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1. 04:05 AM - Re: A few thoughts as the project winds up (Jack Phillips)
2. 04:44 AM - Re: A few thoughts as the project winds up (helspersew@aol.com)
3. 05:25 AM - Re: Re: first flight hour of 2011 (Charles Campbell)
4. 05:34 AM - congrats Mat!! (Douwe Blumberg)
5. 06:07 AM - Re: first flight hour of 2011 (RBush96589@aol.com)
6. 06:27 AM - Re: Re: first flight hour of 2011 (Kip and Beth Gardner)
7. 06:42 AM - Re: first flight hour of 2011 (John Kuhfahl)
8. 07:13 AM - Re: A few thoughts as the project winds up (pineymb)
9. 07:52 AM - Re: first flight hour of 2011 (K5YAC)
10. 08:01 AM - soaking the cap strips (JOSEPH SWITHIN)
11. 08:26 AM - Re: soaking the cap strips (Kringle)
12. 08:36 AM - Re: soaking the cap strips (Gboothe5)
13. 09:21 AM - Re: soaking the cap strips (Charles Campbell)
14. 09:32 AM - Re: soaking the cap strips (Charles Campbell)
15. 09:41 AM - Re: soaking the cap strips (CJ Borsuk)
16. 03:15 PM - Has anyone done a Piet with a CAM 100 engine? (PShipman)
17. 04:33 PM - Re: Has anyone done a Piet with a CAM 100 engine? (Charles Campbell)
18. 04:49 PM - Re: Has anyone done a Piet with a CAM 100 engine? (dgaldrich)
19. 05:03 PM - Re: Re: Has anyone done a Piet with a CAM 100 engine? (Charles Campbell)
20. 05:10 PM - Re: Has anyone done a Piet with a CAM 100 engine? (moondogman)
21. 05:34 PM - Re: Re: Has anyone done a Piet with a CAM 100 engine? (Michael Silvius)
22. 05:58 PM - Re: Has anyone done a Piet with a CAM 100 engine? (PShipman)
23. 07:56 PM - Re: Has anyone done a Piet with a CAM 100 engine? (Kip and Beth Gardner)
24. 11:34 PM - Re: Has anyone done a Piet with a CAM 100 engine? (Clif Dawson)
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| Subject: | A few thoughts as the project winds up |
Congratulations, Matt! Looks very nice
If Gene Rambo gets his Pietenpol finished this spring we should have quite a
contingent flying up from Virginia to Brodhead.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP "Icarus Plummet"
Raleigh, NC but based at Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
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[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
Woodflier@aol.com
Sent: Saturday, January 29, 2011 8:31 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: A few thoughts as the project winds up
Now that I'm really about finished with Mike Lima, I thought I'd bore you
all with a few random thoughts. Years ago, I wrote some columns for AvWeb on
building the Piet. and in one of those, written in 2002, I opined that I
thought I might be able to keep the cost at about $8000. I wish I'd been
able to keep it at twice that! Of course, a lot of stuff increased in price
from 2002 to 2011, but there are some things I should have done to keep
costs down.
I just had to add up all the invoices to pay the Commonwealth of Virginia
"sales tax" on the airplane. All in all, I have a bit over $22,000 in it.
$8400 is in the engine, which I had overhauled by Bob Barrows, the designer
of the Bearhawk and my Technical Counselor. He's tops and I have great
confidence in his work. I think the money put into the engine is worth the
price. But, in looking at the 150-odd invoices from AC Spruce over 11 years,
I paid a TON of shipping costs. The moral - try to combine your orders as
much as possible. See if you can find a local or area source for the few
things you may have overlooked.
I thought I'd be able to build the airplane in 2-3 years. If I'd worked on
it at least 5 days a week, for 2-3 hours, I think I would have finished in
that time. But there are at least 4 years in which nothing was done, and
sometimes weeks when I did no actual work on it. But often during those
'times off', I was thinking about a problem and often would solve them in my
head without having to go down blind alleys and then redo things. I even
remember once dreaming about a problem and coming to a solution in the
dream.
Other than some changes necessitated by the realities of flying in today's
world, like seatbelts, shoulder harnesses, brakes and tailwheels, I stuck
with the plans. I did appropriate Mike Cuy's fuselage tank idea, and Jack
Phillips's tailwheel steering plan. But most everything else is pure Bernard
Pietenpol.
