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1. 04:23 AM - Re: the Pietenpol has drag written all over it (Dangerous Dave)
2. 04:26 AM - Re: Piet building youtube videos (Dangerous Dave)
3. 04:33 AM - Re: Re: Wing Construction (helspersew@aol.com)
4. 04:57 AM - Re: Wing Construction (Dangerous Dave)
5. 05:10 AM - Re: Re: Wing Construction (helspersew@aol.com)
6. 06:01 AM - Ford Engine Modifications (PShipman)
7. 06:22 AM - Re: Piet building youtube videos (cjborsuk)
8. 06:23 AM - Re: Ford Engine Modifications (Doug Dever)
9. 06:26 AM - Re: Ford Engine Modifications (Doug Dever)
10. 07:28 AM - Re: Ford Engine Modifications (Pieti Lowell)
11. 09:10 AM - Fw: Aol mail address addition (Amsafetyc@gmail.com)
12. 10:13 AM - Re: Ford Engine Modifications (bender)
13. 10:27 AM - Re: Wing Construction (bender)
14. 01:05 PM - Re: Stainless firewall (carson)
15. 02:31 PM - Re: Ford Engine Modifications (PShipman)
16. 02:45 PM - Re: Stainless firewall (Dangerous Dave)
17. 02:51 PM - More progress (Dangerous Dave)
18. 03:50 PM - Re: Stainless firewall (Jerry Dotson)
19. 04:17 PM - Re: antenna (Ozarkflyer)
20. 05:34 PM - A few thoughts as the project winds up (Woodflier@aol.com)
21. 05:41 PM - first flight hour of 2011 (Oscar Zuniga)
22. 06:01 PM - Re: first flight hour of 2011 (airlion)
23. 06:01 PM - Re: first flight hour of 2011 (kevinpurtee)
24. 06:06 PM - Re: A few thoughts as the project winds up (kevinpurtee)
25. 07:16 PM - Re: Re: Piet building youtube videos (Clif Dawson)
26. 07:25 PM - Re: Ford Engine Modifications (Clif Dawson)
27. 07:42 PM - Re: Re: first flight hour of 2011 (Michael Perez)
28. 09:49 PM - Re: A few thoughts as the project winds up (TOM MICHELLE BRANT)
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| Subject: | Re: the Pietenpol has drag written all over it |
So this is what I am building.Dave
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| Subject: | Re: Piet building youtube videos |
My economy jig.dave
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| Subject: | Re: Wing Construction |
Chuck,
Veeeeery nice. I can feel the vibes through the YouTube: You are having loa
ds of fun. Good for you. I am sure you will be one of the ones that will fi
nish and fly to Brodhead.
Dan Helsper
Poplar Grove, IL.
(soon) Puryear, TN.
PS Your shop is too clean and organized. How do you get anything done?
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| Subject: | Re: Wing Construction |
Dan,Is this more to your liking?dave
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| Subject: | Re: Wing Construction |
Now THATS what I'm talk'n bout!!
Dan Helsper
Poplar Grove, IL.
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From: Dangerous Dave <dsornbor@aol.com>
Sent: Sat, Jan 29, 2011 6:58 am
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Wing Construction
Dan,Is this more to your liking?dave
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| Subject: | Ford Engine Modifications |
Has anyone built a Piet with a modified Model A Ford engine (i.e. high compression
head, high torque cam, etc.)?
If so, what have been the results?
If not, what have been the concerns that have kept folks from doing that?
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| Subject: | Re: Piet building youtube videos |
Mike,
I let the capstrip soak about 24hrs. I bought a 5' piece of PVC pipe and a cap
from Home Depot. I didn't even glue the cap. About $4, I believe.
Gotta love Dave's jig for real economy!
Chuck
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| Subject: | Ford Engine Modifications |
Talk to Pieti Lowell. I think his puts out aroung 90hp.
