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1. 06:27 AM - Re: One of Those Days... (Jack)
2. 08:55 AM - drilling holes in the hstab & matching fittings (Timothy Willis)
3. 09:53 AM - Re: drilling holes in the hstab & matching fittings (womenfly2)
4. 09:55 AM - Re: One of Those Days... (Chris)
5. 12:13 PM - M.Perez Hints videos (AMsafetyC@aol.com)
6. 12:35 PM - Re: drilling holes in the hstab & matching fittings (Jack)
7. 12:40 PM - Re: One of Those Days... (Gene Rambo)
8. 02:19 PM - Real Airplane Engine (Charles Campbell)
9. 02:31 PM - Re: Real Airplane Engine (Gene Rambo)
10. 02:40 PM - FW: [eaa1114-announce] Jack Cox, EAA Icon, goes West (Jack Phillips)
11. 02:50 PM - Piets & Yorkies (TriScout)
12. 02:52 PM - Re: FW: [eaa1114-announce] Jack Cox, EAA Icon, goes West (Ryan Mueller)
13. 02:59 PM - Re: Real Airplane Engine (bradandlinda tds.net)
14. 03:04 PM - Re: Piets & Yorkies (Ryan Mueller)
15. 03:09 PM - Re: Real Airplane Engine (shad bell)
16. 03:18 PM - Wilson Test (Gary Boothe)
17. 03:29 PM - Re: Piets & Yorkies (Gary Boothe)
18. 03:30 PM - Re: Real Airplane Engine (Jack Phillips)
19. 03:40 PM - Re: Real Airplane Engine (Kip and Beth Gardner)
20. 03:45 PM - Re: Real Airplane Engine (Jack Phillips)
21. 03:51 PM - Re: Piets & Yorkies (TriScout)
22. 04:18 PM - Re: M.Perez Hints videos (helspersew@aol.com)
23. 04:29 PM - Re: FW: [eaa1114-announce] Jack Cox, EAA Icon, goes West (helspersew@aol.com)
24. 04:47 PM - Re: M.Perez Hints videos (Ryan Mueller)
25. 04:52 PM - Re: M.Perez Hints videos (Charles Campbell)
26. 04:59 PM - Re: Real Airplane Engine (Charles Campbell)
27. 05:05 PM - N number (Charles Campbell)
28. 05:10 PM - Re: Real Airplane Engine (Ryan Mueller)
29. 05:11 PM - Re: M.Perez Hints videos (AMsafetyC@aol.com)
30. 05:19 PM - Re: Real Airplane Engine (AMsafetyC@aol.com)
31. 05:24 PM - Real Airplane Engine,manuals (shad bell)
32. 05:25 PM - Re: FW: [eaa1114-announce] Jack Cox, EAA Icon, goes West (AMsafetyC@aol.com)
33. 05:35 PM - Moving to TN (Gary Boothe)
34. 06:08 PM - Re: Real Airplane Engine,manuals (Charles Campbell)
35. 06:20 PM - Re: N number (K5YAC)
36. 06:41 PM - Re: Re: N number (Jim Markle)
37. 06:46 PM - Re: Re: N number (Jack Phillips)
38. 06:48 PM - Re: Re: N number (Doug Dever)
39. 07:38 PM - brakes (Oscar Zuniga)
40. 07:50 PM - Re: Arizona Piet People - Cactus Fly-In (Andrew M Eldredge)
41. 08:09 PM - Re: M.Perez Hints videos (Clayton Harper)
42. 08:21 PM - Re: N number (K5YAC)
43. 08:38 PM - Re: [eaa1114-announce] Jack Cox, EAA Icon, goes West (Paul N. Peckham)
44. 08:57 PM - Re: [eaa1114-announce] Jack Cox, EAA Icon, goes West (K5YAC)
45. 10:59 PM - Re: Re: drilling holes in the hstab & matching fittings (Clif Dawson)
46. 11:26 PM - Re: M.Perez Hints videos (Clif Dawson)
47. 11:34 PM - Re: Real Airplane Engine,manuals (Clif Dawson)
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| Subject: | One of Those Days... |
Jerry, I was just voicing the frustration. I was referring to the fittings
that attach the vertical and horizontal stabilizers to the fuselage, both
front and rear. If you scroll down from here
http://textors.com/PietProject.html you can see pictures under tail group.
Even after thinking through the process, figuring for fabric thickness etc,
I still messed up. It won't be the last time I'm sure. In this picture
http://textors.com/DSCN4181.JPG you can see the top two rear fittings, which
if used wouldn't allow enough room for the nuts that secure the bottom two
fittings. They will be too close to the fuselage side. So I plugged the
stab, re-drilled then re-made the top fittings moving the bolts out. Pretty
much had to do the same to the front fittings. Oh well.
Jack
DSM
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jack
Sent: Saturday, March 05, 2011 7:22 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: One of Those Days...
Frustrating day today on the Piet. Fabricated the tail fitting numerous
times to make them fit. Drilled plugged and re-drilled a bunch. Just a
heads-up, as you build make sure to calculate for the fabric everywhere.
Jack
DSM
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| Subject: | drilling holes in the hstab & matching fittings |
Jack,
I empathize with your frustrtion in that process. I had a drill jig
that should have made vertical and thus aligned holes in the Hstab,
but the surface was too uneven and the drill jig pretty short.
Alignment was very iffy. My drilled holes were whompy, so that the
fittings on the other side did not align. I quit after 2 of 4 holes
were off and plugged them with oak plugs and epoxy. Then I built a
table top of sorts to bolt to my second drill press. I set the Hstab
on blocks off the table and clamped it down, then drilled the holes.
The results are right on.
But NOW you have me worried-- how should I have accounted for fabric?
Tim in central TX
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Time: 05:24:19 PM PST US
From: "Jack" <jack@textors.com>
Subject: Pietenpol-List: One of Those Days...
Frustrating day today on the Piet. Fabricated the tail fitting numerous
times to make them fit. Drilled plugged and re-drilled a bunch. Just a
heads-up, as you build make sure to calculate for the fabric everywhere.
Jack
DSM
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| Subject: | Re: drilling holes in the hstab & matching fittings |
All fittings should allow for fabric. Specially if you are adding reinforcing tapes
under them for wear. The build up in thickness with fabric & paint can be
.030" or more. Best to place about 4 fabric strips under the fitting before drilling
the wood frame to allow for this increase.
Another trick is to only drill holes in one fitting, then drill through the wood
using that fitting. Then place the other fitting in-line and in position and
then use the drilled holes in the wood to transfer them to it.
Of course true, straight and plump holes are always the goal ..... one does not
want to think about all the bad one when flying around at 1000 feet.
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=332917#332917
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| Subject: | One of Those Days... |
It's good you mentioned this because I have worried about the tail group
fitting after covering for years. As of late, I had just about convince
myself that mounting the tail would be ok because everyone seems to do it
and no one says its a problem.
So now, I'm back to wondering, how is everyone else mounting the tail before
covering and still getting to fit correctly? How should I do it?
Chris
Sacramento, Ca
Westcoastpiet.com
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jack
Sent: Sunday, March 06, 2011 6:23 AM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: One of Those Days...
