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1. 04:15 AM - Re: Flight of the Phoenix (Charles Campbell)
2. 05:03 AM - A milestone (Kringle)
3. 05:28 AM - Re: A milestone (Gboothe5)
4. 05:36 AM - Re: A milestone (Jack Phillips)
5. 05:43 AM - Re: Room For Bungee Cord (Michael Perez)
6. 06:46 AM - Re: A milestone (Kenneth Howe)
7. 07:02 AM - Re: Flight of the Phoenix (Dave Abramson)
8. 07:24 AM - Re: A milestone (Kringle)
9. 07:43 AM - Re: Flight of the Phoenix (dgaldrich)
10. 08:08 AM - Re: Room For Bungee Cord (DOMIT)
11. 08:36 AM - Re: Room For Bungee Cord (Rick Holland)
12. 10:27 AM - drag wires (bender)
13. 11:04 AM - Re: leading edge plywood (Mild Bill)
14. 11:24 AM - Re: Re: leading edge plywood (Ryan Mueller)
15. 12:05 PM - Re: Re: leading edge plywood (airlion)
16. 12:34 PM - Re: drag wires (Dangerous Dave)
17. 01:42 PM - Re: From Everett WA.... (BYD)
18. 02:20 PM - Re: Re: From Everett WA.... (Jim Markle)
19. 02:32 PM - Re: drag wires (Charles Campbell)
20. 02:43 PM - Tail Section Hinges (tdudley@umn.edu)
21. 02:47 PM - Re: Re: From Everett WA.... (gboothe5@comcast.net)
22. 02:55 PM - Re: Tail Section Hinges (Ryan Mueller)
23. 03:16 PM - Re: Tail Section Hinges (tdudley@umn.edu)
24. 03:46 PM - Re: Tail Section Hinges (echobravo4)
25. 04:06 PM - Re: Re: Tail Section Hinges (Gboothe5)
26. 04:21 PM - Re: Re: UPDATE and return to life! (Mark Roberts)
27. 04:27 PM - Re: Tail Section Hinges (K5YAC)
28. 04:28 PM - Plans for a good fuse workbench (Mark Roberts)
29. 04:31 PM - Re: Tail Section Hinges (tdudley@umn.edu)
30. 04:33 PM - Re: Tail Section Hinges (tdudley@umn.edu)
31. 04:46 PM - Re: Plans for a good fuse workbench (Scott Knowlton)
32. 04:46 PM - Re: Plans for a good fuse workbench (tdudley@umn.edu)
33. 04:47 PM - Re: Tail Section Hinges (K5YAC)
34. 04:49 PM - Re: Tail Section Hinges (tdudley@umn.edu)
35. 04:50 PM - Re: Re: Tail Section Hinges (gboothe5@comcast.net)
36. 05:11 PM - Re: Plans for a good fuse workbench (Wayne Bressler)
37. 05:12 PM - Re: Tail Section Hinges (tdudley@umn.edu)
38. 05:25 PM - Re: Re: Tail Section Hinges (gboothe5@comcast.net)
39. 05:46 PM - Re: Plans for a good fuse workbench (Piet2112)
40. 05:52 PM - Rudder Pedals (Jack)
41. 05:57 PM - Metal Parts (Jack)
42. 06:05 PM - Re: Rudder Pedals (gboothe5@comcast.net)
43. 06:12 PM - Re: Re: Tail Section Hinges (Kenneth Bickers)
44. 06:14 PM - Re: Plans for a good fuse workbench (K5YAC)
45. 06:37 PM - Re: Plans for a good fuse workbench (Chris)
46. 06:41 PM - cool weather flying (Dangerous Dave)
47. 07:57 PM - Re: Re: From Everett WA.... (Clif Dawson)
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| Subject: | Re: Flight of the Phoenix |
What it was with those shotgun shells is: that's the way some of the
big radial engines were started in the 40's before some brilliant
engineer thought up the direct drive starter. The first Hellcats we had
in the squadron had those shotgun shell starters.
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From: helspersew@aol.com
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, February 08, 2011 7:09 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Flight of the Phoenix
Mark R.,
A name for you to consider for your Piet. The Phoenix, as most of you
probably know, was a mythical bird that comes back to life after death.
