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1. 01:14 AM - Re: runway length? (Kringle)
2. 03:50 AM - Re: Re: runway length? (Charles Campbell)
3. 03:54 AM - Re: runway length? (Jerry Dotson)
4. 05:42 AM - Continental cowling question (Oscar Zuniga)
5. 06:23 AM - Re: LG at last (TOM STINEMETZE)
6. 06:25 AM - Re: Ski pictures (TOM STINEMETZE)
7. 07:08 AM - radiators (bender)
8. 09:26 AM - Extra wing width (integritywood)
9. 09:38 AM - Re: rudder bar (899PM)
10. 09:51 AM - Re: Extra wing width (Jack Phillips)
11. 10:40 AM - Re: Extra wing width (gcardinal@comcast.net)
12. 12:31 PM - Wing Center Section (Kringle)
13. 02:08 PM - Re: Extra wing width (Kimball Isaac)
14. 02:22 PM - Re: Re: runway length? (Wizzard187)
15. 03:16 PM - Piet on Barnstormers (Jerry Dotson)
16. 05:30 PM - Re: Ski pictures (pineymb)
17. 05:41 PM - Re: BPA article (JohnC)
18. 05:52 PM - Re: Re: BPA article (Richard Schreiber)
19. 07:11 PM - Re: Ski pictures (Don Emch)
20. 10:39 PM - Re: Re: runway length? (Clif Dawson)
21. 10:59 PM - Re: BPA article (Billy McCaskill)
22. 11:02 PM - Re: Wing Center Section (Billy McCaskill)
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| Subject: | Re: runway length? |
May I ask what is along side your runway?
If I build it, it will have corn, beans, or wheat next to it. I also have enough
land to make a parking area and have camping sites.
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John
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| Subject: | Re: runway length? |
The wider you make it, the more you gotta mow!
----- Original Message -----
From: "Kringle" <Mrkringles@msn.com>
Sent: Thursday, January 13, 2011 4:43 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: runway length?
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| Subject: | Re: runway length? |
Re: May I ask what is along side your runway?
I grow Pensacola Bahia grass for hay. Just before cutting it will be near knee
high. It will stain your prop if you get out in the field. If I didn't have to
do the mowing of the runway I would make it 60 feet wide but it takes near an
hour every 4 or 5 days in the good growing season to mow it.
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Jerry Dotson
59 Daniel Johnson Rd
Baker, FL 32531
Started building NX510JD July, 2009
wing, tailfeathers done, fuselage rolling
using Lycoming O-235
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| Subject: | Continental cowling question |
I will echo what others have said... make the access hole for your
oil fill/dipstick plenty large. Mine is a bit of a pain to get my
hand on and I can't make it larger without cutting a stiffener/doubler
inside the cowling. Other than that, I would suggest making it as
easy as possible to remove either the top or bottom half of the cowling,
or both. It will encourage thorough inspections if you can open the
cowling without having to remove a bunch of fasteners or accessories.
You need to get to the oil screen regularly and that's on the rear of
the engine and is safetied, for example.
Sorry to mix subjects here, but our runway at San Geronimo is 40' wide,
paved, with clear shoulders at least that wide on both sides. I have
never felt crowded landing there and have never run off the pavement
when I use it. I prefer to land on the grass area ahead of the paved
runway instead. Photo of our field is at http://www.airnav.com/airport/8T8
Oscar Zuniga
Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
San Antonio, TX
website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
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Dennis:
With the axles in the "Hoopman drawings" location I did not have to change
the bolt pattern at all. However when I do the next set with the axles
moved forward I may have to relocate at least one bolt. Note on the plans
that it shows an alternate hole location on one of the fuselage plates for
that very reason. This is so the lug you weld to the fuselage plate does
not interfere with the attachment bolt.
