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     1. 04:12 AM - Re: Piet Progress (helspersew@aol.com)
     2. 04:55 AM - Re: Gardiner Mason's Piet (Jerry Dotson)
     3. 05:51 AM - Pietenpol Progress II (Jerry Dotson)
     4. 07:07 AM - Tail Wheel Weight FYI (Jack)
     5. 07:35 AM - Re: Tail Wheel Weight FYI (Jack Phillips)
     6. 07:36 AM - Re: Tail Wheel Weight FYI (Jack Phillips)
     7. 08:25 AM - Re: Pilot Height (Don Emch)
     8. 08:27 AM - Re: hangar life isn't so bad....... (SENTUCHOWS@aol.com)
     9. 09:31 AM - Re: Pilot Height (kevinpurtee)
    10. 09:34 AM - Re: Pietenpol Progress II (kevinpurtee)
    11. 11:08 AM - Richard's Piet on wire wheels for first time in his shop in Indiana (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC AEROSPACE CORP])
    12. 11:40 AM - Re: Ribs (Gboothe5)
    13. 11:49 AM - Re: Ribs (Gboothe5)
    14. 12:15 PM - Re: Pilot Height (K5YAC)
    15. 12:15 PM - B&B turnbuckles (Douwe Blumberg)
    16. 12:41 PM - Re: Ribs (Jim Boyer)
    17. 12:42 PM - Re: Ribs (K5YAC)
    18. 12:47 PM - Progress Pics (Dangerous Dave)
    19. 01:18 PM - Re: B&B turnbuckles (Jerry Dotson)
    20. 01:21 PM - Gross weight of pietenpol (pilotjkl)
    21. 01:46 PM - New little Pietenpoler (JohnC)
    22. 02:08 PM - Re: Ribs (Jack Phillips)
    23. 02:13 PM - Re: Gross weight of pietenpol (Jack Phillips)
    24. 02:30 PM - Re: Re: Ribs (Gary Boothe)
    25. 02:35 PM - Re: Ribs (Gary Boothe)
    26. 02:46 PM - Re: Ribs (Gary Boothe)
    27. 03:10 PM - Re: Gross weight of pietenpol (pilotjkl)
    28. 04:54 PM - Re: Ribs (Jim Markle)
    29. 05:02 PM - Re: Ribs (Bill Church)
    30. 05:04 PM - Re: Ribs (Jim Boyer)
    31. 05:26 PM - Re: Pietenpol Progress II (airlion)
    32. 05:48 PM - Re: Piet Progress (Michael Perez)
    33. 05:49 PM - Re: Pietenpol Progress II (Dangerous Dave)
    34. 06:37 PM - Re: Re: leading edge plywood (Mike Tunnicliffe)
    35. 07:23 PM - Re: Ribs (kevinpurtee)
    36. 07:25 PM - Re: New little Pietenpoler (kevinpurtee)
    37. 07:26 PM - For Jim Boyer (kevinpurtee)
    38. 07:44 PM - Re: Pietenpol Progress II (Jerry Dotson)
    39. 08:04 PM - Re: Re: Pilot Height (Matthew VanDervort)
    40. 08:42 PM - Re: Richard's Piet on wire wheels for first time in his shop in Indiana (Richard Schreiber)
    41. 09:09 PM - Re: Re: Plans for a good fuse workbench (Mark Roberts)
    42. 09:15 PM - Re: Re: Plans for a good fuse workbench (Mark Roberts)
    43. 09:26 PM - Posting photos (Billy McCaskill)
    44. 11:41 PM - Re: B&B turnbuckles (bubbleboy)
 
 
 
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| Subject:  | Re: Piet Progress | 
      
      
      Rick,
      
      Looks great Rick!! It's always a great feeling of accomplishment to finally
       get some major components assembled. There seems to be a number of guys th
      at are making major progress lately. I predict larger numbers of Piets at B
      rodhead in the coming years.
      
      Dan Helsper
      Poplar Grove, IL. 
      
      
      -----Original Message-----
      From: Richard Schreiber <lmforge@earthlink.net>
      Sent: Sat, Feb 12, 2011 2:42 pm
      Subject: Pietenpol-List: Piet Progress
      
      
      I thought I would post an update photo of my progress. Here is a picture I 
      took this morning of my Pietenpol with its wheels on for the first time. Fi
      nished up the axle welding yesterday. When I bolted on the brakes and put t
      he wheels on everything fit perfect!. The cowling is finished from the fire
      wall back. Now I really have no excuse to finish up my corvair engine.
      
      By the way, I used Buchanan spokes, but did not have them laced up by Bucha
      nans. My next door neighbor restores motorcycles and he and I did it oursel
      ves. It was any easy process and fun to do.
      
      As soon as the weather breaks this spring, I'll be moving the Piet out to t
      he hanger and putting on the wings.
      
      
      Rick Schreiber
      Valparaiso IN
      
      
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| Subject:  | Re: Gardiner Mason's Piet | 
      
      
      Oscar I sure wish I had known you were coming through. I live about an hour away
      from the I-65-US 41 intersection. I could have driven up there and bought lunch
      or at least a cup of coffee. Pietenpol owners are a rare breed around here.
      I saw Gardiner's Piet in August 2009 when I drove up to Atlanta to pick up the
      spruce, plywood and 4130 for my Piet. Does the photo look like the trim tab
      you mention?
      
      do not archive
      
      --------
      Jerry Dotson
      59 Daniel Johnson Rd
      Baker, FL 32531
      
      Started building  NX510JD  July, 2009
      wing, tailfeathers done, fuselage rolling
      using Lycoming O-235
      
      
      Read this topic online here:
      
      http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=330865#330865
      
      
      Attachments: 
      
      http://forums.matronics.com//files/a14_693.jpg
      
      
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| Subject:  | Pietenpol Progress II | 
      
      
      On 1/22/2011 I enlisted friends and loved ones to help me hang the  1 piece wing
      for the first time. I will be so proud to hang it with covering and paint on it.
      If I had it to do again I would build the 3 piece. Covering will be a challenge
      by myself.
       It looks like there will be several Piets finished in a year or so. I hope to
      fly in 2011.
      
