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1. 04:16 AM - Re: Re: N number (Charles Campbell)
2. 04:25 AM - Re: Real Airplane Engine,manuals (Charles Campbell)
3. 05:23 AM - Re: M.Perez Hints videos (Gene Rambo)
4. 06:05 AM - N number (Oscar Zuniga)
5. 06:12 AM - Re: M.Perez Hints videos (Doug Dever)
6. 06:12 AM - Jack Cox obit (Jack Phillips)
7. 06:17 AM - Re: N number (Gene Rambo)
8. 06:38 AM - Re: Real Airplane Engine,manuals (shad bell)
9. 06:43 AM - Re: Jack Cox obit (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC AEROSPACE CORP])
10. 06:56 AM - Re: M.Perez Hints videos (Gene Rambo)
11. 07:05 AM - Re: M.Perez Hints videos (Gene Rambo)
12. 08:09 AM - Re: M.Perez Hints videos (kevinpurtee)
13. 08:34 AM - Re: split landing gear (heavyliftpilot)
14. 08:36 AM - Re: Wilson Test (Rick Holland)
15. 09:42 AM - Re: ferrules for .090 hard wire (DOMIT)
16. 09:58 AM - Re: Wilson Test (Jim Markle)
17. 10:28 AM - Re: ferrules for .090 hard wire (Bill Church)
18. 01:19 PM - Re: Wilson Test (K5YAC)
19. 01:20 PM - Re: N number (Greg Cardinal)
20. 01:53 PM - Re: Re: Wilson Test (Jim Markle)
21. 02:14 PM - Re: N number (Bill Church)
22. 03:30 PM - Re: M.Perez Hints videos (Bill Church)
23. 03:54 PM - Re: Re: M.Perez Hints videos (helspersew@aol.com)
24. 04:09 PM - Re: Re: M.Perez Hints videos (Jim Markle)
25. 04:47 PM - Corvair Conversion (Charles Campbell)
26. 05:50 PM - Re: Re: M.Perez Hints videos (AMsafetyC@aol.com)
27. 07:11 PM - Re: N number (Kelly Klaus)
28. 07:20 PM - Re: Re: N number (Matthew VanDervort)
29. 07:20 PM - Re: Corvair Conversion (kevinpurtee)
30. 07:36 PM - Re: Re: Corvair Conversion (Matthew VanDervort)
31. 09:43 PM - Re: Corvair Conversion (shad bell)
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The number (in my case 10003) is reserved. Adding the X or not is your
choice. If you add the X then the word "Experimental" does not have to be
printed on the side of the airplane.
----- Original Message -----
From: "K5YAC" <hangar10@cox.net>
Sent: Sunday, March 06, 2011 9:18 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: N number
>
> Are NX numbers still being issued? I was told that they were not. If
> they are, can someone tell me how to request one? I know how to reserve a
> number, but the NX variety were not available.
>
> Chuck, perhaps you have held this one for a while?
>
> --------
> Mark Chouinard
> Wings, Center Section and Empannage framed up - Working on Fuselage
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=332993#332993
>
>
>
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Subject: | Re: Real Airplane Engine,manuals |
Thanks, Clif, I have added that link to my 'Favorites' list. Thanks
again. Chuck
----- Original Message -----
From: Clif Dawson
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Monday, March 07, 2011 2:31 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Real Airplane Engine,manuals
Try here. I have the manuals, operating, overhaul and parts,
from them;
https://www.esscoaircraft.com/c-6986-lycoming-235-290-435-series.aspx
Clif
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Subject: | M.Perez Hints videos |
OK=2C enough already. Speaking as one of those fu@#*&% lawyers=2C I have t
o point out that:
#1. When any one of you (or=2C god forbid=2C one of your family) is mowed d
own by a drunk driver or a Doctor cuts off the wrong arm=2C you will no dou
bt avail yourself of the closest lawyer=3B
#2. All of those "too absurd to be true" lawsuit stories on the internet ve
ry rarely are=2C if ever. Even when a kernel of truth is there=2C it is ne
ver the whole story=3B
#3. As for pain and suffering=2C any of you think you are only entitled to
actual lost income if your 4-year-old is killed in some horrible way by som
eone's stupidity? because there is none. As another example=2C a friend of
mine represented a guy in Florida who the press said was "allergic to his
waterbed." The manufacturer used lumber treated with formaldehyde=2C a str
ict no-no for anything you come into constant contact with (one of those pe
sky government "safety rules")=2C but they sanded off the formaldehyde warn
ing label (another "government rule") on purpose. He didn't know why he st
arted having headaches for the first few weeks. Today=2C and for the rest
of his life he drools and someone else feeds him and changes his diapers.
He is suffering=2C and so is his family.