I'm already missing having the plane in the workshop and thinking and
planning what's next. There are a few things left to do before the
airworthiness inspection and that will keep me busy for the next weeks. It
is true that the journey is as important, or more so, than the end result. I
have thoroughly enjoyed the trip.
I look forward to seeing many of you at Brodhead.
Matt Paxton
NX629ML
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| Subject: | Re: A few thoughts as the project winds up |
I just had to add up all the invoices to pay the Commonwealth of Virginia "
sales tax" on the airplane
What's this all about? I have heard of this kind of thing happening in IL.
when kit panes such as RV's were registered, but so far I have not been con
tacted by anyone saying I owe sales tax. I think my standard line is going
to be "I bought everything locally at Lowes, Home Depot and Ace, and have a
lready paid the sales tax".
Dan Helsper
Poplar Grove, IL.
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| Subject: | Re: first flight hour of 2011 |
Michael, you're nuts! The next time we get 4-5 inches of snow here in NC
I'll send my share to Ohio.
Chuck
----- Original Message -----
From: "Michael Perez" <speedbrake@sbcglobal.net>
Sent: Saturday, January 29, 2011 10:39 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: first flight hour of 2011
> <speedbrake@sbcglobal.net>
>
> Here in Ohio it has been below freezing for quite a few days. Here at my
> house, we have about 12" of snow on the ground. (Down from about 18" or so
> we got a week or so ago.)Contrary to most,
> I LOVE it! I have a lot more free time in the winter which translates to
> more building time. Forecasts for next week is more snow...BRING IT!
>
> Michael Perez
> Karetaker Aero
> www.karetakeraero.com
>
>
> --- On Sat, 1/29/11, kevinpurtee <kevin.purtee@us.army.mil> wrote:
>
>> From: kevinpurtee <kevin.purtee@us.army.mil>
>> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: first flight hour of 2011
>> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
>> Date: Saturday, January 29, 2011, 8:59 PM
>> --> Pietenpol-List message posted
>> by: "kevinpurtee" <kevin.purtee@us.army.mil>
>>
>> Yeah, I wish I was there, too!
>>
>> Nice post, Oscar. Thanks.
>>
>> do not archive
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>> Kevin "Axel" Purtee
>> NX899KP
>> Austin/Georgetown, TX
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>> Read this topic online here:
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>> Email Forum -
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>> Dralle, List Admin.
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Hey Mat, congratulations on finishing!!
You've accomplished something very few have, and I'm sure the next chapters
will be glorious.
Douwe
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| Subject: | Re: first flight hour of 2011 |
It was also a beautiful day here in west TN,temps right around 60 degrees,I
went to the hangar to make sure no mice or squirrels had built nests in
any part of the piet when my 8 year old grandson called and wanted to fly. so
we spent close to 3 hours in the air just hopping around to some
neighboring airports and friends strips .great way to spend a January day.
Randy Bush
NX294RB
do not archive
{ Miss Le Bec }
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| Subject: | Re: first flight hour of 2011 |
I can state with some authority that Michael is in the minority position among
Ohioans on this topic.
Right now, many of us are borderline nuts from not having seen the sun in several
weeks. This psychosis will progress to the point where, in a month or so,
those who can will stampede south, like a herd of lemmings, to some warm, sunny
environment that includes a beach. There, they will lose all sense of caution
and proceed to acquire coloration patterns akin to boiled lobsters (pasty white
on the bottom, red on the back).
Do not archive
Kip Gardner
On Jan 30, 2011, at 8:22 AM, Charles Campbell wrote:
>
> Michael, you're nuts! The next time we get 4-5 inches of snow here in NC I'll
send my share to Ohio.
> Chuck
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Perez" <speedbrake@sbcglobal.net>
> To: <pietenpol-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Saturday, January 29, 2011 10:39 PM
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: first flight hour of 2011
>
>
>>
>> Here in Ohio it has been below freezing for quite a few days. Here at my house,
we have about 12" of snow on the ground. (Down from about 18" or so we got
a week or so ago.)Contrary to most,
>> I LOVE it! I have a lot more free time in the winter which translates to more
building time. Forecasts for next week is more snow...BRING IT!
