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1. 04:43 AM - Re: Band Type Brake Cable (Jerry Dotson)
2. 05:26 AM - Re: Re: Plans for a good fuse workbench (airlion)
3. 06:43 AM - Re: Re: Plans for a good fuse workbench (Ryan Mueller)
4. 06:58 AM - Re: leading edge plywood (GliderMike)
5. 07:00 AM - Re: Re: Plans for a good fuse workbench (Charles Waldo)
6. 07:34 AM - Re: UPDATE and return to life! (GliderMike)
7. 07:53 AM - Re: Re: Plans for a good fuse workbench (airlion)
8. 07:53 AM - Re: Re: Plans for a good fuse workbench (KM Heide CPO/FAAOP)
9. 08:09 AM - Re: Re: Plans for a good fuse workbench (Gboothe5)
10. 08:52 AM - Re: Band Type Brake Cable (Billy McCaskill)
11. 09:13 AM - Pilot Height (K5YAC)
12. 09:39 AM - Re: Re: Plans for a good fuse workbench (Mark Roberts)
13. 10:36 AM - Re: Re: UPDATE and return to life! (Rick Holland)
14. 10:44 AM - Re: leading edge plywood (DOMIT)
15. 10:49 AM - Re: Pilot Height (Rick Holland)
16. 10:50 AM - Re: Re: leading edge plywood (Rick Holland)
17. 10:51 AM - Re: Re: UPDATE and return to life! (brian.e.jardine@l-3com.com)
18. 11:09 AM - Re: Re: UPDATE and return to life! (Jim Markle)
19. 11:13 AM - Re: Re: Plans for a good fuse workbench (Mark Roberts)
20. 11:14 AM - Re: Pilot Height (Mark Roberts)
21. 11:47 AM - Re: Re: Plans for a good fuse workbench (Ryan Mueller)
22. 11:54 AM - Re: Re: Plans for a good fuse workbench (Charles Waldo)
23. 11:54 AM - Re: leading edge plywood (kevinpurtee)
24. 11:58 AM - Re: Pilot Height (K5YAC)
25. 11:59 AM - Re: UPDATE and return to life! (Billy McCaskill)
26. 12:26 PM - Re: Re: UPDATE and return to life! (Rick Holland)
27. 12:43 PM - Re: Re: UPDATE and return to life! (Rick Holland)
28. 12:51 PM - Re: Re: UPDATE and return to life! (Ryan Mueller)
29. 01:07 PM - Re: Re: UPDATE and return to life! (brian.e.jardine@l-3com.com)
30. 01:13 PM - hangar life isn't so bad....... (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC AEROSPACE CORP])
31. 01:54 PM - Re: Re: Plans for a good fuse workbench (Mark Roberts)
32. 01:54 PM - Re: Re: UPDATE and return to life! (KM Heide CPO/FAAOP)
33. 01:54 PM - Re: Re: UPDATE and return to life! (Ryan Mueller)
34. 01:55 PM - Re: hangar life isn't so bad....... (Ryan Mueller)
35. 02:04 PM - Re: hangar life isn't so bad....... (Ryan Mueller)
36. 02:05 PM - Re: Re: leading edge plywood (Jack Phillips)
37. 02:26 PM - Re: Re: Pilot Height (Jack Phillips)
38. 02:44 PM - Re: Re: Pilot Height (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC AEROSPACE CORP])
39. 03:03 PM - Re: hangar life isn't so bad....... (Gboothe5)
40. 03:03 PM - man cave hangar decorating (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC AEROSPACE CORP])
41. 03:55 PM - Re: man cave hangar decorating (Ryan Mueller)
42. 04:03 PM - Re: Pilot Height (Ben Charvet)
43. 04:10 PM - Re: Re: Pilot Height (John Hofmann)
44. 04:50 PM - Ribs (Gboothe5)
45. 04:50 PM - Re: man cave hangar decorating (Gboothe5)
46. 04:51 PM - Re: Re: Pilot Height (Ryan Mueller)
47. 04:57 PM - Re: Ribs (Jim Boyer)
48. 05:10 PM - Re: Ribs (Gboothe5)
49. 05:25 PM - Re: hangar life isn't so bad....... (Skip Gadd)
50. 05:25 PM - Re: Ribs (Ryan Mueller)
51. 05:45 PM - Re: Plans for a good fuse workbench (gtche98)
52. 05:50 PM - Re: hangar life isn't so bad....... (Gboothe5)
53. 06:24 PM - Re: man cave hangar decorating (Jack Phillips)
54. 06:24 PM - Re: Re: Plans for a good fuse workbench (Jack Phillips)
55. 06:42 PM - Re: Pilot Height (airlion)
56. 07:04 PM - Need some tunes in the garage. (Andrew M Eldredge)
57. 07:28 PM - Re: Need some tunes in the garage. (Matthew VanDervort)
58. 08:05 PM - Re: Need some tunes in the garage. (Ben Charvet)
59. 08:13 PM - Re: Re: Plans for a good fuse workbench (Charles Waldo)
60. 08:25 PM - Re: Re: Plans for a good fuse workbench (Charles Waldo)
61. 08:51 PM - Re: Pilot Height (K5YAC)
62. 08:52 PM - Re: hangar life isn't so bad....... (Billy McCaskill)
63. 09:00 PM - Finally (BYD)
64. 09:16 PM - Re: Finally (K5YAC)
65. 09:55 PM - Re: Finally (Billy McCaskill)
66. 10:48 PM - Re: hangar life isn't so bad....... (kevinpurtee)
67. 10:55 PM - Help please: MA-3SPA Carb (bubbleboy)
68. 10:57 PM - Re: man cave hangar decorating (kevinpurtee)
69. 11:04 PM - Re: Ribs (kevinpurtee)
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Subject: | Re: Band Type Brake Cable |
I bought bicycles cable at Walmart for about $5 for my mechanical disc brakes.
They are plenty strong for my installation. I tried to break an old cable and
couldn't so that is good enough for me. No lube. I will replace as necessary $5
and 5 minutes. It should get wet many times as it will be inside a hangar when
not flying.
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Jerry Dotson
59 Daniel Johnson Rd
Baker, FL 32531
Started building NX510JD July, 2009
wing, tailfeathers done, fuselage rolling
using Lycoming O-235
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Subject: | Re: Plans for a good fuse workbench |
Mark, you might consider adding 10 inches to the verticle stab as Pat Green did
in florida after getting into a spin and finally recovering at 500 ft. I understand
that the pilot was real tall and blocked out the flow to the tail.
Good luck, Gardiner Mason
--- On Thu, 2/10/11, Mark Roberts <mark.rbrts1@gmail.com> wrote:
> From: Mark Roberts <mark.rbrts1@gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Plans for a good fuse workbench
> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> Date: Thursday, February 10, 2011, 10:47 PM
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted
> by: Mark Roberts <mark.rbrts1@gmail.com>
>
> Well, at the risk of getting flamed, or worse yet, branded
> as a Piet
> Heretic, I am building my virtual Piet in Google Sketch Up
> because of
> some of the design elements I am changing to meet my
> particular needs.
>
> At 6'4" and almost as big around, I am needing the extra
> width to the
> fuse (28" wide at the back seat) and I am lengthening the
> nose a bit
> (Per Bernard's suggestion due to a lighter motor), AND I am
> using the
> GA-30-613.5 airfoil. One last thing is the extra
> bay's I am adding to
> the wing tips and deepening the spars (keeping them at 1"
> thick,
> carefully routed for lightness) and moving the strut
> connection points
> out one bay to support the extra bays, and I felt I needed
> to insure
> the changes all fit when I hit the shop.
>
> I know that sounds like lots of changes, but the design
> elements all
> take the same Piet form, and I am building an airplane that
> will be
> mine until I decide I don't want it anymore, or can't fly,
> so I felt
> I'd build it to fit ME, not Bernard :o)
>
> I drew the metal parts (not fully completed) to fit the
> changes, and
> that included adding the 1/2" to the strut attachments all
> around to
> make the connections easier. I had read comments here about
> that
> already.
>
> Again, heresy I know, but it's gonna be mine when I'm done
> :o)
>
> Sketchup allowed me to measure the proper distances, and to
> correct
> the tail sections to be the proper area to match the wing
> changes,
> etc. I know, one change creates a hundred others, but it's
> kept my
> head into the dream for a year and a half when I couldn't
> buy spit.
> So, it was accomplishing something for me and now I can
> begin the
> build proper...
>
> Thanks for all the feedback on the table. My first thing
> I'll be doing
> (after taking a trip to the Groah's with my camera) is to
> build the
> table. Once that is over I will feel as though I am really
> gonna build
> me a plane!
>
> Mark
>
> On Thu, Feb 10, 2011 at 11:46 AM, V Groah <vgroah@hotmail.com>
> wrote:
> > Correctgood idea. Vic
> >
> >> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Plans for a good fuse
> workbench
> >> From: hangar10@cox.net
> >> Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2011 09:25:18 -0800
> >> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> >>
> <hangar10@cox.net>
> >>
> >>
> >> mark.rbrts1(at)gmail.com wrote:
> >> > Oh, one other really cool thing: I am drawing
> the metal parts up in
> >> > Sketch Up and cleaning them in my CAD program
> so I can deliver them to an
> >> > old acquaintance I have recently renewed a
> relationship with. He owns a
> >> > steel fabrication company, and has a laser
> cutting machine for his
> >> > fabrication plant. He said "How thick are the
> parts? NO problem!
> >> > Bring me the pans and I'll cut all those
> parts for you to perfection!"
> >>
> >>
> >> One word of advice, be sure to make the lift strut
> attach fittings, cabane
> >> strut fittings and anything else that might be a
> clearance issue about 1/2"
> >> longer (perhaps others can chime in). I know that
> some fittings made to the
> >> plans can create minor clearance issues.
> >>
> >>
> >> mark.rbrts1(at)gmail.com wrote:
> >> > Any suggestions on programs to use for the
> build log online?
> >>
> >>
> >> www.mykitlog.com is powered by the same fella that
> provide this forum for
> >> us. I think the program is $50, but it allows you
> to track build time,
> >> photos and details, expense items, vendors, etc.
> You can post an online
> >> version to the web and the print version is
> formatted very nicely and will
> >> make a nice hardcopy of the log book. Pretty slick
> tool. If you want to see
> >> an example, check out my kitlog link in my
> signature below.
> >>
> >> --------
> >> Mark Chouinard
> >> Wings, Center Section and Empannage framed up -
> Working on Fuselage
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Read this topic online here:
> >>
> >> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=330465#330465
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> > >======================
> > &g===================
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
> Email Forum -
> FAQ,
> - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS -
> List Contribution Web Site -
> -Matt
> Dralle, List Admin.
>
>
>
>
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Subject: | Re: Plans for a good fuse workbench |
Must have been someone else flying the airplane, 'cause Pat's no giant:
http://www.flycorvair.com/26612.jpg
<http://www.flycorvair.com/26612.jpg>Ryan
On Fri, Feb 11, 2011 at 7:19 AM, airlion <airlion@bellsouth.net> wrote:
>
> Mark, you might consider adding 10 inches to the verticle stab as Pat Green
> did in florida after getting into a spin and finally recovering at 500 ft. I
> understand that the pilot was real tall and blocked out the flow to the
> tail.
> Good luck, Gardiner Mason
>
> --- On Thu, 2/10/11, Mark Roberts <mark.rbrts1@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > From: Mark Roberts <mark.rbrts1@gmail.com>
> > Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Plans for a good fuse workbench
> > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> > Date: Thursday, February 10, 2011, 10:47 PM
> > --> Pietenpol-List message posted
> > by: Mark Roberts <mark.rbrts1@gmail.com>
> >
> > Well, at the risk of getting flamed, or worse yet, branded
> > as a Piet
> > Heretic, I am building my virtual Piet in Google Sketch Up
> > because of
> > some of the design elements I am changing to meet my
> > particular needs.
> >
> > At 6'4" and almost as big around, I am needing the extra
> > width to the
> > fuse (28" wide at the back seat) and I am lengthening the
> > nose a bit
> > (Per Bernard's suggestion due to a lighter motor), AND I am
> > using the
> > GA-30-613.5 airfoil. One last thing is the extra
> > bay's I am adding to
> > the wing tips and deepening the spars (keeping them at 1"
> > thick,
> > carefully routed for lightness) and moving the strut
> > connection points
> > out one bay to support the extra bays, and I felt I needed
> > to insure
> > the changes all fit when I hit the shop.
> >
> > I know that sounds like lots of changes, but the design
> > elements all
> > take the same Piet form, and I am building an airplane that
> > will be
> > mine until I decide I don't want it anymore, or can't fly,
> > so I felt
> > I'd build it to fit ME, not Bernard :o)
> >
> > I drew the metal parts (not fully completed) to fit the
> > changes, and
> > that included adding the 1/2" to the strut attachments all
> > around to
> > make the connections easier. I had read comments here about
> > that
> > already.
> >
> > Again, heresy I know, but it's gonna be mine when I'm done
> > :o)
> >
> > Sketchup allowed me to measure the proper distances, and to
> > correct
> > the tail sections to be the proper area to match the wing
> > changes,
> > etc. I know, one change creates a hundred others, but it's
> > kept my
> > head into the dream for a year and a half when I couldn't
> > buy spit.
> > So, it was accomplishing something for me and now I can
> > begin the
> > build proper...
> >
> > Thanks for all the feedback on the table. My first thing
> > I'll be doing
> > (after taking a trip to the Groah's with my camera) is to
> > build the
> > table. Once that is over I will feel as though I am really
> > gonna build
> > me a plane!
> >
> > Mark
> >
> > On Thu, Feb 10, 2011 at 11:46 AM, V Groah <vgroah@hotmail.com>
> > wrote:
> > > Correct good idea. Vic
> > >
> > >> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Plans for a good fuse
> > workbench
> > >> From: hangar10@cox.net
> > >> Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2011 09:25:18 -0800
> > >> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> > >>
> > <hangar10@cox.net>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> mark.rbrts1(at)gmail.com wrote:
> > >> > Oh, one other really cool thing: I am drawing
> > the metal parts up in
> > >> > Sketch Up and cleaning them in my CAD program
> > so I can deliver them to an
> > >> > old acquaintance I have recently renewed a
> > relationship with. He owns a
> > >> > steel fabrication company, and has a laser
> > cutting machine for his
> > >> > fabrication plant. He said "How thick are the
> > parts? NO problem!
> > >> > Bring me the pans and I'll cut all those
> > parts for you to perfection!"
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> One word of advice, be sure to make the lift strut
> > attach fittings, cabane
> > >> strut fittings and anything else that might be a
> > clearance issue about 1/2"
> > >> longer (perhaps others can chime in). I know that
> > some fittings made to the
> > >> plans can create minor clearance issues.
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> mark.rbrts1(at)gmail.com wrote:
> > >> > Any suggestions on programs to use for the
> > build log online?
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> www.mykitlog.com is powered by the same fella that
> > provide this forum for
> > >> us. I think the program is $50, but it allows you
> > to track build time,
> > >> photos and details, expense items, vendors, etc.
> > You can post an online
> > >> version to the web and the print version is
> > formatted very nicely and will
> > >> make a nice hardcopy of the log book. Pretty slick
> > tool. If you want to see
> > >> an example, check out my kitlog link in my
> > signature below.
> > >>
> > >> --------
> > >> Mark Chouinard
> > >> Wings, Center Section and Empannage framed up -
> > Working on Fuselage
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> Read this topic online here:
> > >>
> > >> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=330465#330465
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > > >======================
> > > &g===================
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> > Email Forum -
> > FAQ,
> > - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS -
> > List Contribution Web Site -
> > -Matt
> > Dralle, List Admin.
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
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Subject: | Re: leading edge plywood |
A lot of areas in the country are using screws instead of nails when hanging sheetrock
in houses, buildings, etc, because the nails work themselves out eventually.