#4. I don't actively practice anymore=2C but I am not ashamed of the proce
ss in this country where we choose to have the person causing the harm acco
untable for all of the consequesces=2C especially if the person doing the h
arm is making a profit. If it makes someone who sells instructional videos
(absolutely NOT pointing to Mike P=2C just using the example) be a little
more careful what they say=2C and how they present their credentials=2C the
n we are better for it. Suppose if Bingilis's books had absolutely WRONG i
nformation that someone followed to the letter and died as a result?
#5. Can someone explain to me the logic used to justify "tort reform" that
limiting the amount a person can collect in a lawsuit reduces "frivilous la
wsuits"? So . . . the person who won in court=2C and was by definition NOT
a frivilous lawsuit=2C loses out and THAT is somehow going to discourage f
rivilous lawsuits?? That is like spanking Jonnie when the kid next to him
misbehaves to teach the kid a lesson!
All this being said=2C I seriously doubt Mike is in any danger. I hope he
has a disclaimer=2C though. This is not to say=2C of course=2C that there
are not the occasional crooks out there=2C as in any field (aviation=2C any
one?)=2C but the process ain't broke.
Gene Rambo
do not archive
by the way=2C I was a defense attorney=2C not plaintiff
From: AMsafetyC@aol.com
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: M.Perez Hints videos
Dan=2C
I don't disagree with your contempt for the trade=2C it does however make o
ne skidish in everything we publish of attempt to make available in the mar
ket place and to the public. I have no affinity for the litigious nature of
our society howeve=2C I have seen that side and the thought of being taken
to the cleaners in a well intended offering is frightening at best. So I w
as curious as to the liability such offerings may bring with them in the be
st intent.
After many years in the safety consulting business and corporate America it
seems like each step requires sever scrutiny and concern with the thought
how can I be held liable for what appears to be in good intent.
I am asking the question and not advocating that he stop nor continue=2C it
s more a curiosity on my part and he as the rest of us can do as we see fit
in the offering and or providing information to the public.
John
In a message dated 3/6/2011 7:19:08 P.M. Eastern Standard Time=2C helsperse
w@aol.com writes:
John=2C
I myself have contemplated such things. My immediate reaction is anger and
frustration=2C mainly at the environment we all find ourselves in as a resu
lt of Fu#@##$%%^^&&ing lawyers. I personally hate most=2C if not all of the
m. They have essentially robbed all Americans of a very large portion of ou
r freedoms=2C all afraid of our collective shadows and stifling the proli
feration of ingenuity and productivity. When I was compiling information an
d writing the essay for my Prop-carving CD=2C I briefly had a mini panic at
tack worrying about such things. Then I came to my senses=2C and shook it
off=2C vowing not to let some potential scum-sucking lawyer rob me of my jo
y and peace. As you can see this is a hot button for me. I have encountered
these "out of the blue" legal attacks more than once in my business=2C and
FYI am undergoing one as we speak. It is frustrating as hell to be an indi
vidual who just strives to plod along and do the right things the right way
=2C and get hit by some unforeseen legal bullcrap from scum-sucking lawyers
. I guess you can tell I am a little upset over this issue. If I were Micha
el I would proceed as I wished=2C living my life as a Golden-Rule human bei
ng and leaving the rest to the Almighty.
Dan Helsper
Puryear=2C TN. (officially moved our base of operations yesterday)
do not archive
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ronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List
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tp://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/contribution
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Jack wrote:
>You do still have to have the Passenger Warning saying that
>the aircraft is amateur built.
Negative. Yet another reason to mark your Piet with the "NX-".
The "X" in the designator serves the same purpose as the
passenger warning, advising that it is an experimental aircraft.
My airplane does not have the passenger warning.
Oscar Zuniga
Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
San Antonio, TX
website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
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Subject: | M.Perez Hints videos |
Well said Gene=2C However in the past there were many outrageous settleme
nts=2C (the Piper Cub and The McDonalds hot coffee come to mind) but the sy
stem has pretty much fixed it's self. Juries are very reluctant to award h
uge settlements now.
Please do not archive.
Doug Dever
In beautiful Stow Ohio
From: generambo@msn.com
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: M.Perez Hints videos
OK=2C enough already. Speaking as one of those fu@#*&% lawyers=2C I have t
o point out that:
#1. When any one of you (or=2C god forbid=2C one of your family) is mowed d
own by a drunk driver or a Doctor cuts off the wrong arm=2C you will no dou
bt avail yourself of the closest lawyer=3B
#2. All of those "too absurd to be true" lawsuit stories on the internet ve
ry rarely are=2C if ever. Even when a kernel of truth is there=2C it is ne
ver the whole story=3B
#3. As for pain and suffering=2C any of you think you are only entitled to
actual lost income if your 4-year-old is killed in some horrible way by som
eone's stupidity? because there is none. As another example=2C a friend of
mine represented a guy in Florida who the press said was "allergic to his
waterbed." The manufacturer used lumber treated with formaldehyde=2C a str
ict no-no for anything you come into constant contact with (one of those pe
sky government "safety rules")=2C but they sanded off the formaldehyde warn
ing label (another "government rule") on purpose. He didn't know why he st
arted having headaches for the first few weeks. Today=2C and for the rest
of his life he drools and someone else feeds him and changes his diapers.
