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1. 12:53 AM - Re: Experimental Aviation at it's best (Clif Dawson)
2. 01:26 AM - Re: Metal Fittings (Clif Dawson)
3. 05:02 AM - antenna (Douwe Blumberg)
4. 05:13 AM - Re: Metal Fittings (Gboothe5)
5. 05:39 AM - Re: antenna (Ben Charvet)
6. 06:11 AM - Re: Re: Brace cables, pulleys, wing supports (TOM STINEMETZE)
7. 06:36 AM - Re: antenna (Charles Campbell)
8. 06:36 AM - Re: antenna (Steve Ruse)
9. 06:51 AM - Re: antenna (Charles Campbell)
10. 07:04 AM - Re: antenna (Charles Campbell)
11. 07:24 AM - Re: Brace cables, pulleys, wing supports (BYD)
12. 07:35 AM - Re: Brace cables, pulleys, wing supports (TriScout)
13. 08:01 AM - Re: Re: Brace cables, pulleys, wing supports (gboothe5@comcast.net)
14. 08:37 AM - Re: Engine Decals (Barry Davis)
15. 09:22 AM - Re: antenna (K5YAC)
16. 09:59 AM - Re: wax solvent and trim tab size (womenfly2)
17. 10:10 AM - Re: Re: Brace cables, pulleys, wing supports (Doug Dever)
18. 11:52 AM - Re: Re: Brace cables, pulleys, wing supports (Charles Campbell)
19. 11:57 AM - Re: antenna (K5YAC)
20. 12:13 PM - Re: Ski pictures (Dick N)
21. 12:59 PM - Re: Re: Brace cables, pulleys, wing supports (Ryan Mueller)
22. 01:25 PM - Re: Re: Brace cables, pulleys, wing supports (Charles Campbell)
23. 02:04 PM - Re: Brace cables, pulleys, wing supports (Dangerous Dave)
24. 03:30 PM - Stainless firewall (Jerry Dotson)
25. 03:45 PM - Wing Construction (cjborsuk)
26. 03:51 PM - Piet building youtube videos (cjborsuk)
27. 03:55 PM - Re: Wing Construction (Ryan Mueller)
28. 04:00 PM - Re: Wing Construction (K5YAC)
29. 04:25 PM - Re: Wing Construction (Gboothe5)
30. 05:37 PM - Re: Re: Brace cables, pulleys, wing supports (shad bell)
31. 05:59 PM - Re: Wing Construction (bender)
32. 06:03 PM - engine mount (bender)
33. 06:25 PM - Re: Re: Wing Construction (CJ Borsuk)
34. 06:49 PM - Re: Piet building youtube videos (Billy McCaskill)
35. 06:49 PM - Re: Wing Construction (Greg Cardinal)
36. 06:58 PM - Re: Piet building youtube videos (cjborsuk)
37. 07:04 PM - Re: Wing Construction (Jack Phillips)
38. 07:16 PM - Re: Wing Construction (Ryan Mueller)
39. 07:17 PM - Re: Wing Construction (cjborsuk)
40. 07:38 PM - Re: Wing Construction (cjborsuk)
41. 07:40 PM - Re: antenna (MyrickPiet)
42. 09:20 PM - Re: engine mount (Billy McCaskill)
43. 09:22 PM - Re: Stainless firewall (Billy McCaskill)
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Subject: | Re: Experimental Aviation at it's best |
Oh yes it is! Jeez Tom how long before I can get
a couple of these on the surplus market?
Clif
----- Original Message -----
From: TOM STINEMETZE
This is not Pietenpol related in any way so - -
do not archive.
Tom Stinemetze
N328X
Something the C-130 was designed not to do
firing the
JATO bottles in the air, which caused a "firm" landing ... to say the
least!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fSFjhWw4DNo&feature=related
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Subject: | Re: Metal Fittings |
Does a handmade, washing machine parts drillpress
count? :-)
Clif
"An expert is an ordinary fellow from another town." (Mark Twain)
I'm with you, Scott! I shaped my cabanes and gear struts with an 80
year old spoke shave that I inherited from my grand dad.Gary Boothe
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Hey all,
I'm not much of an electronics guy, so I'm putting this out there.
Those of you flying, and using a handheld radio, do you find you need an
external antenna or are you fine without?
