---------------------------------------------------------- Pietenpol-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Thu 02/10/11: 40 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 12:06 AM - Re: Re: leading edge plywood (Clif Dawson) 2. 12:36 AM - Re: Re: down to the fuselage (Clif Dawson) 3. 12:36 AM - Re: Re: steel fuselage and engine weight (Clif Dawson) 4. 12:40 AM - Re: Room For Bungee Cord (Clif Dawson) 5. 12:58 AM - Re: leading edge plywood (kevinpurtee) 6. 01:01 AM - Re: Plans for a good fuse workbench (kevinpurtee) 7. 01:04 AM - Re: Tail Section Hinges (kevinpurtee) 8. 01:07 AM - Re: Rudder Pedals (kevinpurtee) 9. 05:02 AM - Corvair for sale on Barnstormers (Jerry Dotson) 10. 05:24 AM - Re: Re: leading edge plywood (Gene Rambo) 11. 05:51 AM - Re: Rudder Pedals (Ben Charvet) 12. 05:56 AM - Re: Plans for a good fuse workbench (K5YAC) 13. 06:37 AM - Re: Re: Rudder Pedals (Jack) 14. 07:23 AM - Pietenpol wanted! (pilotjkl) 15. 07:33 AM - Re: Pietenpol wanted! (K5YAC) 16. 08:01 AM - Re: Re: Plans for a good fuse workbench (Mark Roberts) 17. 08:11 AM - Re: Plans for a good fuse workbench (Jerry Dotson) 18. 08:13 AM - Re: Re: leading edge plywood (helspersew@aol.com) 19. 08:44 AM - Re: Tail Section Hinges (Rick Holland) 20. 08:44 AM - Re: Re: Plans for a good fuse workbench (gboothe5@comcast.net) 21. 09:12 AM - Re: Re: Plans for a good fuse workbench (V Groah) 22. 09:28 AM - Re: Plans for a good fuse workbench (K5YAC) 23. 09:42 AM - Re: Re: leading edge plywood (Rick Holland) 24. 09:55 AM - leading edge plywood (santiago morete) 25. 10:06 AM - Band Type Brake Cable (Michael Perez) 26. 10:08 AM - Re: Re: Plans for a good fuse workbench (brian.e.jardine@l-3com.com) 27. 10:56 AM - Re: Re: Plans for a good fuse workbench (Michael Groah) 28. 11:57 AM - Re: Re: Plans for a good fuse workbench (V Groah) 29. 12:04 PM - Re: Band Type Brake Cable (Kenneth Bickers) 30. 12:38 PM - Re: Band Type Brake Cable (helspersew@aol.com) 31. 04:31 PM - Re: Band Type Brake Cable (John Kuhfahl) 32. 05:12 PM - Re: Band Type Brake Cable (Michael Perez) 33. 06:10 PM - Re: Plans for a good fuse workbench (PShipman) 34. 07:14 PM - Re: Plans for a good fuse workbench (Piet2112) 35. 07:16 PM - Re: Re: Plans for a good fuse workbench (Mark Roberts) 36. 07:52 PM - Re: Re: Plans for a good fuse workbench (Mark Roberts) 37. 08:25 PM - Re: Re: Plans for a good fuse workbench (Mike Tunnicliffe) 38. 09:07 PM - Re: Re: Plans for a good fuse workbench (Michael Groah) 39. 09:27 PM - Re: Re: Plans for a good fuse workbench (Clif Dawson) 40. 11:27 PM - Re: Band Type Brake Cable (Billy McCaskill) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 12:06:57 AM PST US From: "Clif Dawson" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: leading edge plywood It has nothing to do with reinforcement of the fabric. This is a fast,powerful machine that doesn't have any issues with getting off the ground. The wing could be a piece of flat plywood and it would still fly. The Piet, on the other hand, needs lift, all it can get. Look at that wing profile in a couple of those pics. It's a round nosed, pointy tailed plank. Bernard even had to undercut the bottom of his to get more lift. So by smoothing the nose profile as much as possible a little bit more was gained by not allowing the profile to sink flatter between the ribs. Clif > The Brown B-2 "Miss Los Angeles" flew at over 230 mph with the only > reinforcement to the fabric covering being some false ribs supporting an > extra layer of fabric from the leading edge to the spar. > http://www.flickr.com/photos/sdasmarchives/4590350390/in/photostream/ easier, quicker, and cheaper than fussing with plywood or aluminum leading edges, and lighter to boot. What say y'all? > Bill Frank ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 12:36:49 AM PST US From: "Clif Dawson" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: down to the fuselage June and no wonder, all the rest ate peanut butter except grandma who drove a Buick. Clif Do not archive this either! > Of course, the same goes for January, March, April, May,... > > BC > > do not archive ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 12:36:49 AM PST US From: "Clif Dawson" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: steel fuselage and engine weight Don't forget the rad and water. Another 15lb?? Clif ----- Original Message ----- From: Ryan Mueller To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Tuesday, February 08, 2011 12:44 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: steel fuselage and engine weight The Corvair as Bernard converted it was probably pretty close to the weight of the Model A. If I recall correctly, the Model A is listed at roughly 245 lbs. Ryan ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 12:40:06 AM PST US From: "Clif Dawson" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Room For Bungee Cord I can't remember what they weigh but it's more than wire. At the time I couldn't find any wire ones and these were cheap. In my budget, in other words. I knew I was going to cover them so I didn't see the modern look as a downside. Clif Never thought about some cast wheels and covers...very cool. (Nice little modification.) Michael Perez Karetaker Aero www.karetakeraero.com ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 12:58:26 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: leading edge plywood From: "kevinpurtee" Additionally, and the experts can correct me, my sense is that the leading edge plywood provides significant stiffness to the structure. Don't think I'd consider building the wing without said plywood. -------- Kevin "Axel" Purtee NX899KP Austin/Georgetown, TX Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=330402#330402 ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 01:01:12 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Plans for a good fuse workbench From: "kevinpurtee" Mark's tall. I built mine to 36" & cut them down to 32" when I had the chance (4'X16'). Kevin -------- Kevin "Axel" Purtee NX899KP Austin/Georgetown, TX Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=330403#330403 ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 01:04:53 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Tail Section Hinges From: "kevinpurtee" There are still a WHOLE BUNCH of metal pieces to make even after you've paid Mr. Kappler for the hinges. Use the guy for mentorship/training on the other pieces, Tom. Looks like a great resource. Kevin -------- Kevin "Axel" Purtee NX899KP Austin/Georgetown, TX Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=330404#330404 ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 01:07:11 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Rudder Pedals From: "kevinpurtee" Hi Jack - I used metal washers. May have put a little grease in there, but don't remember. Kevin -------- Kevin "Axel" Purtee NX899KP Austin/Georgetown, TX Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=330405#330405 ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 05:02:10 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Corvair for sale on Barnstormers From: "Jerry Dotson" FRESH CORVAIR ENGINE $4,800 WOW! Nearly completed conversion - All William Wynn's Gold components, 5th bearing, All new. great deal!. Contact Eric D. Klee, Owner - located Hudson, FL USA Telephone: 813-294-7957 . 