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1. 03:15 AM - Re: Need some tunes in the garage. (Dangerous Dave)
2. 04:12 AM - man-cave hangar decorating (helspersew@aol.com)
3. 04:22 AM - Re: Re: hangar life isn't so bad....... (Dortch, Steven D MAJ NG NG FORSCOM)
4. 04:26 AM - Tail Wheel Spring Question (Jack)
5. 04:27 AM - Re: Need some tunes in the garage. (Jack Phillips)
6. 04:32 AM - Man-cave hangar decorating (helspersew@aol.com)
7. 04:57 AM - Re: Tail Wheel Spring Question (Jack)
8. 05:34 AM - Re: Re: Plans for a good fuse workbench (Gboothe5)
9. 06:12 AM - Re: Finally (Jack Phillips)
10. 07:11 AM - Re:finally (Lawrence Williams)
11. 07:11 AM - Re: Re: Plans for a good fuse workbench (Gene Rambo)
12. 07:23 AM - Re: man cave hangar decorating (K5YAC)
13. 08:13 AM - Re: Re:finally (Jack Phillips)
14. 09:27 AM - Re: man-cave hangar decorating (Dortch, Steven D MAJ NG NG FORSCOM)
15. 09:29 AM - Re: Finally (kevinpurtee)
16. 09:36 AM - Re: Plans for a good fuse workbench (kevinpurtee)
17. 09:40 AM - Re: Re: Tail Wheel Spring Question (Jack)
18. 10:38 AM - Re: Re:finally (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC AEROSPACE CORP])
19. 12:36 PM - Re: Re: Plans for a good fuse workbench (Charles Campbell)
20. 12:42 PM - Piet Progress (Richard Schreiber)
21. 12:51 PM - Re: Re: Tail Wheel Spring Question (Charles Campbell)
22. 01:56 PM - Re: Ribs. (Jim Boyer)
23. 02:41 PM - Re: Re: Pilot Height (bradandlinda tds.net)
24. 02:41 PM - Re: Re: Ribs (Jim Boyer)
25. 03:00 PM - Re: Re: Re: Tail Wheel Spring Question (Jack)
26. 03:21 PM - Re: Re: Plans for a good fuse workbench (Greg Cardinal)
27. 03:49 PM - Re: Re: Plans for a good fuse workbench (Kip and Beth Gardner)
28. 03:54 PM - Re: Tail Wheel Spring Question (Dangerous Dave)
29. 04:26 PM - Re: Re: Plans for a good fuse workbench (Ryan Mueller)
30. 04:52 PM - Re: Piet Progress (kevinpurtee)
31. 05:56 PM - Re: Help please: MA-3SPA Carb (shad bell)
32. 06:12 PM - Re: Piet Progress (V Groah)
33. 06:21 PM - Re: Ribs. (V Groah)
34. 07:00 PM - Re: Re: Pilot Height (Kimball Isaac)
35. 07:02 PM - Re: Re: Need some tunes in the garage. (Rick Holland)
36. 07:16 PM - Re: Re: Tail Wheel Spring Question (Rick Holland)
37. 07:35 PM - Re: Ribs. (Jim Boyer)
38. 07:41 PM - Re: Help please: MA-3SPA Carb (Rick Holland)
39. 07:41 PM - Gardiner Mason's Piet (Oscar Zuniga)
40. 07:41 PM - Re: Tail Wheel Spring Question (Clif Dawson)
41. 07:41 PM - Re: Re: hangar life isn't so bad....... (Skip Gadd)
42. 07:42 PM - Re: hangar life isn't so bad....... (Skip Gadd)
43. 07:50 PM - Re: Help please: MA-3SPA Carb (bubbleboy)
44. 09:15 PM - Re: Pilot Height (K5YAC)
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Subject: | Re: Need some tunes in the garage. |
Waiting for paint to dry is right up there.dave
do no archive
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Covering Piet
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=330729#330729
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Subject: | man-cave hangar decorating |
And a different twist altogether, with us living in one hangar and the airp
lanes in another. Puryear, TN.
Dan Helsper
Poplar Grove, IL.
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Subject: | Re: hangar life isn't so bad....... |
I got to live at Biggin Hill airpark (Fly in comunnity) near Lubbock, Texas for
a year. Everyone in the family loved it: Grass strip well maintained .lots of
open spaces. Good flying friends. our security was all of our neighbors asking
people who they were looking for. (Yes everyone there is armed.) Open areas
for kids to ride bikes and play. One old man (Van White) who did aerobatics about
every other day in his clipped wing cub. 4 Bonanza owners living on the field.
Parking the Vtail in front of the house in the moring and packing it so
we could take off as soon as I got home. Parking it in front of the house when
we returned and just going into the house. Having a British pilot buddy (we worked
togather in Iraq) fly a Cessna 150 from Tulsa, OK to Lubbock so that he
could "Tie down in my garden." Best memory" was watching my 5 and 6 year old boys
playing cowboy with the neighbor boys. They were wearing shorts, cowboy boots
and hats, carrying toy guns and one was riding a toy 4 wheeler while the others
held on to the rear bar and they were looking for bad guys.
My wife (and family) are on board to live at an airpark, and we have discussed
eventually building a hanger home/apartment. In my dreams.
Blue Skies,
Steve D
----- Original Message -----
From: Gboothe5 <gboothe5@comcast.net>
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: hangar life isn't so bad.......
> So, with all this talk of Hanger Houses, at lunch, I just had to
> ask my wife
> of 20+ years, "How would you feel about living in a hanger with living
> quarters?" .."Fine with me - as long as I have room for a computer
> and a
> sewing machine." I have no idea where one finds such airports, though!
> Certainly not here in California!
>
>
>
> Gary Boothe
>
>
>
> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
> Ryan Mueller
> Sent: Friday, February 11, 2011 1:56 PM
> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: hangar life isn't so bad.......
>
>
>
> Much cheaper, and will probably hold the value better than a house
> :P
>
>
>
> Ryan
>
>
>
> do not archive
>
> On Fri, Feb 11, 2011 at 3:08 PM, Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC
> AEROSPACECORP] < wrote:
>
> Don't you worry Billy..a hangar CAN be cheaper than therapy, counseling, or
> divorce so keep the dream alive
>
> and once you DO get your plane built you can deck out your hangar to make it
> comfy and fun for yourself.
>
>
>
> Some guys go to the boat dock, some to the ball game, some play darts, some
> go hunting, some go fishing but when
>
> I want to hear the birds chirping and decompress I just go the hangar and
> change the oil, listen to the radio, put on some
>
> old time CD music, cook out on the grill, or just sit there in the shade
> watching people do takeoff and landings.some
>
> of them downwind and just wait to hear the squeal of the brakes, the rubber
> being worn off in nice flat spots for the next
>
> renter pilot to feel the rhythmic thump, thump, thump of the wheels.
>
>
>
> Ah yes, hangar life is wonderful ! (until some butt head comes over and
> starts expounding about the good old days when
>
> avgas as 5 cents a gallon or asks you how many horse power your Volkswagon
> engine puts out in your 'ultralight'..and how
>
> they had Pietenpol plans in their attic somewhere and always did want to
> build an airplane..and then they'll tell you what you did
>
> wrong and question your ability to do your own sign-offs on the yearly
> inspections and maintenance. Other than that, it's GREAT !
>
>
>
>
>
> Mike C.
>
>
>
> do not archive
>
>
>
>
>
>
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Subject: | Tail Wheel Spring Question |
Morning all,
I am debating whether to use a leaf spring or the welded up assembly for
my
tail wheel. The attached pictures show a leaf spring (2). They are
=BC=94 x
about 14=94, quite stiff. It=92s hard to deflect just one of the
springs. Was
wondering if I could get by with just one leaf to save some weight,
understanding I would be screwed if it broke.
