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1. 04:36 AM - Piet Directory (Jack)
2. 06:56 AM - Re: leading edge plywood (Jim Markle)
3. 07:04 AM - Wing Strut Fitting Angle (Larry Morlock)
4. 07:05 AM - Re: Piet Directory (Gene Rambo)
5. 07:24 AM - Re: Wing Strut Fitting Angle (Jack Phillips)
6. 07:39 AM - Re: Wing Strut Fitting Angle (Gboothe5)
7. 07:49 AM - Re: Piet Directory (Charles Campbell)
8. 07:49 AM - Re: Wing Strut Fitting Angle (Gboothe5)
9. 08:11 AM - Re: Piet Directory (gtche98)
10. 08:25 AM - Re: Wing Strut Fitting Angle (Chris)
11. 08:30 AM - Re: Piet Directory (bamabuilder)
12. 08:34 AM - Re: Re: Covering Processes (Gary Boothe)
13. 08:38 AM - clear doped look (Douwe Blumberg)
14. 08:38 AM - Re: Wing Strut Fitting Angle (Gary Boothe)
15. 08:39 AM - Re: leading edge plywood (Gary Boothe)
16. 08:43 AM - Re: Re: leading edge plywood (Gary Boothe)
17. 08:46 AM - Re: clear doped look (Ken Chambers)
18. 08:53 AM - Re: clear doped look (Rick Holland)
19. 08:53 AM - Re: Re: Covering Processes (Gary Boothe)
20. 08:54 AM - Re: clear doped look (Rick Holland)
21. 09:04 AM - Re: Re: Piet Directory (Jack)
22. 09:19 AM - Re: leading edge plywood (K5YAC)
23. 09:39 AM - Re: Re: Piet Directory (Jack)
24. 09:50 AM - Re: Piet Directory (Ryan Mueller)
25. 10:26 AM - Re: Re: Piet Directory (Charles Campbell)
26. 10:34 AM - Re: Re: Piet Directory (Charles Campbell)
27. 10:41 AM - Re: Re: Piet Directory (Ryan Mueller)
28. 12:24 PM - Re: Re: Re: Piet Directory (Jack)
29. 12:28 PM - carbs (skellytown flyer)
30. 12:34 PM - Re: Re: Piet Directory (Charles Campbell)
31. 12:38 PM - Re: carbs (Ryan Mueller)
32. 12:43 PM - Re: Re: Piet Directory (Charles Campbell)
33. 12:44 PM - Re: Re: Re: Piet Directory (Jack)
34. 12:51 PM - Re: Re: Re: Piet Directory (Ryan Mueller)
35. 12:58 PM - Re: carbs (skellytown flyer)
36. 02:50 PM - Re: Ernest Kestler paint job?? (TriScout)
37. 04:12 PM - Re: Ernest Kestler paint job?? (TriScout)
38. 04:33 PM - Re: Re: leading edge plywood (Gene Rambo)
39. 04:34 PM - Re: Re: Paint discussion ad nauseum (Ray Krause)
40. 04:52 PM - Re: leading edge plywood (K5YAC)
41. 04:54 PM - Re: Re: Piet Directory (Ray Krause)
42. 05:44 PM - Re: Wing Strut Fitting Angle (helspersew@aol.com)
43. 06:01 PM - Re: Re: leading edge plywood (helspersew@aol.com)
44. 06:02 PM - Re: Re: Re: Piet Directory (Jack)
45. 06:31 PM - Re: leading edge plywood (K5YAC)
46. 06:35 PM - Re: Wing Strut Fitting Angle (Jim Markle)
47. 06:46 PM - Re: leading edge plywood (Jim Markle)
48. 08:54 PM - Re: Re: leading edge plywood (Ray Krause)
49. 11:54 PM - Re: Re: leading edge plywood (Clif Dawson)
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Hello all, I just sent the listing to all that have submitted their info.
If you didn't receive the listing and want to be included fill out the
template and return to my home email jack@textors.com.
Thanks,
Jack
Jack Textor
29 SW 58th Drive
Des Moines, IA 50312
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Subject: | leading edge plywood |
I would trade a totally useless (I know your cc isn't actually useless...) piece
of ANYTHING for another chance to spend some time with my Mom...that was neat
that you two did even a small part of it together.
jm
-----Original Message-----
From: TOM MICHELLE BRANT
Sent: Feb 4, 2011 11:30 PM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: leading edge plywood
Thanks for all the replies on the leading edge - I think I can sort it out from
what everyone told me.
Side note in case anyone cares.... I'm working on the center section after hastily
putting it together in July. My mother was dying from cancer at the time
and we were going to build the CC together. She ended up getting too weak too
quick and I kept pushing to get the CC done while she was still here - just
to show her. In my rush, I'm paying for some lack of planning now. It's nothing
beyond repair but it's gonna be a bit of a pain. My father has offered to
help get it completed in honor of my mom.
I'm happy to be back in the game making some progress on the Piet. 3 steps forward
2 steps back I guess.
Tom B.
From: catdesigns@att.net
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: leading edge plywood
Tom
Near the
bottom you will find several pictures of how I did the leading edge
ply.
http://westcoastpiet.com/images/Chris%20Tracy/Wings.htm
If you
look closely you can see I overlapped the plywood onto the leading edge into a
recess I left for it. The leading edge (poplar) was finished to shape after
the plywood was installed.
Chris
Sacramento, Ca
Westcoastpiet.com
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[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of TOM
MICHELLE BRANT
Sent: Thursday, February 03, 2011 6:12 PM
pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Subject: Pietenpol-List: leading edge
plywood
Maybe a stupid question but I can't figure it out (what's that say
about me??)
Where do you start the leading edge plywood from? If
you start from the bottom of the leading edge, how is it held in place while
gluing - are nails used? Or do you start it from the top of the leading
edge and sand it into the curve of the wing? I just don't see anything in
the plans for this.
Thanks,
Tom B.