I suspect humidity changes, could cause the wood or whatever, to expand
and shrink, which could cause the nails to work themselves out. The epoxy coated
and the cement coated nails would be less likely to work themselves out,
but they can still work their way out. Best plan would be to plan ahead, and
plan to pull the nails or staples. If you are past that, keep an eye on everything,
and deal with it if it becomes a problem. There have been a lot of stick
and rag airplanes put together with glue and nails, over the years. some of
them have required rework to fix problems. I plan to use staples to hold things
together, until the glue is cured, then remove the staples. We'll see if
I stick to my plans!
do not archive
--------
HOMEBUILDER
Will WORK for Spruce
Long flights, smooth air, and soft landings,
GliderMike, aka Mike Glasgow
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=330579#330579
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Subject: | Re: Plans for a good fuse workbench |
Mark
Could you post a Jpg of your piet model in sketchup? Just wanted to see
what your model looks like and how far along you are on it.....
Chuck
On Thu, Feb 10, 2011 at 10:47 PM, Mark Roberts <mark.rbrts1@gmail.com>wrote:
>
> Well, at the risk of getting flamed, or worse yet, branded as a Piet
> Heretic, I am building my virtual Piet in Google Sketch Up because of
> some of the design elements I am changing to meet my particular needs.
>
> At 6'4" and almost as big around, I am needing the extra width to the
> fuse (28" wide at the back seat) and I am lengthening the nose a bit
> (Per Bernard's suggestion due to a lighter motor), AND I am using the
> GA-30-613.5 airfoil. One last thing is the extra bay's I am adding to
> the wing tips and deepening the spars (keeping them at 1" thick,
> carefully routed for lightness) and moving the strut connection points
> out one bay to support the extra bays, and I felt I needed to insure
> the changes all fit when I hit the shop.
>
> I know that sounds like lots of changes, but the design elements all
> take the same Piet form, and I am building an airplane that will be
> mine until I decide I don't want it anymore, or can't fly, so I felt
> I'd build it to fit ME, not Bernard :o)
>
> I drew the metal parts (not fully completed) to fit the changes, and
> that included adding the 1/2" to the strut attachments all around to
> make the connections easier. I had read comments here about that
> already.
>
> Again, heresy I know, but it's gonna be mine when I'm done :o)
>
> Sketchup allowed me to measure the proper distances, and to correct
> the tail sections to be the proper area to match the wing changes,
> etc. I know, one change creates a hundred others, but it's kept my
> head into the dream for a year and a half when I couldn't buy spit.
> So, it was accomplishing something for me and now I can begin the
> build proper...
>
> Thanks for all the feedback on the table. My first thing I'll be doing
> (after taking a trip to the Groah's with my camera) is to build the
> table. Once that is over I will feel as though I am really gonna build
> me a plane!
>
> Mark
>
> On Thu, Feb 10, 2011 at 11:46 AM, V Groah <vgroah@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > Correct good idea. Vic
> >
> >> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Plans for a good fuse workbench
> >> From: hangar10@cox.net
> >> Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2011 09:25:18 -0800
> >> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> mark.rbrts1(at)gmail.com wrote:
> >> > Oh, one other really cool thing: I am drawing the metal parts up in
> >> > Sketch Up and cleaning them in my CAD program so I can deliver them to
> an
> >> > old acquaintance I have recently renewed a relationship with. He owns
> a
> >> > steel fabrication company, and has a laser cutting machine for his
> >> > fabrication plant. He said "How thick are the parts? NO problem!
> >> > Bring me the pans and I'll cut all those parts for you to perfection!"
> >>
> >>
> >> One word of advice, be sure to make the lift strut attach fittings,
> cabane
> >> strut fittings and anything else that might be a clearance issue about
> 1/2"
> >> longer (perhaps others can chime in). I know that some fittings made to
> the
> >> plans can create minor clearance issues.
> >>
> >>
> >> mark.rbrts1(at)gmail.com wrote:
> >> > Any suggestions on programs to use for the build log online?
> >>
> >>
> >> www.mykitlog.com is powered by the same fella that provide this forum
> for
> >> us. I think the program is $50, but it allows you to track build time,
> >> photos and details, expense items, vendors, etc. You can post an online
> >> version to the web and the print version is formatted very nicely and
> will
> >> make a nice hardcopy of the log book. Pretty slick tool. If you want to
> see
> >> an example, check out my kitlog link in my signature below.
> >>
> >> --------
> >> Mark Chouinard
> >> Wings, Center Section and Empannage framed up - Working on Fuselage
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Read this topic online here:
> >>
> >> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=330465#330465
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> > >======================
> > &g===================
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
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Subject: | Re: UPDATE and return to life! |
I'm really fortunate, as my wife not only understands my need for a "toy barn"
or "toy garage" she wants half the space for her projects! And her projects require
most of the same tools I want, so eachr of us would actually have three
fourths of the space. We looked at buying a house several years ago, that had
a six car garage with it, and passed on it because we couldn't stand the house
part of the deal. We loved the garage, but the house was really bad.
do not archive
--------
HOMEBUILDER
Will WORK for Spruce
Long flights, smooth air, and soft landings,
GliderMike, aka Mike Glasgow
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=330583#330583
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Subject: | Re: Plans for a good fuse workbench |
Yes someone else was flying. well over 6 ft. Gardiner
________________________________
From: Ryan Mueller <rmueller23@gmail.com>
Sent: Fri, February 11, 2011 9:40:46 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Plans for a good fuse workbench
Must have been someone else flying the airplane, 'cause Pat's no giant:
http://www.flycorvair.com/26612.jpg
Ryan
On Fri, Feb 11, 2011 at 7:19 AM, airlion <airlion@bellsouth.net> wrote:
>
>Mark, you might consider adding 10 inches to the verticle stab as Pat Green did
>in florida after getting into a spin and finally recovering at 500 ft. I
>understand that the pilot was real tall and blocked out the flow to the tail.
>Good luck, Gardiner Mason
>
>--- On Thu, 2/10/11, Mark Roberts <mark.rbrts1@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> From: Mark Roberts <mark.rbrts1@gmail.com>
>
>> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Plans for a good fuse workbench
>
>> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
>> Date: Thursday, February 10, 2011, 10:47 PM
>> --> Pietenpol-List message posted
>
>> by: Mark Roberts <mark.rbrts1@gmail.com>
>>
>> Well, at the risk of getting flamed, or worse yet, branded
>> as a Piet
>> Heretic, I am building my virtual Piet in Google Sketch Up
>> because of
>> some of the design elements I am changing to meet my
>> particular needs.
>
>>
>> At 6'4" and almost as big around, I am needing the extra
>> width to the
>> fuse (28" wide at the back seat) and I am lengthening the
>> nose a bit
>> (Per Bernard's suggestion due to a lighter motor), AND I am
>> using the
>> GA-30-613.5 airfoil. One last thing is the extra
>> bay's I am adding to
>> the wing tips and deepening the spars (keeping them at 1"
>> thick,
>> carefully routed for lightness) and moving the strut
>> connection points
>> out one bay to support the extra bays, and I felt I needed
>> to insure
>> the changes all fit when I hit the shop.
>>
>> I know that sounds like lots of changes, but the design
>> elements all
>> take the same Piet form, and I am building an airplane that
>> will be
>> mine until I decide I don't want it anymore, or can't fly,
>> so I felt
>> I'd build it to fit ME, not Bernard :o)
>>
>> I drew the metal parts (not fully completed) to fit the
>> changes, and
>> that included adding the 1/2" to the strut attachments all
>> around to
>> make the connections easier. I had read comments here about
>> that
>> already.
>>
>> Again, heresy I know, but it's gonna be mine when I'm done
>> :o)
>>
>> Sketchup allowed me to measure the proper distances, and to
>> correct
>> the tail sections to be the proper area to match the wing
>> changes,
>> etc. I know, one change creates a hundred others, but it's
>> kept my
>> head into the dream for a year and a half when I couldn't
>> buy spit.
>> So, it was accomplishing something for me and now I can
>> begin the
>> build proper...
>>
>> Thanks for all the feedback on the table. My first thing
>> I'll be doing
>> (after taking a trip to the Groah's with my camera) is to
>> build the
>> table. Once that is over I will feel as though I am really
>
>> gonna build
>> me a plane!
>>
>> Mark
>>
>> On Thu, Feb 10, 2011 at 11:46 AM, V Groah <vgroah@hotmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> > Correct good idea. Vic
>> >
>> >> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Plans for a good fuse
>> workbench
>> >> From: hangar10@cox.net
>> >> Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2011 09:25:18 -0800
>
>> >> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
>> >>
>
>> <hangar10@cox.net>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> mark.rbrts1(at)gmail.com wrote:
>
>> >> > Oh, one other really cool thing: I am drawing
>> the metal parts up in
>> >> > Sketch Up and cleaning them in my CAD program
>> so I can deliver them to an
>> >> > old acquaintance I have recently renewed a
>> relationship with. He owns a
>> >> > steel fabrication company, and has a laser
>> cutting machine for his
>> >> > fabrication plant. He said "How thick are the
>> parts? NO problem!
>> >> > Bring me the pans and I'll cut all those
>> parts for you to perfection!"
>> >>
>> >>
>
>> >> One word of advice, be sure to make the lift strut
>> attach fittings, cabane
>> >> strut fittings and anything else that might be a
>> clearance issue about 1/2"
>> >> longer (perhaps others can chime in). I know that
>> some fittings made to the
>> >> plans can create minor clearance issues.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> mark.rbrts1(at)gmail.com wrote:
>
>> >> > Any suggestions on programs to use for the
>> build log online?
>> >>
>> >>
>
>> >> www.mykitlog.com is powered by the same fella that
>> provide this forum for
>> >> us. I think the program is $50, but it allows you
>> to track build time,
>> >> photos and details, expense items, vendors, etc.
>> You can post an online
>> >> version to the web and the print version is
>> formatted very nicely and will
>> >> make a nice hardcopy of the log book. Pretty slick
>> tool. If you want to see
>> >> an example, check out my kitlog link in my
>> signature below.
>> >>
>> >> --------
>
>> >> Mark Chouinard
>> >> Wings, Center Section and Empannage framed up -
>> Working on Fuselage
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>
>> >> Read this topic online here:
>> >>
>> >> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=330465#330465
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> > >======================
>> > &g===================
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
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Subject: | Re: Plans for a good fuse workbench |
Mark,
Include me on your post...
Ken Heide
Hawley, MN
--- On Fri, 2/11/11, Charles Waldo <cwaldo.jr@gmail.com> wrote:
> From: Charles Waldo <cwaldo.jr@gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Plans for a good fuse workbench
> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> Date: Friday, February 11, 2011, 8:50 AM
> Mark
>
> Could you post a Jpg of your piet model in
> sketchup? Just wanted to see what yourmodel looks like and
> how far along you are on it.....
>
> Chuck
>
>
> On Thu, Feb 10, 2011
> at 10:47 PM, Mark Roberts <mark.rbrts1@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> --> Pietenpol-List
> message posted by: Mark Roberts <mark.rbrts1@gmail.com>
>
>
> Well, at the risk of getting flamed, or worse yet, branded
> as a Piet
> Heretic, I am building my virtual Piet in Google Sketch Up
> because of
> some of the design elements I am changing to meet my
> particular needs.
>
>
> At 6'4" and almost as big around, I am needing the
> extra width to the
> fuse (28" wide at the back seat) and I am lengthening
> the nose a bit
> (Per Bernard's suggestion due to a lighter motor), AND
> I am using the
>
> GA-30-613.5 airfoil. One last thing is the extra
> bay's I am adding to
> the wing tips and deepening the spars (keeping them at
> 1" thick,
> carefully routed for lightness) and moving the strut
> connection points
>
> out one bay to support the extra bays, and I felt I needed
> to insure
> the changes all fit when I hit the shop.
>
> I know that sounds like lots of changes, but the design
> elements all
> take the same Piet form, and I am building an airplane that
> will be
>
> mine until I decide I don't want it anymore, or
> can't fly, so I felt
> I'd build it to fit ME, not Bernard :o)
>
> I drew the metal parts (not fully completed) to fit the
> changes, and
> that included adding the 1/2" to the strut attachments
> all around to
>
> make the connections easier. I had read comments here about
> that
> already.
>
> Again, heresy I know, but it's gonna be mine when
> I'm done :o)
>
> Sketchup allowed me to measure the proper distances, and to
> correct
>
> the tail sections to be the proper area to match the wing
> changes,
> etc. I know, one change creates a hundred others, but
> it's kept my
> head into the dream for a year and a half when I
> couldn't buy spit.
> So, it was accomplishing something for me and now I can
> begin the
>
> build proper...
>
> Thanks for all the feedback on the table. My first thing
> I'll be doing
> (after taking a trip to the Groah's with my camera) is
> to build the
> table. Once that is over I will feel as though I am really
> gonna build
>
> me a plane!
>
> Mark
>
> On Thu, Feb 10, 2011 at 11:46 AM, V Groah <vgroah@hotmail.com>
> wrote:
> > Correctgood idea. Vic
> >
> >> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Plans for a good fuse
> workbench
>
> >> From: hangar10@cox.net
> >> Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2011 09:25:18 -0800
> >> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> >>
>
> "K5YAC" <hangar10@cox.net>
> >>
> >>
> >> mark.rbrts1(at)gmail.com wrote:
>
> >> > Oh, one other really cool thing: I am drawing
> the metal parts up in
> >> > Sketch Up and cleaning them in my CAD program
> so I can deliver them to an
> >> > old acquaintance I have recently renewed a
> relationship with. He owns a
>
> >> > steel fabrication company, and has a laser
> cutting machine for his
> >> > fabrication plant. He said "How thick
> are the parts? NO problem!
> >> > Bring me the pans and I'll cut all those
> parts for you to perfection!"
>
> >>
> >>
> >> One word of advice, be sure to make the lift strut
> attach fittings, cabane
> >> strut fittings and anything else that might be a
> clearance issue about 1/2"
> >> longer (perhaps others can chime in). I know that
> some fittings made to the
>
> >> plans can create minor clearance issues.
> >>
> >>
> >> mark.rbrts1(at)gmail.com wrote:
> >> > Any suggestions on programs to use for the
> build log online?
>
> >>
> >>
> >> www.mykitlog.com is
> powered by the same fella that provide this forum for
> >> us. I think the program is $50, but it allows you
> to track build time,
>
> >> photos and details, expense items, vendors, etc.
> You can post an online
> >> version to the web and the print version is
> formatted very nicely and will
> >> make a nice hardcopy of the log book. Pretty slick
> tool. If you want to see
>
> >> an example, check out my kitlog link in my
> signature below.
> >>
> >> --------
> >> Mark Chouinard
> >> Wings, Center Section and Empannage framed up -
> Working on Fuselage
> >>
>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Read this topic online here:
> >>
> >> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=330465#330465
>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> > >======================
> > &g===================
> >>
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>
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Subject: | Re: Plans for a good fuse workbench |
He coulda' been wearing his elevator shoes left over from the 70's.
Gary. Do not archive!
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of airlion
Sent: Friday, February 11, 2011 7:51 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Plans for a good fuse workbench
Yes someone else was flying. well over 6 ft. Gardiner
_____
From: Ryan Mueller <rmueller23@gmail.com>
Sent: Fri, February 11, 2011 9:40:46 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Plans for a good fuse workbench
Must have been someone else flying the airplane, 'cause Pat's no giant:
http://www.flycorvair.com/26612.jpg
Ryan
On Fri, Feb 11, 2011 at 7:19 AM, airlion <airlion@bellsouth.net> wrote:
Mark, you might consider adding 10 inches to the verticle stab as Pat Green
did in florida after getting into a spin and finally recovering at 500 ft. I
understand that the pilot was real tall and blocked out the flow to the
tail.
