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1. 03:34 AM - Re: Wing Strut Fitting Angle (Dangerous Dave)
2. 06:28 AM - Larry's strut fittings (Douwe Blumberg)
3. 06:28 AM - spar varnish (Douwe Blumberg)
4. 06:55 AM - Shad's Piet... (Jim Markle)
5. 06:57 AM - a cool "non Bernard" approved mod (Douwe Blumberg)
6. 07:06 AM - Re: Re: leading edge plywood (l.morlock)
7. 07:16 AM - Re: Shad's Piet... (K5YAC)
8. 07:35 AM - Re: Wing Strut Fitting Angle (l.morlock)
9. 07:35 AM - Re: Wing Strut Fitting Angle (l.morlock)
10. 07:36 AM - Re: leading edge plywood (K5YAC)
11. 07:41 AM - Re: Larry's strut fittings (l.morlock)
12. 08:26 AM - Re: Re: leading edge plywood (Gene Rambo)
13. 08:31 AM - Re: Re: Paint discussion ad nauseum (Gene Rambo)
14. 08:37 AM - Re: Wing Strut Fitting Angle (airlion)
15. 08:59 AM - Re: Re: Shad's Piet... (Jim Markle)
16. 09:04 AM - carbs (Oscar Zuniga)
17. 09:17 AM - Covering Processes (Oscar Zuniga)
18. 10:18 AM - Small World (dgaldrich)
19. 10:43 AM - Re: Wing Strut Fitting Angle (Jack Phillips)
20. 12:11 PM - Re: Re: Paint discussion ad nauseum (Ray Krause)
21. 12:55 PM - Elevator travel (KM Heide CPO/FAAOP)
22. 01:51 PM - Re: Elevator travel (Charles Campbell)
23. 01:52 PM - Re: Elevator travel (Charles Campbell)
24. 02:39 PM - Re: Elevator travel (Jack Phillips)
25. 03:21 PM - Re: Elevator travel (Bill Church)
26. 05:17 PM - Re: Re: Ernest Kestler paint job?? (shad bell)
27. 06:03 PM - Re: Re: Piet Directory (V Groah)
28. 08:55 PM - Re: clear doped look (kevinpurtee)
29. 08:57 PM - Re: Piet Directory (kevinpurtee)
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Subject: | Re: Wing Strut Fitting Angle |
Dan has it pegged.Just use a crescent wrench,I had to do the same thing on mine
and on a clipped wing cub.Putting in a link is a bad idea,in tension it has strength
but in compression it wont and in turbulence or a not so soft landing
your wings could droop or rotate leaving you....
dave
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Subject: | Larry's strut fittings |
Larry,
First off I'd sure be positive they ARE at the wrong angle before you did
anything. I know you have that one piece wing, but you also have a ton of
room, so I'd jig it up in position and then if any tweaks have to be made,
do it then. I've found that sometimes things look wrong until it's all
together and then it miraculously fits just fine.
Douwe
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Rick,
I didn't exhaustively ck, but I seemed to find that the satin or flat spar
varnishes were not as strong in the UV blocking department. Satin would be
perfect, OR if one wanted to take the time, one could likely use the glossy
and simply rub the shine down a bit with a rubbing compound.
Douwe
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Just saw a (VERY quick) shot of the Bell's Piet on "The Aviators"....
Great show and neat to see a familiar Air Camper on my TV!!!
JM
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Subject: | a cool "non Bernard" approved mod |
In an effort to provide space for bulky, yet light items such as
jackets/sleeping bags etc, this week I built a small baggage compartment
behind the pilot's bulkhead with an access door in the turtle deck just
behind the cockpit. I've always like Mike Cuys large area in the turtle
deck accessed through the door behind his head for light stuff.
I obviously didn't want to go far back, but there is a fair amount of depth
available there before you'd interfere with the elevator cables. So I made
it only about ten inches deep, but it goes from one side to the other and
stops about two inches above the cables with the floor angles like the
cables are. It's thin aluminum and bolts and screws to the framework and is
very rigid.