      --------
      Jerry Dotson
      59 Daniel Johnson Rd
      Baker, FL 32531
      
      Started building  NX510JD  July, 2009
      wing, tailfeathers done, fuselage rolling
      using Lycoming O-235
      
      
      Read this topic online here:
      
      http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=330868#330868
      
      
      Attachments: 
      
      http://forums.matronics.com//files/a10_173.jpg
      
      
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| Subject:  | Tail Wheel Weight FYI | 
      
      Weighed my Scott tail wheel at 4.9 pounds.  The Matco is 4.75 pounds per
      their site.  Both 6" solid rubber.  My leaf springs cam in at 2.5 pounds.
      Jack
      DSM
      
      
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| Subject:  | Tail Wheel Weight FYI | 
      
      Try the AS&S Homebuilt Special tailwheel.  I think it weighs around 3 lbs
      (4" diameter).  And the Pietenpol A-Arm Coil Spring configuration is about a
      pound or two lighter than a leaf spring.  I cut 2 lbs off my tailwheel
      weight by using that design with the 4" tailwheel instead of a 6".
      
      
      Jack Phillips
      
      NX899JP  "Icarus Plummet"
      
      Raleigh, NC
      
      
        _____  
      
      From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
      [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jack
      Sent: Sunday, February 13, 2011 10:04 AM
      Subject: Pietenpol-List: Tail Wheel Weight FYI
      
      
      Weighed my Scott tail wheel at 4.9 pounds.  The Matco is 4.75 pounds per
      their site.  Both 6" solid rubber.  My leaf springs cam in at 2.5 pounds.
      
      Jack
      
      DSM
      
      
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| Subject:  | Tail Wheel Weight FYI | 
      
      Try the AS&S Homebuilt Special tailwheel.  I think it weighs around 3 lbs
      (4" diameter).  And the Pietenpol A-Arm Coil Spring configuration is about a
      pound or two lighter than a leaf spring.  I cut 2 lbs off my tailwheel
      weight by using that design with the 4" tailwheel instead of a 6".
      
      
      Jack Phillips
      
      NX899JP  "Icarus Plummet"
      
      Raleigh, NC
      
      
        _____  
      
      From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
      [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jack
      Sent: Sunday, February 13, 2011 10:04 AM
      Subject: Pietenpol-List: Tail Wheel Weight FYI
      
      
      Weighed my Scott tail wheel at 4.9 pounds.  The Matco is 4.75 pounds per
      their site.  Both 6" solid rubber.  My leaf springs cam in at 2.5 pounds.
      
      Jack
      
      DSM
      
      
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| Subject:  | Re: Pilot Height | 
      
      
      Hey Mark...
      You really should have gotten yourself in mine.  It's all in the technique.  I'm
      6'3" long.  I built it to the plans and I fit great.  However, I've flown Allen
      Rudolph's old Piet and had a little trouble.  It has the shorter fuselage
      and my shins got a little marked up.  As long as you are building the long fuselage
      you'll be fine.  As far as interference with the rudder, hmm...I think that
      radiator up front on the Ford ships would be a problem long before a taller
      head would be.  Never heard of a problem there, so... I sure wouldn't be worried
      about it.  If you have any doubts you just need to meet Big Jim Vandervort!
      He would make you feel at ease!
      
      Don Emch
      NX899DE
      
      
      Read this topic online here:
      
      http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=330888#330888
      
      
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| Subject:  | Re: hangar life isn't so bad....... | 
      
      Hey Skip, We met at Hendersonville a couple summers ago. I'm Bob's hangar  
      mate. How's the Piet coming along?
      
          Dave
      
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| Subject:  | Re: Pilot Height | 
      
      
      Mark - I'll save you all this worry.  I'll come up and take that inappropriately
      sized project off your hands, and I'll only charge you for the transportation.....
      
      do not archive
      
      --------
      Kevin "Axel" Purtee
      NX899KP
      Austin/Georgetown, TX
      
      
      Read this topic online here:
      
      http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=330898#330898
      
      
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| Subject:  | Re: Pietenpol Progress II | 
      
      
      Very nice!  
      
      My only complaint about building the 1 piece wing was that, during covering, I
      always had to find someone to help me flip it over, and there's not always someone
      handy.  It's a big piece of plane.
      
      --------
      Kevin "Axel" Purtee
      NX899KP
      Austin/Georgetown, TX
      
      
      Read this topic online here:
      
      http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=330899#330899
      
      
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| Subject:  | Richard's Piet on wire wheels for first time in his shop | 
      in Indiana
      
      
      
      Outstanding to see you're great winter progress and the photo update of your Pietenpol
      Rick !   Your wire wheels look great, your
      landing gear legs nice and streamlined and nose fuel tank all strapped down in
      place.   Center section done and tailfeathers. 
      
      Sure looks inspiring to those of us who are flying, those who are still building,
      and even to those who have JUST started building.  
      You've stuck in out year after year and keep plugging away and the fruits of your
      labor are really, really starting to show nicely. 
      
      One you move your project to the hangar this spring expect lots and lots of curious
      visitors and be ready to answer a myriad of 
      questions--but you'll enjoy it.   Just tell them before you will answer any question
      they must bring a donation to help keep your
      hangar fridge stocked with refreshments:) 
      
      Mike C.
      
      
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      Oh, Ye of little faith! Count 'em..28 + 2 in the center section = 30!! Now,
      can PLEASE get back to the Good Stuff?
      
      
      Gary Boothe
      
      Cool, Ca
      
      Do not archive
      
      
      From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
      [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ryan Mueller
      Sent: Friday, February 11, 2011 5:22 PM
      Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Ribs
      
      
      I call BS.....make them, prove it!  :)
      
      
      do not archive
      
      On Fri, Feb 11, 2011 at 6:38 PM, Gboothe5 <gboothe5@comcast.net> wrote:
      
      2 to go! Dares I say I'll finish this weekend?
      
      
      Gary Boothe
      
      
      " target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List
      tp://forums.matronics.com
      _blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution
      
      
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      .and here's the proof!
      
      
      Oh, Ye of little faith! Count 'em..28 + 2 in the center section = 30!! Now,
      can PLEASE get back to the Good Stuff?
      
      
      Gary Boothe
      
      Cool, Ca
      
      Do not archive
      
      
      From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
      [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ryan Mueller
      Sent: Friday, February 11, 2011 5:22 PM
      Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Ribs
      
      
      I call BS.....make them, prove it!  :)
      
      
      do not archive
      
      On Fri, Feb 11, 2011 at 6:38 PM, Gboothe5 <gboothe5@comcast.net> wrote:
      
      2 to go! Dares I say I'll finish this weekend?
      