Also one of the all-time great movies from 1965 with Jimmy Stewart. J.S.
is the corp. oil company pilot flying a C-119 Flying Boxcar with a
handful of oil company employees over the Sahara when they run into a
sandstorm and crash in the middle of nowhere. With limited provisions
and water, they proceed to cut the airplane apart and re-build it into
an escape craft. The best scene is near the end, the day before they are
going to try it, when J.S. discovers that they have been following the
direction of a TOY airplane designer. J.S. breaks out into a delirious
rage and is on the verge of loosing it. Then the next day (what was with
those shotgun charges anyway?) they finally get the one engine started
and all the survivors line up all along the top of the wing, right
behind these giant lexan spoilers to attempt a take-off. The thing
miraculously lifts off and they all fly over to an oasis with palm trees
and land safely to a joyous rush into the pond. A real classic. I think
I'll go out and rent it again. :O)
Dan Helsper
Poplar Grove, IL.
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Finished my ribs early this morning. Not a big deal but I had to tell somebody!
I actually enjoyed making every rib and reminding myself to "build to build,
not to fly". I believe my rib jig is now retired. On to the brackets for
the center section.
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John
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Congratulations!!
Gary
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[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Kringle
Sent: Wednesday, February 09, 2011 5:00 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: A milestone
Finished my ribs early this morning. Not a big deal but I had to tell
somebody! I actually enjoyed making every rib and reminding myself to
"build to build, not to fly". I believe my rib jig is now retired. On to
the brackets for the center section.
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John
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Good on you, John! Save your rib jig - if you ever need to make a
replacement rib you'll be glad you did, and otherwise it makes a nice
reminder of times when the project was simple and straightforward.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP "Icarus Plummet"
Raleigh, NC
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[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Kringle
Sent: Wednesday, February 09, 2011 8:00 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: A milestone
Finished my ribs early this morning. Not a big deal but I had to tell
somebody! I actually enjoyed making every rib and reminding myself to
"build to build, not to fly". I believe my rib jig is now retired. On to
the brackets for the center section.
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John
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| Subject: | Re: Room For Bungee Cord |
Thank you sir. Very interesting...I have already have in hand my new wire wheels...but
my second choice would be to use covers such as yours. Never thought about
some cast wheels and covers...very cool. (Nice little modification.)
Michael Perez
Karetaker Aero
www.karetakeraero.com
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Good job! Your jig for trimming the leading edges is pretty close to what I was
considering.
Ken
On Feb 9, 2011, at 4:59 AM, Kringle wrote:
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> Finished my ribs early this morning. Not a big deal but I had to tell somebody!
I actually enjoyed making every rib and reminding myself to "build to build,
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the center section.
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| Subject: | Flight of the Phoenix |
Yeah, I think it was the FAMOUS Paul Mantz!
Dave
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Rick Holland
Sent: Tuesday, February 08, 2011 5:51 PM
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Flight of the Phoenix
And a stunt pilot died making that movie.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n82nN_lqn58
On Tue, Feb 8, 2011 at 5:09 PM, <helspersew@aol.com> wrote:
Mark R.,
A name for you to consider for your Piet. The Phoenix, as most of you
probably know, was a mythical bird that comes back to life after death. Also
one of the all-time great movies from 1965 with Jimmy Stewart. J.S. is the
corp. oil company pilot flying a C-119 Flying Boxcar with a handful of oil
company employees over the Sahara when they run into a sandstorm and crash
in the middle of nowhere. With limited provisions and water, they proceed to
cut the airplane apart and re-build it into an escape craft. The best scene
is near the end, the day before they are going to try it, when J.S.
discovers that they have been following the direction of a TOY airplane
designer. J.S. breaks out into a delirious rage and is on the verge of
loosing it. Then the next day (what was with those shotgun charges anyway?)
they finally get the one engine started and all the survivors line up all
along the top of the wing, right behind these giant lexan spoilers to
attempt a take-off. The thing miraculously lifts off and they all fly over
to an oasis with palm trees and land safely to a joyous rush into the pond.
A real classic. I think I'll go out and rent it again. :O)
Dan Helsper
Poplar Grove, IL.
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The jig worked fine but when cutting the first couple of ribs I didn't have the
small backing block behind the top capstick and had some blowout. I know it
will be covered with plywood eventually but just wasn't acceptable.