813-901-5666 . Posted February 9, 2011 -------- Jerry Dotson 59 Daniel Johnson Rd Baker, FL 32531 Started building NX510JD July, 2009 wing, tailfeathers done, fuselage rolling using Lycoming O-235 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=330410#330410 ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 05:24:34 AM PST US From: Gene Rambo Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: leading edge plywood Don't know about expert=2C but in the case of the Piet=2C the plywood does not add to the stiffness at all. The 1/16 okume ply I used is little bette r than the cardboard Bernard supposedly used. I did consider just putting an extra layer of fabric around the leading edge and letting the nose scall op like many aircraft do=2C but decided that I would need to add extra nose ribs for it to look right and I did not want the extra weight. Gene > Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: leading edge plywood > From: kevin.purtee@us.army.mil > Date: Thu=2C 10 Feb 2011 00:56:14 -0800 > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > .mil> > > Additionally=2C and the experts can correct me=2C my sense is that the le ading edge plywood provides significant stiffness to the structure. Don't t hink I'd consider building the wing without said plywood. > > -------- > Kevin "=3BAxel"=3B Purtee > NX899KP > Austin/Georgetown=2C TX > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=330402#330402 > > > > > > > =========== =========== =========== =========== > > > ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 05:51:44 AM PST US From: Ben Charvet Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Rudder Pedals On 2/9/2011 8:49 PM, Jack wrote: > > A couple of questionson the pedals. The plans call for them to be > mounted 2inches from the firewall. Is that enoughdistance? I'm > planning to place a washer between the pedal and the bracket. Should > it be metal, fiber, plastic, etc? > > Thanks, > > Jack > > DSM > > <<...>> > The location works fine for me. I would change out the bolts on the hinges with some drilled for cotter pins, since that is a working connection. I used regular AN washers for my spacers. -- Ben Charvet, PharmD Staff Pharmacist Parrish Medical center ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 05:56:00 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Plans for a good fuse workbench From: "K5YAC" Yes, I am tall.... I might be able to look OVER the wing. I also can't spell dimensions. [Embarassed] -------- Mark Chouinard Wings, Center Section and Empannage framed up - Working on Fuselage Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=330415#330415 ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 06:37:33 AM PST US Subject: Re: Re: Pietenpol-List: Rudder Pedals From: Jack Yes I plan to do that, just didn't have any. Thanks Jack Textor Sent from my iPhone On Feb 10, 2011, at 7:48 AM, Ben Charvet wrote: > DSM ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 07:23:31 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Pietenpol wanted! From: "pilotjkl" Hi all! I am wanting to buy a Pietenpol flying or project if you have one or know of one for sale please let me know, Thank you in advance John 432-209-6870 west Texas Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=330432#330432 ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 07:33:41 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Pietenpol wanted! From: "K5YAC" Precious Pete Basic Pietenpol 85 HP Continental Enlarged, extended 2-piece wing Steel tube fuselage Roomy cockpits Metal prop Flies great! Contact Roger White 918-698-3771. -------- Mark Chouinard Wings, Center Section and Empannage framed up - Working on Fuselage Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=330436#330436 ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 08:01:34 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Plans for a good fuse workbench From: Mark Roberts Wow guys! Many thanks for all the info... I had to let my EAA national membership lapse due to the financial crisis of the last year and 2 months, but I plan to renew soon and I can access the plans they have on the EAA download site. Seems simple enough to just build a table, but I thought I'd ask y'all because of the 'Round shoulders, flat forehead" syndrome I suffer from. It's the result of the moment when you shrug your shoulders, and slap your forehead once you see something and say "Why didn't I think of that BEFORE I built my table!" I have so much room in the barn that I am considering one long table versus separate ones, but that may change when I actually start the project. I had been planning the ribs and wing first due to space, but I might start the fuse (more desirable) and then I have the mounting point for all the rest. Besides, you just can't sit on a wing and make airplane noises as well as you can a fuse. Oh, one other really cool thing: I am drawing the metal parts up in Sketch Up and cleaning them in my CAD program so I can deliver them to an old acquaintance I have recently renewed a relationship with. He owns a steel fabrication company, and has a laser cutting machine for his fabrication plant. He said "How thick are the parts? NO problem! Bring me the pans and I'll cut all those parts for you to perfection!" Yes Gary Boothe, I know it's cheating. And yes, I know how long it took you to make your parts. But I am relieved! :oD Thanks again for all the advice. I hope to post some pics in the next few weeks. Any suggestions on programs to use for the build log online? Mark On Thu, Feb 10, 2011 at 5:52 AM, K5YAC wrote: > > Yes, I am tall.... I might be able to look OVER the wing. > > I also can't spell dimensions. [Embarassed] > > -------- > Mark Chouinard > Wings, Center Section and Empannage framed up - Working on Fuselage > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=330415#330415 > > ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 08:11:17 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Plans for a good fuse workbench From: "Jerry Dotson" I made mine from old closet doors and 2x4's and welder's jack stands. It looks crude and is I guess but very temporary. All the doors will go back in overhead storage when the build is done. The jack stands make for a very rigid table and precise leveling. It is 3' X 32' for the 1 piece