Question number 2. That is a Scott tail wheel model 3-24R. I know zip
about these except I had one on my 140. It appears when one or both of
the
side arms is pulled forward it locks the wheel so as to turn the wheel
with
the deflection of the arm. The arms don=92t =93spring back=94 to the
rear
unlocking the wheel. Should they?
Thanks in advance!
Jack
DSM
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Subject: | Need some tunes in the garage. |
Wait till you are sanding silver - you'll wish you had spent more time
ironing those edges
Do Not Archive
Jack Phillips
NX899JP "Icarus Plummet"
Raleigh, NC
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Andrew M
Eldredge
Sent: Friday, February 11, 2011 10:01 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Need some tunes in the garage.
You know what's boring? Ironing down the edges of tapes is boring.
--
Andrew Eldredge
Sahuarita, AZ
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Subject: | Man-cave hangar decorating |
And a different twist altogether, us living in one hangar and the airplanes
in another.
Dan Helsper
Poplar Grove, IL.
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Subject: | Tail Wheel Spring Question |
Further investigation revels it=92s a Scott 3-24B which now is a Scott
2000.
Additional files attached. These things are expensive!
Jack
DSM
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jack
Sent: Saturday, February 12, 2011 6:08 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Tail Wheel Spring Question
Morning all,
I am debating whether to use a leaf spring or the welded up assembly for
my
tail wheel. The attached pictures show a leaf spring (2). They are
=BC=94 x
about 14=94, quite stiff. It=92s hard to deflect just one of the
springs. Was
wondering if I could get by with just one leaf to save some weight,
understanding I would be screwed if it broke.
Question number 2. That is a Scott tail wheel model 3-24R. I know zip
about these except I had one on my 140. It appears when one or both of
the
side arms is pulled forward it locks the wheel so as to turn the wheel
with
the deflection of the arm. The arms don=92t =93spring back=94 to the
rear
unlocking the wheel. Should they?
Thanks in advance!
Jack
DSM
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Subject: | Re: Plans for a good fuse workbench |
Mark,
Flamed, Yes. Banned, I don't think so...
Most of what you propose has already been done, to some extent. 4' center
sections, enlarged tail surfaces, deeper fuselage, taller panel and
turtledeck, tipped back pilot seat, etc. The only new idea I see is the
plastic drag 'wires'...interesting idea! I say, "Experiment away...!" And
let He Who Says He Built To Plans speak up, 'cause I have yet to see anyone
with a ternplate fuel tank...
Gary
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Mark Roberts
Sent: Friday, February 11, 2011 11:10 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Plans for a good fuse workbench
Well, Chuck, you are really trying to get me Flamed, banned and thrown off
this list! :o)
Glad to share what I have done so far. I know many that would say what I am
doing is perverting a great design, and thus far I have kept my design
elements quiet so as not to disrupt the flow of ideas here, but perhaps
there are other 'larger than should be' folks like me out there, and so I
will share, for better or for worse, my intended design modifications.
I am not an aeronautical engineer (neither was our beloved designer of the
original), but a long time modeler and designer and I am making the wing
mod's based on structural info I have found that seem to verify that the
wing spars are of more than sufficient strength at 1"
thick, and an additional 1" taller than originally called out --5.75"
in the fore spar, 5 5/8" in the rear--(Bernie's later designs were using
3/4" thick spars, not the 1" thick he originally drew in the plans). The
wing bays are an added 2' on each side, requiring the modifications of the
tail surfaces to meet the design requirements of stability with the extra
wing. I might add a bit more to the fin/rudder area to insure the stability
and avoid a potential spin problem mentioned earlier in this posting series.
To accommodate the added wing bays, I moved the spar attachments out one
bay, lengthening the wing struts a bit. I will be putting Jury struts on the
struts as recommended, and required by this additional length.
These mods are not all completed in my sketch up drawing, but some can be
seen in the design attached. I played around with a concept you'll see on
these drawings that I found in a build of another plans built LSA design:
the AMF 14H Miranda. The designed used fiber reinforced strapping material
for the drag/anti-drag wires verses cable and turnbuckles. He saved a TON of
weight, and an equal amount of money as those turnbuckles cost more than the
birth of my children... You can see this on the website
www.mywoodenairplane.com which is an online build log. The guy has a bunch
left over and would most likely sell a bunch of it cheap. He's a nice guy
too... This tape/ribbon is the stuff you see and get wrapped around any
large box that's been shipped. It's the stuff that has a heat sealed
connection with the other end of the tape where they meet. (It's not the
stuff on a roll that is sticky and you buy it at Office Max... this is the
stuff you can't break for your life.). Many of us have opened this stuff by
turning it over at the joint where the 2 ends meet and peeling one end away
from the other end and it releases the bond... Great stuff for the
drag/anti-drag system, and just as strong as the steel and turnbuckles they
replace. Anyway, that's what you see below drawn into the wing. It is just
one side of it. I need to draw in the other side of the system, but now I
can actually start building, so I will most likely wait till I get closer to
that assembly.
Anyway, this is why it is called 'experimental' right ;o) I won't be
the first guy to try something, but if it looks to be done somewhere else, I
will consider it if it seemed to work out ok for the other guy
:o)
Here's the pics of the drawing so far.
Mark
On Fri, Feb 11, 2011 at 6:50 AM, Charles Waldo <cwaldo.jr@gmail.com> wrote:
> Mark
>
> Could you post a Jpg of your piet model in sketchup? Just wanted to
> see what yourmodel looks like and how far along you are on it.....
>
> Chuck
>
> On Thu, Feb 10, 2011 at 10:47 PM, Mark Roberts <mark.rbrts1@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>>
>> --> <mark.rbrts1@gmail.com>
>>
>> Well, at the risk of getting flamed, or worse yet, branded as a Piet
>> Heretic, I am building my virtual Piet in Google Sketch Up because of
>> some of the design elements I am changing to meet my particular needs.
>>
>> At 6'4" and almost as big around, I am needing the extra width to the
>> fuse (28" wide at the back seat) and I am lengthening the nose a bit
>> (Per Bernard's suggestion due to a lighter motor), AND I am using the
>> GA-30-613.5 airfoil. One last thing is the extra bay's I am adding
>> to the wing tips and deepening the spars (keeping them at 1" thick,
>> carefully routed for lightness) and moving the strut connection
>> points out one bay to support the extra bays, and I felt I needed to
>> insure the changes all fit when I hit the shop.
>>
>> I know that sounds like lots of changes, but the design elements all
>> take the same Piet form, and I am building an airplane that will be
>> mine until I decide I don't want it anymore, or can't fly, so I felt
>> I'd build it to fit ME, not Bernard :o)
>>
>> I drew the metal parts (not fully completed) to fit the changes, and
>> that included adding the 1/2" to the strut attachments all around to
>> make the connections easier. I had read comments here about that
>> already.
>>
>> Again, heresy I know, but it's gonna be mine when I'm done :o)
>>
>> Sketchup allowed me to measure the proper distances, and to correct
>> the tail sections to be the proper area to match the wing changes,
>> etc. I know, one change creates a hundred others, but it's kept my
>> head into the dream for a year and a half when I couldn't buy spit.
>> So, it was accomplishing something for me and now I can begin the
>> build proper...
>>
>> Thanks for all the feedback on the table. My first thing I'll be
>> doing (after taking a trip to the Groah's with my camera) is to build
>> the table. Once that is over I will feel as though I am really gonna
>> build me a plane!
>>
>> Mark
>>
>> On Thu, Feb 10, 2011 at 11:46 AM, V Groah <vgroah@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> > Correctgood idea. Vic
>> >
>> >> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Plans for a good fuse workbench
>> >> From: hangar10@cox.net
>> >> Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2011 09:25:18 -0800
>> >> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> mark.rbrts1(at)gmail.com wrote:
>> >> > Oh, one other really cool thing: I am drawing the metal parts up
>> >> > in Sketch Up and cleaning them in my CAD program so I can
>> >> > deliver them to an old acquaintance I have recently renewed a
>> >> > relationship with. He owns a steel fabrication company, and has
>> >> > a laser cutting machine for his fabrication plant. He said "How
>> >> > thick are the parts? NO problem!
