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1. 07:03 AM - Build Cost (MPB)
2. 07:17 AM - Pietenpol Air Camper for sale in Michigan (cybrdweeb)
3. 07:48 AM - Re: Has anyone done a Piet with a CAM 100 engine? (Bill Church)
4. 08:15 AM - Re: Build Cost (Rick Holland)
5. 08:46 AM - Re: Build Cost (gboothe5@comcast.net)
6. 09:04 AM - Re: Re: Has anyone done a Piet with a CAM 100 engine? (Rick Holland)
7. 09:11 AM - Re: Build Cost (Kenneth Bickers)
8. 09:14 AM - Re: Build Cost (Dangerous Dave)
9. 09:44 AM - Re: Build Cost (Charles Campbell)
10. 09:44 AM - Re: Build Cost (Michael Perez)
11. 09:44 AM - Re: Build Cost (TOM STINEMETZE)
12. 10:35 AM - Re: Build Cost (Barry Davis)
13. 11:41 AM - Re: Build Cost (Jack Phillips)
14. 12:00 PM - Ernest Kestler paint job?? (shad bell)
15. 12:35 PM - Re: Build Cost (MPB)
16. 12:43 PM - Re: Build Cost (Barry Davis)
17. 12:46 PM - Re: Ernest Kestler paint job?? (Jerry Dotson)
18. 01:36 PM - Re: Re: Ernest Kestler paint job?? (shad bell)
19. 02:11 PM - Re: Ernest Kestler paint job?? (Jack Phillips)
20. 02:53 PM - Re: Ernest Kestler paint job?? (shad bell)
21. 02:55 PM - Re: Build Cost (Rick Holland)
22. 03:17 PM - Re: Build Cost (Isablcorky@aol.com)
23. 03:36 PM - Re: Ernest Kestler paint job?? (airlion)
24. 03:46 PM - Re: Build Cost (airlion)
25. 05:37 PM - Re: Ford Engine Modifications (Pieti Lowell)
26. 05:38 PM - Re: Build Cost (gboothe5@comcast.net)
27. 05:38 PM - Turnbuckles barrels (Dick N)
28. 05:39 PM - Re: Ernest Kestler paint job?? (Rick Holland)
29. 05:54 PM - Re: Ernest Kestler paint job?? (shad bell)
30. 06:27 PM - Re: Build Cost (gliderx5@comcast.net)
31. 06:42 PM - Re: Ernest Kestler paint job?? (gboothe5@comcast.net)
32. 07:17 PM - Hmmm ... need help figuring out AS Fin Kit (PShipman)
33. 10:22 PM - Re: Build Cost (kevinpurtee)
34. 11:45 PM - Re: Re: Has anyone done a Piet with a CAM 100 engine? (Clif Dawson)
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I know I am leaving myself wide open to a bunch of "well it really depends..."
type of responses, but it is still worth asking.
What is the Total Build Cost?
I know this # is all over the place in kit builds so I can only imagine for a scratch
built project. When I bought the plans I heard a lot of $10,000 talk (from
other sources). I figured that was a bit optimistic, but figured maybe $15,000
was realistic. Now I am hearing #'s closer to 25k for the build. This
wouldn't necessarily kill the project, but it may be a cause for reconsideration.
I have a lot of tools and access to even more so that should not be a problem.
This is what I am planning on building...
-steel tube fuselage (looks to be a bit more expensive, but not much)
-0200 or C85 (serviceable, but maybe not a lot of life before TBO left)
-spruce for the wood (ACS sourced)
I appreciate anyone's input. You can contact me off the forum too if you would
rather.
Thanks,
Mike
Prunedale, CA
mike@seatec.us
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| Subject: | Pietenpol Air Camper for sale in Michigan |
Hello- I just bought a Pietenpol at an estate auction and it is now listed on ebay.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=250766510738&viewitem=&sspagename=STRK%3AMESELX%3AIT
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| Subject: | Re: Has anyone done a Piet with a CAM 100 engine? |
Hmmm....
So the CAM100 pricing starts at $8000. The Eggenfelner Honda is $13000. A Corvair
conversion with the fifth bearing is typically going to run close to $8000.
I thought the main reason builders were looking into auto conversions was to lower
costs.
If you NEED 100HP (which most Pietenpol owners actually don't), why not just shop
around for a recently overhauled O-200 or O-235? If you're willing to part
with $8000, you'll be able to find one - guaranteed. Plus, you'll end up with
an airplane that looks like an old airplane AND sounds like an old airplane.
In my opinion, something just isn't right about the sight of a Pietenpol taking
off with an engine screaming at 6000 RPM. I guess it's okay if you plug your
ears.
Bill C.
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I have spent about $7000 airframe/instruments (latex paint) and $8000
engine/prop/fwf (including a Weseman 5th bearing on my crank snappin
corvair).