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Subject: | Wing Strut Fitting Angle |
I need some advice on how to get the angle of the lower wing strut
fittings to match the angle of the wing struts. There are several
discussions on this in the archives, with the consensus being that the
tabs should be bent up 30 degrees, rather than the 20 degrees shown in
the plans.
My fuselage is already covered and now I find that the tabs need to be
bent up further to the required 30 degree angle. I don't see any way to
bend them in place without damage to the fuselage.
So my question is, would it be OK to bolt an additional tab to the
existing tab to get the correct angle? I saw a Pietenpol with such an
arrangement several years ago. It would cause some bending stress on
the existing tabs, but not sure if this would be a problem.
Any experience out there with this problem? Any other suggestions?
Larry Morlock
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can't open it.
Gene
> From: jack@textors.com
> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Piet Directory
> Date: Sat=2C 5 Feb 2011 06:28:42 -0600
>
> Hello all=2C I just sent the listing to all that have submitted their inf
o.
> If you didn't receive the listing and want to be included fill out the
> template and return to my home email jack@textors.com.
> Thanks=2C
> Jack
>
>
> Jack Textor
> 29 SW 58th Drive
> Des Moines=2C IA 50312
> www.textors.com
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>
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Subject: | Wing Strut Fitting Angle |
Larry,
Is it not possible to bend the tabs of your existing fittings? If the bolts
and longerons are strong enough to handle flight and landing loads, I would
think that you could bend the tabs with a correctly designed lever without
damaging the structure.
I would make a lever out of a couple of pieces of substantial angle iron -
maybe 8' long 2" x 2", welded together to make a T section (so you can
apply a load without getting a twist) and weld some sort of receptacle on
the end that can slip over the tab on your fuselage fittings. Have a friend
hold the fuselage down and push up on the lever until you have the desired
result.
Otherwise, your idea of an extra fitting to change the angle can probably be
made to work, but needs to be made so that it applies the load along the
axis of the strut. Can your struts be modified to fit the 20 deg. Angle of
your fittings? I know this would impart some moment to the strut and
fitting, but it probably would not be too severe.
Do you have any pictures of your fitting and the end of your strut?
Jack Phillips
NX899JP "Icarus Plummet"
Raleigh, NC
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[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Larry
Morlock
Sent: Saturday, February 05, 2011 10:02 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Wing Strut Fitting Angle
I need some advice on how to get the angle of the lower wing strut fittings
to match the angle of the wing struts. There are several discussions on
this in the archives, with the consensus being that the tabs should be bent
up 30 degrees, rather than the 20 degrees shown in the plans.
My fuselage is already covered and now I find that the tabs need to be bent
up further to the required 30 degree angle. I don't see any way to bend
them in place without damage to the fuselage.
So my question is, would it be OK to bolt an additional tab to the existing
tab to get the correct angle? I saw a Pietenpol with such an arrangement
several years ago. It would cause some bending stress on the existing tabs,
but not sure if this would be a problem.
Any experience out there with this problem? Any other suggestions?
Larry Morlock
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Subject: | Wing Strut Fitting Angle |
Larry,
Don't know what others did, and I haven't built the wings yet, but I just
measured the angle of the strut, as pictured in the scaled drawing, with a
protractor.should be close enough.
Gary Boothe
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Larry
Morlock
Sent: Saturday, February 05, 2011 7:02 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Wing Strut Fitting Angle
I need some advice on how to get the angle of the lower wing strut fittings
to match the angle of the wing struts. There are several discussions on
this in the archives, with the consensus being that the tabs should be bent
up 30 degrees, rather than the 20 degrees shown in the plans.
My fuselage is already covered and now I find that the tabs need to be bent
up further to the required 30 degree angle. I don't see any way to bend
them in place without damage to the fuselage.
So my question is, would it be OK to bolt an additional tab to the existing
tab to get the correct angle? I saw a Pietenpol with such an arrangement
several years ago. It would cause some bending stress on the existing tabs,
but not sure if this would be a problem.
Any experience out there with this problem? Any other suggestions?
Larry Morlock
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Subject: | Re: Piet Directory |
I can't open it either. I don't have XL on this computer. We went down
this road a few weeks back. Chuck
----- Original Message -----
From: Gene Rambo
To: pietenpol-list
Sent: Saturday, February 05, 2011 10:03 AM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Piet Directory
can't open it.
Gene
> From: jack@textors.com
> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Piet Directory
> Date: Sat, 5 Feb 2011 06:28:42 -0600
>
> Hello all, I just sent the listing to all that have submitted their
info.
> If you didn't receive the listing and want to be included fill out
the
> template and return to my home email jack@textors.com.
> Thanks,
> Jack
>
>
> Jack Textor
> 29 SW 58th Drive
> Des Moines, IA 50312
> www.textors.com
>
>
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Subject: | Wing Strut Fitting Angle |
Sorry, Larry, didn't completely read your post. I would follow Jack's
advice.
Gary Boothe
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gboothe5
Sent: Saturday, February 05, 2011 7:36 AM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Wing Strut Fitting Angle
Larry,
Don't know what others did, and I haven't built the wings yet, but I just
measured the angle of the strut, as pictured in the scaled drawing, with a
protractor.should be close enough.
Gary Boothe
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Larry
Morlock
Sent: Saturday, February 05, 2011 7:02 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Wing Strut Fitting Angle
I need some advice on how to get the angle of the lower wing strut fittings
to match the angle of the wing struts. There are several discussions on
this in the archives, with the consensus being that the tabs should be bent
up 30 degrees, rather than the 20 degrees shown in the plans.
My fuselage is already covered and now I find that the tabs need to be bent
up further to the required 30 degree angle. I don't see any way to bend
them in place without damage to the fuselage.
So my question is, would it be OK to bolt an additional tab to the existing
tab to get the correct angle? I saw a Pietenpol with such an arrangement
several years ago. It would cause some bending stress on the existing tabs,
but not sure if this would be a problem.
