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1. 01:58 AM - Pfeifer Sport (Dortch, Steven D MAJ NG NG FORSCOM)
2. 03:42 AM - Re: Where to locate rear bottom inspection plate (John Kuhfahl)
3. 04:13 AM - Re: Where to locate rear bottom inspection plate (Jack Phillips)
4. 04:39 AM - Flying to Brodhead (helspersew@aol.com)
5. 04:44 AM - Re: Where to locate rear bottom inspection plate (John Kuhfahl)
6. 04:45 AM - Re: Where to locate rear bottom inspection plate (Ben Charvet)
7. 05:13 AM - Center section butt ribs (Kringle)
8. 06:35 AM - Re: cloth used for Fiberglass fuel tank (Charles Campbell)
9. 06:43 AM - Come on!!!: flying to Brodhead (Jim Markle)
10. 06:57 AM - Re: Come on!!!: flying to Brodhead (gboothe5@comcast.net)
11. 06:57 AM - Re: Where to locate rear bottom inspection plate (BYD)
12. 07:28 AM - Re: Center section butt ribs (Ben Charvet)
13. 07:29 AM - Re: flying to Brodhead (Dog67@aol.com)
14. 07:43 AM - whereabouts (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC AEROSPACE CORP])
15. 09:02 AM - Re: cloth used for Fiberglass fuel tank (TOM STINEMETZE)
16. 12:11 PM - Re: Center section butt ribs (Kringle)
17. 12:39 PM - Re: Center section butt ribs (Catdesigns)
18. 01:35 PM - Re: Center section butt ribs (Kringle)
19. 01:55 PM - Re: Center section butt ribs (TOM STINEMETZE)
20. 02:27 PM - Re: Re: Center section butt ribs (Ken Chambers)
21. 02:54 PM - Re: Center section butt ribs (Kringle)
22. 03:49 PM - Re: Re: Center section butt ribs (Rick Holland)
23. 05:03 PM - Re: Come on!!!: flying to Brodhead (kevinpurtee)
24. 06:54 PM - Re: Pfeifer Sport (Darrel Jones)
25. 07:11 PM - Re: Re: Come on!!!: flying to Brodhead (Jim Markle)
26. 07:24 PM - Re: Pfeifer Sport (Jim Markle)
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Darrel, I notice that you list a Pfeifer Sport. What does the Pfeifer fly like?
What are the numbers esp as compared to a Pietenpol.
Blue Skies,
Steve D
----- Original Message -----
From: Darrel Jones <wd6bor@vom.com>
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: FW: Hand propping an airplane
> On 1/18/2011 7:59 AM, Jack Phillips wrote:
> >
> > Y'all be careful out there, unless you want to become ventilated
> like
> > this fellow:
> >
> > Jack Phillips
> >
> > NX899JP "Icarus Plummet"
> >
> > Raleigh, NC
> >
> > -----------------------------------------------------------------
> -------
> >
> We've got a one-armed pilot whose Champ got him after about 3,000
> hours
> of experience. It only takes once. Tie the tail EVERY TIME, chock
> the
> wheels EVERY TIME, then get ready to run like crazy if you put the
> throttle in the wrong position JUST THIS ONCE. That's what got our
> guy,
> who is lucky to still be alive.
>
> Darrel Jones
> Pfeifer Sport
> Sonoma, CA
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Subject: | Re: Where to locate rear bottom inspection plate |
Thanks Rick. No one else responded to this, but I guess I'll just make my
own decision. Thanks for your input. John
On Tue, Jan 18, 2011 at 2:58 PM, Rick Holland <at7000ft@gmail.com> wrote:
> Mine is 15"x9" and directly under the bellcrank. With barrel nuts screwed
> into the wood and machine screws holding on the cover. Have seen some twice
> this size which may be a good idea.
>
> rick
>
> On Tue, Jan 18, 2011 at 10:26 AM, John Kuhfahl <kuhlcouper@gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> I want to put the plate in because you just can not get to anything
>> through the two side inspection plates already there. I saw Oscar's
>> yesterday, but wanted to see where other's have located it, how big, and how
>> you supported the plate, etc.