I weighed every part I removed when I added my carbon fiber contoured back
bulkhead insert, and removing my glovebox, etc, and then weighed every part
that went into it and my calculations show it probably added a bit under two
pounds total. Now I'll have to do the math when I do weight and balance to
placard it well so no big pilots ever put heavy stuff in there, but with me
weighing 150, I should be able to get a backpackers sleeping bag and tent in
there no problem.
I still have total access to the bottom through the aluminum panel below
that bay.
Douwe
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Subject: | Re: leading edge plywood |
I used ring shank nails made of silicon bronze for both leading and
trailing edge. They can be purchased from www.greenboatstuff.com and
reportedly resist woking out and resist corrosion.
Larry
----- Original Message -----
From: helspersew@aol.com
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Saturday, February 05, 2011 8:55 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: leading edge plywood
If those nails really do work themselves out, I am in heap-o-trouble
since I put in about a million to hold that plywood in place.
Dan Helsper
Poplar Grove, IL.
do not archive
-----Original Message-----
From: Gene Rambo <generambo@msn.com>
To: pietenpol-list <pietenpol-list@matronics.com>
Sent: Sat, Feb 5, 2011 6:34 pm
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: leading edge plywood
not an urban legend, they WILL work themselves back out.
Gene
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: leading edge plywood
> From: hangar10@cox.net
> Date: Sat, 5 Feb 2011 09:17:22 -0800
> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
>
>
> I'm wondering if it isn't just legend as well, Gary. I know that I
really have to get a hold of those buggers with heavy pliers in order to
remove one, and that is IF I left enough sticking out to grab. I'm
thinking that driven flush and coated with varnish that they aren't
going anywhere.
>
>
> gboothe5(at)comcast.net wrote:
> > One thing that really worries me is seeing all those beautiful
Pietenpols
> > with the nails pushing thru the leading edge.
> >
> > Gary Boothe
> > Do not archive, 'cause me-thinks it's an urban legend.
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Subject: | Re: Shad's Piet... |
Same here... and who were the folks working on the Piet wing?
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Mark Chouinard
Wings, Center Section and Empannage framed up - Working on Fuselage
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Subject: | Re: Wing Strut Fitting Angle |
Chris, thanks for the picture. This machined fitting is very similar to
the Piet I saw a few years ago, but not the same one. Based on
everyone's input, I plan to bend the tabs in place to the correct angle.
Larry
----- Original Message -----
From: Chris
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Saturday, February 05, 2011 11:21 AM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Wing Strut Fitting Angle
Larry
A Piet near where Gary Boothe lives had the same problem because they
raised the wing. You can see in the picture in the following link that
they machined an aluminum fitting to bolt between the wing strut and the
lower fitting.
http://westcoastpiet.com/images/O%20Hara%20-%20Howe/images/IMG_3032.JPG
Not sure about the engineering, but their plane has about 40 hours on
it.
Chris
Sacramento, Ca
Westcoastpiet.com
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[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Larry
Morlock
Sent: Saturday, February 05, 2011 7:02 AM
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Wing Strut Fitting Angle
I need some advice on how to get the angle of the lower wing strut
fittings to match the angle of the wing struts. There are several
discussions on this in the archives, with the consensus being that the
tabs should be bent up 30 degrees, rather than the 20 degrees shown in
the plans.
My fuselage is already covered and now I find that the tabs need to be
bent up further to the required 30 degree angle. I don't see any way to
bend them in place without damage to the fuselage.
So my question is, would it be OK to bolt an additional tab to the
existing tab to get the correct angle? I saw a Pietenpol with such an
arrangement several years ago. It would cause some bending stress on
the existing tabs, but not sure if this would be a problem.
Any experience out there with this problem? Any other suggestions?