Jerry, I was just voicing the frustration. I was referring to the fittings
that attach the vertical and horizontal stabilizers to the fuselage, both
front and rear. If you scroll down from here
http://textors.com/PietProject.html you can see pictures under tail group.
Even after thinking through the process, figuring for fabric thickness etc,
I still messed up. It won't be the last time I'm sure. In this picture
http://textors.com/DSCN4181.JPG you can see the top two rear fittings, which
if used wouldn't allow enough room for the nuts that secure the bottom two
fittings. They will be too close to the fuselage side. So I plugged the
stab, re-drilled then re-made the top fittings moving the bolts out. Pretty
much had to do the same to the front fittings. Oh well.
Jack
DSM
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jack
Sent: Saturday, March 05, 2011 7:22 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: One of Those Days...
Frustrating day today on the Piet. Fabricated the tail fitting numerous
times to make them fit. Drilled plugged and re-drilled a bunch. Just a
heads-up, as you build make sure to calculate for the fabric everywhere.
Jack
DSM
http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List
http://forums.matronics.com
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
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| Subject: | M.Perez Hints videos |
I realize that Mike has taken some rather direct lumps in his decision to
use non standard materials in his Piet build by his own choice. Not being an
attorney but with several years working in the Safety and Health
profession interfacing with insurance, legal and liability issues. The question
of
liability seems to jump out to me that:
If Mike Perez in his hints video shows, illustrates, demonstrates or
mentions that he is using stainless in the construction of a part that requires
4130 and another builder uses that same material suffers an accident or
catastrophic failure of the part made of non called out materials, what is Mike
liability in that situation. I would estimate that it would be enormous as
by showing, saying or demonstrating he is guiding or influencing the view
to follow his steps. Although that may not be the intent of Mikes message
it may become the perception of the viewer which I believe comes to be the
issue of the legal process. What did the viewer do on the basis of the
instructions either directly or implied by the videos he purchased from a person
he believed to be an expert and experienced builder?
Does Mike Perez an expert by virtue of the sales of his video product and
is he liable for the consequence of unsuspecting builders following his
implied expert advice in building the Pietenpol?
I am afraid Mike in his efforts to share information may be treading on
dangerous ground, however not being an attorney I am only asking the questions
and speculating on the legal ramifications as either general liability of
other legal recourse in the event of an incident related to his hints video
series.
John
Quietly contemplating the potential for disaster without trying to
recreate the flames series of his past posting on the material choices debates
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| Subject: | drilling holes in the hstab & matching fittings |
Tim Keri-Ann answered it better than I could. Depending on the location I
utilize one or two washers to help equal the fabric and or tape thickness,
anywhere from .030 to .55, which is only an estimate.
Jack
DSM
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-
anywhere from .030 to 55list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Timothy
Willis
Sent: Sunday, March 06, 2011 10:52 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: drilling holes in the hstab & matching
fittings
Jack,
I empathize with your frustrtion in that process. I had a drill jig
that should have made vertical and thus aligned holes in the Hstab,
but the surface was too uneven and the drill jig pretty short.
Alignment was very iffy. My drilled holes were whompy, so that the
fittings on the other side did not align. I quit after 2 of 4 holes
were off and plugged them with oak plugs and epoxy. Then I built a
table top of sorts to bolt to my second drill press. I set the Hstab
on blocks off the table and clamped it down, then drilled the holes.
The results are right on.
But NOW you have me worried-- how should I have accounted for fabric?
Tim in central TX
======
Time: 05:24:19 PM PST US
From: "Jack" <jack@textors.com>
Subject: Pietenpol-List: One of Those Days...
Frustrating day today on the Piet. Fabricated the tail fitting numerous
times to make them fit. Drilled plugged and re-drilled a bunch. Just a
heads-up, as you build make sure to calculate for the fabric everywhere.
Jack
DSM
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| Subject: | One of Those Days... |
well=2C one could always do it per the plans (god forbid!) where the fittin
gs are riveted (not bolted) to the tailpost and fin prior to covering. The
vertical bolt holes remain in line as fabric is added to the stabilizer an
d top of the fuselage. Added plus is not need for clearance for boltheads
and nuts/cotter pins as someone else on here bemoaned.
Gene
From: catdesigns@att.net
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: One of Those Days...
It's good you mentioned this because I have worried about the tail group fi
tting after covering for years. As of late=2C I had just about convince mys
elf that mounting the tail would be ok because everyone seems to do it and
no one says its a problem.
So now=2C I'm back to wondering=2C how is everyone else mounting the tail b
efore covering and still getting to fit correctly? How should I do it?
Chris
Sacramento=2C Ca
Westcoastpiet.com
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-lis
t-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jack
Sent: Sunday=2C March 06=2C 2011 6:23 AM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: One of Those Days...
Jerry=2C I was just voicing the frustration. I was referring to the fittin
gs that attach the vertical and horizontal stabilizers to the fuselage=2C b
oth front and rear. If you scroll down from here http://textors.com/PietPr
oject.html you can see pictures under tail group. Even after thinking thro
ugh the process=2C figuring for fabric thickness etc=2C I still messed up.
It won=92t be the last time I=92m sure. In this picture http://textors.co
m/DSCN4181.JPG you can see the top two rear fittings=2C which if used would
n=92t allow enough room for the nuts that secure the bottom two fittings.
They will be too close to the fuselage side. So I plugged the stab=2C re-d
rilled then re-made the top fittings moving the bolts out. Pretty much had
to do the same to the front fittings. Oh well=85
Jack
DSM
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-lis
t-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jack
Sent: Saturday=2C March 05=2C 2011 7:22 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: One of Those Days...
Frustrating day today on the Piet. Fabricated the tail fitting numerous ti
mes to make them fit. Drilled plugged and re-drilled a bunch. Just a heads
-up=2C as you build make sure to calculate for the fabric everywhere.
Jack
DSM http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-Listhttp://forums.matroni
cs.comhttp://www.matronics.com/contribution
href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List">http://www.matro
nics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List
href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com
href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c
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| Subject: | Real Airplane Engine |
I am now the owner (won't say proud because I haven't even seen it yet)
of a 100 HP, Lycoming O235-C engine. Several years ago it was in a
sprayer/duster and the pilot had a nose up and the crank flange is bent.
Anyone ever heard of straightening a bent flange or will I have to
replace the crankshaft. The person who GAVE it to me didn't know. He
bought the engine some time back and then decided not to use it and sold
it. The new buyer decided not to use it and gave it back -- so my
friend could give it to me without losing anything. The rest of the
engine should be in pretty good condition -- it didn't have much time on
it when it crashed. Anyone ever hear of an O235 engine being used in a
Piet. I love Lycomings. I had an O260 in the PA22 that I rebuilt but
didn't have to do anything to the engine. They probably don't develop
the power that a comparable Continental does, but they will run forever.
I want to disassemble it and take the parts to an engine person to see
if it's worth trying to rebuild. Anyone know how to disassemble a
Lycoming? Jack, if it turns out that I can use it, there goes the harsh
words you were going to use on me for using a Corvair. Anybody have an
O235 overhaul manual I can buy cheap? Chuck
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| Subject: | Real Airplane Engine |
no straightening allowed!! The rest could save you a bundle=2C though.