He is suffering=2C and so is his family.
#4. I don't actively practice anymore=2C but I am not ashamed of the proce
ss in this country where we choose to have the person causing the harm acco
untable for all of the consequesces=2C especially if the person doing the h
arm is making a profit. If it makes someone who sells instructional videos
(absolutely NOT pointing to Mike P=2C just using the example) be a little
more careful what they say=2C and how they present their credentials=2C the
n we are better for it. Suppose if Bingilis's books had absolutely WRONG i
nformation that someone followed to the letter and died as a result?
#5. Can someone explain to me the logic used to justify "tort reform" that
limiting the amount a person can collect in a lawsuit reduces "frivilous la
wsuits"? So . . . the person who won in court=2C and was by definition NOT
a frivilous lawsuit=2C loses out and THAT is somehow going to discourage f
rivilous lawsuits?? That is like spanking Jonnie when the kid next to him
misbehaves to teach the kid a lesson!
All this being said=2C I seriously doubt Mike is in any danger. I hope he
has a disclaimer=2C though. This is not to say=2C of course=2C that there
are not the occasional crooks out there=2C as in any field (aviation=2C any
one?)=2C but the process ain't broke.
Gene Rambo
do not archive
by the way=2C I was a defense attorney=2C not plaintiff
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Here is the Obituary for Jack Cox.
http://obituaries.news-record.com/obituaries/news-record/obituary.aspx?n=jus
tin-b-cox-jack
<http://obituaries.news-record.com/obituaries/news-record/obituary.aspx?n=ju
stin-b-cox-jack&pid=149118453> &pid=149118453
Jack Phillips
NX899JP "Icarus Plummet"
Raleigh, NC
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not so sure about that. I think you still have to put the passenger warnin
g=2C just not the word experimental on the side!!
Gene
> From: taildrags@hotmail.com
> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: N number
> Date: Mon=2C 7 Mar 2011 08:02:15 -0600
>
>
>
>
>
> Jack wrote:
>
> >You do still have to have the Passenger Warning saying that
> >the aircraft is amateur built.
>
> Negative. Yet another reason to mark your Piet with the "NX-".
> The "X" in the designator serves the same purpose as the
> passenger warning=2C advising that it is an experimental aircraft.
> My airplane does not have the passenger warning.
>
>
> Oscar Zuniga
> Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
> San Antonio=2C TX
> website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
>
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Subject: | Re: Real Airplane Engine,manuals |
Chuck, I am planning on having to cough up at least $7K for my rebuild, and
that is IF the all the lower end is repairable like crank, cam, rods and c
ase.- That is also hoping the cylinders can be hoaned and stay in limits,
and me doing all the assembly.-Looking at some a.d.'s and mandatory repl
cement parts for o/h it adds up quick.- New rod bolts and nuts alone will
require some overtime $$$ to pay for (I think they were somewhere in the $
60 per bolt range, so $480 or so for rod bolts alone.- Next would be a ca
rborator o/h, mag o/h and down the line.
-
I am all for certified engines, And I do agree with Jack P. on the terrain
vs engine choice.- I grew up here in the flatlands of Ohio, so flying-o
ver hostile terrain-with the Vair would pucker my cheeks.- But here in
the Midwest it doesn't bother me, just pay atention to the engine, don't fl
y if it's not "right", and keep it in good repair.
-
Shad
Do not archive.
--- On Sun, 3/6/11, Charles Campbell <cncampbell@windstream.net> wrote:
From: Charles Campbell <cncampbell@windstream.net>
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Real Airplane Engine,manuals
Thanks, Shad and all.- I will check E-bay after I get the engine and dete
rmine what I need.- Sounds like about the same cost as to rebuild a Corva
ir.- I have figured roughly 5200 to build the Corvair (not counting the 5
th bearing -- I didn't have a price for that).- I hope the mags are OK.
- Someone mentioned about the same cost to rebuild an O235.- We'll see.
----- Original Message -----
From: shad bell
Sent: Sunday, March 06, 2011 8:22 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Real Airplane Engine,manuals
Chuck, I just browsed E-bay, and there are a few 0-235c O/H manuals on ther
e for under 20-25 dollars.- One was only $14.- You will most likely wan
t to buy a illistruated parts mannual as well so you can check part #'s for
gaskets, gears etc that will be replaced at O/H.- Most of the 0-235C ser
ies have the 0-290D info in them as well, and "0-290D" is included in the t
itle on the cover.