Larry Morlock
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Subject: | Re: Wing Strut Fitting Angle |
The ayes have it! Jack, Dan and Dave all agree I should be able to bend
the tabs in place to get the correct angle to match the angle of the
wing struts. I'll give it a try.
Jack, I don't see any way to change the strut ends to match the angle of
the fitting tabs and keep the load along the axis of the strut. I think
this is the basic problem with modifying either the tabs or the struts,
so bending the tabs in place seems to be the best answer.
Thanks for the responses.
Larry
----- Original Message -----
From: Jack Phillips
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Saturday, February 05, 2011 10:20 AM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Wing Strut Fitting Angle
Larry,
Is it not possible to bend the tabs of your existing fittings? If the
bolts and longerons are strong enough to handle flight and landing
loads, I would think that you could bend the tabs with a correctly
designed lever without damaging the structure.
I would make a lever out of a couple of pieces of substantial angle
iron - maybe 8' long 2" x 2", welded together to make a T section (so
you can apply a load without getting a twist) and weld some sort of
receptacle on the end that can slip over the tab on your fuselage
fittings. Have a friend hold the fuselage down and push up on the lever
until you have the desired result.
Otherwise, your idea of an extra fitting to change the angle can
probably be made to work, but needs to be made so that it applies the
load along the axis of the strut. Can your struts be modified to fit
the 20 deg. Angle of your fittings? I know this would impart some
moment to the strut and fitting, but it probably would not be too
severe.
Do you have any pictures of your fitting and the end of your strut?
Jack Phillips
NX899JP "Icarus Plummet"
Raleigh, NC
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Larry
Morlock
Sent: Saturday, February 05, 2011 10:02 AM
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Wing Strut Fitting Angle
I need some advice on how to get the angle of the lower wing strut
fittings to match the angle of the wing struts. There are several
discussions on this in the archives, with the consensus being that the
tabs should be bent up 30 degrees, rather than the 20 degrees shown in
the plans.
My fuselage is already covered and now I find that the tabs need to be
bent up further to the required 30 degree angle. I don't see any way to
bend them in place without damage to the fuselage.
So my question is, would it be OK to bolt an additional tab to the
existing tab to get the correct angle? I saw a Pietenpol with such an
arrangement several years ago. It would cause some bending stress on
the existing tabs, but not sure if this would be a problem.
Any experience out there with this problem? Any other suggestions?
Larry Morlock
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Subject: | Re: leading edge plywood |
I used these in the 1/4" variety on my wings. I also used several 3/8" and 1/2"
nails on my fuselage and tail feathers.
Per Aircraft Spruce: Flat, bonderized steel nails, brass plated to prevent rusting
and cement coated to improve
holding power. Manufactured to Federal Specification FF-N-105 (formerly AN301).
Order by part no. There are
approximately 9,000 3/8" x 20 steel nails per pound.
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Mark Chouinard
Wings, Center Section and Empannage framed up - Working on Fuselage
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Subject: | Re: Larry's strut fittings |
Douwe, I figured out they are at the wrong angle last year when I
mounted the one-piece wing before it was covered, in order to do a
preliminary weight and balance. I hope to mount the finished wing as
soon as it warms up, so just now getting around to figuring out what to
do with the tab angle problem. However, now that you got me thinking
more about it, I think I will wait to bend the tabs as part of mounting
the wing struts so I improve my chances of getting it to the correct
angle.
Larry
----- Original Message -----
From: Douwe Blumberg
To: pietenpolgroup
Sent: Sunday, February 06, 2011 9:32 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Larry's strut fittings
Larry,
First off I'd sure be positive they ARE at the wrong angle before you
did anything. I know you have that one piece wing, but you also have a
ton of room, so I'd jig it up in position and then if any tweaks have to
be made, do it then. I've found that sometimes things look wrong until
it's all together and then it miraculously fits just fine.
