---------------------------------------------------------- Pietenpol-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Wed 02/09/11: 47 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 04:15 AM - Re: Flight of the Phoenix (Charles Campbell) 2. 05:03 AM - A milestone (Kringle) 3. 05:28 AM - Re: A milestone (Gboothe5) 4. 05:36 AM - Re: A milestone (Jack Phillips) 5. 05:43 AM - Re: Room For Bungee Cord (Michael Perez) 6. 06:46 AM - Re: A milestone (Kenneth Howe) 7. 07:02 AM - Re: Flight of the Phoenix (Dave Abramson) 8. 07:24 AM - Re: A milestone (Kringle) 9. 07:43 AM - Re: Flight of the Phoenix (dgaldrich) 10. 08:08 AM - Re: Room For Bungee Cord (DOMIT) 11. 08:36 AM - Re: Room For Bungee Cord (Rick Holland) 12. 10:27 AM - drag wires (bender) 13. 11:04 AM - Re: leading edge plywood (Mild Bill) 14. 11:24 AM - Re: Re: leading edge plywood (Ryan Mueller) 15. 12:05 PM - Re: Re: leading edge plywood (airlion) 16. 12:34 PM - Re: drag wires (Dangerous Dave) 17. 01:42 PM - Re: From Everett WA.... (BYD) 18. 02:20 PM - Re: Re: From Everett WA.... (Jim Markle) 19. 02:32 PM - Re: drag wires (Charles Campbell) 20. 02:43 PM - Tail Section Hinges (tdudley@umn.edu) 21. 02:47 PM - Re: Re: From Everett WA.... (gboothe5@comcast.net) 22. 02:55 PM - Re: Tail Section Hinges (Ryan Mueller) 23. 03:16 PM - Re: Tail Section Hinges (tdudley@umn.edu) 24. 03:46 PM - Re: Tail Section Hinges (echobravo4) 25. 04:06 PM - Re: Re: Tail Section Hinges (Gboothe5) 26. 04:21 PM - Re: Re: UPDATE and return to life! (Mark Roberts) 27. 04:27 PM - Re: Tail Section Hinges (K5YAC) 28. 04:28 PM - Plans for a good fuse workbench (Mark Roberts) 29. 04:31 PM - Re: Tail Section Hinges (tdudley@umn.edu) 30. 04:33 PM - Re: Tail Section Hinges (tdudley@umn.edu) 31. 04:46 PM - Re: Plans for a good fuse workbench (Scott Knowlton) 32. 04:46 PM - Re: Plans for a good fuse workbench (tdudley@umn.edu) 33. 04:47 PM - Re: Tail Section Hinges (K5YAC) 34. 04:49 PM - Re: Tail Section Hinges (tdudley@umn.edu) 35. 04:50 PM - Re: Re: Tail Section Hinges (gboothe5@comcast.net) 36. 05:11 PM - Re: Plans for a good fuse workbench (Wayne Bressler) 37. 05:12 PM - Re: Tail Section Hinges (tdudley@umn.edu) 38. 05:25 PM - Re: Re: Tail Section Hinges (gboothe5@comcast.net) 39. 05:46 PM - Re: Plans for a good fuse workbench (Piet2112) 40. 05:52 PM - Rudder Pedals (Jack) 41. 05:57 PM - Metal Parts (Jack) 42. 06:05 PM - Re: Rudder Pedals (gboothe5@comcast.net) 43. 06:12 PM - Re: Re: Tail Section Hinges (Kenneth Bickers) 44. 06:14 PM - Re: Plans for a good fuse workbench (K5YAC) 45. 06:37 PM - Re: Plans for a good fuse workbench (Chris) 46. 06:41 PM - cool weather flying (Dangerous Dave) 47. 07:57 PM - Re: Re: From Everett WA.... (Clif Dawson) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 04:15:56 AM PST US From: "Charles Campbell" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Flight of the Phoenix What it was with those shotgun shells is: that's the way some of the big radial engines were started in the 40's before some brilliant engineer thought up the direct drive starter. The first Hellcats we had in the squadron had those shotgun shell starters. ----- Original Message ----- From: helspersew@aol.com To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Tuesday, February 08, 2011 7:09 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Flight of the Phoenix Mark R., A name for you to consider for your Piet. The Phoenix, as most of you probably know, was a mythical bird that comes back to life after death. Also one of the all-time great movies from 1965 with Jimmy Stewart. J.S. is the corp. oil company pilot flying a C-119 Flying Boxcar with a handful of oil company employees over the Sahara when they run into a sandstorm and crash in the middle of nowhere. With limited provisions and water, they proceed to cut the airplane apart and re-build it into an escape craft. The best scene is near the end, the day before they are going to try it, when J.S. discovers that they have been following the direction of a TOY airplane designer. J.S. breaks out into a delirious rage and is on the verge of loosing it. Then the next day (what was with those shotgun charges anyway?) they finally get the one engine started and all the survivors line up all along the top of the wing, right behind these giant lexan spoilers to attempt a take-off. The thing miraculously lifts off and they all fly over to an oasis with palm trees and land safely to a joyous rush into the pond. A real classic. I think I'll go out and rent it again. :O) Dan Helsper Poplar Grove, IL. do not archive ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 05:03:30 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: A milestone From: "Kringle" Finished my ribs early this morning. Not a big deal but I had to tell somebody! I actually enjoyed making every rib and reminding myself to "build to build, not to fly". I believe my rib jig is now retired. On to the brackets for the center section. -------- John Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=330256#330256 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/progress_004_2_191.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/progress_008_2_102.