Good luck, Gardiner Mason
--- On Thu, 2/10/11, Mark Roberts <mark.rbrts1@gmail.com> wrote:
> From: Mark Roberts <mark.rbrts1@gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Plans for a good fuse workbench
> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> Date: Thursday, February 10, 2011, 10:47 PM
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted
> by: Mark Roberts <mark.rbrts1@gmail.com>
>
> Well, at the risk of getting flamed, or worse yet, branded
> as a Piet
> Heretic, I am building my virtual Piet in Google Sketch Up
> because of
> some of the design elements I am changing to meet my
> particular needs.
>
> At 6'4" and almost as big around, I am needing the extra
> width to the
> fuse (28" wide at the back seat) and I am lengthening the
> nose a bit
> (Per Bernard's suggestion due to a lighter motor), AND I am
> using the
> GA-30-613.5 airfoil. One last thing is the extra
> bay's I am adding to
> the wing tips and deepening the spars (keeping them at 1"
> thick,
> carefully routed for lightness) and moving the strut
> connection points
> out one bay to support the extra bays, and I felt I needed
> to insure
> the changes all fit when I hit the shop.
>
> I know that sounds like lots of changes, but the design
> elements all
> take the same Piet form, and I am building an airplane that
> will be
> mine until I decide I don't want it anymore, or can't fly,
> so I felt
> I'd build it to fit ME, not Bernard :o)
>
> I drew the metal parts (not fully completed) to fit the
> changes, and
> that included adding the 1/2" to the strut attachments all
> around to
> make the connections easier. I had read comments here about
> that
> already.
>
> Again, heresy I know, but it's gonna be mine when I'm done
> :o)
>
> Sketchup allowed me to measure the proper distances, and to
> correct
> the tail sections to be the proper area to match the wing
> changes,
> etc. I know, one change creates a hundred others, but it's
> kept my
> head into the dream for a year and a half when I couldn't
> buy spit.
> So, it was accomplishing something for me and now I can
> begin the
> build proper...
>
> Thanks for all the feedback on the table. My first thing
> I'll be doing
> (after taking a trip to the Groah's with my camera) is to
> build the
> table. Once that is over I will feel as though I am really
> gonna build
> me a plane!
>
> Mark
>
> On Thu, Feb 10, 2011 at 11:46 AM, V Groah <vgroah@hotmail.com>
> wrote:
> > Correct good idea. Vic
> >
> >> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Plans for a good fuse
> workbench
> >> From: hangar10@cox.net
> >> Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2011 09:25:18 -0800
> >> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> >>
> <hangar10@cox.net>
> >>
> >>
> >> mark.rbrts1(at)gmail.com wrote:
> >> > Oh, one other really cool thing: I am drawing
> the metal parts up in
> >> > Sketch Up and cleaning them in my CAD program
> so I can deliver them to an
> >> > old acquaintance I have recently renewed a
> relationship with. He owns a
> >> > steel fabrication company, and has a laser
> cutting machine for his
> >> > fabrication plant. He said "How thick are the
> parts? NO problem!
> >> > Bring me the pans and I'll cut all those
> parts for you to perfection!"
> >>
> >>
> >> One word of advice, be sure to make the lift strut
> attach fittings, cabane
> >> strut fittings and anything else that might be a
> clearance issue about 1/2"
> >> longer (perhaps others can chime in). I know that
> some fittings made to the
> >> plans can create minor clearance issues.
> >>
> >>
> >> mark.rbrts1(at)gmail.com wrote:
> >> > Any suggestions on programs to use for the
> build log online?
> >>
> >>
> >> www.mykitlog.com is powered by the same fella that
> provide this forum for
> >> us. I think the program is $50, but it allows you
> to track build time,
> >> photos and details, expense items, vendors, etc.
> You can post an online
> >> version to the web and the print version is
> formatted very nicely and will
> >> make a nice hardcopy of the log book. Pretty slick
> tool. If you want to see
> >> an example, check out my kitlog link in my
> signature below.
> >>
> >> --------
> >> Mark Chouinard
> >> Wings, Center Section and Empannage framed up -
> Working on Fuselage
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Read this topic online here:
> >>
> >> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=330465#330465
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> > >======================
> > &g===================
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
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Subject: | Re: Band Type Brake Cable |
Whether your plane is kept inside or not, I'd still advise lubricating the cables.
My motorcycle lives in a nice warm garage whenever it's not being ridden,
and I still lube the cables every year. Last thing I want is a throttle sticking
or a clutch that won't disengage while I'm out riding. Could lead to an
unhappy ending for the day which could have been avoided by 5 or 10 minutes worth
of preventative maintenance.
If you ever fly from a dew-covered grass strip early in the morning (or a paved
strip after a rain), you will get some water slinging up from your wheels, and
that water could potentially get to the brake cables. It doesn't take long
to lube the cables, and it's well worth the time and effort to do so in my opinion.
--------
Billy McCaskill
Urbana, IL
tail section almost done, starting on ribs soon
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I'm a little concerned about some of the comments I've heard recently about pilot
height, for example, in the Workbench thread...
airlion(at)bellsouth.net wrote:
> Mark, you might consider adding 10 inches to the verticle stab as Pat Green did
in florida after getting into a spin and finally recovering at 500 ft. I understand
that the pilot was real tall and blocked out the flow to the tail.
> Good luck, Gardiner Mason
I have been doing my best at keeping with the plans so far. I did raise the height
of my turtle deck a bit, but just barely more than my shoulders would normally
block, and this was only done for proper seatbelt placement. Are any of
you taller pilots experiencing ill effects? Given that I am 6'4" tall, are there
things I should consider in making my airplane more safe or stable? Basically,
do I need more rudder?
Jack P., I know that you are pretty tall... care to comment in the rudder effectiveness
and what might (or should) be done to improve it?
--------
Mark Chouinard
Wings, Center Section and Empannage framed up - Working on Fuselage
Read this topic online here:
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Subject: | Re: Plans for a good fuse workbench |
Interesting Idea.... I ran calculations for the stab and vertical
surfaces to make sure I was increasing them by the appropriate amount
based on the formulas, not just the plans. BUT, I AM tall, and I
deepened the fuse body by 2 inches, but I still will stick out quite a
bit, as I am much bigger than Bernie!
Hummm...
On Fri, Feb 11, 2011 at 5:19 AM, airlion <airlion@bellsouth.net> wrote:
>
> Mark, you might consider adding 10 inches to the verticle stab as Pat Green did
in florida after getting into a spin and finally recovering at 500 ft. I understand
that the pilot was real tall and blocked out the flow to the tail.
> Good luck, Gardiner Mason
>
> --- On Thu, 2/10/11, Mark Roberts <mark.rbrts1@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> From: Mark Roberts <mark.rbrts1@gmail.com>
>> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Plans for a good fuse workbench
>> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
>> Date: Thursday, February 10, 2011, 10:47 PM
>> --> Pietenpol-List message posted
>> by: Mark Roberts <mark.rbrts1@gmail.com>
>>
>> Well, at the risk of getting flamed, or worse yet, branded
>> as a Piet
>> Heretic, I am building my virtual Piet in Google Sketch Up
>> because of
>> some of the design elements I am changing to meet my
>> particular needs.
>>
>> At 6'4" and almost as big around, I am needing the extra
>> width to the
>> fuse (28" wide at the back seat) and I am lengthening the
>> nose a bit
>> (Per Bernard's suggestion due to a lighter motor), AND I am
>> using the
>> GA-30-613.5 airfoil. One last thing is the extra
>> bay's I am adding to
>> the wing tips and deepening the spars (keeping them at 1"
>> thick,
>> carefully routed for lightness) and moving the strut
>> connection points
>> out one bay to support the extra bays, and I felt I needed
>> to insure
>> the changes all fit when I hit the shop.
>>
>> I know that sounds like lots of changes, but the design
>> elements all
>> take the same Piet form, and I am building an airplane that
>> will be
>> mine until I decide I don't want it anymore, or can't fly,
>> so I felt
>> I'd build it to fit ME, not Bernard :o)
>>
>> I drew the metal parts (not fully completed) to fit the
>> changes, and
>> that included adding the 1/2" to the strut attachments all
>> around to
>> make the connections easier. I had read comments here about
>> that
>> already.
>>
>> Again, heresy I know, but it's gonna be mine when I'm done
>> :o)
>>
>> Sketchup allowed me to measure the proper distances, and to
>> correct
>> the tail sections to be the proper area to match the wing
>> changes,
>> etc. I know, one change creates a hundred others, but it's
>> kept my
>> head into the dream for a year and a half when I couldn't
>> buy spit.
>> So, it was accomplishing something for me and now I can
>> begin the
>> build proper...
>>
>> Thanks for all the feedback on the table. My first thing
>> I'll be doing
>> (after taking a trip to the Groah's with my camera) is to
>> build the
>> table. Once that is over I will feel as though I am really
>> gonna build
>> me a plane!
>>
>> Mark
>>
>> On Thu, Feb 10, 2011 at 11:46 AM, V Groah <vgroah@hotmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> > Correctgood idea. Vic
>> >
>> >> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Plans for a good fuse
>> workbench
>> >> From: hangar10@cox.net
>> >> Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2011 09:25:18 -0800
>> >> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
>> >>
>> <hangar10@cox.net>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> mark.rbrts1(at)gmail.com wrote:
>> >> > Oh, one other really cool thing: I am drawing
>> the metal parts up in
>> >> > Sketch Up and cleaning them in my CAD program
>> so I can deliver them to an
>> >> > old acquaintance I have recently renewed a
>> relationship with. He owns a
>> >> > steel fabrication company, and has a laser
>> cutting machine for his
>> >> > fabrication plant. He said "How thick are the
>> parts? NO problem!
>> >> > Bring me the pans and I'll cut all those
>> parts for you to perfection!"
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> One word of advice, be sure to make the lift strut
>> attach fittings, cabane
>> >> strut fittings and anything else that might be a
>> clearance issue about 1/2"
>> >> longer (perhaps others can chime in). I know that
>> some fittings made to the
>> >> plans can create minor clearance issues.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> mark.rbrts1(at)gmail.com wrote:
>> >> > Any suggestions on programs to use for the
>> build log online?
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> www.mykitlog.com is powered by the same fella that
>> provide this forum for
>> >> us. I think the program is $50, but it allows you
>> to track build time,
>> >> photos and details, expense items, vendors, etc.
>> You can post an online
>> >> version to the web and the print version is
>> formatted very nicely and will
>> >> make a nice hardcopy of the log book. Pretty slick
>> tool. If you want to see
>> >> an example, check out my kitlog link in my
>> signature below.
>> >>
>> >> --------
>> >> Mark Chouinard
>> >> Wings, Center Section and Empannage framed up -
>> Working on Fuselage
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Read this topic online here:
>> >>
>> >> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=330465#330465
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> > >======================
>> > &g===================
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
>> Email Forum -
>> FAQ,
>> - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS -
>> List Contribution Web Site -
>> -Matt
>> Dralle, List Admin.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
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Subject: | Re: UPDATE and return to life! |
My wife is just the same, she has as much hobby tools and junk as I do. We
would like to live in a hanger someday as a few EAAers that I know. Hell the
house is just a place to sleep, the hanger is where you live.
rick
On Fri, Feb 11, 2011 at 8:32 AM, GliderMike <glidermikeg@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> I'm really fortunate, as my wife not only understands my need for a "toy
> barn" or "toy garage" she wants half the space for her projects! And her
> projects require most of the same tools I want, so eachr of us would
> actually have three fourths of the space. We looked at buying a house
> several years ago, that had a six car garage with it, and passed on it
> because we couldn't stand the house part of the deal. We loved the garage,
> but the house was really bad.
>
> do not archive
>
> --------
> HOMEBUILDER
> Will WORK for Spruce
> Long flights, smooth air, and soft landings,
> GliderMike, aka Mike Glasgow
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=330583#330583
>
>
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Castle Rock, Colorado
"A Foolish Consistency is the Hobgoblin of Little Minds"
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Subject: | Re: leading edge plywood |
Just a thought on staples... Since epoxy won't stick to duct tape (the outside
of it) how about folding a strip of duct tape (sticky side together) and stapling
through it? When the glue is cured it would make pulling the staples easier...
--------
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First rule of ground school: This is the ground... don't hit it going fast.
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Subject: | Re: Pilot Height |
The seat can be lowered a bit (just put the back of the rear seat closer to
the longeron) and a few people have actually lowered the bottom longerons a
couple inches in the middle to get more fuselage height at the rear seat
(Bill Rewey suggested that).
On Fri, Feb 11, 2011 at 10:10 AM, K5YAC <hangar10@cox.net> wrote:
>
> I'm a little concerned about some of the comments I've heard recently about
> pilot height, for example, in the Workbench thread...
>
>
> airlion(at)bellsouth.net wrote:
> > Mark, you might consider adding 10 inches to the verticle stab as Pat
> Green did in florida after getting into a spin and finally recovering at 500
> ft. I understand that the pilot was real tall and blocked out the flow to
> the tail.
> > Good luck, Gardiner Mason
>
>
> I have been doing my best at keeping with the plans so far. I did raise
> the height of my turtle deck a bit, but just barely more than my shoulders
> would normally block, and this was only done for proper seatbelt placement.
> Are any of you taller pilots experiencing ill effects? Given that I am
> 6'4" tall, are there things I should consider in making my airplane more
> safe or stable? Basically, do I need more rudder?
>
> Jack P., I know that you are pretty tall... care to comment in the rudder
> effectiveness and what might (or should) be done to improve it?
>
> --------
> Mark Chouinard
> Wings, Center Section and Empannage framed up - Working on Fuselage
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=330603#330603
>
>
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Castle Rock, Colorado
"A Foolish Consistency is the Hobgoblin of Little Minds"
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Subject: | Re: leading edge plywood |
Should work, I used strips of plastic milk jug for the same purpose.
On Fri, Feb 11, 2011 at 11:42 AM, DOMIT <rx7_ragtop@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> Just a thought on staples... Since epoxy won't stick to duct tape (the
> outside of it) how about folding a strip of duct tape (sticky side together)
> and stapling through it? When the glue is cured it would make pulling the
> staples easier...
>
> --------
> Brad "DOMIT" Smith
>
> First rule of ground school: This is the ground... don't hit it going
> fast.
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=330615#330615
>
>
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Castle Rock, Colorado
"A Foolish Consistency is the Hobgoblin of Little Minds"
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Subject: | Re: UPDATE and return to life! |
I agree....that's why I built my home at my hangar. I love living at the
airport and have plenty of room for building the Piet. The hanger home
is 1500sq ft and 2 stories, the hangar itself is just under 2000. Even
had a "Markle" visit while it was under construction.
Brian
SLC-UT
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rick
Holland
Sent: Friday, February 11, 2011 11:31 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: UPDATE and return to life!
My wife is just the same, she has as much hobby tools and junk as I do.
We would like to live in a hanger someday as a few EAAers that I know.
Hell the house is just a place to sleep, the hanger is where you live.
rick
On Fri, Feb 11, 2011 at 8:32 AM, GliderMike <glidermikeg@yahoo.com>
wrote:
glidermikeg@yahoo.com>
I'm really fortunate, as my wife not only understands my need for a "toy
barn" or "toy garage" she wants half the space for her projects! And
her projects require most of the same tools I want, so eachr of us would
actually have three fourths of the space. We looked at buying a house
several years ago, that had a six car garage with it, and passed on it
because we couldn't stand the house part of the deal. We loved the
garage, but the house was really bad.
do not archive
--------
HOMEBUILDER
Will WORK for Spruce
Long flights, smooth air, and soft landings,
GliderMike, aka Mike Glasgow
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=330583#330583
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Subject: | Re: Plans for a good fuse workbench |
Well, Chuck, you are really trying to get me Flamed, banned and thrown
off this list! :o)
Glad to share what I have done so far. I know many that would say what
I am doing is perverting a great design, and thus far I have kept my
design elements quiet so as not to disrupt the flow of ideas here, but
perhaps there are other 'larger than should be' folks like me out
there, and so I will share, for better or for worse, my intended
design modifications.