Douwe
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Subject: | Re: leading edge plywood |
nails in the rib gussets are not going anywhere. Maybe there is no "pull"
on them. Not sure what it is about leading edge=2C maybe the direction of
the vibrations they undergo=2C like the leading edge plywood vibrates up an
d down vigorously in the slipstream that pulls them out. Remember=2C thoug
h=2C Aeronca (and Citibria) have problems with the nails in the aluminum ri
bs into the spar working out=2C and there is an AD to replace them with rin
ged-shank nails. I guess the vibration up and down in the rib relative to
the spar worked them out. I dont know if ringed nails would stay better in
the leading edge=2C but doubt it. I'd stay away from nails if possible.
Gene
> From: raykrause@frontiernet.net
> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: leading edge plywood
> Date: Sat=2C 5 Feb 2011 20:52:09 -0800
>
.net>
>
> Do ALL nails in all parts of the plane=2C the ones not removed after glui
ng=2C
> work their way out. Or only on the leading edge?
>
> Ray Krause
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "K5YAC" <hangar10@cox.net>
> To: <pietenpol-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Saturday=2C February 05=2C 2011 4:49 PM
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: leading edge plywood
>
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> >
> > Dang.
> >
> >
> > generambo(at)msn.com wrote:
> >> not an urban legend=2C they WILL work themselves back out.
> >
> >
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> > Mark Chouinard
> > Wings=2C Center Section and Empannage framed up - Working on Fuselage
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Read this topic online here:
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> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=329791#329791
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Subject: | Re: Paint discussion ad nauseum |
No=2C the Stewart glue won't touch anything at all. I used Helmsman semi-g
loss poly varnish throughout=2C and the Stewart does not do anything to it
=2C nor does nitrate thinner. I think only MEK (and therefore MEK-based Su
per Seam cement) will llift this stuff.
I bought a quart of the expensive two-part epoxy varnish from AS&S that I a
m not going to use. Never opened. Anyone want to buy it off of me at a di
scount to get some of my money back??
Gene
From: raykrause@frontiernet.net
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Paint discussion ad nauseum
Is the Stewert System glue particular about the varnish that is used under
it? My son-in-law owns the Benjamin Moore paint store in town and recommend
ed a fancy water based varnish that has very high UV protection and is supe
r easy to use=2C glossy and totally waterproof...but very expensive. Start
ed using it on the interior of the fuselage where I will not be able to get
to later on.
Ray Krause
Sky Scout
----- Original Message -----
From: Gene Rambo
Sent: Friday=2C February 04=2C 2011 9:36 PM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Paint discussion ad nauseum
not the finish=2C but the cement is MEK based!! That is why I am using Stew
art Systems cement to cover=2C even though I am using dope for the finish.
Stewart even blessed me doing that=2C said dope wont hurt the glue. And I
thought they would say I had to use their finishes . . .
Gene Rambo
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Paint discussion ad nauseum
> From: kevin.purtee@us.army.mil
> Date: Fri=2C 4 Feb 2011 21:07:46 -0800
> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
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.mil>
>
> BTW: MEK is only the cleaning solvent. I'm pretty darn sure that none of
the poly-fiber poly-tone products use MEK in the coatings.
>
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> Kevin "=3BAxel"=3B Purtee
> NX899KP
> Austin/Georgetown=2C TX
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Subject: | Re: Wing Strut Fitting Angle |
I also had to bend my wing strut fitting slightly to line up with the strut
s. I =0Aused a big crescent wrench after bolting them to the fuse. Cheers,
Gardiner=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A________________________________=0AFrom: l.morloc
k <l.morlock@att.net>=0ATo: pietenpol-list@matronics.com=0ASent: Sun, Febru
ary 6, 2011 10:29:25 AM=0ASubject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Wing Strut Fitting A
ngle=0A=0A =0AThe ayes have it! Jack, Dan and Dave all agree I should be
able to bend the =0Atabs in place to get the correct angle to match the an
gle of the wing struts. =0AI'll give it a try.=0A =0AJack, I don't see any
way to change the strut ends to match the angle of the =0Afitting tabs an
d keep the load along the axis of the strut. I think this is =0Athe basic
problem with modifying either the tabs or the struts, so bending the =0At
abs in place seems to be the best answer.=0A =0AThanks for the responses.