Any experience out there with this problem? Any other suggestions?
Larry Morlock
http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List
http://forums.matronics.com
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
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Subject: | Re: Piet Directory |
Thanks again Jack for taking the time to put this together, and then keep it updated.
That is the hardest part.
What a great resource!
Do not archive
--------
Gary Wilson
Greenville Wisconsin
gtche98 (at) gmail ((dot)) com
Planning Phase
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Subject: | Wing Strut Fitting Angle |
Larry
A Piet near where Gary Boothe lives had the same problem because they raised
the wing. You can see in the picture in the following link that they
machined an aluminum fitting to bolt between the wing strut and the lower
fitting.
http://westcoastpiet.com/images/O%20Hara%20-%20Howe/images/IMG_3032.JPG
Not sure about the engineering, but their plane has about 40 hours on it.
Chris
Sacramento, Ca
Westcoastpiet.com
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[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Larry
Morlock
Sent: Saturday, February 05, 2011 7:02 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Wing Strut Fitting Angle
I need some advice on how to get the angle of the lower wing strut fittings
to match the angle of the wing struts. There are several discussions on
this in the archives, with the consensus being that the tabs should be bent
up 30 degrees, rather than the 20 degrees shown in the plans.
My fuselage is already covered and now I find that the tabs need to be bent
up further to the required 30 degree angle. I don't see any way to bend
them in place without damage to the fuselage.
So my question is, would it be OK to bolt an additional tab to the existing
tab to get the correct angle? I saw a Pietenpol with such an arrangement
several years ago. It would cause some bending stress on the existing tabs,
but not sure if this would be a problem.
Any experience out there with this problem? Any other suggestions?
Larry Morlock
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Subject: | Re: Piet Directory |
Try openoffice.org free download.
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Subject: | Re: Covering Processes |
Dont think there is a real answer...making it rhetorical.
Gary Homer Simpson Boothe
Do not archive
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill Church
Sent: Friday, February 04, 2011 8:24 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Covering Processes
Sometimes I just can't help myself....
Gary wrote:
Again, I ask the rhetorical question: How long should a fabric and paint application
last on a wood framed aircraft, before it is removed to merely inspect the
frame? Ive been told 10 years is appropriate.
Gary
Grandma Simpson and Lisa are singing Bob Dylan's "Blowin' in the Wind" ("How many
roads must a man walk down/Before you call him a man?").
Homer overhears and says, "Eight!"
Lisa: "That was a rhetorical question!"
Homer: "Oh. Then, seven!"
Lisa: "Do you even know what 'rhetorical' means?"
Homer: "Do I know what 'rhetorical' means?"
Sorry, Gary. Didn't know you were actually looking for a real answer.
(by the way, I don't have one)
Bill C.
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Subject: | clear doped look |
NX799B will be sporting a "faux" clear doped linen look when she makes her
next public appearance. I spoke with Tom Brown who just used clear dope on
his wings, and a few other guys for their experience. Since she'll be
hangared, the UV shouldn't be an issue for a LONG time. I wanted to
simulate the doped linen look of the early planes, where the fabric almost
took on a "tea stained, parchment look" that and was translucent when
backlit imparting a beautifully light and ethereal quality to the planes.
I tested a bunch of squares and came upon the following recipe. After the
first nitrate coats are applied to ensure the Dacron fibers are
encapsulated, we mixed up clear butyrate with some polyfiber UV blocker
(called them and they said it was compatible) which is an amber color, and
then added some various organic pigment powders to get the straw color I
wanted. I've read a report from the NASM restoration facility where they
did longevity and exposure tests on clear coatings and actually found that
good quality UV spar varnished applied to the fabric outlasted everything
else by far. I tried that over the dope, but it left a super shiny surface
which bothered me, so maybe I'll just do that on the top of the wing for
some added UV.
Don Emch recovered my wings and used this recipe and they really look nice.
Douwe
Ps. Whoever asked for pics of my seat back, I'll get them out just as soon
as my camera is returned.
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Subject: | Wing Strut Fitting Angle |
I forgot about that, Chris! As usual, you're on top of your game.
Gary Boothe
do not archive
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[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Chris
Sent: Saturday, February 05, 2011 8:21 AM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Wing Strut Fitting Angle
Larry
A Piet near where Gary Boothe lives had the same problem because they raised
the wing. You can see in the picture in the following link that they
machined an aluminum fitting to bolt between the wing strut and the lower
fitting.
http://westcoastpiet.com/images/O%20Hara%20-%20Howe/images/IMG_3032.JPG
Not sure about the engineering, but their plane has about 40 hours on it.
Chris
Sacramento, Ca
Westcoastpiet.com
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[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Larry
Morlock
Sent: Saturday, February 05, 2011 7:02 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Wing Strut Fitting Angle
I need some advice on how to get the angle of the lower wing strut fittings
to match the angle of the wing struts. There are several discussions on
this in the archives, with the consensus being that the tabs should be bent
up 30 degrees, rather than the 20 degrees shown in the plans.
My fuselage is already covered and now I find that the tabs need to be bent
up further to the required 30 degree angle. I don't see any way to bend
them in place without damage to the fuselage.
So my question is, would it be OK to bolt an additional tab to the existing
tab to get the correct angle? I saw a Pietenpol with such an arrangement
several years ago. It would cause some bending stress on the existing tabs,
but not sure if this would be a problem.
Any experience out there with this problem? Any other suggestions?
Larry Morlock
href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List">http://www.matronic
s.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List
href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com
href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c
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Subject: | leading edge plywood |
I wonder if Jim Markle could again explain how to vacuum bag the wings to
hold that leading edge in place.
Gary Boothe
Cool, Ca.
Pietenpol
WW Corvair Conversion, Running!
Tail done, Fuselage on gear
(24 ribs down.)
Do not archive
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[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rick Holland
Sent: Friday, February 04, 2011 8:10 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: leading edge plywood
Good question.