Still a very inexpensive 2 place airplane.
rick
On Mon, Jan 31, 2011 at 8:01 AM, MPB <mike@seatec.us> wrote:
>
> I know I am leaving myself wide open to a bunch of "well it really
> depends..." type of responses, but it is still worth asking.
>
> What is the Total Build Cost?
>
> I know this # is all over the place in kit builds so I can only imagine for
> a scratch built project. When I bought the plans I heard a lot of $10,000
> talk (from other sources). I figured that was a bit optimistic, but figured
> maybe $15,000 was realistic. Now I am hearing #'s closer to 25k for the
> build. This wouldn't necessarily kill the project, but it may be a cause
> for reconsideration. I have a lot of tools and access to even more so that
> should not be a problem. This is what I am planning on building...
>
> -steel tube fuselage (looks to be a bit more expensive, but not much)
> -0200 or C85 (serviceable, but maybe not a lot of life before TBO left)
> -spruce for the wood (ACS sourced)
>
> I appreciate anyone's input. You can contact me off the forum too if you
> would rather.
>
>
> Thanks,
> Mike
> Prunedale, CA
> mike@seatec.us
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=329073#329073
>
>
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Rick Holland
Castle Rock, Colorado
"Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers, that smell bad"
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| Subject: | Re: Has anyone done a Piet with a CAM 100 engine? |
Some of us just like doing experimental with a capitol 'E'.
rick
On Mon, Jan 31, 2011 at 8:45 AM, Bill Church <billspiet@sympatico.ca> wrote:
> billspiet@sympatico.ca>
>
> Hmmm....
> So the CAM100 pricing starts at $8000. The Eggenfelner Honda is $13000. A
> Corvair conversion with the fifth bearing is typically going to run close to
> $8000.
> I thought the main reason builders were looking into auto conversions was
> to lower costs.
> If you NEED 100HP (which most Pietenpol owners actually don't), why not
> just shop around for a recently overhauled O-200 or O-235? If you're willing
> to part with $8000, you'll be able to find one - guaranteed. Plus, you'll
> end up with an airplane that looks like an old airplane AND sounds like an
> old airplane.
> In my opinion, something just isn't right about the sight of a Pietenpol
> taking off with an engine screaming at 6000 RPM. I guess it's okay if you
> plug your ears.
>
> Bill C.
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=329075#329075
>
>
--
Rick Holland
Castle Rock, Colorado
"Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers, that smell bad"
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All,
I know I'm foregoing bragging rights when the project is finally completed,
and
maybe starting an argument in the near term, but I steadfastly refuse to
count hours
or track total costs. I'm having fun building. Why else do it?
The costs are modest on a weekly or montly basis. They fit within our
household budget.
So I don't particularly care what the grand total is or will be. I'm like
that with my kids, too.
I figure I know more or less what they are costing weekly or monthly. I'd
have a heart attack if
I knew what they've cost in total.
Others may want to know or need to know. But for me, the Pietenpol is
cheap, fun, and
a wonderful learning experience. It is also my analog to a Jethro Gibbs
boat project
(a reference to the NCIS series). It is my diversion from stresses of work
and the real world.
Cheers, Ken
On Mon, Jan 31, 2011 at 9:32 AM, <gboothe5@comcast.net> wrote:
> Mike,
>
> I use a program to track expense and build time, and believe both to be
> fairly accurate. Currently I am at about $8,200 for airframe, with the
> expense left for fabric and paint...should be under $10,000. Engine is
> another $3,000 + an upcoming expense for 5th bearing. No radios. Total
> should be under $15,000.
>
> Gary Boothe
>
> Sent on the Sprint=AE Now Network from my BlackBerry=AE
> ------------------------------
> *From: *Rick Holland <at7000ft@gmail.com>
> *Sender: *owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
> *Date: *Mon, 31 Jan 2011 09:07:44 -0700
> *To: *<pietenpol-list@matronics.com>
> *ReplyTo: *pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> *Subject: *Re: Pietenpol-List: Build Cost
>
> I have spent about $7000- airframe/instruments (latex paint) and $800
0
> en= gine/prop/fwf (including a Weseman 5th bearing on my crank snappin
> corvair)= .
>
>
> Still a very inexpensive 2 place airplane.
>
> rick
>
> On Mon, Jan 31, 2011 at 8:01 AM, MPB <mike@seatec.us> wrote:
>
>
> I know I am leaving myself wide open to a bunch of "well it really dep
> ends..." type of responses, but it is still worth asking.
>
>
> What is the Total Build Cost?
>
> I know this # is all over the place in kit builds so I can only imagine
> for= a scratch built project. -When I bought the plans I heard a lo
t of
> $10,0= 00 talk (from other sources). -I figured that was a bit opti
mistic,
> but f= igured maybe $15,000 was realistic. -Now I am hearing #'s cl
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> 2= 5k for the build. -This wouldn't necessarily kill the project, b
ut it
> may be a cause for reconsideration. -I have a lot of tools and access
to
> even more so that should not be a problem. -This is what I am plannin
g o
> n building...