>>
>> --
>> John Kuhfahl, Lt Col USAF (Ret),
>> PresIident, KUHLCOUPER LLC
>>
>> *
>>
>> " target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List
>> tp://forums.matronics.com
>> _blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution
>> *
>>
>>
>
>
> --
> Rick Holland
> Castle Rock, Colorado
>
> "Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers, that smell bad"
>
--
John Kuhfahl, Lt Col USAF (Ret),
PresIident, KUHLCOUPER LLC
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Subject: | Where to locate rear bottom inspection plate |
John,
I didn't respond because I had just posted a picture of my access panel last
week and assumed you had seen it. Here it is again:
Jack Phillips
NX899JP "Icarus Plummet"
Raleigh, NC
_____
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Kuhfahl
Sent: Wednesday, January 19, 2011 6:38 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Where to locate rear bottom inspection plate
Thanks Rick. No one else responded to this, but I guess I'll just make my
own decision. Thanks for your input. John
On Tue, Jan 18, 2011 at 2:58 PM, Rick Holland <at7000ft@gmail.com> wrote:
Mine is 15"x9" and directly under the bellcrank. With barrel nuts screwed
into the wood and machine screws holding on the cover. Have seen some twice
this size which may be a good idea.
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Subject: | Flying to Brodhead |
Oscar,
My son lives in Marion, IA. I let him base my Aeronca over there at the Mar
ion Airport a few years ago, for the summer. This is a privately owned airp
ort (the only one that is open to the public in the whole state they claim)
and is run by a husband and wife team. As I remember, they generally have
a few open T hangars available whenever I go over there. No great shakes bu
t your Piet would be out of the rain and hail. You could give them a call a
nd see what the situation is. Whenever I asked if I could leave my airplane
there overnite (tie down) they were accommodating. The first names of the
owners are Pat and Perry I believe. I hear they recently almost sold out to
the city for an industrial park, but couldn't work out a deal. They have a
nice fly-in there every June and the whole town comes out for breakfast.
Dan Helsper
Poplar Grove, IL.
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Subject: | Re: Where to locate rear bottom inspection plate |
Thanks Jack--new to list. I need to figure out how to use archives? Sorry
to be a newbee pain. John
On Wed, Jan 19, 2011 at 6:10 AM, Jack Phillips <pietflyr@bellsouth.net>wrot
e:
> John,
>
>
> I didn=92t respond because I had just posted a picture of my access panel
> last week and assumed you had seen it. Here it is again:
>
>
> Jack Phillips
>
> NX899JP =93Icarus Plummet=94
>
> Raleigh, NC
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> *From:* owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:
> owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *John Kuhfahl
> *Sent:* Wednesday, January 19, 2011 6:38 AM
> *To:* pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> *Subject:* Re: Pietenpol-List: Where to locate rear bottom inspection
> plate
>
>
> Thanks Rick. No one else responded to this, but I guess I'll just make m
y
> own decision. Thanks for your input. John
>
> On Tue, Jan 18, 2011 at 2:58 PM, Rick Holland <at7000ft@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Mine is 15"x9" and directly under the bellcrank. With barrel nuts screwed
into the wood and machine screws holding on the cover. Have seen some twic
e this size which may be a good idea.
>
>
> **
>
> * *
>
>
--
John Kuhfahl, Lt Col USAF (Ret),
PresIident, KUHLCOUPER LLC
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Subject: | Re: Where to locate rear bottom inspection plate |
My inspection plate goes from the rear of the plywood floor, all the way
back to the next cross-member where the bellcrank is. Its made of
aluminum and provides excellent access to my bellcrank fittings and the
pulleys on the seatback where the elevator cables come through. Its not
nearly as elegant as Jack's, but it works.
Ben Charvet
NX866BC
On 1/19/2011 6:38 AM, John Kuhfahl wrote:
> Thanks Rick. No one else responded to this, but I guess I'll just
> make my own decision. Thanks for your input. John
>
> On Tue, Jan 18, 2011 at 2:58 PM, Rick Holland <at7000ft@gmail.com
> <mailto:at7000ft@gmail.com>> wrote:
>
> Mine is 15"x9" and directly under the bellcrank. With barrel nuts
> screwed into the wood and machine screws holding on the cover.
> Have seen some twice this size which may be a good idea.