Doug Dever
In beautiful Stow Ohio
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Ford Engine Modifications
> From: perrytshipman@gmail.com
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| Subject: | Ford Engine Modifications |
In talking with the Model A hot rodders the biggest problem with it is it d
eosn't breath well. Bigger intake valves do more to increase hp than anyth
ing. You could probably go to 5.9:1 without any problems if you call that
high compression. Lowell?
Doug Dever
In beautiful Stow Ohio
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Ford Engine Modifications
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| Subject: | Re: Ford Engine Modifications |
An A or B can have inserts and a 6.5 compression ratio, I installed fuel injection
on my A in 1992, ran it 2 years , and completely dissembled it to check it's
Babbitt, There was no problems, When using a 76 X 42 Prop the RPM increased
to 2500 at full throttle , Even at that speed there was no damage to the engine,
The B I now run is highly modified with close to 80 HP, swinging a 76 X 47
prop. With many mods it was worked on in 1988, torn down for inspection twice
. reassembled and is still working well.
Carburetor in important, The best HP that I found , was a progressive two barrel.
Pieti Lowell
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| Subject: | Fw: Aol mail address addition |
Resend
Sent via DROID on Verizon Wireless
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From: "Amsafetyc@gmail.com" <amsafetyc@gmail.com>
Sent: Sat, Jan 29, 2011 16:37:57 GMT+00:00
Subject: Aol mail address addition
I have been experiencing difficulty posting to the forum of late. I have
rejoined the board as Amsafetyc@gmail.com to try to resolve the issue so if
you see the new address its still or just me.
My apologies for the confusion
I am going to keep the aol account active also so its still a viable off
list address and requires no change to your address book for my contact.
Thanks
John Recine
Amsafetyc @aolcom or gmail.com
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| Subject: | Re: Ford Engine Modifications |
my engine is at Antique Engine Rebuilders now....i talked to the owner who has
built a ton of A engines about what we do with the engine..
a high compression head seems to give the most bang for the buck and fuel and air
are big too. my engine will have bigger intake valves modern chevy pistons,
lighter and better ring seal.. a reground B profile cam that has a bit more lift
and duration from what i understand. we talked about a new "340" cam... but
he seemed to think that at 2000 rpm it may not be enough worth the $500 for
the cam... he says spend the money on a good head and intake and carb. the B carb
is bigger than the A but the A intake could be opened up to match the B bore.
i plan to build my own intake... we'll see how it goes
BTW snyders is working on a new casting for their 8 plug aluminum head... i'm on
the list for one when they come out
jeff
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| Subject: | Re: Wing Construction |
is the marine ply you used Meranti or Okume ?
i doesn't look like douglas fir..
i've been thinking of going the same route. one because of locally available wood
two for strength and weight.
it looks good
jeff
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| Subject: | Re: Stainless firewall |
What about a length of piano wire pushed through between the two pieces of metal
then wrap each end around a short piece of broom stick and cut the glue that's
how I have seen windscreens that are glued in cars removed
Carson
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| Subject: | Re: Ford Engine Modifications |
Thanks for the feedback.
Yes ... the RPM range is the real issue ... there are lots of things you can do
with an engine that is going to do lots of RPM but at the normal range we swing
a prop it really limits the options.
The Lion Speed Head IV on Scalded Speed Parts offers 6.5 to 1 in Aluminum with
an 8 plug option.
Pieti Lowell's comment concerning a progressive two barrel makes a lot of sense
for both low and mid range power, IMO.
I always thought, though, that big values hurt mixing-flow/torque at low RPMs ...
is there an ideal size of the 2000-2500 RPM range?
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| Subject: | Re: Stainless firewall |
Jerry,Get some of the nasty GOO GONE,the kind with all the tolulene and MEK and
soak it and let it sit for a day,should be able to peel it off.They have it at
Home Despot.Heat May buckle it and will probably color it,especialy if its polished,dave
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Howdy,going to start painting em tomorrow.Yeah no more stitching!dave
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| Subject: | Re: Stainless firewall |
I got 'er done this morning. Propane torch did the trick. That is a nice piece
of metal and the price was O so right. It has flanges on each side 24 3/8" inside.