>
>
> -steel tube fuselage (looks to be a bit more expensive, but not much)
> -0200 or C85 (serviceable, but maybe not a lot of life before TBO left)
> -spruce for the wood (ACS sourced)
>
> I appreciate anyone's input. -You can contact me off the forum too if
> you would rather.
>
>
> Thanks,
> Mike
> Prunedale, CA
> mike@seatec.us
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=3D329073#329073<= /a>
>
>
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> --
> Rick Holland
> Castle = Rock, Colorado
>
> "Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers, that smell= bad"
>
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Mike,I am building mine,close to done and 99.9% of what I need,with a Lycoming
O 235 and all FAA-PMA certified parts and am right around 25,000.I rebuilt the
235 and also bought a new Sensenich aluminum prop.Didn't spare any expense and
there about 2000.00 worth of tools and probably 1500 worth of stuff I didn't
use so in reality 21500 give or take.Full panel,no radios,tundra tires,ELT etc.dave
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I haven't finished yet so am really figuring on estimated costs. I think I
figured once that, discounting the FWFD, the cost in materials for the
airframe would run close to $4500. I think the big thing that would make
the difference is whether you use sitka spruce or a locally available wood
like poplar or douglas fir. OK you guys who have finished, am I pretty
close?
----- Original Message -----
From: "MPB" <mike@seatec.us>
Sent: Monday, January 31, 2011 10:01 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Build Cost
>
> I know I am leaving myself wide open to a bunch of "well it really
> depends..." type of responses, but it is still worth asking.
>
> What is the Total Build Cost?
>
> I know this # is all over the place in kit builds so I can only imagine
> for a scratch built project. When I bought the plans I heard a lot of
> $10,000 talk (from other sources). I figured that was a bit optimistic,
> but figured maybe $15,000 was realistic. Now I am hearing #'s closer to
> 25k for the build. This wouldn't necessarily kill the project, but it may
> be a cause for reconsideration. I have a lot of tools and access to even
> more so that should not be a problem. This is what I am planning on
> building...
>
> -steel tube fuselage (looks to be a bit more expensive, but not much)
> -0200 or C85 (serviceable, but maybe not a lot of life before TBO left)
> -spruce for the wood (ACS sourced)
>
> I appreciate anyone's input. You can contact me off the forum too if you
> would rather.
>
>
> Thanks,
> Mike
> Prunedale, CA
> mike@seatec.us
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=329073#329073
>
>
>
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I believe that $15,000 to be a good estimate. IF...you have the tools/skill/time
to do your own work. Paying someone/place to do welding, cutting, painting,
etc. will drive the price up. Sounds like you have the tools or have access to
them, so I assume you have the skills as well. I bet you can build for right
around that $15,000 number.
Keep us posted on your decision!
Michael Perez
Karetaker Aero
www.karetakeraero.com
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AMEN Brother! Preach it.
Stinemetze
do not archive
>>> Kenneth Bickers <bickers.ken@gmail.com> 1/31/2011 11:07 AM >>>
Others may want to know or need to know. But for me, the Pietenpol is
cheap, fun, and
a wonderful learning experience. It is also my analog to a Jethro Gibbs
boat project
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On building 6 Big Piets, we each put $200 per month into a joint bank
account. We had one guy drop out just before we started covering, but we
covered and painted his plane anyway, so the cost will be the same. (we did
not draw a serial number till we started painting, so the 6 were identical
up to this point and we did not know which one would be whose) We have steel
fuselages and tail feathers with wood wings. We used the WW corvair
conversion with MA3spa carbs and Culver props. We completed and flew the 5
Big Piets in 6 years and 6 months from start to finish. We are around $16K
for each plane. We were able to buy in bulk and Aircraft Spruce gave us deep
discounts on all our orders, on the down side, A/S East is only 30 miles
away from us, so we had to pay Sales Tax on most our orders. We did put a
lot of fancy stuff (heavy) in the planes so we probably spent a lot more
than a very basic Piet. Oh yeah, we used the $tewart $ystem for paint ;-)
Barry Davis
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of MPB
Sent: Monday, January 31, 2011 10:01 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Build Cost
I know I am leaving myself wide open to a bunch of "well it really
depends..." type of responses, but it is still worth asking.
What is the Total Build Cost?
I know this # is all over the place in kit builds so I can only imagine for
a scratch built project. When I bought the plans I heard a lot of $10,000
talk (from other sources). I figured that was a bit optimistic, but figured
maybe $15,000 was realistic. Now I am hearing #'s closer to 25k for the
build. This wouldn't necessarily kill the project, but it may be a cause
for reconsideration. I have a lot of tools and access to even more so that
should not be a problem. This is what I am planning on building...
