >> >> Can't tell from the photos. Maybe someone who saw it up close knows? >> >> Ken, who just bought some a-65 pistons on ebay. >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > > 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D > 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D > 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D > > > > > " target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List > > tp://forums.matronics.com > ======== > = > _blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution > > > > > -- > Ken Chambers > 512-796-1798 > > > ________________________________ Message 34 ____________________________________ Time: 02:28:21 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: rudder bar From: "bender" so that's almost 3 inches each way.... thanks Rick jeff Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=326938#326938 ________________________________ Message 35 ____________________________________ Time: 02:44:43 PM PST US From: "TOM STINEMETZE" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: LG at last Dennis: Not sure I understand your question. If you are asking how I got the spring struts to miss each other where they cross, this was done by welding a tab to the back side of the axle on one side and to the front side of the axle on the other. This took some jiggin up, tacking, breaking off, retacking, cursing, etc. before I got it done. Attached are a couple of photos showing the upper left and lower right attachment points. The other side would be opposite. Tom N328X >>> "Dennis Engelkenjohn" 1/13/2011 4:02 PM >>> That split gear looks great Tom! How did you get clearance on the fuselage ends? I have seen a forked landing gear, and one where the tubing was cut and a longer piece welded alongside for clearance. Dennis Engelkenjohn ________________________________ Message 36 ____________________________________ Time: 03:00:08 PM PST US From: KM Heide CPO/FAAOP Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Nosebowl question. I was at Brodhead that year and beleive it was a deep sided long cooking pan which started out behind the prop. This laid the foundation ofr the rest of the cowling... KMHeide Fargo, ND --- On Thu, 1/13/11, Ken Chambers wrote: > From: Ken Chambers > Subject: Pietenpol-List: Nosebowl question. > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > Date: Thursday, January 13, 2011, 2:09 PM > > The photo of the Canadian Goose in the discussion on > wood struts reminded me to ask this question: > How did he make the > nosebowl? > Can't tell from the photos. Maybe someone > who saw it up close knows? > > Ken, who just bought some a-65 pistons on > ebay. > > > ________________________________ Message 37 ____________________________________ Time: 03:08:56 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Nosebowl question. From: "Bill Church" Back to the original question... I spoke with the builder when he was at Brodhead, and I recall him saying that it was fiberglass. I believe he built up a mould and made it himself. Bill, who doesn't have any A-65 pistons in the mail, or on my desk, or at all, for that matter. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=326947#326947 ________________________________ Message 38 ____________________________________ Time: 03:10:04 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: runway length? From: "Kringle" And if I build it, will they come? -------- John Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=326948#326948 ________________________________ Message 39 ____________________________________ Time: 03:21:12 PM PST US From: shad bell Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Corvair Valve issue OK, here is the procedure in a nutshell, pull the valve cover,pull the spar k plug, remove the rocker arms on affected cylinder, then remove the valve keepers.- I tied a string around the valve stem just as insurance so it d id not fall down in the cylinder.- Now use a long (6 inch) q-tip or simil ar to apply valve compound to the valve (push the valve in to the cyl just enough to see it through the spark plug hole.)- Now pull the valve into t he seat.--To get-enough pressure on the valve (pushing outward), I us ed a clean piece of 3/16 or so nylon clothes-line-about 4 ft long, and sh oved it through the spark plug hole, and pull the prop thru untill you feel the piston push the rope against the top of the combustion chamber. Now ro tate the valve around and around untill it feels clean and smooth.- You m ight have to repeat a couple times to get a good seal.- To clean excess c ompound out of the cylinder I used the clean rope.- Back off the piston b y rotating the prop back, push the valve into the cyl just about 1/2 in or s o, and try to pinch the rope between the valve, and the seat by pulling the valve toward the seat (rope between them) then simply spin the valve by ha nd and the compound will wipe off on the rope.- Remove the rope re-assemb le and wa-la.- Now some notes, 1st if you can, take a compression reading with a differential pressure gauge (aviation style)before you dissasemble anything, this will help you narrow which valve is loaded up (exaust or int ake), this will also tell you if it is fixed when you are done.