>> >> > Bring me the pans and I'll cut all those parts for you to
>> >> > perfection!"
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> One word of advice, be sure to make the lift strut attach
>> >> fittings, cabane strut fittings and anything else that might be a
>> >> clearance issue about 1/2"
>> >> longer (perhaps others can chime in). I know that some fittings
>> >> made to the plans can create minor clearance issues.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> mark.rbrts1(at)gmail.com wrote:
>> >> > Any suggestions on programs to use for the build log online?
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> www.mykitlog.com is powered by the same fella that provide this
>> >> forum for us. I think the program is $50, but it allows you to
>> >> track build time, photos and details, expense items, vendors, etc.
>> >> You can post an online version to the web and the print version is
>> >> formatted very nicely and will make a nice hardcopy of the log
>> >> book. Pretty slick tool. If you want to see an example, check out
>> >> my kitlog link in my signature below.
>> >>
>> >> --------
>> >> Mark Chouinard
>> >> Wings, Center Section and Empannage framed up - Working on
>> >> Fuselage
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Read this topic online here:
>> >>
>> >> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=330465#330465
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
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Looks beautiful, Bill
Jack Phillips
NX899JP "Icarus Plummet"
Raleigh, NC
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of BYD
Sent: Friday, February 11, 2011 11:58 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Finally
All major components together at the same time for the first time.
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=330714#330714
Attachments:
http://forums.matronics.com//files/wings_on_167.jpg
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Way to go, Bill Sayre!!!
A Pietenpol Air Camper that looks like an Air Camper. No stretching, widening,
exotic upgrades or new-fangled engines. A proud reminder of a simpler and more
independent-thinking America when tinkerers made icons in their barns.
I have often wondered how many others out in Matronics land are making a basic
no-frills airplane with nothing more than basic tools and their own native
intelligence but aren't saying anything because there isn't much of an ego boost
in announcing that you're trying to stay true to the plans and the flavor of the
30's. I hope there are a lot.
Sorry, just musing on a snowy Saturday morning......in my hangar-home......with
my wife......and her sewing machine.....looking at some empty lots that need
more hangar homes......with Pietenpols in them.
Larry W.
NX899LW
1AR9
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Subject: | Re: Plans for a good fuse workbench |
I especially like the child riding on the rolling seat=2C looks like he/she
is having a blast! Of course if he/she knocks over that argon bottle and
breaks off the regulator=2C it could be a REALLY fun ride!! =3B)
Gene
do not archive
From: dskogrover@yahoo.com
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Plans for a good fuse workbench
Brian=2C
Vic is my dad and it's our joint project. Here are a couple quick pics
I shot the other day.
Mike Groah
Tulare
From: "brian.e.jardine@l-3com.com" <brian.e.jardine@l-3com.com>
Sent: Thu=2C February 10=2C 2011 9:59:48 AM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Plans for a good fuse workbench
Vic=2C
How about posting a few pics of your plane before you =93blow it apart=94 f
or covering. Thanks.
Brian
SLC-UT
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-lis
t-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of V Groah
Sent: Thursday=2C February 10=2C 2011 10:10 AM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Plans for a good fuse workbench
Mark.
Good to see you back. If you are serious about starting a Piet you might w
ant to consider coming 40 miles south and look at ours before we blow it ap
art for fabric. We are just about ready to do that. In about 6 weeks it w
ill be in pieces again for fabric. We have photos of some of the jigs we m
ade that worked and could give some guidance on things that could be done w
rong. Yes=2C we did have a couple of things that after close examination h
ad to be redone. It Happens. Bring a camera and take photos. It is not l
ike we have the ideal plane or know all the answers. We don't. We have=2C
however=2C gone through the process and have a result. We found that grab
bing ideas from other builders that had gone before us saved a lot of head
scratching and avoided a lot of missteps.
Besides=2C we would like to see you again. Come and see us=2C we are not f
ar away. Vic and Mike Groah.
Ps. Any other Piet guys are welcome too. Just contact us. vgroah@hotmail
.com
> Date: Thu=2C 10 Feb 2011 07:57:02 -0800
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Plans for a good fuse workbench
> From: mark.rbrts1@gmail.com
> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
>
>
>
> Wow guys! Many thanks for all the info...
>
> I had to let my EAA national membership lapse due to the financial
> crisis of the last year and 2 months=2C but I plan to renew soon and I
> can access the plans they have on the EAA download site.
>
> Seems simple enough to just build a table=2C but I thought I'd ask y'all
> because of the 'Round shoulders=2C flat forehead" syndrome I suffer
> from. It's the result of the moment when you shrug your shoulders=2C and
> slap your forehead once you see something and say "Why didn't I think
> of that BEFORE I built my table!"
>
> I have so much room in the barn that I am considering one long table
> versus separate ones=2C but that may change when I actually start the
> project. I had been planning the ribs and wing first due to space=2C but
> I might start the fuse (more desirable) and then I have the mounting
> point for all the rest. Besides=2C you just can't sit on a wing and make
> airplane noises as well as you can a fuse.
>
> Oh=2C one other really cool thing: I am drawing the metal parts up in
> Sketch Up and cleaning them in my CAD program so I can deliver them to
> an old acquaintance I have recently renewed a relationship with. He
> owns a steel fabrication company=2C and has a laser cutting machine for
> his fabrication plant. He said "How thick are the parts? NO problem!
> Bring me the pans and I'll cut all those parts for you to perfection!"
>
> Yes Gary Boothe=2C I know it's cheating. And yes=2C I know how long it
> took you to make your parts. But I am relieved! :oD
>
> Thanks again for all the advice. I hope to post some pics in the next few
weeks.
>
> Any suggestions on programs to use for the build log online?
>
> Mark
>
> On Thu=2C Feb 10=2C 2011 at 5:52 AM=2C K5YAC <hangar10@cox.net> wrote:
> >
> > Yes=2C I am tall.... I might be able to look OVER the wing.
> >
> > I also can't spell dimensions. [Embarassed]
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> > Mark Chouinard
> > Wings=2C Center Section and Empannage framed up - Working on Fuselage
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Subject: | Re: man cave hangar decorating |
I am a mile from the airport where I am building... while I do have a desk and
a computer there, it isn't a plush man cave since most of the space is taken up
by tooling, materials and assemblies. I hope to reorganize once the bird is
assembled because we do enjoy hanging out at the field. Wife and kiddo love
riding their bikes up there... a fridge and the grill are often kept there in
the warmer months so we can throw on some burgers and keep making progress. Definitely
a fun place to hang out. I know that Theresa and Tyler would love to
live closer to our friends on the field (and me too)... perhaps one day we will.
--------
Mark Chouinard
Wings, Center Section and Empannage framed up - Working on Fuselage
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Larry, I think you're quite right. There are a LOT of guys out there just
quietly building, without changing much if anything, and making great
progress. A couple of weeks ago I went to eastern North Carolina (right off
Pamlico Sound) to help Don Lane do the weight and balance on his beautiful
Model A powered Pietenpol. Don is on the list, but is a quiet lurker,
preferring to spend his time building airplane parts. He reads the list and
uses what seems useful to him. He has done a really nice job on his
airplane. Now I'm trying to convince him to fly it to Brodhead this summer
or next, depending on how long it takes him to get comfortable with it.
Here is a picture of it (Don, I hope you don't mind me posting this without
asking you):
It should be ready to fly in a few weeks. Note his hand-carved propeller.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP "Icarus Plummet"
Raleigh, NC
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Lawrence
Williams
Sent: Saturday, February 12, 2011 9:17 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re:finally
Way to go, Bill Sayre!!!
A Pietenpol Air Camper that looks like an Air Camper. No stretching,
widening, exotic upgrades or new-fangled engines. A proud reminder of a
simpler and more independent-thinking America when tinkerers made icons in
their barns.