>
> rick
>
> On Tue, Jan 18, 2011 at 10:26 AM, John Kuhfahl
> <kuhlcouper@gmail.com <mailto:kuhlcouper@gmail.com>> wrote:
>
> I want to put the plate in because you just can not get to
> anything through the two side inspection plates already there.
> I saw Oscar's yesterday, but wanted to see where other's have
> located it, how big, and how you supported the plate, etc.
>
> --
> John Kuhfahl, Lt Col USAF (Ret),
> PresIident, KUHLCOUPER LLC
>
> *
>
> " target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List
> tp://forums.matronics.com <http://forums.matronics.com>
> _blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution
>
> *
>
>
> --
> Rick Holland
> Castle Rock, Colorado
>
> "Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers, that smell bad"
>
>
> --
> John Kuhfahl, Lt Col USAF (Ret),
> PresIident, KUHLCOUPER LLC
> *
>
>
> *
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Subject: | Center section butt ribs |
On the three piece wing center section ribs, I see nothing in the plans to indicate
that they should be sheathed on one side with plywood or receive extra diagonals
and gussets as the wing end ribs call for. However, in looking at all
the pictures I could find, it appears many do so. What's up with that?
--------
John
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Subject: | Re: cloth used for Fiberglass fuel tank |
I wonder what other builders of 3-piece wings have done on what I call
the center section joint strap/cabane fittings problem? I just don't
see how Tom is going to put that subassembly in place without
practically destroying the butt ribs.
----- Original Message -----
From: TOM STINEMETZE
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, January 18, 2011 11:50 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: cloth used for Fiberglass fuel tank
>>> "Charles Campbell" <cncampbell@windstream.net> 1/17/2011 6:23 PM
>>>
Tom, I have been studying the write-up and pictures of your fiberglass
fuel tank. I have a couple of questions. 1). How does the tank get
fastened into the center-section? Or do you just figure gravity and
weight of fuel will hold it in place? 2). I notice you have assembled
the center section without the metal butt joint straps and cabane
fittings installed. How do you plan to weld the cabane fittings to the
joint straps without setting your center section on fire? I was
planning to weld the two together and fasten them to the spars before
the butt ribs go on. Am I missing something here? Nice job on the
tank. Another question -- 3). When joining the four sections together
do you wet the mating surfaces or just let the additional layers of
cloth hold them together?
Charles:
I'll try to answer as best I can.
1) Stainless steel straps will wrap across the top and attach to the
spars front and back. The bottom was formed to fit around the two wood
formers on either side so will be held in place by them and by trays
glued to the front and back spars. I may also decide that straps are
needed on the bottom side as those two wood formers are just butt glued
to the spars. There will also be a ply bottom glued around the
perimeter that will cover the tank space.
2) You got me there. I haven't looked at that part of the project
yet.
3) The four sections were still tacky when they were joined together.
I screwed them together with drywall screws which were later removed at
the same time that the connecting holes were made in the slosh plates.
Note that after the four sections were joined there are still two layers
of cloth/resin that cover the entire tank so the joints are not exposed.
You could probably see that the four sections did not have squared off
corners but have a 1/2", more or less, radius every place that the
fiberglass has to wrap around. This is necessary to retain strength in
the glass fibers and to help prevent wrinkles. Therefore when the
pieces are brought together there is a substantial valley formed at the
joints. These valleys were filled with S-Glass strand (roving) which is
just a rope of long stranded glass which is wetted out with resin and
wrapped around the seam until the surface is close to flush with the
tank surface. The remainder of the valley is filled with a resin/floc
mix which can be smoothed out with a putty knife, etc. so that the outer
layers of cloth do not bridge the valley and create a void. You can see
this in the photos but I did not provide much explanation to go along
with it.
Tom
N328X
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Subject: | flying to Brodhead |
hahahaha...hey, the door's open!! Wait a minute...I'm not supposed to leave the
barn door open (yes, I AM an Okie!). Ok, I'll open it when you get here....I
think I can even find a bale of hay for you to sleep on....
Oh I'm ready for Oscar, or anyone coming through an the way to Brodhead (Kevin?
Hans?....). Our friend has a little (1200') grass strip (picture attached) about
a mile from our house. I could even leave the RV there if you want "onsite"
accommodations.
Dang, just the thought of an Air Camper making holes in the sky over our area gets
me all excited! COME ON!!!
jm....in Pryor, OK....where this morning's temps in the low 20's has me REALLY
looking forward to Brodhead.