-Next you will have to deflate your lifters before reinstalling the push rods and roc ker arms, this will be nessasary to get your valves adjusted properly when you put it all back togeather.- If you need any other help just send me a n e-mail, I will help if I can.- I had a bad compression check a couple y ears back, 55/80psi, when I was done it was 79/80 and that was a cold engine, so this should help if it is lead on the valve. - - Shad P.S.this works on a cont. or lycoming as well, actually eaiser because they have 2, bigger spark plug holes. =0A=0A=0A ________________________________ Message 40 ____________________________________ Time: 03:33:37 PM PST US From: Matthew VanDervort Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: runway length? I'll swing by if you do! And I've been in and out of a few runways that were 50' wide or so that didn't give any problems, and when there's corn on both sides kinda gives you the feeling that you're about to take a down a death star! Would depend on the height of what's along side it, I wouldn't want much less. Do not archive Sent from my iPhone On Jan 13, 2011, at 6:07 PM, "Kringle" wrote: > > And if I build it, will they come? > > -------- > John > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=326948#326948 > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 41 ____________________________________ Time: 03:33:37 PM PST US From: "Dennis Engelkenjohn" Subject: Pietenpol-List: LG at last Thanks Tom. You understood it exactly right. I moved my axle forward slightly and am working on doing what you did. The forward axle complicates things somewhat. Did you have to move the vertical bolts, the ones which go through the ash crossmember on the bottom of the fuselage toward the center any more or was the location all right as per the plans. The bolts to which I am referring are the two in the bottom picture with the bolt heads down and the nuts in the inside of the fuselage. Thanks for the pictures by the way. They were very helpful. Dennis ________________________________ Message 42 ____________________________________ Time: 03:39:38 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Ski pictures From: "Don Emch" Just thought I'd post a few pictures of the skis that I've borrowed from Frank Pavliga. Eventually I plan to build my own. I'll post the very amateurish sketch that I made too. Every Piet pilot should have the opportunity to lower their cold tolerance by flying on skis! Don Emch NX899DE Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=326953#326953 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/ski_5_144.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/ski_4_325.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/ski_3_136.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/ski_2_985.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/ski_1_478.jpg ________________________________ Message 43 ____________________________________ Time: 03:45:14 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Ski pictures From: "Don Emch" Here is the sketch I made. Kind of simple, hope it makes sense. I made the tail ski after spending a couple of winters dragging the tailwheel through the snow. It is much smoother now with the tail ski. Don Emch NX899DE Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=326954#326954 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/ski_sketch_560.pdf ________________________________ Message 44 ____________________________________ Time: 03:47:22 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Nosebowl question. From: "Bill Church" Ken, You're thinking of Greg Cardinal and Dale Johnson's Piet. and I think it actually started out as a LID for a cooking pan. Still has the vents, to let out the steam. http://www.westcoastpiet.com/images/Greg%20and%20Dale/images/IMG_0424.JPG Bill C. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=326955#326955 ________________________________ Message 45 ____________________________________ Time: 03:47:58 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Ski pictures From: "Don Emch" By the way, I had the bungees off for replacement when the pictures were taken. The skis are rigged as per the AC43.13 manual. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=326956#326956 ________________________________ Message 46 ____________________________________ Time: 04:06:53 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: runway length? From: "Jerry Dotson" My runway is 40 feet wide and is adequate. One of the guys that flies in a J-3 complains about it being narrow. He has a little one of a kind bipe that he won't fly here because of the narrow runway. I have no problem with it. -------- Jerry Dotson 59 Daniel Johnson Rd Baker, FL 32531 Started building NX510JD July, 2009 wing, tailfeathers done, fuselage rolling using Lycoming O-235 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=326958#326958 ________________________________ Message 47 ____________________________________ Time: 04:46:36 PM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Nosebowl question. From: Ken Chambers Thanks KM I'm not too familiar with big pans so I can't picture one so curvy on the bottom, which I guess would be the front of the nosebowl? Ken On Thu, Jan 13, 2011 at 4:57 PM, KM Heide CPO/FAAOP wrote: > kmheidecpo@yahoo.com> > > I was at Brodhead that year and beleive it was a deep sided