I have often wondered how many others out in Matronics land are making a
basic no-frills airplane with nothing more than basic tools and their own
native intelligence but aren't saying anything because there isn't much of
an ego boost in announcing that you're trying to stay true to the plans and
the flavor of the 30's. I hope there are a lot.
Sorry, just musing on a snowy Saturday morning......in my
hangar-home......with my wife......and her sewing machine.....looking at
some empty lots that need more hangar homes......with Pietenpols in them.
Larry W.
NX899LW
1AR9
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Subject: | Re: man-cave hangar decorating |
I like that A Lot. Good clean look, not trying to be something it is not.
Yahoo.
Steve D.
----- Original Message -----
From: helspersew@aol.com
Subject: Pietenpol-List: man-cave hangar decorating
>
> And a different twist altogether, with us living in one hangar and
> the airplanes in another. Puryear, TN.
>
> Dan Helsper
> Poplar Grove, IL.
>
>
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Beautiful airplanes. Congratulations to all.
Y'all didn't know I existed until I posted the pictures after the first flight.
The list is great but during building it felt like the internet was a distraction
that didn't add much forward motion to to the process.
Wouldn't call it an ego boost, but I'm personally kinda proud of the fact that
I stuck really close to the plans, yet still fly the tar out of it.
In fairness, there are lots of guys out there building who do spend some time posting
here. I've also made a LOT of really good friends here.
Respectfully,
Kevin
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Kevin "Axel" Purtee
NX899KP
Austin/Georgetown, TX
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Subject: | Re: Plans for a good fuse workbench |
C'mon, Gene, you're involved professionally in safety. Shout my favorite safety
slogan with me:
"Safety sucks! Press your luck!"
Sorry. Been being safe for a job for a long time. Betcha John Recine knows that
slogan, too.
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Kevin "Axel" Purtee
NX899KP
Austin/Georgetown, TX
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Subject: | Tail Wheel Spring Question |
Still hoping for some assistance=85
Anybody have knowledge on the Scott tail wheels?
Thoughts on leaf springs, one, two or none?
Thanks
Jack
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jack
Sent: Saturday, February 12, 2011 6:54 AM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Tail Wheel Spring Question
Further investigation revels it=92s a Scott 3-24B which now is a Scott
2000.
Additional files attached. These things are expensive!
Jack
DSM
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[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jack
Sent: Saturday, February 12, 2011 6:08 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Tail Wheel Spring Question
Morning all,
I am debating whether to use a leaf spring or the welded up assembly for
my
tail wheel. The attached pictures show a leaf spring (2). They are
=BC=94 x
about 14=94, quite stiff. It=92s hard to deflect just one of the
springs. Was
wondering if I could get by with just one leaf to save some weight,
understanding I would be screwed if it broke.
Question number 2. That is a Scott tail wheel model 3-24R. I know zip
about these except I had one on my 140. It appears when one or both of
the
side arms is pulled forward it locks the wheel so as to turn the wheel
with
the deflection of the arm. The arms don=92t =93spring back=94 to the
rear
unlocking the wheel. Should they?
Thanks in advance!
Jack
DSM
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That's GREAT news Bill Sayre and congratulations ! Good to see you posting on
the list and that you're getting closer to flying your Pietenpol. I know you
miss your Boredom Fighter but hopefully you're still flying the Stinson.
Keep plugging !
Mike C.
Ohio
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Subject: | Re: Plans for a good fuse workbench |
Incidentally, what is 'ternplate'?
----- Original Message -----
From: "Gboothe5" <gboothe5@comcast.net>
Sent: Saturday, February 12, 2011 8:26 AM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Plans for a good fuse workbench
>
> Mark,
>
> Flamed, Yes. Banned, I don't think so...
>
> Most of what you propose has already been done, to some extent. 4' center
> sections, enlarged tail surfaces, deeper fuselage, taller panel and
> turtledeck, tipped back pilot seat, etc. The only new idea I see is the
> plastic drag 'wires'...interesting idea! I say, "Experiment away...!" And
> let He Who Says He Built To Plans speak up, 'cause I have yet to see
> anyone
> with a ternplate fuel tank...
>
> Gary
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Mark
> Roberts
> Sent: Friday, February 11, 2011 11:10 AM
> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Plans for a good fuse workbench
>
> Well, Chuck, you are really trying to get me Flamed, banned and thrown off
> this list! :o)
>
> Glad to share what I have done so far. I know many that would say what I
> am
> doing is perverting a great design, and thus far I have kept my design
> elements quiet so as not to disrupt the flow of ideas here, but perhaps
> there are other 'larger than should be' folks like me out there, and so I
> will share, for better or for worse, my intended design modifications.
>
> I am not an aeronautical engineer (neither was our beloved designer of the
> original), but a long time modeler and designer and I am making the wing
> mod's based on structural info I have found that seem to verify that the
> wing spars are of more than sufficient strength at 1"
> thick, and an additional 1" taller than originally called out --5.75"
> in the fore spar, 5 5/8" in the rear--(Bernie's later designs were using
> 3/4" thick spars, not the 1" thick he originally drew in the plans). The
> wing bays are an added 2' on each side, requiring the modifications of the
> tail surfaces to meet the design requirements of stability with the extra
> wing. I might add a bit more to the fin/rudder area to insure the
> stability
> and avoid a potential spin problem mentioned earlier in this posting
> series.
> To accommodate the added wing bays, I moved the spar attachments out one
> bay, lengthening the wing struts a bit. I will be putting Jury struts on
> the
> struts as recommended, and required by this additional length.
>
> These mods are not all completed in my sketch up drawing, but some can be
> seen in the design attached. I played around with a concept you'll see on
> these drawings that I found in a build of another plans built LSA design:
> the AMF 14H Miranda. The designed used fiber reinforced strapping material
> for the drag/anti-drag wires verses cable and turnbuckles. He saved a TON
> of
> weight, and an equal amount of money as those turnbuckles cost more than
> the
> birth of my children... You can see this on the website
> www.mywoodenairplane.com which is an online build log. The guy has a bunch
> left over and would most likely sell a bunch of it cheap. He's a nice guy
> too... This tape/ribbon is the stuff you see and get wrapped around any
> large box that's been shipped. It's the stuff that has a heat sealed
> connection with the other end of the tape where they meet. (It's not the
> stuff on a roll that is sticky and you buy it at Office Max... this is the
> stuff you can't break for your life.). Many of us have opened this stuff
> by
> turning it over at the joint where the 2 ends meet and peeling one end
> away
> from the other end and it releases the bond... Great stuff for the
> drag/anti-drag system, and just as strong as the steel and turnbuckles
> they
> replace. Anyway, that's what you see below drawn into the wing. It is
> just
> one side of it. I need to draw in the other side of the system, but now I
> can actually start building, so I will most likely wait till I get closer
> to
> that assembly.
>
> Anyway, this is why it is called 'experimental' right ;o) I won't be
> the first guy to try something, but if it looks to be done somewhere else,
> I
> will consider it if it seemed to work out ok for the other guy
> :o)
>
> Here's the pics of the drawing so far.
>
> Mark
>
>
> On Fri, Feb 11, 2011 at 6:50 AM, Charles Waldo <cwaldo.jr@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>> Mark
>>
>> Could you post a Jpg of your piet model in sketchup? Just wanted to
>> see what your model looks like and how far along you are on it.....
>>
>> Chuck
>>
>> On Thu, Feb 10, 2011 at 10:47 PM, Mark Roberts <mark.rbrts1@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> --> <mark.rbrts1@gmail.com>
>>>
>>> Well, at the risk of getting flamed, or worse yet, branded as a Piet
>>> Heretic, I am building my virtual Piet in Google Sketch Up because of
>>> some of the design elements I am changing to meet my particular needs.