John
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John
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| Subject: | Re: Flight of the Phoenix |
The B-52's and KC-135's had a similar sort of starter while sitting on alert but
the cartridge was about the size of a coffee can. The cloud produced when you
set off eight of them would incapacitate any ground crew in the area that weren't
wearing gas masks.
Dave
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| Subject: | Re: Room For Bungee Cord |
Out of curiousity, what do they weigh? And what did then come from? (what kind
of bike?)
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Brad "DOMIT" Smith
First rule of ground school: This is the ground... don't hit it going fast.
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| Subject: | Re: Room For Bungee Cord |
Great idea, why mess with spokes if you are going to add wheel covers
anyhow?
On Tue, Feb 8, 2011 at 9:11 PM, Clif Dawson <CDAWSON5854@shaw.ca> wrote:
> Sure, here's a couple. First is with the outer hub extension
> I made. The second details the bronze bearing on the
> inner end. the third is with a matboard cover pattern.
> More here; http://www.clifdawson.ca/Homepage4-10-06/Pietenpol10.html
> Clif
>
> Clif, I see that you used cast wheels, care to share a picture of them?
> Michael Perez
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I know this stuff comes up.... but
is anyone using tie rods..solid threaded rods for drag and anti-drag wires?
i just did an annual on a scout and it seems simple and no turnbuckles
the pitts special uses tie rods with hardwood blocks glued to the backside of the
spars and drilled through double nuts and done
wag aero has 50 and 56 inch 10-32 rods on sale for $15.. the 56 looks like it would
make 3 bays instead of two
just thinking.... about to start assembling the wing
BTW i saw the barrels on sale but any other good deals on turnbuckles out there
??
jeff
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| Subject: | Re: leading edge plywood |
Eh. Why bother with plywood on the leading edge at all?
The Brown B-2 "Miss Los Angeles" flew at over 230 mph with the only reinforcement
to the fabric covering being some false ribs supporting an extra layer of fabric
from the leading edge to the spar.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/sdasmarchives/4590351468/in/photostream/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/sdasmarchives/4590350390/in/photostream/
The second photo shows just barely enough of the wing to reveal the fabric going
all the way to the leading edge. I didn't find any better photos in a quick
search, but the fabric-only covering is confirmed by an entry in the April, 1935
issue of Aero Digest:
http://www.wingsofpeace.net/gallery/B/BrownB2MissLosAngeles/BrownB-2.html
So - easier, quicker, and cheaper than fussing with plywood or aluminum leading
edges, and lighter to boot. What say y'all?
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| Subject: | Re: leading edge plywood |
I'd say that's a smashing idea for your Miss Los Angeles replica. For a
Piet, the plans work pretty darn good.
Ryan
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On Wed, Feb 9, 2011 at 1:01 PM, Mild Bill <whfrank@charter.net> wrote:
>
> Eh. Why bother with plywood on the leading edge at all?
>
> The Brown B-2 "Miss Los Angeles" flew at over 230 mph with the only
> reinforcement to the fabric covering being some false ribs supporting an
> extra layer of fabric from the leading edge to the spar.
>
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/sdasmarchives/4590351468/in/photostream/
>
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/sdasmarchives/4590350390/in/photostream/
>
> The second photo shows just barely enough of the wing to reveal the fabric
> going all the way to the leading edge. I didn't find any better photos in a
> quick search, but the fabric-only covering is confirmed by an entry in the
> April, 1935 issue of Aero Digest:
>
> http://www.wingsofpeace.net/gallery/B/BrownB2MissLosAngeles/BrownB-2.html
>
> So - easier, quicker, and cheaper than fussing with plywood or aluminum
> leading edges, and lighter to boot. What say y'all?
>
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| Subject: | Re: leading edge plywood |
--- On Wed, 2/9/11, Ryan Mueller <rmueller23@gmail.com> wrote:
From: Ryan Mueller <rmueller23@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: leading edge plywood
I'd say that's a smashing idea for your Miss Los Angeles replica. For a Piet, the
plans work pretty darn good.
Ryan
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On Wed, Feb 9, 2011 at 1:01 PM, Mild Bill <whfrank@charter.net> wrote:
Eh. Why bother with plywood on the leading edge at all?