=0A =0A Larry=0A =0A----- Original Message ----- =0AFrom: Jack Philli
ps =0A>To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com =0A>Sent: Saturday, February 05, 20
11 10:20 AM=0A>Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Wing Strut Fitting Angle
=0A>=0A>=0A>Larry,=0A> =0A>Is it not possible to bend the tabs of your e
xisting fittings? If the bolts =0A>and longerons are strong enough to h
andle flight and landing loads, I would =0A>think that you could bend th
e tabs with a correctly designed lever without =0A>damaging the structur
e. =0A>=0A> =0A>I would make a lever out of a couple of pieces of subst
antial angle iron =93 =0A>maybe 8=99 long 2=9D x 2
=9D, welded together to make a T section (so you can apply =0A>a load wi
thout getting a twist) and weld some sort of receptacle on the end =0A>t
hat can slip over the tab on your fuselage fittings. Have a friend hold
the =0A>fuselage down and push up on the lever until you have the desir
ed result.=0A> =0A>Otherwise, your idea of an extra fitting to change
the angle can probably be =0A>made to work, but needs to be made so tha
t it applies the load along the axis =0A>of the strut. Can your struts
be modified to fit the 20 deg. Angle of your =0A>fittings? I know this
would impart some moment to the strut and fitting, but =0A>it probably w
ould not be too severe.=0A> =0A>Do you have any pictures of your fitting
and the end of your strut?=0A> =0A>Jack Phillips=0A>NX899JP
=9CIcarus Plummet=9D=0A>Raleigh, NC=0A> =0A>=0A________________
________________=0A =0A>From:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
=0A>[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Larry M
orlock=0A>Sent: Saturday, February 05, 2011 10:02 AM=0A>To: pietenpol-li
st@matronics.com=0A>Subject: Pietenpol-List: Wing Strut Fitting Angle=0A
> =0A>I need some advice on how to get the angle of the lower wing strut
fittings =0A>to match the angle of the wing struts. There are several
discussions on this =0A>in the archives, with the consensus being that t
he tabs should be bent up 30 =0A>degrees, rather than the 20 degrees sho
wn in the plans. =0A>=0A> =0A>My fuselage is already covered and now I f
ind that the tabs need to be bent =0A>up further to the required 30 degree
angle. I don=99t see any way to bend them =0A>in place without da
mage to the fuselage.=0A> =0A>So my question is, would it be OK to bo
lt an additional tab to the existing =0A>tab to get the correct angle?
I saw a Pietenpol with such an arrangement =0A>several years ago. It would
cause some bending stress on the existing tabs, =0A>but not sure if thi
s would be a problem.=0A> =0A>Any experience out there with this prob
============== =0A
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Subject: | Re: Shad's Piet... |
I was wondering the same thing. Don't know.
jm
-----Original Message-----
>From: K5YAC <hangar10@cox.net>
>Sent: Feb 6, 2011 9:14 AM
>To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Shad's Piet...
>
>
>Same here... and who were the folks working on the Piet wing?
>
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>Mark Chouinard
>Wings, Center Section and Empannage framed up - Working on Fuselage
>
>
>Read this topic online here:
>
>http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=329848#329848
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Raymond:
You might try calling Dean Montgomery in Corsicana, TX. d/b/a/ "Anxiety Air",
to discuss your installation and the symptoms. (908)874-3714. Deanie has rebuilt
four Strombergs for me, but besides that he is also building a Pietenpol
and is converting a Corvair to go on it. He's good people.