On Thu, Feb 3, 2011 at 7:11 PM, TOM MICHELLE BRANT <tmbrant@msn.com> wrote:
Maybe a stupid question but I can't figure it out (what's that say about
me??)
Where do you start the leading edge plywood from? If you start from the
bottom of the leading edge, how is it held in place while gluing - are nails
used? Or do you start it from the top of the leading edge and sand it into
the curve of the wing? I just don't see anything in the plans for this.
Thanks,
Tom B.
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--
Rick Holland
Castle Rock, Colorado
"Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers, that smell bad"
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Subject: | Re: leading edge plywood |
One thing that really worries me is seeing all those beautiful Pietenpols
with the nails pushing thru the leading edge.
Gary Boothe
Do not archive, 'cause me-thinks it's an urban legend.
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[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of K5YAC
Sent: Friday, February 04, 2011 8:43 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: leading edge plywood
I forgot to add that the 1/4" x 1/4" strips were recessed 1/16" to allow the
plywood sheet to but against the LE and provide a minimal seam. Ran the
sanding block along the edge and it is smooth and straight. It worked well,
but I've got a no-no that I may have to address... I used 1/4" nails to
secure the front edge and then clamped at the rear. From what I read I
probably shouldn't have done this. I guess I am hoping that the spar
varnish and a light felt wrap will provide adequate protection.
--------
Mark Chouinard
Wings, Center Section and Empannage framed up - Working on Fuselage
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Subject: | Re: clear doped look |
Not to reignite the argument, but they also make a clear latex ... .
On Sat, Feb 5, 2011 at 10:22 AM, Douwe Blumberg <douweblumberg@earthlink.ne
t
> wrote:
> NX799B will be sporting a =93faux=94 clear doped linen look when she mak
es
> her next public appearance. I spoke with Tom Brown who just used clear d
ope
> on his wings, and a few other guys for their experience. Since she=92ll
be
> hangared, the UV shouldn=92t be an issue for a LONG time. I wanted to
> simulate the doped linen look of the early planes, where the fabric almos
t
> took on a =93tea stained, parchment look=94 that and was translucent when
> backlit imparting a beautifully light and ethereal quality to the planes.
>
>
> I tested a bunch of squares and came upon the following recipe. After th
e
> first nitrate coats are applied to ensure the Dacron fibers are
> encapsulated, we mixed up clear butyrate with some polyfiber UV blocker
> (called them and they said it was compatible) which is an amber color, an
d
> then added some various organic pigment powders to get the straw color I
> wanted. I=92ve read a report from the NASM restoration facility where th
ey
> did longevity and exposure tests on clear coatings and actually found tha
t
> good quality UV spar varnished applied to the fabric outlasted everything
> else by far. I tried that over the dope, but it left a super shiny surfa
ce
> which bothered me, so maybe I=92ll just do that on the top of the wing fo
r
> some added UV.
>
>
> Don Emch recovered my wings and used this recipe and they really look nic
e.
>
>
> Douwe
>
>
> Ps. Whoever asked for pics of my seat back, I=92ll get them out just as
soon
> as my camera is returned.
>
> *
>
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> *
>
>
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Ken Chambers
512-796-1798
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Subject: | Re: clear doped look |
Douwe, would flat or stain spar varnish still leave a too-shiny finish? Thi
s
is interesting with so many people so paranoid about UV penetration and
assuming only "real" aircraft finish systems will prevent certain death.
rick
> I tested a bunch of squares and came upon the following recipe. After th
e
> first nitrate coats are applied to ensure the Dacron fibers are
> encapsulated, we mixed up clear butyrate with some polyfiber UV blocker
> (called them and they said it was compatible) which is an amber color, an
d
> then added some various organic pigment powders to get the straw color I
> wanted. I=92ve read a report from the NASM restoration facility where th
ey
> did longevity and exposure tests on clear coatings and actually found tha
t
> good quality UV spar varnished applied to the fabric outlasted everything
> else by far. I tried that over the dope, but it left a super shiny surfa
ce
> which bothered me, so maybe I=92ll just do that on the top of the wing fo
r
> some added UV.
>
>
> Don Emch recovered my wings and used this recipe and they really look nic
e.
>
>
> Douwe
>
>
> Ps. Whoever asked for pics of my seat back, I=92ll get them out just as
soon
> as my camera is returned.
>
> *
>
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> *
>
>
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Rick Holland
Castle Rock, Colorado
"Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers, that smell bad"
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Subject: | Re: Covering Processes |
Brad,
Co-incidentally, just yesterday I was on a project in Bishop, Ca., which is
a desert climate, and saw some tinted stain over wood that was over 3 years
old. There was no degredation of the finish. I asked about UV protection,
but the applicator had no knowledge. Below is a link to the manufacturer
(Flood) and an MSDS. Neither address UV, but I notice there is some Titanium
Dioxide. I'm sure a simple note, or call, to them would confirm the level of
UV protection.
http://www.duspec.com/DuSpec2/document/DocumentDisplayController.htm?documen
tId=664597
http://www.duspec.com/DuSpec2/document/DocumentDisplayController.htm?documen
tId=664599
Gary Boothe
Cool, Ca.
Pietenpol
WW Corvair Conversion, Running!
Tail done, Fuselage on gear
(24 ribs down.)
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of DOMIT
Sent: Friday, February 04, 2011 11:59 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Covering Processes
Hmmm... I wonder if, to get a "clear doped linen" appearance, one could dye
the fabric and apply a clear polyurethane finish? (Yes, I know, no UV
protection... it would have to be recovered every 3 hours and 17 minutes of
flight time, etc...)
--------
Brad "DOMIT" Smith
First rule of ground school: This is the ground... don't hit it going fast.
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Subject: | Re: clear doped look |
OMG, here we go again...
On Sat, Feb 5, 2011 at 9:44 AM, Ken Chambers <ken.riffic@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Not to reignite the argument, but they also make a clear latex ... .