The Brown B-2 "Miss Los Angeles" flew at over 230 mph with the only reinforcement
to the fabric covering being some false ribs supporting an extra layer of fabric
from the leading edge to the spar.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/sdasmarchives/4590351468/in/photostream/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/sdasmarchives/4590350390/in/photostream/
The second photo shows just barely enough of the wing to reveal the fabric going
all the way to the leading edge. I didn't find any better photos in a quick
search, but the fabric-only covering is confirmed by an entry in the April, 1935
issue of Aero Digest:
http://www.wingsofpeace.net/gallery/B/BrownB2MissLosAngeles/BrownB-2.html
So - easier, quicker, and cheaper than fussing with plywood or aluminum leading
edges, and lighter to boot. What say y'all?
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You could probably do it but you'd have to investigate what the angles would be
and if the rods would make it through the webs on the ribs.The ribs are not spaced
all the same,could be a bugger.dave
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| Subject: | Re: From Everett WA.... |
Jake - be sure to research "Markle" in the archives before he visits!
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| Subject: | Re: From Everett WA.... |
Oh great....and I already had a "radial sized" box ready for my return trip! :-)
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>Sent: Feb 9, 2011 1:38 PM
>To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: From Everett WA....
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>Jake - be sure to research "Markle" in the archives before he visits!
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Check B & B Aircraft Supplies. PO Box 37, Gardner, Kansas 66030, Phone (913)
884-5930. I bought all my turnbuckles for $7.50 each.-----
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From: "bender" <jfaith@solairusaviation.com>
Sent: Wednesday, February 09, 2011 1:24 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: drag wires
> <jfaith@solairusaviation.com>
>
> I know this stuff comes up.... but
> is anyone using tie rods..solid threaded rods for drag and anti-drag
> wires?
> i just did an annual on a scout and it seems simple and no turnbuckles
>
> the pitts special uses tie rods with hardwood blocks glued to the backside
> of the spars and drilled through double nuts and done
>
> wag aero has 50 and 56 inch 10-32 rods on sale for $15.. the 56 looks like
> it would make 3 bays instead of two
>
> just thinking.... about to start assembling the wing
>
> BTW i saw the barrels on sale but any other good deals on turnbuckles out
> there ??
>
> jeff
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=330306#330306
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| Subject: | Tail Section Hinges |
Worried about the tail hinges (and metal work in general), I looked for and found
a privately-owned welding shop about ten miles from my home. I showed one
of the employees the plan for the tail section hinges. He brought me into the
shop and made a hinge from scratch in under 30 minutes while I watched (the final
product would be a bit more fine-tuned). He told me that he'd be able to
build them for me if I wanted, but better yet, he told me he'd help me make all
the pieces myself. I'd pay him by the hour to help, but that included all
the tools for cutting, bending, drilling, and TIG welding the pieces. His estimate
was really reasonable.
You've just got to love small shops in rural Minnesota.
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| Subject: | Re: From Everett WA.... |
Gotta worry when JM shows up for a "friendly" visit pushing a hand cart...
Gary
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Sent: Feb 9, 2011 2:15 PM
Oh great....and I already had a "radial sized" box ready for my return trip! :-)
-----Original Message-----
>From: BYD <billsayre@ymail.com>
>Sent: Feb 9, 2011 1:38 PM
>To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: From Everett WA....
>
>
>Jake - be sure to research "Markle" in the archives before he visits!
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| Subject: | Re: Tail Section Hinges |
About $60 in a check to Vi Kapler, and no more worries on your part.
Ryan
do not archive
On Wed, Feb 9, 2011 at 4:40 PM, tdudley@umn.edu <tdudley@umn.edu> wrote:
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> Worried about the tail hinges (and metal work in general), I looked for and
> found a privately-owned welding shop about ten miles from my home. I showed
> one of the employees the plan for the tail section hinges. He brought me
> into the shop and made a hinge from scratch in under 30 minutes while I
> watched (the final product would be a bit more fine-tuned). He told me that
> he'd be able to build them for me if I wanted, but better yet, he told me
> he'd help me make all the pieces myself. I'd pay him by the hour to help,
> but that included all the tools for cutting, bending, drilling, and TIG
> welding the pieces. His estimate was really reasonable.
>
> You've just got to love small shops in rural Minnesota.