Oscar Zuniga
Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
San Antonio, TX
website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
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Subject: | Covering Processes |
>How long should a fabric and paint application last on a wood framed aircraft,
>before it is removed to merely inspect the frame? Ive been told 10 years is appropriate.
Are you interested in the frame, or the fabric? If your concern is the fabric
just being too old, you can determine that by punch testing it and save the
covering job if it's not weakening. A good fabric job should last a long, long
time. Of course besides the quality of the application it depends on where
you keep the plane and what the climate is like there. If your concern is the
paint job (cracking, fading, chalking), that's a separate topic too.
If your concern is inspecting the frame (due to dry rot, moisture, worry about
glue joints, or whatever), that's yet another thing. It may be necessary to
remove the covering to do that kind of inspection no matter what, although the
inspection cameras on a long flexible snake that are available nowadays are
pretty nifty for looking inside concealed areas.
>Dont think there is a real answer...making it rhetorical. Gary Homer Simpson Boothe
There is a surprising reflection of what middle-class America has become, in the
Simpsons.
And although I've never watched more than just a few minutes of a few of the episodes
in that series, I will say that Lisa blows a mean sax. I have "The Simpsons Sing
The Blues"
on CD and there are some very good cuts on it.
Oscar Zuniga
Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
San Antonio, TX
website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
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I was checking the FAA index to see what N numbers were available and discovered
that a namesake of mine, Jerry Aldrich, built or at least registered Pietenpol
N899A in 2002 in Alden, Iowa. What are the chances that two people with a
relatively uncommon last name would be involved in Pietenpols? Anybody run into
him or know what happened to his plane? The N-number expires this year on
October so it might be available...
Dave Aldrich
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Subject: | Wing Strut Fitting Angle |
Larry,
I liked Dan's suggestion about using a Crescent wrench to bend the tab. If
you find you don't have enough "Oooomph" with a wrench, try slipping a piece
of pipe over the end of the wrench to extend the handle. That should give
better leverage as well as finer control of the bend.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP "Icarus Plummet"
Raleigh, NC
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of l.morlock
Sent: Sunday, February 06, 2011 10:29 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Wing Strut Fitting Angle
The ayes have it! Jack, Dan and Dave all agree I should be able to bend the
tabs in place to get the correct angle to match the angle of the wing
struts. I'll give it a try.
Jack, I don't see any way to change the strut ends to match the angle of the
fitting tabs and keep the load along the axis of the strut. I think this is
the basic problem with modifying either the tabs or the struts, so bending
the tabs in place seems to be the best answer.
Thanks for the responses.
Larry
----- Original Message -----
From: Jack <mailto:pietflyr@bellsouth.net> Phillips
Sent: Saturday, February 05, 2011 10:20 AM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Wing Strut Fitting Angle
Larry,
Is it not possible to bend the tabs of your existing fittings? If the bolts
and longerons are strong enough to handle flight and landing loads, I would
think that you could bend the tabs with a correctly designed lever without
damaging the structure.
I would make a lever out of a couple of pieces of substantial angle iron -
maybe 8' long 2" x 2", welded together to make a T section (so you can
apply a load without getting a twist) and weld some sort of receptacle on
the end that can slip over the tab on your fuselage fittings. Have a friend
hold the fuselage down and push up on the lever until you have the desired
result.
Otherwise, your idea of an extra fitting to change the angle can probably be
made to work, but needs to be made so that it applies the load along the
axis of the strut. Can your struts be modified to fit the 20 deg. Angle of
your fittings? I know this would impart some moment to the strut and
fitting, but it probably would not be too severe.
Do you have any pictures of your fitting and the end of your strut?
Jack Phillips
NX899JP "Icarus Plummet"
Raleigh, NC
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[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Larry
Morlock
Sent: Saturday, February 05, 2011 10:02 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Wing Strut Fitting Angle
I need some advice on how to get the angle of the lower wing strut fittings
to match the angle of the wing struts. There are several discussions on
this in the archives, with the consensus being that the tabs should be bent
up 30 degrees, rather than the 20 degrees shown in the plans.