>>
>> Michael Perez
>> Karetaker Aero
>> www.karetakeraero.com
>>
>>
>> --- On Sat, 1/29/11, kevinpurtee <kevin.purtee@us.army.mil> wrote:
>>
>>> From: kevinpurtee <kevin.purtee@us.army.mil>
>>> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: first flight hour of 2011
>>> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
>>> Date: Saturday, January 29, 2011, 8:59 PM
>>> --> Pietenpol-List message posted
>>> by: "kevinpurtee" <kevin.purtee@us.army.mil>
>>>
>>> Yeah, I wish I was there, too!
>>>
>>> Nice post, Oscar. Thanks.
>>>
>>> do not archive
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>>> Kevin "Axel" Purtee
>>> NX899KP
>>> Austin/Georgetown, TX
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>>> Read this topic online here:
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>>> Email Forum -
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| Subject: | Re: first flight hour of 2011 |
I am so excited about Piets! Oscar flies his Piet beautifully! Like someone
said, I am enjoying the journey working on it as well. Thank you Osacr and
group for all the help so far. Attached are a few pictures of my journey.
My J3 landing gear has an unwanted hole in it--oh boy...John Kuhfahl
On Sat, Jan 29, 2011 at 7:38 PM, Oscar Zuniga <taildrags@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> Between this weekend and one two weeks ago, I logged my first flight hour
> of 2011 in Scout. The flight two weeks ago was a scant two-tenths... I
> went up to test some adjustments we'd made in the engine thrustline
> (good outcome!) but it was quite cold and we had had rain the day before
> so things were still messy. I had to keep carb heat on quite a bit to
> get full power, so conditions were ripe for carb ice and I didn't need to
> be up flying anyway.
>
> Today I put eight tenths on, giving rides to my daughter and her boyfriend.
> John Kuhfahl came out to watch and also helped with prop starting. The
> first flight, with boyfriend Ryan aboard, was surely very close to max
> gross on the airplane and the performance reflected that. We had a high
> overcast and a bit of humidity in the air, and I again needed carb heat
> more than usual so I tried to be wary. Flying with my daughter in the
> front cockpit, about half the passenger weight of Ryan, the airplane was
> back to its usual spriteliness but the engine still wanted carb heat a
> lot. I'm going to have to check the jetting and all the intake spider
> clamps, since the engine seems to be running lean and that's not a good
> thing.
>
> A good time was had by all, decent landings were made by the pilot, and
> we all went home smiling and talking about the afternoon so I guess the
> airplane worked its magic once again. I was pleasantly surprised for a few
> moments while flying my daughter, when I needed to adjust my shoulder
> harness and had to unbuckle both it and the lap belt to mess with them.
> For
> perhaps 10-15 seconds, my hands were off the stick and the airplane not
> only
> stayed mostly straight and level, it actually felt like it would have kept
> doing so if not for the thermals. It's never been this stable before so
> I'm
> glad we made the tweaks that we did: a bit of vertical stabilizer offset,
> some engine down-thrust and offset to the right, and just a tad of aileron
> balance adjustment between starboard and port. It's getting better and
> better.
>
> Pietenpoling in south Texas in
> January. Too chilly aloft for just shirt sleeves, but too warm on the
> ground for jackets or gloves. Wish you were here! ;o)
>
> Oscar Zuniga
> Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
> San Antonio, TX
> website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
>
>
--
John Kuhfahl, Lt Col USAF (Ret),
PresIident, KUHLCOUPER LLC
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| Subject: | Re: A few thoughts as the project winds up |
Very nice airplane Matt and congrats on persevering to completion. My project has
a lot of similarities to yours which I am hoping to complete in the next year
or so and I know what you are saying about cost run overs.
Curious as to engine size and prop selection. You can contact me offline if you
wish.
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Adrian M
Winnipeg, MB
Canada
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| Subject: | Re: first flight hour of 2011 |
No flying for me, but a lot of activity at the airport during an unseasonal mid-70s
day yesterday. Had the hangar doors open and worked on my project for several
hours. Today is a different story... cold and windy with a winter storm
warning posted for the next several days. Gotta take em when you can get em
I guess.
I hope this next storm blows through quickly! Come on spring!
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Mark Chouinard
Wings, Center Section and Empannage framed up - Working on Fuselage
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| Subject: | soaking the cap strips |
Chuck,
When you soak the cap strips did you start out with warm or hot water? I have
read so many things, I was thinking if I just let them soak over-night in tap
water that would suffice. I was going to take some left over six inch pvc pipe,
stand it upright, and fill with water about three feet up. Does the bottom strip
need to be bent at all?