long cooking > pan which started out behind the prop. This laid the foundation ofr the rest > of the cowling... > > KMHeide > Fargo, ND > > > --- On Thu, 1/13/11, Ken Chambers wrote: > > > From: Ken Chambers > > Subject: Pietenpol-List: Nosebowl question. > > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > > Date: Thursday, January 13, 2011, 2:09 PM > > > > The photo of the Canadian Goose in the discussion on > > wood struts reminded me to ask this question: > > How did he make the > > nosebowl? > > Can't tell from the photos. Maybe someone > > who saw it up close knows? > > > > Ken, who just bought some a-65 pistons on > > ebay. > > > > > > > > -- Ken Chambers 512-796-1798 ________________________________ Message 48 ____________________________________ Time: 06:51:08 PM PST US From: "Dick N" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Ski pictures Thanks Don, for the ski pics. I've been meaning to build a pair, but haven't gotten to it. I'm planning on using a pair of water skiis. Dick N. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Don Emch" Sent: Thursday, January 13, 2011 5:37 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Ski pictures > > Just thought I'd post a few pictures of the skis that I've borrowed from > Frank Pavliga. Eventually I plan to build my own. I'll post the very > amateurish sketch that I made too. Every Piet pilot should have the > opportunity to lower their cold tolerance by flying on skis! > > Don Emch > NX899DE > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=326953#326953 > > > Attachments: > > http://forums.matronics.com//files/ski_5_144.jpg > http://forums.matronics.com//files/ski_4_325.jpg > http://forums.matronics.com//files/ski_3_136.jpg > http://forums.matronics.com//files/ski_2_985.jpg > http://forums.matronics.com//files/ski_1_478.jpg > > > ________________________________ Message 49 ____________________________________ Time: 07:31:40 PM PST US From: "Clif Dawson" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Nosebowl question. Made a mold of a St. Lawrence Beluga. Gotta use local resources. Clif ----- Original Message ----- From: Ken Chambers How did he make the nosebowl? Can't tell from the photos. Maybe someone who saw it up close knows? ________________________________ Message 50 ____________________________________ Time: 07:47:31 PM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Nosebowl question. From: Ken Chambers I'm sensing a subtle undercurrent here, a hint of disrespect for the Goose's nosebowl. On Thu, Jan 13, 2011 at 9:17 PM, Clif Dawson wrote: > Made a mold of a St. Lawrence Beluga. > > Gotta use local resources. > > Clif > > ----- Original Message ----- > *From:* Ken Chambers > > How did he make the nosebowl? > Can't tell from the photos. Maybe someone who saw it up close knows? > > > * > > * > > -- Ken Chambers 512-796-1798 ________________________________ Message 51 ____________________________________ Time: 07:47:38 PM PST US From: Matthew VanDervort Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: runway length? May I ask what is along side your runway? Please do not archive Sent from my iPhone On Jan 13, 2011, at 7:04 PM, "Jerry Dotson" wrote: > > My runway is 40 feet wide and is adequate. One of the guys that flies in a J-3 complains about it being narrow. He has a little one of a kind bipe that he won't fly here because of the narrow runway. I have no problem with it. > > -------- > Jerry Dotson > 59 Daniel Johnson Rd > Baker, FL 32531 > > Started building NX510JD July, 2009 > wing, tailfeathers done, fuselage rolling > using Lycoming O-235 > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=326958#326958 > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 52 ____________________________________ Time: 08:02:27 PM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: runway length? From: Andrew M Eldredge 35 feet of pavement at 6AZ8 worked fine, It has extra shoulder on either side. Andrew On Thu, Jan 13, 2011 at 8:44 PM, Matthew VanDervort < matthew.vandervort@gmail.com> wrote: > matthew.vandervort@gmail.com> > > May I ask what is along side your runway? > > Please do not archive > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Jan 13, 2011, at 7:04 PM, "Jerry Dotson" > wrote: > > jdotson@centurylink.net> > > > > My runway is 40 feet wide and is adequate. One of the guys that flies in > a J-3 complains about it being narrow. He has a little one of a kind bipe > that he won't fly here because of the narrow runway. I have no problem with > it. > > > > -------- > > Jerry Dotson > > 59 Daniel Johnson Rd > > Baker, FL 32531 > > > > Started building NX510JD July, 2009 > > wing, tailfeathers done, fuselage rolling > > using Lycoming O-235 > > > > > > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=326958#326958 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- Andrew Eldredge Sahuarita, AZ ________________________________ Message 53 ____________________________________ Time: 09:21:16 PM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: wing strut fork ends From: Rick Holland Since the melting point of aluminum is only 1220.58 F a good hot fire will melt it to a big blog leaving only that snapped crank (which could make a good wind chime). do not archive On Thu, Jan 13, 2011 at 12:32 PM, Ryan Mueller wrote: > Kevin, > > It will be