>>>
>>> At 6'4" and almost as big around, I am needing the extra width to the
>>> fuse (28" wide at the back seat) and I am lengthening the nose a bit
>>> (Per Bernard's suggestion due to a lighter motor), AND I am using the
>>> GA-30-613.5 airfoil. One last thing is the extra bay's I am adding
>>> to the wing tips and deepening the spars (keeping them at 1" thick,
>>> carefully routed for lightness) and moving the strut connection
>>> points out one bay to support the extra bays, and I felt I needed to
>>> insure the changes all fit when I hit the shop.
>>>
>>> I know that sounds like lots of changes, but the design elements all
>>> take the same Piet form, and I am building an airplane that will be
>>> mine until I decide I don't want it anymore, or can't fly, so I felt
>>> I'd build it to fit ME, not Bernard :o)
>>>
>>> I drew the metal parts (not fully completed) to fit the changes, and
>>> that included adding the 1/2" to the strut attachments all around to
>>> make the connections easier. I had read comments here about that
>>> already.
>>>
>>> Again, heresy I know, but it's gonna be mine when I'm done :o)
>>>
>>> Sketchup allowed me to measure the proper distances, and to correct
>>> the tail sections to be the proper area to match the wing changes,
>>> etc. I know, one change creates a hundred others, but it's kept my
>>> head into the dream for a year and a half when I couldn't buy spit.
>>> So, it was accomplishing something for me and now I can begin the
>>> build proper...
>>>
>>> Thanks for all the feedback on the table. My first thing I'll be
>>> doing (after taking a trip to the Groah's with my camera) is to build
>>> the table. Once that is over I will feel as though I am really gonna
>>> build me a plane!
>>>
>>> Mark
>>>
>>> On Thu, Feb 10, 2011 at 11:46 AM, V Groah <vgroah@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>> > Correct good idea. Vic
>>> >
>>> >> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Plans for a good fuse workbench
>>> >> From: hangar10@cox.net
>>> >> Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2011 09:25:18 -0800
>>> >> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >> mark.rbrts1(at)gmail.com wrote:
>>> >> > Oh, one other really cool thing: I am drawing the metal parts up
>>> >> > in Sketch Up and cleaning them in my CAD program so I can
>>> >> > deliver them to an old acquaintance I have recently renewed a
>>> >> > relationship with. He owns a steel fabrication company, and has
>>> >> > a laser cutting machine for his fabrication plant. He said "How
>>> >> > thick are the parts? NO problem!
>>> >> > Bring me the pans and I'll cut all those parts for you to
>>> >> > perfection!"
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >> One word of advice, be sure to make the lift strut attach
>>> >> fittings, cabane strut fittings and anything else that might be a
>>> >> clearance issue about 1/2"
>>> >> longer (perhaps others can chime in). I know that some fittings
>>> >> made to the plans can create minor clearance issues.
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >> mark.rbrts1(at)gmail.com wrote:
>>> >> > Any suggestions on programs to use for the build log online?
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >> www.mykitlog.com is powered by the same fella that provide this
>>> >> forum for us. I think the program is $50, but it allows you to
>>> >> track build time, photos and details, expense items, vendors, etc.
>>> >> You can post an online version to the web and the print version is
>>> >> formatted very nicely and will make a nice hardcopy of the log
>>> >> book. Pretty slick tool. If you want to see an example, check out
>>> >> my kitlog link in my signature below.
>>> >>
>>> >> --------
>>> >> Mark Chouinard
>>> >> Wings, Center Section and Empannage framed up - Working on
>>> >> Fuselage
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >> Read this topic online here:
>>> >>
>>> >> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=330465#330465
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> > >======================
>>> > &g===================
>>> >>
>>> >&=====
>>> -Day Browse, Chat, FAQ,
>>> ="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List"
>>> target="_blank">ht======
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I thought I would post an update photo of my progress. Here is a picture I took
this morning of my Pietenpol with its wheels on for the first time. Finished
up the axle welding yesterday. When I bolted on the brakes and put the wheels
on everything fit perfect!. The cowling is finished from the firewall back. Now
I really have no excuse to finish up my corvair engine.
By the way, I used Buchanan spokes, but did not have them laced up by Buchanans.
My next door neighbor restores motorcycles and he and I did it ourselves. It
was any easy process and fun to do.
As soon as the weather breaks this spring, I'll be moving the Piet out to the hanger
and putting on the wings.
Rick Schreiber
Valparaiso IN
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Subject: | Re: Tail Wheel Spring Question |
Tail Wheel Spring QuestionJack, I had a Scott tail wheel on a PA22/20
conversion I did several years ago. Have no idea what the type number
was. I think it had 2 springs, but it was quite a bit heavier than a
Piet. Personnally, I would think one spring would suffice. Do you
already have the tail wheel? If not, I would recommend you consider a
Matco -- much less expensive. I think I will build the tail wheel like
the plans only not have the skid welded to the bottom plate, then bolt
the Matco to the plate that joins the two arms. Maybe have a short
piece of like 1/8 thick material between the plate and the tail wheel.
Don't know where I'll get the coil spring.
----- Original Message -----
From: Jack
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Saturday, February 12, 2011 11:49 AM
Subject: RE: RE: Pietenpol-List: Tail Wheel Spring Question
Still hoping for some assistance.
Anybody have knowledge on the Scott tail wheels?
Thoughts on leaf springs, one, two or none?
Thanks
Jack
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jack
Sent: Saturday, February 12, 2011 6:54 AM
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Tail Wheel Spring Question
Further investigation revels it's a Scott 3-24B which now is a Scott
2000. Additional files attached. These things are expensive!
Jack
DSM
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jack
Sent: Saturday, February 12, 2011 6:08 AM
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Tail Wheel Spring Question
Morning all,
I am debating whether to use a leaf spring or the welded up assembly
for my tail wheel. The attached pictures show a leaf spring (2). They
are =BC" x about 14", quite stiff. It's hard to deflect just one of the
springs. Was wondering if I could get by with just one leaf to save
some weight, understanding I would be screwed if it broke.
Question number 2. That is a Scott tail wheel model 3-24R. I know
zip about these except I had one on my 140. It appears when one or both
of the side arms is pulled forward it locks the wheel so as to turn the
wheel with the deflection of the arm. The arms don't "spring back" to
the rear unlocking the wheel. Should they?
Thanks in advance!
Jack
DSM
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The knee is much better now; I can get in and out of the car, go upstairs and
lots of things you normally take for granted but can't work on the Piet yet.
They were giving me cumadin (sp?) and for two weeks before surgery and for another
two weeks from now I can't do anything that might scratch or cut me and cause
me to bleed as my blood won't clot right now. I should be able to work on
it again starting in March.
March will be better as I can now ride the bicycle machine and get the pedals all
the way around and the knee now has about 100 degrees of motion.
Now I want to visit you, Chris and Mike/Vic Groah as it sounds like you are all
close to covering your Piet.
Its nice to be able to get up and walk around now.
Cheers and keep up the good work,
Jim B.
Do not archive
----- Original Message -----
From: "Gboothe5" <gboothe5@comcast.net>
Sent: Friday, February 11, 2011 5:06:10 PM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Ribs
Axel threatened to come up and beat the crap out of me if I didn't get on the stick...well,
that's how it sounded!
How's the Bionic Man doing? Hope that knee's ready for work...
Gary
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-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim Boyer
Sent: Friday, February 11, 2011 4:55 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Ribs
Hi Gary,
I knew it; get immobilized for a while and you discovered how to make ribs again!
Only two to go; thats really good; have you got your spars done now ready for
the ribs?
Jim B.
Do not archive
----- Original Message -----
From: "Gboothe5" <gboothe5@comcast.net>
Sent: Friday, February 11, 2011 4:38:09 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Ribs
2 to go! Dares I say I'll finish this weekend?