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/progress_007_2_141.jpg ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 05:28:35 AM PST US From: "Gboothe5" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: A milestone Congratulations!! Gary Do not archive -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Kringle Sent: Wednesday, February 09, 2011 5:00 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: A milestone Finished my ribs early this morning. Not a big deal but I had to tell somebody! I actually enjoyed making every rib and reminding myself to "build to build, not to fly". I believe my rib jig is now retired. On to the brackets for the center section. -------- John Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=330256#330256 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/progress_004_2_191.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/progress_008_2_102.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/progress_007_2_141.jpg ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 05:36:17 AM PST US From: "Jack Phillips" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: A milestone Good on you, John! Save your rib jig - if you ever need to make a replacement rib you'll be glad you did, and otherwise it makes a nice reminder of times when the project was simple and straightforward. Jack Phillips NX899JP "Icarus Plummet" Raleigh, NC -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Kringle Sent: Wednesday, February 09, 2011 8:00 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: A milestone Finished my ribs early this morning. Not a big deal but I had to tell somebody! I actually enjoyed making every rib and reminding myself to "build to build, not to fly". I believe my rib jig is now retired. On to the brackets for the center section. -------- John Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=330256#330256 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/progress_004_2_191.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/progress_008_2_102.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/progress_007_2_141.jpg ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 05:43:39 AM PST US From: Michael Perez Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Room For Bungee Cord Thank you sir. Very interesting...I have already have in hand my new wire wheels...but my second choice would be to use covers such as yours. Never thought about some cast wheels and covers...very cool. (Nice little modification.) Michael Perez Karetaker Aero www.karetakeraero.com ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 06:46:12 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: A milestone From: Kenneth Howe Good job! Your jig for trimming the leading edges is pretty close to what I was considering. Ken On Feb 9, 2011, at 4:59 AM, Kringle wrote: > > Finished my ribs early this morning. Not a big deal but I had to tell somebody! I actually enjoyed making every rib and reminding myself to "build to build, not to fly". I believe my rib jig is now retired. On to the brackets for the center section. > > -------- > John > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=330256#330256 > > > > > Attachments: > > http://forums.matronics.com//files/progress_004_2_191.jpg > http://forums.matronics.com//files/progress_008_2_102.jpg > http://forums.matronics.com//files/progress_007_2_141.jpg > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 07:02:22 AM PST US From: "Dave Abramson" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Flight of the Phoenix Yeah, I think it was the FAMOUS Paul Mantz! Dave -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Rick Holland Sent: Tuesday, February 08, 2011 5:51 PM To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Flight of the Phoenix And a stunt pilot died making that movie. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n82nN_lqn58 On Tue, Feb 8, 2011 at 5:09 PM, wrote: Mark R., A name for you to consider for your Piet. The Phoenix, as most of you probably know, was a mythical bird that comes back to life after death. Also one of the all-time great movies from 1965 with Jimmy Stewart. J.S. is the corp. oil company pilot flying a C-119 Flying Boxcar with a handful of oil company employees over the Sahara when they run into a sandstorm and crash in the middle of nowhere. With limited provisions and water, they proceed to cut the airplane apart and re-build it into an escape craft. The best scene is near the end, the day before they are going to try it, when J.S. discovers that they have been following the direction of a TOY airplane designer. J.S. breaks out into a delirious rage and is on the verge of loosing it. Then the next day (what was with those shotgun charges anyway?) they finally get the one engine started and all the survivors line up all along the top of the wing, right behind these giant lexan spoilers to attempt a take-off. The thing miraculously lifts off and they all fly over to an oasis with palm trees and land safely to a joyous rush into the pond. A real classic. I think I'll go out and rent it again. :O) Dan Helsper Poplar Grove, IL. do not archive " target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List tp://forums.matronics.com _blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution -- Rick Holland Castle Rock, Colorado "A Foolish Consistency is the Hobgoblin of Little Minds" ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 07:24:47 