Gene
do not archive
From: cncampbell@windstream.net
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Real Airplane Engine
I am now the owner (won't say proud because I haven't even seen it yet) of
a 100 HP=2C Lycoming O235-C engine. Several years ago it was in a sprayer/
duster and the pilot had a nose up and the crank flange is bent. Anyone ev
er heard of straightening a bent flange or will I have to replace the crank
shaft. The person who GAVE it to me didn't know. He bought the engine som
e time back and then decided not to use it and sold it. The new buyer deci
ded not to use it and gave it back -- so my friend could give it to me wit
hout losing anything. The rest of the engine should be in pretty good cond
ition -- it didn't have much time on it when it crashed. Anyone ever hear
of an O235 engine being used in a Piet. I love Lycomings. I had an O260 i
n the PA22 that I rebuilt but didn't have to do anything to the engine. The
y probably don't develop the power that a comparable Continental does=2C bu
t they will run forever. I want to disassemble it and take the parts to an
engine person to see if it's worth trying to rebuild. Anyone know how to
disassemble a Lycoming? Jack=2C if it turns out that I can use it=2C there
goes the harsh words you were going to use on me for using a Corvair. Any
body have an O235 overhaul manual I can buy cheap? Chuck
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| Subject: | FW: [eaa1114-announce] Jack Cox, EAA Icon, goes West |
This has not been a good week. First Gene Pennington and now Jack Cox.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP "Icarus Plummet"
Raleigh, NC
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From: eaa1114-request@safedataisp.net
[mailto:eaa1114-request@safedataisp.net] On Behalf Of Kent Misegades
Sent: Sunday, March 06, 2011 3:40 PM
Subject: [eaa1114-announce] Jack Cox, EAA Icon, goes West
Dear EAA friends,
I am sorry to bring the sad news that our friend Jack Cox from Asheboro,
NC has gone West.
Jack, who with his wife Golda built the EAA's publications from a simple
newsletter into what we know today, had struggled with health issues
recently after retiring from the EAA some years ago. According to
Golda, Jack passed away peacefully in his sleep.
Jack did not wish to have any funeral service. I will however be making
a few inquiries later this week and let you know of anything that might
be planned.
regards,
Kent
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Finally had to get a used prop on Barnstormers. Zeus approves. Hope to be airborne
soon. Sensenich has back order, since government is taking priority for the
UAV's.
Larry.. (Dallas theatre of operations)
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| Subject: | Re: FW: [eaa1114-announce] Jack Cox, EAA Icon, goes West |
Damn it. Thanks for passing the word Jack....
do not archive
On Sun, Mar 6, 2011 at 4:37 PM, Jack Phillips <pietflyr@bellsouth.net>wrote:
> pietflyr@bellsouth.net>
>
> This has not been a good week. First Gene Pennington and now Jack Cox.
>
> Jack Phillips
> NX899JP "Icarus Plummet"
> Raleigh, NC
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: eaa1114-request@safedataisp.net
> [mailto:eaa1114-request@safedataisp.net] On Behalf Of Kent Misegades
> Sent: Sunday, March 06, 2011 3:40 PM
> To: eaa1114-announce@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [eaa1114-announce] Jack Cox, EAA Icon, goes West
>
> Dear EAA friends,
>
> I am sorry to bring the sad news that our friend Jack Cox from Asheboro,
> NC has gone West.
>
> Jack, who with his wife Golda built the EAA's publications from a simple
> newsletter into what we know today, had struggled with health issues
> recently after retiring from the EAA some years ago. According to
> Golda, Jack passed away peacefully in his sleep.
>
> Jack did not wish to have any funeral service. I will however be making
> a few inquiries later this week and let you know of anything that might
> be planned.
>
> regards,
>
> Kent
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Real Airplane Engine |
Chuck, I had an 0235 in my Piper PA-16. It was a great engine, smooth,
quick acceleration. One problem they had was corrosion and pitting of the
cam when not flown often. My original factory engine suffered a cam
failure. Also, be sure to put in the crossover exhaust system. You'll get
7 more horsepower out of it. The original Piper engine log showed 108HP and
the original aircraft log showed 115HP. (The crossover exhaust was
classified as an airframe modification.) When you get it in, fly it
often...I always believed that the 8 day clock should never stop! Brad
Williams NX29Nx
On Sun, Mar 6, 2011 at 4:28 PM, Gene Rambo <generambo@msn.com> wrote:
> no straightening allowed!! The rest could save you a bundle, though.
>
> Gene
> do not archive
>
> ------------------------------
> From: cncampbell@windstream.net
> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Real Airplane Engine
> Date: Sun, 6 Mar 2011 17:15:53 -0500
>
>
> I am now the owner (won't say proud because I haven't even seen it yet) of
> a 100 HP, Lycoming O235-C engine. Several years ago it was in a
> sprayer/duster and the pilot had a nose up and the crank flange is bent.
> Anyone ever heard of straightening a bent flange or will I have to replace
> the crankshaft. The person who GAVE it to me didn't know. He bought the
> engine some time back and then decided not to use it and sold it. The new
> buyer decided not to use it and gave it back -- so my friend could give it
> to me without losing anything. The rest of the engine should be in pretty
> good condition -- it didn't have much time on it when it crashed. Anyone
> ever hear of an O235 engine being used in a Piet. I love Lycomings. I had
> an O260 in the PA22 that I rebuilt but didn't have to do anything to the
> engine. They probably don't develop the power that a comparable Continental
> does, but they will run forever. I want to disassemble it and take the
> parts to an engine person to see if it's worth trying to rebuild. Anyone
> know how to disassemble a Lycoming? Jack, if it turns out that I can use
> it, there goes the harsh words you were going to use on me for using a
> Corvair. Anybody have an O235 overhaul manual I can buy cheap? Chuck
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Jay Anderson, Cloudcars props......hot rod performance, and damn good
looking....
On Sun, Mar 6, 2011 at 4:47 PM, TriScout <apfelcyber@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> Finally had to get a used prop on Barnstormers. Zeus approves. Hope to be
> airborne soon. Sensenich has back order, since government is taking priority
> for the UAV's.
>
> Larry.. (Dallas theatre of operations)
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I have an old 0-235c1b myself.- I have an old O/H manual but don't want t
o sell it.- Look on e-bay I have seen them on there for sale in the past,
for a pretty reasonable price.- Just make sure to get one for the older
0-235C series, and not the-later 0-235 series, L2c etc.-manuals, (not s
ure what all is diferent inside).- Also I believe the Lycomings have more
power than the continentals.- If I recall correctly the smaller (older)
cont's were a mathmatical computation of Horse Power (theroetical rating),
where as the (Later) Lycomings were brake H.P, where they were actually mea
sured on a- brake, to measure actual output at the crank shaft.- The ly
c 0-235 is at least 40lbs heavier than the cont 0-200.
Shad
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--- On Sun, 3/6/11, Gene Rambo <generambo@msn.com> wrote:
From: Gene Rambo <generambo@msn.com>
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Real Airplane Engine
no straightening allowed!!- The rest could save you a bundle, though.
