---------------------------------------------------------- Pietenpol-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Sat 02/26/11: 13 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 04:56 AM - I need some help please (JOSEPH SWITHIN) 2. 05:49 AM - Re: I need some help please (Jack) 3. 09:46 AM - Florida Flying/Sun-N-Fun (Ben Charvet) 4. 10:23 AM - Re: I need some help please (giacummo) 5. 11:40 AM - firewall insulating barrier (Kenneth Bickers) 6. 01:47 PM - Re: firewall insulating barrier (Rick Holland) 7. 02:43 PM - Rudder bar and forward controls (KM Heide CPO/FAAOP) 8. 04:17 PM - Re: firewall insulating barrier (Richard Schreiber) 9. 05:35 PM - HELP (Dick N) 10. 06:40 PM - Re: Rudder bar and forward controls (Rick Holland) 11. 06:45 PM - Re: HELP (Gene Rambo) 12. 07:00 PM - Re: HELP (Dick N) 13. 07:35 PM - Re: Rudder bar and forward controls (Michael Perez) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 04:56:43 AM PST US From: JOSEPH SWITHIN Subject: Pietenpol-List: I need some help please Vic, The pictures of Jack's project are great, but in person you would be blown away. I had the pleasure to meet Jack and his wife last Saturday on a visit to Des Moines. It turns out my step-daughter lives just around the corner from them. As I' am just getting started it really got me excited to see his project and the quality of his craftsmanship. If only this weather would straighten up so I could get in the shop! Thanks again Jack for the Piet visit and the great advise. Joe Swithin Morris, IL Starting with the ribs soon. ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 05:49:17 AM PST US From: "Jack" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: I need some help please It is always fun to "talk Piets", thank you Joe. Do not archive _____ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of JOSEPH SWITHIN Sent: Saturday, February 26, 2011 6:54 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: I need some help please Vic, The pictures of Jack's project are great, but in person you would be blown away. I had the pleasure to meet Jack and his wife last Saturday on a visit to Des Moines. It turns out my step-daughter lives just around the corner from them. As I' am just getting started it really got me excited to see his project and the quality of his craftsmanship. If only this weather would straighten up so I could get in the shop! Thanks again Jack for the Piet visit and the great advise. Joe Swithin Morris, IL Starting with the ribs soon. ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 09:46:59 AM PST US From: Ben Charvet Subject: Pietenpol-List: Florida Flying/Sun-N-Fun Its hard to believe that its time for my first annual condition inspection. Took the Piet up for 1/2 hour just to warm up the oil, and was comfortable wearing a t-shirt and shorts! I'm planning to have the Piet over at Sun-N Fun for the whole week. Anyone else flying in? Ben Charvet Titusville, Fl ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 10:23:02 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: I need some help please From: "giacummo" Hey Jack, thanks me, I am presenting you your neighbors ;0) And Dan, about Morete yes I exchange some mails with him; here in Uruguay there is an other constructor (or future constructor) who told me he thought to build a Piet, he went with his son to Brodhead in 09.. and when he saw them, so perfects, and very laborious works, he change his wishes for something easier (Legal Eagle). At home (country) ther is just only one homebuild aircraft, a Mini Max, build it by Pepe Ifran.. I have to go to talk with him, but he lives far away from home/job place... some day Se you on monday, regards Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=332150#332150 ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 11:40:03 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: firewall insulating barrier From: Kenneth Bickers I'm approaching a point where I'll need to install a firewall. I'm wondering if there is any consensus on the need/desirability of installing a heat resistant barrier (e.g., fiberfrax) between the plywood and the stainless or galvanized sheet metal firewall. Those of you further along or with flying Piets, what have you done? Thanks, Ken ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 01:47:39 PM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: firewall insulating barrier From: Rick Holland Ken >From what I have read that the fiberfrax is not necessary if using stainless on the firewall (but doesn't hurt). I just used the .016 stainless. I have a firewall size piece of fiberfrax if you need some. rick On Sat, Feb 26, 