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: A milestone From: "Kringle" The jig worked fine but when cutting the first couple of ribs I didn't have the small backing block behind the top capstick and had some blowout. I know it will be covered with plywood eventually but just wasn't acceptable. John -------- John Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=330271#330271 ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 07:43:09 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Flight of the Phoenix From: "dgaldrich" The B-52's and KC-135's had a similar sort of starter while sitting on alert but the cartridge was about the size of a coffee can. The cloud produced when you set off eight of them would incapacitate any ground crew in the area that weren't wearing gas masks. Dave do not archive Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=330273#330273 ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 08:08:26 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Room For Bungee Cord From: "DOMIT" Out of curiousity, what do they weigh? And what did then come from? (what kind of bike?) -------- Brad "DOMIT" Smith First rule of ground school: This is the ground... don't hit it going fast. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=330280#330280 ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 08:36:58 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Room For Bungee Cord From: Rick Holland Great idea, why mess with spokes if you are going to add wheel covers anyhow? On Tue, Feb 8, 2011 at 9:11 PM, Clif Dawson wrote: > Sure, here's a couple. First is with the outer hub extension > I made. The second details the bronze bearing on the > inner end. the third is with a matboard cover pattern. > More here; http://www.clifdawson.ca/Homepage4-10-06/Pietenpol10.html > Clif > > Clif, I see that you used cast wheels, care to share a picture of them? > Michael Perez > -- Rick Holland Castle Rock, Colorado "A Foolish Consistency is the Hobgoblin of Little Minds" ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 10:27:17 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: drag wires From: "bender" I know this stuff comes up.... but is anyone using tie rods..solid threaded rods for drag and anti-drag wires? i just did an annual on a scout and it seems simple and no turnbuckles the pitts special uses tie rods with hardwood blocks glued to the backside of the spars and drilled through double nuts and done wag aero has 50 and 56 inch 10-32 rods on sale for $15.. the 56 looks like it would make 3 bays instead of two just thinking.... about to start assembling the wing BTW i saw the barrels on sale but any other good deals on turnbuckles out there ?? jeff Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=330306#330306 ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 11:04:04 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: leading edge plywood From: "Mild Bill" Eh. Why bother with plywood on the leading edge at all? The Brown B-2 "Miss Los Angeles" flew at over 230 mph with the only reinforcement to the fabric covering being some false ribs supporting an extra layer of fabric from the leading edge to the spar. http://www.flickr.com/photos/sdasmarchives/4590351468/in/photostream/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/sdasmarchives/4590350390/in/photostream/ The second photo shows just barely enough of the wing to reveal the fabric going all the way to the leading edge. I didn't find any better photos in a quick search, but the fabric-only covering is confirmed by an entry in the April, 1935 issue of Aero Digest: http://www.wingsofpeace.net/gallery/B/BrownB2MissLosAngeles/BrownB-2.html So - easier, quicker, and cheaper than fussing with plywood or aluminum leading edges, and lighter to boot. What say y'all? -------- Bill Frank Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=330313#330313 ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 11:24:47 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: leading edge plywood From: Ryan Mueller I'd say that's a smashing idea for your Miss Los Angeles replica. For a Piet, the plans work pretty darn good. Ryan do not archive On Wed, Feb 9, 2011 at 1:01 PM, Mild Bill wrote: > > Eh. Why bother with plywood on the leading edge at all? > > The Brown B-2 "Miss Los Angeles" flew at over 230 mph with the only > reinforcement to the fabric covering being some false ribs supporting an > extra layer of fabric from the leading edge to the spar. > > http://www.flickr.com/photos/sdasmarchives/4590351468/in/photostream/ > > http://www.flickr.com/photos/sdasmarchives/4590350390/in/photostream/ > > The second photo shows just barely enough of the wing to reveal the fabric > going all the way to the leading edge. I didn't find any better photos in a > quick search, but the fabric-only covering is confirmed by an entry in the > April, 1935 issue of Aero Digest: > > http://www.wingsofpeace.net/gallery/B/BrownB2MissLosAngeles/BrownB-2.html > > So - easier, quicker, and cheaper than fussing with plywood or aluminum > leading edges, and lighter to boot. What say y'all? > > -------- > Bill Frank > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=330313#330313 > > ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 12:05:22 PM PST US From: airlion Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: leading edge plywood --- On Wed, 2/9/11, Ryan Mueller wrote: From: Ryan Mueller Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: leading edge plywood I'd say that's a smashing idea for your Miss Los Angeles replica. For a Piet, the plans work pretty darn good. Ryan do not archive On Wed, Feb 9, 2011 at 1:01 PM, Mild Bill wrote: Eh. Why bother with plywood on the leading edge at all? The Brown B-2 "Miss Los Angeles" flew at over 230 mph with the only reinforcement to the fabric covering being some false ribs supporting an extra layer of fabric from the leading edge to the spar. http://www.flickr.com/photos/sdasmarchives/4590351468/in/photostream/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/sdasmarchives/4590350390/in/photostream/ The second photo shows just barely enough of the wing to reveal the fabric going all the way to the leading edge. I didn't find any better photos in a quick search, but the fabric-only covering is confirmed by an entry in the April, 1935 issue of Aero Digest: http://www.wingsofpeace.net/gallery/B/BrownB2MissLosAngeles/BrownB-2.html So - easier, quicker, and cheaper than fussing with plywood or aluminum leading edges, and lighter to boot. What say y'all? -------- Bill Frank Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=330313#330313 ========== st" target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List ========== http://forums.matronics.com ========== le, List Admin. ="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution ========== I say ya'll, just don't hit any birds. Gardiner ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 12:34:35 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: drag wires From: "Dangerous Dave" You could probably do it but you'd have to investigate what the angles would be and if the rods would make it through the webs on the ribs.The ribs are not spaced all the same,could be a bugger.dave -------- Covering Piet Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=330328#330328 ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 01:42:03 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: From Everett WA.... From: "BYD" Jake - be sure to research "Markle" in the archives before he visits! Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=330332#330332 ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 02:20:31 PM PST US From: Jim Markle Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: From Everett WA.... Oh great....and I already had a "radial sized" box ready for my return trip! :-) -----Original Message----- >From: BYD >Sent: Feb 9, 2011 1:38 PM >To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com >Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: From Everett WA.... > > >Jake - be sure to research "Markle" in the archives before he visits! > > >Read this topic online here: > >http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=330332#330332 > > ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 02:32:00 PM PST US From: "Charles Campbell" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: drag wires Check B & B Aircraft Supplies. PO Box 37, Gardner, Kansas 66030, Phone (913) 884-5930. I bought all my turnbuckles for $7.50 each.----- Original Message ----- From: "bender" Sent: Wednesday, February 09, 2011 1:24 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: drag wires > > > I know this stuff comes up.... but > is anyone using tie rods..solid threaded rods for drag and anti-drag > wires? > i just did an annual on a scout and it seems simple and no turnbuckles > > the pitts special uses tie rods with hardwood blocks glued to the backside > of the spars and drilled through double nuts and done > > wag aero has 50 and 56 inch 10-32 rods on sale for $15.. the 56 looks like > it would make 3 bays instead of two > > just thinking.... about to start assembling the wing > > BTW i saw the barrels on sale but any other good deals on turnbuckles out > there ?? > > jeff > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=330306#330306 > > ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 02:43:08 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Tail Section Hinges From: "tdudley@umn.edu" Worried about the tail hinges (and metal work in general), I looked for and found a privately-owned welding shop about ten miles from my home. I showed one of the employees the plan for the tail section hinges. He brought me into the shop and made a hinge from scratch in under 30 minutes while I watched (the final product would be a bit more fine-tuned). He told me that he'd be able to build them for me if I wanted, but better yet, he told me he'd help me make all the pieces myself. I'd pay him by the hour to help, but that included all the tools for cutting, bending, drilling, and TIG welding the pieces. His estimate was really reasonable. You've just got to love small shops in rural Minnesota. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=330338#330338 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/trial_hinge_120.