-
Gene
do not archive
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From: cncampbell@windstream.net
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Real Airplane Engine
I am now the owner (won't say proud because I haven't even seen it yet) of
a 100 HP, Lycoming O235-C engine.- Several years ago it was in a sprayer/
duster and the pilot had a nose up and the crank flange is bent.- Anyone
ever heard of-straightening a bent flange or will I have to replace the c
rankshaft.- The person who GAVE it to me didn't know.- He bought the en
gine some time back and then decided not to use it and sold it.- The new
buyer decided not to use it and gave it back -- so-my friend -could giv
e it to me without losing anything.- The rest of the engine should be in
pretty good condition -- it didn't have much time on it when it crashed.-
Anyone ever hear of an O235 engine being used in a Piet.- I love Lycomin
gs.- I had an O260 in the PA22 that I rebuilt but didn't have to do anyth
ing to the engine. They probably don't develop the power that a comparable
Continental does, but they will run forever.- I want to disassemble it an
d take
the parts to an engine person to see if it's worth trying to rebuild.- A
nyone know-how to disassemble a Lycoming?- Jack, if it turns out that I
can use it, there goes the harsh words you were going to use on me for usi
ng a Corvair.- Anybody have an O235 overhaul manual I can buy cheap?- C
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This is called, "The Wilson Test." Upon determining that the glove no longer
deflates, and all leaks have been dealt with, on cries out loudly, "WILSON!"
Upon hearing the uproar, usually The Wife sticks her nose curiously into the
garage, and you proudly announce that you have no leaks, after which She
will shrug, return to her housely activities, and leave you alone in proud
silence..
Many thanks to all who contributed info, but special thanks to Jim Markle,
who inspired me with his numerous pictures on Westcoastpiet.com.
Also, a very special note of thanks to Jack Phillips who sent me a very
detailed description of the process, and, maybe unwittingly, enabled me to
power my crowd-pleasing Corvair for approximately 3 hours!!...Thanks, Jack!!
Gary Boothe
Cool, Ca.
Pietenpol
WW Corvair Conversion, Running!
Tail done, Fuselage on gear, RIBS DONE!
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Beautiful, Larry! ...and the prop, too!
Gary
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of TriScout
Sent: Sunday, March 06, 2011 2:48 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Piets & Yorkies
Finally had to get a used prop on Barnstormers. Zeus approves. Hope to be
airborne soon. Sensenich has back order, since government is taking priority
for the UAV's.
Larry.. (Dallas theatre of operations)
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| Subject: | Real Airplane Engine |
Congratulations, Charles for turning away from the Dark Side!
I'm not terribly familiar with the O-235, but I have done some cylinder work
on the O-320 on my RV-4. Lycomings are assembled differently from
Continentals, but the overhaul manuals are well written and easy to follow.
You should be able to get an overhaul manual on ebay or just write to
Lycoming.
Gene is right - no straightening of the crank should be attempted. There is
an AD on Lycomings that require a tear down and inspection for ANY prop
strike. In addition to replacing the crank you should replace the dowel pin
that keys the cam drive gear to the crankshaft, and inspect the gears for
cracks.
Lycomings run rougher than Continentals, but they will run rough a lot
longer than a Continental will run smoothly. I think you'll be very happy
with it.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP "Icarus Plummet"
Raleigh, NC
_____
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Charles
Campbell
Sent: Sunday, March 06, 2011 5:16 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Real Airplane Engine
I am now the owner (won't say proud because I haven't even seen it yet) of a
100 HP, Lycoming O235-C engine. Several years ago it was in a
sprayer/duster and the pilot had a nose up and the crank flange is bent.
Anyone ever heard of straightening a bent flange or will I have to replace
the crankshaft. The person who GAVE it to me didn't know. He bought the
engine some time back and then decided not to use it and sold it. The new
buyer decided not to use it and gave it back -- so my friend could give it
to me without losing anything. The rest of the engine should be in pretty
good condition -- it didn't have much time on it when it crashed. Anyone
ever hear of an O235 engine being used in a Piet. I love Lycomings. I had
an O260 in the PA22 that I rebuilt but didn't have to do anything to the
engine. They probably don't develop the power that a comparable Continental
does, but they will run forever. I want to disassemble it and take the
parts to an engine person to see if it's worth trying to rebuild. Anyone
know how to disassemble a Lycoming? Jack, if it turns out that I can use
it, there goes the harsh words you were going to use on me for using a
Corvair. Anybody have an O235 overhaul manual I can buy cheap? Chuck
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| Subject: | Re: Real Airplane Engine |
Yer gettin' right close to breakin' vows there Jack!
Do not Archive.
On Mar 6, 2011, at 6:28 PM, Jack Phillips wrote:
> Congratulations, Charles for turning away from the Dark Side!
>
> I=92m not terribly familiar with the O-235, but I have done some
cylinder work on the O-320 on my RV-4. Lycomings are assembled
differently from Continentals, but the overhaul manuals are well written
and easy to follow. You should be able to get an overhaul manual on
ebay or just write to Lycoming.
>
> Gene is right ' no straightening of the crank should be attempted.
There is an AD on Lycomings that require a tear down and inspection for
ANY prop strike. In addition to replacing the crank you should replace
the dowel pin that keys the cam drive gear to the crankshaft, and
inspect the gears for cracks.
>
> Lycomings run rougher than Continentals, but they will run rough a lot
longer than a Continental will run smoothly. I think you=92ll be very
happy with it.
>
> Jack Phillips
> NX899JP =93Icarus Plummet=94
> Raleigh, NC
>
> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Charles
Campbell
> Sent: Sunday, March 06, 2011 5:16 PM
> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Real Airplane Engine
>
> I am now the owner (won't say proud because I haven't even seen it
yet) of a 100 HP, Lycoming O235-C engine. Several years ago it was in a
sprayer/duster and the pilot had a nose up and the crank flange is bent.
Anyone ever heard of straightening a bent flange or will I have to
replace the crankshaft. The person who GAVE it to me didn't know. He
bought the engine some time back and then decided not to use it and sold
it. The new buyer decided not to use it and gave it back -- so my
friend could give it to me without losing anything. The rest of the
engine should be in pretty good condition -- it didn't have much time on
it when it crashed. Anyone ever hear of an O235 engine being used in a
Piet. I love Lycomings. I had an O260 in the PA22 that I rebuilt but
didn't have to do anything to the engine. They probably don't develop
the power that a comparable Continental does, but they will run forever.
I want to disassemble it and take the parts to an engine person to see
if it's worth trying to rebuild. Anyone know how to disassemble a
Lycoming? Jack, if it turns out that I can use it, there goes the harsh
words you were going to use on me for using a Corvair. Anybody have an
O235 overhaul manual I can buy cheap? Chuck
>
>
> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List
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| Subject: | Real Airplane Engine |
I never mentioned the "C" word. You are simply reading into my words some
meaning that deep down you really feel.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP "Icarus Plummet"
Raleigh, NC
_____
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Kip and Beth
Gardner
Sent: Sunday, March 06, 2011 6:38 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Real Airplane Engine
Yer gettin' right close to breakin' vows there Jack!