I am not an aeronautical engineer (neither was our beloved designer of
the original), but a long time modeler and designer and I am making
the wing mod's based on structural info I have found that seem to
verify that the wing spars are of more than sufficient strength at 1"
thick, and an additional 1" taller than originally called out --5.75"
in the fore spar, 5 5/8" in the rear--(Bernie's later designs were
using 3/4" thick spars, not the 1" thick he originally drew in the
plans). The wing bays are an added 2' on each side, requiring the
modifications of the tail surfaces to meet the design requirements of
stability with the extra wing. I might add a bit more to the
fin/rudder area to insure the stability and avoid a potential spin
problem mentioned earlier in this posting series. To accommodate the
added wing bays, I moved the spar attachments out one bay, lengthening
the wing struts a bit. I will be putting Jury struts on the struts as
recommended, and required by this additional length.
These mods are not all completed in my sketch up drawing, but some can
be seen in the design attached. I played around with a concept you'll
see on these drawings that I found in a build of another plans built
LSA design: the AMF 14H Miranda. The designed used fiber reinforced
strapping material for the drag/anti-drag wires verses cable and
turnbuckles. He saved a TON of weight, and an equal amount of money as
those turnbuckles cost more than the birth of my children... You can
see this on the website www.mywoodenairplane.com which is an online
build log. The guy has a bunch left over and would most likely sell a
bunch of it cheap. He's a nice guy too... This tape/ribbon is the
stuff you see and get wrapped around any large box that's been
shipped. It's the stuff that has a heat sealed connection with the
other end of the tape where they meet. (It's not the stuff on a roll
that is sticky and you buy it at Office Max... this is the stuff you
can't break for your life.). Many of us have opened this stuff by
turning it over at the joint where the 2 ends meet and peeling one end
away from the other end and it releases the bond... Great stuff for
the drag/anti-drag system, and just as strong as the steel and
turnbuckles they replace. Anyway, that's what you see below drawn
into the wing. It is just one side of it. I need to draw in the other
side of the system, but now I can actually start building, so I will
most likely wait till I get closer to that assembly.
Anyway, this is why it is called 'experimental' right ;o) I won't be
the first guy to try something, but if it looks to be done somewhere
else, I will consider it if it seemed to work out ok for the other guy
:o)
Here's the pics of the drawing so far.
Mark
On Fri, Feb 11, 2011 at 6:50 AM, Charles Waldo <cwaldo.jr@gmail.com> wrote:
> Mark
>
> - Could you post a Jpg of your piet model in sketchup? Just wanted to s
ee
> what your-model looks like and how far along you are on it.....
>
> Chuck
>
> On Thu, Feb 10, 2011 at 10:47 PM, Mark Roberts <mark.rbrts1@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>>
m>
>>
>> Well, at the risk of getting flamed, or worse yet, branded as a Piet
>> Heretic, I am building my virtual Piet in Google Sketch Up because of
>> some of the design elements I am changing to meet my particular needs.
>>
>> At 6'4" and almost as big around, I am needing the extra width to the
>> fuse (28" wide at the back seat) and I am lengthening the nose a bit
>> (Per Bernard's suggestion due to a lighter motor), AND I am using the
>> GA-30-613.5 airfoil. -One last thing is the extra bay's I am adding to
>> the wing tips and deepening the spars (keeping them at 1" thick,
>> carefully routed for lightness) and moving the strut connection points
>> out one bay to support the extra bays, and I felt I needed to insure
>> the changes all fit when I hit the shop.
>>
>> I know that sounds like lots of changes, but the design elements all
>> take the same Piet form, and I am building an airplane that will be
>> mine until I decide I don't want it anymore, or can't fly, so I felt
>> I'd build it to fit ME, not Bernard :o)
>>
>> I drew the metal parts (not fully completed) to fit the changes, and
>> that included adding the 1/2" to the strut attachments all around to
>> make the connections easier. I had read comments here about that
>> already.
>>
>> Again, heresy I know, but it's gonna be mine when I'm done :o)
>>
>> Sketchup allowed me to measure the proper distances, and to correct
>> the tail sections to be the proper area to match the wing changes,
>> etc. I know, one change creates a hundred others, but it's kept my
>> head into the dream for a year and a half when I couldn't buy spit.
>> So, it was accomplishing something for me and now I can begin the
>> build proper...
>>
>> Thanks for all the feedback on the table. My first thing I'll be doing
>> (after taking a trip to the Groah's with my camera) is to build the
>> table. Once that is over I will feel as though I am really gonna build
>> me a plane!
>>
>> Mark
>>
>> On Thu, Feb 10, 2011 at 11:46 AM, V Groah <vgroah@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> > Correct-good idea.- Vic
>> >
>> >> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Plans for a good fuse workbench
>> >> From: hangar10@cox.net
>> >> Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2011 09:25:18 -0800
>> >> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> mark.rbrts1(at)gmail.com wrote:
>> >> > Oh, one other really cool thing: I am drawing the metal parts up in
>> >> > Sketch Up and cleaning them in my CAD program so I can deliver them
>> >> > to an
>> >> > old acquaintance I have recently renewed a relationship with. He ow
ns
>> >> > a
>> >> > steel fabrication company, and has a laser cutting machine for his
>> >> > fabrication plant. He said "How thick are the parts? NO problem!
>> >> > Bring me the pans and I'll cut all those parts for you to
>> >> > perfection!"
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> One word of advice, be sure to make the lift strut attach fittings,
>> >> cabane
>> >> strut fittings and anything else that might be a clearance issue abou
t
>> >> 1/2"
>> >> longer (perhaps others can chime in). I know that some fittings made
to
>> >> the
>> >> plans can create minor clearance issues.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> mark.rbrts1(at)gmail.com wrote:
>> >> > Any suggestions on programs to use for the build log online?
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> www.mykitlog.com is powered by the same fella that provide this forum
>> >> for
>> >> us. I think the program is $50, but it allows you to track build time
,
>> >> photos and details, expense items, vendors, etc. You can post an onli
ne
>> >> version to the web and the print version is formatted very nicely and
>> >> will
>> >> make a nice hardcopy of the log book. Pretty slick tool. If you want
to
>> >> see
>> >> an example, check out my kitlog link in my signature below.
>> >>
>> >> --------
>> >> Mark Chouinard
>> >> Wings, Center Section and Empannage framed up - Working on Fuselage
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Read this topic online here:
>> >>
>> >> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=330465#330465
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> > >======================
>> > &g===================
>> >>
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>> target="_blank">ht======
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Subject: | Re: Pilot Height |
That's what I am planning to do is to lower the seat and add 2" to the
bottom of the fuse design to 'lower' me into the fuse a bit more...
Mark
On Fri, Feb 11, 2011 at 10:46 AM, Rick Holland <at7000ft@gmail.com> wrote:
> The seat can be lowered a bit (just put the back of the rear seat closer to
> the longeron) and a few people have actually lowered the bottom longerons a
> couple inches in the middle to get more fuselage height at the rear seat
> (Bill Rewey suggested that).
>
> On Fri, Feb 11, 2011 at 10:10 AM, K5YAC <hangar10@cox.net> wrote:
>>
>>
>> I'm a little concerned about some of the comments I've heard recently
>> about pilot height, for example, in the Workbench thread...
>>
>>
>> airlion(at)bellsouth.net wrote:
>> > Mark, you might consider adding 10 inches to the verticle stab as Pat
>> > Green did in florida after getting into a spin and finally recovering at 500
>> > ft. I understand that the pilot was real tall and blocked out the flow to
>> > the tail.
>> > Good luck, Gardiner Mason
>>
>>
>> I have been doing my best at keeping with the plans so far. I did raise
>> the height of my turtle deck a bit, but just barely more than my shoulders
>> would normally block, and this was only done for proper seatbelt placement.
>> Are any of you taller pilots experiencing ill effects? Given that I am
>> 6'4" tall, are there things I should consider in making my airplane more
>> safe or stable? Basically, do I need more rudder?
>>
>> Jack P., I know that you are pretty tall... care to comment in the rudder
>> effectiveness and what might (or should) be done to improve it?
>>
>> --------
>> Mark Chouinard
>> Wings, Center Section and Empannage framed up - Working on Fuselage
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Read this topic online here:
>>
>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=330603#330603
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ==========
>> st" target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List
>> ==========
>> http://forums.matronics.com
>> ==========
>> le, List Admin.
>> ="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution
>> ==========
>>
>>
>>
>
>
> --
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> Castle Rock, Colorado
>
> "A Foolish Consistency is the Hobgoblin of Little Minds"
>
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Subject: | Re: Plans for a good fuse workbench |
Well that's great....except, what has worked out for the other guy (thus
far) is installation.....not flight. There's something to be said for
building an airplane with "airplane" parts, not packing material.....well,
if you want to survive the flight part.
Ryan
do not archive
On Fri, Feb 11, 2011 at 1:10 PM, Mark Roberts <mark.rbrts1@gmail.com> wrote:
> <snip>
These mods are not all completed in my sketch up drawing, but some can
> be seen in the design attached. I played around with a concept you'll
> see on these drawings that I found in a build of another plans built
> LSA design: the AMF 14H Miranda. The designed used fiber reinforced
> strapping material for the drag/anti-drag wires verses cable and
> turnbuckles. He saved a TON of weight, and an equal amount of money as
> those turnbuckles cost more than the birth of my children... You can
> see this on the website www.mywoodenairplane.com which is an online
> build log. The guy has a bunch left over and would most likely sell a
> bunch of it cheap. He's a nice guy too... This tape/ribbon is the
> stuff you see and get wrapped around any large box that's been
> shipped. It's the stuff that has a heat sealed connection with the
> other end of the tape where they meet. (It's not the stuff on a roll
> that is sticky and you buy it at Office Max... this is the stuff you
> can't break for your life.). Many of us have opened this stuff by
> turning it over at the joint where the 2 ends meet and peeling one end
> away from the other end and it releases the bond... Great stuff for
> the drag/anti-drag system, and just as strong as the steel and
> turnbuckles they replace. Anyway, that's what you see below drawn
> into the wing. It is just one side of it. I need to draw in the other
> side of the system, but now I can actually start building, so I will
> most likely wait till I get closer to that assembly.
>
> Anyway, this is why it is called 'experimental' right ;o) I won't be
> the first guy to try something, but if it looks to be done somewhere
> else, I will consider it if it seemed to work out ok for the other guy
> :o)
>
> Here's the pics of the drawing so far.
>
> Mark
>
>
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Subject: | Re: Plans for a good fuse workbench |
Mark
Sorry to put your life on the line like this Mike, but I wanted to see
how you did your drawings. I have also put my flame proof long johns on as I
have done the same thing! I thought it would be nice to "build" the plane
first in a computer and see how everything fits together. I'm not a cad guy,
but I did stay at a Holiday Inn once :) I've been at it for a couple of
months in my spare time. Everything but the rib is "stock" to the plans(went
with the 612). I was amazed how many times I had made mistakes and had to
move, cut or remake a part in the model (Just like the real builders do).
I'm glad I did it. It will save me a lot of time, frustration and money in
the building process (I hope). It will also be a great reference as I can
zoom and rotate it to see the part I'm working on and how it fits in with
other parts. The model is almost done and the shop is almost ready to go.
Wood will be here next month. Attached is a picture of my drawing (I
hope).....
Chuck
On Fri, Feb 11, 2011 at 2:10 PM, Mark Roberts <mark.rbrts1@gmail.com> wrote:
> Well, Chuck, you are really trying to get me Flamed, banned and thrown
> off this list! :o)
>
> Glad to share what I have done so far. I know many that would say what
> I am doing is perverting a great design, and thus far I have kept my
> design elements quiet so as not to disrupt the flow of ideas here, but
> perhaps there are other 'larger than should be' folks like me out
> there, and so I will share, for better or for worse, my intended
> design modifications.
>
> I am not an aeronautical engineer (neither was our beloved designer of
> the original), but a long time modeler and designer and I am making
> the wing mod's based on structural info I have found that seem to
> verify that the wing spars are of more than sufficient strength at 1"
> thick, and an additional 1" taller than originally called out --5.75"
> in the fore spar, 5 5/8" in the rear--(Bernie's later designs were
> using 3/4" thick spars, not the 1" thick he originally drew in the
> plans). The wing bays are an added 2' on each side, requiring the
> modifications of the tail surfaces to meet the design requirements of
> stability with the extra wing. I might add a bit more to the
> fin/rudder area to insure the stability and avoid a potential spin
> problem mentioned earlier in this posting series. To accommodate the
> added wing bays, I moved the spar attachments out one bay, lengthening
> the wing struts a bit. I will be putting Jury struts on the struts as
> recommended, and required by this additional length.
>
> These mods are not all completed in my sketch up drawing, but some can
> be seen in the design attached. I played around with a concept you'll
> see on these drawings that I found in a build of another plans built
> LSA design: the AMF 14H Miranda. The designed used fiber reinforced
> strapping material for the drag/anti-drag wires verses cable and
> turnbuckles. He saved a TON of weight, and an equal amount of money as
> those turnbuckles cost more than the birth of my children... You can
> see this on the website www.mywoodenairplane.com which is an online
> build log. The guy has a bunch left over and would most likely sell a
> bunch of it cheap. He's a nice guy too... This tape/ribbon is the
> stuff you see and get wrapped around any large box that's been
> shipped. It's the stuff that has a heat sealed connection with the
> other end of the tape where they meet. (It's not the stuff on a roll
> that is sticky and you buy it at Office Max... this is the stuff you
> can't break for your life.). Many of us have opened this stuff by
> turning it over at the joint where the 2 ends meet and peeling one end
> away from the other end and it releases the bond... Great stuff for
> the drag/anti-drag system, and just as strong as the steel and
> turnbuckles they replace. Anyway, that's what you see below drawn
> into the wing. It is just one side of it. I need to draw in the other
> side of the system, but now I can actually start building, so I will
> most likely wait till I get closer to that assembly.
>
> Anyway, this is why it is called 'experimental' right ;o) I won't be
> the first guy to try something, but if it looks to be done somewhere
> else, I will consider it if it seemed to work out ok for the other guy
> :o)
>
> Here's the pics of the drawing so far.
>
> Mark
>
>
> On Fri, Feb 11, 2011 at 6:50 AM, Charles Waldo <cwaldo.jr@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > Mark
> >
> > Could you post a Jpg of your piet model in sketchup? Just wanted to see
> > what your model looks like and how far along you are on it.....
> >
> > Chuck
> >
> > On Thu, Feb 10, 2011 at 10:47 PM, Mark Roberts <mark.rbrts1@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >>
> mark.rbrts1@gmail.com>
> >>
> >> Well, at the risk of getting flamed, or worse yet, branded as a Piet
> >> Heretic, I am building my virtual Piet in Google Sketch Up because of
> >> some of the design elements I am changing to meet my particular needs.
> >>
> >> At 6'4" and almost as big around, I am needing the extra width to the
> >> fuse (28" wide at the back seat) and I am lengthening the nose a bit
> >> (Per Bernard's suggestion due to a lighter motor), AND I am using the
> >> GA-30-613.5 airfoil. One last thing is the extra bay's I am adding to
> >> the wing tips and deepening the spars (keeping them at 1" thick,
> >> carefully routed for lightness) and moving the strut connection points
> >> out one bay to support the extra bays, and I felt I needed to insure
> >> the changes all fit when I hit the shop.