-----Original Message-----
From: Ryan Mueller
Sent: Jan 18, 2011 9:59 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: flying to Brodhead
It can be done! Believe it...we shall figure it out. I know an Okie that owes me...
;)
Ryan
On Tue, Jan 18, 2011 at 9:46 PM, Oscar Zuniga <taildrags@hotmail.com> wrote:
Howdy, Low 'n' Slow fliers-
It's looking real tough for me to take off the time needed to make it
to Brodhead without some creative planning. I simply won't have enough
vacation time saved up by July to do it the way I'd like. What I'm
thinking now is that I may need to move the airplane up there in stages.
First stage would be to fly up to Oklahoma some weekend this summer and
leave the airplane with a 'friendly' somewhere. Fly commercial back to
San Antonio. Flying commercial would mean I'd need to find a place
around Tulsa probably, where I could park "Scout" for a couple of weekends
and still have good commercial connections.
Next leg would involve flying commercial back to OK and then flying Scout
to the Cedar Rapids, Iowa area over a weekend... I have friends there but
nobody with a hangar (yet). Best choice would be Marion Airport (C-17),
Iowa. Anybody near there have a place I could stash a Piet for a few weeks
this summer?
I could catch a commercial flight out of Cedar Rapids back to San Antonio
and then sit it out until the weekend of Brodhead, when I'd fly
commercial back out and then make my triumphal entry into the hallowed
Brodhead airspace in 41CC for the weekend. I have no idea how I'd ever
get the airplane back, but what the heck- maybe I could sell it at Brodhead
and be done with this low and slow business ;o) It's a lot of trigger-work
but I don't know how else I can do it. My wife and I have worked out
this understanding where I can play with airplanes as long as I take her
on trips every couple of months, so that's been burning up my vacation
time from work. Wish I could retire ;o)
And for what it's worth, I only weigh 155 lbs. but it sure doesn't seem to
be getting me anywhere in life to keep my weight, cholesterol, and blood
pressure where the doc says they should be. I should just get me a little
cabana on a beach in Belize, build me a cheap Air Camper out of hardware
store stuff, and sit back on the beach, drink beer and eat fried calamari
and forget about doctors and medicals from now on. Take a sunset flight
in my junker Camper every now and then and never worry about feds, docs,
or the IRS.
do not archive
Oscar Zuniga
Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
San Antonio, TX
website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
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Subject: | Re: flying to Brodhead |
That looks like a slice of Heaven!
Do not archive
Sent on the Sprint Now Network from my BlackBerry
-----Original Message-----
From: Jim Markle <jim_markle@mindspring.com>
Sender: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
hahahaha...hey, the door's open!! Wait a minute...I'm not supposed to leave the
barn door open (yes, I AM an Okie!). Ok, I'll open it when you get here....I
think I can even find a bale of hay for you to sleep on....
Oh I'm ready for Oscar, or anyone coming through an the way to Brodhead (Kevin?
Hans?....). Our friend has a little (1200') grass strip (picture attached) about
a mile from our house. I could even leave the RV there if you want "onsite"
accommodations.
Dang, just the thought of an Air Camper making holes in the sky over our area gets
me all excited! COME ON!!!
jm....in Pryor, OK....where this morning's temps in the low 20's has me REALLY
looking forward to Brodhead.
-----Original Message-----
From: Ryan Mueller
Sent: Jan 18, 2011 9:59 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: flying to Brodhead
It can be done! Believe it...we shall figure it out. I know an Okie that owes me...
;)
Ryan
On Tue, Jan 18, 2011 at 9:46 PM, Oscar Zuniga <taildrags@hotmail.com> wrote:
Howdy, Low 'n' Slow fliers-
It's looking real tough for me to take off the time needed to make it
to Brodhead without some creative planning. I simply won't have enough
vacation time saved up by July to do it the way I'd like. What I'm
thinking now is that I may need to move the airplane up there in stages.
First stage would be to fly up to Oklahoma some weekend this summer and
leave the airplane with a 'friendly' somewhere. Fly commercial back to
San Antonio. Flying commercial would mean I'd need to find a place
around Tulsa probably, where I could park "Scout" for a couple of weekends
and still have good commercial connections.