Then, if an antenna is a helpful thing, can a large piece of sheet metal,
such as covering the lower bay behind my seat bulkhead do? (is this what I
hear called a "ground plane"?) or does one need a regular antenna?
Since she's "naked" again, this is a good time to address those little
things rather than retrofitting.
Thanks
Douwe
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Ha! Certainly does! At least, in my book.
Gary
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[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Clif Dawson
Sent: Wednesday, January 26, 2011 10:05 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Metal Fittings
Does a handmade, washing machine parts drillpress
count? :-)
Clif
"An expert is an ordinary fellow from another town." (Mark Twain)
I'm with you, Scott! I shaped my cabanes and gear struts with an 80 year old
spoke shave that I inherited from my grand dad.Gary Boothe
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//I started out using the handheld antenna, but later installed an
external antenna. I mounted it to top cover on my center section
storage area, and my radio seems to work better. I have unshielded
harnesses on my A-65, so my radio is pretty noisy at cruise, but it
still works OK.
Ben
On 1/27/2011 7:59 AM, Douwe Blumberg wrote:
>
> Hey all,
>
> I'm not much of an electronics guy, so I'm putting this out there.
>
> Those of you flying, and using a handheld radio, do you find you need
> an external antenna or are you fine without?
>
> Then, if an antenna is a helpful thing, can a large piece of sheet
> metal, such as covering the lower bay behind my seat bulkhead do? (is
> this what I hear called a "ground plane"?) or does one need a regular
> antenna?
>
> Since she's "naked" again, this is a good time to address those little
> things rather than retrofitting.
>
> Thanks
>
> Douwe
>
> *
>
>
> *
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Subject: | Re: Brace cables, pulleys, wing supports |
They only sing if you have them properly tensioned. How was that again? -
Bwingg, Thummn or Fwang?
Stinemetze
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>>> "Clif Dawson" <CDAWSON5854@shaw.ca> 1/26/2011 9:48 PM >>>
I thought the whole idea of this hair-in-the-air, goggly-eyed,
silk scarf stuff was to hear the wires sing, sorta like Julie
Andrews without the Alps.
Clif
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Douwe, I used to be a radio amateur operator and know just a bit about
antennae. The radio would definately have more range with an outside
antenna, preferably mounted vertically. The antenna and ground plane
would then be connected to the radio with coaxial cable. The vertical
antenna should be connected to the center connector of the cable and the
ground plane connected to the metallic sleeve (or shield). The antenna
would be called a 'quarter-wave' ground plane antenna. The antenna
should be cut to a quarter wave length at the center of the operating
range. I have forgotten what the range of frequencies you would be
transmitting on, but figure the center of that range (not including the
VOR/ILS frequencies). Then use the following formula to calculate the
length of the vertical antenna. The ground plane should be as large as
you can convieniently make it. Mount the antenna vertically over the
ground plane, if possible (the two should not touch each other). For
instance, if you put the ground plane in the area directly behind the
rear seat you could mount the antenna on the rounded part of the
fuselage ( I've forgotten what it's called.) If you can find a "feed
through" insulator that's the best way to mount the antenna. Solder all
connections. The ground plane could be either aluminum (no solder) or a
sheet of thin steel. Thickness doesn't matter.
Antenna length (in feet)=234/Freq. (MHz) ie. for 121.7 megahertz the
antenna length would be 234/121.7=1.92 ft, (23inches). Something
happened to this post that caused the squiggly line. Sorry about that.
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----- Original Message -----
From: Douwe Blumberg
To: pietenpolgroup
Sent: Thursday, January 27, 2011 7:59 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: antenna
Hey all,
I'm not much of an electronics guy, so I'm putting this out there.
Those of you flying, and using a handheld radio, do you find you need
an external antenna or are you fine without?
Then, if an antenna is a helpful thing, can a large piece of sheet
metal, such as covering the lower bay behind my seat bulkhead do? (is
this what I hear called a "ground plane"?) or does one need a regular
antenna?
Since she's "naked" again, this is a good time to address those little
things rather than retrofitting.
Thanks
Douwe
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Douwe,
An external antenna increased the range of my handheld from maybe 5
miles to as much as 125 miles air to air. I had my plane based at
Meacham (class D) under DFW's class B for a year, and I could not have
operated that way without the external antenna. So the external
antenna will give you a lot more options when it comes to
communicating (not to mention air to air with friends, busy airspace,
INTELLIGIBILITY/clarity, etc.). If you intend to talk to people I
highly recommend an external antenna.