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Tail Section Hinges |
$60 is all Vi Kapler charges for the tail section hinges? What about the other
metal parts? Contact #'s?
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| Subject: | Re: Tail Section Hinges |
Here is is info-
Vitalis Kapler
507-288-3322
1033 Forest Hills Dr. SW
Rochester, MN 55902
I ordered mine a couple of months ago and they were $70
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Earl Brown
I may not have gone where I intended to go, but I think I have ended up where I
intended to be.
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| Subject: | Re: Tail Section Hinges |
T
Just curious...is there a reason why you cannot do the fittings, or do not
want to? All it takes is band saw with a metal cutting blade and a gas
welding set up (well, and a few other items). I know welding sounds
daunting, but, believe me, it's one of the most rewarding parts of the whole
project!
Gary Boothe
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Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Tail Section Hinges
$60 is all Vi Kapler charges for the tail section hinges? What about the
other metal parts? Contact #'s?
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| Subject: | Re: UPDATE and return to life! |
Hi Oscar!
I'm in the central part of California (unfortunately... The only thing
that would make this relo better is if it was somewhere east of the CA
boarder....)
We are in Fresno, CA and this place is out of the main city atrea and
out a little bit into the country.
I first discovered YOU on the web in my initial searchg for planes to
build as I stumbled across the Squirrel website. When I saw you
posting here I realized you had made the jump to the Piet :o)
Mark
On Tue, Feb 8, 2011 at 10:46 AM, taildrags <taildrags@hotmail.com> wrote:
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> Mark: you failed to say in which state or city your new barn/shop is located.
Whereabouts are you?
>
> --------
> Oscar Zuniga
> San Antonio, TX
> Air Camper NX41CC
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| Subject: | Re: Tail Section Hinges |
Yep, got mine from Vi at Brodhead for $70. They are nice. I agree that they would
be easy to make, but his are ready to mount... all I had to do was router
the recess and drill mounting holes.
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Mark Chouinard
Wings, Center Section and Empannage framed up - Working on Fuselage
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| Subject: | Plans for a good fuse workbench |
Hi All:
I am not remembering off hand where I saw a design for a solid free
standing workbench for the fuse, and eventually for the wing and
stab/fin. I have a wall mounted, solid core door workbench made of 2
solid core doors, butted together and attached to the wall. I want to
use these as the top of the bench, and build a solid base to mount
these 36" x 96" doors to. I am thinking I saw some plans somewhere
that drew out a bench that would be free standing and solid like this,
and I can't find it in my stuff. Anyone have a link or a scan of this
kind of thing? I figure I can design my own, but I'd rather not as I'd
rather be thinking of building the fuse :o)
Thanks for any advice!
Mark
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| Subject: | Re: Tail Section Hinges |
Gary,
I do want to make the metal fittings; I want to do everything I can on this project.
After meeting with the guy this morning, I got the impression I'd be able
to build the parts myself with his assistance. That's the part that got me
excited.
I'd guess that with a little early mentorship in the welding department, I'd gain
the skills needed to get most of the other parts done. I believe you when
you say learning the skill is very rewarding.
Tom
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| Subject: | Re: Tail Section Hinges |
Mark,
Maybe in direct contrast to my last post, what was the turn around time to get
the hinges? Does Vi supply all metal parts?
Tom
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| Subject: | Re: Plans for a good fuse workbench |
Check the EAA plans for work benches. I built two five footers and another 4 footer.
They are great sturdy all purpose benches with easy to follow plans.
Scott Knowlton
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From: Mark Roberts <mark.rbrts1@gmail.com>
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Plans for a good fuse workbench
Hi All:
I am not remembering off hand where I saw a design for a solid free
standing workbench for the fuse, and eventually for the wing and
stab/fin. I have a wall mounted, solid core door workbench made of 2
solid core doors, butted together and attached to the wall. I want to
use these as the top of the bench, and build a solid base to mount
these 36" x 96" doors to. I am thinking I saw some plans somewhere
that drew out a bench that would be free standing and solid like this,
and I can't find it in my stuff. Anyone have a link or a scan of this
kind of thing? I figure I can design my own, but I'd rather not as I'd
rather be thinking of building the fuse :o)
Thanks for any advice!