wing. -------- Jerry Dotson 59 Daniel Johnson Rd Baker, FL 32531 Started building NX510JD July, 2009 wing, tailfeathers done, fuselage rolling using Lycoming O-235 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=330445#330445 ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 08:13:35 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: leading edge plywood From: helspersew@aol.com PLUS, it wouldn't be to plans, Gene. Dan Helsper Poplar Grove, IL. do not archive -----Original Message----- From: Gene Rambo Sent: Thu, Feb 10, 2011 7:24 am Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: leading edge plywood Don't know about expert, but in the case of the Piet, the plywood does not add to the stiffness at all. The 1/16 okume ply I used is little better th an the cardboard Bernard supposedly used. I did consider just putting an e xtra layer of fabric around the leading edge and letting the nose scallop l ike many aircraft do, but decided that I would need to add extra nose ribs for it to look right and I did not want the extra weight. Gene > Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: leading edge plywood > From: kevin.purtee@us.army.mil > Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2011 00:56:14 -0800 > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > .mil> > > Additionally, and the experts can correct me, my sense is that the leadin g edge plywood provides significant stiffness to the structure. Don't think I'd consider building the wing without said plywood. > > -------- > Kevin "Axel" Purtee > NX899KP > Austin/Georgetown, TX > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=330402#330402 > > > > > >================= > > > -= - The Pietenpol-List Email Forum - -= Use the Matronics List Features Navigator to browse -= the many List utilities such as List Un/Subscription, -= Archive Search & Download, 7-Day Browse, Chat, FAQ, -= Photoshare, and much much more: - -= --> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List - -======================== -= - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS - -= Same great content also available via the Web Forums! - -= --> http://forums.matronics.com - -======================== -= - List Contribution Web Site - -= Thank you for your generous support! -= -Matt Dralle, List Admin. -= --> http://www.matronics.com/contribution -======================== ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 08:44:32 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Tail Section Hinges From: Rick Holland Agreed, you will like the Kapler hinges. On Wed, Feb 9, 2011 at 3:52 PM, Ryan Mueller wrote: > About $60 in a check to Vi Kapler, and no more worries on your part. > > Ryan > > do not archive > > On Wed, Feb 9, 2011 at 4:40 PM, tdudley@umn.edu wrote: > >> >> Worried about the tail hinges (and metal work in general), I looked for >> and found a privately-owned welding shop about ten miles from my home. I >> showed one of the employees the plan for the tail section hinges. He >> brought me into the shop and made a hinge from scratch in under 30 minutes >> while I watched (the final product would be a bit more fine-tuned). He told >> me that he'd be able to build them for me if I wanted, but better yet, he >> told me he'd help me make all the pieces myself. I'd pay him by the hour to >> help, but that included all the tools for cutting, bending, drilling, and >> TIG welding the pieces. His estimate was really reasonable. >> >> You've just got to love small shops in rural Minnesota. >> >> >> >> >> Read this topic online here: >> >> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=330338#330338 >> >> >> >> >> Attachments: >> >> http://forums.matronics.com//files/trial_hinge_120.jpg >> http://forums.matronics.com//files/trial_hinge_2_868.jpg >> >> >> >> >> ========== >> st" target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List >> ========== >> http://forums.matronics.com >> ========== >> le, List Admin. >> ="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution >> ========== >> >> >> >> > * > > * > > -- Rick Holland Castle Rock, Colorado "A Foolish Consistency is the Hobgoblin of Little Minds" ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 08:44:33 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Plans for a good fuse workbench From: gboothe5@comcast.net Mark, If you know a guy who'll laser cut your parts, go for it! But here's what I have learned about rib building: If you build the ribs first, you can be done in 30 days; if you get distracted by other parts, it could take 3 years! Pretty soon you get a nasty-gram from Kevin or Ryan, more or less saying, "Good God, Man! Just finish the ribs, already!" Gary Boothe 3 to go... Sent on the Sprint Now Network from my BlackBerry -----Original Message----- From: Mark Roberts Sender: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com Wow guys! Many thanks for all the info... I had to let my EAA national membership lapse due to the financial crisis of the last year and 2 months, but I plan to renew soon and I can access the plans they have on the EAA download site. Seems simple enough to just build a table, but I thought I'd ask y'all because of the 'Round shoulders, flat forehead" syndrome I suffer from. It's the result of the moment when you shrug your shoulders, and slap your forehead once you see something and say "Why didn't I think of that BEFORE I built my table!" I have so much room in the barn that I am considering one long table versus separate ones, but that may change when I actually start the project. I had been planning the ribs and wing first due to space, but I might start the fuse (more desirable) and then I have the mounting point for all the rest. Besides, you just can't sit on a wing and make airplane noises as well as you can a fuse. Oh, one other really cool thing: I am drawing the metal parts up in Sketch Up and cleaning them in my CAD program so I can deliver them to an old acquaintance I have recently renewed a relationship with. He owns a steel fabrication company, and has a laser cutting machine for his fabrication plant. He said "How thick are the parts? NO problem! Bring me the pans and I'll cut all those parts for you to perfection!" Yes Gary Boothe, I know it's cheating. And yes, I know how long it took you to make your parts. But I am relieved! :oD Thanks again for all the advice. I hope to post some pics in the next few weeks. Any suggestions on programs to use for the build log online? Mark On Thu, Feb 10, 2011 at 5:52 AM, K5YAC wrote: > > Yes, I am tall.... I might be able to look OVER the wing. > > I also can't spell dimensions. [Embarassed] > > -------- > Mark Chouinard > Wings, Center Section and Empannage framed up - Working on Fuselage > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=330415#330415 > > ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 09:12:23 