most excellent to see you at Brodhead again this year. Just a > word of advice.....even if you do all that, someone will dig the engine up > and want to use it for a Corvaircraft conversion. :) > > Ryan > > do not archive > > On Thu, Jan 13, 2011 at 12:59 PM, kevinpurtee wrote: > >> kevin.purtee@us.army.mil> >> >> Man, Larry. I thought I was the only one terrified to fly my own plane. >> Since I've got the valve-eating, crank-snapping corvair I'm not sure if >> just burning it will be enough. I'll have to bury it and then plow and salt >> the earth above the spot. Maybe have an exorcism for good measure? >> >> Different subject: I'm so very much looking forward to the >> Austin-Brodhead-Austin adventure again this year. The only drama >> (well-documented) from last year was pilot-induced. >> >> do not archive >> >> -------- >> Kevin "Axel" Purtee >> NX899KP >> Austin/Georgetown, TX >> >> >> >> >> Read this topic online here: >> >> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=326908#326908 >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ========== >> st" target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List >> ========== >> http://forums.matronics.com >> ========== >> le, List Admin. >> ="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution >> ========== >> >> >> >> > * > > * > > -- Rick Holland Castle Rock, Colorado "Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers, that smell bad" ________________________________ Message 54 ____________________________________ Time: 09:34:59 PM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Trim set ups From: Rick Holland Just on the right side. The elevators are independent but are rigidly attached to each other via the bellcrank. A force on one side will be transferred to the other. On Thu, Jan 13, 2011 at 2:50 PM, Charles Campbell wrote: > Rick, one question. Is the trim tab on only the right elevator or is > there one on both? I guess that if it's only on the one side there would be > feedback through the cables to the other side. > > ----- Original Message ----- > *From:* Rick Holland > *To:* pietenpol-list@matronics.com > *Sent:* Thursday, January 13, 2011 1:34 PM > *Subject:* Re: Pietenpol-List: Trim set ups > > Yup, crank snapping/valve eatin corvair. Tain't cheap though: > > http://www.rayallencompany.com/products/trimsystems.html > > Just a big RC-type servo and an up/down switch with a high tech looking > digital position readout. It actually fits totally within the flipper wit h > no bulges poking out of the fabric (see attached). Yes you will really > impress your buds at Brodhead by being the first to show up with an elect ric > trim Piet. > > rick > > On Wed, Jan 12, 2011 at 8:02 PM, Kip and Beth Gardner < > kipandbeth@earthlink.net> wrote: > >> Now I seen ever-thang! Seriously, it makes sense if you have an >> electrical system already (like a crank-snappin' Corvair), and if it wei ghs >> less than the mechanical alternatives. >> >> How about some details? I kind of like it. >> >> Kip G. >> >> On Jan 12, 2011, at 9:11 PM, Rick Holland wrote: >> >> Electric trim on a Piet? You must be kidding! >> >> >> >> On Wed, Jan 12, 2011 at 3:22 PM, wrote: >> >>> I believe it=92s time for a fresh thread=85=85=85. Could those of you with >>> trim systems =93flying and not=94 please post pics of your trim tab, a nd your >>> trim adjustment mechanism in the cockpit. Thanks. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Brian >>> >>> SLC-UT >>> >>> * >>> >>> " target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List >>> tp://forums.matronics.com >>> _blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution >>> * >>> >>> >> >> >> -- >> Rick Holland >> Castle Rock, Colorado >> >> "Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers, that smell bad" >> >> >> >> * >> >> " target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List >> tp://forums.matronics.com >> _blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution >> * >> >> > > > -- > Rick Holland > Castle Rock, Colorado > > "Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers, that smell bad" > > * > =========== =========== =========== =========== > * > > -- Rick Holland Castle Rock, Colorado "Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers, that smell bad" ________________________________ Message 55 ____________________________________ Time: 09:51:26 PM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Trim set ups From: Rick Holland Yea, kind of low tech fly-by-wire, just no computer between the control and the servo. On Thu, Jan 13, 2011 at 2:57 PM, kevinpurtee wrote: > kevin.purtee@us.army.mil> > > Hadn't thought of that. Fly by wire! Can't do that with no > bungee-based-east-texas-trim system! > > do not archive > > -------- > Kevin "Axel" Purtee > NX899KP > Austin/Georgetown, TX > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=326932#326932 > > -- Rick Holland Castle Rock, Colorado "Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers, that smell bad" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message pietenpol-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Pietenpol-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/pietenpol-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/pietenpol-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.