> >>
> >> I know that sounds like lots of changes, but the design elements all
> >> take the same Piet form, and I am building an airplane that will be
> >> mine until I decide I don't want it anymore, or can't fly, so I felt
> >> I'd build it to fit ME, not Bernard :o)
> >>
> >> I drew the metal parts (not fully completed) to fit the changes, and
> >> that included adding the 1/2" to the strut attachments all around to
> >> make the connections easier. I had read comments here about that
> >> already.
> >>
> >> Again, heresy I know, but it's gonna be mine when I'm done :o)
> >>
> >> Sketchup allowed me to measure the proper distances, and to correct
> >> the tail sections to be the proper area to match the wing changes,
> >> etc. I know, one change creates a hundred others, but it's kept my
> >> head into the dream for a year and a half when I couldn't buy spit.
> >> So, it was accomplishing something for me and now I can begin the
> >> build proper...
> >>
> >> Thanks for all the feedback on the table. My first thing I'll be doing
> >> (after taking a trip to the Groah's with my camera) is to build the
> >> table. Once that is over I will feel as though I am really gonna build
> >> me a plane!
> >>
> >> Mark
> >>
> >> On Thu, Feb 10, 2011 at 11:46 AM, V Groah <vgroah@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >> > Correct good idea. Vic
> >> >
> >> >> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Plans for a good fuse workbench
> >> >> From: hangar10@cox.net
> >> >> Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2011 09:25:18 -0800
> >> >> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> mark.rbrts1(at)gmail.com wrote:
> >> >> > Oh, one other really cool thing: I am drawing the metal parts up in
> >> >> > Sketch Up and cleaning them in my CAD program so I can deliver them
> >> >> > to an
> >> >> > old acquaintance I have recently renewed a relationship with. He
> owns
> >> >> > a
> >> >> > steel fabrication company, and has a laser cutting machine for his
> >> >> > fabrication plant. He said "How thick are the parts? NO problem!
> >> >> > Bring me the pans and I'll cut all those parts for you to
> >> >> > perfection!"
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> One word of advice, be sure to make the lift strut attach fittings,
> >> >> cabane
> >> >> strut fittings and anything else that might be a clearance issue
> about
> >> >> 1/2"
> >> >> longer (perhaps others can chime in). I know that some fittings made
> to
> >> >> the
> >> >> plans can create minor clearance issues.
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> mark.rbrts1(at)gmail.com wrote:
> >> >> > Any suggestions on programs to use for the build log online?
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> www.mykitlog.com is powered by the same fella that provide this
> forum
> >> >> for
> >> >> us. I think the program is $50, but it allows you to track build
> time,
> >> >> photos and details, expense items, vendors, etc. You can post an
> online
> >> >> version to the web and the print version is formatted very nicely and
> >> >> will
> >> >> make a nice hardcopy of the log book. Pretty slick tool. If you want
> to
> >> >> see
> >> >> an example, check out my kitlog link in my signature below.
> >> >>
> >> >> --------
> >> >> Mark Chouinard
> >> >> Wings, Center Section and Empannage framed up - Working on Fuselage
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> Read this topic online here:
> >> >>
> >> >> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=330465#330465
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> > >======================
> >> > &g===================
> >> >>
> >> >&=====
> >> -Day Browse, Chat, FAQ,
> >> ="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List"
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Subject: | Re: leading edge plywood |
For Gene - If you're not an expert then I've got problems. I've relied on you
for some pretty signicant opinions.
My wing's stiff 'cause I used steel plate. [Wink]
Kevin
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Kevin "Axel" Purtee
NX899KP
Austin/Georgetown, TX
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Subject: | Re: Pilot Height |
Well... the fuse is built as per the plans. I was advised NOT to go changing the
dimensions as it would just cause issues elsewhere. I can see how bending
a slightly deeper curve in the lower longerons at the rear seat might have helped,
and probably wouldn't have caused much of an issue, but it is what it is...
and I'm going to fly it. I just hope she is the gentle flier that everyone
describes.
Surely I'm not the first tall guy to try this... still waiting to hear from others.
I know that I asked a similar question back when I first started building
and nothing scared me off... I'm going to go look for that thread.
--------
Mark Chouinard
Wings, Center Section and Empannage framed up - Working on Fuselage
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Subject: | Re: UPDATE and return to life! |
I also proposed the idea of building a nice loft apartment in a hangar for us to
live in, but my wife summarily shot that idea down with great haste. At least
I tried... [Rolling Eyes] Guess I'll be building my Piet in the garage...
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Billy McCaskill
Urbana, IL
tail section almost done, starting on ribs soon
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Subject: | Re: UPDATE and return to life! |
Would like to visit sometime also Brian, to get some home-in-a-hanger desig
n
ideas (and seeing your Piet also, of course).
rick
On Fri, Feb 11, 2011 at 11:47 AM, <brian.e.jardine@l-3com.com> wrote:
> I agree=85.that=92s why I built my home at my hangar. I love living at th
e
> airport and have plenty of room for building the Piet. The hanger home is
> 1500sq ft and 2 stories, the hangar itself is just under 2000. Even had
a
> =93Markle=94 visit while it was under construction.
>
>
> Brian
>
> SLC-UT
>
>
> *From:* owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:
> owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Rick Holland
> *Sent:* Friday, February 11, 2011 11:31 AM
> *To:* pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> *Subject:* Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: UPDATE and return to life!
>
>
> My wife is just the same, she has as much hobby tools and junk as I do. W
e
> would like to live in a hanger someday as a few EAAers that I know. Hell
the
> house is just a place to sleep, the hanger is where you live.
>
> rick
>
> On Fri, Feb 11, 2011 at 8:32 AM, GliderMike <glidermikeg@yahoo.com> wrote
:
>
>
>
> I'm really fortunate, as my wife not only understands my need for a "toy
> barn" or "toy garage" she wants half the space for her projects! And her
> projects require most of the same tools I want, so eachr of us would
> actually have three fourths of the space. We looked at buying a house
> several years ago, that had a six car garage with it, and passed on it
> because we couldn't stand the house part of the deal. We loved the garage
,
> but the house was really bad.
>
> do not archive
>
> --------
> HOMEBUILDER
> Will WORK for Spruce
> Long flights, smooth air, and soft landings,
> GliderMike, aka Mike Glasgow
>
>
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Subject: | Re: UPDATE and return to life! |
Yes, finding a spouse that is willing to live in an airplane hanger makes
the task of building the most complicated aircraft you can find plans for
seem like a walk in the park.
If you go to any city where is the most undesirable/cheapest land?
1) at or near a nuclear/toxic waste dump
2) at or near a landfill
3) at or near an auto wrecking yard
4) at or near an AIRPORT
Almost nobody wants to live near a stinkin airport much less in one and very
few wives want to tell there friends at bridge club that not only do they
live at an airport but they live in a stinkin hanger AT the airport (and not
just temporarily until they finish building a house).
rick
On Fri, Feb 11, 2011 at 12:57 PM, Billy McCaskill <billmz@cox.net> wrote:
>
> I also proposed the idea of building a nice loft apartment in a hangar for
> us to live in, but my wife summarily shot that idea down with great haste.
> At least I tried... [Rolling Eyes] Guess I'll be building my Piet in
> the garage...
>
>
> do not archive
>
> --------
> Billy McCaskill
> Urbana, IL
> tail section almost done, starting on ribs soon
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=330635#330635
>
>
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Rick Holland
Castle Rock, Colorado
"A Foolish Consistency is the Hobgoblin of Little Minds"
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Subject: | Re: UPDATE and return to life! |
Well, I guess those of us now unencumbered have something to strive for! :P
Ryan
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On Fri, Feb 11, 2011 at 1:57 PM, Billy McCaskill <billmz@cox.net> wrote:
>
> I also proposed the idea of building a nice loft apartment in a hangar for
> us to live in, but my wife summarily shot that idea down with great haste.
> At least I tried... [Rolling Eyes] Guess I'll be building my Piet in
> the garage...
>
>
> do not archive
>
> --------
> Billy McCaskill
> Urbana, IL
> tail section almost done, starting on ribs soon
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=330635#330635
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Subject: | hangar life isn't so bad....... |
Don't you worry Billy......a hangar CAN be cheaper than therapy, counseling
, or divorce so keep the dream alive
and once you DO get your plane built you can deck out your hangar to make i
t comfy and fun for yourself.
Some guys go to the boat dock, some to the ball game, some play darts, some
go hunting, some go fishing but when
I want to hear the birds chirping and decompress I just go the hangar and c
hange the oil, listen to the radio, put on some
old time CD music, cook out on the grill, or just sit there in the shade wa
tching people do takeoff and landings...some
of them downwind and just wait to hear the squeal of the brakes, the rubber
being worn off in nice flat spots for the next
renter pilot to feel the rhythmic thump, thump, thump of the wheels.
Ah yes, hangar life is wonderful ! (until some butt head comes over and
starts expounding about the good old days when
avgas as 5 cents a gallon or asks you how many horse power your Volkswagon
engine puts out in your 'ultralight'....and how
they had Pietenpol plans in their attic somewhere and always did want to bu
ild an airplane....and then they'll tell you what you did
wrong and question your ability to do your own sign-offs on the yearly insp
ections and maintenance. Other than that, it's GREAT !
Mike C.
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Subject: | Re: Plans for a good fuse workbench |
Nicely Done! Did you do that in Sketch Up?
Mark
On Fri, Feb 11, 2011 at 11:51 AM, Charles Waldo <cwaldo.jr@gmail.com> wrote:
> Mark
>
> Sorry to put your life on the line like this Mike, but I wanted to see
> how you did your drawings. I have also put my flame proof long johns on as I
> have done the same thing! I thought it would be nice to "build" the plane
> first in a computer and see how everything fits together. I'm not a cad guy,
> but I did stay at a Holiday Inn once :) I've been at it for a couple of
> months in my spare time. Everything but the rib is "stock" to the plans(went
> with the 612). I was amazed how many times I had made mistakes and had to
> move, cut or remake a part in the model (Just like the real builders do).
> I'm glad I did it. It will save me a lot of time, frustrationand money in
> the building process (I hope). It will also be a great reference as I can
> zoom and rotate it to see the part I'm working on and how it fits in with
> other parts.Themodel isalmost done and the shop is almost ready to go.
> Wood will be here next month. Attached is a pictureof my drawing (I
> hope).....
>
> Chuck
>
> On Fri, Feb 11, 2011 at 2:10 PM, Mark Roberts <mark.rbrts1@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Well, Chuck, you are really trying to get me Flamed, banned and thrown
>> off this list! :o)
>>
>> Glad to share what I have done so far. I know many that would say what
>> I am doing is perverting a great design, and thus far I have kept my
>> design elements quiet so as not to disrupt the flow of ideas here, but
>> perhaps there are other 'larger than should be' folks like me out
>> there, and so I will share, for better or for worse, my intended
>> design modifications.
>>
>> I am not an aeronautical engineer (neither was our beloved designer of
>> the original), but a long time modeler and designer and I am making
>> the wing mod's based on structural info I have found that seem to
>> verify that the wing spars are of more than sufficient strength at 1"
>> thick, and an additional 1" taller than originally called out --5.75"
>> in the fore spar, 5 5/8" in the rear--(Bernie's later designs were
>> using 3/4" thick spars, not the 1" thick he originally drew in the
>> plans). The wing bays are an added 2' on each side, requiring the
>> modifications of the tail surfaces to meet the design requirements of
>> stability with the extra wing. I might add a bit more to the
>> fin/rudder area to insure the stability and avoid a potential spin
>> problem mentioned earlier in this posting series. To accommodate the
>> added wing bays, I moved the spar attachments out one bay, lengthening
>> the wing struts a bit. I will be putting Jury struts on the struts as
>> recommended, and required by this additional length.
>>
>> These mods are not all completed in my sketch up drawing, but some can
>> be seen in the design attached. I played around with a concept you'll
>> see on these drawings that I found in a build of another plans built
>> LSA design: the AMF 14H Miranda. The designed used fiber reinforced
>> strapping material for the drag/anti-drag wires verses cable and
>> turnbuckles. He saved a TON of weight, and an equal amount of money as
>> those turnbuckles cost more than the birth of my children... You can
>> see this on the website www.mywoodenairplane.com which is an online
>> build log. The guy has a bunch left over and would most likely sell a
>> bunch of it cheap. He's a nice guy too... This tape/ribbon is the
>> stuff you see and get wrapped around any large box that's been
>> shipped. It's the stuff that has a heat sealed connection with the
>> other end of the tape where they meet. (It's not the stuff on a roll
>> that is sticky and you buy it at Office Max... this is the stuff you
>> can't break for your life.). Many of us have opened this stuff by
>> turning it over at the joint where the 2 ends meet and peeling one end
>> away from the other end and it releases the bond... Great stuff for
>> the drag/anti-drag system, and just as strong as the steel and
>> turnbuckles they replace. Anyway, that's what you see below drawn
>> into the wing. It is just one side of it. I need to draw in the other
>> side of the system, but now I can actually start building, so I will
>> most likely wait till I get closer to that assembly.
>>
>> Anyway, this is why it is called 'experimental' right ;o) I won't be
>> the first guy to try something, but if it looks to be done somewhere
>> else, I will consider it if it seemed to work out ok for the other guy
>> :o)
>>
>> Here's the pics of the drawing so far.
>>
>> Mark
>>
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Feb 11, 2011 at 6:50 AM, Charles Waldo <cwaldo.jr@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> > Mark
>> >
>> > Could you post a Jpg of your piet model in sketchup? Just wanted to
>> > see
>> > what yourmodel looks like and how far along you are on it.....
>> >
>> > Chuck
>> >
>> > On Thu, Feb 10, 2011 at 10:47 PM, Mark Roberts <mark.rbrts1@gmail.com>
>> > wrote:
>> >>
>> >> <mark.rbrts1@gmail.com>
>> >>
>> >> Well, at the risk of getting flamed, or worse yet, branded as a Piet
>> >> Heretic, I am building my virtual Piet in Google Sketch Up because of
>> >> some of the design elements I am changing to meet my particular needs.
>> >>
>> >> At 6'4" and almost as big around, I am needing the extra width to the
>> >> fuse (28" wide at the back seat) and I am lengthening the nose a bit
>> >> (Per Bernard's suggestion due to a lighter motor), AND I am using the
>> >> GA-30-613.5 airfoil. One last thing is the extra bay's I am adding to
>> >> the wing tips and deepening the spars (keeping them at 1" thick,
>> >> carefully routed for lightness) and moving the strut connection points
>> >> out one bay to support the extra bays, and I felt I needed to insure
>> >> the changes all fit when I hit the shop.
>> >>
>> >> I know that sounds like lots of changes, but the design elements all
>> >> take the same Piet form, and I am building an airplane that will be
>> >> mine until I decide I don't want it anymore, or can't fly, so I felt
>> >> I'd build it to fit ME, not Bernard :o)
>> >>
>> >> I drew the metal parts (not fully completed) to fit the changes, and
>> >> that included adding the 1/2" to the strut attachments all around to
>> >> make the connections easier. I had read comments here about that
>> >> already.
>> >>
>> >> Again, heresy I know, but it's gonna be mine when I'm done :o)
>> >>
>> >> Sketchup allowed me to measure the proper distances, and to correct
>> >> the tail sections to be the proper area to match the wing changes,
>> >> etc. I know, one change creates a hundred others, but it's kept my
>> >> head into the dream for a year and a half when I couldn't buy spit.
>> >> So, it was accomplishing something for me and now I can begin the
>> >> build proper...
>> >>
>> >> Thanks for all the feedback on the table. My first thing I'll be doing
>> >> (after taking a trip to the Groah's with my camera) is to build the
>> >> table. Once that is over I will feel as though I am really gonna build
>> >> me a plane!