      
      Gary Boothe
      
      
      " target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List
      tp://forums.matronics.com
      _blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution
      
      
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| Subject:  | Re: Pilot Height | 
      
      
      Don... thanks for the reassurance.  Sometimes I get caught up in all the controversy.
      I looked back and found that I've already been given answers to some of
      these questions, that's why I chose to make the few minor adjustments that I
      did (leaning the seat back a bit, raising the wing 2", planning to move the rudder
      bar forward a little and cut those shin holes out a bit).  Nothing drastic,
      but sometimes I forget how I arrived at those decisions... all of it was recommended
      by those of you that have DONE IT!  I need to quit getting worried
      about the things I've already been offered a solution to.  And you are right...
      that Ford radiator is much taller than I am. 
      
      Kevin... thanks for the offer buddy.  With friends like you, well... no, you can't
      have it.
      
      --------
      Mark Chouinard
      Wings, Center Section and Empannage framed up - Working on Fuselage
      
      
      Read this topic online here:
      
      http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=330911#330911
      
      
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      Someone just posted it, but I can't find it, can someone give me the contact
      info for B&B where we get the turnbuckles so cheap??
      
      
      Thanks
      
      
      Douwe
      
      
      Do not archive.
      
      
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      Gary the wing ribs look good in a stack like that. Its a good feeling to have them
      done.
      Cheers,
      Jim B.
      
      
      ----- Original Message -----
      From: "Gboothe5" <gboothe5@comcast.net>
      Sent: Sunday, February 13, 2011 11:46:39 AM
      Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Ribs
      
      .and here's the proof!
      
      
      Oh, Ye of little faith! Count 'em..28 + 2 in the center section = 30!! Now,
      can PLEASE get back to the Good Stuff?
      
      
      Gary Boothe
      
      Cool, Ca
      
      Do not archive
      
      
      From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
      [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ryan Mueller
      Sent: Friday, February 11, 2011 5:22 PM
      Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Ribs
      
      
      I call BS.....make them, prove it!  :)
      
      
      do not archive
      
      On Fri, Feb 11, 2011 at 6:38 PM, Gboothe5 <gboothe5@comcast.net> wrote:
      
      2 to go! Dares I say I'll finish this weekend?
      
      
      Gary Boothe
      
      
      " target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List
      tp://forums.matronics.com
      _blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution
      
      
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      gboothe5(at)comcast.net wrote:
      > and heres the proof!  
      > 
      > 
      
      
      That is definitely Photoshopped.   [Laughing]
      
      --------
      Mark Chouinard
      Wings, Center Section and Empannage framed up - Working on Fuselage
      
      
      Read this topic online here:
      
      http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=330915#330915
      
      
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      Howdy.getting closer-paint next weekend,dave
      
      --------
      Covering Piet
      
      
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| Subject:  | Re: B&B turnbuckles | 
      
      
      B & B Aircraft Supplies. PO Box 37, Gardner, Kansas 66030, Phone (913) 
      884-5930. I bought all my turnbuckles for $7.50 each.-----turnbuckles
      
      This I copied a few days back...saved for hard times!
      
      --------
      Jerry Dotson
      59 Daniel Johnson Rd
      Baker, FL 32531
      
      Started building  NX510JD  July, 2009
      wing, tailfeathers done, fuselage rolling
      using Lycoming O-235
      
      
      Read this topic online here:
      
      http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=330927#330927
      
      
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| Subject:  | Gross weight of pietenpol | 
      
      
      Wondering what is the Pietenpol gross weight? I read about 1050 1150 1180 and 1200
      lbs 
      Thanks 
      John
      
      
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| Subject:  | New little Pietenpoler | 
      
      
      Hey Everyone,
      
      I just became a Grandpa a few hours ago, so it looks like I will be driving "Granny"
      out to Missouri this evening. We will be in Mount Vernon for about a week,
      and if there are any Pietenpols around those parts, maybe I could sneek off
      for a few hours. I will attempt to add a photo, hope it works.
      
      --------
      I just hope when it's my turn to reach up and touch the face of God, I don't poke
      him in the eye on accident.
      
      
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      I counted them and only got 26.  You've still got 2 to go, Gary.
      
      
      "MaryBeth, you've been sitting with a Four Flusher"
      
      
      Jack Phillips
      
      NX899JP  "Icarus Plummet"
      
      Raleigh, NC
      
      
        _____  
      
      From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
      [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gboothe5
      Sent: Sunday, February 13, 2011 2:47 PM
      Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Ribs
      
      
      .and here's the proof!
      
      
      Oh, Ye of little faith! Count 'em..28 + 2 in the center section = 30!! Now,
      can PLEASE get back to the Good Stuff?
      
      
      Gary Boothe
      
      Cool, Ca
      
      Do not archive
      
      
      From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
      [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ryan Mueller
      Sent: Friday, February 11, 2011 5:22 PM
      Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Ribs
      
      
      I call BS.....make them, prove it!  :)
      
      
      do not archive
      
      On Fri, Feb 11, 2011 at 6:38 PM, Gboothe5 <gboothe5@comcast.net> wrote:
      
      2 to go! Dares I say I'll finish this weekend?
      
      
      Gary Boothe
      
      
      " target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List
      tp://forums.matronics.com
      _blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution
      
      
      http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List
      
      http://forums.matronics.com
      
      http://www.matronics.com/contribution
      
      
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| Subject:  | Gross weight of pietenpol | 
      
      
      It's Experimental, and you are the manufacturer.  The Gross Weight on the
      dataplate is whatever you say it is.
      
      I think the original was 1090 or something like that.  If you go much above
      that it wouldn't hurt to have an engineer look at what you've built.
      Impossible to say without seeing what changes have been made to the design.
      
      Jack Phillips
      NX899JP  "Icarus Plummet"
      Raleigh, NC
      
      -----Original Message-----
      From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
      [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of pilotjkl
      Sent: Sunday, February 13, 2011 4:18 PM
      Subject: Pietenpol-List: Gross weight of pietenpol
      
      <pilot@fehrsmetalbuilding.com>
      
      Wondering what is the Pietenpol gross weight? I read about 1050 1150 1180
      and 1200 lbs 
      Thanks 
      John
      
      
      Read this topic online here:
      
      http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=330928#330928
      
      
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      Ha! Yeah...just copy and paste!
      