Thanks for the advice.
Joe Swithin
Morris, IL just getting started. doing ribs first.
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| Subject: | Re: soaking the cap strips |
It's just as simple as that. I use cold tap water in piece of PVC and do both
the top and bottom. Works great.
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John
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| Subject: | soaking the cap strips |
Joe,
I only soaked the bottom 16" or so and it has worked fine..course I only
have 24 ribs done.
Gary Boothe
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of JOSEPH
SWITHIN
Sent: Sunday, January 30, 2011 7:56 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: soaking the cap strips
Chuck,
When you soak the cap strips did you start out with warm or hot water? I
have read so many things, I was thinking if I just let them soak over-night
in tap water that would suffice. I was going to take some left over six inch
pvc pipe, stand it upright, and fill with water about three feet up. Does
the bottom strip need to be bent at all?
Thanks for the advice.
Joe Swithin
Morris, IL just getting started. doing ribs first.
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| Subject: | Re: soaking the cap strips |
This is from Chuck Campbell, Soak them in cold water. I put a 2-inch
pvc pipe at about 45-degree angle so I could get the capstrip in and the
ceiling would not get in the way. The lower cap strip does not need to
be prebent. I soaked the top strip over night and then put it in the
prebending jig (a 2 X 8 board cut so that the bend would be greater than
the final bend) overnight. Hope this helps.
----- Original Message -----
From: JOSEPH SWITHIN
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, January 30, 2011 10:56 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: soaking the cap strips
Chuck,
When you soak the cap strips did you start out with warm or hot water?
I have read so many things, I was thinking if I just let them soak
over-night in tap water that would suffice. I was going to take some
left over six inch pvc pipe, stand it upright, and fill with water about
three feet up. Does the bottom strip need to be bent at all?
Thanks for the advice.
Joe Swithin
Morris, IL just getting started. doing ribs first.
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| Subject: | Re: soaking the cap strips |
#3. I'll get it right in a while! That website is
karetaker@karetakeraero.com
----- Original Message -----
From: JOSEPH SWITHIN
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, January 30, 2011 10:56 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: soaking the cap strips
Chuck,
When you soak the cap strips did you start out with warm or hot water?
I have read so many things, I was thinking if I just let them soak
over-night in tap water that would suffice. I was going to take some
left over six inch pvc pipe, stand it upright, and fill with water about
three feet up. Does the bottom strip need to be bent at all?
Thanks for the advice.
Joe Swithin
Morris, IL just getting started. doing ribs first.
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| Subject: | Re: soaking the cap strips |
I did it just as Chuck C. & Gary described.
Thanks,
Chuck
>
>
> Chuck,
> When you soak the cap strips did you start out with warm or hot water? I h
ave read so many things, I was thinking if I just let them soak over-night i
n tap water that would suffice. I was going to take some left over six inch p
vc pipe, stand it upright, and fill with water about three feet up. Does the
bottom strip need to be bent at all?
> Thanks for the advice.
> Joe Swithin
> Morris, IL just getting started. doing ribs first.
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Has anyone done a Piet with a CAM 100 engine? |
As anyone built a CAM 100 Pietenpol? Seems like a good potential choice at 267
lbs including radiator and the high trust line.
Thoughts anyone?
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Perry Shipman
Lakeside, CA
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| Subject: | Re: Has anyone done a Piet with a CAM 100 engine? |
My only thought is, "What's a CAM 100?"
----- Original Message -----
From: "PShipman" <perrytshipman@gmail.com>
Sent: Sunday, January 30, 2011 6:12 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Has anyone done a Piet with a CAM 100 engine?
>
> As anyone built a CAM 100 Pietenpol? Seems like a good potential choice
> at 267 lbs including radiator and the high trust line.
>
> Thoughts anyone?
>
> --------
> Perry Shipman
> Lakeside, CA
>
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> Read this topic online here:
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| Subject: | Re: Has anyone done a Piet with a CAM 100 engine? |
For historical information, I defer to those with more seniority in the Pietenpol
movement but if you are considering late model 4 cylinder car engine conversions,
there are several choices.