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/trial_hinge_2_868.jpg ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 02:47:11 PM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: From Everett WA.... From: gboothe5@comcast.net Gotta worry when JM shows up for a "friendly" visit pushing a hand cart... Gary ------Original Message------ From: Jim Markle Sender: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com ReplyTo: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: From Everett WA.... Sent: Feb 9, 2011 2:15 PM Oh great....and I already had a "radial sized" box ready for my return trip! :-) -----Original Message----- >From: BYD >Sent: Feb 9, 2011 1:38 PM >To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com >Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: From Everett WA.... > > >Jake - be sure to research "Markle" in the archives before he visits! > > >Read this topic online here: > >http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=330332#330332 > > Sent on the Sprint Now Network from my BlackBerry ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 02:55:46 PM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Tail Section Hinges From: Ryan Mueller About $60 in a check to Vi Kapler, and no more worries on your part. Ryan do not archive On Wed, Feb 9, 2011 at 4:40 PM, tdudley@umn.edu wrote: > > Worried about the tail hinges (and metal work in general), I looked for and > found a privately-owned welding shop about ten miles from my home. I showed > one of the employees the plan for the tail section hinges. He brought me > into the shop and made a hinge from scratch in under 30 minutes while I > watched (the final product would be a bit more fine-tuned). He told me that > he'd be able to build them for me if I wanted, but better yet, he told me > he'd help me make all the pieces myself. I'd pay him by the hour to help, > but that included all the tools for cutting, bending, drilling, and TIG > welding the pieces. His estimate was really reasonable. > > You've just got to love small shops in rural Minnesota. > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=330338#330338 > > > Attachments: > > http://forums.matronics.com//files/trial_hinge_120.jpg > http://forums.matronics.com//files/trial_hinge_2_868.jpg > > ________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ Time: 03:16:06 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Tail Section Hinges From: "tdudley@umn.edu" $60 is all Vi Kapler charges for the tail section hinges? What about the other metal parts? Contact #'s? Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=330344#330344 ________________________________ Message 24 ____________________________________ Time: 03:46:08 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Tail Section Hinges From: "echobravo4" Here is is info- Vitalis Kapler 507-288-3322 1033 Forest Hills Dr. SW Rochester, MN 55902 I ordered mine a couple of months ago and they were $70 -------- Earl Brown I may not have gone where I intended to go, but I think I have ended up where I intended to be. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=330346#330346 ________________________________ Message 25 ____________________________________ Time: 04:06:27 PM PST US From: "Gboothe5" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Tail Section Hinges T Just curious...is there a reason why you cannot do the fittings, or do not want to? All it takes is band saw with a metal cutting blade and a gas welding set up (well, and a few other items). I know welding sounds daunting, but, believe me, it's one of the most rewarding parts of the whole project! Gary Boothe -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of tdudley@umn.edu Sent: Wednesday, February 09, 2011 3:14 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Tail Section Hinges $60 is all Vi Kapler charges for the tail section hinges? What about the other metal parts? Contact #'s? Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=330344#330344 ________________________________ Message 26 ____________________________________ Time: 04:21:29 PM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: UPDATE and return to life! From: Mark Roberts Hi Oscar! I'm in the central part of California (unfortunately... The only thing that would make this relo better is if it was somewhere east of the CA boarder....) We are in Fresno, CA and this place is out of the main city atrea and out a little bit into the country. I first discovered YOU on the web in my initial searchg for planes to build as I stumbled across the Squirrel website. When I saw you posting here I realized you had made the jump to the Piet :o) Mark On Tue, Feb 8, 2011 at 10:46 AM, taildrags wrote: > > Mark: you failed to say in which state or city your new barn/shop is located. Whereabouts are you? > > -------- > Oscar Zuniga > San Antonio, TX > Air Camper NX41CC > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=330190#330190 > > ________________________________ Message 27 ____________________________________ Time: 04:27:19 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Tail Section Hinges From: "K5YAC" Yep, got mine from Vi at Brodhead for $70. They are nice. I agree that they would be easy to make, but his are ready to mount... all I had to do was router the recess and drill mounting holes. -------- Mark Chouinard Wings, Center Section and Empannage framed up - Working on Fuselage Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=330349#330349 ________________________________ Message 28 ____________________________________ Time: 