      Ribs all sanded...now to cut to length. I liked Jack's cutoff jig.
      
      Gary Boothe 
      Cool, Ca. 
      Pietenpol 
      WW Corvair Conversion, Running! 
      Tail done, Fuselage on gear 
      
      -----Original Message-----
      From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of K5YAC
      Sent: Sunday, February 13, 2011 12:40 PM
      Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Ribs
      
      
      
      gboothe5(at)comcast.net wrote:
      > and heres the proof!  
      > 
      > 
      
      
      That is definitely Photoshopped.   [Laughing]
      
      --------
      Mark Chouinard
      Wings, Center Section and Empannage framed up - Working on Fuselage
      
      
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      http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=330915#330915
      
      
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      Jim, 
      
      You can't imagine the RELIEF! Just looked back in the log...the first rib
      was done on 3/21/08!! One month less than 3 years ago! 
      
      Gary Boothe 
      Cool, Ca. 
      Pietenpol 
      WW Corvair Conversion, Running! 
      Tail done, Fuselage on gear, RIBS DONE!
      
      -----Original Message-----
      From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
      [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim Boyer
      Sent: Sunday, February 13, 2011 12:24 PM
      Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Ribs
      
      
      Gary the wing ribs look good in a stack like that. Its a good feeling to
      have them done.
      Cheers,
      Jim B.
      
      
      ----- Original Message -----
      From: "Gboothe5" <gboothe5@comcast.net>
      Sent: Sunday, February 13, 2011 11:46:39 AM
      Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Ribs
      
      .and here's the proof!
      
      
      Oh, Ye of little faith! Count 'em..28 + 2 in the center section = 30!! Now,
      can PLEASE get back to the Good Stuff?
      
      
      Gary Boothe
      
      Cool, Ca
      
      Do not archive
      
      
      From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
      [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ryan Mueller
      Sent: Friday, February 11, 2011 5:22 PM
      Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Ribs
      
      
      I call BS.....make them, prove it!  :)
      
      
      do not archive
      
      On Fri, Feb 11, 2011 at 6:38 PM, Gboothe5 <gboothe5@comcast.net> wrote:
      
      2 to go! Dares I say I'll finish this weekend?
      
      
      Gary Boothe
      
      
      " target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List
      tp://forums.matronics.com
      _blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution
      
      
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      Jack,
      
      
      Ever stick a pin in a balloon? Hand to God - all the ribs are numbered.but
      17 & 18 are missing! Makes me curious about those leftover bearings I had
      from the engine.'course, I did have a visit from Markle...yeah, that's it.it
      must have been him!
      
      
      Gary
      
        _____  
      
      From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
      [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jack
      Phillips
      Sent: Sunday, February 13, 2011 2:06 PM
      Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Ribs
      
      
      I counted them and only got 26.  You've still got 2 to go, Gary.
      
      
      "MaryBeth, you've been sitting with a Four Flusher"
      
      
      Jack Phillips
      
      NX899JP  "Icarus Plummet"
      
      Raleigh, NC
      
      
        _____  
      
      From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
      [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gboothe5
      Sent: Sunday, February 13, 2011 2:47 PM
      Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Ribs
      
      
      .and here's the proof!
      
      
      Oh, Ye of little faith! Count 'em..28 + 2 in the center section = 30!! Now,
      can PLEASE get back to the Good Stuff?
      
      
      Gary Boothe
      
      Cool, Ca
      
      Do not archive
      
      
      From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
      [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ryan Mueller
      Sent: Friday, February 11, 2011 5:22 PM
      Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Ribs
      
      
      I call BS.....make them, prove it!  :)
      
      
      do not archive
      
      On Fri, Feb 11, 2011 at 6:38 PM, Gboothe5 <gboothe5@comcast.net> wrote:
      
      2 to go! Dares I say I'll finish this weekend?
      
      
      Gary Boothe
      
      
      " target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List
      tp://forums.matronics.com
      _blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution
      
      
      http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List
      
      http://forums.matronics.com
      
      http://www.matronics.com/contribution
      
      
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| Subject:  | Re: Gross weight of pietenpol | 
      
      
      Thanks for the reply, I thought it was established by the designer through stress
      testing 
      John
      
      
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      http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=330943#330943
      
      
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      Well I SURE wouldn't take any of your bearings!!!!...that topic is WAAAAY too hot
      around here!!!
      
      But it was so kind of you NOT blaming me for YOU taking sooooooo long to get those
      darn ribs finished (wow, I'm asking for it aren't I?!?!)  :-)
      
      Ok, seriously, I do think it's pretty neat to hear about your progress!
      
      Jim
      
      
      -----Original Message-----
      
      From: Gary Boothe 
      
      Sent: Feb 13, 2011 4:42 PM
      
      
      Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Rib
      
      Jack,
      Ever stick a pin in a balloon? Hand to God
       all the ribs are numberedbut 17 & 18 are missing! Makes me
      curious about those leftover bearings I had from the enginecourse,
      I did have a visit from Markle..yeah, thats itit must have
      been him!
      
      Gary
      
      
      From:
      owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com]
      On Behalf Of Jack Phillips
      
      Sent: Sunday, February 13, 2011
      2:06 PM
      
      
      Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Ribs
      
      
      I counted them and only got 26. 
      Youve still got 2 to go, Gary.
      
      
      MaryBeth, youve been sitting
      with a Four Flusher
      
      
      Jack
       Phillips
      
      NX899JP  Icarus Plummet
      
      Raleigh, NC
      
      
      From:
      owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com]
      On Behalf Of Gboothe5
      
      Sent: Sunday, February 13, 2011
      2:47 PM
      
      
      Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Ribs
      
      
      and
      heres the proof!
      
      
      Oh, Ye of little
      faith! Count em.28 + 2 in the center section = 30!! Now, can
      PLEASE get back to the Good Stuff?
      
      
      Gary
       Boothe
      
      Cool, Ca
      
      Do not archive
      
      
      From:
      owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
      [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ryan Mueller
      
      Sent: Friday, February 11, 2011
      5:22 PM
      
      
      Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Ribs
      
      
      I call BS.....make them, prove it!  :)
      
      
      do not archive
      
      
      On Fri, Feb 11, 2011 at 6:38 PM, Gboothe5 <gboothe5@comcast.net> wrote:
      
      
      2 to go! Dares I
      say Ill finish this weekend?
      