-
Hope this helps,
Shad
p.s. their was a crankshaft for sale as well for $300 or so, with a few day
s left at auction
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What an incredible aviation author with encyclopedic knowledge of homebuilt
airplanes and antiques. Jack Cox was a very AVID supporter of
the Pietenpol movement and spearheaded a multi-page article about our 70th
Anniversary Gathering of Pietenpols at Oshkosh in 1999 and
fortunately Jack Phillips and I were able to with speak with Jack Cox and h
is wife Golda by Jack's Pietenpol in 2009 by Jack's Pietenpol.
Jack was a very humble and unassuming man but a powerful aviation author an
d editor in Chief of Sport Aviation magazine and contributing author
for many years as well as his own excellent magazine Sportsman Pilot of wh
ich I have the latest copy of in my car and was reading it over the weekend
.
Thank you for letting us know about Jack's passing. Thankfully though Ja
ck is gone his publications and articles will live on forever as a great tr
ibute to the legacy of his life.
Mike C.
PS-very much like the books and articles that Tony Bingelis wrote over the
years sharing his VAST knowledge of great advice on how to build experiment
al homebuilt aircraft.
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Subject: | M.Perez Hints videos |
the McDonald's example is a perfect one to make my point . . it was complet
ely legitimate=2C the woman got screwed royally by McDonalds and the press
(as evidenced by your statement) and the court. The true story is not wide
ly known=2C but it has come to represent the complete opposite from the tru
e facts.
The biggest part of the Piper case is a PART of the opinion where it held t
hat a tailwheel is an inherently dangerous design. I am not sure that part
has survived all of the appeals. The original ruling was wrong.
Gene
do not archive
From: chiefpepperhead@hotmail.com
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: M.Perez Hints videos
Well said Gene=2C However in the past there were many outrageous settleme
nts=2C (the Piper Cub and The McDonalds hot coffee come to mind) but the sy
stem has pretty much fixed it's self. Juries are very reluctant to award h
uge settlements now.
Please do not archive.
Doug Dever
In beautiful Stow Ohio
From: generambo@msn.com
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: M.Perez Hints videos
OK=2C enough already. Speaking as one of those fu@#*&% lawyers=2C I have t
o point out that:
#1. When any one of you (or=2C god forbid=2C one of your family) is mowed d
own by a drunk driver or a Doctor cuts off the wrong arm=2C you will no dou
bt avail yourself of the closest lawyer=3B
#2. All of those "too absurd to be true" lawsuit stories on the internet ve
ry rarely are=2C if ever. Even when a kernel of truth is there=2C it is ne
ver the whole story=3B
#3. As for pain and suffering=2C any of you think you are only entitled to
actual lost income if your 4-year-old is killed in some horrible way by som
eone's stupidity? because there is none. As another example=2C a friend of
mine represented a guy in Florida who the press said was "allergic to his
waterbed." The manufacturer used lumber treated with formaldehyde=2C a str
ict no-no for anything you come into constant contact with (one of those pe
sky government "safety rules")=2C but they sanded off the formaldehyde warn
ing label (another "government rule") on purpose. He didn't know why he st
arted having headaches for the first few weeks. Today=2C and for the rest
of his life he drools and someone else feeds him and changes his diapers.
He is suffering=2C and so is his family.
#4. I don't actively practice anymore=2C but I am not ashamed of the proce
ss in this country where we choose to have the person causing the harm acco
untable for all of the consequesces=2C especially if the person doing the h
arm is making a profit. If it makes someone who sells instructional videos
(absolutely NOT pointing to Mike P=2C just using the example) be a little
more careful what they say=2C and how they present their credentials=2C the
n we are better for it. Suppose if Bingilis's books had absolutely WRONG i
nformation that someone followed to the letter and died as a result?
#5. Can someone explain to me the logic used to justify "tort reform" that
limiting the amount a person can collect in a lawsuit reduces "frivilous la
wsuits"? So . . . the person who won in court=2C and was by definition NOT
a frivilous lawsuit=2C loses out and THAT is somehow going to discourage f
rivilous lawsuits?? That is like spanking Jonnie when the kid next to him
misbehaves to teach the kid a lesson!
All this being said=2C I seriously doubt Mike is in any danger. I hope he
has a disclaimer=2C though. This is not to say=2C of course=2C that there
are not the occasional crooks out there=2C as in any field (aviation=2C any
one?)=2C but the process ain't broke.