AM PST US From: V Groah Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Plans for a good fuse workbench Mark. Good to see you back. If you are serious about starting a Piet you might w ant to consider coming 40 miles south and look at ours before we blow it ap art for fabric. We are just about ready to do that. In about 6 weeks it w ill be in pieces again for fabric. We have photos of some of the jigs we m ade that worked and could give some guidance on things that could be done w rong. Yes=2C we did have a couple of things that after close examination h ad to be redone. It Happens. Bring a camera and take photos. It is not l ike we have the ideal plane or know all the answers. We don't. We have=2C however=2C gone through the process and have a result. We found that grab bing ideas from other builders that had gone before us saved a lot of head scratching and avoided a lot of missteps. Besides=2C we would like to see you again. Come and see us=2C we are not f ar away. Vic and Mike Groah. Ps. Any other Piet guys are welcome too. Just contact us. vgroah@hotmail .com > Date: Thu=2C 10 Feb 2011 07:57:02 -0800 > Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Plans for a good fuse workbench > From: mark.rbrts1@gmail.com > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > > > > Wow guys! Many thanks for all the info... > > I had to let my EAA national membership lapse due to the financial > crisis of the last year and 2 months=2C but I plan to renew soon and I > can access the plans they have on the EAA download site. > > Seems simple enough to just build a table=2C but I thought I'd ask y'all > because of the 'Round shoulders=2C flat forehead" syndrome I suffer > from. It's the result of the moment when you shrug your shoulders=2C and > slap your forehead once you see something and say "Why didn't I think > of that BEFORE I built my table!" > > I have so much room in the barn that I am considering one long table > versus separate ones=2C but that may change when I actually start the > project. I had been planning the ribs and wing first due to space=2C but > I might start the fuse (more desirable) and then I have the mounting > point for all the rest. Besides=2C you just can't sit on a wing and make > airplane noises as well as you can a fuse. > > Oh=2C one other really cool thing: I am drawing the metal parts up in > Sketch Up and cleaning them in my CAD program so I can deliver them to > an old acquaintance I have recently renewed a relationship with. He > owns a steel fabrication company=2C and has a laser cutting machine for > his fabrication plant. He said "How thick are the parts? NO problem! > Bring me the pans and I'll cut all those parts for you to perfection!" > > Yes Gary Boothe=2C I know it's cheating. And yes=2C I know how long it > took you to make your parts. But I am relieved! :oD > > Thanks again for all the advice. I hope to post some pics in the next few weeks. > > Any suggestions on programs to use for the build log online? > > Mark > > On Thu=2C Feb 10=2C 2011 at 5:52 AM=2C K5YAC wrote: > > > > Yes=2C I am tall.... I might be able to look OVER the wing. > > > > I also can't spell dimensions. [Embarassed] > > > > -------- > > Mark Chouinard > > Wings=2C Center Section and Empannage framed up - Working on Fuselage > > > > > > > > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=330415#330415 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > =========== =========== =========== =========== > > > ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 09:28:06 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Plans for a good fuse workbench From: "K5YAC" mark.rbrts1(at)gmail.com wrote: > Oh, one other really cool thing: I am drawing the metal parts up in Sketch Up and cleaning them in my CAD program so I can deliver them to an old acquaintance I have recently renewed a relationship with. He owns a steel fabrication company, and has a laser cutting machine for his fabrication plant. He said "How thick are the parts? NO problem! > Bring me the pans and I'll cut all those parts for you to perfection!" One word of advice, be sure to make the lift strut attach fittings, cabane strut fittings and anything else that might be a clearance issue about 1/2" longer (perhaps others can chime in). I know that some fittings made to the plans can create minor clearance issues. mark.rbrts1(at)gmail.com wrote: > Any suggestions on programs to use for the build log online? www.mykitlog.com is powered by the same fella that provide this forum for us. I think the program is $50, but it allows you to track build time, photos and details, expense items, vendors, etc. You can post an online version to the web and the print version is formatted very nicely and will make a nice hardcopy of the log book. Pretty slick tool. If you want to see an example, check out my kitlog link in my signature below. -------- Mark Chouinard Wings, Center Section and Empannage framed up - Working on Fuselage Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=330465#330465 ________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ Time: 09:42:50 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: leading edge plywood From: Rick Holland May effect the stall characteristics too. On Thu, Feb 10, 2011 at 1:04 AM, Clif Dawson wrote: > > It has nothing to do with reinforcement of the fabric. > > This is a fast,powerful machine that doesn't have any > issues with getting off the ground. The wing could > be a piece of flat plywood and it would still fly. The > Piet, on the other hand, needs lift, all it can get. > > Look at that wing profile in a couple of those pics. > It's a round nosed, pointy tailed plank. > > Bernard even had to undercut the bottom of his to get > more lift. > > So by smoothing the nose profile as much as possible > a little bit more was gained by not allowing the profile > to sink flatter between the ribs. > > Clif > > > The Brown B-2 "Miss Los Angeles" flew at over 230 mph with the only >> reinforcement to the fabric covering being some false ribs supporting an >> extra layer of fabric from the leading edge to the spar. >> http://www.flickr.com/photos/sdasmarchives/4590350390/in/photostream/ >> > easier, quicker, and cheaper than fussing with plywood or aluminum leading > edges, and lighter to boot. What say y'all? > > Bill Frank >> > > -- Rick Holland Castle Rock, Colorado "A Foolish Consistency is the Hobgoblin of Little Minds" ________________________________ Message 24 ____________________________________ Time: 09:55:19 AM PST US From: santiago morete Subject: Pietenpol-List: leading edge plywood Larry Williams' Piet has false ribs instead of plywood. Also this Sky Scout .. Saludos - Santiago - do not archive -=0A=0A=0A ________________________________ Message 25 ____________________________________ Time: 10:06:41 AM PST US From: Michael Perez