-steel tube fuselage (looks to be a bit more expensive, but not much) -0200
or C85 (serviceable, but maybe not a lot of life before TBO left) -spruce
for the wood (ACS sourced)
I appreciate anyone's input. You can contact me off the forum too if you
would rather.
Thanks,
Mike
Prunedale, CA
mike@seatec.us
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You're right, Mike. It depends. But not much.
Mine is a long fuselage, straight axle with wire wheels, A65 Continental,
with comm radio, mode C transponder and intercom. Stits Polyfiber fabric
with polyurethane paint. Aircraft grade materials throughout. Total cost -
just under $15,000, of which the engine was $7500 (which included buying the
core, new Millenium cylinders, crankcase overhauled by Divco, crankshaft and
connecting rods overhauled by Aircraft Specialties and new Slick magnetos).
Counteracting some of the expensive stuff was a lot of scrounging and buying
stuff on ebay. For example, I have a locking Bendix ignition switch
(normally about $50 from AS&S) that I got for $1.00 on ebay. Tailwheel was
$20 on ebay. Radio I got for $100 from a local avionics shop, transponder
(again ebay) for $300. Turn & Bank I bought at OSH for $22 (it works).
Cleveland brakes, $100 on ebay. Instruments like airspeed and altimeter
were gifts (people would ask what I wanted for Christmas so I told them to
all go in together and get me an altimeter).
I made a long list of parts and instruments I was going to need and part of
my morning routine became looking through ebay's aviation parts category,
just looking at the auctions that would end that day. If I saw something I
needed at a good price, I bid on it. Bought a lot of good stuff that way,
and only a few items that were junk.
Looking at the responses you've gotten, it looks like $15K is about average.
Unfortunately, when you go to sell your Pietenpol, it will bring about $15K.
So your time is worth nothing. But it sure is fun.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP "Icarus Plummet"
Raleigh, NC
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of MPB
Sent: Monday, January 31, 2011 10:01 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Build Cost
I know I am leaving myself wide open to a bunch of "well it really
depends..." type of responses, but it is still worth asking.
What is the Total Build Cost?
I know this # is all over the place in kit builds so I can only imagine for
a scratch built project. When I bought the plans I heard a lot of $10,000
talk (from other sources). I figured that was a bit optimistic, but figured
maybe $15,000 was realistic. Now I am hearing #'s closer to 25k for the
build. This wouldn't necessarily kill the project, but it may be a cause
for reconsideration. I have a lot of tools and access to even more so that
should not be a problem. This is what I am planning on building...
-steel tube fuselage (looks to be a bit more expensive, but not much)
-0200 or C85 (serviceable, but maybe not a lot of life before TBO left)
-spruce for the wood (ACS sourced)
I appreciate anyone's input. You can contact me off the forum too if you
would rather.
Thanks,
Mike
Prunedale, CA
mike@seatec.us
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| Subject: | Ernest Kestler paint job?? |
Here a couple pics of my Jungmeister project, Ernest Kestler paint job migh
t fit it perfectly, I just have to watch out for you Waldo's and Axle's.
-
Shad=0A=0A=0A
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I am good with the 15k dollar value with 15k invested. I am doing it for the enjoyment
of the project as both Jack and Ken suggested. I was just hoping that
I wouldn't have 25k invested with a 15k dollar value...not that there is anything
wrong with those doing that. If you have the money to spend building it
the way you want I say go go for it. I am kind of frugal guy though...
I have a shop full of old AN hardware misc parts and even some old instruments
that can help keep the build costs down. I also plan on doing everything myself
(or my building partner) from welding to paint to engine rebuild. (we'll see
how the engine rebuild goes...) Thanks for all the feedback. The couple questions
I have asked here have brought back a wealth of practical knowledge that
encourages new builders and pilots. I am a 30 year old inactive pilot looking
to get back into it and my building buddy is a 29 year old aspiring pilot.
A good community like this one is good for aviations future. Keep it up!
Thanks,
Mike
Prunedale, CA
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Mike
I have to Agree with Jack, it's all free labor, but what a labor of love. I
would not take anything for the experience of building these airplanes with
the guys. We were all friends before the project, but now 5 of us are
"family"
Barry Davis
NX973BP
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jack
Phillips
Sent: Monday, January 31, 2011 2:36 PM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Build Cost
--> <pietflyr@bellsouth.net>
You're right, Mike. It depends. But not much.
Mine is a long fuselage, straight axle with wire wheels, A65 Continental,
with comm radio, mode C transponder and intercom. Stits Polyfiber fabric
with polyurethane paint. Aircraft grade materials throughout. Total cost -
just under $15,000, of which the engine was $7500 (which included buying the
core, new Millenium cylinders, crankcase overhauled by Divco, crankshaft and
connecting rods overhauled by Aircraft Specialties and new Slick magnetos).