My antenna is an 1/8" brass brazing rod of the proper length, about
20.3" I believe, but verify that number. I can post it later. You
need to be within .25" or so of the exact length.
The "ground plane" is at the base of the antenna, but it is NOT the
antenna. For my plane it is the bottom of the nose cowling. The
ground plane needs to be attached to the braided ground shield from
the coax going to your radio, and it has to be insulated from the coax
center conductor which is the signal carrier. The center conductor
goes to the antenna. I soldered the center conductor through a hold
drilled in the top of the brass brazing rod. The brass rod is mounted
through a hole in my ground plane, insulated from the ground plane
using a variety of nylon bushings (nylon tubes and large thick nylon
"washers" or bushings) from the hardware store. Any large piece of
sheetmetal (or even foil) can be a ground plane. Large is ideally
about a 20" radius...my cowling is smaller in width but works well.
It is very important that the tip of your antenna is not close to any
other piece of metal. Being close to metal will distort the radiation
pattern or kill it completely. I.e., if it is too close to the gear
legs or a control cable, the antenna may be very strong away from the
gear leg but very weak towards the gear leg. Ideally, keep the tip
probably 16" to 20" from metal. Less than 12" will probably cause
significant reduction in performance.
You can buy cable and connectors from Jim Weir at RST Engineering.
(Jim worked for NASA on the Apollo program I believe it was). He also
has an aircraft antenna booklet that will tell you in very practical
language how you need to build your antenna, and he tells you how to
build about three different types that will work and can go inside or
outside of the plane (assuming you have a suitable place to mount one
inside). Inside is better because it looks right (Piets shouldn't
have antennas, although mine does...hidden by the gear) and it
eliminates drag (does that matter to us?). Use RG-58 coax...the stuff
you use for your TV WON'T WORK for your airplane.
http://www.rst-engr.com/rst/catalog/small_part.html
Send Jim an e-mail and ask how you can buy his Antenna Reference Text
(RST-8020). I think it was about $15, but well worth it. It'll save
you ten or twenty times that much compared to buying an antenna.
Some more good antenna information:
http://www.bowersflybaby.com/stories/antenna.htm
Hope this helps. E-mail me if you have some specific questions.
Steve Ruse
Norman, OK
Quoting Douwe Blumberg <douweblumberg@earthlink.net>:
> Hey all,
>
>
> I'm not much of an electronics guy, so I'm putting this out there.
>
>
> Those of you flying, and using a handheld radio, do you find you need an
> external antenna or are you fine without?
>
>
> Then, if an antenna is a helpful thing, can a large piece of sheet metal,
> such as covering the lower bay behind my seat bulkhead do? (is this what I
> hear called a "ground plane"?) or does one need a regular antenna?
>
>
> Since she's "naked" again, this is a good time to address those little
> things rather than retrofitting.
>
>
> Thanks
>
>
> Douwe
>
>
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Douwe, I sent you an epistle about antennas but it doesn't show up in my
'Sent items' box. I'll try to resend the important part. The main
thing is that the antenna should be the correct length - size of ground
plane doesn't really matter, the bigger the better. Formula for antenna
length: 234/frequency in MHz. For instance: For 121.7 MHz, antenna
would be 234/121.7=1.9 feet (23 inches) long. Cut the antenna for the
center of the band of frequencies you would be transmitting on (I've
forgotten the range).
Chuck
----- Original Message -----
From: Douwe Blumberg
To: pietenpolgroup
Sent: Thursday, January 27, 2011 7:59 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: antenna
Hey all,
I'm not much of an electronics guy, so I'm putting this out there.
Those of you flying, and using a handheld radio, do you find you need
an external antenna or are you fine without?
Then, if an antenna is a helpful thing, can a large piece of sheet
metal, such as covering the lower bay behind my seat bulkhead do? (is
this what I hear called a "ground plane"?) or does one need a regular
antenna?
Since she's "naked" again, this is a good time to address those little
things rather than retrofitting.
Thanks
Douwe
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Douwe, a piece of welding rod cut to the proper length would work for
the antenna. Because of recent posts on the net maybe you should
streamline it :-) There is a commercially available vertical antenna
that goes vertical for a few inches and is then bent backward at about
45 degrees. The designer was probably trying to reduce the drag. If
you're going to mount it on a large hunk of metal, find yourself a
'feed-thru' insulator to mount it with. Chuck
----- Original Message -----
From: Douwe Blumberg
To: pietenpolgroup
Sent: Thursday, January 27, 2011 7:59 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: antenna
Hey all,
I'm not much of an electronics guy, so I'm putting this out there.