Next leg would involve flying commercial back to OK and then flying Scout
to the Cedar Rapids, Iowa area over a weekend... I have friends there but
nobody with a hangar (yet). Best choice would be Marion Airport (C-17),
Iowa. Anybody near there have a place I could stash a Piet for a few weeks
this summer?
I could catch a commercial flight out of Cedar Rapids back to San Antonio
and then sit it out until the weekend of Brodhead, when I'd fly
commercial back out and then make my triumphal entry into the hallowed
Brodhead airspace in 41CC for the weekend. I have no idea how I'd ever
get the airplane back, but what the heck- maybe I could sell it at Brodhead
and be done with this low and slow business ;o) It's a lot of trigger-work
but I don't know how else I can do it. My wife and I have worked out
this understanding where I can play with airplanes as long as I take her
on trips every couple of months, so that's been burning up my vacation
time from work. Wish I could retire ;o)
And for what it's worth, I only weigh 155 lbs. but it sure doesn't seem to
be getting me anywhere in life to keep my weight, cholesterol, and blood
pressure where the doc says they should be. I should just get me a little
cabana on a beach in Belize, build me a cheap Air Camper out of hardware
store stuff, and sit back on the beach, drink beer and eat fried calamari
and forget about doctors and medicals from now on. Take a sunset flight
in my junker Camper every now and then and never worry about feds, docs,
or the IRS.
do not archive
Oscar Zuniga
Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
San Antonio, TX
website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
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Subject: | Re: Where to locate rear bottom inspection plate |
I plan on using a method called out in the Boredom Fighter plans by Don Wolf.
Sew Dacron tape to each side of two 18-inch zippers with excess protruding past
each end (to be trimmed at installation). Cover the teeth with masking tape
and install during tape application of the covering process. When cover and
painting is done, remove masking tape, open zippers and cut fabric underneath
with a razor blade.
I found that Polyfiber remained flexible enough not to crack after numerous annuals
(or condition inspections) and this provided plenty of access. I tied the
two zipper pulls together with rib-lacing cord during operation.
I did no engineering or calculations and no numbers were harmed during application
or use. Use at your own peril.
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=327551#327551
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Subject: | Re: Center section butt ribs |
The wingtip end ribs need the extra verticals to keep the covering from
warping the rib down when the fabric is stretched. I put a 2 inch wide
strip of 1/16 in plywood sheeting on the flight surfaces of my center
section end ribs to keep the covering from pulling them outward when
stretched. I still got a little bit of a warp on the top of the wing
after the fabric was fully stretched. The butt end of the wing I just
covered in fabric, and put the verticals in there too, but dont think
they are necessary.
Ben Charvet
NX866BC
Nearly time for my first annual condition insp.
On 1/19/2011 8:10 AM, Kringle wrote:
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Kringle"<Mrkringles@msn.com>
>
> On the three piece wing center section ribs, I see nothing in the plans to indicate
that they should be sheathed on one side with plywood or receive extra
diagonals and gussets as the wing end ribs call for. However, in looking at all
the pictures I could find, it appears many do so. What's up with that?
>
> --------
> John
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=327537#327537
>
>
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Subject: | Re: flying to Brodhead |
Oscar
I have some friends in the Stillwater, OK, area who might be able to help
you out.
Give me a shout -
email - _dog67@aol.com_ (mailto:dog67@aol.com)
Jonathan Apflebaum
In a message dated 1/18/2011 8:50:56 P.M. Mountain Standard Time,
taildrags@hotmail.com writes:
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Oscar Zuniga <taildrags@hotmail.com>
Howdy, Low 'n' Slow fliers-
It's looking real tough for me to take off the time needed to make it
to Brodhead without some creative planning. I simply won't have enough
vacation time saved up by July to do it the way I'd like. What I'm
thinking now is that I may need to move the airplane up there in stages.
First stage would be to fly up to Oklahoma some weekend this summer and
leave the airplane with a 'friendly' somewhere. Fly commercial back to
San Antonio. Flying commercial would mean I'd need to find a place
around Tulsa probably, where I could park "Scout" for a couple of weekends
and still have good commercial connections.
Next leg would involve flying commercial back to OK and then flying Scout
to the Cedar Rapids, Iowa area over a weekend... I have friends there but
nobody with a hangar (yet). Best choice would be Marion Airport (C-17),
Iowa. Anybody near there have a place I could stash a Piet for a few weeks
this summer?