Subject: Pietenpol-List: Band Type Brake Cable For those of you using the band type brakes...where did you get the brake cables? Make your own? If you made your own, please fill me in on some details. Michael Perez Karetaker Aero www.karetakeraero.com ________________________________ Message 26 ____________________________________ Time: 10:08:54 AM PST US From: brian.e.jardine@l-3com.com Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Plans for a good fuse workbench Vic, How about posting a few pics of your plane before you "blow it apart" for covering. Thanks. Brian SLC-UT From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of V Groah Sent: Thursday, February 10, 2011 10:10 AM Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Plans for a good fuse workbench Mark. Good to see you back. If you are serious about starting a Piet you might want to consider coming 40 miles south and look at ours before we blow it apart for fabric. We are just about ready to do that. In about 6 weeks it will be in pieces again for fabric. We have photos of some of the jigs we made that worked and could give some guidance on things that could be done wrong. Yes, we did have a couple of things that after close examination had to be redone. It Happens. Bring a camera and take photos. It is not like we have the ideal plane or know all the answers. We don't. We have, however, gone through the process and have a result. We found that grabbing ideas from other builders that had gone before us saved a lot of head scratching and avoided a lot of missteps. Besides, we would like to see you again. Come and see us, we are not far away. Vic and Mike Groah. Ps. Any other Piet guys are welcome too. Just contact us. vgroah@hotmail.com > Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2011 07:57:02 -0800 > Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Plans for a good fuse workbench > From: mark.rbrts1@gmail.com > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > > > Wow guys! Many thanks for all the info... > > I had to let my EAA national membership lapse due to the financial > crisis of the last year and 2 months, but I plan to renew soon and I > can access the plans they have on the EAA download site. > > Seems simple enough to just build a table, but I thought I'd ask y'all > because of the 'Round shoulders, flat forehead" syndrome I suffer > from. It's the result of the moment when you shrug your shoulders, and > slap your forehead once you see something and say "Why didn't I think > of that BEFORE I built my table!" > > I have so much room in the barn that I am considering one long table > versus separate ones, but that may change when I actually start the > project. I had been planning the ribs and wing first due to space, but > I might start the fuse (more desirable) and then I have the mounting > point for all the rest. Besides, you just can't sit on a wing and make > airplane noises as well as you can a fuse. > > Oh, one other really cool thing: I am drawing the metal parts up in > Sketch Up and cleaning them in my CAD program so I can deliver them to > an old acquaintance I have recently renewed a relationship with. He > owns a steel fabrication company, and has a laser cutting machine for > his fabrication plant. He said "How thick are the parts? NO problem! > Bring me the pans and I'll cut all those parts for you to perfection!" > > Yes Gary Boothe, I know it's cheating. And yes, I know how long it > took you to make your parts. But I am relieved! :oD > > Thanks again for all the advice. I hope to post some pics in the next few weeks. > > Any suggestions on programs to use for the build log online? > > Mark > > On Thu, Feb 10, 2011 at 5:52 AM, K5YAC wrote: > > > > Yes, I am tall.... I might be able to look OVER the wing. > > > > I also can't spell dimensions. [Embarassed] > > > > -------- > > Mark Chouinard > > Wings, Center Section and Empannage framed up - Working on Fuselage > > > > > > > > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=330415#330415 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ==================== > _========= > > > ________________________________ Message 27 ____________________________________ Time: 10:56:48 AM PST US From: Michael Groah Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Plans for a good fuse workbench Brian, =0A Vic is my dad and it's our joint project. Here are a couple quick pics I =0Ashot the other day. =0A=0A=0AMike Groah=0ATulare=0A=0A=0A =0A=0A________________________________=0AFrom: "brian.e.jardine@l-3com.com" =0ATo: pietenpol-list@matronics.com=0ASent: Th u, February 10, 2011 9:59:48 AM=0ASubject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Plans fo r a good fuse workbench=0A=0A=0AVic,=0AHow about posting a few pics of your plane before you =9Cblow it apart=9D for =0Acovering. Thanks. =0A =0ABrian=0ASLC-UT=0A =0AFrom:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com =0A[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of V Groah =0ASent: Thursday, February 10, 2011 10:10 AM=0ATo: piet list=0ASubject: RE : Pietenpol-List: Re: Plans for a good fuse workbench=0A =0AMark.=0A =0AGoo d to see you back. If you are serious about starting a Piet you might want =0Ato consider coming 40 miles south and look at ours before we blow it ap art for =0Afabric. We are just about ready to do that. In about 6 weeks i t will be in =0Apieces again for fabric. We have photos of some of the jig s we made that worked =0Aand could give some guidance on things that could be done wrong. Yes, we did =0Ahave a couple of things that after close exa mination had to be redone. It =0AHappens. Bring a camera and take photos. It is not like we have the ideal =0Aplane or know all the answers. We do n't. We have, however, gone through the =0Aprocess and have a result. We found that grabbing ideas from other builders =0Athat had gone before us sa ved a lot of head scratching and avoided a lot =0Aof missteps. =0A=0A =0AB esides, we would like to see you again. Come and see us, we are not far aw ay. =0AVic and Mike Groah.=0A =0APs. Any other Piet guys are welcome too. Just contact us. vgroah@hotmail.com =0A=0A =0A> Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2011 07:57:02 -0800=0A> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Plans for a good fuse w orkbench=0A> From: mark.rbrts1@gmail.com=0A> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.c @gmail.com>=0A> =0A> Wow guys! Many thanks for all the info...=0A> =0A> I h ad to let my EAA national membership lapse due to the financial=0A> crisis of the last year and 2 months, but I plan to renew soon and I=0A> can acces s the plans they have on the EAA download site.=0A> =0A> Seems simple enoug h to just build a table, but I thought I'd ask y'all=0A> because of the 'Ro und shoulders, flat forehead" syndrome I suffer=0A> from. It's the result o f the moment when you shrug your shoulders, and=0A> slap your forehead once you see something and say "Why didn't I think=0A> of that BEFORE I built m y table!"