Gene Rambo
do not archive
by the way=2C I was a defense attorney=2C not plaintiff
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Subject: | M.Perez Hints videos |
PSS=2C neither of these were settlements=2C but judgements. As opposed to
outrageous=2C the jury originally gave the McDonald's woman ONE DAY'S INCOM
E from the sale of coffee at McDonald's=2C but that was reduced=2C and redu
ced=2C and she eventually barely paid her attorneys and recovered little.
Gene
do not archive
From: chiefpepperhead@hotmail.com
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: M.Perez Hints videos
Well said Gene=2C However in the past there were many outrageous settleme
nts=2C (the Piper Cub and The McDonalds hot coffee come to mind) but the sy
stem has pretty much fixed it's self. Juries are very reluctant to award h
uge settlements now.
Please do not archive.
Doug Dever
In beautiful Stow Ohio
From: generambo@msn.com
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: M.Perez Hints videos
OK=2C enough already. Speaking as one of those fu@#*&% lawyers=2C I have t
o point out that:
#1. When any one of you (or=2C god forbid=2C one of your family) is mowed d
own by a drunk driver or a Doctor cuts off the wrong arm=2C you will no dou
bt avail yourself of the closest lawyer=3B
#2. All of those "too absurd to be true" lawsuit stories on the internet ve
ry rarely are=2C if ever. Even when a kernel of truth is there=2C it is ne
ver the whole story=3B
#3. As for pain and suffering=2C any of you think you are only entitled to
actual lost income if your 4-year-old is killed in some horrible way by som
eone's stupidity? because there is none. As another example=2C a friend of
mine represented a guy in Florida who the press said was "allergic to his
waterbed." The manufacturer used lumber treated with formaldehyde=2C a str
ict no-no for anything you come into constant contact with (one of those pe
sky government "safety rules")=2C but they sanded off the formaldehyde warn
ing label (another "government rule") on purpose. He didn't know why he st
arted having headaches for the first few weeks. Today=2C and for the rest
of his life he drools and someone else feeds him and changes his diapers.
He is suffering=2C and so is his family.
#4. I don't actively practice anymore=2C but I am not ashamed of the proce
ss in this country where we choose to have the person causing the harm acco
untable for all of the consequesces=2C especially if the person doing the h
arm is making a profit. If it makes someone who sells instructional videos
(absolutely NOT pointing to Mike P=2C just using the example) be a little
more careful what they say=2C and how they present their credentials=2C the
n we are better for it. Suppose if Bingilis's books had absolutely WRONG i
nformation that someone followed to the letter and died as a result?
#5. Can someone explain to me the logic used to justify "tort reform" that
limiting the amount a person can collect in a lawsuit reduces "frivilous la
wsuits"? So . . . the person who won in court=2C and was by definition NOT
a frivilous lawsuit=2C loses out and THAT is somehow going to discourage f
rivilous lawsuits?? That is like spanking Jonnie when the kid next to him
misbehaves to teach the kid a lesson!
All this being said=2C I seriously doubt Mike is in any danger. I hope he
has a disclaimer=2C though. This is not to say=2C of course=2C that there
are not the occasional crooks out there=2C as in any field (aviation=2C any
one?)=2C but the process ain't broke.
Gene Rambo
do not archive
by the way=2C I was a defense attorney=2C not plaintiff
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Subject: | Re: M.Perez Hints videos |
I was wondering how long you could stand it, Gene.
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Kevin "Axel" Purtee
NX899KP
Austin/Georgetown, TX
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=333056#333056
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Subject: | Re: split landing gear |
Hi Raymond, thanks for the reply. I received my prints in the mail a few days
after my posting, and it turns out that the spruce strips the builder put underneath
isn't per print, and that is way there was some clearance issues. Thanks,
james t
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Yup, looks kinda like mine.
On Sun, Mar 6, 2011 at 4:16 PM, Gary Boothe <gboothe5@comcast.net> wrote:
>
>
> This is called, =93The Wilson Test.=94 Upon determining that the glove no
> longer deflates, and all leaks have been dealt with, on cries out loudly,
> =93WILSON!=94 Upon hearing the uproar, usually The Wife sticks her nose
> curiously into the garage, and you proudly announce that you have no leak
s,
> after which She will shrug, return to her housely activities, and leave y
ou
> alone in proud silence=85.
>
>
> Many thanks to all who contributed info, but special thanks to Jim Markle
,
> who inspired me with his numerous pictures on Westcoastpiet.com.
>
>
> Also, a very special note of thanks to Jack Phillips who sent me a very
> detailed description of the process, and, maybe unwittingly, enabled me t
o
> power my crowd-pleasing Corvair for approximately 3 hours!!...Thanks, Jac
k!!
>
>
> Gary Boothe
> Cool, Ca.
> Pietenpol
> WW Corvair Conversion, Running!