>
>
> *
>
> *
>
>
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Rick Holland
Castle Rock, Colorado
"Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers, that smell bad"
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Subject: | Re: Piet Directory |
You bet!
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of gtche98
Sent: Saturday, February 05, 2011 10:10 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Piet Directory
Thanks again Jack for taking the time to put this together, and then keep it
updated. That is the hardest part.
What a great resource!
Do not archive
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Gary Wilson
Greenville Wisconsin
gtche98 (at) gmail ((dot)) com
Planning Phase
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Subject: | Re: leading edge plywood |
I'm wondering if it isn't just legend as well, Gary. I know that I really have
to get a hold of those buggers with heavy pliers in order to remove one, and
that is IF I left enough sticking out to grab. I'm thinking that driven flush
and coated with varnish that they aren't going anywhere.
gboothe5(at)comcast.net wrote:
> One thing that really worries me is seeing all those beautiful Pietenpols
> with the nails pushing thru the leading edge.
>
> Gary Boothe
> Do not archive, 'cause me-thinks it's an urban legend.
>
>
> --
--------
Mark Chouinard
Wings, Center Section and Empannage framed up - Working on Fuselage
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Gene and Charles sorry for the hassle. The attached file is a txt document.
You should be able to open it then just add your info in the same order and
I will cut and paste. You will still have a problem opening the Directory
unless you download www.openoffice.org <http://www.openoffice.org/> as
suggested. I could send it to you as a PDF but it would be messed up.
Thanks,
Jack
_____
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gene Rambo
Sent: Saturday, February 05, 2011 9:03 AM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Piet Directory
can't open it.
Gene
> From: jack@textors.com
> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Piet Directory
> Date: Sat, 5 Feb 2011 06:28:42 -0600
>
> Hello all, I just sent the listing to all that have submitted their info.
> If you didn't receive the listing and want to be included fill out the
> template and return to my home email jack@textors.com.
> Thanks,
> Jack
>
>
> Jack Textor
> 29 SW 58th Drive
> Des Moines, IA 50312
> www.textors.com
>
>
First Name Last Name Street City State Zip Country Home
Base Occupation Employer Wk Phone Home Phone Cell Primary
Email Piet Model Engine N Number Flying? Y/N Web Site
Project Status Comments
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Subject: | Re: Piet Directory |
Wow...I can even open it on my phone. Jack, could we get you to make up a
few copies longhand, in triplicate, for those...technologically challenged
builders. ;)
OpenOffice, Google Docs, Office Web Apps on MS Live....all free, and should
be able to handle the file. Office Web Apps is probably the best bet for
compatibility, since it is Microsoft. Yeah, you have to sign up for a free
MS Live acct, but if you don't want to buy Office its the lesser of two
evils.
Ryan
Sent from my mobile device
On Feb 5, 2011 9:51 AM, "Charles Campbell" <cncampbell@windstream.net>
wrote:
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Subject: | Re: Piet Directory |
Ok! I'm just about computer illiterate. I downloaded openoffice.org,
created a folder in folder options in control panel. Now when I click on
the link in Jack's E-mail it sends me to a block which still tells me to do
what I just told you about. Now what do I do, coach? Chuck
----- Original Message -----
From: "bamabuilder" <willie99@otelco.net>
Sent: Saturday, February 05, 2011 11:28 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Piet Directory
>
> Try openoffice.org free download.
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=329719#329719
>
>
>
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Subject: | Re: Piet Directory |
Jack, I'm already in the list. Just wanted to get the updated version.
I tried the openoffice.org bit but it still doesn't work. Just posted a
note about this. If you can tell me what I'm doing wrong I would
appreciate it. Thanks, Chuck (Charles)
----- Original Message -----
From: Jack
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Saturday, February 05, 2011 12:33 PM
Subject: RE: RE: Pietenpol-List: Piet Directory
Gene and Charles sorry for the hassle. The attached file is a txt
document. You should be able to open it then just add your info in the
same order and I will cut and paste. You will still have a problem
opening the Directory unless you download www.openoffice.org as
suggested. I could send it to you as a PDF but it would be messed up.
Thanks,
Jack
-------------------------------------------------------------------------
-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gene
Rambo
Sent: Saturday, February 05, 2011 9:03 AM
To: pietenpol-list
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Piet Directory
can't open it.
Gene
> From: jack@textors.com
> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Piet Directory
> Date: Sat, 5 Feb 2011 06:28:42 -0600
>
> Hello all, I just sent the listing to all that have submitted their
info.
> If you didn't receive the listing and want to be included fill out
the
> template and return to my home email jack@textors.com.
> Thanks,
> Jack
>
>
> Jack Textor
> 29 SW 58th Drive
> Des Moines, IA 50312
> www.textors.com
>
>
http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-Listhttp://forums.matronics.
comhttp://www.matronics.com/contribution
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Subject: | Re: Piet Directory |
Not sure what doing anything with Folder Options has to do with it. You downloaded
the OpenOffice installation file...did you then run the installer and install
the program? If so it should have given you the choice to associate Excel
and other standard Office file formats with the program, or maybe even have done
so automatically. If you really get stumped, let me know. I've got a Gotomeeting
account, and we could do a one time remote session and I can resolve the
issue.
Ryan
------Original Message------
From: Charles Campbell
Sender: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
ReplyTo: Pietenpol List
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Piet Directory
Sent: Feb 5, 2011 12:19 PM
Ok! I'm just about computer illiterate. I downloaded openoffice.org,
created a folder in folder options in control panel. Now when I click on
the link in Jack's E-mail it sends me to a block which still tells me to do
what I just told you about. Now what do I do, coach? Chuck
----- Original Message -----
From: "bamabuilder" <willie99@otelco.net>
Sent: Saturday, February 05, 2011 11:28 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Piet Directory
>
> Try openoffice.org free download.