All I will have to do is trim a little off the flanges and shape the bottom
and top. I hope to finish welding the wing tank tomorrow. My son is coming
over. His TIG welding is much better than mine.
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59 Daniel Johnson Rd
Baker, FL 32531
Started building NX510JD July, 2009
wing, tailfeathers done, fuselage rolling
using Lycoming O-235
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If you go to the RST engineering web site listed above, Weir has some informative
how-to articles that were published in Kitplanes.
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| Subject: | A few thoughts as the project winds up |
Now that I'm really about finished with Mike Lima, I thought I'd bore you
all with a few random thoughts. Years ago, I wrote some columns for AvWeb on
building the Piet. and in one of those, written in 2002, I opined that I
thought I might be able to keep the cost at about $8000. I wish I'd been
able to keep it at twice that! Of course, a lot of stuff increased in price
from 2002 to 2011, but there are some things I should have done to keep costs
down.
I just had to add up all the invoices to pay the Commonwealth of Virginia
"sales tax" on the airplane. All in all, I have a bit over $22,000 in it.
$8400 is in the engine, which I had overhauled by Bob Barrows, the designer
of the Bearhawk and my Technical Counselor. He's tops and I have great
confidence in his work. I think the money put into the engine is worth the
price. But, in looking at the 150-odd invoices from AC Spruce over 11 years, I
paid a TON of shipping costs. The moral - try to combine your orders as much
as possible. See if you can find a local or area source for the few things
you may have overlooked.
I thought I'd be able to build the airplane in 2-3 years. If I'd worked on
it at least 5 days a week, for 2-3 hours, I think I would have finished in
that time. But there are at least 4 years in which nothing was done, and
sometimes weeks when I did no actual work on it. But often during those
'times off', I was thinking about a problem and often would solve them in my
head without having to go down blind alleys and then redo things. I even
remember once dreaming about a problem and coming to a solution in the dream.
Other than some changes necessitated by the realities of flying in today's
world, like seatbelts, shoulder harnesses, brakes and tailwheels, I stuck
with the plans. I did appropriate Mike Cuy's fuselage tank idea, and Jack
Phillips's tailwheel steering plan. But most everything else is pure Bernard
Pietenpol.
I'm already missing having the plane in the workshop and thinking and
planning what's next. There are a few things left to do before the airworthiness
inspection and that will keep me busy for the next weeks. It is true that
the journey is as important, or more so, than the end result. I have
thoroughly enjoyed the trip.
I look forward to seeing many of you at Brodhead.
Matt Paxton
NX629ML
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| Subject: | first flight hour of 2011 |
Between this weekend and one two weeks ago, I logged my first flight hour
of 2011 in Scout. The flight two weeks ago was a scant two-tenths... I
went up to test some adjustments we'd made in the engine thrustline
(good outcome!) but it was quite cold and we had had rain the day before
so things were still messy. I had to keep carb heat on quite a bit to
get full power, so conditions were ripe for carb ice and I didn't need to
be up flying anyway.
Today I put eight tenths on, giving rides to my daughter and her boyfriend.
John Kuhfahl came out to watch and also helped with prop starting. The
first flight, with boyfriend Ryan aboard, was surely very close to max
gross on the airplane and the performance reflected that. We had a high
overcast and a bit of humidity in the air, and I again needed carb heat
more than usual so I tried to be wary. Flying with my daughter in the
front cockpit, about half the passenger weight of Ryan, the airplane was
back to its usual spriteliness but the engine still wanted carb heat a
lot. I'm going to have to check the jetting and all the intake spider
clamps, since the engine seems to be running lean and that's not a good thing.
