---------------------------------------------------------- Pietenpol-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Tue 02/08/11: 38 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 03:46 AM - Re: down to the fuselage (Dangerous Dave) 2. 04:04 AM - Re: Re: down to the fuselage (Charles Campbell) 3. 07:02 AM - Re: Room For Bungee Cord (Michael Perez) 4. 07:11 AM - From Everett WA.... (Jim Markle) 5. 07:51 AM - Re: need help with wiring (K5YAC) 6. 07:58 AM - Re: From Everett WA.... (aerocarjake) 7. 08:07 AM - Re: need help with wiring (Barry Davis) 8. 08:59 AM - Re: steel fuselage and engine weight (Jerry Dotson) 9. 09:29 AM - Re: Re: need help with wiring (Charles Campbell) 10. 09:33 AM - Re: Shad's Piet... (gtche98) 11. 09:40 AM - Re: Re: need help with wiring (Ryan Mueller) 12. 09:52 AM - Re: down to the fuselage (gtche98) 13. 10:04 AM - Re: need help with wiring (Rick Holland) 14. 10:48 AM - Re: UPDATE and return to life! (taildrags) 15. 10:54 AM - Re: need help with wiring (dgaldrich) 16. 11:24 AM - Re: Re: need help with wiring (Peter W Johnson) 17. 12:12 PM - Re: steel fuselage and engine weight (MPB) 18. 12:47 PM - Re: Re: steel fuselage and engine weight (Ryan Mueller) 19. 02:30 PM - Re: steel fuselage and engine weight (Bill Church) 20. 03:09 PM - Contintental Motor Mount question (Bill Church) 21. 03:24 PM - Re: Re: need help with wiring (Charles Campbell) 22. 03:24 PM - Re: Re: down to the fuselage (Charles Campbell) 23. 03:25 PM - Re: Contintental Motor Mount question (Ben Charvet) 24. 03:47 PM - Re: Contintental Motor Mount question (pineymb) 25. 03:59 PM - Re: Contintental Motor Mount question (Jack Phillips) 26. 04:03 PM - Re: down to the fuselage (Bill Church) 27. 04:11 PM - Flight of the Phoenix (helspersew@aol.com) 28. 04:54 PM - Re: Contintental Motor Mount question (Bill Church) 29. 04:55 PM - Re: Re: need help with wiring (Ryan Mueller) 30. 05:04 PM - Re: Re: Contintental Motor Mount question (Ben Charvet) 31. 05:54 PM - Re: Flight of the Phoenix (Rick Holland) 32. 08:01 PM - Re: Re: down to the fuselage (Clif Dawson) 33. 08:15 PM - Re: Room For Bungee Cord (Clif Dawson) 34. 08:43 PM - Re: Flight of the Phoenix (Gene Rambo) 35. 08:57 PM - room for bunge cord (Dick N) 36. 11:14 PM - Re: room for bunge cord (Clif Dawson) 37. 11:25 PM - Re: Flight of the Phoenix (Clif Dawson) 38. 11:31 PM - Re: Flight of the Phoenix (Clif Dawson) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 03:46:09 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: down to the fuselage From: "Dangerous Dave" Cliff,maybe we could get together and roast some marshmallows over some extra Piet ribs.LOL dave do not archive -------- Covering Piet Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=330115#330115 ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 04:04:06 AM PST US From: "Charles Campbell" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: down to the fuselage Reason for so many February births: count back 9 months from Feb -- comes out June. How many marriages in June? Do not archive ----- Original Message ----- From: "Clif Dawson" Sent: Tuesday, February 08, 2011 2:48 AM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: down to the fuselage > > Well! Nice to see us Februaries are recognized so grandly. > Feb 25 for me. >> >> All great people were born in February. Mine is the 18th. Chuck (Do not >> archive) > .B'day is the 26th-thanks Jack dave >>> >>> -------- >>> Covering Piet > > ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 07:02:58 AM PST US From: Michael Perez Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Room For Bungee Cord Thanks for the nice pictures guys. Clif, I see that you used cast wheels, care to share a picture of them? Hard to tell what they look like in bungee photo. Michael Perez Karetaker Aero www.karetakeraero.com ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 07:11:34 AM PST US From: Jim Markle Subject: Pietenpol-List: From Everett WA.... So how far is Issaquah from Everett? 30 minutes maybe? I'm in Everett for a couple days and would welcome a Piet visit while I'm here.... JM -----Original Message----- >From: aerocarjake >Sent: Feb 7, 2011 5:02 PM >To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com >Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: After years of reading I thought I'd finally sign up... > > >Jack, i'm in Issaquah WA, which is an eastside suburb of Seattle.... long ways from nc but I hope to visit Asheville later this year > >-------- >Jake Schultz - curator, >Newport Way Air Museum (OK, it's just my home) > > >Read this topic online here: > >http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=330070#330070 > > ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 07:51:09 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: need help with wiring From: "K5YAC" Douwe: I forget who originally offered this... it is not my work, but you might find if helpful. -------- Mark Chouinard Wings, Center Section and Empannage framed up - Working on Fuselage Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=330156#330156 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/piet_wiring_211.pdf ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 07:58:57 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: From Everett WA.... From: "aerocarjake" you bet... Issaquah