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=329719#329719
>
>
>
Ryan Mueller
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Subject: | Re: Piet Directory |
Ryan thanks a bunch for the help! Go with him Chuck...he knows his stuff
Jack
Do not archive
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ryan Mueller
Sent: Saturday, February 05, 2011 12:38 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Piet Directory
Not sure what doing anything with Folder Options has to do with it. You
downloaded the OpenOffice installation file...did you then run the installer
and install the program? If so it should have given you the choice to
associate Excel and other standard Office file formats with the program, or
maybe even have done so automatically. If you really get stumped, let me
know. I've got a Gotomeeting account, and we could do a one time remote
session and I can resolve the issue.
Ryan
------Original Message------
From: Charles Campbell
Sender: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
ReplyTo: Pietenpol List
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Piet Directory
Sent: Feb 5, 2011 12:19 PM
<cncampbell@windstream.net>
Ok! I'm just about computer illiterate. I downloaded openoffice.org,
created a folder in folder options in control panel. Now when I click on
the link in Jack's E-mail it sends me to a block which still tells me to do
what I just told you about. Now what do I do, coach? Chuck
----- Original Message -----
From: "bamabuilder" <willie99@otelco.net>
Sent: Saturday, February 05, 2011 11:28 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Piet Directory
>
> Try openoffice.org free download.
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=329719#329719
>
>
>
Ryan Mueller
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Well as bad as I have been wanting to do my first flight on my plane since I have
gotten it signed off in December the weather has been against me and the few
days I have had decent weather to attempt it the engine has failed to run up
right-rather stumbling and trying to die as i open the throttle.i had it running
smooth in the summer but now it will not. I am about 99% sure it is the carb
though I have removed it and cleaned it 3 times. today I was sure it finally
would go but no luck. it is the Stromberg I got from D.J. along with the rest
of th project. The engine runs smooth but usually as I try to open the throttle
it just stumbles and dies.I did notice that when it's idling it is dripping
gas around the adjusting needle which leads me to think there might be some
type of seal that I'm missing there.it had sat several years but paperwork showed
it had been through a carb shop down around south Texas. I have had no luck
getting an answer for that shop so am assuming they have folded. I guess the
next step will be to send it to some other shop and hope they can resurrect
it again. it has the 1 3/8" venturi in it and I'm assuming the right jets but
I think the time has come to admit defeat and send it off. Who preferably in
the Texas Oklahoma area might be a good place to send it to? Raymond
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Subject: | Re: Piet Directory |
I did and it works great. Thanks, Chuck Do not archive
----- Original Message -----
From: "bamabuilder" <willie99@otelco.net>
Sent: Saturday, February 05, 2011 11:28 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Piet Directory
>
> Try openoffice.org free download.
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=329719#329719
>
>
>
>
>
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Raymond,
This is on a Corvair, right? If it's going on a Corvair, you should just ship it
to Russ Romey at D&G Supply in Niles, MI. He's the go to shop for overhauling
and setting up carbs for Corvairs. Tell him what the prob is, and that you want
it set up for a 'Vair, and you should be good. Reasonable cost too, imho.
Ryan Mueller
-----Original Message-----
From: "skellytown flyer" <skellflyer1@yahoo.com>
Sender: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
Well as bad as I have been wanting to do my first flight on my plane since I have
gotten it signed off in December the weather has been against me and the few
days I have had decent weather to attempt it the engine has failed to run up
right-rather stumbling and trying to die as i open the throttle.i had it running
smooth in the summer but now it will not. I am about 99% sure it is the carb
though I have removed it and cleaned it 3 times. today I was sure it finally
would go but no luck. it is the Stromberg I got from D.J. along with the rest
of th project. The engine runs smooth but usually as I try to open the throttle
it just stumbles and dies.I did notice that when it's idling it is dripping
gas around the adjusting needle which leads me to think there might be some
type of seal that I'm missing there.it had sat several years but paperwork showed
it had been through a carb shop down around south Texas. I have had no luck
getting an answer for that shop so am assuming t!
hey have folded. I guess the next step will be to send it to some other shop and
hope they can resurrect it again. it has the 1 3/8" venturi in it and I'm assuming
the right jets but I think the time has come to admit defeat and send
it off. Who preferably in the Texas Oklahoma area might be a good place to send
it to? Raymond
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Subject: | Re: Piet Directory |
Got the list OK now. Thanks.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jack" <jack@textors.com>
Sent: Saturday, February 05, 2011 12:02 PM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Piet Directory
>
> You bet!
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of gtche98
> Sent: Saturday, February 05, 2011 10:10 AM
> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Piet Directory
>
>
> Thanks again Jack for taking the time to put this together, and then keep
> it
> updated. That is the hardest part.
>
> What a great resource!
>
> Do not archive
>
> --------
> Gary Wilson
> Greenville Wisconsin
> gtche98 (at) gmail ((dot)) com
> Planning Phase
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=329716#329716
>
>
>
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Subject: | Re: Piet Directory |
Halleluiah! Chuck is a software stud! Ryan too!
Jack
Do not archive
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Charles
Campbell
Sent: Saturday, February 05, 2011 2:27 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Piet Directory
<cncampbell@windstream.net>
I did and it works great. Thanks, Chuck Do not archive
----- Original Message -----
From: "bamabuilder" <willie99@otelco.net>
Sent: Saturday, February 05, 2011 11:28 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Piet Directory
>
> Try openoffice.org free download.
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=329719#329719
>
>
>
>
>
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Subject: | Re: Piet Directory |
Haha. Kudos to Chuck, he got 'er figured out. :)
Do not archive
------Original Message------
From: Jack
Sender: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
ReplyTo: Pietenpol List
Subject: RE: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Piet Directory
Sent: Feb 5, 2011 2:41 PM
Halleluiah! Chuck is a software stud! Ryan too!
Jack
Do not archive
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Charles
Campbell
Sent: Saturday, February 05, 2011 2:27 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Piet Directory
<cncampbell@windstream.net>
I did and it works great. Thanks, Chuck Do not archive
----- Original Message -----
From: "bamabuilder" <willie99@otelco.net>
Sent: Saturday, February 05, 2011 11:28 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Piet Directory
>
> Try openoffice.org free download.