Do not Archive.
On Mar 6, 2011, at 6:28 PM, Jack Phillips wrote:
Congratulations, Charles for turning away from the Dark Side!
I'm not terribly familiar with the O-235, but I have done some cylinder work
on the O-320 on my RV-4. Lycomings are assembled differently from
Continentals, but the overhaul manuals are well written and easy to follow.
You should be able to get an overhaul manual on ebay or just write to
Lycoming.
Gene is right - no straightening of the crank should be attempted. There is
an AD on Lycomings that require a tear down and inspection for ANY prop
strike. In addition to replacing the crank you should replace the dowel pin
that keys the cam drive gear to the crankshaft, and inspect the gears for
cracks.
Lycomings run rougher than Continentals, but they will run rough a lot
longer than a Continental will run smoothly. I think you'll be very happy
with it.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP "Icarus Plummet"
Raleigh, NC
_____
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Charles
Campbell
Sent: Sunday, March 06, 2011 5:16 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Real Airplane Engine
I am now the owner (won't say proud because I haven't even seen it yet) of a
100 HP, Lycoming O235-C engine. Several years ago it was in a
sprayer/duster and the pilot had a nose up and the crank flange is bent.
Anyone ever heard of straightening a bent flange or will I have to replace
the crankshaft. The person who GAVE it to me didn't know. He bought the
engine some time back and then decided not to use it and sold it. The new
buyer decided not to use it and gave it back -- so my friend could give it
to me without losing anything. The rest of the engine should be in pretty
good condition -- it didn't have much time on it when it crashed. Anyone
ever hear of an O235 engine being used in a Piet. I love Lycomings. I had
an O260 in the PA22 that I rebuilt but didn't have to do anything to the
engine. They probably don't develop the power that a comparable Continental
does, but they will run forever. I want to disassemble it and take the
parts to an engine person to see if it's worth trying to rebuild. Anyone
know how to disassemble a Lycoming? Jack, if it turns out that I can use
it, there goes the harsh words you were going to use on me for using a
Corvair. Anybody have an O235 overhaul manual I can buy cheap? Chuck
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thank you
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| Subject: | Re: M.Perez Hints videos |
John,
I myself have contemplated such things. My immediate reaction is anger and
frustration, mainly at the environment we all find ourselves in as a result
of Fu#@##$%%^^&&ing lawyers. I personally hate most, if not all of them. T
hey have essentially robbed all Americans of a very large portion of our fr
eedoms, all afraid of our collective shadows and stifling the proliferati
on of ingenuity and productivity. When I was compiling information and writ
ing the essay for my Prop-carving CD, I briefly had a mini panic attack wo
rrying about such things. Then I came to my senses, and shook it off, vowin
g not to let some potential scum-sucking lawyer rob me of my joy and peace.
As you can see this is a hot button for me. I have encountered these "out
of the blue" legal attacks more than once in my business, and FYI am underg
oing one as we speak. It is frustrating as hell to be an individual who jus
t strives to plod along and do the right things the right way, and get hit
by some unforeseen legal bullcrap from scum-sucking lawyers. I guess you ca
n tell I am a little upset over this issue. If I were Michael I would proce
ed as I wished, living my life as a Golden-Rule human being and leaving the
rest to the Almighty.
Dan Helsper
Puryear, TN. (officially moved our base of operations yesterday)
do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: FW: [eaa1114-announce] Jack Cox, EAA Icon, goes West |
Jack,
This is sad news. Way back in 1983 as I was just starting my industrrial se
wing business from my home. I had designed a military-style canvas tool bag
, and wanted to place a very small ad in the classified section in Sport Av
iation. I remember Golda assisting me with the placement of my 1" tall ad.
A very helpful individual as I am sure her husband was.
Dan Helsper
Puryear, TN.
-----Original Message-----
From: Jack Phillips <pietflyr@bellsouth.net>
Sent: Sun, Mar 6, 2011 4:40 pm
Subject: Pietenpol-List: FW: [eaa1114-announce] Jack Cox, EAA Icon, goes We
st
et>
This has not been a good week. First Gene Pennington and now Jack Cox.
Jack Phillips
X899JP "Icarus Plummet"
aleigh, NC
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ubject: [eaa1114-announce] Jack Cox, EAA Icon, goes West
Dear EAA friends,
I am sorry to bring the sad news that our friend Jack Cox from Asheboro,
C has gone West.
Jack, who with his wife Golda built the EAA's publications from a simple
ewsletter into what we know today, had struggled with health issues
ecently after retiring from the EAA some years ago. According to
olda, Jack passed away peacefully in his sleep.
Jack did not wish to have any funeral service. I will however be making
few inquiries later this week and let you know of anything that might
e planned.
regards,
Kent
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| Subject: | Re: M.Perez Hints videos |
Congratulations Dan!!!
On Sun, Mar 6, 2011 at 6:16 PM, <helspersew@aol.com> wrote:
> <snip>
>
Puryear, TN. (officially moved our base of operations yesterday)
>
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| Subject: | Re: M.Perez Hints videos |
I used to be in a National Guard unit where one of the pilots was a
lawyer in civilian life. He was running for a judgeship and asked me
for my support. I told him not to count on it and he asked, "Why." I
told him I would never vote for a member of any bar association for any
office. He indicated that lawyers were the only ones who could
understand the laws -- I said, "Bingo." I don't like them either.
----- Original Message -----
From: helspersew@aol.com
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, March 06, 2011 7:16 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: M.Perez Hints videos
John,
I myself have contemplated such things. My immediate reaction is anger
and frustration, mainly at the environment we all find ourselves in as a
result of Fu#@##$%%^^&&ing lawyers. I personally hate most, if not all
of them. They have essentially robbed all Americans of a very large
portion of our freedoms, all afraid of our collective shadows and
stifling the proliferation of ingenuity and productivity. When I was
compiling information and writing the essay for my Prop-carving CD, I
briefly had a mini panic attack worrying about such things. Then I came
to my senses, and shook it off, vowing not to let some potential
scum-sucking lawyer rob me of my joy and peace. As you can see this is a
hot button for me. I have encountered these "out of the blue" legal
attacks more than once in my business, and FYI am undergoing one as we
speak. It is frustrating as hell to be an individual who just strives to
plod along and do the right things the right way, and get hit by some
unforeseen legal bullcrap from scum-sucking lawyers. I guess you can
tell I am a little upset over this issue. If I were Michael I would
proceed as I wished, living my life as a Golden-Rule human being and
leaving the rest to the Almighty.
Dan Helsper
Puryear, TN. (officially moved our base of operations yesterday)
do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: Real Airplane Engine |
Jack, do you have any idea what it might cost me to get that O235
running?
----- Original Message -----
From: Jack Phillips
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, March 06, 2011 6:28 PM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Real Airplane Engine
Congratulations, Charles for turning away from the Dark Side!
I'm not terribly familiar with the O-235, but I have done some
cylinder work on the O-320 on my RV-4. Lycomings are assembled
differently from Continentals, but the overhaul manuals are well written
and easy to follow. You should be able to get an overhaul manual on
ebay or just write to Lycoming.