Counteracting some of the expensive stuff was a lot of scrounging and buying
stuff on ebay. For example, I have a locking Bendix ignition switch
(normally about $50 from AS&S) that I got for $1.00 on ebay. Tailwheel was
$20 on ebay. Radio I got for $100 from a local avionics shop, transponder
(again ebay) for $300. Turn & Bank I bought at OSH for $22 (it works).
Cleveland brakes, $100 on ebay. Instruments like airspeed and altimeter
were gifts (people would ask what I wanted for Christmas so I told them to
all go in together and get me an altimeter).
I made a long list of parts and instruments I was going to need and part of
my morning routine became looking through ebay's aviation parts category,
just looking at the auctions that would end that day. If I saw something I
needed at a good price, I bid on it. Bought a lot of good stuff that way,
and only a few items that were junk.
Looking at the responses you've gotten, it looks like $15K is about average.
Unfortunately, when you go to sell your Pietenpol, it will bring about $15K.
So your time is worth nothing. But it sure is fun.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP "Icarus Plummet"
Raleigh, NC
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of MPB
Sent: Monday, January 31, 2011 10:01 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Build Cost
I know I am leaving myself wide open to a bunch of "well it really
depends..." type of responses, but it is still worth asking.
What is the Total Build Cost?
I know this # is all over the place in kit builds so I can only imagine for
a scratch built project. When I bought the plans I heard a lot of $10,000
talk (from other sources). I figured that was a bit optimistic, but figured
maybe $15,000 was realistic. Now I am hearing #'s closer to 25k for the
build. This wouldn't necessarily kill the project, but it may be a cause
for reconsideration. I have a lot of tools and access to even more so that
should not be a problem. This is what I am planning on building...
-steel tube fuselage (looks to be a bit more expensive, but not much) -0200
or C85 (serviceable, but maybe not a lot of life before TBO left) -spruce
for the wood (ACS sourced)
I appreciate anyone's input. You can contact me off the forum too if you
would rather.
Thanks,
Mike
Prunedale, CA
mike@seatec.us
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| Subject: | Re: Ernest Kestler paint job?? |
Shad are you gonna use a round engine? An old Kinner with the little L shape
exhaust stacks would sound good on it.
--------
Jerry Dotson
59 Daniel Johnson Rd
Baker, FL 32531
Started building NX510JD July, 2009
wing, tailfeathers done, fuselage rolling
using Lycoming O-235
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| Subject: | Re: Ernest Kestler paint job?? |
No, I will be putt'in a Lyc 0-235, it won't be a comfortable ride, even les
s so than an aircamper, But if I get her done, Dad can fly the piet to Brod
head, and I'll fly the Jungster.- I will probably be 40 mph or so faster,
so I can zoom ahead and get out and stretch between fuel stops.- I just
hope no one takes my wheel nuts off before I take off.
-
Shad
--- On Mon, 1/31/11, Jerry Dotson <jdotson@centurylink.net> wrote:
From: Jerry Dotson <jdotson@centurylink.net>
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Ernest Kestler paint job??
et>
Shad are you gonna use a round engine? An old Kinner with the little L shap
e
exhaust stacks would sound good on it.
--------
Jerry Dotson
59 Daniel Johnson Rd
Baker, FL 32531
Started building- NX510JD- July, 2009
wing, tailfeathers done, fuselage rolling
using Lycoming O-235
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| Subject: | Ernest Kestler paint job?? |
Cool, Shad! I had no idea you were restoring a Jungmeister. Where did
you
get it?
I spent some time in the early =9180=92s helping restore a B=FCcker
Jungmann.
Strange ribstitching those Germans did=85
Jack Phillips
NX899JP =93Icarus Plummet=94
Raleigh, NC
_____
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of shad
bell
Sent: Monday, January 31, 2011 2:55 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Ernest Kestler paint job??
Here a couple pics of my Jungmeister project, Ernest Kestler paint job
might
fit it perfectly, I just have to watch out for you Waldo's and Axle's.
Shad
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| Subject: | Ernest Kestler paint job?? |
Actually Jack it is a replica, all wood Jungster 1.=C2- It is a 8/10 scal
e "kinda look alike" design from the 60's.=C2- They used to advertise the
plans in the old 60's-70's aviation magazines.=C2- Google search "Jungst
er 1" and you can find many nice examples that were built through the years
.=C2- Its about the size of an eaa bipe, or smith miniplane, +9, -6g's.
=C2-
Shad
--- On Mon, 1/31/11, Jack Phillips <pietflyr@bellsouth.net> wrote:
From: Jack Phillips <pietflyr@bellsouth.net>
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Ernest Kestler paint job??
Cool, Shad!=C2- I had no idea you were restoring a Jungmeister.=C2- Whe
re did you get it?