Jan Eggenfelner has been doing a truly fine job of converting Subaru engines for
aircraft use and his firewall forward packages for RV's is extremely well engineered
and executed. Last year at Oshkosh, he was showing similar package based
on the Honda Fit engine. Unlike a number of other people that have tried
to do auto engine adaptations (several Mazda rotary and Subaru proponents, now
vanished, come to mind), Jan has stayed with it and actually series produced
some quality products. The engine information is at vikingaircraftengines.com
I have no personal knowledge of the CAM 100 engine but have seen them for a relatively
long period of time at Oshkosh so they are probably in the game for the
long haul also. Might be a worthy FWF package.
Dave
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| Subject: | Re: Has anyone done a Piet with a CAM 100 engine? |
Think I'll stick with the Corvair that I've been reading up on for the last
2 years or so -- cracked cranks notwithstanding.
----- Original Message -----
From: "dgaldrich" <dgaldrich@embarqmail.com>
Sent: Sunday, January 30, 2011 7:47 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Has anyone done a Piet with a CAM 100 engine?
> <dgaldrich@embarqmail.com>
>
> For historical information, I defer to those with more seniority in the
> Pietenpol movement but if you are considering late model 4 cylinder car
> engine conversions, there are several choices.
>
> Jan Eggenfelner has been doing a truly fine job of converting Subaru
> engines for aircraft use and his firewall forward packages for RV's is
> extremely well engineered and executed. Last year at Oshkosh, he was
> showing similar package based on the Honda Fit engine. Unlike a number of
> other people that have tried to do auto engine adaptations (several Mazda
> rotary and Subaru proponents, now vanished, come to mind), Jan has stayed
> with it and actually series produced some quality products. The engine
> information is at vikingaircraftengines.com
>
> I have no personal knowledge of the CAM 100 engine but have seen them for
> a relatively long period of time at Oshkosh so they are probably in the
> game for the long haul also. Might be a worthy FWF package.
>
> Dave
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=329026#329026
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>
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| Subject: | Re: Has anyone done a Piet with a CAM 100 engine? |
Isn't the CAM 100 certificated to be a replacement for the O-200 in Cessna 150
and such aircraft?...If so, why not use it (if cost is not prohibitive).
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| Subject: | Re: Has anyone done a Piet with a CAM 100 engine? |
I belive it it a converted Honda Prelude engine
http://www.firewall.ca/index.html
Michael in Maine
----- Original Message -----
From: "moondogman" <jbciii5656@yahoo.com>
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> Isn't the CAM 100 certificated to be a replacement for the O-200 in Cessna
150 and such aircraft?...If so, why not use it (if cost is not prohibitive).
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| Subject: | Re: Has anyone done a Piet with a CAM 100 engine? |
I believe the Honda Prelude engine (single cam) is correct.
The Viking mentioned above is an interesting choice but is not for the financially
faint of heart. Dimensionally it is about five inches shorter than the CAM
100 but makes up for it by being a 4 inches wider package.
And, at $13,000 and twice the cost of the CAM package, the Rotec R2800 would seem
a very attractive alternative.
As mentioned, the CAM folks have been around since the early 90's and have both
a 100 and 120 hp package at a very reasonable price.
Still ... a Ford looks more original, eh?
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Perry Shipman
Lakeside, CA
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| Subject: | Re: Has anyone done a Piet with a CAM 100 engine? |
It's a 100 hp Honda conversion, engine originally from a Civic or
Accord, I believe. I think the company is based somewhere out West, I
did not know they were still in business.
Kip Gardner
On Jan 30, 2011, at 7:28 PM, Charles Campbell wrote:
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> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Has anyone done a Piet with a CAM 100 engine?
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>> As anyone built a CAM 100 Pietenpol? Seems like a good potential
>> choice at 267 lbs including radiator and the high trust line.
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>> Thoughts anyone?
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| Subject: | Re: Has anyone done a Piet with a CAM 100 engine? |
Well, if you go to the website Micheal provided you
will see that the company is alive and well and has
changed hands due to the original two guys passing
away. They started out in Sidney, BC where I grew up
and now I'm not sure exactly what's happening except
that everything seems to be operated out of Ontario
now.
Remember Jim Malley, His plane has a 98 ci Fiesta
in it. It appears in Mikes video and is on the cover of
Kitplanes, July 1992. This engine is a little smaller
at 91 ci.
Clif
I think the company is based somewhere out West, I
> did not know they were still in business.
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> Kip Gardner
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