Gene is right - no straightening of the crank should be attempted.
There is an AD on Lycomings that require a tear down and inspection for
ANY prop strike. In addition to replacing the crank you should replace
the dowel pin that keys the cam drive gear to the crankshaft, and
inspect the gears for cracks.
Lycomings run rougher than Continentals, but they will run rough a lot
longer than a Continental will run smoothly. I think you'll be very
happy with it.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP "Icarus Plummet"
Raleigh, NC
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Charles
Campbell
Sent: Sunday, March 06, 2011 5:16 PM
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Real Airplane Engine
I am now the owner (won't say proud because I haven't even seen it
yet) of a 100 HP, Lycoming O235-C engine. Several years ago it was in a
sprayer/duster and the pilot had a nose up and the crank flange is bent.
Anyone ever heard of straightening a bent flange or will I have to
replace the crankshaft. The person who GAVE it to me didn't know. He
bought the engine some time back and then decided not to use it and sold
it. The new buyer decided not to use it and gave it back -- so my
friend could give it to me without losing anything. The rest of the
engine should be in pretty good condition -- it didn't have much time on
it when it crashed. Anyone ever hear of an O235 engine being used in a
Piet. I love Lycomings. I had an O260 in the PA22 that I rebuilt but
didn't have to do anything to the engine. They probably don't develop
the power that a comparable Continental does, but they will run forever.
I want to disassemble it and take the parts to an engine person to see
if it's worth trying to rebuild. Anyone know how to disassemble a
Lycoming? Jack, if it turns out that I can use it, there goes the harsh
words you were going to use on me for using a Corvair. Anybody have an
O235 overhaul manual I can buy cheap? Chuck
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Incidentally, I have reserved an N number for my Piet. It will be NX
10003. I reserved the lowest number having 5 digits that was available.
Chuck
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http://lmgtfy.com/?q=o-235+overhaul+cost
:)
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On Sun, Mar 6, 2011 at 6:56 PM, Charles Campbell
<cncampbell@windstream.net>wrote:
> Jack, do you have any idea what it might cost me to get that O235
> running?
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> *From:* Jack Phillips <pietflyr@bellsouth.net>
> *To:* pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> *Sent:* Sunday, March 06, 2011 6:28 PM
> *Subject:* RE: Pietenpol-List: Real Airplane Engine
>
> Congratulations, Charles for turning away from the Dark Side!
>
>
> I=92m not terribly familiar with the O-235, but I have done some cylinder
> work on the O-320 on my RV-4. Lycomings are assembled differently from
> Continentals, but the overhaul manuals are well written and easy to follo
w.
> You should be able to get an overhaul manual on ebay or just write to
> Lycoming.
>
>
> Gene is right ' no straightening of the crank should be attempted. The
re
> is an AD on Lycomings that require a tear down and inspection for ANY pro
p
> strike. In addition to replacing the crank you should replace the dowel
pin
> that keys the cam drive gear to the crankshaft, and inspect the gears for
> cracks.
>
>
> Lycomings run rougher than Continentals, but they will run rough a lot
> longer than a Continental will run smoothly. I think you=92ll be very ha
ppy
> with it.
>
>
> Jack Phillips
>
> NX899JP =93Icarus Plummet=94
>
> Raleigh, NC
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> *From:* owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:
> owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Charles Campbel
l
> *Sent:* Sunday, March 06, 2011 5:16 PM
> *To:* pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> *Subject:* Pietenpol-List: Real Airplane Engine
>
>
> I am now the owner (won't say proud because I haven't even seen it yet) o
f
> a 100 HP, Lycoming O235-C engine. Several years ago it was in a
> sprayer/duster and the pilot had a nose up and the crank flange is bent.
> Anyone ever heard of straightening a bent flange or will I have to replac
e
> the crankshaft. The person who GAVE it to me didn't know. He bought the
> engine some time back and then decided not to use it and sold it. The ne
w
> buyer decided not to use it and gave it back -- so my friend could give
it
> to me without losing anything. The rest of the engine should be in prett
y
> good condition -- it didn't have much time on it when it crashed. Anyone
> ever hear of an O235 engine being used in a Piet. I love Lycomings. I h
ad
> an O260 in the PA22 that I rebuilt but didn't have to do anything to the
> engine. They probably don't develop the power that a comparable Continent
al
> does, but they will run forever. I want to disassemble it and take the
> parts to an engine person to see if it's worth trying to rebuild. Anyone
> know how to disassemble a Lycoming? Jack, if it turns out that I can use
> it, there goes the harsh words you were going to use on me for using a
> Corvair. Anybody have an O235 overhaul manual I can buy cheap? Chuck
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Dan,
I don't disagree with your contempt for the trade, it does however make one
skidish in everything we publish of attempt to make available in the
market place and to the public. I have no affinity for the litigious nature of
our society howeve, I have seen that side and the thought of being taken to
the cleaners in a well intended offering is frightening at best. So I was
curious as to the liability such offerings may bring with them in the best
intent.
After many years in the safety consulting business and corporate America it
seems like each step requires sever scrutiny and concern with the thought
how can I be held liable for what appears to be in good intent.
I am asking the question and not advocating that he stop nor continue, its
more a curiosity on my part and he as the rest of us can do as we see fit
in the offering and or providing information to the public.
John
In a message dated 3/6/2011 7:19:08 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
helspersew@aol.com writes:
John,
I myself have contemplated such things. My immediate reaction is anger and
frustration, mainly at the environment we all find ourselves in as a
result of _Fu#@##$%%^^&&ing_ (mailto:Fu#@##$^^&&ing) lawyers. I personally hate
most, if not all of them. They have essentially robbed all Americans of a
very large portion of our freedoms, all afraid of our collective shadows
and stifling the proliferation of ingenuity and productivity. When I was
compiling information and writing the essay for my Prop-carving CD, I briefly
had a mini panic attack worrying about such things. Then I came to my
senses, and shook it off, vowing not to let some potential scum-sucking lawyer
rob me of my joy and peace. As you can see this is a hot button for me. I
have encountered these "out of the blue" legal attacks more than once in my
business, and FYI am undergoing one as we speak. It is frustrating as hell
to be an individual who just strives to plod along and do the right things
the right way, and get hit by some unforeseen legal bullcrap from
scum-sucking lawyers. I guess you can tell I am a little upset over this issue.
If
I were Michael I would proceed as I wished, living my life as a Golden-Rule
human being and leaving the rest to the Almighty.
Dan Helsper
Puryear, TN. (officially moved our base of operations yesterday)
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I am building with an 0235 C1B engine I plan to spent between 5 and 7000
on
it by the time its completely rebuilt. I hope that helped. I have ben tol
d
that if the flange is bent you're into a new crank. Just what the shop ha
s
said. BTW mine suffered a minimal prop strikee with no damage to the
engine. it set so long the internal corrosion took out the cam and tappet
s al
the rest is good with no run out. Just a matter of the rings,beqarings,se
als,
bolts and nuts, oil pumpgears and gaskets at a little more then 3 k for
the parts as I recall. ignition is another story. Mince came with the Ben
dix
shower of sparks mags and no box so I am planning on the slicks as the
replacement set.