      
      Gary
       Boothe
      
      
        " target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-Listtp://forums.matronics.com_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution 
      
      
         http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List http://forums.matronics.com http://www.matronics.com/contribution    http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-Listhttp://forums.matronics.comhttp://www.matronics.com/contribution 
      
      
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      Hmmm... I count 52...
      But the pliers are missing now.
      
      Bill C
      
      do not archive
      
      
      Read this topic online here:
      
      http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=330955#330955
      
      
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      Gary you took as long to do the wing ribs as I did to do the steel parts. I don't
      have the problem with steel  now but sure hated them at first.
      
      Congratulations on getting the ribs done.
      Jim B.
      
      Do not archive
      
      ----- Original Message -----
      From: "Gary Boothe" <gboothe5@comcast.net>
      Sent: Sunday, February 13, 2011 2:32:04 PM
      Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Ribs
      
      
      Jim, 
      
      You can't imagine the RELIEF! Just looked back in the log...the first rib
      was done on 3/21/08!! One month less than 3 years ago! 
      
      Gary Boothe 
      Cool, Ca. 
      Pietenpol 
      WW Corvair Conversion, Running! 
      Tail done, Fuselage on gear, RIBS DONE!
      
      -----Original Message-----
      From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
      [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim Boyer
      Sent: Sunday, February 13, 2011 12:24 PM
      Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Ribs
      
      
      Gary the wing ribs look good in a stack like that. Its a good feeling to
      have them done.
      Cheers,
      Jim B.
      
      
      ----- Original Message -----
      From: "Gboothe5" <gboothe5@comcast.net>
      Sent: Sunday, February 13, 2011 11:46:39 AM
      Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Ribs
      
      .and here's the proof!
      
      
      Oh, Ye of little faith! Count 'em..28 + 2 in the center section = 30!! Now,
      can PLEASE get back to the Good Stuff?
      
      
      Gary Boothe
      
      Cool, Ca
      
      Do not archive
      
      
      From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
      [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ryan Mueller
      Sent: Friday, February 11, 2011 5:22 PM
      Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Ribs
      
      
      I call BS.....make them, prove it!  :)
      
      
      do not archive
      
      On Fri, Feb 11, 2011 at 6:38 PM, Gboothe5 <gboothe5@comcast.net> wrote:
      
      2 to go! Dares I say I'll finish this weekend?
      
      
      Gary Boothe
      
      
      " target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List
      tp://forums.matronics.com
      _blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution
      
      
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| Subject:  | Re: Pietenpol Progress II | 
      
      
      Jerry, It is good to see your progress. I plan to make  Evergreen and 
      Thomasville this summer and hope to see your there. Will you be going to 
      Brodhead? You Should. Gardiner
      
      
      ----- Original Message ----
      From: Jerry Dotson <jdotson@centurylink.net>
      Sent: Sun, February 13, 2011 8:48:36 AM
      Subject: Pietenpol-List: Pietenpol Progress II
      
      
      On 1/22/2011 I enlisted friends and loved ones to help me hang the  1 piece wing
      for the first time. I will be so proud to hang it with covering and paint on it.
      
      If I had it to do again I would build the 3 piece. Covering will be a challenge
      
      by myself.
      It looks like there will be several Piets finished in a year or so. I hope to 
      fly in 2011.
      
      --------
      Jerry Dotson
      59 Daniel Johnson Rd
      Baker, FL 32531
      
      Started building  NX510JD  July, 2009
      wing, tailfeathers done, fuselage rolling
      using Lycoming O-235
      
      
      Read this topic online here:
      
      http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=330868#330868
      
      
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| Subject:  | Re: Piet Progress | 
      
      
      Fantastic! I am always surprised at how often about the time I get to a certain
      point in my build, someone else is at the same place in their build! Just today,
      (Sunday) I tied to axle on the legs, slid the wheels on and set the fuse down
      on all three just to see how it looked. I still need to do all the axle welding,
      brake install, etc.
      
      Your plane looks great, keep us posted on your next milestone.
      
      Michael Perez
      Karetaker Aero
      www.karetakeraero.com
      
      
      --- On Sat, 2/12/11, Richard Schreiber <lmforge@earthlink.net> wrote:
      
      > From: Richard Schreiber <lmforge@earthlink.net>
      > Subject: Pietenpol-List: Piet Progress
      > To: "pietenpol-list" <pietenpol-list@matronics.com>
      > Date: Saturday, February 12, 2011, 3:39 PM
      > 
      >  
      >  
      >  
      > 
      > 
      > I thought I would post an update photo of my progress.
      > Here is a picture I took this morning of my Pietenpol with
      > its wheels on for the first time. Finished up the axle
      > welding yesterday. When I bolted on the brakes and put the
      > wheels on everything fit perfect!. The cowling is finished
      > from the firewall back. Now I really have no excuse to
      > finish up my corvair engine.
      > 
      > By the way, I used Buchanan spokes, but did not have
      > them laced up by Buchanans. My next door neighbor restores
      > motorcycles and he and I did it ourselves. It was any easy
      > process and fun to do.
      > 
      > As soon as the weather breaks this spring, I'll be
      > moving the Piet out to the hanger and putting on the
      > wings.
      > 
      > 
      > Rick Schreiber
      > Valparaiso IN
      > 
      
      
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| Subject:  | Re: Pietenpol Progress II | 
      
      
      Jerry its looks great!How about building a stand for holding and turning it make
      everything better.I used mine for the wings and.fuselage.Keep up the good work_.dave.
      
      --------
      Covering Piet
      
      
      Read this topic online here:
      
      http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=330961#330961
      
      
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| Subject:  | Re: leading edge plywood | 
      
      
      I use used plastic strapping from parcels, the heavier stuff can be pulled 
      up and it lifts the staples out with it. The glue doesn't stick to it 
      either.
      Mike T.
      ----- Original Message ----- 
      From: "DOMIT" <rx7_ragtop@yahoo.com>
      Sent: Saturday, February 12, 2011 7:42 AM
      Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: leading edge plywood
      
      
      >
      > Just a thought on staples...  Since epoxy won't stick to duct tape (the 
      > outside of it) how about folding a strip of duct tape (sticky side 
      > together) and stapling through it?  When the glue is cured it would make 
      > pulling the staples easier...
      >
      > --------
      > Brad "DOMIT" Smith
      >
      > First rule of ground school:  This is the ground... don't hit it going 
      > fast.
      >
      >
      > Read this topic online here:
      >
      > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=330615#330615
      >
      >
      > 
      
      
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      Just in the nick of time, buddy!
      