My fuselage is already covered and now I find that the tabs need to be bent
up further to the required 30 degree angle. I don't see any way to bend
them in place without damage to the fuselage.
So my question is, would it be OK to bolt an additional tab to the existing
tab to get the correct angle? I saw a Pietenpol with such an arrangement
several years ago. It would cause some bending stress on the existing tabs,
but not sure if this would be a problem.
Any experience out there with this problem? Any other suggestions?
Larry Morlock
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Subject: | Re: Paint discussion ad nauseum |
Gene,
Thanks for the response on the nails and the varnish. The loosening of
nails in the leading edge makes sense. But if the leading edge is glued
and nailed, it seems that the movement would be pretty minimal...guess
not. Back to varnishing!
Thanks again,
Ray Krause
----- Original Message -----
From: Gene Rambo
To: pietenpol-list
Sent: Sunday, February 06, 2011 8:27 AM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Paint discussion ad nauseum
No, the Stewart glue won't touch anything at all. I used Helmsman
semi-gloss poly varnish throughout, and the Stewart does not do anything
to it, nor does nitrate thinner. I think only MEK (and therefore
MEK-based Super Seam cement) will llift this stuff.
I bought a quart of the expensive two-part epoxy varnish from AS&S
that I am not going to use. Never opened. Anyone want to buy it off of
me at a discount to get some of my money back??
Gene
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From: raykrause@frontiernet.net
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Paint discussion ad nauseum
Date: Sat, 5 Feb 2011 16:28:33 -0800
Is the Stewert System glue particular about the varnish that is used
under it? My son-in-law owns the Benjamin Moore paint store in town and
recommended a fancy water based varnish that has very high UV protection
and is super easy to use, glossy and totally waterproof...but very
expensive. Started using it on the interior of the fuselage where I
will not be able to get to later on.
Ray Krause
Sky Scout
----- Original Message -----
From: Gene Rambo
To: pietenpol-list
Sent: Friday, February 04, 2011 9:36 PM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Paint discussion ad nauseum
not the finish, but the cement is MEK based!! That is why I am using
Stewart Systems cement to cover, even though I am using dope for the
finish. Stewart even blessed me doing that, said dope wont hurt the
glue. And I thought they would say I had to use their finishes . . .
Gene Rambo
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Paint discussion ad nauseum
> From: kevin.purtee@us.army.mil
> Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2011 21:07:46 -0800
> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
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<kevin.purtee@us.army.mil>
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> BTW: MEK is only the cleaning solvent. I'm pretty darn sure that
none of the poly-fiber poly-tone products use MEK in the coatings.
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> NX899KP
> Austin/Georgetown, TX
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Fellow Pieter's......
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Can anyone give me the travel on your horizontal elevator (in inches) appro
ximately? Trying to figure out if I have enough travel for my hand trim.
-
Ken H
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Subject: | Re: Elevator travel |
----- Original Message -----
From: KM Heide CPO/FAAOP
To: Pietenpol
Sent: Sunday, February 06, 2011 3:53 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Elevator travel
Fellow Pieter's......
Can anyone give me the travel on your horizontal elevator (in
inches) approximately? Trying to figure out if I have enough travel for
my hand trim.
Ken H
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Subject: | Re: Elevator travel |
I read somewhere that elevator travel should be about 30 degrees in each
direction. If anyone knows better, speak up.
----- Original Message -----
From: KM Heide CPO/FAAOP
To: Pietenpol
Sent: Sunday, February 06, 2011 3:53 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Elevator travel
Fellow Pieter's......
Can anyone give me the travel on your horizontal elevator (in
inches) approximately? Trying to figure out if I have enough travel for
my hand trim.
Ken H
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>From full down to full up my trailing edge moves 23"
Jack Phillips
NX899JP "Icarus Plummet"
Raleigh, NC
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[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of KM Heide
CPO/FAAOP
Sent: Sunday, February 06, 2011 3:54 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Elevator travel
Fellow Pieter's......