Gary Boothe
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Subject: | Re: Pilot Height |
to K5YAC Mark, I am 6'2" tall. When Rob Bach built my Aircamper
(NX29NX) he moved the rudder pedals and heel brakes a little over 2"
forward and it works great. We also had to cut out the upper portion of the
foot openings to provide clearance for my shin bones. You could cut your
legs shorter as someone suggested but if the operation failed, you couldn't
sue the doctor (you wouldn't have a leg to stand on)! Brad Williams
On Fri, Feb 11, 2011 at 6:24 PM, Ryan Mueller <rmueller23@gmail.com> wrote:
> Well, and a torso any longer just delays the post-mastication wurst parade
> in your gut. And really, who wants that?
>
> Ryan
>
> do not archive
>
> On Fri, Feb 11, 2011 at 5:35 PM, John Hofmann <jhofmann@reesgroupinc.com>wrote:
>
>> I would actually remove a bit of leg and torso. Maybe a bit between the
>> shin and knee and about half of the thigh bones. Then remove a few inches of
>> torso, being careful to leave the major organs. Then, you will be close to
>> being "properly sized." Dan Helsper and I can give you lessons on that
>> aspect. No real pilot should be over 5'6". That is a waste of height plus
>> the lack of oxygen at those altitudes leads to nose bleeds.
>>
>> -doc dillhoeffer-
>>
>> do not archive
>>
>> John Hofmann
>> Vice-President, Information Technology
>> The Rees Group, Inc.
>> 2424 American Lane
>> Madison, WI 53704
>> Phone: 608.443.2468 ext 150
>> Fax: 608.443.2474
>> Email: jhofmann@reesgroupinc.com
>>
>> On Feb 11, 2011, at 4:39 PM, Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC AEROSPACE
>> CORP] wrote:
>>
>> AEROSPACE CORP]" <michael.d.cuy@nasa.gov>
>>
>> How many Piets have you tried on at Brodhead Mark ?
>>
>> I'd side with Jack-- but build the long fuselage for your longer legs like
>> you and Jack have
>> plus the instrument panel won't be smack-dab in front of you like the
>> short fuselage feels at first...but
>> I got used to that in a hurry.
>>
>> I'm fine in the short fuselage version at 5' 9 1/2" tall.
>>
>> Mike - The --> http://www.matr &n -
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HI Kevin,
We have all been very supportive of Gary finishing his wing ribs. Now it looks
like he actually will be soon. I'm sure he really appreciates your support Kevin.
By the way Arlene and I will be Copper State again this year, unfortunately not
with my Piet though!
Jim
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----- Original Message -----
From: "kevinpurtee" <kevin.purtee@us.army.mil>
Sent: Friday, February 11, 2011 11:02:09 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Ribs
Now Gary, I think I asked (implored) you to finish the ribs in a positive, supportive
manner. I'm a sweet, thoughtful, nurturing, considerate, loving and kind
building friend.
Now finish the ribs this weekend or else!
:)
Jim Boyer - are you guys coming to Copper State?
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Kevin "Axel" Purtee
NX899KP
Austin/Georgetown, TX
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Subject: | Re: Tail Wheel Spring Question |
Thanks Charles, I do have the Scott and mounted it today. I used both
springs to be sure the assembly wouldn=92t get close to the rudder with
a bad
landing. I=92m using two bolts to mount it. Does anyone have an idea
on the
best size? AN5, AN6, AN8, AN15=85.
Thanks,
Jack
_____
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Charles
Campbell
Sent: Saturday, February 12, 2011 2:47 PM
Subject: Re: RE: Pietenpol-List: Tail Wheel Spring Question
Jack, I had a Scott tail wheel on a PA22/20 conversion I did several
years
ago. Have no idea what the type number was. I think it had 2 springs,
but
it was quite a bit heavier than a Piet. Personnally, I would think one
spring would suffice. Do you already have the tail wheel? If not, I
would
recommend you consider a Matco -- much less expensive. I think I will
build
the tail wheel like the plans only not have the skid welded to the
bottom
plate, then bolt the Matco to the plate that joins the two arms. Maybe
have
a short piece of like 1/8 thick material between the plate and the tail
wheel. Don't know where I'll get the coil spring.
----- Original Message -----
From: Jack <mailto:jack@textors.com>
Sent: Saturday, February 12, 2011 11:49 AM
Subject: RE: RE: Pietenpol-List: Tail Wheel Spring Question
Still hoping for some assistance=85
Anybody have knowledge on the Scott tail wheels?
Thoughts on leaf springs, one, two or none?
Thanks
Jack
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jack
Sent: Saturday, February 12, 2011 6:54 AM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Tail Wheel Spring Question
Further investigation revels it=92s a Scott 3-24B which now is a Scott
2000.
Additional files attached. These things are expensive!
Jack
DSM
_____
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jack
Sent: Saturday, February 12, 2011 6:08 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Tail Wheel Spring Question
Morning all,
I am debating whether to use a leaf spring or the welded up assembly for
my
tail wheel. The attached pictures show a leaf spring (2). They are
=BC=94 x
about 14=94, quite stiff. It=92s hard to deflect just one of the
springs. Was
wondering if I could get by with just one leaf to save some weight,
understanding I would be screwed if it broke.
Question number 2. That is a Scott tail wheel model 3-24R. I know zip
about these except I had one on my 140. It appears when one or both of
the
side arms is pulled forward it locks the wheel so as to turn the wheel
with
the deflection of the arm. The arms don=92t =93spring back=94 to the
rear
unlocking the wheel. Should they?
Thanks in advance!
Jack
DSM
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Subject: | Re: Plans for a good fuse workbench |
Sheet steel coated with a mixture or tin and lead/zinc. Commonly used in the
construction of fuel tanks many years ago.
Greg Cardinal
----- Original Message -----
From: "Charles Campbell" <cncampbell@windstream.net>
>
> Incidentally, what is 'ternplate'?
>
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Subject: | Re: Plans for a good fuse workbench |
I think the correct term is ternplate ??
Kip Gardner
On Feb 12, 2011, at 6:18 PM, Greg Cardinal wrote:
>
> Sheet steel coated with a mixture or tin and lead/zinc. Commonly used in the
construction of fuel tanks many years ago.
>
> Greg Cardinal
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Charles Campbell" <cncampbell@windstream.net>
>>
>> Incidentally, what is 'ternplate'?
>>
>
>
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Subject: | Re: Tail Wheel Spring Question |
Jack,I am using a Scott 2000 with a 4 leaf
Citabria 7ac spring, 3 and a helper spring.They are good tailwheels but forget
about any new parts for them.Have it bolted on with an AN6 and a bracket at the
rear.Dave
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Subject: | Re: Plans for a good fuse workbench |
Terneplate, actually....
On Sat, Feb 12, 2011 at 5:46 PM, Kip and Beth Gardner <
kipandbeth@earthlink.net> wrote:
> kipandbeth@earthlink.net>
>
> I think the correct term is ternplate ??
>
> Kip Gardner
>
> On Feb 12, 2011, at 6:18 PM, Greg Cardinal wrote:
>
> gcardinal@comcast.net>
> >
> > Sheet steel coated with a mixture or tin and lead/zinc. Commonly used in
> the construction of fuel tanks many years ago.
> >
> > Greg Cardinal
> >
> > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Charles Campbell" <
> cncampbell@windstream.net>
> >>
> >> Incidentally, what is 'ternplate'?
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
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Subject: | Re: Piet Progress |
VERY nice!
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Kevin "Axel" Purtee
NX899KP
Austin/Georgetown, TX
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Subject: | Re: Help please: MA-3SPA Carb |
Not sure what the difference is between P/N's, I am not even sure what P/N
(besides ma3 sp)-we have on dad's corvair.- From what little I have rea
d on the corvair carborator choices, any MA-3SPA should work fine.- Read
up in Wynne's Manual, and see how many cubic feet of air the carb can flow
(if you can find the specs).- The venturi might be a different size, or m
aybe just a different size jet.- I would say if you can get it for a reas
onable price try it.- The carb we have was origionally intended for an 0-
200 for a cassutt racer.