      Congrats, Gary:).
      
      do not archive
      
      --------
      Kevin "Axel" Purtee
      NX899KP
      Austin/Georgetown, TX
      
      
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      http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=330975#330975
      
      
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| Subject:  | Re: New little Pietenpoler | 
      
      
      He's beautiful!
      
      Congratulations, Grandfather.
      
      Do not archive
      
      --------
      Kevin "Axel" Purtee
      NX899KP
      Austin/Georgetown, TX
      
      
      Read this topic online here:
      
      http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=330976#330976
      
      
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      Jim - Sorry, meant the Cactus fly-in in March.  Will you all make that?  I'm still
      here:(.
      
      Kevin
      
      do not archive
      
      --------
      Kevin "Axel" Purtee
      NX899KP
      Austin/Georgetown, TX
      
      
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| Subject:  | Re: Pietenpol Progress II | 
      
      
      Gardiner I will be at Evergreen and hope to make Thomasville. I may have to drive
      because I don't know when my Piet is going to be ready and Phase 1 flown off.
      
      Thanks Dave for the atta boy. The weather is turning my way now I will make more
      progress.
      
      --------
      Jerry Dotson
      59 Daniel Johnson Rd
      Baker, FL 32531
      
      Started building  NX510JD  July, 2009
      wing, tailfeathers done, fuselage rolling
      using Lycoming O-235
      
      
      Read this topic online here:
      
      http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=330982#330982
      
      
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| Subject:  | Re: Pilot Height | 
      
      
      Yep, grandpa "big Jim Vandervort is 6' 6" and he flew all the time, no wing flap
      either, I'll check the plans and measure the cabanes tomorrow to see if they
      are any longer then the plans 
      
      Sent from my iPhone
      
      On Feb 13, 2011, at 11:22 AM, "Don Emch" <EmchAir@aol.com> wrote:
      
      > 
      > Hey Mark...
      > You really should have gotten yourself in mine.  It's all in the technique. 
      I'm 6'3" long.  I built it to the plans and I fit great.  However, I've flown
      Allen Rudolph's old Piet and had a little trouble.  It has the shorter fuselage
      and my shins got a little marked up.  As long as you are building the long fuselage
      you'll be fine.  As far as interference with the rudder, hmm...I think
      that radiator up front on the Ford ships would be a problem long before a taller
      head would be.  Never heard of a problem there, so... I sure wouldn't be worried
      about it.  If you have any doubts you just need to meet Big Jim Vandervort!
      He would make you feel at ease!
      > 
      > Don Emch
      > NX899DE
      > 
      > 
      > 
      > 
      > Read this topic online here:
      > 
      > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=330888#330888
      > 
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| Subject:  | Richard's Piet on wire wheels for first time in his | 
      shop in Indiana
      
      
      Thanks Mike, Greg, Kevin, Vic, Dan and any one else I may have missed !!
      
      All of you have been an on going help and inspiration for this project. I
      started by building the ribs first in May of 2003. I tried to work as often
      as I could, but work and travel  made it a difficult task at times. As I
      continued on the path, going to Brodhead every year and seeing other
      builders progress on the web was a constant spirit lifter. I always had
      goals that I was trying to get done, like.....finish the ribs, do the
      wings, make the gear legs. It always seemed so far in the future, but if
      you just have faith and plug away, it finally gets done.
      
      As I have mentioned in the past, I am fortunate in that there is a core
      group at my home airport (VPZ - Porter Co. Indiana) that are very
      supportive. There are AP's, IA's, aircraft builders, rebuilders, Pietenpol
      builders, gear heads, motorcycle nuts and general all around good people.
      Most of them are keeping track of my progress. Since I am now semi-retired
      I am out at the airport most days using machinery to get parts made or
      welding done. 
      
      Rick Schreiber
      
      
      > [Original Message]
      > From: Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC AEROSPACE CORP]
      <michael.d.cuy@nasa.gov>
      > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com <pietenpol-list@matronics.com>
      > Date: 2/13/2011 1:10:07 PM
      > Subject: Pietenpol-List: Richard's Piet on wire wheels for first time in
      his shop in Indiana
      >
      AEROSPACE CORP]" <michael.d.cuy@nasa.gov>
      >
      >
      > Outstanding to see you're great winter progress and the photo update of
      your Pietenpol Rick !   Your wire wheels look great, your
      > landing gear legs nice and streamlined and nose fuel tank all strapped
      down in place.   Center section done and tailfeathers. 
      >
      > Sure looks inspiring to those of us who are flying, those who are still
      building, and even to those who have JUST started building.  
      > You've stuck in out year after year and keep plugging away and the fruits
      of your labor are really, really starting to show nicely. 
      >
      > One you move your project to the hangar this spring expect lots and lots
      of curious visitors and be ready to answer a myriad of 
      > questions--but you'll enjoy it.   Just tell them before you will answer
      any question they must bring a donation to help keep your
      > hangar fridge stocked with refreshments:) 
      >
      > Mike C.
      >
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| Subject:  | Re: Plans for a good fuse workbench | 
      
      Hey Jack:
      
      You are right that drawing hte plane in sketch Up took some time that I
      would have rather been building, but I have not been empoloyed for a year
      and 3 months until recently... Thus I had plenty of time to dream and draw
      the changes and modifications it will take to fit my big body into the
      plane...
      
      However, I'd MUCH rather make sawdust!
      