=0A> =0A> I have so much room in the barn that I am considering on e long table=0A> versus separate ones, but that may change when I actually start the=0A> project. I had been planning the ribs and wing first due to s pace, but=0A> I might start the fuse (more desirable) and then I have the m ounting=0A> point for all the rest. Besides, you just can't sit on a wing a nd make=0A> airplane noises as well as you can a fuse.=0A> =0A> Oh, one oth er really cool thing: I am drawing the metal parts up in=0A> Sketch Up and cleaning them in my CAD program so I can deliver them to=0A> an old acquain tance I have recently renewed a relationship with. He=0A> owns a steel fabr ication company, and has a laser cutting machine for=0A> his fabrication pl ant. He said "How thick are the parts? NO problem!=0A> Bring me the pans an d I'll cut all those parts for you to perfection!"=0A> =0A> Yes Gary Boothe , I know it's cheating. And yes, I know how long it=0A> took you to make yo ur parts. But I am relieved! :oD=0A> =0A> Thanks again for all the advice. I hope to post some pics in the next few =0A>weeks.=0A> =0A> Any suggestion s on programs to use for the build log online?=0A> =0A> Mark=0A> =0A> On Th u, Feb 10, 2011 at 5:52 AM, K5YAC wrote:=0A> > --> Piete npol-List message posted by: "K5YAC" =0A> >=0A> > Yes, I am tall.... I might be able to look OVER the wing.=0A> >=0A> > I also can't spell dimensions. [Embarassed]=0A> >=0A> > --------=0A> > Mark Chouinard =0A> > Wings, Center Section and Empannage framed up - Working on Fuselage =0A> >=0A> >=0A> >=0A> >=0A> >=0A> > Read this topic online here:=0A> >=0A> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=330415#330415=0A> >=0A> > =0A> >=0A> >=0A> >=0A> >=0A> >=0A> >=0A> >=0A> >=0A> >=0A> =0A> =0A== ====================0A> _==== =======0A> =0A> =0A> =0A =0A =0Ahttp://www.matronics.com/Navi gator?Pietenpol-List=0Ahttp://forums.matronics.com=0Ahttp://www.matronics.c ====================== =0A=0A =0A=0A ________________________________ Message 28 ____________________________________ Time: 11:57:21 AM PST US From: V Groah Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Plans for a good fuse workbench Correct good idea. Vic > Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Plans for a good fuse workbench > From: hangar10@cox.net > Date: Thu=2C 10 Feb 2011 09:25:18 -0800 > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > > > > mark.rbrts1(at)gmail.com wrote: > > Oh=2C one other really cool thing: I am drawing the metal parts up in S ketch Up and cleaning them in my CAD program so I can deliver them to an ol d acquaintance I have recently renewed a relationship with. He owns a steel fabrication company=2C and has a laser cutting machine for his fabrication plant. He said "How thick are the parts? NO problem! > > Bring me the pans and I'll cut all those parts for you to perfection!" > > > One word of advice=2C be sure to make the lift strut attach fittings=2C c abane strut fittings and anything else that might be a clearance issue abou t 1/2" longer (perhaps others can chime in). I know that some fittings made to the plans can create minor clearance issues. > > > mark.rbrts1(at)gmail.com wrote: > > Any suggestions on programs to use for the build log online? > > > www.mykitlog.com is powered by the same fella that provide this forum for us. I think the program is $50=2C but it allows you to track build time=2C photos and details=2C expense items=2C vendors=2C etc. You can post an onl ine version to the web and the print version is formatted very nicely and w ill make a nice hardcopy of the log book. Pretty slick tool. If you want to see an example=2C check out my kitlog link in my signature below. > > -------- > Mark Chouinard > Wings=2C Center Section and Empannage framed up - Working on Fuselage > > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=330465#330465 > > > > > > > =========== =========== =========== =========== > > > ________________________________ Message 29 ____________________________________ Time: 12:04:48 PM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Band Type Brake Cable From: Kenneth Bickers I went to a local bicycle shop that specializes in mountain bikes (I know, sort of a redundant statement here in Colorado). The owner special ordered some extra long cables for me. Cost was reasonable, though I don't recall exactly what it was. I haven't mounted the cables yet, so don't have feedback on how well it all works together with the band brakes. Cheers, Ken On Thu, Feb 10, 2011 at 11:02 AM, Michael Perez wrote: > For those of you using the band type brakes...where did you get the > brake cables? Make your own? If you made your own, please fill me in on some > details. > > Michael Perez > Karetaker Aero > www.karetakeraero.com > > * > > * > > ________________________________ Message 30 ____________________________________ Time: 12:38:29 PM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Band Type Brake Cable From: helspersew@aol.com Micheal, Look at Westcoastpiet under Dennis Hall. I took those pictures myself at Br odhead. I basically used his set-up for inspiration for mine. A picture is worth......you know. Dan Helsper Poplar Grove, IL. -----Original Message----- From: Michael Perez Sent: Thu, Feb 10, 2011 12:06 pm Subject: Pietenpol-List: Band Type Brake Cable For those of you using the band type brakes...where did you get the brake c ables? Make your own? If you made your own, please fill me in on some detai ls. Michael Perez Karetaker Aero www.karetakeraero.com -= - The Pietenpol-List Email Forum - -= Use the Matronics List Features Navigator to browse -= the many List utilities such as List Un/Subscription, -= Archive Search & Download, 7-Day Browse, Chat, FAQ, -= Photoshare, and much much more: - -= --> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List - -======================== -= - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS - -= Same great content also available via the Web Forums! - -= --> http://forums.matronics.com - -======================== -= - List Contribution Web Site - -= Thank you for your generous support! -= -Matt Dralle, List Admin. -= --> http://www.matronics.com/contribution -======================== ________________________________ Message 31 ____________________________________ Time: 04:31:53 PM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Band Type Brake Cable From: John Kuhfahl As some of you know, I am rebuilding a 35 year old Piet. I am trying to locate new cables and my best match appears to be golf-cart cables. Keep in mind these will rust internally over time (as mine did). I am looking for heavy cables that I can seal-in lubricant. Stainless would be nice. John On Thu, Feb 10, 2011 at 