Those of you flying, and using a handheld radio, do you find you need
an external antenna or are you fine without?
Then, if an antenna is a helpful thing, can a large piece of sheet
metal, such as covering the lower bay behind my seat bulkhead do? (is
this what I hear called a "ground plane"?) or does one need a regular
antenna?
Since she's "naked" again, this is a good time to address those little
things rather than retrofitting.
Thanks
Douwe
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Subject: | Re: Brace cables, pulleys, wing supports |
While working on streamlining your Piet, don't forget turnbuckle fairings. Here's
an example of a simple installation.
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=328682#328682
Attachments:
http://forums.matronics.com//files/turnbuckle_fairing_176.jpg
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Subject: | Re: Brace cables, pulleys, wing supports |
I like this discussion. That should be worth about another 10mph?.. Speaking of
less drag, are there any Lopresti speed fairing kits out there for the Piet?
It would be nice to tweak an extra 50-60 mph out of an A65.
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=328685#328685
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Subject: | Re: Brace cables, pulleys, wing supports |
I'm thinkin' speed wings, like the 601HDS and low friction wax. :-l
Gary
Definitely do not archive
------Original Message------
From: TriScout
Sender: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
ReplyTo: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Brace cables, pulleys, wing supports
Sent: Jan 27, 2011 7:33 AM
I like this discussion. That should be worth about another 10mph?.. Speaking of
less drag, are there any Lopresti speed fairing kits out there for the Piet?
It would be nice to tweak an extra 50-60 mph out of an A65.
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=328685#328685
Sent on the Sprint Now Network from my BlackBerry
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I made those and gave them to WW. I also made some for Aeromax and others
including the AirCamper logo. email me off-group and let me know what you
need.
Barry Davis
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of TOM
STINEMETZE
Sent: Wednesday, January 26, 2011 9:58 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Engine Decals
Listers:
For those of you who have put a neat looking logo such as: "Corvair", or
"110 HP" on the side of your lifter covers; how did you do it? I have
considered just painting it on or cutting the design out of stainless sheet
which generates the additional question of; "How is it attached?" I know
the Ford guys sometimes do the logo thing on the front of the case too so
this might not be a purely Corvair question.
Tom Stinemetze
N328X
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Douwe:
I agree with chuck's post on the quarter wave calculations and the need to mount
your antenna at the center of the "ground plane". There are ways to overcome
the length issue (nearly 2 feet) such as coiling a portion of the wire (that
is essentially what they have done in your handheld's rubber ducky antenna),
or by folding it back onto itself (without touching itself), but you will likely
degrade the effectiveness of the element if you do (create directivity, reduce
range, etc.).
You may or may not know, but your hand held is likely feeding your signal through
a BNC connector. You will want to get a BNC cable in order to feed your antenna...
don't convert from one connector type, to another, then to a cable, then
to another connection in order to get a signal to your antenna. The fewer
the connections the better as each additional connection results in some level
of signal loss, known as a bump in the electronics world. Also, keep your feedline
(cable between your radio and antenna) as short as reasonably possible.
I'm not suggesting that you run a tight line straight to your antenna, but
don't coil a 50' cable under the seat either. Aside from the obvious weight consideration
and the chance that it flop around, it will also attenuate (reduce)
your signal unnecessarily. You should be able to make this connection with
a 6, 8 or 10 foot cable, which are readily available from a variety of sources.
I've inserted a couple of BNC type connectors below so that you know what we are
talking about. If you need any help at all, feel free to shoot me a note.