A good time was had by all, decent landings were made by the pilot, and
we all went home smiling and talking about the afternoon so I guess the
airplane worked its magic once again. I was pleasantly surprised for a few
moments while flying my daughter, when I needed to adjust my shoulder
harness and had to unbuckle both it and the lap belt to mess with them. For
perhaps 10-15 seconds, my hands were off the stick and the airplane not only
stayed mostly straight and level, it actually felt like it would have kept
doing so if not for the thermals. It's never been this stable before so I'm
glad we made the tweaks that we did: a bit of vertical stabilizer offset,
some engine down-thrust and offset to the right, and just a tad of aileron
balance adjustment between starboard and port. It's getting better and better.
Pietenpoling in south Texas in
January. Too chilly aloft for just shirt sleeves, but too warm on the
ground for jackets or gloves. Wish you were here! ;o)
Oscar Zuniga
Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
San Antonio, TX
website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
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| Subject: | Re: first flight hour of 2011 |
I went flying today for the first time in two months and it was nice in the mid
60's. Hope it stays that way for a while. Gardiner
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From: Oscar Zuniga <taildrags@hotmail.com>
Sent: Sat, January 29, 2011 8:38:40 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: first flight hour of 2011
Between this weekend and one two weeks ago, I logged my first flight hour
of 2011 in Scout. The flight two weeks ago was a scant two-tenths... I
went up to test some adjustments we'd made in the engine thrustline
(good outcome!) but it was quite cold and we had had rain the day before
so things were still messy. I had to keep carb heat on quite a bit to
get full power, so conditions were ripe for carb ice and I didn't need to
be up flying anyway.
Today I put eight tenths on, giving rides to my daughter and her boyfriend.
John Kuhfahl came out to watch and also helped with prop starting. The
first flight, with boyfriend Ryan aboard, was surely very close to max
gross on the airplane and the performance reflected that. We had a high
overcast and a bit of humidity in the air, and I again needed carb heat
more than usual so I tried to be wary. Flying with my daughter in the
front cockpit, about half the passenger weight of Ryan, the airplane was
back to its usual spriteliness but the engine still wanted carb heat a
lot. I'm going to have to check the jetting and all the intake spider
clamps, since the engine seems to be running lean and that's not a good thing.
A good time was had by all, decent landings were made by the pilot, and
we all went home smiling and talking about the afternoon so I guess the
airplane worked its magic once again. I was pleasantly surprised for a few
moments while flying my daughter, when I needed to adjust my shoulder
harness and had to unbuckle both it and the lap belt to mess with them. For
perhaps 10-15 seconds, my hands were off the stick and the airplane not only
stayed mostly straight and level, it actually felt like it would have kept
doing so if not for the thermals. It's never been this stable before so I'm
glad we made the tweaks that we did: a bit of vertical stabilizer offset,
some engine down-thrust and offset to the right, and just a tad of aileron
balance adjustment between starboard and port. It's getting better and better.
Pietenpoling in south Texas in
January. Too chilly aloft for just shirt sleeves, but too warm on the
ground for jackets or gloves. Wish you were here! ;o)
Oscar Zuniga
Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
San Antonio, TX
website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
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| Subject: | Re: first flight hour of 2011 |
Yeah, I wish I was there, too!
Nice post, Oscar. Thanks.
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| Subject: | Re: A few thoughts as the project winds up |
Beautiful, Matt! Thanks for the post and picture. I've realized/done a lot of
the same things you've mentioned: total costs, shipping costs, thinking about
it while out of town, etc.
Good Lord willin' we shall fly formation in July!
Will be excited to hear about the first flight.
Kevin
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Austin/Georgetown, TX
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| Subject: | Re: Piet building youtube videos |
DD, THAT is the most intelligent and creative jig
I've seen in a long while!
Clif
Great improvisers are like priests.
They are thinking only of their god.
Stephanie Grappelli, Jazz Violinist.
"Dangerous Dave" <dsornbor@aol.com>
> My economy jig.dave
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| Subject: | Re: Ford Engine Modifications |
http://www.amuffler.com/dyno/dyno1.htm
http://www.modelaengine.com/
Clif
In talking with the Model A hot rodders the biggest problem with it is
it deosn't breath well. Bigger intake valves do more to increase hp
than anything. You could probably go to 5.9:1 without any problems if
you call that high compression. Lowell?