--- On Sat, 2/12/11, bubbleboy <scott.dawson3@bigpond.com> wrote:
From: bubbleboy <scott.dawson3@bigpond.com>
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Help please: MA-3SPA Carb
m>
Hi all....I have also posted this on a Corvair forum. Thought someone here
may know something too.
I have had the offer of a MA-3SPA Carb. Part No. 10-4115 Serial No. AV21410
FAA PA for my Corvair. This Carb has just been removed from a Cessna 150 w
ith an O-200. The owner has fitted a ROTEC throttle body carb to it.
I know WW says to use the MA-3SPA 10-4894. I believe the 10-4894 is off the
O-200? Does this mean this carb I have been offered will work the same? Ca
n anyone educate me as to what the difference is?
Maybe this one could be rebuilt as a 10-4894?
Thank you one and all for any help as it is a good price and comes with the
airbox/filter and cables I believe.
Scotty
Australia
--------
Scotty
Tamworth, Australia
Building a Corvair Powered Pietenpol Air Camper
www.scottyspietenpol.com
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WoW!! Looks great!!! congratulations on the progress. A lot of work done.
How long have you been working on it. Keep up the good work. Vic 414MV
Long Corvair. Califonia
From: lmforge@earthlink.net
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Piet Progress
I thought I would post an update photo of my progress. Here is a picture I
took this morning of my Pietenpol with its wheels on for the first time. Fi
nished up the axle welding yesterday. When I bolted on the brakes and put t
he wheels on everything fit perfect!. The cowling is finished from the fire
wall back. Now I really have no excuse to finish up my corvair engine.
By the way=2C I used Buchanan spokes=2C but did not have them laced up by B
uchanans. My next door neighbor restores motorcycles and he and I did it ou
rselves. It was any easy process and fun to do.
As soon as the weather breaks this spring=2C I'll be moving the Piet out to
the hanger and putting on the wings.
Rick Schreiber
Valparaiso IN
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Jim=2C you are truly one of the good guys. Hope to see you up and around
very soon. We sure enjoyed your visits to our humble shop here in Tulare.
Yes we are just about to blow it apart to cover. We have a few small proj
ects to finish and it will go to fabric. We hope to be covering early summ
er.
We have been wondering how that knee was doing. sounds like you are on the
mend but have a way to go to full recovery. We are looking forward to se
eing your pleasant countenance in our shop again some time soon. Vic
do not archive
> Date: Sat=2C 12 Feb 2011 21:53:48 +0000
> From: boyerjrb@comcast.net
> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Ribs.
>
>
> The knee is much better now=3B I can get in and out of the car=2C go upst
airs and lots of things you normally take for granted but can't work on the
Piet yet.
>
> They were giving me cumadin (sp?) and for two weeks before surgery and fo
r another two weeks from now I can't do anything that might scratch or cut
me and cause me to bleed as my blood won't clot right now. I should be able
to work on it again starting in March.
>
> March will be better as I can now ride the bicycle machine and get the pe
dals all the way around and the knee now has about 100 degrees of motion.
>
> Now I want to visit you=2C Chris and Mike/Vic Groah as it sounds like you
are all close to covering your Piet.
>
> Its nice to be able to get up and walk around now.
> Cheers and keep up the good work=2C
> Jim B.
>
> Do not archive
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Gboothe5" <gboothe5@comcast.net>
> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> Sent: Friday=2C February 11=2C 2011 5:06:10 PM
> Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Ribs
>
>
> Axel threatened to come up and beat the crap out of me if I didn't get on
the stick...well=2C that's how it sounded!
>
> How's the Bionic Man doing? Hope that knee's ready for work...
>
> Gary
> Do not archive
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-l
ist-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim Boyer
> Sent: Friday=2C February 11=2C 2011 4:55 PM
> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Ribs
>
>
> Hi Gary=2C
> I knew it=3B get immobilized for a while and you discovered how to make r
ibs again! Only two to go=3B thats really good=3B have you got your spars d
one now ready for the ribs?
> Jim B.
>
> Do not archive
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Gboothe5" <gboothe5@comcast.net>
> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> Sent: Friday=2C February 11=2C 2011 4:38:09 PM
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Ribs
>
> 2 to go! Dares I say I'll finish this weekend?
>
>
>
> Gary Boothe
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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Subject: | Re: Pilot Height |
Brad
I am also 6'2 technically 6'1 3/4 about 250 lbs is your Piet standard
length, width, and depth? just wondering where to start with my fuse
mockup. Dont want to build 3 of them if i can help it.:-)
Kim
On 12/02/2011 2:21 PM, bradandlinda tds.net wrote:
> to K5YAC Mark, I am 6'2" tall. When Rob Bach built my Aircamper
> (NX29NX) he moved the rudder pedals and heel brakes a little over 2"
> forward and it works great. We also had to cut out the upper portion
> of the foot openings to provide clearance for my shin bones. You
> could cut your legs shorter as someone suggested but if the operation
> failed, you couldn't sue the doctor (you wouldn't have a leg to stand
> on)! Brad Williams
>
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Subject: | Re: Need some tunes in the garage. |
At least watching paint dry on a Piet is slightly more interesting than
watching paint dry on a wall.
On Sat, Feb 12, 2011 at 4:12 AM, Dangerous Dave <dsornbor@aol.com> wrote:
>
> Waiting for paint to dry is right up there.dave
>
> do no archive
>
> --------
> Covering Piet
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=330729#330729
>
>
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Rick Holland
Castle Rock, Colorado
"A Foolish Consistency is the Hobgoblin of Little Minds"
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Subject: | Re: Tail Wheel Spring Question |
I just know they are a lot heavier than the plans tail-wheel or the J3
leaf-spring with a Matco like I have.
On Sat, Feb 12, 2011 at 9:49 AM, Jack <jack@textors.com> wrote:
> Still hoping for some assistance=85
>
> Anybody have knowledge on the Scott tail wheels?
>
> Thoughts on leaf springs, one, two or none?
>
> Thanks
>
> Jack
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> *From:* owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:
> owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Jack
> *Sent:* Saturday, February 12, 2011 6:54 AM
>
> *To:* pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> *Subject:* RE: Pietenpol-List: Tail Wheel Spring Question
>
>
> Further investigation revels it=92s a Scott 3-24B which now is a Scott 20
00.
> Additional files attached. These things are expensive!
>
> Jack
>
> DSM
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> *From:* owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:
> owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Jack
> *Sent:* Saturday, February 12, 2011 6:08 AM
> *To:* pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> *Subject:* Pietenpol-List: Tail Wheel Spring Question
>
>
> Morning all,
>
> I am debating whether to use a leaf spring or the welded up assembly for
my
> tail wheel. The attached pictures show a leaf spring (2). They are =BC
=94 x
> about 14=94, quite stiff. It=92s hard to deflect just one of the springs
.
> Was wondering if I could get by with just one leaf to save some weight,
> understanding I would be screwed if it broke.
>
> Question number 2. That is a Scott tail wheel model 3-24R. I know zip
> about these except I had one on my 140. It appears when one or both of
> the side arms is pulled forward it locks the wheel so as to turn the whee
l
> with the deflection of the arm. The arms don=92t =93spring back=94 to th
e rear
> unlocking the wheel. Should they?
>
> Thanks in advance!
>
> Jack
>
> DSM
>
> <<...>> <<...>>
>
> *
>
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>
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Rick Holland
Castle Rock, Colorado
"A Foolish Consistency is the Hobgoblin of Little Minds"
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Thank you Vic,
Arlene and I will have to make another trip down to Tulare to see your Piet. I
really enjoyed our last visit and seeing how you two did the firewall and the
cowling; very nicely done.
The knee is getting much better; I hate to wish time away but am looking forward
to March and being able to work on my Piet again.
Cheers,
Jim
Do not archive
----- Original Message -----
From: "V Groah" <vgroah@hotmail.com>
Sent: Saturday, February 12, 2011 6:16:51 PM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Ribs.
Jim, you are truly one of the good guys. Hope to see you up and around very soon.