      Mark
      
      On Fri, Feb 11, 2011 at 8:17 PM, Charles Waldo <cwaldo.jr@gmail.com> wrote:
      
      > Jack
      >
      > I'm hoping that the little time I have spent on this converts to lots of
      > GOOD saw dust and very little BAD saw dust...lol
      >
      > Sketchup is a free 3D cad program from Google......
      >
      > Chuck
      >
      > On Fri, Feb 11, 2011 at 9:21 PM, Jack Phillips <pietflyr@bellsouth.net>wrote:
      >
      >> pietflyr@bellsouth.net>
      >>
      >> Where do you guys find this scatsup, or sketchup or whatever you call it?
      >> Seems that you are spending an inordinate amount of time on it that could
      >> be
      >> spent making sawdust.  Of course, it may be critical to determining your
      >> paint scheme.
      >>
      >> Jack Phillips
      >> NX899JP  "Icarus Plummet"
      >> Raleigh, NC
      >>
      >>
      >> -----Original Message-----
      >> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
      >> [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of gtche98
      >> Sent: Friday, February 11, 2011 8:43 PM
      >> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
      >> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Plans for a good fuse workbench
      >>
      >>
      >> Good job on the models guys.  In the process of trying to teach myself how
      >> to use sketch-up (I have zero CAD experience), I tried to draw just a
      >> single
      >> rib.  Two hours later, I gave up with little more than the airfoil profile
      >> to show for it.
      >>
      >> I wish that you could buy a sketch-up model of the plane with the plans.
      >>  it
      >> would be nice to be able to spin a model around in 3 dimensions to figure
      >> out how some things go together.  Maybe one of you that are more talented
      >> than I should offer to sell the rights to one of your models. :)
      >>
      >> --------
      >> Gary Wilson
      >> Greenville Wisconsin
      >> gtche98 (at) gmail ((dot)) com
      >> Planning Phase
      >>
      >>
      >>
      >>
      >>
      >> Read this topic online here:
      >>
      >> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=330684#330684
      >>
      >> utilities such as List Un/Subscription,
      >> www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List" target="_blank">
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| Subject:  | Re: Plans for a good fuse workbench | 
      
      Hey Gary!
      
      Thanks for the moral support! If you make it down to Fresno any time soon,
      I'd love to show you the new Airplane Factory we are moving into... The Barn
      is perfect for making airplanes! Plus, I think it's time for me to buy YOUR
      dinner :o)
      
      I am SO looking forward to starting the process... Can't wait to get settled
      into the new digs, and start making sawdust...
      
      Gimme a call if you get down this way: 559-917-5904
      
      Mark
      
      On Sat, Feb 12, 2011 at 5:26 AM, Gboothe5 <gboothe5@comcast.net> wrote:
      