>> >>
>> >> Mark
>> >>
>> >> On Thu, Feb 10, 2011 at 11:46 AM, V Groah <vgroah@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> >> > Correctgood idea. Vic
>> >> >
>> >> >> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Plans for a good fuse workbench
>> >> >> From: hangar10@cox.net
>> >> >> Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2011 09:25:18 -0800
>> >> >> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> mark.rbrts1(at)gmail.com wrote:
>> >> >> > Oh, one other really cool thing: I am drawing the metal parts up
>> >> >> > in
>> >> >> > Sketch Up and cleaning them in my CAD program so I can deliver
>> >> >> > them
>> >> >> > to an
>> >> >> > old acquaintance I have recently renewed a relationship with. He
>> >> >> > owns
>> >> >> > a
>> >> >> > steel fabrication company, and has a laser cutting machine for his
>> >> >> > fabrication plant. He said "How thick are the parts? NO problem!
>> >> >> > Bring me the pans and I'll cut all those parts for you to
>> >> >> > perfection!"
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> One word of advice, be sure to make the lift strut attach fittings,
>> >> >> cabane
>> >> >> strut fittings and anything else that might be a clearance issue
>> >> >> about
>> >> >> 1/2"
>> >> >> longer (perhaps others can chime in). I know that some fittings made
>> >> >> to
>> >> >> the
>> >> >> plans can create minor clearance issues.
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> mark.rbrts1(at)gmail.com wrote:
>> >> >> > Any suggestions on programs to use for the build log online?
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> www.mykitlog.com is powered by the same fella that provide this
>> >> >> forum
>> >> >> for
>> >> >> us. I think the program is $50, but it allows you to track build
>> >> >> time,
>> >> >> photos and details, expense items, vendors, etc. You can post an
>> >> >> online
>> >> >> version to the web and the print version is formatted very nicely
>> >> >> and
>> >> >> will
>> >> >> make a nice hardcopy of the log book. Pretty slick tool. If you want
>> >> >> to
>> >> >> see
>> >> >> an example, check out my kitlog link in my signature below.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> --------
>> >> >> Mark Chouinard
>> >> >> Wings, Center Section and Empannage framed up - Working on Fuselage
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Read this topic online here:
>> >> >>
>> >> >> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=330465#330465
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> > >======================
>> >> > &g===================
>> >> >>
>> >> >&=====
>> >> -Day Browse, Chat, FAQ,
>> >> ="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List"
>> >> target="_blank">ht======
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Brian,
Does she have a friend?
Ken.... Near an Airport!
--- On Fri, 2/11/11, brian.e.jardine@l-3com.com <brian.e.jardine@l-3com.com> wrote:
> From: brian.e.jardine@l-3com.com <brian.e.jardine@l-3com.com>
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: UPDATE and return to life!
> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> Date: Friday, February 11, 2011, 3:04 PM
>
> I guess I have to consider myself one of the lucky
> ones....the hangar home was supposed to be a bachelor
> pad....but during construction I met wife #2 and when she
> said she wanted to live at the airport in the hangar and
> loved planes, I hurried and put a ring on that finger!
> Brian SLC-UT
>
>
>
>
> From: Rick Holland [mailto:at7000ft@gmail.com]
> Sent: Friday, February 11, 2011 01:41 PM
> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> <pietenpol-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: UPDATE and return
> to life!
>
>
> Yes, finding a spouse that is willing to live in an
> airplane hanger makes the task of building the most
> complicated aircraft you can find plans for seem like a walk
> in the park.
>
> If you go to any city where is the most
> undesirable/cheapest land?
>
> 1) at or near a nuclear/toxic waste dump
> 2) at or near a landfill
> 3) at or near an auto wrecking yard
> 4) at or near an AIRPORT
>
> Almost nobody wants to live near a stinkin airport much
> less in one and very few wives want to tell there friends at
> bridge club that not only do they live at an airport but
> they live in a stinkin hanger AT the airport (and not just
> temporarily until they finish building a house).
>
>
> rick
>
> On Fri, Feb 11, 2011
> at 12:57 PM, Billy McCaskill <billmz@cox.net>
> wrote:
>
> McCaskill" <billmz@cox.net>
>
>
>
> I also proposed the idea of building a nice loft apartment
> in a hangar for us to live in, but my wife summarily shot
> that idea down with great haste. At least I tried...
> [Rolling Eyes] Guess I'll be building my Piet
> in the garage...
>
>
>
>
>
>
> do not archive
>
>
>
> --------
>
> Billy McCaskill
>
> Urbana, IL
>
> tail section almost done, starting on ribs soon
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
>
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=330635#330635
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ==========
>
> st"
> target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List
>
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>
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>
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>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> --
> Rick Holland
> Castle Rock, Colorado
>
> "A Foolish Consistency is the Hobgoblin of Little
> Minds"
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ~,g(M4Gqz.'8^>'zzhIQhR'Eyn
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Subject: | Re: UPDATE and return to life! |
Lucky dog! We can hate on you now, out of jealousy. :P
Ryan
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On Fri, Feb 11, 2011 at 3:04 PM, <brian.e.jardine@l-3com.com> wrote:
> I guess I have to consider myself one of the lucky ones....the hangar home
> was supposed to be a bachelor pad....but during construction I met wife #2
> and when she said she wanted to live at the airport in the hangar and loved
> planes, I hurried and put a ring on that finger! Brian SLC-UT
>
> *From*: Rick Holland [mailto:at7000ft@gmail.com]
> *Sent*: Friday, February 11, 2011 01:41 PM
> *To*: pietenpol-list@matronics.com <pietenpol-list@matronics.com>
> *Subject*: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: UPDATE and return to life!
>
> Yes, finding a spouse that is willing to live in an airplane hanger makes
> the task of building the most complicated aircraft you can find plans for
> seem like a walk in the park.
>
> If you go to any city where is the most undesirable/cheapest land?
> 1) at or near a nuclear/toxic waste dump
> 2) at or near a landfill
> 3) at or near an auto wrecking yard
> 4) at or near an AIRPORT
>
> Almost nobody wants to live near a stinkin airport much less in one and
> very few wives want to tell there friends at bridge club that not only do
> they live at an airport but they live in a stinkin hanger AT the airport
> (and not just temporarily until they finish building a house).
>
> rick
>
> On Fri, Feb 11, 2011 at 12:57 PM, Billy McCaskill <billmz@cox.net> wrote:
>
>>
>> I also proposed the idea of building a nice loft apartment in a hangar for
>> us to live in, but my wife summarily shot that idea down with great haste.
>> At least I tried... [Rolling Eyes] Guess I'll be building my Piet in
>> the garage...
>>
>>
>> do not archive
>>
>> --------
>> Billy McCaskill
>> Urbana, IL
>> tail section almost done, starting on ribs soon
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Read this topic online here:
>>
>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=330635#330635
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
> --
> Rick Holland
> Castle Rock, Colorado
>
> "A Foolish Consistency is the Hobgoblin of Little Minds"
>
> *
>
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Subject: | Re: hangar life isn't so bad....... |
Mikee, your hangar puts "man caves" to shame. I love the desk, and the
radio...
Ryan
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On Fri, Feb 11, 2011 at 3:08 PM, Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC AEROSPACE
CORP] <michael.d.cuy@nasa.gov> wrote:
> Don=92t you worry Billy=85=85a hangar CAN be cheaper than therapy, counse
ling, or
> divorce so keep the dream alive
>
> and once you DO get your plane built you can deck out your hangar to make
> it comfy and fun for yourself.
>
>
> Some guys go to the boat dock, some to the ball game, some play darts, so
me
> go hunting, some go fishing but when
>
> I want to hear the birds chirping and decompress I just go the hangar and
> change the oil, listen to the radio, put on some
>
> old time CD music, cook out on the grill, or just sit there in the shade
> watching people do takeoff and landings=85some
>
> of them downwind and just wait to hear the squeal of the brakes, the rubb
er
> being worn off in nice flat spots for the next
>
> renter pilot to feel the rhythmic thump, thump, thump of the wheels.
>
>
> Ah yes, hangar life is wonderful ! (until some butt head comes over a
nd
> starts expounding about the good old days when
>
> avgas as 5 cents a gallon or asks you how many horse power your Volkswago
n
> engine puts out in your =91ultralight=92=85.and how
>
> they had Pietenpol plans in their attic somewhere and always did want to
> build an airplane=85.and then they=92ll tell you what you did
>
> wrong and question your ability to do your own sign-offs on the yearly
> inspections and maintenance. Other than that, it=92s GREAT !
>
>
> Mike C.
>
>
> do not archive
>
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Subject: | Re: hangar life isn't so bad....... |
Much cheaper, and will probably hold the value better than a house :P
Ryan
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On Fri, Feb 11, 2011 at 3:08 PM, Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC AEROSPACE
CORP] <michael.d.cuy@nasa.gov> wrote:
> Don=92t you worry Billy=85=85a hangar CAN be cheaper than therapy, counse
ling, or
> divorce so keep the dream alive
>
> and once you DO get your plane built you can deck out your hangar to make
> it comfy and fun for yourself.
>
>
> Some guys go to the boat dock, some to the ball game, some play darts, so
me
> go hunting, some go fishing but when
>
> I want to hear the birds chirping and decompress I just go the hangar and
> change the oil, listen to the radio, put on some
>
> old time CD music, cook out on the grill, or just sit there in the shade
> watching people do takeoff and landings=85some
>
> of them downwind and just wait to hear the squeal of the brakes, the rubb
er
> being worn off in nice flat spots for the next
>
> renter pilot to feel the rhythmic thump, thump, thump of the wheels.
>
>
> Ah yes, hangar life is wonderful ! (until some butt head comes over a
nd
> starts expounding about the good old days when
>
> avgas as 5 cents a gallon or asks you how many horse power your Volkswago
n
> engine puts out in your =91ultralight=92=85.and how
>
> they had Pietenpol plans in their attic somewhere and always did want to
> build an airplane=85.and then they=92ll tell you what you did
>
> wrong and question your ability to do your own sign-offs on the yearly
> inspections and maintenance. Other than that, it=92s GREAT !
>
>
> Mike C.
>
>
> do not archive
>
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Subject: | Re: leading edge plywood |
Just use a nailing strip as Tony Bingelis details, and there are no nails or
staples left in place..
Jack Phillips
NX899JP "Icarus Plummet"
Raleigh, NC
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of GliderMike
Sent: Friday, February 11, 2011 9:56 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: leading edge plywood
A lot of areas in the country are using screws instead of nails when hanging
sheetrock in houses, buildings, etc, because the nails work themselves out
eventually. I suspect humidity changes, could cause the wood or whatever,
to expand and shrink, which could cause the nails to work themselves out.
The epoxy coated and the cement coated nails would be less likely to work
themselves out, but they can still work their way out. Best plan would be
to plan ahead, and plan to pull the nails or staples. If you are past that,
keep an eye on everything, and deal with it if it becomes a problem. There
have been a lot of stick and rag airplanes put together with glue and nails,
over the years. some of them have required rework to fix problems. I plan
to use staples to hold things together, until the glue is cured, then remove
the staples. We'll see if I stick to my plans!
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--------
HOMEBUILDER
Will WORK for Spruce
Long flights, smooth air, and soft landings,
GliderMike, aka Mike Glasgow
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Subject: | Re: Pilot Height |
Just build it, Mark. You'll be fine.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP "Icarus Plummet"
Raleigh, NC
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of K5YAC
Sent: Friday, February 11, 2011 2:55 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Pilot Height
Well... the fuse is built as per the plans. I was advised NOT to go
changing the dimensions as it would just cause issues elsewhere. I can see
how bending a slightly deeper curve in the lower longerons at the rear seat
might have helped, and probably wouldn't have caused much of an issue, but
it is what it is... and I'm going to fly it. I just hope she is the gentle
flier that everyone describes.
Surely I'm not the first tall guy to try this... still waiting to hear from
others. I know that I asked a similar question back when I first started
building and nothing scared me off... I'm going to go look for that thread.
--------
Mark Chouinard
Wings, Center Section and Empannage framed up - Working on Fuselage
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Subject: | Re: Pilot Height |
How many Piets have you tried on at Brodhead Mark ?
I'd side with Jack-- but build the long fuselage for your longer legs like you
and Jack have
plus the instrument panel won't be smack-dab in front of you like the short fuselage
feels at first...but
I got used to that in a hurry.
I'm fine in the short fuselage version at 5' 9 1/2" tall.
Mike C.
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Subject: | hangar life isn't so bad....... |
So, with all this talk of Hanger Houses, at lunch, I just had to ask my wife
of 20+ years, "How would you feel about living in a hanger with living
quarters?" .."Fine with me - as long as I have room for a computer and a
sewing machine." I have no idea where one finds such airports, though!
Certainly not here in California!
Gary Boothe
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ryan Mueller
Sent: Friday, February 11, 2011 1:56 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: hangar life isn't so bad.......
Much cheaper, and will probably hold the value better than a house :P
Ryan
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On Fri, Feb 11, 2011 at 3:08 PM, Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC AEROSPACE
CORP] <michael.d.cuy@nasa.gov> wrote:
Don't you worry Billy..a hangar CAN be cheaper than therapy, counseling, or
divorce so keep the dream alive
and once you DO get your plane built you can deck out your hangar to make it
comfy and fun for yourself.
Some guys go to the boat dock, some to the ball game, some play darts, some
go hunting, some go fishing but when
I want to hear the birds chirping and decompress I just go the hangar and
change the oil, listen to the radio, put on some
old time CD music, cook out on the grill, or just sit there in the shade
watching people do takeoff and landings.some
of them downwind and just wait to hear the squeal of the brakes, the rubber
being worn off in nice flat spots for the next
renter pilot to feel the rhythmic thump, thump, thump of the wheels.
Ah yes, hangar life is wonderful ! (until some butt head comes over and
starts expounding about the good old days when
avgas as 5 cents a gallon or asks you how many horse power your Volkswagon
engine puts out in your 'ultralight'..and how
they had Pietenpol plans in their attic somewhere and always did want to
build an airplane..and then they'll tell you what you did
wrong and question your ability to do your own sign-offs on the yearly
inspections and maintenance. Other than that, it's GREAT !
Mike C.
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Subject: | man cave hangar decorating |
Thank you Ryan and the cool part is that the radio cost me $15 at a local F
lea Market....doesn't work but all the guts
are there.
I simply removed the speaker and put a CD player on a shelf behind the radi
o and play 1920's and 30's music or Big Band
music and it sounds like the real deal when folks visit the hangar.
The desk was the original airport desk from the airport office (and chair)
that was covered on top with 1960's linoleum and
heavy black glue. I stripped the top, put a new plywood top on the desk
with Liquid Nails, stained the whole shebang, drawers
and chair and there it sits. I use it too ! A lot !
The new owner of the airport (7 years ago when I moved my plane there) was
going to PITCH the desk since it was really used
as a workbench and was beat up but I saved it and now it serves well.
There is accent lighting running along that horizontal 2x4 doubler and a wo
rking green antique porcelain desk lamp for evening
time and the hangar has dropped lights from the rafters (new reproductions
of the old style) that light the place up pretty good
using only 6 100 watt light bulbs.
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Where did you acquire the hot chicks? ;)
Ryan
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On Fri, Feb 11, 2011 at 4:54 PM, Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC AEROSPACE
CORP] <michael.d.cuy@nasa.gov> wrote:
> Thank you Ryan and the cool part is that the radio cost me $15 at a loca
l
> Flea Market=85.doesn=92t work but all the guts
> are there.
>
> I simply removed the speaker and put a CD player on a shelf behind the
> radio and play 1920=92s and 30=92s music or Big Band
> music and it sounds like the real deal when folks visit the hangar.
>
> The desk was the original airport desk from the airport office (and chair
)
> that was covered on top with 1960=92s linoleum and
> heavy black glue. I stripped the top, put a new plywood top on the des
k
> with Liquid Nails, stained the whole shebang, drawers
> and chair and there it sits. I use it too ! A lot !