04:28:22 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Plans for a good fuse workbench From: Mark Roberts Hi All: I am not remembering off hand where I saw a design for a solid free standing workbench for the fuse, and eventually for the wing and stab/fin. I have a wall mounted, solid core door workbench made of 2 solid core doors, butted together and attached to the wall. I want to use these as the top of the bench, and build a solid base to mount these 36" x 96" doors to. I am thinking I saw some plans somewhere that drew out a bench that would be free standing and solid like this, and I can't find it in my stuff. Anyone have a link or a scan of this kind of thing? I figure I can design my own, but I'd rather not as I'd rather be thinking of building the fuse :o) Thanks for any advice! Mark ________________________________ Message 29 ____________________________________ Time: 04:31:55 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Tail Section Hinges From: "tdudley@umn.edu" Gary, I do want to make the metal fittings; I want to do everything I can on this project. After meeting with the guy this morning, I got the impression I'd be able to build the parts myself with his assistance. That's the part that got me excited. I'd guess that with a little early mentorship in the welding department, I'd gain the skills needed to get most of the other parts done. I believe you when you say learning the skill is very rewarding. Tom Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=330351#330351 ________________________________ Message 30 ____________________________________ Time: 04:33:04 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Tail Section Hinges From: "tdudley@umn.edu" Mark, Maybe in direct contrast to my last post, what was the turn around time to get the hinges? Does Vi supply all metal parts? Tom Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=330353#330353 ________________________________ Message 31 ____________________________________ Time: 04:46:26 PM PST US From: "Scott Knowlton " Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Plans for a good fuse workbench Check the EAA plans for work benches. I built two five footers and another 4 footer. They are great sturdy all purpose benches with easy to follow plans. Scott Knowlton -----Original Message----- From: Mark Roberts Subject: Pietenpol-List: Plans for a good fuse workbench Hi All: I am not remembering off hand where I saw a design for a solid free standing workbench for the fuse, and eventually for the wing and stab/fin. I have a wall mounted, solid core door workbench made of 2 solid core doors, butted together and attached to the wall. I want to use these as the top of the bench, and build a solid base to mount these 36" x 96" doors to. I am thinking I saw some plans somewhere that drew out a bench that would be free standing and solid like this, and I can't find it in my stuff. Anyone have a link or a scan of this kind of thing? I figure I can design my own, but I'd rather not as I'd rather be thinking of building the fuse :o) Thanks for any advice! Mark ________________________________ Message 32 ____________________________________ Time: 04:46:37 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Plans for a good fuse workbench From: "tdudley@umn.edu" Mark, There is a good description of building a solid workbench in the January, 2010 issue of EAA SportAviation. You can download a copy from the archives. I used it to build my tables. (I'd link it, but I'm not computer saavy enough.) Tom Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=330355#330355 ________________________________ Message 33 ____________________________________ Time: 04:47:24 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Tail Section Hinges From: "K5YAC" In my experience, turn around was quick... as quick I could count out three 20s and a 10, we shook hands and I told him Thanks! He had the hinges for sale at Brodhead. Give him a call.... maybe he has a set or two ready to ship. -------- Mark Chouinard Wings, Center Section and Empannage framed up - Working on Fuselage Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=330356#330356 ________________________________ Message 34 ____________________________________ Time: 04:49:36 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Tail Section Hinges From: "tdudley@umn.edu" Mark, I should have realized that before I posted--I did read you got it from him at Brodhead. Tom Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=330357#330357 ________________________________ Message 35 ____________________________________ Time: 04:50:42 PM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Tail Section Hinges From: gboothe5@comcast.net Oh...and I purchased the VK hinges, despite what I just said! Happy building! Gary ------Original Message------ From: tdudley@umn.edu Sender: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com ReplyTo: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Tail Section Hinges Sent: Feb 9, 2011 4:28 PM Gary, I do want to make the metal fittings; I want to do everything I can on this project. After meeting with the guy this morning, I got the impression I'd be able to build the parts myself with his assistance. That's the part that got me excited. I'd guess that with a little early mentorship in the