I could catch a commercial flight out of Cedar Rapids back to San Antonio
and then sit it out until the weekend of Brodhead, when I'd fly
commercial back out and then make my triumphal entry into the hallowed
Brodhead airspace in 41CC for the weekend. I have no idea how I'd ever
get the airplane back, but what the heck- maybe I could sell it at Brodhead
and be done with this low and slow business ;o) It's a lot of trigger-work
but I don't know how else I can do it. My wife and I have worked out
this understanding where I can play with airplanes as long as I take her
on trips every couple of months, so that's been burning up my vacation
time from work. Wish I could retire ;o)
And for what it's worth, I only weigh 155 lbs. but it sure doesn't seem to
be getting me anywhere in life to keep my weight, cholesterol, and blood
pressure where the doc says they should be. I should just get me a little
cabana on a beach in Belize, build me a cheap Air Camper out of hardware
store stuff, and sit back on the beach, drink beer and eat fried calamari
and forget about doctors and medicals from now on. Take a sunset flight
in my junker Camper every now and then and never worry about feds, docs,
or the IRS.
do not archive
Oscar Zuniga
Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
San Antonio, TX
website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
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Jack Phillips is correct, went to see my 87 year old Mom over the weekend w
ith my brother down south and have been buried at
work and after hours but do monitor the list from time to time but haven't
read any posts lately.
I'm in hibernation mode waiting for Ground Hog Day to see if I see my shado
w or not :)
Mike C.
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Subject: | Re: cloth used for Fiberglass fuel tank |
Charles:
This issue doe not seem to be substantially different than the problem of
welding the bushings and anchor lugs on the lower front strut/landing gear
fittings. In both cases it involves welding the fittings without starting
the wood burning. The way I did the lower gear fittings was to jig it all
up on the fuselage and then just "tack" weld the parts together with a MIG
welder. By "tack" I mean to just touch it lightly. Then, you take the
assembly back off, move to your weld table, and complete the weld. You
may end up with a couple of little dark places in the wood but no serious
charring. In the case of the strap/cabane fittings you could probably
bolt everything in place for alignment and then put a dab of JB WELD on
each side to hold the alignment for final finish welding if you wanted to
do it all with gas. From experience the JB WELD will turn loose with the
heat application and will come off easily. You will want to wear a
respirator of some sort though since the JB WELD will turn loose some
nasty gasses when heated.
Stinemetze
N328X
>>> "Charles Campbell" <cncampbell@windstream.net> 1/19/2011 8:32 AM >>>
I wonder what other builders of 3-piece wings have done on what I call the
center section joint strap/cabane fittings problem? I just don't see how
Tom is going to put that subassembly in place without practically
destroying the butt ribs.
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Subject: | Re: Center section butt ribs |
Thanks Ben, that's pretty much how the plan looks. Do you glue the uprights to
the spars? The plan shows nails only. If they are glued it would look to me
to be a pretty messy job being how they have to slide on and the tight fit.
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Subject: | Re: Center section butt ribs |
I added 1/16-inch plywood to the center section end ribs in case I use it as a
storage locker instead of a fuel tank. I did not use it on the wing panels.
I added braces to the end ribs like the plans show.
Also, I glued the ribs to the spars because I didn't know some people say not to.
I'm not sure the correct answer.
Chris
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Sacramento, CA
WestCoastPiet.com
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Subject: | Re: Center section butt ribs |
What are the pros and cons of putting a fuel tank in the wing or using it for storage?
What are most doing?
Attached a couple of pics of my progress.
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Subject: | Re: Center section butt ribs |
Pros: 1) Center of Gravity does not change as fuel is burned. 2) You can
always have a nose tank (header tank) in addition if you want extra range
or put your storage area in the nose.
Cons: 1) Any fuel you spill goes directly into the pilot's seat where it
lies in wait; 2) You have to have a ladder to get the fuel up there. 3)
Unsightly hoses, valves, fuel guage, etc. hanging down below the wing (and
directly over the passenger's head.)
Hum, that seems to come out in favor of putting the tank in the nose which
is probably why I chose to put mine in the center section.