>
> The new owner of the airport (7 years ago when I moved my plane there) wa
s
> going to PITCH the desk since it was really used
> as a workbench and was beat up but I saved it and now it serves well.
>
> There is accent lighting running along that horizontal 2x4 doubler and a
> working green antique porcelain desk lamp for evening
> time and the hangar has dropped lights from the rafters (new reproduction
s
> of the old style) that light the place up pretty good
> using only 6 100 watt light bulbs.
>
>
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Subject: | Re: Pilot Height |
I met Pat Green once, and he told me the story of how he came to make
his rudder larger. He had been flying his Piet for a while (with a
crank snapping Corvair, Bernard Pietenpol conversion complete with the
cooling fan). He had a friend offer to try to spin it. Pat isn't very
tall at all, but his friend was 6'2" or so. The friend wore a parachute
and took the Piet up to blistering heights and started his spin.
Evidently Pat was yelling for him to jump out, because it spun a lot
more turns than expected, but eventually did recover. Later on in an
unrelated incident, Pat put the Piet over on its back ruining the
rudder. When he rebuilt it, he made it a few inches taller (not 10
inches though). He told me that it made the airplane easier to control
in the flare. I hadn't built my rudder yet when I heard this story, but
I built my rudder a little taller (I can't remember now how much, but I
think it was only 2 or 3 inches). I have never noticed any lack of
rudder authority, but I'm only 5'8".
Now.. who knows how much the tall spinning friend weigh with his
parachute, and where the CG was on that nearly fateful day? My rudder
is a little taller, but Jack Phillips is pretty tall and has never
mentioned any problems. 2 inches doesn't change the look of the
airplane, and If I didn't tell you it was there you'd never notice.
You've probably seen this statement before:
Build it to the plans....and you will have a great airplane.
Ben Charvet
Titusville, Florida
On 2/11/2011 12:10 PM, K5YAC wrote:
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "K5YAC"<hangar10@cox.net>
>
> I'm a little concerned about some of the comments I've heard recently about pilot
height, for example, in the Workbench thread...
>
>
> airlion(at)bellsouth.net wrote:
>> Mark, you might consider adding 10 inches to the verticle stab as Pat Green
did in florida after getting into a spin and finally recovering at 500 ft. I understand
that the pilot was real tall and blocked out the flow to the tail.
>> Good luck, Gardiner Mason
>
> I have been doing my best at keeping with the plans so far. I did raise the
height of my turtle deck a bit, but just barely more than my shoulders would normally
block, and this was only done for proper seatbelt placement. Are any
of you taller pilots experiencing ill effects? Given that I am 6'4" tall, are
there things I should consider in making my airplane more safe or stable? Basically,
do I need more rudder?
>
> Jack P., I know that you are pretty tall... care to comment in the rudder effectiveness
and what might (or should) be done to improve it?
>
> --------
> Mark Chouinard
> Wings, Center Section and Empannage framed up - Working on Fuselage
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=330603#330603
>
>
--
Ben Charvet, PharmD
Staff Pharmacist
Parrish Medical center
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Subject: | Re: Pilot Height |
I would actually remove a bit of leg and torso. Maybe a bit between the
shin and knee and about half of the thigh bones. Then remove a few
inches of torso, being careful to leave the major organs. Then, you will
be close to being "properly sized." Dan Helsper and I can give you
lessons on that aspect. No real pilot should be over 5'6". That is a
waste of height plus the lack of oxygen at those altitudes leads to nose
bleeds.
-doc dillhoeffer-
do not archive
John Hofmann
Vice-President, Information Technology
The Rees Group, Inc.
2424 American Lane
Madison, WI 53704
Phone: 608.443.2468 ext 150
Fax: 608.443.2474
Email: jhofmann@reesgroupinc.com
On Feb 11, 2011, at 4:39 PM, Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC AEROSPACE
CORP] wrote:
AEROSPACE CORP]" <michael.d.cuy@nasa.gov>
>
> How many Piets have you tried on at Brodhead Mark ?
>
> I'd side with Jack-- but build the long fuselage for your longer legs
like you and Jack have
> plus the instrument panel won't be smack-dab in front of you like the
short fuselage feels at first...but
> I got used to that in a hurry.
>
> I'm fine in the short fuselage version at 5' 9 1/2" tall.
>
> Mike C.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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2 to go! Dares I say I'll finish this weekend?
Gary Boothe
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Subject: | man cave hangar decorating |
I think you rent them. Strike that..
Gary
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ryan Mueller
Sent: Friday, February 11, 2011 3:29 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: man cave hangar decorating
Where did you acquire the hot chicks? ;)
Ryan
do not archive
On Fri, Feb 11, 2011 at 4:54 PM, Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC AEROSPACE
CORP] <michael.d.cuy@nasa.gov> wrote:
Thank you Ryan and the cool part is that the radio cost me $15 at a local
Flea Market..doesn't work but all the guts
are there.
I simply removed the speaker and put a CD player on a shelf behind the radio
and play 1920's and 30's music or Big Band
music and it sounds like the real deal when folks visit the hangar.
The desk was the original airport desk from the airport office (and chair)
that was covered on top with 1960's linoleum and
heavy black glue. I stripped the top, put a new plywood top on the desk
with Liquid Nails, stained the whole shebang, drawers
and chair and there it sits. I use it too ! A lot !
The new owner of the airport (7 years ago when I moved my plane there) was
going to PITCH the desk since it was really used
as a workbench and was beat up but I saved it and now it serves well.
There is accent lighting running along that horizontal 2x4 doubler and a
working green antique porcelain desk lamp for evening
time and the hangar has dropped lights from the rafters (new reproductions
of the old style) that light the place up pretty good
using only 6 100 watt light bulbs.
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Subject: | Re: Pilot Height |
Well, and a torso any longer just delays the post-mastication wurst parade
in your gut. And really, who wants that?
Ryan
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On Fri, Feb 11, 2011 at 5:35 PM, John Hofmann <jhofmann@reesgroupinc.com>wrote:
> I would actually remove a bit of leg and torso. Maybe a bit between the
> shin and knee and about half of the thigh bones. Then remove a few inches of
> torso, being careful to leave the major organs. Then, you will be close to
> being "properly sized." Dan Helsper and I can give you lessons on that
> aspect. No real pilot should be over 5'6". That is a waste of height plus
> the lack of oxygen at those altitudes leads to nose bleeds.
>
> -doc dillhoeffer-
>
> do not archive
>
> John Hofmann
> Vice-President, Information Technology
> The Rees Group, Inc.
> 2424 American Lane
> Madison, WI 53704
> Phone: 608.443.2468 ext 150
> Fax: 608.443.2474
> Email: jhofmann@reesgroupinc.com
>
> On Feb 11, 2011, at 4:39 PM, Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC AEROSPACE
> CORP] wrote:
>
> AEROSPACE CORP]" <michael.d.cuy@nasa.gov>
>
> How many Piets have you tried on at Brodhead Mark ?
>
> I'd side with Jack-- but build the long fuselage for your longer legs like
> you and Jack have
> plus the instrument panel won't be smack-dab in front of you like the short
> fuselage feels at first...but
> I got used to that in a hurry.
>
> I'm fine in the short fuselage version at 5' 9 1/2" tall.
>
> Mike - The --> http://www.matr &n -
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Hi Gary,
I knew it; get immobilized for a while and you discovered how to make ribs again!
Only two to go; thats really good; have you got your spars done now ready for
the ribs?
Jim B.
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Gboothe5" <gboothe5@comcast.net>
Sent: Friday, February 11, 2011 4:38:09 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Ribs
2 to go! Dares I say I'll finish this weekend?
Gary Boothe
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Axel threatened to come up and beat the crap out of me if I didn't get on the stick...well,
that's how it sounded!
How's the Bionic Man doing? Hope that knee's ready for work...
Gary
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-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim Boyer
Sent: Friday, February 11, 2011 4:55 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Ribs
Hi Gary,
I knew it; get immobilized for a while and you discovered how to make ribs again!
Only two to go; thats really good; have you got your spars done now ready for
the ribs?
Jim B.
Do not archive
----- Original Message -----
From: "Gboothe5" <gboothe5@comcast.net>
Sent: Friday, February 11, 2011 4:38:09 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Ribs
2 to go! Dares I say I'll finish this weekend?
Gary Boothe
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Subject: | hangar life isn't so bad....... |
Gary, Check out Barnstormers, West Virginia. My auto pilot Ed has a lot for sale
just across the runway from our place, the big red roof on the left side of
the near end of the runway. It needs some dirt work and the oil tank removed,
but the neighbors are great. ;<)
Skip
PS. Lots of sewing machines on the field.
----- Original Message -----
So, with all this talk of Hanger Houses, at lunch, I just had to ask my wife of
20+ years, How would you feel about living in a hanger with living quarters?
.Fine with me as long as I have room for a computer and a sewing machine. I have
no idea where one finds such airports, though! Certainly not here in California!
Gary Boothe
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Subject: | Re: Plans for a good fuse workbench |
Good job on the models guys. In the process of trying to teach myself how to use
sketch-up (I have zero CAD experience), I tried to draw just a single rib.
Two hours later, I gave up with little more than the airfoil profile to show
for it.
I wish that you could buy a sketch-up model of the plane with the plans. it would
be nice to be able to spin a model around in 3 dimensions to figure out how
some things go together. Maybe one of you that are more talented than I should
offer to sell the rights to one of your models. :)
--------
Gary Wilson
Greenville Wisconsin
gtche98 (at) gmail ((dot)) com
Planning Phase
Read this topic online here:
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Subject: | hangar life isn't so bad....... |
Looks like beautiful country! We have great weather, here, but those kinds
of places just don't exist.
Gary
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Skip Gadd
Sent: Friday, February 11, 2011 5:21 PM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: hangar life isn't so bad.......
Gary, Check out Barnstormers, West Virginia. My auto pilot Ed has a lot for
sale just across the runway from our place, the big red roof on the left
side of the near end of the runway. It needs some dirt work and the oil tank
removed, but the neighbors are great. ;<)
Skip
PS. Lots of sewing machines on the field.
----- Original Message -----
So, with all this talk of Hanger Houses, at lunch, I just had to ask my wife
of 20+ years, "How would you feel about living in a hanger with living
quarters?" .."Fine with me - as long as I have room for a computer and a
sewing machine." I have no idea where one finds such airports, though!
Certainly not here in California!
Gary Boothe
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Subject: | man cave hangar decorating |
And then there is my hangar at Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia, where we we
will eventually build our Bed & Breakfast . Karen and I live in a 25'
travel trailer inside the hangar when we go up there, at least until the B&B
is completed (I might still be living in the hangar even then).
Jack Phillips
NX899JP "Icarus Plummet"
Raleigh, NC / Smith Mountain Lake, VA
_____
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Cuy, Michael
D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC AEROSPACE CORP]
Sent: Friday, February 11, 2011 5:55 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: man cave hangar decorating
Thank you Ryan and the cool part is that the radio cost me $15 at a local
Flea Market..doesn't work but all the guts
are there.
I simply removed the speaker and put a CD player on a shelf behind the radio
and play 1920's and 30's music or Big Band
music and it sounds like the real deal when folks visit the hangar.
The desk was the original airport desk from the airport office (and chair)
that was covered on top with 1960's linoleum and
heavy black glue. I stripped the top, put a new plywood top on the desk
with Liquid Nails, stained the whole shebang, drawers
and chair and there it sits. I use it too ! A lot !
The new owner of the airport (7 years ago when I moved my plane there) was
going to PITCH the desk since it was really used
as a workbench and was beat up but I saved it and now it serves well.
There is accent lighting running along that horizontal 2x4 doubler and a
working green antique porcelain desk lamp for evening
time and the hangar has dropped lights from the rafters (new reproductions
of the old style) that light the place up pretty good
using only 6 100 watt light bulbs.
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Subject: | Re: Plans for a good fuse workbench |
Where do you guys find this scatsup, or sketchup or whatever you call it?
Seems that you are spending an inordinate amount of time on it that could be
spent making sawdust. Of course, it may be critical to determining your
paint scheme.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP "Icarus Plummet"
Raleigh, NC
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of gtche98
Sent: Friday, February 11, 2011 8:43 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Plans for a good fuse workbench
Good job on the models guys. In the process of trying to teach myself how
to use sketch-up (I have zero CAD experience), I tried to draw just a single
rib. Two hours later, I gave up with little more than the airfoil profile
to show for it.
I wish that you could buy a sketch-up model of the plane with the plans. it
would be nice to be able to spin a model around in 3 dimensions to figure
out how some things go together. Maybe one of you that are more talented
than I should offer to sell the rights to one of your models. :)
--------
Gary Wilson
Greenville Wisconsin
gtche98 (at) gmail ((dot)) com
Planning Phase
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=330684#330684
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Subject: | Re: Pilot Height |
Oh how stories go. When I flew in to see Pat Green about 5 years ago at
Hilliard field Florida just when I was building my Piet he told me that a friend
wanted to try spinning. As I recall, his friend entered the spin at 4500ft and
finally got out at about 500 ft.. I don't remember him saying anything about
flipping over while he was flying. He did tell me that he added 10 inches to the
rudder because of the added height of the pilot flying the spin. Also, he added
a couple of feet to his wingspan to get over the pine trees at his field. Pat is
a very nice person and a delight to talk to. I hope he is still flying his Piet.
I believe it is about 35 years old'. Cheers, Gardiner
----- Original Message ----
From: Ben Charvet <bencharvet@gmail.com>
Sent: Fri, February 11, 2011 7:00:14 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Pilot Height
I met Pat Green once, and he told me the story of how he came to make
his rudder larger. He had been flying his Piet for a while (with a
crank snapping Corvair, Bernard Pietenpol conversion complete with the
cooling fan). He had a friend offer to try to spin it. Pat isn't very
tall at all, but his friend was 6'2" or so. The friend wore a parachute
and took the Piet up to blistering heights and started his spin.
Evidently Pat was yelling for him to jump out, because it spun a lot
more turns than expected, but eventually did recover. Later on in an
unrelated incident, Pat put the Piet over on its back ruining the
rudder. When he rebuilt it, he made it a few inches taller (not 10
inches though). He told me that it made the airplane easier to control
in the flare. I hadn't built my rudder yet when I heard this story, but
I built my rudder a little taller (I can't remember now how much, but I
think it was only 2 or 3 inches). I have never noticed any lack of
rudder authority, but I'm only 5'8".
Now.. who knows how much the tall spinning friend weigh with his
parachute, and where the CG was on that nearly fateful day? My rudder
is a little taller, but Jack Phillips is pretty tall and has never
mentioned any problems. 2 inches doesn't change the look of the
airplane, and If I didn't tell you it was there you'd never notice.
You've probably seen this statement before:
Build it to the plans....and you will have a great airplane.
Ben Charvet
Titusville, Florida
On 2/11/2011 12:10 PM, K5YAC wrote:
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "K5YAC"<hangar10@cox.net>
>
> I'm a little concerned about some of the comments I've heard recently about
>pilot height, for example, in the Workbench thread...
>
>
> airlion(at)bellsouth.net wrote:
>> Mark, you might consider adding 10 inches to the verticle stab as Pat Green
did
>>in florida after getting into a spin and finally recovering at 500 ft. I
>>understand that the pilot was real tall and blocked out the flow to the tail.
>> Good luck, Gardiner Mason
>
> I have been doing my best at keeping with the plans so far. I did raise the
>height of my turtle deck a bit, but just barely more than my shoulders would
>normally block, and this was only done for proper seatbelt placement. Are any
>of you taller pilots experiencing ill effects? Given that I am 6'4" tall, are
>there things I should consider in making my airplane more safe or stable?
>Basically, do I need more rudder?