welding department, I'd gain the skills needed to get most of the other parts done. I believe you when you say learning the skill is very rewarding. Tom Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=330351#330351 Sent on the Sprint Now Network from my BlackBerry ________________________________ Message 36 ____________________________________ Time: 05:11:55 PM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Plans for a good fuse workbench From: Wayne Bressler Mark, Here's a link: http://www.oshkosh365.org/ok365_DiscussionBoardTopic.aspx?id=1235&boardid=147&forumid=175&topicid=3592 Plans are about half way down the page. Wayne Bressler Taildraggers, Inc. www.taildraggersinc.com On Feb 9, 2011, at 7:23 PM, Mark Roberts wrote: > > Hi All: > > I am not remembering off hand where I saw a design for a solid free > standing workbench for the fuse, and eventually for the wing and > stab/fin. I have a wall mounted, solid core door workbench made of 2 > solid core doors, butted together and attached to the wall. I want to > use these as the top of the bench, and build a solid base to mount > these 36" x 96" doors to. I am thinking I saw some plans somewhere > that drew out a bench that would be free standing and solid like this, > and I can't find it in my stuff. Anyone have a link or a scan of this > kind of thing? I figure I can design my own, but I'd rather not as I'd > rather be thinking of building the fuse :o) > > Thanks for any advice! > > Mark > > > > ________________________________ Message 37 ____________________________________ Time: 05:12:14 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Tail Section Hinges From: "tdudley@umn.edu" So Gary, you're saying it wouldn't be too much a compromise to buy the hinges? Glad to hear it. I just got off the phone with Mr. Kapler. He said he could send them to me this week. (I'll build the other metal parts!) Kind of interesting--Vi said he bought one of his Piets from Ed Sampson in Bellview, MN. I spoke with Ed on the phone a few weeks ago and he said I could drive down to visit with him and talk building. Ed apparently built the Piet fuse at the EAA museum. Lots of Piet knowledge within easy driving distance. Tom Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=330361#330361 ________________________________ Message 38 ____________________________________ Time: 05:25:21 PM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Tail Section Hinges From: gboothe5@comcast.net You're in good hands! See you at Brodhead? Gary ------Original Message------ From: tdudley@umn.edu Sender: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com ReplyTo: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Tail Section Hinges Sent: Feb 9, 2011 5:08 PM So Gary, you're saying it wouldn't be too much a compromise to buy the hinges? Glad to hear it. I just got off the phone with Mr. Kapler. He said he could send them to me this week. (I'll build the other metal parts!) Kind of interesting--Vi said he bought one of his Piets from Ed Sampson in Bellview, MN. I spoke with Ed on the phone a few weeks ago and he said I could drive down to visit with him and talk building. Ed apparently built the Piet fuse at the EAA museum. Lots of Piet knowledge within easy driving distance. Tom Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=330361#330361 Sent on the Sprint Now Network from my BlackBerry ________________________________ Message 39 ____________________________________ Time: 05:46:50 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Plans for a good fuse workbench From: "Piet2112" Here's the workbench I designed. It's 3-3'X5' tables bolted together. Long enough a long fuse. You only need 2-4x8' sheets of plywood and 10-8'-2x4's. Curt Merdan Flower Mound, TX Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=330368#330368 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/15_work_table_133.jpg ________________________________ Message 40 ____________________________________ Time: 05:52:39 PM PST US From: "Jack" Subject: Pietenpol-List: Rudder Pedals A couple of questions on the pedals. The plans call for them to be mounted 2 =BD inches from the firewall. Is that enough distance? I=92m planning to place a washer between the pedal and the bracket. Should it be metal, fiber, plastic, etc? Thanks, Jack DSM ________________________________ Message 41 ____________________________________ Time: 05:57:32 PM PST US From: "Jack" Subject: Pietenpol-List: Metal Parts I've purchased metal parts and very much enjoyed fabricating others. Ken Perkins has many very well done parts for sale. His contact info: Piet parts, welded and Model A parts. Kenandvernaperkins@sbcglobal.net 913-764-6949 Jack DSM ________________________________ Message 42 ____________________________________ Time: 06:05:43 PM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Rudder Pedals From: gboothe5@comcast.net Jack, That location is fine. You can locate the top of the pedals anywhere you want. Gary Boothe Sent on the Sprint Now Network from my BlackBerry -----Original Message----- From: "Jack" Sender: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ________________________________ Message 43 ____________________________________ Time: 06:12:09 PM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Tail Section Hinges From: Kenneth Bickers Another