> Tail done, Fuselage on gear, RIBS DONE!
>
>
--
Rick Holland
Castle Rock, Colorado
"A Foolish Consistency is the Hobgoblin of Little Minds"
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Subject: | Re: ferrules for .090 hard wire |
There is a post (actually several) on The Aerodrome (WWI aviation site) by a guy
building a Fokker DVII replica that details how he did his...
For that matter he might be persueded to make some for you.
http://www.theaerodrome.com/forum/replica-aircraft/48060-building-d-vii-bits-10.html
You might have to be a member to access that section, not sure. Hope that is helpful!
--------
Brad "DOMIT" Smith
First rule of ground school: This is the ground... don't hit it going fast.
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Ha! WILSON... This is hilarious....and we JUST watched that movie recentl
y...
And thanks for the nice comment Gary!
One more thing: I've decided to abandon my welded lift struts and order (so
me day in the FAR distant future!) another set, and NOT do any welding next
time. All the talk about welding aluminum was very important information,
thanks to all.
Soooooo, I'll have several streamlined cabane pieces available if anyone wa
nts to go that route. I'm cutting up the lift struts into shorter pieces t
hat will be usable for the cabanes. I won't sell them but will ask only th
at you pay shipping.
http://www.carlsonaircraft.com/struts.html
These are the "small" struts. Attached is a picture of the strut material
sizing.
jm
-----Original Message-----
From: Rick Holland
Sent: Mar 7, 2011 11:33 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Wilson Test
Yup, looks kinda like mine.
On Sun, Mar 6, 2011 at 4:16 PM, Gary Boothe <gboothe5@comcast.net> wrote:
This is called, =9CThe Wilson Test.=9D Upon
determining that the glove no longer deflates, and all leaks have been deal
t
with, on cries out loudly, =9CWILSON!=9D
Upon hearing the uproar, usually The Wife sticks her nose curiously into th
e
garage, and you proudly announce that you have no leaks, after which She wi
ll
shrug, return to her housely activities, and leave you alone in proud silen
ce.
Many thanks to all who contributed info, but special thanks
to Jim Markle, who inspired me with his numerous pictures on Westcoastpiet.
com.
Also, a very special note of thanks to Jack Phillips who
sent me a very detailed description of the process, and, maybe unwittingly,
enabled me to power my crowd-pleasing Corvair for approximately 3
hours!!...Thanks, Jack!!
Gary Boothe
Cool,
Ca.
Pietenpol
WW
Corvair Conversion, Running!
Tail
done, Fuselage on gear, RIBS DONE!
--
Rick Holland
Castle Rock, Colorado
"A Foolish Consistency is the Hobgoblin of Little Minds"
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Subject: | Re: ferrules for .090 hard wire |
Here's a source for ferrules (for .102" and .08" wire):
http://www.blueswallowaircraft.com/html/sales_area.html
Bill C.
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Do you offer customer pickup? Or possibly delivery if the recipient springs for
dinner?
dfwplt wrote:
> Soooooo, I'll have several streamlined cabane pieces available if anyone wants
to go that route. I'm cutting up the lift struts into shorter pieces that will
be usable for the cabanes. I won't sell them but will ask only that you pay
shipping.
>
> jm--
--------
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Wings, Center Section and Empannage framed up - Working on Fuselage
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Gene is correct.
NX only negates the requirement to deface the side of your airplane with
the word EXPERIMENTAL.
The passenger warning placard is still required.
Greg Cardinal
----- Original Message -----
From: Gene Rambo
To: pietenpol-list
Sent: Monday, March 07, 2011 8:13 AM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: N number
not so sure about that. I think you still have to put the passenger
warning, just not the word experimental on the side!!
Gene
> From: taildrags@hotmail.com
> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: N number
> Date: Mon, 7 Mar 2011 08:02:15 -0600
>
<taildrags@hotmail.com>
>
>
>
> Jack wrote:
>
> >You do still have to have the Passenger Warning saying that
> >the aircraft is amateur built.
>
> Negative. Yet another reason to mark your Piet with the "NX-".
> The "X" in the designator serves the same purpose as the
> passenger warning, advising that it is an experimental aircraft.
> My airplane does not have the passenger warning.
>
>
> Oscar Zuniga
> Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
> San Antonio, TX
> website at
http://www.=====================
===>
>
>
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I might be over your way around Monday the 14th :-)
.....I'll bet we can work something out.....Dinner? I'm SURE we can work something
out...
jm
-----Original Message-----
>From: K5YAC <hangar10@cox.net>
>Sent: Mar 7, 2011 3:17 PM
>To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Wilson Test
>
>
>Do you offer customer pickup? Or possibly delivery if the recipient springs for
dinner?