Stinemetze
>>> "Kringle" <Mrkringles@msn.com> 1/19/2011 3:32 PM >>>
What are the pros and cons of putting a fuel tank in the wing or using it
for storage? What are most doing?
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Subject: | Re: Center section butt ribs |
Hey John
You may have thought this through already, but just in case: drill before
gluing.
It's a lot easier to drill the center section spars for the straps and other
hardware BEFORE you glue the ribs and other bracing in place. I drilled
after glueing and it was hard to measure and drill accurately with all that
stuff in the way.
Ken
On Wed, Jan 19, 2011 at 3:32 PM, Kringle <Mrkringles@msn.com> wrote:
>
> What are the pros and cons of putting a fuel tank in the wing or using it
> for storage? What are most doing?
>
> Attached a couple of pics of my progress.
>
> --------
> John
>
>
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> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=327610#327610
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Subject: | Re: Center section butt ribs |
Good point Ken. That was my plan but I was trying to see how things were going
to fit together. Kinda fun actually putting some parts together!
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Subject: | Re: Center section butt ribs |
One other benefit to the tank in the CC is more fuel pressure, which is
probably why I did a nose tank. Actually fuel pressure is plenty with a nose
tank.
On Wed, Jan 19, 2011 at 2:53 PM, TOM STINEMETZE <TOMS@mcpcity.com> wrote:
> *Pros: 1) Center of Gravity does not change as fuel is burned. 2) You
> can always have a nose tank (header tank) in addition if you want extra
> range or put your storage area in the nose.*
> *Cons: 1) Any fuel you spill goes directly into the pilot's seat where it
> lies in wait; 2) You have to have a ladder to get the fuel up there. 3)
> Unsightly hoses, valves, fuel guage, etc. hanging down below the wing (and
> directly over the passenger's head.)*
> **
> *Hum, that seems to come out in favor of putting the tank in the nose
> which is probably why I chose to put mine in the center section.*
> **
> *Stinemetze*
>
>
> >>> "Kringle" <Mrkringles@msn.com> 1/19/2011 3:32 PM >>>
> What are the pros and cons of putting a fuel tank in the wing or using it
> for storage? What are most doing?
>
> *
>
> *
>
>
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Castle Rock, Colorado
"Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers, that smell bad"
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Subject: | Re: Come on!!!: flying to Brodhead |
Jim - I actually made it to southern KS last year on Day 1, though the intended
stopover was vicinity OKC.
If you're serious, we can go via Pryor this year. It's not out of the way. Shelley
should be making the trip with me by car this time (solo last year on the
way up, she was with me on the way back). If your friend is okay with me landing
there we'd probably buy you guys dinner & reebs. We're set up to camp so
we're self-sustaining.
Have you met Shelley? Oh, heck, we've never met in person, have we! Well, we
can fix that.
All contingent on the valve-eating, crank-snapping corvair behaving, and not getting
screwed by work!
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NX899KP
Austin/Georgetown, TX
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Subject: | Re: Pfeifer Sport |
Steven,
The Pfeifer Sport is a steel tube version of the Pietenpol. As such, it
flies like a Bucker Jungmeister and is about fifty miles an hour faster.
Just kidding. It flies just like a Piet, which is pretty nice.
Darrel
On 1/19/2011 1:55 AM, Dortch, Steven D MAJ NG NG FORSCOM wrote:
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Dortch, Steven D MAJ NG NG FORSCOM"<steven.d.dortch@us.army.mil>
>
> Darrel, I notice that you list a Pfeifer Sport. What does the Pfeifer fly like?
What are the numbers esp as compared to a Pietenpol.
>
> Blue Skies,
> Steve D
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Darrel Jones<wd6bor@vom.com>
> Date: Wednesday, January 19, 2011 4:43
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: FW: Hand propping an airplane
> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
>
>
>> On 1/18/2011 7:59 AM, Jack Phillips wrote:
>>> Y'all be careful out there, unless you want to become ventilated
>> like
>>> this fellow:
>>>
>>> Jack Phillips
>>>
>>> NX899JP "Icarus Plummet"
>>>
>>> Raleigh, NC
>>>
>>> -----------------------------------------------------------------
>> -------
>> We've got a one-armed pilot whose Champ got him after about 3,000
>> hours
>> of experience. It only takes once. Tie the tail EVERY TIME, chock
>> the
>> wheels EVERY TIME, then get ready to run like crazy if you put the
>> throttle in the wrong position JUST THIS ONCE. That's what got our
>> guy,
>> who is lucky to still be alive.