reason for buying the Vi Kapler hinges, even if you could make them yourself, is that it is a tangible way to have a connection back to Mr .. Pietenpol himself. I like the sentimentality of the hinges. Each time I ease the elevator bac k to climb out or squeeze the rudder to initiate a turn, I'll be paying homag e to the small group of people who turned prairie genius into everyman=92s flying machines. Cheers, Ken On Wed, Feb 9, 2011 at 6:22 PM, wrote: > > You're in good hands! See you at Brodhead? > > Gary > ------Original Message------ > From: tdudley@umn.edu > Sender: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > ReplyTo: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Tail Section Hinges > Sent: Feb 9, 2011 5:08 PM > > > So Gary, you're saying it wouldn't be too much a compromise to buy the > hinges? Glad to hear it. I just got off the phone with Mr. Kapler. He > said he could send them to me this week. (I'll build the other metal > parts!) > > Kind of interesting--Vi said he bought one of his Piets from Ed Sampson i n > Bellview, MN. I spoke with Ed on the phone a few weeks ago and he said I > could drive down to visit with him and talk building. Ed apparently buil t > the Piet fuse at the EAA museum. Lots of Piet knowledge within easy driv ing > distance. > > Tom > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=330361#330361 > > > Sent on the Sprint=AE Now Network from my BlackBerry=AE > > =========== =========== =========== =========== > > ________________________________ Message 44 ____________________________________ Time: 06:14:12 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Plans for a good fuse workbench From: "K5YAC" I don't have any written plans for my workbenches, I just built them to a comfortable height (in my case about 42") and matched the dimentions to 4' x 8' x 5/8" cabinet grade birch plywood. I used standard grade 1/2" plywood for the lower shelf. I also bored 1" holes in the bottom of the legs to accept some 1" aluminum round stock that I drilled and tapped to accept 3/8" x 16 bolts. I tacked some heavy flat washers to the heads of 2" long 3/8" x 16 bolts and used them as leveling feet, which worked out good, especially when I wanted to level up for my fuselage work. Once I started applying spar varnish to my wing ribs, I went ahead and applied a couple of coats to my workbench tops. I highly recommend doing that... it looks nicer and is more durable. These were the first things I built for the Pietenpol adventure. They can be used separately, which is how I will normally keep them... (wow, that seems like a long time ago). Or they can be lined up end to end (16' long) and leveled up for a fuselage jig. I guess it depends on what you have room for. -------- Mark Chouinard Wings, Center Section and Empannage framed up - Working on Fuselage Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=330376#330376 ________________________________ Message 45 ____________________________________ Time: 06:37:10 PM PST US From: "Chris" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Plans for a good fuse workbench I built my bench out of doors and 2x4s. Nothing fancy but worked great. You will be a bit short in length but planed correctly and it works fine. http://westcoastpiet.com/images/Chris%20Tracy/pictures.htm Chris Sacramento, Ca Westcoastpiet.com -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Mark Roberts Sent: Wednesday, February 09, 2011 4:24 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Plans for a good fuse workbench --> Hi All: I am not remembering off hand where I saw a design for a solid free standing workbench for the fuse, and eventually for the wing and stab/fin. I have a wall mounted, solid core door workbench made of 2 solid core doors, butted together and attached to the wall. I want to use these as the top of the bench, and build a solid base to mount these 36" x 96" doors to. I am thinking I saw some plans somewhere that drew out a bench that would be free standing and solid like this, and I can't find it in my stuff. Anyone have a link or a scan of this kind of thing? I figure I can design my own, but I'd rather not as I'd rather be thinking of building the fuse :o) Thanks for any advice! Mark ________________________________ Message 46 ____________________________________ Time: 06:41:07 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: cool weather flying From: "Dangerous Dave" Winter at its best -------- Covering Piet Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=330381#330381 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/chilly_208.jpg ________________________________ Message 47 ____________________________________ Time: 07:57:03 PM PST US From: "Clif Dawson" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: From Everett WA.... Ah, but Jimmy, just think of all the shotgun shells you'd hafta buy! AND you'd be peening the gears with every shot! Hahahahaha > > > Oh great....and I already had a "radial sized" box ready for my return > trip! :-) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message pietenpol-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Pietenpol-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/pietenpol-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/pietenpol-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.