--------
Mark Chouinard
Wings, Center Section and Empannage framed up - Working on Fuselage
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=328708#328708
Attachments:
http://forums.matronics.com//files/bnc_968.jpg
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Subject: | Re: wax solvent and trim tab size |
Answers:
1. Sander the inside.
2. Pietenpols do not have trim tabs.
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=328712#328712
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Subject: | Re: Brace cables, pulleys, wing supports |
I'm thinkin you can streamline all you want and it ain't gonna get you much
. You can hanc a canoe on the side of a super Cub on floats and you only l
ose about 4kts.
do not archive
Doug Dever
In beautiful Stow Ohio
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Brace cables=2C pulleys=2C wing supports
> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> From: gboothe5@comcast.net
> Date: Thu=2C 27 Jan 2011 15:57:38 +0000
>
>
> I'm thinkin' speed wings=2C like the 601HDS and low friction wax. :-l
>
> Gary
> Definitely do not archive
> ------Original Message------
> From: TriScout
> Sender: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> ReplyTo: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Brace cables=2C pulleys=2C wing supports
> Sent: Jan 27=2C 2011 7:33 AM
>
>
> I like this discussion. That should be worth about another 10mph?.. Speak
ing of less drag=2C are there any Lopresti speed fairing kits out there for
the Piet? It would be nice to tweak an extra 50-60 mph out of an A65.
>
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> Read this topic online here:
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> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=328685#328685
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> Sent on the Sprint=AE Now Network from my BlackBerry=AE
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Subject: | Re: Brace cables, pulleys, wing supports |
All of my turnbuckles are in line with the slip stream - not crosswise.
What can we do to reduce the drag on those?
----- Original Message -----
From: "BYD" <billsayre@ymail.com>
Sent: Thursday, January 27, 2011 10:22 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Brace cables, pulleys, wing supports
>
> While working on streamlining your Piet, don't forget turnbuckle fairings.
> Here's an example of a simple installation.
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=328682#328682
>
>
> Attachments:
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> http://forums.matronics.com//files/turnbuckle_fairing_176.jpg
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I've received a couple of messages stating that my photo link didn't come through
properly in the e-mail version. It's not a big deal... just a photo of a variety
of different BNC connectors.
Here is the direct link for those that might be interested.
--------
Mark Chouinard
Wings, Center Section and Empannage framed up - Working on Fuselage
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=328731#328731
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Subject: | Re: Ski pictures |
Thanks Don
That took care of all of my questions. Now I'll start building.
Dick
----- Original Message -----
From: "Don Emch" <EmchAir@aol.com>
Sent: Thursday, January 13, 2011 5:37 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Ski pictures
>
> Just thought I'd post a few pictures of the skis that I've borrowed from
> Frank Pavliga. Eventually I plan to build my own. I'll post the very
> amateurish sketch that I made too. Every Piet pilot should have the
> opportunity to lower their cold tolerance by flying on skis!
>
> Don Emch
> NX899DE
>
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> Read this topic online here:
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> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=326953#326953
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Subject: | Re: Brace cables, pulleys, wing supports |
We must not forget our big fat heads sticking out of the cockpit. Should
pick up one of these to reduce the drag:
[image: 581429.jpg]
The aerodynamic effectiveness of streamlining the turnbuckles with duct tape
is increased if the pilot can look just as stupid as the aircraft.... ;)
Ryan
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> wrote:
> cncampbell@windstream.net>
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> All of my turnbuckles are in line with the slip stream - not crosswise.
> What can we do to reduce the drag on those?
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "BYD" <billsayre@ymail.com>
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> To: <pietenpol-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Thursday, January 27, 2011 10:22 AM
>
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Brace cables, pulleys, wing supports
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>> While working on streamlining your Piet, don't forget turnbuckle fairings.
>> Here's an example of a simple installation.
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Subject: | Re: Brace cables, pulleys, wing supports |
Hey! That's no problem. Some people tell me I look stupid all the
time!
----- Original Message -----
From: Ryan Mueller
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, January 27, 2011 3:56 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Brace cables, pulleys, wing supports
We must not forget our big fat heads sticking out of the cockpit.
Should pick up one of these to reduce the drag:
The aerodynamic effectiveness of streamlining the turnbuckles with
duct tape is increased if the pilot can look just as stupid as the
aircraft.... ;)
Ryan
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On Thu, Jan 27, 2011 at 1:49 PM, Charles Campbell
<cncampbell@windstream.net> wrote:
<cncampbell@windstream.net>
All of my turnbuckles are in line with the slip stream - not
crosswise. What can we do to reduce the drag on those?
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To: <pietenpol-list@matronics.com>
Sent: Thursday, January 27, 2011 10:22 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Brace cables, pulleys, wing supports
While working on streamlining your Piet, don't forget turnbuckle
fairings. Here's an example of a simple installation.