is 34 miles from Everett call me on my cell if you would like to link up... Jake (cell) 245-260-1138 -------- Jake Schultz - curator, Newport Way Air Museum (OK, it's just my home) Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=330159#330159 ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 08:07:30 AM PST US From: "Barry Davis" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: need help with wiring Let me know what you need Barry Davis (If you contact me off-group, please put "EAA" somewhere in the subject line. I read all of those emails) _____ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Douwe Blumberg Sent: Monday, February 07, 2011 7:50 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: need help with wiring Hey all, I'm kinda getting close to wiring up my 0200. I'm going to leave the starter, generator and have a battery, but obviously other than that, a very minimal system. Just enough to start and run my smoke and a couple of cigarette adapters in the cockpit. I've been studying wiring diagrams in Bingilis' books and I pretty much get it, but am wondering if there's someone out there who is pretty comfortable with this stuff that would volunteer to walk me through it and answer questions along the way. Thanks! Douwe ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 08:59:19 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: steel fuselage and engine weight From: "Jerry Dotson" This has nothing to do with engine weight. Jack mentioned Roman Bukolt. If you look at my avatar you will see a 1/4 scale Fleet Model 2 biplane. It is over 10 years old and still is like new. Roman built the kit. He builds as good of a kit as I have ever seen. Just wanted to give kudos to him. -------- Jerry Dotson 59 Daniel Johnson Rd Baker, FL 32531 Started building NX510JD July, 2009 wing, tailfeathers done, fuselage rolling using Lycoming O-235 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=330172#330172 ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 09:29:34 AM PST US From: "Charles Campbell" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: need help with wiring Mark, I've been trying to get the post that you sent at 10:48 this morning. The link doesn't work. It keeps kicking off and I get a message to send an error report. Will you check it and see if it's the link or my computer? Tnx ----- Original Message ----- From: "K5YAC" Sent: Tuesday, February 08, 2011 10:48 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: need help with wiring > > Douwe: > > I forget who originally offered this... it is not my work, but you might > find if helpful. > > -------- > Mark Chouinard > Wings, Center Section and Empannage framed up - Working on Fuselage > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=330156#330156 > > > Attachments: > > http://forums.matronics.com//files/piet_wiring_211.pdf > > > ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 09:33:34 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Shad's Piet... From: "gtche98" Looks like an interesting program, but alas, Wisconsin PBS does not carry it, and $15 for a membership to the website to view episodes on line seems kinda steep. Oh well... -------- Gary Wilson Greenville Wisconsin gtche98 (at) gmail ((dot)) com Planning Phase Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=330175#330175 ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 09:40:49 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: need help with wiring From: Ryan Mueller The link works fine. Do you have a PDF reader installed on your computer? If not, I would recommend Foxit.....far less annoying than Adobe Reader: http://www.foxitsoftware.com/pdf/reader/addons.php Install like you did with OpenOffice..... Ryan On Tue, Feb 8, 2011 at 11:26 AM, Charles Campbell wrote: > cncampbell@windstream.net> > > Mark, I've been trying to get the post that you sent at 10:48 this morning. > The link doesn't work. It keeps kicking off and I get a message to send an > error report. Will you check it and see if it's the link or my computer? > Tnx > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "K5YAC" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, February 08, 2011 10:48 AM > Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: need help with wiring > > >> >> Douwe: >> >> I forget who originally offered this... it is not my work, but you might >> find if helpful. >> >> -------- >> Mark Chouinard >> Wings, Center Section and Empannage framed up - Working on Fuselage >> >> >> >> >> >> Read this topic online here: >> >> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=330156#330156 >> >> >> >> >> Attachments: >> >> http://forums.matronics.com//files/piet_wiring_211.pdf >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 09:52:29 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: down to the fuselage From: "gtche98" Feb 13 for me! -------- Gary Wilson Greenville Wisconsin gtche98 (at) gmail ((dot)) com Planning Phase Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=330177#330177 ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 10:04:57 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: need help with wiring From: Rick Holland Attached my CSC wiring diagram, may be able to learn something from it, just need to drop the coils, condenser, and coil switcher. On Mon, Feb 