=C2-
I spent some time in the early =9880=99s helping restore a B=C3
=BCcker Jungmann.=C2- Strange ribstitching those Germans did
=C2-
Jack Phillips
NX899JP=C2- =9CIcarus Plummet=9D
Raleigh, NC
=C2-
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-lis
t-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of shad bell
Sent: Monday, January 31, 2011 2:55 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Ernest Kestler paint job??
=C2-
Here a couple pics of my Jungmeister project, Ernest Kestler paint job migh
t fit it perfectly, I just have to watch out for you Waldo's and Axle's.
=C2-
Shad
=C2-
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Totally agree Ken, I have never tracked hours (reminds me of punching a tim
e
clock back when I was waiting tables in college), and my cost calculations
are very rough. I do know that I am spending about as little as possible to
have a viable 2 place airplane that can get off of a 7000 ft altitude
runway.
rick
On Mon, Jan 31, 2011 at 10:07 AM, Kenneth Bickers <bickers.ken@gmail.com>wr
ote:
> All,
>
> I know I'm foregoing bragging rights when the project is finally complete
d,
> and
> maybe starting an argument in the near term, but I steadfastly refuse to
> count hours
> or track total costs. I'm having fun building. Why else do it?
>
> The costs are modest on a weekly or montly basis. They fit within our
> household budget.
> So I don't particularly care what the grand total is or will be. I'm lik
e
> that with my kids, too.
> I figure I know more or less what they are costing weekly or monthly. I'
d
> have a heart attack if
> I knew what they've cost in total.
>
> Others may want to know or need to know. But for me, the Pietenpol is
> cheap, fun, and
> a wonderful learning experience. It is also my analog to a Jethro Gibbs
> boat project
> (a reference to the NCIS series). It is my diversion from stresses of wor
k
> and the real world.
>
> Cheers, Ken
>
> On Mon, Jan 31, 2011 at 9:32 AM, <gboothe5@comcast.net> wrote:
>
>> Mike,
>>
>> I use a program to track expense and build time, and believe both to be
>> fairly accurate. Currently I am at about $8,200 for airframe, with the
>> expense left for fabric and paint...should be under $10,000. Engine is
>> another $3,000 + an upcoming expense for 5th bearing. No radios. Total
>> should be under $15,000.
>>
>> Gary Boothe
>>
>> Sent on the Sprint=AE Now Network from my BlackBerry=AE
>> ------------------------------
>> *From: *Rick Holland <at7000ft@gmail.com>
>> *Sender: *owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
>> *Date: *Mon, 31 Jan 2011 09:07:44 -0700
>> *To: *<pietenpol-list@matronics.com>
>> *ReplyTo: *pietenpol-list@matronics.com
>> *Subject: *Re: Pietenpol-List: Build Cost
>>
>> I have spent about $7000- airframe/instruments (latex paint) and $80
00
>> en= gine/prop/fwf (including a Weseman 5th bearing on my crank snappin
>> corvair)= .
>>
>>
>> Still a very inexpensive 2 place airplane.
>>
>> rick
>>
>> On Mon, Jan 31, 2011 at 8:01 AM, MPB <mike@seatec.us> wrote:
>>
>>
>> I know I am leaving myself wide open to a bunch of "well it really dep
>> ends..." type of responses, but it is still worth asking.
>>
>>
>> What is the Total Build Cost?
>>
>> I know this # is all over the place in kit builds so I can only imagine
>> for= a scratch built project. -When I bought the plans I heard a l
ot of
>> $10,0= 00 talk (from other sources). -I figured that was a bit opt
imistic,
>> but f= igured maybe $15,000 was realistic. -Now I am hearing #'s c
loser to
>> 2= 5k for the build. -This wouldn't necessarily kill the project,
but it
>> may be a cause for reconsideration. -I have a lot of tools and acces
s to
>> even more so that should not be a problem. -This is what I am planni
ng o
>> n building...
>>
>>
>> -steel tube fuselage (looks to be a bit more expensive, but not much)
>> -0200 or C85 (serviceable, but maybe not a lot of life before TBO left)
>> -spruce for the wood (ACS sourced)
>>
>> I appreciate anyone's input. -You can contact me off the forum too i
f
>> you would rather.
>>
>>
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Mike
>> Prunedale, CA
>> mike@seatec.us
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Read this topic online here:
>>
>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=3D329073#329073<= /a>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
>> st" target=3D"_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-Lis
t
>> =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
>> http://forums.matronics.com
>> =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
>> le, List Admin.
>> =3D"_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution
>> =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Rick Holland
>> Castle = Rock, Colorado
>>
>> "Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers, that smell= bad"
>>
>> *
>>
>> 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
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Rick Holland
Castle Rock, Colorado
"Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers, that smell bad"
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Pieters,
For what it might be worth.
One night a long time ago I was having a difficult time falling asleep. I
got up and started downstairs when the wife asked where and why. I replied
that I intended to run a tape on all Piet invoices. In her sweet way she
softly said why not let them alone in the drawer and enjoy building. I did as
she suggested and actually finished and flew my Piet and never worried
about cost.