>>
>> Darrel Jones
>> Pfeifer Sport
>> Sonoma, CA
>
>
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Subject: | Re: Come on!!!: flying to Brodhead |
If I'm serious????? I couldn't be MORE serious! Of course I'm serious! Come
on....
Using the airstrip will be fine. We've had a couple piet friends fly through the
area and we're always welcome.
Wish I had known you were flying anywhere near here (Kansas is...sorta) last year.
I would have insisted you swing by this way.
Ok, enough talk....you guys get your flight plans done and make SURE we're on the
route. Plenty of room to stay and all are welcome.
One tiny little issue maybe...I may be out of town that week. You're still welcome
but I'll say my prayers just to be sure! Something tells me this is MY Brodhead
year!!!
Dang, I'm nowhere NEAR flying mine up there and all this talk is getting me excited!
jm
-----Original Message-----
>From: kevinpurtee <kevin.purtee@us.army.mil>
>Sent: Jan 19, 2011 7:00 PM
>To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Come on!!!: flying to Brodhead
>
>
>Jim - I actually made it to southern KS last year on Day 1, though the intended
stopover was vicinity OKC.
>
>If you're serious, we can go via Pryor this year. It's not out of the way. Shelley
should be making the trip with me by car this time (solo last year on the
way up, she was with me on the way back). If your friend is okay with me landing
there we'd probably buy you guys dinner & reebs. We're set up to camp
so we're self-sustaining.
>
>Have you met Shelley? Oh, heck, we've never met in person, have we! Well, we
can fix that.
>
>All contingent on the valve-eating, crank-snapping corvair behaving, and not getting
screwed by work!
>
>--------
>Kevin "Axel" Purtee
>NX899KP
>Austin/Georgetown, TX
>
>
>Read this topic online here:
>
>http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=327627#327627
>
>
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Subject: | Re: Pfeifer Sport |
I have a PDF copy of the March 1976 Sport Aviation article on Joe Pfiefer.
Really interesting reading for anyone interested in the Pfiefer Sport (WITH a Corvair
engine!).
Let me know offlist if anyone wants a copy and I'll email it to you.
jm
-----Original Message-----
>From: Darrel Jones <wd6bor@vom.com>
>Sent: Jan 19, 2011 8:52 PM
>To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Pfeifer Sport
>
>
>Steven,
>
>The Pfeifer Sport is a steel tube version of the Pietenpol. As such, it
>flies like a Bucker Jungmeister and is about fifty miles an hour faster.
>Just kidding. It flies just like a Piet, which is pretty nice.
>
>Darrel
>
>
>On 1/19/2011 1:55 AM, Dortch, Steven D MAJ NG NG FORSCOM wrote:
>> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Dortch, Steven D MAJ NG NG FORSCOM"<steven.d.dortch@us.army.mil>
>>
>> Darrel, I notice that you list a Pfeifer Sport. What does the Pfeifer fly like?
What are the numbers esp as compared to a Pietenpol.
>>
>> Blue Skies,
>> Steve D
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: Darrel Jones<wd6bor@vom.com>
>> Date: Wednesday, January 19, 2011 4:43
>> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: FW: Hand propping an airplane
>> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
>>
>>
>>> On 1/18/2011 7:59 AM, Jack Phillips wrote:
>>>> Y'all be careful out there, unless you want to become ventilated
>>> like
>>>> this fellow:
>>>>
>>>> Jack Phillips
>>>>
>>>> NX899JP "Icarus Plummet"
>>>>
>>>> Raleigh, NC
>>>>
>>>> -----------------------------------------------------------------
>>> -------
>>> We've got a one-armed pilot whose Champ got him after about 3,000
>>> hours
>>> of experience. It only takes once. Tie the tail EVERY TIME, chock
>>> the
>>> wheels EVERY TIME, then get ready to run like crazy if you put the
>>> throttle in the wrong position JUST THIS ONCE. That's what got our
>>> guy,
>>> who is lucky to still be alive.
>>>
>>> Darrel Jones
>>> Pfeifer Sport
>>> Sonoma, CA
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
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