>
> Jack P., I know that you are pretty tall... care to comment in the rudder
>effectiveness and what might (or should) be done to improve it?
>
> --------
> Mark Chouinard
> Wings, Center Section and Empannage framed up - Working on Fuselage
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=330603#330603
>
>
--
Ben Charvet, PharmD
Staff Pharmacist
Parrish Medical center
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Subject: | Need some tunes in the garage. |
You know what's boring? Ironing down the edges of tapes is boring.
--
Andrew Eldredge
Sahuarita, AZ
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Subject: | Re: Need some tunes in the garage. |
I recommend the Andrew's sisters, benny goodman, and Billie holiday!
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rote:
> You know what's boring? Ironing down the edges of tapes is boring.
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> Andrew Eldredge
> Sahuarita, AZ
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Subject: | Re: Need some tunes in the garage. |
But it also means you are in the home stretch...having your Pietenpol
finished, but the weather not allowing you to fly it..Thats boring!
Ben Charvet
On 2/11/2011 10:01 PM, Andrew M Eldredge wrote:
> You know what's boring? Ironing down the edges of tapes is boring.
>
> --
> Andrew Eldredge
> Sahuarita, AZ
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Staff Pharmacist
Parrish Medical center
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Subject: | Re: Plans for a good fuse workbench |
yep....
Chuck
On Fri, Feb 11, 2011 at 4:35 PM, Mark Roberts <mark.rbrts1@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Nicely Done! Did you do that in Sketch Up?
>
> Mark
>
> On Fri, Feb 11, 2011 at 11:51 AM, Charles Waldo <cwaldo.jr@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > Mark
> >
> > Sorry to put your life on the line like this Mike, but I wanted to see
> > how you did your drawings. I have also put my flame proof long johns on
> as I
> > have done the same thing! I thought it would be nice to "build" the plane
> > first in a computer and see how everything fits together. I'm not a cad
> guy,
> > but I did stay at a Holiday Inn once :) I've been at it for a couple of
> > months in my spare time. Everything but the rib is "stock" to the
> plans(went
> > with the 612). I was amazed how many times I had made mistakes and had to
> > move, cut or remake a part in the model (Just like the real builders do).
> > I'm glad I did it. It will save me a lot of time, frustration and money
> in
> > the building process (I hope). It will also be a great reference as I can
> > zoom and rotate it to see the part I'm working on and how it fits in with
> > other parts. The model is almost done and the shop is almost ready to go.
> > Wood will be here next month. Attached is a picture of my drawing (I
> > hope).....
> >
> > Chuck
> >
> > On Fri, Feb 11, 2011 at 2:10 PM, Mark Roberts <mark.rbrts1@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >>
> >> Well, Chuck, you are really trying to get me Flamed, banned and thrown
> >> off this list! :o)
> >>
> >> Glad to share what I have done so far. I know many that would say what
> >> I am doing is perverting a great design, and thus far I have kept my
> >> design elements quiet so as not to disrupt the flow of ideas here, but
> >> perhaps there are other 'larger than should be' folks like me out
> >> there, and so I will share, for better or for worse, my intended
> >> design modifications.
> >>
> >> I am not an aeronautical engineer (neither was our beloved designer of
> >> the original), but a long time modeler and designer and I am making
> >> the wing mod's based on structural info I have found that seem to
> >> verify that the wing spars are of more than sufficient strength at 1"
> >> thick, and an additional 1" taller than originally called out --5.75"
> >> in the fore spar, 5 5/8" in the rear--(Bernie's later designs were
> >> using 3/4" thick spars, not the 1" thick he originally drew in the
> >> plans). The wing bays are an added 2' on each side, requiring the
> >> modifications of the tail surfaces to meet the design requirements of
> >> stability with the extra wing. I might add a bit more to the
> >> fin/rudder area to insure the stability and avoid a potential spin
> >> problem mentioned earlier in this posting series. To accommodate the
> >> added wing bays, I moved the spar attachments out one bay, lengthening
> >> the wing struts a bit. I will be putting Jury struts on the struts as
> >> recommended, and required by this additional length.
> >>
> >> These mods are not all completed in my sketch up drawing, but some can
> >> be seen in the design attached. I played around with a concept you'll
> >> see on these drawings that I found in a build of another plans built
> >> LSA design: the AMF 14H Miranda. The designed used fiber reinforced
> >> strapping material for the drag/anti-drag wires verses cable and
> >> turnbuckles. He saved a TON of weight, and an equal amount of money as
> >> those turnbuckles cost more than the birth of my children... You can
> >> see this on the website www.mywoodenairplane.com which is an online
> >> build log. The guy has a bunch left over and would most likely sell a
> >> bunch of it cheap. He's a nice guy too... This tape/ribbon is the
> >> stuff you see and get wrapped around any large box that's been
> >> shipped. It's the stuff that has a heat sealed connection with the
> >> other end of the tape where they meet. (It's not the stuff on a roll
> >> that is sticky and you buy it at Office Max... this is the stuff you
> >> can't break for your life.). Many of us have opened this stuff by
> >> turning it over at the joint where the 2 ends meet and peeling one end
> >> away from the other end and it releases the bond... Great stuff for
> >> the drag/anti-drag system, and just as strong as the steel and
> >> turnbuckles they replace. Anyway, that's what you see below drawn
> >> into the wing. It is just one side of it. I need to draw in the other
> >> side of the system, but now I can actually start building, so I will
> >> most likely wait till I get closer to that assembly.
> >>
> >> Anyway, this is why it is called 'experimental' right ;o) I won't be
> >> the first guy to try something, but if it looks to be done somewhere
> >> else, I will consider it if it seemed to work out ok for the other guy
> >> :o)
> >>
> >> Here's the pics of the drawing so far.
> >>
> >> Mark
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On Fri, Feb 11, 2011 at 6:50 AM, Charles Waldo <cwaldo.jr@gmail.com>
> >> wrote:
> >> > Mark
> >> >
> >> > Could you post a Jpg of your piet model in sketchup? Just wanted to
> >> > see
> >> > what your model looks like and how far along you are on it.....
> >> >
> >> > Chuck
> >> >
> >> > On Thu, Feb 10, 2011 at 10:47 PM, Mark Roberts <mark.rbrts1@gmail.com
> >
> >> > wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> <mark.rbrts1@gmail.com>
> >> >>
> >> >> Well, at the risk of getting flamed, or worse yet, branded as a Piet
> >> >> Heretic, I am building my virtual Piet in Google Sketch Up because of
> >> >> some of the design elements I am changing to meet my particular
> needs.
> >> >>
> >> >> At 6'4" and almost as big around, I am needing the extra width to the
> >> >> fuse (28" wide at the back seat) and I am lengthening the nose a bit
> >> >> (Per Bernard's suggestion due to a lighter motor), AND I am using the
> >> >> GA-30-613.5 airfoil. One last thing is the extra bay's I am adding
> to
> >> >> the wing tips and deepening the spars (keeping them at 1" thick,
> >> >> carefully routed for lightness) and moving the strut connection
> points
> >> >> out one bay to support the extra bays, and I felt I needed to insure
> >> >> the changes all fit when I hit the shop.
> >> >>
> >> >> I know that sounds like lots of changes, but the design elements all
> >> >> take the same Piet form, and I am building an airplane that will be
> >> >> mine until I decide I don't want it anymore, or can't fly, so I felt
> >> >> I'd build it to fit ME, not Bernard :o)
> >> >>
> >> >> I drew the metal parts (not fully completed) to fit the changes, and
> >> >> that included adding the 1/2" to the strut attachments all around to
> >> >> make the connections easier. I had read comments here about that
> >> >> already.
> >> >>
> >> >> Again, heresy I know, but it's gonna be mine when I'm done :o)
> >> >>
> >> >> Sketchup allowed me to measure the proper distances, and to correct
> >> >> the tail sections to be the proper area to match the wing changes,
> >> >> etc. I know, one change creates a hundred others, but it's kept my
> >> >> head into the dream for a year and a half when I couldn't buy spit.
> >> >> So, it was accomplishing something for me and now I can begin the
> >> >> build proper...
> >> >>
> >> >> Thanks for all the feedback on the table. My first thing I'll be
> doing
> >> >> (after taking a trip to the Groah's with my camera) is to build the
> >> >> table. Once that is over I will feel as though I am really gonna
> build
> >> >> me a plane!
> >> >>
> >> >> Mark
> >> >>
> >> >> On Thu, Feb 10, 2011 at 11:46 AM, V Groah <vgroah@hotmail.com>
> wrote:
> >> >> > Correct good idea. Vic
> >> >> >
> >> >> >> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Plans for a good fuse workbench
> >> >> >> From: hangar10@cox.net
> >> >> >> Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2011 09:25:18 -0800
> >> >> >> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> mark.rbrts1(at)gmail.com wrote:
> >> >> >> > Oh, one other really cool thing: I am drawing the metal parts up
> >> >> >> > in
> >> >> >> > Sketch Up and cleaning them in my CAD program so I can deliver
> >> >> >> > them
> >> >> >> > to an
> >> >> >> > old acquaintance I have recently renewed a relationship with. He
> >> >> >> > owns
> >> >> >> > a
> >> >> >> > steel fabrication company, and has a laser cutting machine for
> his
> >> >> >> > fabrication plant. He said "How thick are the parts? NO problem!
> >> >> >> > Bring me the pans and I'll cut all those parts for you to
> >> >> >> > perfection!"
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> One word of advice, be sure to make the lift strut attach
> fittings,
> >> >> >> cabane
> >> >> >> strut fittings and anything else that might be a clearance issue
> >> >> >> about
> >> >> >> 1/2"
> >> >> >> longer (perhaps others can chime in). I know that some fittings
> made
> >> >> >> to
> >> >> >> the
> >> >> >> plans can create minor clearance issues.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> mark.rbrts1(at)gmail.com wrote:
> >> >> >> > Any suggestions on programs to use for the build log online?
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> www.mykitlog.com is powered by the same fella that provide this
> >> >> >> forum
> >> >> >> for
> >> >> >> us. I think the program is $50, but it allows you to track build
> >> >> >> time,
> >> >> >> photos and details, expense items, vendors, etc. You can post an
> >> >> >> online
> >> >> >> version to the web and the print version is formatted very nicely
> >> >> >> and
> >> >> >> will
> >> >> >> make a nice hardcopy of the log book. Pretty slick tool. If you
> want
> >> >> >> to
> >> >> >> see
> >> >> >> an example, check out my kitlog link in my signature below.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> --------
> >> >> >> Mark Chouinard
> >> >> >> Wings, Center Section and Empannage framed up - Working on
> Fuselage
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> Read this topic online here:
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=330465#330465
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>
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Subject: | Re: Plans for a good fuse workbench |
Jack
I'm hoping that the little time I have spent on this converts to lots of
GOOD saw dust and very little BAD saw dust...lol
Sketchup is a free 3D cad program from Google......
Chuck
On Fri, Feb 11, 2011 at 9:21 PM, Jack Phillips <pietflyr@bellsouth.net>wrote:
> pietflyr@bellsouth.net>
>
> Where do you guys find this scatsup, or sketchup or whatever you call it?
> Seems that you are spending an inordinate amount of time on it that could
> be
> spent making sawdust. Of course, it may be critical to determining your
> paint scheme.
>
> Jack Phillips
> NX899JP "Icarus Plummet"
> Raleigh, NC
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of gtche98
> Sent: Friday, February 11, 2011 8:43 PM
> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Plans for a good fuse workbench
>
>
> Good job on the models guys. In the process of trying to teach myself how
> to use sketch-up (I have zero CAD experience), I tried to draw just a
> single
> rib. Two hours later, I gave up with little more than the airfoil profile
> to show for it.
>
> I wish that you could buy a sketch-up model of the plane with the plans.
> it
> would be nice to be able to spin a model around in 3 dimensions to figure
> out how some things go together. Maybe one of you that are more talented
> than I should offer to sell the rights to one of your models. :)
>
> --------
> Gary Wilson
> Greenville Wisconsin
> gtche98 (at) gmail ((dot)) com
> Planning Phase
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=330684#330684
>
>
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Subject: | Re: Pilot Height |
I have built the long fuse and angled the seat back 3" at the top. I plan to have
the seat as low as possible without interfering with the control assemblies.
I'll just press on... not much choice in the matter at this point... she's
all framed up.
Mike... I've only sat in a Grega one time, here at my local field. It was tight
(mostly in the leg department) but I had my big ol work boots on. I think (hope)
the long Piet can be made a bit more roomy as I build it for myself. Dom
Emch offered to let me sit in his at Brodhead 09, and I started to climb in,
but just didn't feel comfortable doing it. I was afraid I would damage something
and then I would have to walk the field in shame. I mean, each of those
airplanes looks like fine furniture to me... I'd hate to leave as much as a scratch.
If I remember correctly, Don told me that he built his to plans and he
fits just fine. He is a bit slimmer than I am, but still pretty tall. I believe
I could have got in ok, I was just concerned that my big foot would go right
through the floor or something... I know now that probably wasn't very likely.
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Mark Chouinard
Wings, Center Section and Empannage framed up - Working on Fuselage
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Subject: | Re: hangar life isn't so bad....... |
Mike, my wife never said that I couldn't have a hangar, she just said that she
would not live in one. I'll have one someday. Right now our big focus is on
getting both our Louisiana and our Illinois houses sold so that we can move into
a larger house in a better neighborhood in Louisiana. The hangar is still
quite a ways in the future at this point. All the Piet parts I have made still
fit quite comfortably hanging on the wall in the garage in the Illinois house.
Your hangar is the standard by which others should be judged, though. Very
nice!
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Billy McCaskill
Urbana, IL
tail section almost done, starting on ribs soon
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All major components together at the same time for the first time.
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=330714#330714
Attachments:
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Must be a great feeling. Looks neat!
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Mark Chouinard
Wings, Center Section and Empannage framed up - Working on Fuselage
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It's a shame you have to cover it! Looks great, and at this rate you could make
Brodhead with it this year!
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Billy McCaskill
Urbana, IL
tail section almost done, starting on ribs soon
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Subject: | Re: hangar life isn't so bad....... |
For Skip - Give Ed a big hug for me! I know he misses me.
Kevin
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Kevin "Axel" Purtee
NX899KP
Austin/Georgetown, TX
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Subject: | Help please: MA-3SPA Carb |
Hi all....I have also posted this on a Corvair forum. Thought someone here may
know something too.
I have had the offer of a MA-3SPA Carb. Part No. 10-4115 Serial No. AV21410 FAA
PA for my Corvair. This Carb has just been removed from a Cessna 150 with an
O-200. The owner has fitted a ROTEC throttle body carb to it.
I know WW says to use the MA-3SPA 10-4894. I believe the 10-4894 is off the O-200?
Does this mean this carb I have been offered will work the same? Can anyone
educate me as to what the difference is?
Maybe this one could be rebuilt as a 10-4894?
Thank you one and all for any help as it is a good price and comes with the airbox/filter
and cables I believe.
Scotty
Australia
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Scotty
Tamworth, Australia
Building a Corvair Powered Pietenpol Air Camper
www.scottyspietenpol.com
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Subject: | Re: man cave hangar decorating |
During my transition between spouses and jobs I lived for 2 years in a 28' travel
trailer on the grass strip where I was finishing Fat Girl. It was spectacular
- 300 steps from my front door to the hangar.
Now I live 35 miles from the hangar:(.
I'll fix that when I retire.
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Kevin "Axel" Purtee
NX899KP
Austin/Georgetown, TX
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Now Gary, I think I asked (implored) you to finish the ribs in a positive, supportive
manner. I'm a sweet, thoughtful, nurturing, considerate, loving and kind
building friend.
Now finish the ribs this weekend or else!
:)
Jim Boyer - are you guys coming to Copper State?
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Kevin "Axel" Purtee
NX899KP
Austin/Georgetown, TX
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