---------------------------------------------------------- Pietenpol-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Fri 02/18/11: 9 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 07:10 AM - Moving Axle Centerline () 2. 07:54 AM - Re: Re: Streamline Tubing (TOM STINEMETZE) 3. 07:54 AM - Re: Moving Axle Centerline (TOM STINEMETZE) 4. 08:42 AM - Re: Moving Axle Centerline (Rick Holland) 5. 04:16 PM - Piet outdoors (Jerry Dotson) 6. 04:24 PM - Rolling Steel Marbles in My Left Hand (Gboothe5) 7. 04:49 PM - Re: Rolling Steel Marbles in My Left Hand (Jack Phillips) 8. 05:42 PM - Re: Piet outdoors (Gary Boothe) 9. 07:02 PM - Re: Piet outdoors (Jerry Dotson) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 07:10:42 AM PST US From: Subject: Pietenpol-List: Moving Axle Centerline Having read the Wynne articles in the BPA newsletter concerning landing gear and CG location where he cautions builders not to have the landing gear aft of the wing leading edge, I have the following questions: My fuselage is already built with the white ash cross struts on the floor bottom. I am planning on using the split axle gear with hydraulic brakes. How can I move the axle forward and still use the same fuselage mounting gear location for the landing gear? Can I shorten the forward landing gear tube and lengthen the rear tube? Am I missing something? Tim White (Long fuselage, C-85-12) ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 07:54:07 AM PST US From: "TOM STINEMETZE" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Streamline Tubing Gary: Get Hoffman to send the design to Mike Perez (karetakeraero.com). I bet he's got the guts to do it. Stinemetze do not archive >>> "Gary Boothe" 2/17/2011 7:04 PM >>> He sent me the proof a couple months agoand I gave him a good review. I dont think he has the guts to follow through, though:-0 ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 07:54:08 AM PST US From: "TOM STINEMETZE" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Moving Axle Centerline Tim: The fuselage attach points need to remain in the same locations as that is where the bracing structure is designed to accept the loads. I am just about to do the same thing that you are suggesting, i.e. shorten the front tube and lengthen the back one. This will actually mean that the front tube is transmitting more of the load to the front fuselage attachment point than before due to the change in moment arm but that has apparently not been a problem for others who have done this. Stinemetze N328X >>> 2/18/2011 9:00 AM >>> Having read the Wynne articles in the BPA newsletter concerning landing gear and CG location where he cautions builders not to have the landing gear aft of the wing leading edge, I have the following questions: My fuselage is already built with the white ash cross struts on the floor bottom. I am planning on using the split axle gear with hydraulic brakes. How can I move the axle forward and still use the same fuselage mounting gear location for the landing gear? Can I shorten the forward landing gear tube and lengthen the rear tube? Am I missing something? Tim White (Long fuselage, C-85-12) ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 08:42:23 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Moving Axle Centerline From: Rick Holland That's what I did with my split gear, moved the axle 3" forward from the plans location. Haven't flown yet so I can't say if its good or bad. On Fri, Feb 18, 2011 at 8:21 AM, TOM STINEMETZE wrote: > *Tim:* > ** > *The fuselage attach points need to remain in the same locations as that > is where the bracing structure is designed to accept the loads. I am just > about to do the same thing that you are suggesting, i.e. shorten the front > tube and lengthen the back one. This will actually mean that the front tube > is transmitting more of the load to the front fuselage attachment point than > before due to the change in moment arm but that has apparently not been a > problem for others who have done this.* > ** > *Stinemetze* > *N328X* > > > >>> 2/18/2011 9:00 AM >>> > *Having read the Wynne articles in the BPA newsletter concerning landing > gear and CG location where he cautions builders not to have the landing gear > aft of the wing leading edge, I have the following questions: My fuselage is > already built with the white ash cross struts on the floor bottom. I am > planning on using the split axle gear with hydraulic brakes. How can I move > the axle forward and still use the same fuselage mounting gear location for > the landing gear? Can I shorten the forward landing gear tube and lengthen > the rear tube? Am I missing something?* > ** > *Tim White * > *(Long fuselage, C-85-12)* > > * > > * > > -- Rick Holland Castle Rock, Colorado "A Foolish Consistency is the Hobgoblin of Little Minds" ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 04:16:59 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Piet outdoors From: "Jerry Dotson" I just can't help my self. We pushed it out this afternoon. Gary Boothe you will be proud of me. I built the jury struts 100% from poplar.....really it is from a tulip tree I sawed on my homemade sawmill about 25 or 30 years ago. It looks just like poplar. -------- Jerry Dotson 59 Daniel Johnson Rd Baker, FL 32531 Started building NX510JD July, 2009 wing, tailfeathers done, fuselage rolling using Lycoming O-235 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=331460#331460 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/jury_srtut_130.