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Subject: | Re: Brace cables, pulleys, wing supports |
I think we need wind tunnel testing,with smoke and a couple of NASA engineers,should
be able to get 145 kts outta my O 235,oops the plane red lines at 100 mph.oh
well
do not archive dave
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Covering Piet
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Subject: | Stainless firewall |
I got an elevator door skin that is brand new. It has a tiny ding on one end is
the reason I got it. It is just the right width with 90 degree flanges....already
half made. I need to take a support out of it that is glued in. The glue
is gray colored and not rock hard but yet it is not rubbery. How do I get the
glue to turn loose without harming that mirror finish? Heat?? I tried a heat gun
and it didn't put out enough heat.
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Jerry Dotson
59 Daniel Johnson Rd
Baker, FL 32531
Started building NX510JD July, 2009
wing, tailfeathers done, fuselage rolling
using Lycoming O-235
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Subject: | Wing Construction |
Making progress on my Piet. Wanted to share some pictures.
Chuck
Raleigh NC
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Subject: | Piet building youtube videos |
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_6byakUaHL0
Chuck
Raleigh
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Subject: | Re: Wing Construction |
Looks tremendous Chuck! Thanks for sharing,
Ryan
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On Thu, Jan 27, 2011 at 5:43 PM, cjborsuk <cjborsuk@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> Making progress on my Piet. Wanted to share some pictures.
>
> Chuck
> Raleigh NC
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> Read this topic online here:
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> http://forums.matronics.com//files/right_wing_1_s_193.jpg
> http://forums.matronics.com//files/left_wing_4_s_219.jpg
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Subject: | Re: Wing Construction |
Nice... very exciting when all those ribs start to look like a wing.
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Mark Chouinard
Wings, Center Section and Empannage framed up - Working on Fuselage
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Subject: | Wing Construction |
Very nice, Chuck! I see the obligatory view down the center of the ribs, and
old license plates affixed to the wall...very important! A bonafide shop...
Gary Boothe
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of cjborsuk
Sent: Thursday, January 27, 2011 3:43 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Wing Construction
Making progress on my Piet. Wanted to share some pictures.
Chuck
Raleigh NC
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Subject: | Re: Brace cables, pulleys, wing supports |
How about covering the gap between the fwd and aft lift struts with fabric,
like a wing, better yet clear mylar as to not disturb the visibility from
the cockpit.
ha ha
Shad
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--- On Thu, 1/27/11, Ryan Mueller <rmueller23@gmail.com> wrote:
From: Ryan Mueller <rmueller23@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Brace cables, pulleys, wing supports
We must not forget our big fat heads sticking out of the cockpit. Should pi
ck up one of these to reduce the drag:
The aerodynamic effectiveness of streamlining the turnbuckles with duct tap
e is increased if the pilot can look just as stupid as the aircraft.... -
-;)
Ryan
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t> wrote:
ream.net>
All of my turnbuckles are in line with the slip stream - not crosswise. Wha
t can we do to reduce the drag on those?
----- Original Message ----- From: "BYD" <billsayre@ymail.com>
Sent: Thursday, January 27, 2011 10:22 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Brace cables, pulleys, wing supports
While working on streamlining your Piet, don't forget turnbuckle fairings.
Here's an example of a simple installation.
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Subject: | Re: Wing Construction |
i look forward to that day... it looks great
what size plywood web is that if you don't mind me asking ??
jeff
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my ford has a place to sit after a day at work
looking forward to some spars
jeff
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Subject: | Re: Wing Construction |
"what size plywood web is that?"
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I used 3/8 for the web. 1/4 for the fillers.
Chuck Borsuk=0A=0A=0A
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Subject: | Re: Piet building youtube videos |
Very nice. Your bending jig looks like it's deep enough to accomodate more than
1 capstrip at a time, why not pre-bend 2 or 3 at a time?
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Billy McCaskill
Urbana, IL
tail section almost done, starting on ribs soon
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Subject: | Re: Wing Construction |
Very nice, Chuck.
Tell us a little about your spars. What material did you use for the web and
flanges? What are the dimensions?
Thanks,
Greg Cardinal
Minneapolis
----- Original Message -----
From: "cjborsuk" <cjborsuk@yahoo.com>
Sent: Thursday, January 27, 2011 5:43 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Wing Construction
>
> Making progress on my Piet. Wanted to share some pictures.