John
In a message dated 3/6/2011 7:59:27 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
cncampbell@windstream.net writes:
Jack, do you have any idea what it might cost me to get that O235 running
?
----- Original Message -----
From: _Jack Phillips_ (mailto:pietflyr@bellsouth.net)
Sent: Sunday, March 06, 2011 6:28 PM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Real Airplane Engine
Congratulations, Charles for turning away from the Dark Side!
I=99m not terribly familiar with the O-235, but I have done some cy
linder
work on the O-320 on my RV-4. Lycomings are assembled differently from
Continentals, but the overhaul manuals are well written and easy to follo
w. You
should be able to get an overhaul manual on ebay or just write to
Lycoming.
Gene is right =93 no straightening of the crank should be attempted
. There
is an AD on Lycomings that require a tear down and inspection for ANY pro
p
strike. In addition to replacing the crank you should replace the dowel
pin that keys the cam drive gear to the crankshaft, and inspect the gears
for
cracks.
Lycomings run rougher than Continentals, but they will run rough a lot
longer than a Continental will run smoothly. I think you=99ll be
very happy
with it.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP =9CIcarus Plummet=9D
Raleigh, NC
____________________________________
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[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Charles
Campbell
Sent: Sunday, March 06, 2011 5:16 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Real Airplane Engine
I am now the owner (won't say proud because I haven't even seen it yet)
of
a 100 HP, Lycoming O235-C engine. Several years ago it was in a
sprayer/duster and the pilot had a nose up and the crank flange is bent.
Anyone
ever heard of straightening a bent flange or will I have to replace the
crankshaft. The person who GAVE it to me didn't know. He bought the eng
ine
some time back and then decided not to use it and sold it. The new buyer
decided not to use it and gave it back -- so my friend could give it to
me
without losing anything. The rest of the engine should be in pretty good
condition -- it didn't have much time on it when it crashed. Anyone ever
hear
of an O235 engine being used in a Piet. I love Lycomings. I had an O260
in
the PA22 that I rebuilt but didn't have to do anything to the engine. The
y
probably don't develop the power that a comparable Continental does, but
they will run forever. I want to disassemble it and take the parts to an
engine person to see if it's worth trying to rebuild. Anyone know how to
disassemble a Lycoming? Jack, if it turns out that I can use it, there
goes
the harsh words you were going to use on me for using a Corvair. Anybody
have an O235 overhaul manual I can buy cheap? Chuck
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Chuck, I just browsed E-bay, and there are a few 0-235c O/H manuals on ther
e for under 20-25 dollars.- One was only $14.- You will most likely wan
t to buy a illistruated parts mannual as well so you can check part #'s for
gaskets, gears etc that will be replaced at O/H.- Most of the 0-235C ser
ies have the 0-290D info in them as well, and "0-290D" is included in the t
itle on the cover.
-
Hope this helps,
Shad
p.s. their was a crankshaft for sale as well for $300 or so, with a few day
s left at auction=0A=0A=0A
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| Subject: | Re: FW: [eaa1114-announce] Jack Cox, EAA Icon, goes West |
Its been a crummy week for us, God bless those gone West and those they
leave behind
John
In a message dated 3/6/2011 5:53:08 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
rmueller23@gmail.com writes:
Damn it. Thanks for passing the word Jack....
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On Sun, Mar 6, 2011 at 4:37 PM, Jack Phillips <_pietflyr@bellsouth.net_
(mailto:pietflyr@bellsouth.net) > wrote:
<_pietflyr@bellsouth.net_ (mailto:pietflyr@bellsouth.net) >
This has not been a good week. First Gene Pennington and now Jack Cox.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP "Icarus Plummet"
Raleigh, NC
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Congratulations, Dan!!
Gary Boothe
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[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
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Sent: Sunday, March 06, 2011 4:16 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: M.Perez Hints videos
John,
I myself have contemplated such things. My immediate reaction is anger and
frustration, mainly at the environment we all find ourselves in as a result
of Fu#@##$%%^^ <mailto:Fu#@##$%%^^&&ing> &&ing lawyers. I personally hate
most, if not all of them. They have essentially robbed all Americans of a
very large portion of our freedoms, all afraid of our collective shadows and
stifling the proliferation of ingenuity and productivity. When I was
compiling information and writing the essay for my Prop-carving CD, I
briefly had a mini panic attack worrying about such things. Then I came to
my senses, and shook it off, vowing not to let some potential scum-sucking
lawyer rob me of my joy and peace. As you can see this is a hot button for
me. I have encountered these "out of the blue" legal attacks more than once
in my business, and FYI am undergoing one as we speak. It is frustrating as
hell to be an individual who just strives to plod along and do the right
things the right way, and get hit by some unforeseen legal bullcrap from
scum-sucking lawyers. I guess you can tell I am a little upset over this
issue. If I were Michael I would proceed as I wished, living my life as a
Golden-Rule human being and leaving the rest to the Almighty.
Dan Helsper
Puryear, TN. (officially moved our base of operations yesterday)
do not archive
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Thanks, Shad and all. I will check E-bay after I get the engine and
determine what I need. Sounds like about the same cost as to rebuild a
Corvair. I have figured roughly 5200 to build the Corvair (not counting
the 5th bearing -- I didn't have a price for that). I hope the mags are
OK. Someone mentioned about the same cost to rebuild an O235. We'll
see.
----- Original Message -----
From: shad bell
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, March 06, 2011 8:22 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Real Airplane Engine,manuals
Chuck, I just browsed E-bay, and there are a few 0-235c O/H
manuals on there for under 20-25 dollars. One was only $14. You will
most likely want to buy a illistruated parts mannual as well so you can
check part #'s for gaskets, gears etc that will be replaced at O/H.
Most of the 0-235C series have the 0-290D info in them as well, and
"0-290D" is included in the title on the cover.
Hope this helps,
Shad
p.s. their was a crankshaft for sale as well for $300 or so,
with a few days left at auction
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Are NX numbers still being issued? I was told that they were not. If they are,
can someone tell me how to request one? I know how to reserve a number, but
the NX variety were not available.
Chuck, perhaps you have held this one for a while?
--------
Mark Chouinard
Wings, Center Section and Empannage framed up - Working on Fuselage
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You request an N number and put the X in it when you put it on your Piet. As I
understand it, you can add the X if the design is over a certain number of years
old, 30 years I think. And the Pietenpol design is that....
I think it can be added instead of putting the "experimental aircraft" label all
over it....
There are a couple more detailed (and probably more accurate!) answers in the archives.
JM
-----Original Message-----
>From: K5YAC <hangar10@cox.net>
>Sent: Mar 6, 2011 8:18 PM
>To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: N number
>
>
>Are NX numbers still being issued? I was told that they were not. If they are,
can someone tell me how to request one? I know how to reserve a number, but
the NX variety were not available.
>
>Chuck, perhaps you have held this one for a while?