We sure enjoyed your visits to our humble shop here in Tulare. Yes we are
just about to blow it apart to cover. We have a few small projects to finish
and it will go to fabric. We hope to be covering early summer.
We have been wondering how that knee was doing. sounds like you are on the mend
but have a way to go to full recovery. We are looking forward to seeing your
pleasant countenance in our shop again some time soon. Vic
do not archive
> Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2011 21:53:48 +0000
> From: boyerjrb@comcast.net
> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Ribs.
>
>
> The knee is much better now; I can get in and out of the car, go upstairs and
lots of things you normally take for granted but can't work on the Piet yet.
>
> They were giving me cumadin (sp?) and for two weeks before surgery and for another
two weeks from now I can't do anything that might scratch or cut me and
cause me to bleed as my blood won't clot right now. I should be able to work on
it again starting in March.
>
> March will be better as I can now ride the bicycle machine and get the pedals
all the way around and the knee now has about 100 degrees of motion.
>
> Now I want to visit you, Chris and Mike/Vic Groah as it sounds like you are all
close to covering your Piet.
>
> Its nice to be able to get up and walk around now.
> Cheers and keep up the good work,
> Jim B.
>
> Do not archive
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Gboothe5" <gboothe5@comcast.net>
> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> Sent: Friday, February 11, 2011 5:06:10 PM
> Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Ribs
>
>
> Axel threatened to come up and beat the crap out of me if I didn't get on the
stick...well, that's how it sounded!
>
> How's the Bionic Man doing? Hope that knee's ready for work...
>
> Gary
> Do not archive
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim Boyer
> Sent: Friday, February 11, 2011 4:55 PM
> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Ribs
>
>
> Hi Gary,
> I knew it; get immobilized for a while and you discovered how to make ribs again!
Only two to go; thats really good; have you got your spars done now ready
for the ribs?
> Jim B.
>
> Do not archive
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Gboothe5" <gboothe5@comcast.net>
> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> Sent: Friday, February 11, 2011 4:38:09 PM
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Ribs
>
> 2 to go! Dares I say I'll finish this weekend?
>
>
>
> Gary Boothe
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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Subject: | Re: Help please: MA-3SPA Carb |
I thought I got a great deal on a used non-10-4894 MA3-SPA a few years ago
and after talking to WW about it he recommended I sell it and get a 10-4894.
Turned out the one I bought was off an O-300. I would call Russ at D&G about
it *800-446-8160.*
On Fri, Feb 11, 2011 at 11:52 PM, bubbleboy <scott.dawson3@bigpond.com>wrote:
> scott.dawson3@bigpond.com>
>
> Hi all....I have also posted this on a Corvair forum. Thought someone here
> may know something too.
>
> I have had the offer of a MA-3SPA Carb. Part No. 10-4115 Serial No. AV21410
> FAA PA for my Corvair. This Carb has just been removed from a Cessna 150
> with an O-200. The owner has fitted a ROTEC throttle body carb to it.
>
> I know WW says to use the MA-3SPA 10-4894. I believe the 10-4894 is off the
> O-200? Does this mean this carb I have been offered will work the same? Can
> anyone educate me as to what the difference is?
>
> Maybe this one could be rebuilt as a 10-4894?
>
> Thank you one and all for any help as it is a good price and comes with the
> airbox/filter and cables I believe.
>
> Scotty
> Australia
>
> --------
> Scotty
>
> Tamworth, Australia
> Building a Corvair Powered Pietenpol Air Camper
>
> www.scottyspietenpol.com
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=330721#330721
>
>
--
Rick Holland
Castle Rock, Colorado
"A Foolish Consistency is the Hobgoblin of Little Minds"
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Subject: | Gardiner Mason's Piet |
Wow what a great day for me. I got to look over Gardiner ("airlion")'s Pie
t at his hangar in LaGrange=2C Georgia earlier this afternoon. Couple of w
eeks ago I bought a little pickup on eBay=2C out of Atlanta=2C and needed f
or someone to stash it till I could get over there to pick it up. I approa
ched Gardiner and he was yet another example of a Southern gentleman. He p
icked it up for me at the dealership and stored it at his house till I coul
d fly out today=2C Saturday=2C to get it and drive it back to San Antonio.
I'm writing this from Rm. 104 in the Super 8 motel in Mobile=2C Alabama...
continuing back on I-10 to San Antonio on Sunday through Lake Charles=2C L
A where I'll stop for lunch with friends.
I met Gardiner's lovely and sweet wife Susan at their house when I showed u
p to collect my little Ford Ranger and she was so very nice. Pulled out of
the driveway and about an hour and a half later I was in LaGrange at the h
angar=2C looking over Gardiner's airplane.
The main thing that struck me was how wide and "super sized" his cockpits a
re! He widened his cockpit to 26" and it makes a huge difference. Very ni
ce improvement! So many other details of construction that I could comment
on but I don't remember most of them. Memorable is the elevator trim that
he's got=2C with a lever in the cockpit back to a trim tab of about 4"x6"
on the port side elevator=2C operated via Bowden cable. Also memorable are
the hinged door on the passenger cockpit=2C the front cockpit cover that h
e made out of glued strips of thin wood=2C the retractable steps for rear c
ockpit entry=2C gap seals on tail surfaces=2C and experimental streamlining
on his wing strut brace cables and just about everything else. His airpla
ne is a flying testbed for many different ideas=2C and my understanding is
that vortex generators are next. His is not a "set it and forget it" airpl
ane =3Bo)
The man is understated=2C hospitable=2C soft-spoken=2C excited about flying
his Piet=2C generous=2C outgoing=2C and so typical of Pietenpolers in gene
ral. Thanks=2C Airlion=2C for your hospitality and generosity.
Oscar "OZ" Zuniga
Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
San Antonio=2C TX
website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
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Subject: | Re: Tail Wheel Spring Question |
Tail Wheel Spring QuestionA friend of mine with an Aeronca broke one of
the three
leaves on his and it cost him a prop so it seems to me
you would be just as screwed anyway.
Good thing it swerved left into the enbankment. The other
way would have put him and his passenger on a 100'
rollercoaster ride!
Clif
Was wondering if I could get by with just one leaf to save some
weight, understanding I would be screwed if it broke.
Jack
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Subject: | Re: hangar life isn't so bad....... |
Kevin, Afraid Ed will have to wait till Brodhead and you guys can work out
the hug. I sent him your email.;) We hope to fly the Piet's this coming
week, it has been too cold or too wet for a couple of months.
Skip
> [Original Message]
> From: kevinpurtee <kevin.purtee@us.army.mil>
> To: <pietenpol-list@matronics.com>
> Date: 2/12/2011 1:50:16 AM
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: hangar life isn't so bad.......
>
<kevin.purtee@us.army.mil>
>
> For Skip - Give Ed a big hug for me! I know he misses me.
>
> Kevin
>
> do not archive
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> Kevin "Axel" Purtee
> NX899KP
> Austin/Georgetown, TX
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Subject: | hangar life isn't so bad....... |
Gary, You are right, the weather here is NOT great.
Skip
----- Original Message -----
From: Gboothe5
Sent: 2/11/2011 8:52:54 PM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: hangar life isn't so bad.......
Looks like beautiful country! We have great weather, here, but those kinds of places
just dont exist.
Gary
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Subject: | Re: Help please: MA-3SPA Carb |
Thank you guys. I emailed Russ at D & G and he confirmed it can be converted so
I will buy it! One more
piece to the Corvair puzzle!
Thanks guys!
Scotty
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Scotty
Tamworth, Australia
Building a Corvair Powered Pietenpol Air Camper
www.scottyspietenpol.com
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Subject: | Re: Pilot Height |
Thanks for reminding me of another good point Brad. I have read that the rudder
pedals can be moved as far as 3" forward without any issues. I will certainly
be checking that out for myself.
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Mark Chouinard
Wings, Center Section and Empannage framed up - Working on Fuselage
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