---------------------------------------------------------- Pietenpol-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Sat 01/22/11: 24 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 05:03 AM - Re: cloth used for Fiberglass fuel tank (womenfly2) 2. 05:06 AM - Re: How about this idea? (womenfly2) 3. 06:06 AM - Re: Re: How about this idea? (Brett Phillips) 4. 07:54 AM - Rib question (tdudley@umn.edu) 5. 10:58 AM - Re: Rib question (Gary Boothe) 6. 11:06 AM - Re: Rib question (Scott Knowlton) 7. 11:24 AM - Re: Rib question (Ryan Mueller) 8. 12:06 PM - Re: Rib question (Billy McCaskill) 9. 02:03 PM - Re: Rib question (Charles Campbell) 10. 02:07 PM - Re: Re: Rib question (Charles Campbell) 11. 02:34 PM - Re: Rib question (Charles Campbell) 12. 02:39 PM - Re: Rib question (tdudley@umn.edu) 13. 03:55 PM - Re: Rib question (Gary Boothe) 14. 03:58 PM - Re: Re: Rib question (Gary Boothe) 15. 06:01 PM - Re: Rib question (Kringle) 16. 06:07 PM - Re: Rib question (tdudley@umn.edu) 17. 06:10 PM - Re: Rib question (tdudley@umn.edu) 18. 06:49 PM - wax solvent and trim tab size (Douwe Blumberg) 19. 07:36 PM - Re: Re: Rib question (KM Heide CPO/FAAOP) 20. 07:37 PM - Trim control (KM Heide CPO/FAAOP) 21. 07:39 PM - Brace cables, pulleys, wing supports (Michael Perez) 22. 07:51 PM - Re: wax solvent and trim tab size (Rick Holland) 23. 09:41 PM - Re: Rib question (tdudley@umn.edu) 24. 10:05 PM - Re: Rib question (kevinpurtee) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 05:03:57 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: cloth used for Fiberglass fuel tank From: "womenfly2" Pilot78 ... see my Web Site. Cheers. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=327867#327867 ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 05:06:51 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: How about this idea? From: "womenfly2" Aluminum tube with riveted gusset plates ...... ? Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=327868#327868 ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 06:06:14 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: How about this idea? From: "Brett Phillips" I do believe that some of these folks are beginning to show signs of cabin fever... Perhaps a foam and glass Piet would be best? (Cough, Cough, splutter, choke!) Brett ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 07:54:38 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Rib question From: "tdudley@umn.edu" Simple question, but need some help. I originally was planning on building the FGM wing or perhaps the one part wing which I understood as having 28 ribs. I've reconsidered and will be building the 3-piece wing and am waiting for the plans I ordered from Don Pietenpol. I have 30 ribs completed (2 more than were needed for the one-piece wing). Is this enough for the 3-piece wing or do I need to make a few more? For reference, I did build the rib from the full-size plan I received from Don Pietenpol last September. Thanks for any input. Tom Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=327883#327883 ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 10:58:00 AM PST US From: "Gary Boothe" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Rib question Yes, Tom, that's the correct count, however, I find it difficult to believe that you built 30 ribs since September. It's been almost 3 years and I'm only on #24...! Gary Boothe Cool, Ca. Pietenpol WW Corvair Conversion, Running! Tail done, Fuselage on gear (23 ribs down.) -----Original Message----- From: Gboothe5 [mailto:gboothe5@comcast.net] Sent: Saturday, January 22, 2011 10:50 AM Subject: FW: Pietenpol-List: Rib question -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of tdudley@umn.edu Sent: Saturday, January 22, 2011 7:52 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Rib question Simple question, but need some help. I originally was planning on building the FGM wing or perhaps the one part wing which I understood as having 28 ribs. I've reconsidered and will be building the 3-piece wing and am waiting for the plans I ordered from Don Pietenpol. I have 30 ribs completed (2 more than were needed for the one-piece wing). Is this enough for the 3-piece wing or do I need to make a few more? For reference, I did build the rib from the full-size plan I received from Don Pietenpol last September. Thanks for any input. Tom Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=327883#327883 ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 11:06:22 AM PST US From: "Scott Knowlton " Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Rib question I just finished my ribs and the count is 14 per wing plus two full ribs in the center section plus an additional two tail ribs and one nose rib for the center section. Your 30 full ribs is fine but you need those nose and tail ribs eventually. Scott Knowlton -----Original Message----- From: tdudley@umn.edu Subject: Pietenpol-List: Rib question Simple question, but need some help. I originally was planning on building the FGM wing or perhaps the one part wing which I understood as having 28 ribs. I've reconsidered and will be building the 3-piece wing and am waiting for the plans I ordered from Don Pietenpol. I have 30 ribs completed (2 more than were needed for the one-piece wing). Is this enough for the 3-piece wing or do I need to make a few more? For reference, I did build the rib from the full-size plan I received from Don Pietenpol last September. Thanks for any input. Tom Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=327883#327883 ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 11:24:01 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Rib question From: "Ryan Mueller" He must not have a kitchen... ;P Ryan Mueller -----Original Message----- From: "Gary Boothe" Sender: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com Yes, Tom, that's the correct count, however, I find it difficult to believe that you built 30 ribs since September. It's been almost 3 years and I'm only on #24...! Gary Boothe Cool, Ca. Pietenpol WW Corvair Conversion, Running! Tail done, Fuselage on gear (23 ribs down.) -----Original Message----- From: Gboothe5 [mailto:gboothe5@comcast.net] Sent: Saturday, January 22, 2011 10:50 AM Subject: FW: Pietenpol-List: Rib question -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of tdudley@umn.edu Sent: Saturday, January 22, 2011 7:52 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Rib question Simple question, but need some help. I originally was planning on building the FGM wing or perhaps the one part wing which I understood as having 28 ribs. I've reconsidered and will be building the 3-piece wing and am waiting for the plans I ordered from Don Pietenpol. I have 30 ribs completed (2 more than were needed for the one-piece wing). Is this enough for the 3-piece wing or do I need to make a few more? For reference, I did build the rib from the full-size plan I received from Don Pietenpol last September. Thanks for any input. Tom Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=327883#327883 ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 12:06:36 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Rib question From: "Billy McCaskill" You might want to build a few more, just to hang in the den or the hangar. Ribs are just cool to look at and they're great conversation starters. -------- Billy McCaskill Urbana, IL tail section almost done, starting on ribs soon Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=327920#327920 ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 02:03:48 PM PST US From: "Charles Campbell" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Rib question I just went to the shop and counted. I have 31 built, 14 for each wing section and 3 for the center section. If you plan on putting a fuel tank in the centersection you will need 2 false ribs for the aft section (behind the rear spar) and one false nose rib in the place of the center rib of the centersection. Actually, the 3-piece wing plan covers mainly the center section and how the center section is connected to the wing sections. It does have dimensions of the wing spar and plans for the spar butt joint straps. Lots of luck. See you at Brodhead, the Mecca of Pietenpols. Chuck ----- Original Message ----- From: Sent: Saturday, January 22, 2011 10:52 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Rib question > > Simple question, but need some help. I originally was planning on > building the FGM wing or perhaps the one part wing which I understood as > having 28 ribs. I've reconsidered and will be building the 3-piece wing > and am waiting for the plans I ordered from Don Pietenpol. > > I have 30 ribs completed (2 more than were needed for the one-piece wing). > Is this enough for the 3-piece wing or do I need to make a few more? > > For reference, I did build the rib from the full-size plan I received from > Don Pietenpol last September. > > Thanks for any input. > > Tom > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=327883#327883 > > > ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 02:07:33 PM PST US From: "Charles Campbell" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Rib question Hey! That's an idea. Think I'll plan on putting in a centersection tank, build the false ribs, and hang my 31st one on the wall of the den. My wife would have an absolute conniption fit. Chuck ----- Original Message ----- From: "Billy McCaskill" Sent: Saturday, January 22, 2011 3:03 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Rib question > > You might want to build a few more, just to hang in the den or the hangar. > Ribs are just cool to look at and they're great conversation starters. > > -------- > Billy McCaskill > Urbana, IL > tail section almost done, starting on ribs soon > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=327920#327920 > > > ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 02:34:47 PM PST US From: "Charles Campbell" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Rib question Gary, I averaged one rib per day when I was in the rib mode. Of course I'm retired (retarded). I had kind of an assembly line going. First, I took yesterday's rib out of the jig, took the top rib cap for today's rib off the prebending jig and put it in the rib jig, then the bottom rib cap, then cut the connecting members per a prearranged plan, glued the members and installed the top-side gussets (precut). I then put the gussets on the back of yesterday's rib. Last I took a rib cap out of the soaker and put it in the prebending jig. Last I put another rib cap in the soaker, left the shop and closed the door. It was really the most enjoyable part of the project. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gary Boothe" Sent: Saturday, January 22, 2011 1:55 PM Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Rib question > > Yes, Tom, that's the correct count, however, I find it difficult to > believe > that you built 30 ribs since September. It's been almost 3 years and I'm > only on #24...! > > Gary Boothe > Cool, Ca. > Pietenpol > WW Corvair Conversion, Running! > Tail done, Fuselage on gear > (23 ribs down.) > > -----Original Message----- > From: Gboothe5 [mailto:gboothe5@comcast.net] > Sent: Saturday, January 22, 2011 10:50 AM > To: gboothe5@comcast.net > Subject: FW: Pietenpol-List: Rib question > > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of > tdudley@umn.edu > Sent: Saturday, January 22, 2011 7:52 AM > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > Subject: Pietenpol-List: Rib question > > > Simple question, but need some help. I originally was planning on > building > the FGM wing or perhaps the one part wing which I understood as having 28 > ribs. I've reconsidered and will be building the 3-piece wing and am > waiting for the plans I ordered from Don Pietenpol. > > I have 30 ribs completed (2 more than were needed for the one-piece wing). > Is this enough for the 3-piece wing or do I need to make a few more? > > For reference, I