Mark
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| Subject: | Re: Plans for a good fuse workbench |
Mark,
There is a good description of building a solid workbench in the January, 2010
issue of EAA SportAviation. You can download a copy from the archives. I used
it to build my tables. (I'd link it, but I'm not computer saavy enough.)
Tom
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| Subject: | Re: Tail Section Hinges |
In my experience, turn around was quick... as quick I could count out three 20s
and a 10, we shook hands and I told him Thanks! He had the hinges for sale at
Brodhead.
Give him a call.... maybe he has a set or two ready to ship.
--------
Mark Chouinard
Wings, Center Section and Empannage framed up - Working on Fuselage
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| Subject: | Re: Tail Section Hinges |
Mark,
I should have realized that before I posted--I did read you got it from him at
Brodhead.
Tom
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| Subject: | Re: Tail Section Hinges |
Oh...and I purchased the VK hinges, despite what I just said! Happy building!
Gary
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Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Tail Section Hinges
Sent: Feb 9, 2011 4:28 PM
Gary,
I do want to make the metal fittings; I want to do everything I can on this project.
After meeting with the guy this morning, I got the impression I'd be able
to build the parts myself with his assistance. That's the part that got me
excited.
I'd guess that with a little early mentorship in the welding department, I'd gain
the skills needed to get most of the other parts done. I believe you when
you say learning the skill is very rewarding.
Tom
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| Subject: | Re: Plans for a good fuse workbench |
Mark,
Here's a link: http://www.oshkosh365.org/ok365_DiscussionBoardTopic.aspx?id=1235&boardid=147&forumid=175&topicid=3592
Plans are about half way down the page.
Wayne Bressler
Taildraggers, Inc.
www.taildraggersinc.com
On Feb 9, 2011, at 7:23 PM, Mark Roberts <mark.rbrts1@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Hi All:
>
> I am not remembering off hand where I saw a design for a solid free
> standing workbench for the fuse, and eventually for the wing and
> stab/fin. I have a wall mounted, solid core door workbench made of 2
> solid core doors, butted together and attached to the wall. I want to
> use these as the top of the bench, and build a solid base to mount
> these 36" x 96" doors to. I am thinking I saw some plans somewhere
> that drew out a bench that would be free standing and solid like this,
> and I can't find it in my stuff. Anyone have a link or a scan of this
> kind of thing? I figure I can design my own, but I'd rather not as I'd
> rather be thinking of building the fuse :o)
>
> Thanks for any advice!
>
> Mark
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Tail Section Hinges |
So Gary, you're saying it wouldn't be too much a compromise to buy the hinges?
Glad to hear it. I just got off the phone with Mr. Kapler. He said he could
send them to me this week. (I'll build the other metal parts!)
Kind of interesting--Vi said he bought one of his Piets from Ed Sampson in Bellview,
MN. I spoke with Ed on the phone a few weeks ago and he said I could drive
down to visit with him and talk building. Ed apparently built the Piet fuse
at the EAA museum. Lots of Piet knowledge within easy driving distance.
Tom
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| Subject: | Re: Tail Section Hinges |
You're in good hands! See you at Brodhead?
Gary
------Original Message------
From: tdudley@umn.edu
Sender: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
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Sent: Feb 9, 2011 5:08 PM
So Gary, you're saying it wouldn't be too much a compromise to buy the hinges?
Glad to hear it. I just got off the phone with Mr. Kapler. He said he could
send them to me this week. (I'll build the other metal parts!)
Kind of interesting--Vi said he bought one of his Piets from Ed Sampson in Bellview,
MN. I spoke with Ed on the phone a few weeks ago and he said I could drive
down to visit with him and talk building. Ed apparently built the Piet fuse
at the EAA museum. Lots of Piet knowledge within easy driving distance.
Tom
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| Subject: | Re: Plans for a good fuse workbench |
Here's the workbench I designed. It's 3-3'X5' tables bolted together. Long enough
a long fuse. You only need 2-4x8' sheets of plywood and 10-8'-2x4's.
Curt Merdan
Flower Mound, TX
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A couple of questions on the pedals. The plans call for them to be
mounted
2 =BD inches from the firewall. Is that enough distance? I=92m
planning to
place a washer between the pedal and the bracket. Should it be metal,
fiber, plastic, etc?
Thanks,
Jack
DSM
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I've purchased metal parts and very much enjoyed fabricating others. Ken
Perkins has many very well done parts for sale. His contact info:
Piet parts, welded and Model A parts.