I am seriously thinking of a redesign similar to what Chuck Gantzer used
which might help with the lug location problem. Follow the attached link
and scroll down to the bottom of the page. And, Good Luck!
http://nx770cg.com/Fuselage.html
Tom
N328X
>>> "Dennis Engelkenjohn" <mushface1@gmail.com> 1/13/2011 5:30 PM >>>
Did you have to move the vertical bolts, the ones which go through the ash
crossmember on the bottom of the fuselage toward the center any more or
was the location all right as per the plans.
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| Subject: | Re: Ski pictures |
If I'm not mistaken, those skies appear to be made out of OAK. OAK on a
PIETENPOL? For heaven's sake, what would Mr. P say?
Tom S.
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>>> "Don Emch" <EmchAir@aol.com> 1/13/2011 5:37 PM >>>
Just thought I'd post a few pictures of the skis that I've borrowed from
Frank Pavliga.
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Hey Guys... are the Forest Lovely radiators one row or two row radiators..?
Jeff
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| Subject: | Extra wing width |
Good Morning
In your PP (pietenpol preamble) Mike you suggested one mod if any being wider
wing. I plan to make my center section 3 ft wide and an extra foot on each wing.
Would you just add say a foot and one more rib on the end or would the wing
strut attach point also need to move out I'm leaning toward I-beam spar with
1/4 birch ply and doug fir caps so should be a strong spar. Just wondering what
you or anyone thinks for that matter.
Thanks in advance for any advice. I make no promises to take all of it but let
it suffice to say it will likely weigh heavily in my decision.
Kim
Thinking of getting one of my old corvair pistons cleaned up for a paperweight.
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"She is about as hot as you'll ever find a plane and I'll bet that 10 years
from now the design will be pretty warm still." B. H. Pietenpol
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Jeff,
I will measure mine tonite for a comparison if you still need it. I have a wider
fuse(2") and made the rudder bar a little wider, so will measure it at print
dim.
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PAPA MIKE
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| Subject: | Extra wing width |
Kim,
I made my centersection 3' wide, which required modifying the cabane
strut
attach fittings (not a big deal - just something to think about, and it
allows for a larger fuel tank in the centersection). I would agree that
adding a foot to each wing is probably a good thing, but there are some
things that should be considered.
1. I would move the lift strut attach points outboard so the struts
continue to hit the middle of the spars. This keeps the lift pretty
much
centered on the struts and reduces bending stress in the spars.
2. If you make the wings longer, you might seriously consider adding a
third or even a fourth bay of drag wires and compression struts. The
drag
wire angles involved with the standard Pietenpol wing are more acute
than
any other airplane I know, and this tends to really increase the loads
in
the cables. Most airplanes have the drag wires cross the anti-drag
wires at
pretty close to a 90=B0 angle, but the Pietenpol tends to cross at more
like a
45=B0 angle. Making the bays longer just exarcerbates this.
Other than that, I can=92t think of any problems that making the wings a
foot
longer would cause.
Good luck!
Jack Phillips
NX899JP =93Icarus Plummet=94
Raleigh, NC
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
integritywood
Sent: Friday, January 14, 2011 12:24 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Extra wing width
<kim.integrity@gmail.com>
Good Morning
In your PP (pietenpol preamble) Mike you suggested one mod if any being
wider wing. I plan to make my center section 3 ft wide and an extra foot
on
each wing. Would you just add say a foot and one more rib on the end or
would the wing strut attach point also need to move out I'm leaning
toward
I-beam spar with 1/4 birch ply and doug fir caps so should be a strong
spar.
Just wondering what you or anyone thinks for that matter.
Thanks in advance for any advice. I make no promises to take all of it
but
let it suffice to say it will likely weigh heavily in my decision.
Kim
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| Subject: | Re: Extra wing width |
Kim,
Do not base your spar web and cap dimensions on guesses, assumptions or oth
ers opinions.
Go here:=C2- http://westcoastpiet.com/images/Construction/I%20Beam%20Anal
ysis.pdf =C2-and do your own caculations.
Cheers,
Greg C.