Corky and Isabelle
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| Subject: | Ernest Kestler paint job?? |
Hi Shad,=C2- aren't you a little old to be pulling those kind of g's? TEE
HEE Gardiner.
--- On Mon, 1/31/11, shad bell <aviatorbell@yahoo.com> wrote:
From: shad bell <aviatorbell@yahoo.com>
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Ernest Kestler paint job??
Actually Jack it is a replica, all wood Jungster 1.=C2- It is a 8/10 scal
e "kinda look alike" design from the 60's.=C2- They used to advertise the
plans in the old 60's-70's aviation magazines.=C2- Google search "Jungst
er 1" and you can find many nice examples that were built through the years
.=C2- Its about the size of an eaa bipe, or smith miniplane, +9, -6g's.
=0A=C2-=0AShad
--- On Mon, 1/31/11, Jack Phillips <pietflyr@bellsouth.net> wrote:
=0A
From: Jack Phillips <pietflyr@bellsouth.net>
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Ernest Kestler paint job??
=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0ACool, Shad!=C2- I had no idea you were restoring a J
ungmeister.=C2- Where did you get it?=0A=C2-=0AI spent some time in the
early =9880=99s helping restore a B=C3=BCcker Jungmann.=C2-
Strange ribstitching those Germans did=0A=C2-=0AJack Phillips=0A
NX899JP=C2- =9CIcarus Plummet=9D=0ARaleigh, NC=0A=C2-=0A=0A
=0A=0A=0AFrom: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-piet
enpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of shad bell
Sent: Monday, January 31, 2011 2:55 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Ernest Kestler paint job??=0A=C2-=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A
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Here a couple pics of my Jungmeister project, Ernest Kestler paint job migh
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I have so many receipts that I don't even want to think about adding them u
p. Plus a lot of the expenses are for replacements for what I $$$$$$ up.-
------ Gardiner - Plane flies great and I enjoy it.
--- On Mon, 1/31/11, Isablcorky@aol.com <Isablcorky@aol.com> wrote:
From: Isablcorky@aol.com <Isablcorky@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Build Cost
=0A=0A =0A=0APieters,=0A-=0AFor what it might be worth.=0A-=0AOne night
a long time ago I was having a difficult time falling asleep. I =0Agot up
and started downstairs when the wife asked where and why. I replied that
=0AI intended to run a tape on all Piet invoices. In her sweet way she soft
ly said =0Awhy not let them alone in the drawer and enjoy building. I did a
s she suggested =0Aand actually finished and flew my Piet and never worried
about cost.=0A-=0ACorky and Isabelle=0A
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| Subject: | Re: Ford Engine Modifications |
Ron Kelly's tests got me trying his stuff and it worked for me, also the rod tricks,cam
head all ad to big dependable HP.
Douwe, tried some of his ideas also.
The ultimate would be the the " Donivan " D , Looks like a Ford but don't kid yourself,
who wants to fly with a look a like that will scare you . Plus it will
run in excess of $25, 000,00. Al cast block for racing 500 plus at 8,000, detuned
will still run 150 at aircraft RPMs.
Pieti Lowell
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| Subject: | Turnbuckles barrels |
I just received a flyer from Wag aero. On page 21 there are turnbuckle
barrels listed at $2.00 each. That is a great price for anybone who is
at that stage of construction. For the other parts of the turnbuckle
assy I have seen them at Sun n Fun at B& B and other parts places
cheaper.
Grab while they are there.
Dick N.
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| Subject: | Re: Ernest Kestler paint job?? |
Wow, an 18" wide fuselage, definitely designed before "supersized" meals
were invented. It is beautiful.
rick
On Mon, Jan 31, 2011 at 3:30 PM, shad bell <aviatorbell@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Actually Jack it is a replica, all wood Jungster 1. It is a 8/10 scale
> "kinda look alike" design from the 60's. They used to advertise the plan
s
> in the old 60's-70's aviation magazines. Google search "Jungster 1" and
you
> can find many nice examples that were built through the years. Its about
> the size of an eaa bipe, or smith miniplane, +9, -6g's.
>
> Shad
>
> --- On *Mon, 1/31/11, Jack Phillips <pietflyr@bellsouth.net>* wrote:
>
>
> From: Jack Phillips <pietflyr@bellsouth.net>
> Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Ernest Kestler paint job??
>
> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> Date: Monday, January 31, 2011, 5:07 PM
>
>
> Cool, Shad! I had no idea you were restoring a Jungmeister. Where did
> you get it?
>
>
> I spent some time in the early =9180=92s helping restore a B=FCcker Jungm
ann.