2011 at 12:36 PM, Kenneth Bickers wrote: > bickers.ken@gmail.com> > > I'm approaching a point where I'll need to install a firewall. I'm > wondering if there is any consensus on the need/desirability of > installing a heat resistant barrier (e.g., fiberfrax) between the > plywood and the stainless or galvanized sheet metal firewall. > Those of you further along or with flying Piets, what have you done? > > Thanks, Ken > > -- Rick Holland Castle Rock, Colorado "A Foolish Consistency is the Hobgoblin of Little Minds" ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 02:43:34 PM PST US From: KM Heide CPO/FAAOP Subject: Pietenpol-List: Rudder bar and forward controls Any issues with using standard cold rolled-tubing for use on the Rudder b ar and forward foot controls?-I need to know if structural tubing is the choice over standard tubing; if so why?-Also, are any of you reinforcing the floor under the rudder bar mount as I find it somewhat flexible. - - KMHeide Hawley, MN=0A=0A=0A ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 04:17:47 PM PST US From: "Richard Schreiber" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: firewall insulating barrier Rick: I would be interested in the Fiberfrax. Contact me offline. Rick Schreiber Valparaiso, In ----- Original Message ----- From: Rick Holland Sent: 2/26/2011 3:49:23 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: firewall insulating barrier Ken >From what I have read that the fiberfrax is not necessary if using stainless on the firewall (but doesn't hurt). I just used the .016 stainless. I have a firewall size piece of fiberfrax if you need some. rick On Sat, Feb 26, 2011 at 12:36 PM, Kenneth Bickers wrote: I'm approaching a point where I'll need to install a firewall. I'm wondering if there is any consensus on the need/desirability of installing a heat resistant barrier (e.g., fiberfrax) between the plywood and the stainless or galvanized sheet metal firewall. Those of you further along or with flying Piets, what have you done? Thanks, Ken ========== st" target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List ========== http://forums.matronics.com ========== le, List Admin. ="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution ========== -- Rick Holland Castle Rock, Colorado "A Foolish Consistency is the Hobgoblin of Little Minds" No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 05:35:02 PM PST US From: "Dick N" Subject: Pietenpol-List: HELP This year at Sun n Fun in the Wood Shop we are going to build a Pietenpol Fuselage and tail section. We are then going to donate what we build to Brodhead airport to be auctioned or sold at the Pietenpol reunion this summer, for the concrete floor at the new visitors center. Dave Aldrich is going to contribute the wood and I am working on Wicks to contribute te plywood. What we still need are steel fittings, ( bell crank, torque tube, tail brackets and rudder assy bar also the wing fittings). Is there anyone out there that can make a set for us? If you can, please contact me off list? I know this is short notice and we cant pay for them but I appreciate what ever you all can do. Of couse if you can contribute anything else we can use anything (engine mount, wing struts, fuel tank, tail wheel or? ) I"m sure there a lot of things around the hangar floor you've been meaning to sell or use someplace that would be perfect for our plane. Dick N horzpool@goldengate.net ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 06:40:26 PM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Rudder bar and forward controls From: Rick Holland Have you installed the cross-member that runs from the rear ash piece to the top of the rudder bar? Mine felt wobbly until I added that, no need to reinforce the 1/4" floor. rick On Sat, Feb 26, 2011 at 3:39 PM, KM Heide CPO/FAAOP wrote: > > * > * > **Any issues with using standard cold rolled tubing for use on the Rudder > bar and forward foot controls? I need to know if structural tubing is the > choice over standard tubing; if so why? Also, are any of you reinforcing the > floor under the rudder bar mount as I find it somewhat flexible. > > > KMHeide > Hawley, MN > > * > > * > > -- Rick Holland Castle Rock, Colorado "A Foolish Consistency is the Hobgoblin of Little Minds" ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 06:45:42 PM PST US From: Gene Rambo Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: HELP Dick=2C I have a Model A engine mount and radiator mount that came off of J ack McCarthy's Piet when he converted. I would be happy to donate these to the cause. Gene Rambo From: horzpool@goldengate.net Subject: Pietenpol-List: HELP This year at Sun n Fun in the Wood Shop we are going to build a Pietenpol F uselage and tail section. We are then going to donate what we build to Bro dhead airport to be auctioned or sold at the Pietenpol reunion this summer =2C for the concrete floor at the new visitors center. Dave Aldrich is goi ng to contribute the wood and I am working on Wicks to contribute te plywoo d. What we still need are steel fittings=2C ( bell crank=2C torque tube =2C tail brackets and rudder assy bar also the wing fittings). Is there an yone out there that can make a set for us? If you can=2C please contact me off list? I know this is short notice and we cant pay for them but I appr eciate what ever you all can do. Of couse if you can contribute anything e lse we can use anything (engine mount=2C wing struts=2C fuel tank=2C tail w heel or? ) I"m sure there a lot of things around the hangar floor you've been meaning to sell or use someplace that would be perfect for our plane. Dick N horzpool@goldengate.net ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 07:00:53 PM PST US From: "Dick N" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: HELP Thats great Gene. For that, are you going to SNF or I can also pick up. Dick ----- Original Message ----- From: Gene Rambo To: pietenpol-list Sent: Saturday, February 26, 2011 8:42 PM Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: HELP Dick, I have a Model A engine mount and radiator mount that came off of Jack McCarthy's Piet when he converted. I would be happy to donate these to the cause. Gene Rambo ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- From: horzpool@goldengate.net To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Subject: Pietenpol-List: HELP Date: Sat, 26 Feb 2011 19:25:01 -0600 This year at Sun n Fun in the Wood Shop we are going to build a Pietenpol Fuselage and tail section. We are then going to donate what we build to Brodhead airport to be auctioned or sold at the Pietenpol reunion this summer, for the concrete floor at the new visitors center. Dave Aldrich is going to contribute the wood and I am working on Wicks to contribute te plywood. What we still need are steel fittings, ( bell crank, torque tube, tail brackets and rudder assy bar also the wing fittings). Is there anyone out there that can make a set for us? If you can, please contact me off list? I know this is short notice and we cant pay for them but I appreciate what ever you all can do. Of couse if you can contribute anything else we can use anything (engine mount, wing struts, fuel tank, tail wheel or? ) I"m sure there a lot of things around the hangar floor you've been meaning to sell or use someplace that would be perfect for our plane. Dick N horzpool@goldengate.net st" target=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List ttp://forums.matronics.com =_blank>http://www.matronics.com/contribution ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 07:35:49 PM PST US From: Michael Perez Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Rudder bar and forward controls Standard tubing is what I used. (.035" wall SS) Agreed... once the top support is in...no wobble. Michael Perez Karetaker Aero www.karetakeraero.com --- On Sat, 2/26/11, Rick Holland wrote: > From: Rick Holland > Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Rudder bar and forward controls > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > Date: Saturday, February 26, 2011, 9:32 PM > Have you installed the cross-member that > runs from the rear ash piece to the top of the rudder bar? > Mine felt wobbly until I added that, no need to reinforce > the 1/4" floor. > > rick > > > On Sat, Feb 26, 2011 at 3:39 PM, KM Heide CPO/FAAOP > wrote: > > > > > > Any issues > with using standard cold rolledtubing for use on the > Rudder bar and forward foot controls?I need to know if > structural tubing is the choice over standard tubing; if so > why?Also, are any of you reinforcing the floor under the > rudder bar mount as I find it somewhat flexible. > > > > > KMHeide > Hawley, > MN > > > > > > > > > > > > " > target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List > tp://forums.matronics.com > _blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution > > > > > -- > Rick Holland > Castle Rock, Colorado > > "A Foolish Consistency is the Hobgoblin of Little > Minds" > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message pietenpol-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Pietenpol-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/pietenpol-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/pietenpol-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.