----- Original Message -----
From: "integritywood" <kim.integrity@gmail.com>
Sent: Friday, January 14, 2011 11:23:52 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Extra wing width
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Good Morning
In your =C2-PP (pietenpol preamble) Mike you suggested one mod if any bei
ng wider wing. I plan to make my center section 3 ft wide and an extra foot
on each wing. Would you just add say a foot and one more rib on the end or
would the wing strut attach point also need to move out I'm leaning toward
I-beam spar with 1/4 birch ply and doug fir caps so should be a strong spa
r. Just wondering what you or anyone thinks for that matter.
Thanks in advance for any advice. I make no promises to take all of it but
let it suffice to say it will likely weigh heavily in my decision.
Kim
Thinking of getting one of my old corvair pistons cleaned up for a paperwei
ght.
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"She is about as hot as you'll ever find a plane and I'll bet that 10
years from now the design will be pretty warm still." =C2-B. H. Piet
enpol
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| Subject: | Wing Center Section |
I'm progressing well on my ribs (one a day) and am thinking about building the
wing center section next. Can anyone direct me to a sight that has some good
pictures of this part being built?
Thanks
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John
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| Subject: | Re: Extra wing width |
Just a question then what would I use for weight on front spar is 2/3of
gross x 4g a good figure
Kim
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| Subject: | Re: runway length? |
Get a 7 ft disk mower and a 70 hp tractor and you can mow it in 2 hours an
d does a great job. Ken in Ice cold Iowa (my problem is pocket gopher
s)
-----Original Message-----
From: Charles Campbell <cncampbell@windstream.net>
Sent: Fri, Jan 14, 2011 5:47 am
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: runway length?
tream.net>
The wider you make it, the more you gotta mow!
----- Original Message ----- From: "Kringle" <Mrkringles@msn.com>
Sent: Thursday, January 13, 2011 4:43 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: runway length?
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?
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| Subject: | Piet on Barnstormers |
There is a Pietenpol project,36 hours on William Wynn Corvair
$6000 just added this afternoon
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Jerry Dotson
59 Daniel Johnson Rd
Baker, FL 32531
Started building NX510JD July, 2009
wing, tailfeathers done, fuselage rolling
using Lycoming O-235
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| Subject: | Re: Ski pictures |
Check out this Piet on a set of Federal skis at Gimli on Lake Winnipeg.
I believe this is one of the oldest Piets still flying on a regular bases. Thinking
it was built around 1935.
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Adrian M
Winnipeg, MB
Canada
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Is there anyone else who has not got their newsletter yet, or is it just me.
Do not archive
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I just hope when it's my turn to reach up and touch the face of God, I don't poke
him in the eye on accident.
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I'm still waiting for mine.
Rick Schreiber
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> [Original Message]
> From: JohnC <jcalvert@trinityvideo.net>
> To: <pietenpol-list@matronics.com>
> Date: 1/14/2011 7:43:20 PM
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: BPA article
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> Is there anyone else who has not got their newsletter yet, or is it just
me.
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> I just hope when it's my turn to reach up and touch the face of God, I
don't poke him in the eye on accident.
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| Subject: | Re: Ski pictures |
The bottoms are birch, I believe. The doubler added to the top is oak though.
Don Emch
NX899DE
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| Subject: | Re: runway length? |
Sounds like you need 22" rims with 3.50 tires. :-)
Just roll right over the little buggers, AND their holes!
Clif
----- Original Message -----
From: Wizzard187
Ken in Ice cold Iowa (my problem is pocket gophers)
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Mine was really late arriving at my house also, I just received it Wednesday afternoon.
I had even emailed Doc and Dee last week to see if my copy had been
mailed, and they assured me that it had been mailed. USPS is notorious for being
very slow after the holidays...
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Billy McCaskill
Urbana, IL
tail section almost done, starting on ribs soon
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| Subject: | Re: Wing Center Section |
www.westcoastpiet.com should provide a lot of usable information if you poke around a bit.
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Billy McCaskill
Urbana, IL
tail section almost done, starting on ribs soon
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