1:56 PM, Kenneth Bickers wrote: > I went to a local bicycle shop that specializes in mountain bikes (I know, > sort of a redundant statement here in Colorado). The owner special ordered > some extra long cables for me. Cost was reasonable, though I don't recall > exactly what it was. I haven't mounted the cables yet, so don't have > feedback on how well it all works together with the band brakes. Cheers, Ken > > On Thu, Feb 10, 2011 at 11:02 AM, Michael Perez wrote: > >> For those of you using the band type brakes...where did you get the >> brake cables? Make your own? If you made your own, please fill me in on some >> details. >> >> Michael Perez >> Karetaker Aero >> www.karetakeraero.com >> >> * >> >> " target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List >> ttp://forums.matronics.com >> _blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution >> * >> >> > * > > * > > -- John Kuhfahl, Lt Col USAF (Ret), PresIident, KUHLCOUPER LLC ________________________________ Message 32 ____________________________________ Time: 05:12:07 PM PST US From: Michael Perez Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Band Type Brake Cable I did find a place on line that sells cables, brake and throttle, for bikes and go karts. They also sell all the cables, (7x7 and 7x19)outer sheathing, end caps, fittings, etc so you can custom build your own units. I'll be looking into this more and as I get closer to needing them. Michael Perez Karetaker Aero www.karetakeraero.com --- On Thu, 2/10/11, helspersew@aol.com wrote: > From: helspersew@aol.com > Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Band Type Brake Cable > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > Date: Thursday, February 10, 2011, 3:16 PM > > > > > > Micheal, > > > > > > Look at Westcoastpiet under Dennis Hall. I took those > pictures myself at Brodhead. I basically used his set-up for > inspiration for mine. A picture is worth......you > know. > > > > > > Dan Helsper > > > Poplar Grove, IL. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original > Message----- > > From: Michael Perez > > To: pietenpol-list > > Sent: Thu, Feb 10, 2011 12:06 pm > > Subject: Pietenpol-List: Band Type Brake Cable > > > > > > > > > > For those of you using the band type > brakes...where did you get the brake cables? Make your own? > If you made your own, please fill me in on some details. > > > > Michael Perez > > Karetaker Aero > > www.karetakeraero.com > > " > target=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List > p://forums.matronics.com > blank>http://www.matronics.com/contribution > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 33 ____________________________________ Time: 06:10:27 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Plans for a good fuse workbench From: "PShipman" Vic, I take it you and your son are in Fresno??? -------- Perry Shipman Lakeside, CA Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=330538#330538 ________________________________ Message 34 ____________________________________ Time: 07:14:54 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Plans for a good fuse workbench From: "Piet2112" I noticed there is a theme starting to happen. I don't know if Kevin had anything to do with it. But why does everyone have an axel in their workshop? Motivation? If so, I'm going to get one. Does size matter? Curt Merdan Flower Mound, TX Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=330544#330544 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/pietb2_6_11_100_208.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/2011_02_06_09_41_23_311_214_260.jpg ________________________________ Message 35 ____________________________________ Time: 07:16:42 PM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Plans for a good fuse workbench From: Mark Roberts Hey Mark (and all) Thanks for the suggestion on the kitlog software... I will definitely be looking at that in a minute... Also Vic! I didn't know (but suspected) you were that far along on the plane. I just got a new camera (WAY cool too... It'll shoot broadcast quality High Definition video, but it looks like and is a Single Lens Photo camera) that is itching to take pics of your plane. I had planned to call ya and see what it is looking like anyway. I keep your card in my wallet, so I will call before too long. We are moving now and for the next 2 weeks we'll be a biut unsettled, but as soon as I can I will call to come for a visit! Thanks! Mark On Thu, Feb 10, 2011 at 9:25 AM, K5YAC wrote: > > > mark.rbrts1(at)gmail.com wrote: >> Oh, one other really cool thing: I am drawing the metal parts up in Sketch Up and cleaning them in my CAD program so I can deliver them to an old acquaintance I have recently renewed a relationship with. He owns a steel fabrication company, and has a laser cutting machine for his fabrication plant. He said "How thick are the parts? NO problem! >> Bring me the pans and I'll cut all those parts for you to perfection!" > > > One word of advice, be sure to make the lift strut attach fittings, cabane strut fittings and anything else that might be a clearance issue about 1/2" longer (perhaps others can chime in). I know that some fittings made to the plans can create minor clearance issues. > > > mark.rbrts1(at)gmail.com wrote: >> Any suggestions on programs to use for the build log online? > > > www.mykitlog.com is powered by the same fella that provide this forum for us. I think the program is $50, but it allows you to track build time, photos and details, expense items, vendors, etc. You can post an online version to the web and the print version is formatted very nicely and will make a nice hardcopy of the log book. Pretty slick tool. If you want to see an example, check out my kitlog link in my signature below. > > -------- > Mark Chouinard > Wings, Center Section and Empannage framed up - Working on Fuselage > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=330465#330465 > > ________________________________ Message 36 ____________________________________ Time: 07:52:06 PM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Plans for a good fuse workbench From: Mark Roberts Well, at the risk of getting flamed, or worse yet, branded as a Piet Heretic, I am building my virtual Piet in Google Sketch Up because of some of the design elements I am changing to meet my particular needs. At 6'4" and almost as big around, I am needing the extra width to the fuse (28" wide at the back seat) and I am lengthening the nose a bit (Per Bernard's suggestion due to a lighter motor), AND I am using the GA-30-613.5 airfoil. One last thing is the extra bay's I am adding to the wing tips and deepening the spars (keeping them at 1" thick, carefully routed for lightness) and moving the strut connection points out one bay to support the extra bays, and I felt I needed to insure the changes