      >
      > Mark,
      >
      > Flamed, Yes. Banned, I don't think so...
      >
      > Most of what you propose has already been done, to some extent. 4' center
      > sections, enlarged tail surfaces, deeper fuselage, taller panel and
      > turtledeck, tipped back pilot seat, etc. The only new idea I see is the
      > plastic drag 'wires'...interesting idea! I say, "Experiment away...!" And
      > let He Who Says He Built To Plans speak up, 'cause I have yet to see anyone
      > with a ternplate fuel tank...
      >
      > Gary
      >
      > -----Original Message-----
      > From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
      > [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Mark
      > Roberts
      > Sent: Friday, February 11, 2011 11:10 AM
      > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
      > Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Plans for a good fuse workbench
      >
      > Well, Chuck, you are really trying to get me Flamed, banned and thrown off
      > this list!  :o)
      >
      > Glad to share what I have done so far. I know many that would say what I am
      > doing is perverting a great design, and thus far I have kept my design
      > elements quiet so as not to disrupt the flow of ideas here, but perhaps
      > there are other 'larger than should be' folks like me out there, and so I
      > will share, for better or for worse, my intended design modifications.
      >
      > I am not an aeronautical engineer (neither was our beloved designer of the
      > original), but a long time modeler and designer and I am making the wing
      > mod's based on structural info I have found that seem to verify that the
      > wing spars are of more than sufficient strength at 1"
      > thick, and an additional 1" taller than originally called out --5.75"
      > in the fore spar, 5 5/8" in the rear--(Bernie's later designs were using
      > 3/4" thick spars, not the 1" thick he originally drew in the plans). The
      > wing bays are an added 2' on each side, requiring the modifications of the
      > tail surfaces to meet the design requirements of stability with the extra
      > wing. I might add a bit more to the fin/rudder area to insure the stability
      > and avoid a potential spin problem mentioned earlier in this posting
      > series.
      > To accommodate the added wing bays, I moved the spar attachments out one
      > bay, lengthening the wing struts a bit. I will be putting Jury struts on
      > the
      > struts as recommended, and required by this additional length.
      >
      > These mods are not all completed in my sketch up drawing, but some can be
      > seen in the design attached. I played around with a concept you'll see on
      > these drawings that I found in a build of another plans built LSA design:
      > the AMF 14H Miranda. The designed used fiber reinforced strapping material
      > for the drag/anti-drag wires verses cable and turnbuckles. He saved a TON
      > of
      > weight, and an equal amount of money as those turnbuckles cost more than
      > the
      > birth of my children...  You can see this on the website
      > www.mywoodenairplane.com which is an online build log. The guy has a bunch
      > left over and would most likely sell a bunch of it cheap. He's a nice guy
      > too...  This tape/ribbon is the stuff you see and get wrapped around any
      > large box that's been shipped. It's the stuff that has a heat sealed
      > connection with the other end of the tape where they meet. (It's not the
      > stuff on a roll that is sticky and you buy it at Office Max... this is the
      > stuff you can't break for your life.). Many of us have opened this stuff by
      > turning it over at the joint where the 2 ends meet and peeling one end away
      > from the other end and it releases the bond... Great stuff for the
      > drag/anti-drag system, and just as strong as the steel and turnbuckles they
      > replace.  Anyway, that's what you see below drawn into the wing. It is just
      > one side of it. I need to draw in the other side of the system, but now I
      > can actually start building, so I will most likely wait till I get closer
      > to
      > that assembly.
      >
      > Anyway, this is why it is called 'experimental' right ;o)   I won't be
      > the first guy to try something, but if it looks to be done somewhere else,
      > I
      > will consider it if it seemed to work out ok for the other guy
      > :o)
      >
      > Here's the pics of the drawing so far.
      >
      > Mark
      >
      >
      > On Fri, Feb 11, 2011 at 6:50 AM, Charles Waldo <cwaldo.jr@gmail.com>
      > wrote:
      > > Mark
      > >
      > >   Could you post a Jpg of your piet model in sketchup? Just wanted to
      > > see what your model looks like and how far along you are on it.....
      > >
      > > Chuck
      > >
      > > On Thu, Feb 10, 2011 at 10:47 PM, Mark Roberts <mark.rbrts1@gmail.com>
      > > wrote:
      > >>
      > >> --> <mark.rbrts1@gmail.com>
      > >>
      > >> Well, at the risk of getting flamed, or worse yet, branded as a Piet
      > >> Heretic, I am building my virtual Piet in Google Sketch Up because of
      > >> some of the design elements I am changing to meet my particular needs.
      > >>
      > >> At 6'4" and almost as big around, I am needing the extra width to the
      > >> fuse (28" wide at the back seat) and I am lengthening the nose a bit
      > >> (Per Bernard's suggestion due to a lighter motor), AND I am using the
      > >> GA-30-613.5 airfoil.  One last thing is the extra bay's I am adding
      > >> to the wing tips and deepening the spars (keeping them at 1" thick,
      > >> carefully routed for lightness) and moving the strut connection
      > >> points out one bay to support the extra bays, and I felt I needed to
      > >> insure the changes all fit when I hit the shop.
      > >>
      > >> I know that sounds like lots of changes, but the design elements all
      > >> take the same Piet form, and I am building an airplane that will be
      > >> mine until I decide I don't want it anymore, or can't fly, so I felt
      > >> I'd build it to fit ME, not Bernard :o)
      > >>
      > >> I drew the metal parts (not fully completed) to fit the changes, and
      > >> that included adding the 1/2" to the strut attachments all around to
      > >> make the connections easier. I had read comments here about that
      > >> already.
      > >>
      > >> Again, heresy I know, but it's gonna be mine when I'm done :o)
      > >>
      > >> Sketchup allowed me to measure the proper distances, and to correct
      > >> the tail sections to be the proper area to match the wing changes,
      > >> etc. I know, one change creates a hundred others, but it's kept my
      > >> head into the dream for a year and a half when I couldn't buy spit.
      > >> So, it was accomplishing something for me and now I can begin the
      > >> build proper...
      > >>
      > >> Thanks for all the feedback on the table. My first thing I'll be
      > >> doing (after taking a trip to the Groah's with my camera) is to build
      > >> the table. Once that is over I will feel as though I am really gonna
      > >> build me a plane!
      > >>
      > >> Mark
      > >>
      > >> On Thu, Feb 10, 2011 at 11:46 AM, V Groah <vgroah@hotmail.com> wrote:
      > >> > Correct good idea.  Vic
      > >> >
      > >> >> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Plans for a good fuse workbench
      > >> >> From: hangar10@cox.net
      > >> >> Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2011 09:25:18 -0800
      > >> >> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
      > >> >>
      > >> >>
      > >> >>
      > >> >> mark.rbrts1(at)gmail.com wrote:
      > >> >> > Oh, one other really cool thing: I am drawing the metal parts up
      > >> >> > in Sketch Up and cleaning them in my CAD program so I can
      > >> >> > deliver them to an old acquaintance I have recently renewed a
      > >> >> > relationship with. He owns a steel fabrication company, and has
      > >> >> > a laser cutting machine for his fabrication plant. He said "How
      > >> >> > thick are the parts? NO problem!
      > >> >> > Bring me the pans and I'll cut all those parts for you to
      > >> >> > perfection!"
      > >> >>
      > >> >>
      > >> >> One word of advice, be sure to make the lift strut attach
      > >> >> fittings, cabane strut fittings and anything else that might be a
      > >> >> clearance issue about 1/2"
      > >> >> longer (perhaps others can chime in). I know that some fittings
      > >> >> made to the plans can create minor clearance issues.
      > >> >>
      > >> >>
      > >> >> mark.rbrts1(at)gmail.com wrote:
      > >> >> > Any suggestions on programs to use for the build log online?
      > >> >>
      > >> >>
      > >> >> www.mykitlog.com is powered by the same fella that provide this
      > >> >> forum for us. I think the program is $50, but it allows you to
      > >> >> track build time, photos and details, expense items, vendors, etc.
      > >> >> You can post an online version to the web and the print version is
      > >> >> formatted very nicely and will make a nice hardcopy of the log
      > >> >> book. Pretty slick tool. If you want to see an example, check out
      > >> >> my kitlog link in my signature below.
      > >> >>
      > >> >> --------
      > >> >> Mark Chouinard
      > >> >> Wings, Center Section and Empannage framed up - Working on
      > >> >> Fuselage
      > >> >>
      > >> >>
      > >> >>
      > >> >>
      > >> >>
      > >> >> Read this topic online here:
      > >> >>
      > >> >> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=330465#330465
      > >> >>
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      I know this has been covered from time to time in the past, but with many new members
      lately I think it's time to bring this up again as a friendly reminder.
      Some of you are posting photos that are so large that I have to scroll side
      to side and up and down just to see one photo, making it hard sometimes to even
      see what I'm looking at.  We all love to see the photos of the progress, or
      of certain construction details to answer specific questions, but PLEASE resize
      your photos down to a more reasonable size like 800x600 pixels. 
      
       It really makes it much more pleasurable to look at a whole image at one time
      rather than looking at a fraction of an exceptionally large image trying to figure
      out what you're looking at.  It also makes the text from the replies much
      easier to read without having to scroll side to side numerous times.  And by
      downsizing your photos, it will make them upload faster and save bandwidth on
      the Matronics list. 
      
       Thanks!
      
      --------
      Billy McCaskill
      Urbana, IL
      tail section almost done, starting on ribs soon
      
      
      Read this topic online here:
      
      http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=330990#330990
      
      
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| Subject:  | Re: B&B turnbuckles | 
      
      
      I met Carson Vella from Brisbane today. He called in to have a look at where I
      am up to and share the photos of his Piet progress. He mentioned about these turnbuckles
      to me. Im still in the very early stages of building but when a bargain
      comes along I try and collect as many parts as I can. I havent looked at
      the turnbuckles on the plans to know what size and how many I will need. Apparently
      B & B doesn't have an email address and will not send overseas which is
      a bummer for me! 
      
      Would anyone who hasn't ordered theirs and is going to, be prepared to order me
      a set and post them too me here in Australia? Of course I will reimburse full
      costs of the turnbuckles with postage and will shout you a beer too!
      
      Cheers Scotty
      Australia
      
      --------
      Scotty
      
      Tamworth, Australia
      Building a Corvair Powered Pietenpol Air Camper
      
      www.scottyspietenpol.com
      
      
      Read this topic online here:
      
      http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=330996#330996
      
      
 
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