7, 2011 at 10:39 PM, Peter W Johnson wro te: > Douwe, > > > Attached is a copy of my 601XLB with an O-200. You can leave out a lot of > the stuff and the alternator will change to a generator. I have a diagram of > that somewhere if you would like. > > > Cheers > > > Peter > > Wonthaggi Australia > > http://www.cpc-world.com > > > *From:* owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto: > owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Douwe Blumberg > *Sent:* Tuesday, 8 February 2011 11:50 AM > *To:* pietenpolgroup > *Subject:* Pietenpol-List: need help with wiring > > > Hey all, > > > I=92m kinda getting close to wiring up my 0200. I=92m going to leave the > starter, generator and have a battery, but obviously other than that, a v ery > minimal system. Just enough to start and run my smoke and a couple of > cigarette adapters in the cockpit. > > > I=92ve been studying wiring diagrams in Bingilis=92 books and I pretty mu ch get > it, but am wondering if there=92s someone out there who is pretty comfort able > with this stuff that would volunteer to walk me through it and answer > questions along the way. > > > Thanks! > > > Douwe > > * * > > * * > > ** > > ** > > ** > > ** > > ** > > ** > > *http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List* > > ** > > ** > > ** > > *http://forums.matronics.com* > > ** > > ** > > ** > > ** > > *http://www.matronics.com/contribution* > > ** > > * * > > -- Rick Holland Castle Rock, Colorado "A Foolish Consistency is the Hobgoblin of Little Minds" ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 10:48:47 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: UPDATE and return to life! From: "taildrags" Mark: you failed to say in which state or city your new barn/shop is located. Whereabouts are you? -------- Oscar Zuniga San Antonio, TX Air Camper NX41CC Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=330190#330190 ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 10:54:24 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: need help with wiring From: "dgaldrich" Bob Nuckolls runs the Aerolectric forum here on Matronics and has some schematics available for download. They range from pretty simple to full IFR quad plasma panel RV-10 complex. Dave Aldrich do not archive Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=330191#330191 ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 11:24:15 AM PST US From: "Peter W Johnson" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: need help with wiring Mark, That was from my web site. Electricals show the Corvair coils etc. Cheers Peter Wonthaggi Australia http://www.cpc-world.com -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of K5YAC Sent: Wednesday, 9 February 2011 2:48 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: need help with wiring Douwe: I forget who originally offered this... it is not my work, but you might find if helpful. -------- Mark Chouinard Wings, Center Section and Empannage framed up - Working on Fuselage Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=330156#330156 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/piet_wiring_211.pdf ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 12:12:00 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: steel fuselage and engine weight From: "MPB" Well I guess I missed the conflicting dates... kinda obvious now that you point it out. The plans of the steel fuselage are titled "1937 AirCamper with 1960 Corvair Engine". Now that I look at it again it appears that the wing is swept back, I assume to correct for the CG shift with the lighter engine. Are there really any draw backs to shifting the wing back? Does it make more sense to build the extended wood fuselage instead? Are people still having to shift the wing with the extended wood fuselage? Thanks, Mike Prunedale, CA Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=330199#330199 ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 12:47:00 PM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: steel fuselage and engine weight From: Ryan Mueller The Corvair as Bernard converted it was probably pretty close to the weight of the Model A. If I recall correctly, the Model A is listed at roughly 245 lbs. A modern WW Corvair conversion is supposed to weigh in around 220-225, but that is having jettisoned a number of stock Corvair parts from the automotive application, so 245 for the Pietenpol conversion is probably about right. The extended fuselage gives you a little more room in the rear cockpit....depending on the person it can feel a little less cramped. It does not address CG issues. The only drawbacks to shifting the wing back are aesthetics (personal preference, really), and potentially more difficulty getting in the rear cockpit, which can be addressed with cutouts, flops, etc. Just don't tell Gene.... ;) Ryan On Tue, Feb 8, 2011 at 2:08 PM, MPB wrote: > > Well I guess I missed the conflicting dates... kinda obvious now that you > point it out. The plans of the steel fuselage are titled "1937 AirCamper > with 1960 Corvair Engine". Now that I look at it again it appears that the > wing is swept back, I assume to correct for the CG shift with the lighter > engine. Are there really any draw backs to shifting the wing back? Does it > make more sense to build the extended wood fuselage