all fit when I hit the shop. I know that sounds like lots of changes, but the design elements all take the same Piet form, and I am building an airplane that will be mine until I decide I don't want it anymore, or can't fly, so I felt I'd build it to fit ME, not Bernard :o) I drew the metal parts (not fully completed) to fit the changes, and that included adding the 1/2" to the strut attachments all around to make the connections easier. I had read comments here about that already. Again, heresy I know, but it's gonna be mine when I'm done :o) Sketchup allowed me to measure the proper distances, and to correct the tail sections to be the proper area to match the wing changes, etc. I know, one change creates a hundred others, but it's kept my head into the dream for a year and a half when I couldn't buy spit. So, it was accomplishing something for me and now I can begin the build proper... Thanks for all the feedback on the table. My first thing I'll be doing (after taking a trip to the Groah's with my camera) is to build the table. Once that is over I will feel as though I am really gonna build me a plane! Mark On Thu, Feb 10, 2011 at 11:46 AM, V Groah wrote: > Correctgood idea. Vic > >> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Plans for a good fuse workbench >> From: hangar10@cox.net >> Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2011 09:25:18 -0800 >> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com >> >> >> >> mark.rbrts1(at)gmail.com wrote: >> > Oh, one other really cool thing: I am drawing the metal parts up in >> > Sketch Up and cleaning them in my CAD program so I can deliver them to an >> > old acquaintance I have recently renewed a relationship with. He owns a >> > steel fabrication company, and has a laser cutting machine for his >> > fabrication plant. He said "How thick are the parts? NO problem! >> > Bring me the pans and I'll cut all those parts for you to perfection!" >> >> >> One word of advice, be sure to make the lift strut attach fittings, cabane >> strut fittings and anything else that might be a clearance issue about 1/2" >> longer (perhaps others can chime in). I know that some fittings made to the >> plans can create minor clearance issues. >> >> >> mark.rbrts1(at)gmail.com wrote: >> > Any suggestions on programs to use for the build log online? >> >> >> www.mykitlog.com is powered by the same fella that provide this forum for >> us. I think the program is $50, but it allows you to track build time, >> photos and details, expense items, vendors, etc. You can post an online >> version to the web and the print version is formatted very nicely and will >> make a nice hardcopy of the log book. Pretty slick tool. If you want to see >> an example, check out my kitlog link in my signature below. >> >> -------- >> Mark Chouinard >> Wings, Center Section and Empannage framed up - Working on Fuselage >> >> >> >> >> >> Read this topic online here: >> >> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=330465#330465 >> >> >> >> > >====================== > &g=================== >> >> >> > > ________________________________ Message 37 ____________________________________ Time: 08:25:19 PM PST US From: Mike Tunnicliffe Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Plans for a good fuse workbench I painted the top of my workbench with white undercoat, parts such as the fuselage can be drawn on the surface with a fine pencil and erased or painted over when finished, my bench has built: a Jodel, a Corby, now a Piet, and a couple of strip canoes, a friend also used it to build a Kr2, each being lofted directly on the surface of the bench. Any dents or holes the bench accumulates can be filled in and painted over like new. Mike T. ________________________________ Message 38 ____________________________________ Time: 09:07:44 PM PST US From: Michael Groah Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Plans for a good fuse workbench Perry, My dad and I are in Tulare Ca (about 45 miles south of Fresno). Mike Groah Sent from my iPhone On Feb 10, 2011, at 6:08 PM, "PShipman" wrote: > > Vic, > > I take it you and your son are in Fresno??? > > -------- > Perry Shipman > Lakeside, CA > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=330538#330538 > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 39 ____________________________________ Time: 09:27:39 PM PST US From: "Clif Dawson" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Plans for a good fuse workbench Why not just put the plan set in sketchup as is and hit the magnification key? That way the whole damn thing will be in proportion only bigger. Right? Am I right or what! Clif :-) "The man who has no imagination has no wings." ~ Muhammad Ali > > At 6'4" and almost as big around, I am needing the extra width to the > fuse (28" wide at the back seat) and I am lengthening the nose a bit > (Per Bernard's suggestion due to a lighter motor), AND I am using the > GA-30-613.5 airfoil. One last thing is the extra bay's I am adding to > the wing tips and deepening the spars (keeping them at 1" thick, > carefully routed for lightness) and moving the strut connection points > out one bay to support the extra bays, and I felt I needed to insure > the changes all fit when I hit the shop. > > I know that sounds like lots of changes, but the design elements all > take the same Piet form, and I am building an airplane that will be > mine until I decide I don't want it anymore, or can't fly, so I felt > I'd build it to fit ME, not Bernard :o) I am really gonna build > me a plane! > > Mark ________________________________ Message 40 ____________________________________ Time: 11:27:09 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Band Type Brake Cable From: "Billy McCaskill" Whatever type of brake cables you end up using, be sure to lube them with grease, and NOT oil... the oil will run out/ evaporate over time (less time than you think) and make the cables stick and bind. I lube the clutch and throttle cables on my motorcycle with lithium grease once a year, and never have problems with them. You can get a small cable lubing device from most any motorcycle shop that clamps around the cable and allows you to use a spray lube in a can with the little red straw to directly inject the lube down into the sheath. Just lube until you see the grease coming out the other end and your cable will be happy for quite some time. -------- Billy McCaskill Urbana, IL tail section almost done, starting on ribs soon Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=330558#330558 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message pietenpol-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Pietenpol-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/pietenpol-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/pietenpol-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.