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=329719#329719
>
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Ryan Mueller
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that's right. and sounds like a good place.- if I can't get it going soon I need
to search their contact information and ship it.thanks. Raymond
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Subject: | Re: Ernest Kestler paint job?? |
Kestler?... you must mean "Kessler".... I thought it might be neat to get a faded
yellow piet and paint "Waldo Pfeiffer" on it. It would look cool with a squared
off Jenny-style cowl, spoke wheels and antique instrument panel.
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Subject: | Re: Ernest Kestler paint job?? |
..actual spelling is "Ernst Kessler"... don't forget, you must do the 'outside
loop" if you finish that machine.
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Subject: | Re: leading edge plywood |
not an urban legend=2C they WILL work themselves back out.
Gene
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: leading edge plywood
> From: hangar10@cox.net
> Date: Sat=2C 5 Feb 2011 09:17:22 -0800
> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
>
>
> I'm wondering if it isn't just legend as well=2C Gary. I know that I real
ly have to get a hold of those buggers with heavy pliers in order to remove
one=2C and that is IF I left enough sticking out to grab. I'm thinking tha
t driven flush and coated with varnish that they aren't going anywhere.
>
>
> gboothe5(at)comcast.net wrote:
> > One thing that really worries me is seeing all those beautiful Pietenpo
ls
> > with the nails pushing thru the leading edge.
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> > Gary Boothe
> > Do not archive=2C 'cause me-thinks it's an urban legend.
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Subject: | Re: Paint discussion ad nauseum |
Is the Stewert System glue particular about the varnish that is used
under it? My son-in-law owns the Benjamin Moore paint store in town and
recommended a fancy water based varnish that has very high UV protection
and is super easy to use, glossy and totally waterproof...but very
expensive. Started using it on the interior of the fuselage where I
will not be able to get to later on.
Ray Krause
Sky Scout
----- Original Message -----
From: Gene Rambo
To: pietenpol-list
Sent: Friday, February 04, 2011 9:36 PM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Paint discussion ad nauseum
not the finish, but the cement is MEK based!! That is why I am using
Stewart Systems cement to cover, even though I am using dope for the
finish. Stewart even blessed me doing that, said dope wont hurt the
glue. And I thought they would say I had to use their finishes . . .
Gene Rambo
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Paint discussion ad nauseum
> From: kevin.purtee@us.army.mil
> Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2011 21:07:46 -0800
> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
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<kevin.purtee@us.army.mil>
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> BTW: MEK is only the cleaning solvent. I'm pretty darn sure that
none of the poly-fiber poly-tone products use MEK in the coatings.
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Subject: | Re: leading edge plywood |
Dang.
generambo(at)msn.com wrote:
> not an urban legend, they WILL work themselves back out.
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Mark Chouinard
Wings, Center Section and Empannage framed up - Working on Fuselage
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Subject: | Re: Piet Directory |
I must have missed something, where is the list? Is it sent upon request?
Ray Krause
----- Original Message -----
From: "Charles Campbell" <cncampbell@windstream.net>
Sent: Saturday, February 05, 2011 12:15 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Piet Directory
> <cncampbell@windstream.net>
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> Got the list OK now. Thanks.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Jack" <jack@textors.com>
> To: <pietenpol-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Saturday, February 05, 2011 12:02 PM
> Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Piet Directory
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>> You bet!
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>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
>> [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of gtche98
>> Sent: Saturday, February 05, 2011 10:10 AM
>> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
>> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Piet Directory
>>
>>
>> Thanks again Jack for taking the time to put this together, and then keep
>> it
>> updated. That is the hardest part.
>>
>> What a great resource!
>>
>> Do not archive
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>> Gary Wilson
>> Greenville Wisconsin
>> gtche98 (at) gmail ((dot)) com
>> Planning Phase
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Subject: | Re: Wing Strut Fitting Angle |
Larry,
Last year I was helping a friend attach his wings on his Super Cub kit. He
had an expert (really) helping him who had tons of experience with this. He
actually took a large crescent wrench and bent the tab angle to fit the wi
ng strut. I also bent my fittings this way when mine needed some tweaking.
That 4130 is soft enough to give a little.
Dan Helsper
Poplar Grove, IL.
-----Original Message-----
From: Larry Morlock <l.morlock@att.net>
Sent: Sat, Feb 5, 2011 9:05 am
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Wing Strut Fitting Angle
I need some advice on how to get the angle of the lower wing strut fittings
to match the angle of the wing struts. There are several discussions on t
his in the archives, with the consensus being that the tabs should be bent
up 30 degrees, rather than the 20 degrees shown in the plans.
My fuselage is already covered and now I find that the tabs need to be bent
up further to the required 30 degree angle. I don=C2=92t see any way to b
end them in place without damage to the fuselage.
So my question is, would it be OK to bolt an additional tab to the existing
tab to get the correct angle? I saw a Pietenpol with such an arrangement
several years ago. It would cause some bending stress on the existing tabs
, but not sure if this would be a problem.
Any experience out there with this problem? Any other suggestions?
Larry Morlock
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Subject: | Re: leading edge plywood |
If those nails really do work themselves out, I am in heap-o-trouble since
I put in about a million to hold that plywood in place.
Dan Helsper
Poplar Grove, IL.
do not archive
-----Original Message-----
From: Gene Rambo <generambo@msn.com>
Sent: Sat, Feb 5, 2011 6:34 pm
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: leading edge plywood
not an urban legend, they WILL work themselves back out.
Gene
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: leading edge plywood
> From: hangar10@cox.net
> Date: Sat, 5 Feb 2011 09:17:22 -0800
> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
>
>
> I'm wondering if it isn't just legend as well, Gary. I know that I really
have to get a hold of those buggers with heavy pliers in order to remove o
ne, and that is IF I left enough sticking out to grab. I'm thinking that dr
iven flush and coated with varnish that they aren't going anywhere.