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/outdoors_1080_686.jpg ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 04:24:08 PM PST US From: "Gboothe5" Subject: Pietenpol-List: Rolling Steel Marbles in My Left Hand As most of you recall, I posted a picture of what I thought was a completed set of ribs. Jack Phillips unceremoniously pointed out that I was two ribs short. Knowing that he would never intentionally disconcert the masses, upon reading his post (Could it be?), I ran downstairs in a panic to the garage to recount. I counted that stack 3 times, but the number never changed, and, upon closer inspection, found Ribs #17 & 18 missing. The offending ribs now sit atop the stack. As to the two missing ribs themselves, mistakenly, and in haste, I quickly blamed Jim Markle.that was wrong. Upon more careful consideration, I can now prove, with irrefutable logic and mathematics, that it was the Mess Steward who took the ribs! There must have been a duplicate key, which I can also prove, but I am surrounded by incompetence, as evidenced by the fact that numerous Piet builders have been to my house, and no one has told me I was missing #'s 17 & 18. Had I been allowed more time I could prove that there is a duplicate key to my house (rolling steel marbles in my left hand)..well, of course, I'll be happy to answer any further questions. Gary Boothe Cool, Ca. WW Corvair Conversion, Running! Tail done, Fuselage on gear, RIBS DONE! ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 04:49:59 PM PST US From: "Jack Phillips" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Rolling Steel Marbles in My Left Hand Don't worry that Gary is a liar - his dog likes him. "I've got those Yellowstain Blues, down from my head to my shoes." PLEASE do not archive Jack Phillips NX899JP "Icarus Plummet" Raleigh, NC _____ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gboothe5 Sent: Friday, February 18, 2011 7:16 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Rolling Steel Marbles in My Left Hand As most of you recall, I posted a picture of what I thought was a completed set of ribs. Jack Phillips unceremoniously pointed out that I was two ribs short. Knowing that he would never intentionally disconcert the masses, upon reading his post (Could it be?), I ran downstairs in a panic to the garage to recount. I counted that stack 3 times, but the number never changed, and, upon closer inspection, found Ribs #17 & 18 missing. The offending ribs now sit atop the stack. As to the two missing ribs themselves, mistakenly, and in haste, I quickly blamed Jim Markle.that was wrong. Upon more careful consideration, I can now prove, with irrefutable logic and mathematics, that it was the Mess Steward who took the ribs! There must have been a duplicate key, which I can also prove, but I am surrounded by incompetence, as evidenced by the fact that numerous Piet builders have been to my house, and no one has told me I was missing #'s 17 & 18. Had I been allowed more time I could prove that there is a duplicate key to my house (rolling steel marbles in my left hand)..well, of course, I'll be happy to answer any further questions. Gary Boothe Cool, Ca. WW Corvair Conversion, Running! Tail done, Fuselage on gear, RIBS DONE! ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 05:42:52 PM PST US From: "Gary Boothe" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Piet outdoors I am proud...and impressed! Is that a Silky Terrier? Gary Do not archive -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jerry Dotson Sent: Friday, February 18, 2011 4:14 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Piet outdoors I just can't help my self. We pushed it out this afternoon. Gary Boothe you will be proud of me. I built the jury struts 100% from poplar.....really it is from a tulip tree I sawed on my homemade sawmill about 25 or 30 years ago. It looks just like poplar. -------- Jerry Dotson 59 Daniel Johnson Rd Baker, FL 32531 Started building NX510JD July, 2009 wing, tailfeathers done, fuselage rolling using Lycoming O-235 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=331460#331460 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/jury_srtut_130.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/outdoors_1080_686.jpg ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 07:02:49 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Piet outdoors From: "Jerry Dotson" He is a Yorkshire terrier 8 months old. We had an outdoor rat and mouse problem before "ABE" came on the scene. PETA would not like him. He kills every one he can find. -------- Jerry Dotson 59 Daniel Johnson Rd Baker, FL 32531 Started building NX510JD July, 2009 wing, tailfeathers done, fuselage rolling using Lycoming O-235 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=331478#331478 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message pietenpol-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Pietenpol-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/pietenpol-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/pietenpol-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.