>
>
>dfwplt wrote:
>> Soooooo, I'll have several streamlined cabane pieces available if anyone wants
to go that route. I'm cutting up the lift struts into shorter pieces that
will be usable for the cabanes. I won't sell them but will ask only that you
pay shipping.
>>
>> jm--
>
>
>--------
>Mark Chouinard
>Wings, Center Section and Empannage framed up - Working on Fuselage
>
>
>Read this topic online here:
>
>http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=333090#333090
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Just using a common sense approach, the passenger warning would seem to be even
MORE necessary if the only indication that the aircraft is in the experimental
category was the NX registration letters, as opposed to the 2" EXPERIMENTAL
sign that must be clearly visible to them as they enter the plane. It just doesn't
make sense that passengers would be expected to know what the letter X means.
Of course, common sense rarely comes into play in these matters. :)
Bill C.
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Subject: | Re: M.Perez Hints videos |
Getting back to John's original question, and relating specifically to Mike's Hint
videos, the website now states that the videos are for entertainment purposes,
and that the changes have not been flight tested or proven.
Now, I'm no attorney (I don't even play one on TV), but posting such a disclaimer
seems to be standard practice in such matters.
Sometimes even the obvious needs to be spelled out in no uncertain terms. For instance,
last week I had a package of peanuts that was labeled with a warning
that this product had been processed in a facility that processes peanuts and
other nuts. Well, duh, I thought... and then I realized that a person might be
allergic to other nuts, but not peanuts, and in THAT case, it would be very important
for them to know that those peanuts MIGHT be contaminated with other
nuts.
Bill C.
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Subject: | Re: M.Perez Hints videos |
My last word on the subject: My intense hatred of lawyers still stands. If
we had "loser pays" rules in effect, the number of lawsuits would go down b
y huge numbers. What does that tell you?
Dan Helsper
Puryear, TN.
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Subject: | Re: M.Perez Hints videos |
>Getting back to John's original question, and relating specifically to Mike's
Hint videos, the website now states that the videos are for entertainment purposes,
and that the changes have not been flight tested or proven.
>Now, I'm no attorney (I don't even play one on TV), but posting such a disclaimer
seems to be standard practice in such matters.
>Sometimes even the obvious needs to be spelled out in no uncertain terms. For
instance, last week I had a package of peanuts that was labeled with a warning
that this product had been processed in a facility that processes peanuts and
other nuts. Well, duh, I thought... and then I realized that a person might be
allergic to other nuts, but not peanuts, and in THAT case, it would be very
important for them to know that those peanuts MIGHT be contaminated with other
nuts.
"Contaminated with other nuts"? It's just wrong to temp someone with a "lead in"
like that....
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Subject: | Corvair Conversion |
Shad, I know from reading a lot of WW's stuff that you have been flying
behind a Corvair for quite some time. I know that some of that time had
to have been without the 5th bearing. Did you incorporate the 5th
bearing or are you still running it the way you built it? Appreciate
any information you can give me. I'm still not sure I want to shy away
from the 'vair. I have a list of items needed to rebuild the Corvair
and the total comes to 5238 including a Monnette Aero Carb, rebuilding
the heads, and nitriding the crank (but does not include the 5th
bearing). Even with the 5th bearing I don't think it will be much over
6400 I don't believe I can build the O235 for anywhere near that
little. I'm still going to tear it down and check everything.
----- Original Message -----
From: shad bell
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Monday, March 07, 2011 9:35 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Real Airplane Engine,manuals
Chuck, I am planning on having to cough up at least $7K for my
rebuild, and that is IF the all the lower end is repairable like crank,
cam, rods and case. That is also hoping the cylinders can be hoaned and
stay in limits, and me doing all the assembly. Looking at some a.d.'s
and mandatory replcement parts for o/h it adds up quick. New rod bolts
and nuts alone will require some overtime $$$ to pay for (I think they
were somewhere in the $60 per bolt range, so $480 or so for rod bolts
alone. Next would be a carborator o/h, mag o/h and down the line.
I am all for certified engines, And I do agree with Jack P. on
the terrain vs engine choice. I grew up here in the flatlands of Ohio,
so flying over hostile terrain with the Vair would pucker my cheeks.
But here in the Midwest it doesn't bother me, just pay atention to the
engine, don't fly if it's not "right", and keep it in good repair.
Shad
Do not archive.
--- On Sun, 3/6/11, Charles Campbell <cncampbell@windstream.net>
wrote:
From: Charles Campbell <cncampbell@windstream.net>
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Real Airplane Engine,manuals
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Date: Sunday, March 6, 2011, 9:04 PM
Thanks, Shad and all. I will check E-bay after I get the
engine and determine what I need. Sounds like about the same cost as to
rebuild a Corvair. I have figured roughly 5200 to build the Corvair
(not counting the 5th bearing -- I didn't have a price for that). I
hope the mags are OK. Someone mentioned about the same cost to rebuild
an O235. We'll see.