Can anyone give me the travel on your horizontal elevator (in inches)
approximately? Trying to figure out if I have enough travel for my hand
trim.
Ken H
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Subject: | Re: Elevator travel |
>From the LAA, in the UK (where amateur built aircraft are MUCH more regulated):
http://www.lightaircraftassociation.co.uk/engineering/TADs/047%20PIETENPOL%20AIRCAMPER.pdf
They recommend 20 degrees up and 20 degrees down for the elevators.
Mathematically, that works out to just over 6" up and 6" down.
Bill C.
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Subject: | Re: Ernest Kestler paint job?? |
I don't think I have the "Jewels" to try that, especially without an invert
ed oil/fuel system
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Shad
--- On Sat, 2/5/11, TriScout <apfelcyber@yahoo.com> wrote:
From: TriScout <apfelcyber@yahoo.com>
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Ernest Kestler paint job??
..actual spelling is "Ernst Kessler"... don't forget, you must do the 'outs
ide loop" if you finish that machine.
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le, List Admin.
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Subject: | Re: Piet Directory |
My name is Vic Groah=2C I have been building a Piet with may son Mike for t
he last three years. He is listed in the file. I would like to be as well
. I added my name to the enclosed file. I don't know if that is the right
way to do it. Thanks Vic.
> From: jack@textors.com
> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RE: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Piet Directory
> Date: Sat=2C 5 Feb 2011 19:59:39 -0600
>
> Ray=2C to be included in the list and receive a copy of the listing fill
out
> the attached file and return to me at jack@textors.com.
> Thanks=2C
> Jack
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ray Kraus
e
> Sent: Saturday=2C February 05=2C 2011 6:53 PM
> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Piet Directory
>
> <raykrause@frontiernet.net>
>
> I must have missed something=2C where is the list? Is it sent upon reques
t?
>
> Ray Krause
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Charles Campbell" <cncampbell@windstream.net>
> To: <pietenpol-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Saturday=2C February 05=2C 2011 12:15 PM
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Piet Directory
>
>
> > <cncampbell@windstream.net>
> >
> > Got the list OK now. Thanks.
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Jack" <jack@textors.com>
> > To: <pietenpol-list@matronics.com>
> > Sent: Saturday=2C February 05=2C 2011 12:02 PM
> > Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Piet Directory
> >
> >
> >>
> >> You bet!
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
> >> [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of gtche9
8
> >> Sent: Saturday=2C February 05=2C 2011 10:10 AM
> >> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> >> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Piet Directory
> >>
> >>
> >> Thanks again Jack for taking the time to put this together=2C and then
keep
>
> >> it
> >> updated. That is the hardest part.
> >>
> >> What a great resource!
> >>
> >> Do not archive
> >>
> >> --------
> >> Gary Wilson
> >> Greenville Wisconsin
> >> gtche98 (at) gmail ((dot)) com
> >> Planning Phase
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Read this topic online here:
> >>
> >> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=329716#329716
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Subject: | Re: clear doped look |
Rick - I've considered adding the following text to the passenger warning in the
front seat:
"You will, in fact, die. However, it probably won't be today, and it probably
won't happen in this airplane. Actually, it probably won't happen for many, many
more years. Enjoy your flight."
Now, back to sniffing MEK in AZ.
do not archive
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Kevin "Axel" Purtee
NX899KP
Austin/Georgetown, TX
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Subject: | Re: Piet Directory |
Thanks for doing all this, Jack. I looked through all the Texans and I have met,
personally, all but one. He's brand new so he hasn't come to visit yet. He's
got an RV, though, so I bet I'll see him when back from AZ next month.
I know a bunch of those other folks, too:).
I love this stuff.
do not archive
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Kevin "Axel" Purtee
NX899KP
Austin/Georgetown, TX
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