did build the rib from the full-size plan I received from > Don Pietenpol last September. > > Thanks for any input. > > Tom > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=327883#327883 > > > ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 02:39:30 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Rib question From: "tdudley@umn.edu" Thanks for the insight. I'm right now soaking an additional two capstrips to bring the total to 32. Hard to believe how much fun cutting and glueing wood together can be. Gary, each night I read a chapter of the "Little House on the Prairie" books to my little girl. Last night there was a poem in the chapter: "Lost, between sunrise and sunset, One golden hour, set with sixty diamond minutes. No reward is offered, for it is gone forever." I don't know who came up with it (my background is more science and medicine, not literature), but it kind of gave me a boost of inspiration to keep building. My goal was one rib per day like some others have posted. It took me longer, but it sure is fun to keep plugging away. Again, thanks for the help. Tom Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=327932#327932 ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 03:55:21 PM PST US From: "Gary Boothe" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Rib question Charles, Seems like a great plan...worked good! Me? Takes 2 hours per rib, but I found them incredibly monotonous, thinking the whole time about other stuff! I now have the tail ready for cover, the fuselage and center section ready for cover, and almost ready to run the engine on the airframe...but those remaining 7 ribs just keep waiting! Now, as Billy suggested, I need to build an extra one just for gee-whiz! Heck, that's going to add another 3 months to my build time.... See you at Brodhead! (I'll be the guy in the ball cap with a camera) Gary Boothe Cool, Ca. Pietenpol WW Corvair Conversion, Running! Tail done, Fuselage on gear (23 ribs down.) -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Charles Campbell Sent: Saturday, January 22, 2011 2:29 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Rib question Gary, I averaged one rib per day when I was in the rib mode. Of course I'm retired (retarded). I had kind of an assembly line going. First, I took yesterday's rib out of the jig, took the top rib cap for today's rib off the prebending jig and put it in the rib jig, then the bottom rib cap, then cut the connecting members per a prearranged plan, glued the members and installed the top-side gussets (precut). I then put the gussets on the back of yesterday's rib. Last I took a rib cap out of the soaker and put it in the prebending jig. Last I put another rib cap in the soaker, left the shop and closed the door. It was really the most enjoyable part of the project. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gary Boothe" Sent: Saturday, January 22, 2011 1:55 PM Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Rib question > > Yes, Tom, that's the correct count, however, I find it difficult to > believe > that you built 30 ribs since September. It's been almost 3 years and I'm > only on #24...! > > Gary Boothe > Cool, Ca. > Pietenpol > WW Corvair Conversion, Running! > Tail done, Fuselage on gear > (23 ribs down.) > > -----Original Message----- > From: Gboothe5 [mailto:gboothe5@comcast.net] > Sent: Saturday, January 22, 2011 10:50 AM > To: gboothe5@comcast.net > Subject: FW: Pietenpol-List: Rib question > > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of > tdudley@umn.edu > Sent: Saturday, January 22, 2011 7:52 AM > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > Subject: Pietenpol-List: Rib question > > > Simple question, but need some help. I originally was planning on > building > the FGM wing or perhaps the one part wing which I understood as having 28 > ribs. I've reconsidered and will be building the 3-piece wing and am > waiting for the plans I ordered from Don Pietenpol. > > I have 30 ribs completed (2 more than were needed for the one-piece wing). > Is this enough for the 3-piece wing or do I need to make a few more? > > For reference, I did build the rib from the full-size plan I received from > Don Pietenpol last September. > > Thanks for any input. > > Tom > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=327883#327883 > > > ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 03:58:12 PM PST US From: "Gary Boothe" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Rib question Tom, I admire you for working on your dream while still raising young-uns! You make a great example... Gary Boothe Cool, Ca. Pietenpol WW Corvair Conversion, Running! Tail done, Fuselage on gear (23 ribs down.) -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of tdudley@umn.edu Sent: Saturday, January 22, 2011 2:37 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Rib question Thanks for the insight. I'm right now soaking an additional two capstrips to bring the total to 32. Hard to believe how much fun cutting and glueing wood together can be. Gary, each night I read a chapter of the "Little House on the Prairie" books to my little girl. Last night there was a poem in the chapter: "Lost, between sunrise and sunset, One golden hour, set with sixty diamond minutes. No reward is offered, for it is gone forever." I don't know who came up with it (my background is more science and medicine, not literature), but it kind of gave me a boost of inspiration to keep building. My goal was one rib per day like some others have posted. It took me longer, but it sure is fun to keep plugging away. Again, thanks for the help. Tom Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=327932#327932 ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 06:01:54 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Rib question From: "Kringle" I'm now about half way on the ribs. My question is with ailerons. Do you just build the entire rib section then cut out the ailerons? What about the center sections....do you