instead? Are people > still having to shift the wing with the extended wood fuselage? > Thanks, > Mike > Prunedale, CA > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=330199#330199 > > ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 02:30:11 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: steel fuselage and engine weight From: "Bill Church" Mike, I think I see where you're getting confused. The plan set issued by the Pietenpol family has one sheet that is actually two separate drawings, combined on one sheet. Actually it's one drawing, plus some weight and balance data. The bottom of the drawing sheet is the steel tube fuselage drawing, which is just a duplication of the same drawing that was included in the 1932 Flying and Glider Manual. The top part of the sheet is weight and balance data provided as an example - with the data obtained from one of BHP's actual planes in 1966 - in this case, Corvair powered. The data doesn't necessarily have anything to do with the steel tube fuselage. The top half of the drawing sheet has no connection to the bottom half. The only advantage of the long fuselage has to do with the height of the pilot and/or passenger. There is more leg room with the long fuselage, but, as Ryan said, it does nothing to address W&B issues. Whatever you build, keep the tail light. Bill C. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=330208#330208 ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 03:09:27 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Contintental Motor Mount question From: "Bill Church" I was going over the plans last night, thinking about the tubing I need to order for some of the metal work that I have ahead of me, and I noticed a detail in the plans for the Continental Motor Mount that isn't quite clear to me. The part in question is the "spool" for attachment of the engine to the mount. The drawing calls for 0.625 O.D. x .049 tube, to be reamed for a 7/16" bolt. Well, 0.625 x .049 tube has an inner diameter of 0.527", and 7/16" is .438", so that tube can't be reamed that size, since it's already bigger than that. Looking a little more closely at the drawing, it's actually drawn with a smaller tube inside the .625" tube. What's the deelio? Is the inner tube supposed to be loose, or is it welded to the outer tube? If it's welded, why not just used a thicker wall tube (.625" x .095")? If it is not welded, why not? Bill C. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=330209#330209 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/spool_detail_115.jpg ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 03:24:10 PM PST US From: "Charles Campbell" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: need help with wiring I installed Foxit and I also have a program called php tablet. Internet Explorer still kicks it off and wants me to send an error report. I'll wait until later -- maybe explorer is just goofed up right now. ----- Original Message ----- From: Ryan Mueller To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Tuesday, February 08, 2011 12:38 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: need help with wiring The link works fine. Do you have a PDF reader installed on your computer? If not, I would recommend Foxit.....far less annoying than Adobe Reader: http://www.foxitsoftware.com/pdf/reader/addons.php Install like you did with OpenOffice..... Ryan On Tue, Feb 8, 2011 at 11:26 AM, Charles Campbell wrote: Mark, I've been trying to get the post that you sent at 10:48 this morning. The link doesn't work. It keeps kicking off and I get a message to send an error report. Will you check it and see if it's the link or my computer? Tnx ----- Original Message ----- From: "K5YAC" To: Sent: Tuesday, February 08, 2011 10:48 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: need help with wiring Douwe: I forget who originally offered this... it is not my work, but you might find if helpful. -------- Mark Chouinard Wings, Center Section and Empannage framed up - Working on Fuselage Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=330156#330156 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/piet_wiring_211.pdf ========== st" target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List ========== http://forums.matronics.com ========== le, List Admin. ="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution ========== ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 03:24:42 PM PST US From: "Charles Campbell" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: down to the fuselage We need to have one big humongous party for all Februaryites. Do not archive ----- Original Message ----- From: "gtche98" Sent: Tuesday, February 08, 2011 12:50 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: down to the fuselage > > Feb 13 for me! > > -------- > Gary Wilson > Greenville Wisconsin > gtche98 (at) gmail ((dot)) com > Planning Phase > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=330177#330177 > > > ________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ Time: 03:25:25 PM PST US From: Ben Charvet Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Contintental Motor Mount question The "spool" gets a washer welded on either side that I reamed to fit the bolt. Ben Charvet On 2/8/2011 6:07 PM, Bill Church wrote: > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Bill Church" > > I was going over the plans last night, thinking about the tubing I need to order for some of the metal work that I have ahead of me, and I noticed a detail in the plans for the Continental Motor Mount that isn't quite clear to me. > The part in question is the "spool" for attachment of the engine to the mount. The drawing calls for 0.625 O.D. x .049 tube, to be reamed for a 7/16" bolt. Well, 0.625 x .049 tube has an inner diameter of 0.527", and 7/16" is .438", so that tube can't be reamed that size, since it's already bigger than that. > Looking a little more closely at the drawing, it's actually drawn with a smaller tube inside the .625" tube. What's the deelio? Is the inner tube supposed to be loose, or is it welded to the outer tube? If it's welded, why not just used a thicker wall tube (.625" x .095")? If it is not welded, why not? > > Bill C. > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=330209#330209 > > > Attachments: > > http://forums.matronics.com//files/spool_detail_115.jpg > > -- Ben Charvet, PharmD Staff Pharmacist Parrish Medical center ________________________________ Message 24 ____________________________________ Time: 03:47:37 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Contintental Motor Mount question From: "pineymb" That is exactly what I did Bill, ordered a 12" piece of the .625 x .095 4130 tubing reamed to fit 7/16 bolt. Might even have some extra lazer cut washers kickin" around if you want them. -------- Adrian M Winnipeg, MB Canada Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=330215#330215 ________________________________ Message 25 ____________________________________ Time: 03:59:00 PM PST US From: "Jack Phillips" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Contintental Motor Mount question Bill, I actually just bought some 4130 stock and had a machinist at work turn down the spools for me, then welded them to the mount. Jack Phillips NX899JP "Icarus Plummet" Raleigh, NC -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill Church Sent: Tuesday, February 08, 2011 6:07 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Contintental Motor Mount question I was going over the plans last night, thinking about the tubing I need to order for some of the metal work that I have ahead of me, and I noticed a detail in the plans for the Continental Motor Mount that isn't quite clear to me. The part in question is the "spool" for attachment of the engine to the mount. The drawing calls for 0.625 O.D. x .049 tube, to be reamed for a 7/16" bolt. Well, 0.625 x .049 tube has an inner diameter of 0.527", and 7/16" is .438", so that tube can't be reamed that size, since it's already bigger than that. Looking a little more closely at the drawing, it's actually drawn with a smaller tube inside the .625" tube. What's the deelio? Is the inner tube supposed to be loose, or is it welded to the outer tube? If it's welded, why not just used a thicker wall tube (.625" x .095")? If it is not welded, why not? Bill C. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=330209#330209 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/spool_detail_115.jpg ________________________________ Message 26 ____________________________________ Time: 04:03:38 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: down to the fuselage From: "Bill Church" My guess is that about 8 percent (1/12) of Pietenpol builders were born in February. Of course, the same goes for January, March, April, May,... BC do not archive Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=330217#330217 ________________________________ Message 27 ____________________________________ Time: 04:11:20 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Flight of the Phoenix From: helspersew@aol.com Mark R., A name for you to consider for your Piet. The Phoenix, as most of you proba bly know, was a mythical bird that comes back to life after death. Also one of the all-time great movies from 1965 with Jimmy Stewart. J.S. is the cor p. oil company pilot flying a C-119 Flying Boxcar with a handful of oil com pany employees over the Sahara when they run into a sandstorm and crash in the middle of nowhere. With limited provisions and water, they proceed to c ut the airplane apart and re-build it into an escape craft. The best scene is near the end, the day before they are going to try it, when J.S. discove rs that they have been following the direction of a TOY airplane designer. J.S. breaks out into a delirious rage and is on the verge of loosing it. Th en the next day (what was with those shotgun charges anyway?) they finally get the one engine started and all the survivors line up all along the top of the wing, right behind these giant lexan spoilers to attempt a take-off. The thing miraculously lifts off and they all fly over to an oasis with pa lm trees and land safely to a joyous rush into the pond. A real classic. I think I'll go out and rent it again. :O) Dan Helsper Poplar Grove, IL. do not archive ________________________________ Message 28 ____________________________________ Time: 04:54:52 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Contintental Motor Mount question From: "Bill Church" Okay, gents, thanks for confirming that I wasn't just imagining things. So why do you suppose the part was drawn that way (tube inside a tube)? Ben, the plans don't show a washer welded on the back side. Did you use the same size washer in the back? Seems like there might not be enough space there, with the tubes converging from behind. Bill C. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=330222#330222 ________________________________ Message 29 ____________________________________ Time: 04:55:52 PM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: need help with wiring From: Ryan Mueller PHP is a web programming "language"......I don't think there is actually a program called PHP Tablet. It's a normal PDF file, so if you have a viewer installed it should work. It's possible that there might be an association mixup in Windows, which IE would feed off of. Offer still stands, if you want me to hop on and take look let me know and we can arrange it. It's a one time connection, and I would not be able to access your computer ever again (unless you accepted another Gotomeeting from me). Not a bad thing to resolve anyhow, as you'll probably run across more PDFs as a matter of course. Ryan On Tue, Feb 8, 2011 at 5:18 PM, Charles Campbell wrote: > I installed Foxit and I also have a program called php tablet. Internet > Explorer still kicks it off and wants me to send an error report. I'll wait > until later -- maybe explorer is just goofed up right now. > > ----- Original Message ----- > *From:* Ryan Mueller > *To:* pietenpol-list@matronics.com > *Sent:* Tuesday, February 08, 2011 12:38 PM > *Subject:* Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: need help with wiring > > The link works fine. Do you have a PDF reader installed on your computer? > If not, I would recommend Foxit.....far less annoying than Adobe Reader: > > http://www.foxitsoftware.com/pdf/reader/addons.php > > Install like you did > with OpenOffice..... > > Ryan > > On Tue, Feb 8, 2011 at 11:26 AM, Charles Campbell < > cncampbell@windstream.net> wrote: > >> cncampbell@windstream.net> >> >> Mark, I've been trying to get the post that you sent at 10:48 this >> morning. The link doesn't work. It keeps kicking off and I get a message to >> send an error report. Will you check it and see if it's the link or my >> computer? Tnx >> >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "K5YAC" >> To: >> Sent: Tuesday, February 08, 2011 10:48 AM >> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: need help with wiring >> >> >> >>> >>> Douwe: >>> >>> I forget who originally offered this... it is not my work, but you might >>> find if helpful. >>> >>> -------- >>> Mark Chouinard >>> Wings, Center Section and Empannage framed up - Working on Fuselage >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Read this topic online here: >>> >>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=330156#330156 >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Attachments: >>> >>> http://forums.matronics.com//files/piet_wiring_211.pdf >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> ========== >> st" target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List >> ========== >> http://forums.matronics.com >> ========== >> le, List Admin. >> ="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution >> ========== >> >> >> >> > * > > href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List > href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com > href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c* > > * > > * > > ________________________________ Message 30 ____________________________________ Time: 05:04:02 PM PST US From: Ben Charvet Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Contintental Motor Mount question You are right, there is no washer on the back of mine. I think I must have used a tube thick enough that the bolts fit tight. Sorry for the bad info, but I wasn't looking at the mount when I responded, and its been 3 or 4 years since I made it. Ben On 2/8/2011 7:52 PM, Bill Church wrote: > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Bill Church" > > Okay, gents, thanks for confirming that I wasn't just imagining things. So why do you suppose the part was drawn that way (tube inside a tube)? > > Ben, the plans don't show a washer welded on the back side. Did you use the same size washer in the back? Seems like there might not be enough space there, with the tubes converging from behind. > > Bill C. > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=330222#330222 > > -- Ben Charvet, PharmD Staff Pharmacist Parrish Medical center ________________________________ Message 31 ____________________________________ Time: 05:54:04 PM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Flight of the Phoenix From: Rick Holland And a stunt pilot died making that movie. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n82nN_lqn58 On Tue, Feb 8, 2011 at 5:09 PM, wrote: > Mark R., > > A name for you to consider for your Piet. The Phoenix, as most of you > probably know, was a mythical bird that comes back to life after death. Also > one of the all-time great movies from 1965 with Jimmy Stewart. J.S. is the > corp. oil company pilot flying a C-119 Flying Boxcar with a handful of oil > company employees over the Sahara when they run into a sandstorm and crash > in the middle of nowhere. With limited provisions and water, they proceed to > cut the airplane apart and re-build it into an escape craft. The best scene > is near the end, the day before they are going to try it, when J.S. > discovers that they have been following the direction of a *TOY* airplane > designer. J.S. breaks out into a delirious rage and is on the verge of > loosing it. Then the next day (what was with those shotgun charges anyway?) > they finally get the one engine started and all the survivors line up all > along the top of the wing, right behind these giant lexan spoilers to > attempt a take-off. The thing miraculously lifts off and they all fly over > to an oasis with palm trees and land safely to a joyous rush into the pond. > A real classic. I think I'll go out and rent it again. :O) > > Dan Helsper > Poplar Grove, IL. > > do not archive > > * > > * > > -- Rick Holland Castle Rock, Colorado "A Foolish Consistency is the Hobgoblin of Little Minds" ________________________________ Message 32 ____________________________________ Time: 08:01:08 PM PST US From: "Clif Dawson" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: down to the fuselage Now there's an idea! On the other hand we could just barby the ribs. I understand they go well with that special sauce poymek. :-) Clif do not archive > > Cliff,maybe we could get together and roast some marshmallows over some > extra Piet ribs.LOL dave > > do not archive ________________________________ Message 33 ____________________________________ Time: 08:15:21 PM PST US From: "Clif Dawson" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Room For Bungee Cord Sure, here's a couple. First is with the outer hub extension I made. The second details the bronze bearing on the inner end. the third is with a matboard cover pattern. More here; http://www.clifdawson.ca/Homepage4-10-06/Pietenpol10.html Clif Clif, I see that you used cast wheels, care to share a picture of them? Michael Perez ________________________________ Message 34 ____________________________________ Time: 08:43:20 PM PST US From: Gene Rambo Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Flight of the Phoenix and it was based=2C in part=2C on a true story!! Gene do not archive Subject: Pietenpol-List: Flight of the Phoenix From: helspersew@aol.com Mark R.=2C A name for you to consider for your Piet. The Phoenix=2C as most of you pro bably know=2C was a mythical bird that comes back to life after death. Also one of the all-time great movies from 1965 with Jimmy Stewart. J.S. is the corp. oil company pilot flying a C-119 Flying Boxcar with a handful of oil company employees over the Sahara when they run into a sandstorm and crash in the middle of nowhere. With limited provisions and water=2C they procee d to cut the airplane apart and re-build it into an escape craft. The best scene is near the end=2C the day before they are going to try it=2C when J. S. discovers that they have been following the direction of a TOY airplane designer. J.S. breaks out into a delirious rage and is on the verge of loos ing it. Then the next day (what was with those shotgun charges anyway?) the y finally get the one engine started and all the survivors line up all alon g the top of the wing=2C right behind these giant lexan spoilers to attempt a take-off. The thing miraculously lifts off and they all fly over to an o asis with palm trees and land safely to a joyous rush into the pond. A real classic. I think I'll go out and rent it again. :O) Dan Helsper Poplar Grove=2C IL. do not archive ________________________________ Message 35 ____________________________________ Time: 08:57:34 PM PST US From: "Dick N" Subject: Pietenpol-List: room for bunge cord Hi Cliff I looked at your pics and noticed that you dont have any guards against the bolts. You might want to get a piece of leather or PVC to wrap around the bottoms to protect the bungee from wearing out. Dick N. ________________________________ Message 36 ____________________________________ Time: 11:14:55 PM PST US From: "Clif Dawson" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: room for bunge cord Yeah, I've got to do something there. I just haven't figured out what yet. This is a big part of that 90% done and 90% to go thing, isn't it! Of course I didn't notice anything awry until I'd finished. Right!! :-) Clif Hi Cliff I looked at your pics and noticed that you dont have any guards against the bolts. You might want to get a piece of leather or PVC to wrap around the bottoms to protect the bungee from wearing out. Dick N. ________________________________ Message 37 ____________________________________ Time: 11:25:36 PM PST US From: "Clif Dawson" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Flight of the Phoenix (what was with those shotgun charges anyway?) Dan Helsper Poplar Grove, IL. do not archive ________________________________ Message 38 ____________________________________ Time: 11:31:35 PM PST US From: "Clif Dawson" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Flight of the Phoenix I can't believe I did that!! My fingers did the walking all by themselves. :-) Anyway, that's a shotgun starter. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coffman_engine_starter Wouldn't that be a kick at Broadhead? Line up a bunch of Piets. Gentlemen start your engines! Bang, bang, bang! Clif (what was with those shotgun charges anyway?) 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