Doug Dever
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| Subject: | Re: first flight hour of 2011 |
Here in Ohio it has been below freezing for quite a few days. Here at my house,
we have about 12" of snow on the ground. (Down from about 18" or so we got a
week or so ago.)Contrary to most,
I LOVE it! I have a lot more free time in the winter which translates to more
building time. Forecasts for next week is more snow...BRING IT!
Michael Perez
Karetaker Aero
www.karetakeraero.com
--- On Sat, 1/29/11, kevinpurtee <kevin.purtee@us.army.mil> wrote:
> From: kevinpurtee <kevin.purtee@us.army.mil>
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: first flight hour of 2011
> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> Date: Saturday, January 29, 2011, 8:59 PM
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> Yeah, I wish I was there, too!
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> Nice post, Oscar. Thanks.
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| Subject: | A few thoughts as the project winds up |
Matt=2C
Thanks for sharing your experience - this is the kind of stuff that inspire
s the rest of us. I like you have spent - and will spend far more on my Pi
et than I originally thought. I started in 2000 and I still have a long wa
y to go. I work on it when I can which is very seldom=2C but tonight was a
good night. I finally got two of my spars cut out. I plan to start worki
ng on the Cabanes this week and with a little luck i can get the center sec
tion mounted to the fuselage in another week or so. Maybe by spring I'll s
tart stringing the spars with ribs - or maybe not - depends on what life br
ings I guess.. I've finally accepted that completion is a long term goal -
not a short term goal.
Congrats on your aircraft - it looks like a beauty. I'm looking forward to
seeing it at Brodhead this summer. Enjoy.
Tom B.
From: Woodflier@aol.com
Subject: Pietenpol-List: A few thoughts as the project winds up
Now that I'm really about finished with Mike Lima=2C I thought I'd bore you
all with a few random thoughts. Years ago=2C I wrote some columns for AvWeb
on
building the Piet. and in one of those=2C written in 2002=2C I opined that
I thought
I might be able to keep the cost at about $8000. I wish I'd been able to ke
ep it
at twice that! Of course=2C a lot of stuff increased in price from 2002 to
2011=2C
but there are some things I should have done to keep costs down.
I just had to add up all the invoices to pay the Commonwealth of Virginia
"sales tax" on the airplane. All in all=2C I have a bit over $22=2C000 in i
t. $8400
is in the engine=2C which I had overhauled by Bob Barrows=2C the designer o
f the
Bearhawk and my Technical Counselor. He's tops and I have great confidence
in
his work. I think the money put into the engine is worth the price. But=2C
in
looking at the 150-odd invoices from AC Spruce over 11 years=2C I paid a TO
N of
shipping costs. The moral - try to combine your orders as much as possible.
See
if you can find a local or area source for the few things you may have
overlooked.
I thought I'd be able to build the airplane in 2-3 years. If I'd worked on
it at least 5 days a week=2C for 2-3 hours=2C I think I would have finished
in that
time. But there are at least 4 years in which nothing was done=2C and somet
imes
weeks when I did no actual work on it. But often during those 'times off'
=2C I was
thinking about a problem and often would solve them in my head without havi
ng to
go down blind alleys and then redo things. I even remember once dreaming ab
out a
problem and coming to a solution in the dream.
Other than some changes necessitated by the realities of flying in today's
world=2C like seatbelts=2C shoulder harnesses=2C brakes and tailwheels=2C I
stuck with
the plans. I did appropriate Mike Cuy's fuselage tank idea=2C and Jack Phil
lips's
tailwheel steering plan. But most everything else is pure Bernard Pietenpol
.
I'm already missing having the plane in the workshop and thinking and
planning what's next. There are a few things left to do before the airworth
iness
inspection and that will keep me busy for the next weeks. It is true that t
he
journey is as important=2C or more so=2C than the end result. I have thorou
ghly
enjoyed the trip.
I look forward to seeing many of you at Brodhead.
Matt Paxton
NX629ML
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