> Strange ribstitching those Germans did=85
>
>
> Jack Phillips
>
> NX899JP =93Icarus Plummet=94
>
> Raleigh, NC
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> *From:* owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:
> owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *shad bell
> *Sent:* Monday, January 31, 2011 2:55 PM
> *To:* pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> *Subject:* Pietenpol-List: Ernest Kestler paint job??
>
>
> Here a couple pics of my Jungmeister project, Ernest Kestler paint job
> might fit it perfectly, I just have to watch out for you Waldo's and Axle
's.
>
>
> Shad
>
>
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"Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers, that smell bad"
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| Subject: | Ernest Kestler paint job?? |
I'll be 33 in March, with 2 boys, the oldest is 2, I feel 10 years older th
an I did 3 years ago.- Now, when and if I get this thing done, I worry ab
out coming home from work here in about 10-15 years and finding the hangar
door up and no Pietenpol, or Jungster in sight.- I guess Dad's Pietenpol
is going to be their primary trainer.- Because it has a Corvair, they wil
l be the best at the "Bob Hoover" dead stick energy management approaches.
- The Jungster will probably be one anvil of a glider so I will have to f
ind a McDonald's Poster Boy to fly in the front pit of the piet to get read
y to fly the Jungster.-
-
Hope to see you all this year at Brodhead this year in the piet, maybe 3 ye
ars in my Jungster,
-
Shad
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I should be in the $7,000 range for everything, but that is with a lot of scrounging.
Douglas Fir from 2x4s, $150 Corvair rebuilt without nitride crank or 5th
bearing, latex paint, used instruments, etc. It takes a lot longer, but for
me it's all part of the adventure. To each his own. What ever path you choose
for building a Piet will still be a bargain for a 2 place fun flyer.
Malcolm Morrison
http://home.comcast.net/~mmorrison123/
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Build Cost
I know I am leaving myself wide open to a bunch of "well it really depends..."
type of responses, but it is still worth asking.
What is the Total Build Cost?
I know this # is all over the place in kit builds so I can only imagine for a scratch
built project. When I bought the plans I heard a lot of $10,000 talk (from
other sources). I figured that was a bit optimistic, but figured maybe $15,000
was realistic. Now I am hearing #'s closer to 25k for the build. This wouldn't
necessarily kill the project, but it may be a cause for reconsideration.
I have a lot of tools and access to even more so that should not be a problem.
This is what I am planning on building...
-steel tube fuselage (looks to be a bit more expensive, but not much)
-0200 or C85 (serviceable, but maybe not a lot of life before TBO left)
-spruce for the wood (ACS sourced)
I appreciate anyone's input. You can contact me off the forum too if you would
rather.
Thanks,
Mike
Prunedale, CA
mike@seatec.us
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| Subject: | Hmmm ... need help figuring out AS Fin Kit |
So Dave and I have the wood and glue for the tail feathers and are sitting here
right now trying to lay out the fin.
Need help with a few (to say the least) discrepancies.
First ... AS lists the wood necessary for building the fin and rudder as follows:
Link to Fin Kit Parts List.
The kit listed is (obviously??) wrong in that it lists no 1 x 1 spruce for the
main beam(s).
BUT ... the kit only includes 4 foot of 1 x 1 spruce and and, if we understand
the drawings correctly, we need about 7 feet of 1 x 1. The kit does include 15
foot of 3/4 x 1 spruce.
Finally ... the kit does NOT include any 3/16 x 1/2 capstrip ... are we correct
in presuming that AS really puts that in the HS and rudder kit?
And one last question ... it is unclear as to what is inserted at the top of the
fin between the two 1/16 inch gussets ... recommendations?
Having lots of fun using our old brains!
Thanks
Perry ... who is letting Dave the Engineer lay out the wood and meditate on it!
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Perry Shipman
Lakeside, CA
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Costs of the hobby so far, including tools, mistakes, shipping, an abandoned project,
etc: ~25k
Cost of the actual airplane: probably 15-18k
The sound of my beloved corvair snapping a crank as it swallows an exhaust valve:
priceless.
(Sorry. You are my friends and deserve better.)
do not archive, ever, please
Kevin
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Kevin "Axel" Purtee
NX899KP
Austin/Georgetown, TX
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| Subject: | Re: Has anyone done a Piet with a CAM 100 engine? |
Sounds too much like "The Little Engine That Could"
I can make it! I can make it! I can make it! at 6000 rpm. :-)
Maybe I should find an old Easthope one lunger. Those things
shoved those double ender 32' fish boats at a hell of a rate.
All the while lazily going "chucka-pah, chucka-pah, chucka-
pa. Now wouldn't that sound great in a Piet!
As far as this cost thing goes, over the last ten years it's
cost me the equivalent of a dinner out for two every
month.
Clif
you'll end up with an airplane that looks like an old airplane AND sounds
like an old airplane.
something just isn't right about the sight of a Pietenpol taking off with an
engine screaming at 6000 RPM. >
> Bill C.
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