build special ribs or do most just cut standard ribs apart? -------- John Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=327957#327957 ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 06:07:26 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Rib question From: "tdudley@umn.edu" Gary, Thanks for the kind words. Bedtime is at 8 o'clock and if there's anything residency taught me, it's to live on 4-5 hours sleep. My Piet is getting built when everyone in my house sleeps. Tom Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=327959#327959 ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 06:10:25 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Rib question From: "tdudley@umn.edu" Kringle, As I understand it, you build the wings on the spars first, then cut the ailerons out. Not certain about the center section, but I guess I'm planning on building full ribs and cutting them out. Tom Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=327960#327960 ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 06:49:46 PM PST US From: "Douwe Blumberg" Subject: Pietenpol-List: wax solvent and trim tab size Hey all, Two questions. Firstly, I glassed my cowling over a waxed mold and now want to add a layer and glass some stiffners to the inside, but there is a fair amount of wax residue on the inside of the cowling from the mold. I've tried mineral spirits, MEK and Formbys furniture refinisher and nothing really removes it well. Was going to get some acetone, but thought I"d send it out to see what you guys would suggest. Secondly. What do you guys think is the minimal size a trim tab on the elevator could be to work? Don't think it takes much. Thanks, Douwe ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 07:36:58 PM PST US From: KM Heide CPO/FAAOP Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Rib question Hey Tom.... - Lets see some photos of your progress! Sound like you have been very busy w ith all this cold weather! - Ken H Hawley,MN - --- On Sat, 1/22/11, tdudley@umn.edu wrote: From: tdudley@umn.edu Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Rib question Gary, Thanks for the kind words.- Bedtime is at 8 o'clock and if there's anythi ng residency taught me, it's to live on 4-5 hours sleep.- My Piet is gett ing built when everyone in my house sleeps. Tom Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=327959#327959 le, List Admin. =0A=0A=0A ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 07:37:28 PM PST US From: KM Heide CPO/FAAOP Subject: Pietenpol-List: Trim control Can anyone tell me the amount of travel needed for the trim control? I am a dding a trim control knob under my seat that is connected to my bell crank for trimming out the plane for level flight. Photos are forth coming. Just need to know how much adjustment is needed for nose up and nose down. - Ken H Halwey, MN =0A=0A=0A ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 07:39:13 PM PST US From: Michael Perez Subject: Pietenpol-List: Brace cables, pulleys, wing supports I have a few questions in regard to the center section. I am wondering why most have changed from the as drawn support cables for the center section to the streamline supports from the top of the center section to the top motor mounts? I am leaning towards using the 3/32" cables. Anyone have rub issues with the cables on the center section pulleys...side load rubbing? It appears that with the cabanes vertical, the cables and pulleys look fine. But when I rake the center section back, the cables then rub on the pulley sideways. (side load) I do not have the cables in, I am running string for now and just checking how it all goes together. Michael Perez Karetaker Aero www.karetakeraero.com ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 07:51:51 PM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: wax solvent and trim tab size From: Rick Holland I measured tabs on several Cessnas and Pipers and ended up with an average of 12 x 3.5". Haven't flown yet so I can't say how it will work. rick On Sat, Jan 22, 2011 at 7:49 PM, Douwe Blumberg wrote: > > > Secondly. What do you guys think is the minimal size a trim tab on the > elevator could be to work? Don=92t think it takes much. > > > Thanks, > > > Douwe > > * > =========== =========== =========== =========== > * > > -- Rick Holland Castle Rock, Colorado "Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers, that smell bad" ________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ Time: 09:41:44 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Rib question From: "tdudley@umn.edu" Hey Ken, Hope your winter has been going well. Kind of hard to stomach the -16 degree weather we've had the last few days. Kind of cold in my garage so I've had to move to the basement. I've added a few pictures--nothing that hasn't been seen before dozens of times on this forum, but since you've asked. Maybe when the weather warms up I can swing up and take a look at your progress. I'm still interested in that Corvair engine. . . Tom Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=327976#327976 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/piet_pics_016_240.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/027_571.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/piet_pics_014_874.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/006_131.jpg ________________________________ Message 24 ____________________________________ Time: 10:05:42 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Rib question From: "kevinpurtee" Very nice, Tom. do not archive -------- Kevin "Axel" Purtee NX899KP Austin/Georgetown, TX Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=327978#327978 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message pietenpol-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Pietenpol-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/pietenpol-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/pietenpol-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.