>
>
> gboothe5(at)comcast.net wrote:
> > One thing that really worries me is seeing all those beautiful Pietenpo
ls
> > with the nails pushing thru the leading edge.
> >
> > Gary Boothe
> > Do not archive, 'cause me-thinks it's an urban legend.
> >
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Subject: | Re: Piet Directory |
Ray, to be included in the list and receive a copy of the listing fill out
the attached file and return to me at jack@textors.com.
Thanks,
Jack
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ray Krause
Sent: Saturday, February 05, 2011 6:53 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Piet Directory
<raykrause@frontiernet.net>
I must have missed something, where is the list? Is it sent upon request?
Ray Krause
----- Original Message -----
From: "Charles Campbell" <cncampbell@windstream.net>
Sent: Saturday, February 05, 2011 12:15 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Piet Directory
> <cncampbell@windstream.net>
>
> Got the list OK now. Thanks.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Jack" <jack@textors.com>
> To: <pietenpol-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Saturday, February 05, 2011 12:02 PM
> Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Piet Directory
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>>
>> You bet!
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
>> [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of gtche98
>> Sent: Saturday, February 05, 2011 10:10 AM
>> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
>> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Piet Directory
>>
>>
>> Thanks again Jack for taking the time to put this together, and then keep
>> it
>> updated. That is the hardest part.
>>
>> What a great resource!
>>
>> Do not archive
>>
>> --------
>> Gary Wilson
>> Greenville Wisconsin
>> gtche98 (at) gmail ((dot)) com
>> Planning Phase
>>
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>>
>> Read this topic online here:
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>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=329716#329716
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Subject: | Re: leading edge plywood |
helspersew(at)aol.com wrote:
> If those nails really do work themselves out, I am in heap-o-trouble since I
put in about a million to hold that plywood in place.
>
> Dan Helsper
> Poplar Grove, IL.
>
Yep, just what I was thinking. I drove ~3000 into my wing ribs. Ought to sound
like a couple of maracas on final.
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Wings, Center Section and Empannage framed up - Working on Fuselage
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Subject: | Re: Wing Strut Fitting Angle |
It's pretty easy to get extremely close numbers/angles. Haven't had time to get
caught up on emails so if this has already been addressed, hit delete! :-)
Measure (or calculate) the height difference between the lower fitting and the
wing attach point. That will give you the rise of a triangle (Side a). Calculate
the "horizontal" distance between the two fittings. That will give you the
base of the triangle (Side b).
Now go to http://www.csgnetwork.com/righttricalc.html (or google "right triangle calculator" and use any of the free online calculators) and plug in the Side a and Side b numbers and the calculator will tell you the angle....and numbers for strut length.
Not precisely accurate because of dihedral, etc but should be plenty close enough
to get an angle for the lower fitting.
The same calculators will be useful for determining dihedral numbers if you want
some in your wing....
jm
-----Original Message-----
From: Larry Morlock
Sent: Feb 5, 2011 9:02 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Wing Strut Fitting Angle
I need
some advice on how to get the angle of the lower wing strut fittings to match
the angle of the wing struts. There
are several discussions on this in the archives, with the consensus being that
the tabs should be bent up 30 degrees, rather than the 20 degrees shown in the
plans.
My
fuselage is already covered and now I find that the tabs need to be bent up
further to the required 30 degree angle.
I dont see any way to bend them in place without damage to the
fuselage.
So my
question is, would it be OK to bolt an additional tab to the existing tab to get
the correct angle? I saw a
Pietenpol with such an arrangement several years ago. It would cause some bending
stress on
the existing tabs, but not sure if this would be a problem.
Any
experience out there with this problem? Any other suggestions?
Larry Morlock
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Subject: | leading edge plywood |
I would be GLAD to! Someone actually WANTS to see my vacuum bagging demonstration
again? Really? WOW!!! Maybe I can bring my setup to Brodhead this year
and do a 4-6 hour vacuum bagging seminar???? I'll start packing now......
jm
-----Original Message-----
From: Gary Boothe
Sent: Feb 5, 2011 10:26 AM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: leading edge plywood
I wonder if Jim Markle could again explain
how to vacuum bag the wings to hold that leading edge in place
Gary Boothe
Cool, Ca.
Pietenpol
WW Corvair Conversion, Running!
Tail done, Fuselage on gear
(24 ribs down)
Do not archive
From:
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[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rick Holland
Sent: Friday, February 04, 2011
8:10 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List:
leading edge plywood
Good question.
On Thu, Feb 3, 2011 at 7:11 PM, TOM MICHELLE BRANT <tmbrant@msn.com> wrote:
Maybe a stupid question but I can't figure it out (what's that say
about me??)
Where do you start the leading edge plywood from? If you start from the
bottom of the leading edge, how is it held in place while gluing - are nails
used? Or do you start it from the top of the leading edge and sand it
into the curve of the wing? I just don't see anything in the plans for
this.
Thanks,
Tom B.
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Subject: | Re: leading edge plywood |
Do ALL nails in all parts of the plane, the ones not removed after gluing,
work their way out. Or only on the leading edge?
Ray Krause
----- Original Message -----
From: "K5YAC" <hangar10@cox.net>
Sent: Saturday, February 05, 2011 4:49 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: leading edge plywood
>
> Dang.
>
>
> generambo(at)msn.com wrote:
>> not an urban legend, they WILL work themselves back out.
>
>
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> Mark Chouinard
> Wings, Center Section and Empannage framed up - Working on Fuselage
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> Read this topic online here:
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Subject: | Re: leading edge plywood |
So you won't need to buy dimple tape then.
Clif
"If you view all the things that happen to you, both good and bad, as
opportunities, then you operate out of a higher level of consciousness."
~ Les Brown
>> If those nails really do work themselves out, I am in heap-o-trouble
>> since I put in about a million to hold that plywood in place.
>>
>> Dan Helsper
>> Poplar Grove, IL.
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