---------------------------------------------------------- Pietenpol-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Fri 01/14/11: 22 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 01:14 AM - Re: runway length? (Kringle) 2. 03:50 AM - Re: Re: runway length? (Charles Campbell) 3. 03:54 AM - Re: runway length? (Jerry Dotson) 4. 05:42 AM - Continental cowling question (Oscar Zuniga) 5. 06:23 AM - Re: LG at last (TOM STINEMETZE) 6. 06:25 AM - Re: Ski pictures (TOM STINEMETZE) 7. 07:08 AM - radiators (bender) 8. 09:26 AM - Extra wing width (integritywood) 9. 09:38 AM - Re: rudder bar (899PM) 10. 09:51 AM - Re: Extra wing width (Jack Phillips) 11. 10:40 AM - Re: Extra wing width (gcardinal@comcast.net) 12. 12:31 PM - Wing Center Section (Kringle) 13. 02:08 PM - Re: Extra wing width (Kimball Isaac) 14. 02:22 PM - Re: Re: runway length? (Wizzard187) 15. 03:16 PM - Piet on Barnstormers (Jerry Dotson) 16. 05:30 PM - Re: Ski pictures (pineymb) 17. 05:41 PM - Re: BPA article (JohnC) 18. 05:52 PM - Re: Re: BPA article (Richard Schreiber) 19. 07:11 PM - Re: Ski pictures (Don Emch) 20. 10:39 PM - Re: Re: runway length? (Clif Dawson) 21. 10:59 PM - Re: BPA article (Billy McCaskill) 22. 11:02 PM - Re: Wing Center Section (Billy McCaskill) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 01:14:38 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: runway length? From: "Kringle" May I ask what is along side your runway? If I build it, it will have corn, beans, or wheat next to it. I also have enough land to make a parking area and have camping sites. -------- John Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=326990#326990 ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 03:50:25 AM PST US From: "Charles Campbell" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: runway length? The wider you make it, the more you gotta mow! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kringle" Sent: Thursday, January 13, 2011 4:43 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: runway length? > > No one spoke of width. If laying out a runway how wide would you make it? > > -------- > John > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=326929#326929 > > > ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 03:54:58 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: runway length? From: "Jerry Dotson" Re: May I ask what is along side your runway? I grow Pensacola Bahia grass for hay. Just before cutting it will be near knee high. It will stain your prop if you get out in the field. If I didn't have to do the mowing of the runway I would make it 60 feet wide but it takes near an hour every 4 or 5 days in the good growing season to mow it. -------- Jerry Dotson 59 Daniel Johnson Rd Baker, FL 32531 Started building NX510JD July, 2009 wing, tailfeathers done, fuselage rolling using Lycoming O-235 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=326994#326994 ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 05:42:53 AM PST US From: Oscar Zuniga Subject: Pietenpol-List: Continental cowling question I will echo what others have said... make the access hole for your oil fill/dipstick plenty large. Mine is a bit of a pain to get my hand on and I can't make it larger without cutting a stiffener/doubler inside the cowling. Other than that, I would suggest making it as easy as possible to remove either the top or bottom half of the cowling, or both. It will encourage thorough inspections if you can open the cowling without having to remove a bunch of fasteners or accessories. You need to get to the oil screen regularly and that's on the rear of the engine and is safetied, for example. Sorry to mix subjects here, but our runway at San Geronimo is 40' wide, paved, with clear shoulders at least that wide on both sides. I have never felt crowded landing there and have never run off the pavement when I use it. I prefer to land on the grass area ahead of the paved runway instead. Photo of our field is at http://www.airnav.com/airport/8T8 Oscar Zuniga Air Camper NX41CC "Scout" San Antonio, TX website at http://www.flysquirrel.net ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 06:23:57 AM PST US From: "TOM STINEMETZE" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: LG at last Dennis: With the axles in the "Hoopman drawings" location I did not have to change the bolt pattern at all. However when I do the next set with the axles moved forward I may have to relocate at least one bolt. Note on the plans that it shows an alternate hole location on one of the fuselage plates for that very reason. This is so the lug you weld to the fuselage plate does not interfere with the attachment bolt. I am seriously thinking of a redesign similar to what Chuck Gantzer used which might help with the lug location problem. Follow the attached link and scroll down to the bottom of the page. And, Good Luck! http://nx770cg.com/Fuselage.html Tom N328X >>> "Dennis Engelkenjohn" 1/13/2011 5:30 PM >>> Did you have to move the vertical bolts, the ones which go through the ash crossmember on the bottom of the fuselage toward the center any more or was the location all right as per the plans. ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 06:25:50 AM PST US From: "TOM STINEMETZE" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Ski pictures If I'm not mistaken, those skies appear to be made out of OAK. OAK on a PIETENPOL? For heaven's sake, what would Mr. P say? Tom S. do not archive >>> "Don Emch" 1/13/2011 5:37 PM >>> Just thought I'd post a few pictures of the skis that I've borrowed from Frank Pavliga. ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 07:08:21 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: radiators From: "bender" Hey Guys... are the Forest Lovely radiators one row or two row radiators..? Jeff Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=327011#327011 ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 09:26:23 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Extra wing width From: "integritywood" Good Morning In your PP (pietenpol preamble) Mike you suggested one mod if any being wider wing. I plan to make my center section 3 ft wide and an extra foot on each wing. Would you just add say a foot and one more rib on the end or would the wing strut attach point also need to move out I'm leaning toward I-beam spar with 1/4 birch ply and doug fir caps so should be a strong spar. Just wondering what you or anyone thinks for that matter. Thanks in advance for any advice. I make no promises to take all of it but let it suffice to say it will likely weigh heavily in my decision. Kim Thinking of getting one of my old corvair pistons cleaned up for a paperweight. -------- "She is about as hot as you'll ever find a plane and I'll bet that 10 years from now the design will be pretty warm still." B. H. Pietenpol Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=327024#327024 ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 09:38:48 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: rudder bar From: "899PM" Jeff, I will measure mine tonite for a comparison if you still need it. I have a wider fuse(2") and made the rudder bar a little wider, so will measure it at print dim. -------- PAPA MIKE Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=327027#327027 ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 09:51:03 AM PST US From: "Jack Phillips" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Extra wing width Kim, I made my centersection 3' wide, which required modifying the cabane strut attach fittings (not a big deal - just something to think about, and it allows for a larger fuel tank in the centersection). I would agree that adding a foot to each wing is probably a good thing, but there are some things that should be considered. 1. I would move the lift strut attach points outboard so the struts continue to hit the middle of the spars. This keeps the lift pretty much centered on the struts and reduces bending stress in the spars. 2. If you make the wings longer, you might seriously consider adding a third or even a fourth bay of drag wires and compression struts. The drag wire angles involved with the standard Pietenpol wing are more acute than any other airplane I know, and this tends to really increase the loads in the cables. Most airplanes have the drag wires cross the anti-drag wires at pretty close to a 90=B0 angle, but the Pietenpol tends to cross at more like a 45=B0 angle. Making the bays longer just exarcerbates this. Other than that, I can=92t think of any problems that making the wings a foot longer would cause. Good luck! Jack Phillips NX899JP =93Icarus Plummet=94 Raleigh, NC -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of integritywood Sent: Friday, January 14, 2011 12:24 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Extra wing width Good Morning In your PP (pietenpol preamble) Mike you suggested one mod if any being wider wing. I plan to make my center section 3 ft wide and an extra foot on each wing. Would you just add say a foot and one more rib on the end or would the wing strut attach point also need to move out I'm leaning toward I-beam spar with 1/4 birch ply and doug fir caps so should be a strong spar. Just wondering what you or anyone thinks for that matter. Thanks in advance for any advice. I make no promises to take all of it but let it suffice to say it will likely weigh heavily in my decision. Kim ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 10:40:21 AM PST US From: gcardinal@comcast.net Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Extra wing width Kim, Do not base your spar web and cap dimensions on guesses, assumptions or oth ers opinions. Go here:=C2- http://westcoastpiet.com/images/Construction/I%20Beam%20Anal ysis.pdf =C2-and do your own caculations. Cheers, Greg C. ----- Original Message ----- From: "integritywood" Sent: Friday, January 14, 2011 11:23:52 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Extra wing width com> Good Morning In your =C2-PP (pietenpol preamble) Mike you suggested one mod if any bei ng wider wing. I plan to make my center section 3 ft wide and an extra foot on each wing. Would you just add say a foot and one more rib on the end or would the wing strut attach point also need to move out I'm leaning toward I-beam spar with 1/4 birch ply and doug fir caps so should be a strong spa r. Just wondering what you or anyone thinks for that matter. Thanks in advance for any advice. I make no promises to take all of it but let it suffice to say it will likely weigh heavily in my decision. Kim Thinking of getting one of my old corvair pistons cleaned up for a paperwei ght. -------- "She is about as hot as you'll ever find a plane and I'll bet that 10 years from now the design will be pretty warm still." =C2-B. H. Piet enpol Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=327024#327024 =========== =========== MS - =========== e - =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2--Matt Dralle, List Admin. =========== ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 12:31:31 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Wing Center Section From: "Kringle" I'm progressing well on my ribs (one a day) and am thinking about building the wing center section next. Can anyone direct me to a sight that has some good pictures of this part being built? Thanks -------- John Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=327044#327044 ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 02:08:46 PM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Extra wing width From: Kimball Isaac Just a question then what would I use for weight on front spar is 2/3of gross x 4g a good figure Kim ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 02:22:08 PM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: runway length? From: Wizzard187 Get a 7 ft disk mower and a 70 hp tractor and you can mow it in 2 hours an d does a great job. Ken in Ice cold Iowa (my problem is pocket gopher s) -----Original Message----- From: Charles Campbell Sent: Fri, Jan 14, 2011 5:47 am Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: runway length? tream.net> The wider you make it, the more you gotta mow! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kringle" Sent: Thursday, January 13, 2011 4:43 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: runway length? > > No one spoke of width. If laying out a runway how wide would you make it ? > > -------- > John > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=326929#326929 > > > > > > > > > > > ======================== ============ ======================== ============ ======================== ============ ======================== ============ ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 03:16:50 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Piet on Barnstormers From: "Jerry Dotson" There is a Pietenpol project,36 hours on William Wynn Corvair $6000 just added this afternoon -------- Jerry Dotson 59 Daniel Johnson Rd Baker, FL 32531 Started building NX510JD July, 2009 wing, tailfeathers done, fuselage rolling using Lycoming O-235 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=327053#327053 ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 05:30:59 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Ski pictures From: "pineymb" Check out this Piet on a set of Federal skis at Gimli on Lake Winnipeg. I believe this is one of the oldest Piets still flying on a regular bases. Thinking it was built around 1935. -------- Adrian M Winnipeg, MB Canada Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=327061#327061 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/imgp1415_213.jpg ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 05:41:48 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: BPA article From: "JohnC" Is there anyone else who has not got their newsletter yet, or is it just me. Do not archive -------- I just hope when it's my turn to reach up and touch the face of God, I don't poke him in the eye on accident. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=327063#327063 ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 05:52:41 PM PST US From: "Richard Schreiber" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: BPA article I'm still waiting for mine. Rick Schreiber do not archive > [Original Message] > From: JohnC > To: > Date: 1/14/2011 7:43:20 PM > Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: BPA article > > > Is there anyone else who has not got their newsletter yet, or is it just me. > > Do not archive > > -------- > I just hope when it's my turn to reach up and touch the face of God, I don't poke him in the eye on accident. > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=327063#327063 > > > ----- > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 07:11:09 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Ski pictures From: "Don Emch" The bottoms are birch, I believe. The doubler added to the top is oak though. Don Emch NX899DE Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=327067#327067 ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 10:39:23 PM PST US From: "Clif Dawson" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: runway length? Sounds like you need 22" rims with 3.50 tires. :-) Just roll right over the little buggers, AND their holes! Clif ----- Original Message ----- From: Wizzard187 Ken in Ice cold Iowa (my problem is pocket gophers) ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 10:59:21 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: BPA article From: "Billy McCaskill" Mine was really late arriving at my house also, I just received it Wednesday afternoon. I had even emailed Doc and Dee last week to see if my copy had been mailed, and they assured me that it had been mailed. USPS is notorious for being very slow after the holidays... -------- Billy McCaskill Urbana, IL tail section almost done, starting on ribs soon Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=327079#327079 ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 11:02:22 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Wing Center Section From: "Billy McCaskill" www.westcoastpiet.com should provide a lot of usable information if you poke around a bit. -------- Billy McCaskill Urbana, IL tail section almost done, starting on ribs soon Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=327080#327080 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message pietenpol-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Pietenpol-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/pietenpol-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/pietenpol-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.