Kenandvernaperkins@sbcglobal.net
913-764-6949
Jack
DSM
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| Subject: | Re: Rudder Pedals |
Jack,
That location is fine. You can locate the top of the pedals anywhere you want.
Gary Boothe
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| Subject: | Re: Tail Section Hinges |
Another reason for buying the Vi Kapler hinges, even if you could make
them yourself, is that it is a tangible way to have a connection back to Mr
.
Pietenpol himself.
I like the sentimentality of the hinges. Each time I ease the elevator bac
k
to climb out or squeeze the rudder to initiate a turn, I'll be paying homag
e
to the small group of people who turned prairie genius into everyman=92s
flying machines.
Cheers, Ken
On Wed, Feb 9, 2011 at 6:22 PM, <gboothe5@comcast.net> wrote:
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> You're in good hands! See you at Brodhead?
>
> Gary
> ------Original Message------
> From: tdudley@umn.edu
> Sender: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> ReplyTo: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Tail Section Hinges
> Sent: Feb 9, 2011 5:08 PM
>
>
> So Gary, you're saying it wouldn't be too much a compromise to buy the
> hinges? Glad to hear it. I just got off the phone with Mr. Kapler.
He
> said he could send them to me this week. (I'll build the other metal
> parts!)
>
> Kind of interesting--Vi said he bought one of his Piets from Ed Sampson i
n
> Bellview, MN. I spoke with Ed on the phone a few weeks ago and he said I
> could drive down to visit with him and talk building. Ed apparently buil
t
> the Piet fuse at the EAA museum. Lots of Piet knowledge within easy driv
ing
> distance.
>
> Tom
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
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| Subject: | Re: Plans for a good fuse workbench |
I don't have any written plans for my workbenches, I just built them to a comfortable
height (in my case about 42") and matched the dimentions to 4' x 8' x 5/8"
cabinet grade birch plywood. I used standard grade 1/2" plywood for the lower
shelf. I also bored 1" holes in the bottom of the legs to accept some 1"
aluminum round stock that I drilled and tapped to accept 3/8" x 16 bolts. I
tacked some heavy flat washers to the heads of 2" long 3/8" x 16 bolts and used
them as leveling feet, which worked out good, especially when I wanted to level
up for my fuselage work. Once I started applying spar varnish to my wing
ribs, I went ahead and applied a couple of coats to my workbench tops. I highly
recommend doing that... it looks nicer and is more durable.
These were the first things I built for the Pietenpol adventure.
They can be used separately, which is how I will normally keep them... (wow, that
seems like a long time ago).
Or they can be lined up end to end (16' long) and leveled up for a fuselage jig.
I guess it depends on what you have room for.
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Mark Chouinard
Wings, Center Section and Empannage framed up - Working on Fuselage
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| Subject: | Plans for a good fuse workbench |
I built my bench out of doors and 2x4s. Nothing fancy but worked great. You
will be a bit short in length but planed correctly and it works fine.
http://westcoastpiet.com/images/Chris%20Tracy/pictures.htm
Chris
Sacramento, Ca
Westcoastpiet.com
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Sent: Wednesday, February 09, 2011 4:24 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Plans for a good fuse workbench
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Hi All:
I am not remembering off hand where I saw a design for a solid free standing
workbench for the fuse, and eventually for the wing and stab/fin. I have a
wall mounted, solid core door workbench made of 2 solid core doors, butted
together and attached to the wall. I want to use these as the top of the
bench, and build a solid base to mount these 36" x 96" doors to. I am
thinking I saw some plans somewhere that drew out a bench that would be free
standing and solid like this, and I can't find it in my stuff. Anyone have a
link or a scan of this kind of thing? I figure I can design my own, but I'd
rather not as I'd rather be thinking of building the fuse :o)
Thanks for any advice!
Mark
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| Subject: | cool weather flying |
Winter at its best
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Covering Piet
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| Subject: | Re: From Everett WA.... |
Ah, but Jimmy, just think of all the shotgun shells you'd hafta buy!
AND you'd be peening the gears with every shot! Hahahahaha
> <jim_markle@mindspring.com>
>
> Oh great....and I already had a "radial sized" box ready for my return
> trip! :-)
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