>
> Chuck
> Raleigh NC
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> Read this topic online here:
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> http://forums.matronics.com//files/right_wing_1_s_193.jpg
> http://forums.matronics.com//files/left_wing_4_s_219.jpg
> http://forums.matronics.com//files/left_wing_2_s_214.jpg
> http://forums.matronics.com//files/spars_005_s_112.jpg
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Subject: | Re: Piet building youtube videos |
You are right, I could have fit about 3 in there at a time. I had a system going
that worked well and produced a finished rib per day, so I did not gain anything
by bending more than one at a time. I also felt I had a bit more control
over the quality bending one at a time.
I am not in a big hurry. Trying to enjoy the process.
Chuck
Raleigh NC
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Subject: | Wing Construction |
Looking good, Chuck.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP "Icarus Plummet"
Raleigh, NC
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[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of cjborsuk
Sent: Thursday, January 27, 2011 6:43 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Wing Construction
Making progress on my Piet. Wanted to share some pictures.
Chuck
Raleigh NC
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Subject: | Re: Wing Construction |
It smacks a bit of the Mike Cuy method of building a nice spar....
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> gcardinal@comcast.net>
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> Very nice, Chuck.
>
> Tell us a little about your spars. What material did you use for the web
> and flanges? What are the dimensions?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Greg Cardinal
> Minneapolis
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "cjborsuk" <cjborsuk@yahoo.com>
>
> To: <pietenpol-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Thursday, January 27, 2011 5:43 PM
>
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Wing Construction
>
>
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>> Making progress on my Piet. Wanted to share some pictures.
>>
>> Chuck
>> Raleigh NC
>>
>>
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>>
>> Read this topic online here:
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>> Attachments:
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>> http://forums.matronics.com//files/left_wing_1_s_138.jpg
>> http://forums.matronics.com//files/center_section_s_177.jpg
>> http://forums.matronics.com//files/right_wing_3_s_160.jpg
>> http://forums.matronics.com//files/right_wing_2_s_137.jpg
>> http://forums.matronics.com//files/right_wing_1_s_193.jpg
>> http://forums.matronics.com//files/left_wing_4_s_219.jpg
>> http://forums.matronics.com//files/left_wing_2_s_214.jpg
>> http://forums.matronics.com//files/spars_005_s_112.jpg
>> http://forums.matronics.com//files/spars_004_s_573.jpg
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Subject: | Re: Wing Construction |
I used a combination of quarter-inch and three-eighth marine ply, doug fir and
spruce. I cut the 3/8 ply to width and scarfed two pieces together. After a lot
of trial and error on getting the scarf joints to work, I came up with a solution
using my table saw. I am very pleased with the result. I can go into more
detail on how I did this if needed. I then ripped the doug fir for the top and
bottom of the spars and scarfed those together. I used the quarter-inch ply
to fill in the middle and end of the spars. I had some left over spruce that
I planed down for the tips.
Results:
Time: This method takes much longer than using solid spruce and routing out the
spars.
Money: I saved a bunch of money. I figure I spent about $300 total for all the
material. I was able to buy the marine ply and doug fir local.
Weight: Based on what I have been able to determine using info in the forum, they
weigh slightly less than the routed spruce spars.
Strength: I am sure this could be debated, but I think they are stronger than the
spruce.
As stated many times in this forum, I find that working with spruce is much more
enjoyable than working with the doug fir. Spruce is just a joy to work with.
With the doug fir plan on many splinters. All my ribs are spruce and I did not
get the first splinter.
Overall, I am very pleased with the way the spars turned out.
Dimensions: Approx 5 inches tall (front spar a bit taller than the aft). 7/8 on
the width.
Chuck
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Subject: | Re: Wing Construction |
Definitely a lot of Mike Cuy in there! I also need to give credit to the person
behind the attached drawing. Who drew this? I must thank you!
Chuck
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For those who always want to know everything, BNC stands for Berkely Nuclear Corp'n
and started during the Manhatten project. So now your Piet will join the
elite. Go fly!
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Subject: | Re: engine mount |
Looking real nice, Jeff! You're making great progress...
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Billy McCaskill
Urbana, IL
tail section almost done, starting on ribs soon
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Subject: | Re: Stainless firewall |
Maybe try a propane torch? I think the stainless is acting like a giant heat sink
and is dissipating the heat from the heat gun too quickly to break down the
bond of the adhesive.
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Billy McCaskill
Urbana, IL
tail section almost done, starting on ribs soon
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