>
>--------
>Mark Chouinard
>Wings, Center Section and Empannage framed up - Working on Fuselage
>
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>Read this topic online here:
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The FAA does not issue NX numbers. If the design has been in existence for
30 years or more, the X can be added to the registration number, but the
Official number does not include the X. Thus if you want to look up my
airplane, for instance, search one of the databases such as Landings and
look for N899JP, not NX899JP. Try it:
http://www.landings.com/evird.acgi$pass*64406683!_h-www.landings.com/_landin
gs/pages/search/search_nnr.html
You just apply for the N number, and then paint it with the X. And if you
do paint the X with the rest of the number, you do not have to put the
"Experimental" in 2" letters in the cockpit. You do still have to have the
Passenger Warning saying that the aircraft is amateur built.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP "Icarus Plummet"
Raleigh, NC
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Sent: Sunday, March 06, 2011 9:18 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: N number
Are NX numbers still being issued? I was told that they were not. If they
are, can someone tell me how to request one? I know how to reserve a
number, but the NX variety were not available.
Chuck, perhaps you have held this one for a while?
--------
Mark Chouinard
Wings, Center Section and Empannage framed up - Working on Fuselage
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As I understamd the regs. The "X" is not in your registration. You put it
in. And yes you can still use the X See FAR 45.22
Doug Dever
In beautiful Stow Ohio
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: N number
> From: hangar10@cox.net
> Date: Sun=2C 6 Mar 2011 18:18:16 -0800
> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
>
>
> Are NX numbers still being issued? I was told that they were not. If they
are=2C can someone tell me how to request one? I know how to reserve a num
ber=2C but the NX variety were not available.
>
> Chuck=2C perhaps you have held this one for a while?
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Corky Corbett is a very clever and resourceful man, and he used
the wheels, brakes, and axles from an older Cessna 172 on the main landing gear
of NX41CC. The Skyhawk has been in production since 1955 and over 43,000
of them have been built. There are many, many of them in pieces in
salvage yards, and many more repair parts available for them. The
axles are very "standard" (if there is such a thing), so are the
wheels, brakes, tires, and other parts. As in "cheap and available".
41CC rolls on McCreary Aero Trainer 6.00-6 tires which run about $60 a pop
but I've only worn one out in five years of flying. Replacement brake
pads are available from all of the aircraft parts houses and the
Rapco ones are about twenty bucks a pair. I have pressed out the
old rivets, replaced the pads, and set new rivets on both mains for
about forty bucks and don't expect to have to do it again for another
five to seven years, or more (if I lay off the brakes!).
The brakes on 41CC were designed to stop and hold an airplane with twice
the gross weight and horsepower as my Air Camper, so as you can imagine
I don't have any problem stopping or holding the airplane but I've never
gotten the feeling that I was going to put it over on its nose by getting
on the brakes, either. Smooth, effective, and predictable.
Folks, when you're selecting hardware think like Bernard Pietenpol did.
You can either pick something that nobody else anywhere has on their
airplane and you will have to baby those parts for the rest of the airplane's
life, or else find something that everybody is familiar with and that
parts can be found for. There were almost 5 million Ford Model A cars
produced between 1927 and 1931, so Mr. Pietenpol was wise in selecting
the Ford engine for his early Air Campers. As to the Corvair that he used
on his later airplanes, there were several hundred thousand of those produced
in the years that he was still building and flying Corvair-powered Piets
(excluding the oddball and rare variant cars and vans), so again- he went
with something available, affordable, convenient, and well known in the marketplace.
Pick something you can find parts for and that you can afford.
Oscar Zuniga
Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
San Antonio, TX
website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
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| Subject: | Re: Arizona Piet People - Cactus Fly-In |
Rats, Missed it.
On Fri, Mar 4, 2011 at 10:53 PM, kevinpurtee <kevin.purtee@us.army.mil>wrote:
> kevin.purtee@us.army.mil>
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> If anyone's going to the Cactus fly-in at Casa Grande & would like to get a
> coke and talk piets, give me a call at 512-422-6371 after 10 or so on
> Saturday morning.
>
> Kevin
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> Kevin "Axel" Purtee
> NX899KP
> Austin/Georgetown, TX
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| Subject: | Re: M.Perez Hints videos |
Low Net Worth = No Lawsuit.
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Wow, thanks for the info fellas! I think I remember reading something about the
30 year requirement, but didn't realize that adding the X was still an available
option... I obviously thought... well, I don't know what I actually thought.
Ha ha!
Thanks again!
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Mark Chouinard
Wings, Center Section and Empannage framed up - Working on Fuselage
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| Subject: | Re: [eaa1114-announce] Jack Cox, EAA Icon, goes West |
I remember years ago reading articles by him in Sport Aviation. I always loved
the way he wrote. He had a great style that was uniquely his. You could also
tell he had a soft spot for the putt-putt type airplanes: Cubs, Champs, and especially
Piets. His April 1990 article in Sport Aviation "A Round Engine Pietenpol"
was a classic. When he started his quarterly magazine "Sportsman Pilot",
I subscribed immediately. I wasn't disappointed. There have been a number
of Pietenpols featured in that magazine over the years, with some of you guys
getting the honor of being recognized by Jack. The Pietenpol community has
lost a good friend. May he rest in peace.
Paul
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| Subject: | Re: [eaa1114-announce] Jack Cox, EAA Icon, goes West |
Darn. I didn't know the man, but I did speak to him once. I subscribed to his
magazine a couple of years ago on Jack's recommendation and have enjoyed reading
it. I'm sure he'll be missed by many.
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Mark Chouinard
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| Subject: | Re: drilling holes in the hstab & matching fittings |
You need a couple of these, second and third pics;
http://www.clifdawson.ca/Homepage4-10-06/Tools_and_Tips.html
Clif
> <keriannprice@hotmail.com>
> Another trick is to only drill holes in one fitting, then drill through
> the wood using that fitting. Then place the other fitting in-line and in
> position and then use the drilled holes in the wood to transfer them to
> it.
>
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| Subject: | Re: M.Perez Hints videos |
Lawyers would not be able to, or want to, proceed with
these humungous outragiously huge lawsuits if your
laws and judges were like ours here in Canada. Here,
mostly anyway, you're not likely to get more than any
costs that you can prove to have suffered and/or
future cost such as loss of work. "Pain and
suffering" is mostly discounted. You USians can and
do sue for P&S. That's where the unscrupulous get
you.
Clif
Dan,
I don't disagree with your contempt for the trade, it does however
make one skidish in everything we publish of attempt to make available
in the market place and to the public. I have no affinity for the
litigious nature of our society howeve, I have seen that side and the
thought of being taken to the cleaners in a well intended offering is
frightening at best. So I was curious as to the liability such offerings
may bring with them in the best intent.
After many years in the safety consulting business and corporate
America it seems like each step requires sever scrutiny and concern with
the thought how can I be held liable for what appears to be in good
intent.
I am asking the question and not advocating that he stop nor continue,
its more a curiosity on my part and he as the rest of us can do as we
see fit in the offering and or providing information to the public.
John
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| Subject: | Re: Real Airplane Engine,manuals |
Try here. I have the manuals, operating, overhaul and parts,
from them;
https://www.esscoaircraft.com/c-6986-lycoming-235-290-435-series.aspx
Clif
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