----- Original Message -----
From: shad bell
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, March 06, 2011 8:22 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Real Airplane Engine,manuals
Chuck, I just browsed E-bay, and there are a few
0-235c O/H manuals on there for under 20-25 dollars. One was only $14.
You will most likely want to buy a illistruated parts mannual as well so
you can check part #'s for gaskets, gears etc that will be replaced at
O/H. Most of the 0-235C series have the 0-290D info in them as well,
and "0-290D" is included in the title on the cover.
Hope this helps,
Shad
p.s. their was a crankshaft for sale as well for $300
or so, with a few days left at auction
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Subject: | Re: M.Perez Hints videos |
Thank you all for a likely debate of something that will never happen, I
hope?
Back in my MTV days, each show began with a warning about stunts being
performed by professionals and that they should not be tried at home. Each show
started with a big honkin disclaimer sign that was read at the top of
each episode airing. I am glad that Mike added one to his video series. Nice
Job Mike, in my never to be humble opinion "you can never protect yourself
too well, too much or too often".
I have worked as an expert witness in a few wrongful death claims also so I
am keenly aware that plaintiffs counsel is always attempting to identify
and name the location with the deepest pockets. Certainly it makes no sense
for a hot shot attorney to go after a Mike Perez. Especially when he can
go after an Acro Mitel, Carpenter or any other mill for manufacturing a sub
standard grades of stainless. For that matter any one in the supply chain,
intermediate steel supply or service center for putting it into the market
place. Then on to the retailer like an AS for selling it to a guy named
Mike Perez and although Mike Perez doesn't have two nickels to rub together he
is the launch ramp in the named line of plaintiffs et all in the poor and
destitute widow Johnson vs M Perez bad guy extraordinaire and his up line
cronies or wrong doing.
Not that, such a thing would or could ever happen, however it bares
consideration as M. Perez spends a fortune in legal fees to be released for the
claim of product liability. Where he is really not the focus he's just a guy
sharing his love with all who are willing to bare the price of admission.
As far fetched is it sounds, I am quite certain it could happen in our
society.
That being said, I will once again retreat into hibernation and await the
first vestiges of spring and the awakening of the bane of my existence the
yard from hell.
Nite all
John
Do not archive till after spring has sprung and the sound of the mower
breaches the sounds of mother natures creatures.and to all a good night.
foot note : me
In a message dated 3/7/2011 7:09:35 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
jim_markle@mindspring.com writes:
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Jim Markle
<jim_markle@mindspring.com>
>Getting back to John's original question, and relating specifically to
Mike's Hint videos, the website now states that the videos are for
entertainment purposes, and that the changes have not been flight tested or proven.
>Now, I'm no attorney (I don't even play one on TV), but posting such a
disclaimer seems to be standard practice in such matters.
>Sometimes even the obvious needs to be spelled out in no uncertain terms.
For instance, last week I had a package of peanuts that was labeled with a
warning that this product had been processed in a facility that processes
peanuts and other nuts. Well, duh, I thought... and then I realized that a
person might be allergic to other nuts, but not peanuts, and in THAT case,
it would be very important for them to know that those peanuts MIGHT be
contaminated with other nuts.
"Contaminated with other nuts"? It's just wrong to temp someone with a
"lead in" like that....
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Hi gang,
I'm glad this topic came up as last night I registered my N number for my Piet,
Macho Grande. N43KK. I spent some time looking through the FAA website on trying
to register N numbers and was discouraged when I read that they don't issue
the NX designation. But if Piet builders have that option, I plan on using NX43KK.
On a side note, here is me holding one side of my test fuse I had just pulled from
my Jig. I spent last night gluing, bradding, and fitting gussets.
--------
Kelly Klaus
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Your test fuse looks great! Although... I think we are going to want to know more
about the background in your pic!! At least I do :)
Sent from my iPhone
On Mar 7, 2011, at 10:09 PM, "Kelly Klaus" <kklaus1@austin.rr.com> wrote:
>
> Hi gang,
> I'm glad this topic came up as last night I registered my N number for my Piet,
Macho Grande. N43KK. I spent some time looking through the FAA website on trying
to register N numbers and was discouraged when I read that they don't issue
the NX designation. But if Piet builders have that option, I plan on using
NX43KK.
>
> On a side note, here is me holding one side of my test fuse I had just pulled
from my Jig. I spent last night gluing, bradding, and fitting gussets.
>
> --------
> Kelly Klaus
>
> do not archive.
>
>
>
>
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>
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Subject: | Re: Corvair Conversion |
Hi Chuck - For what it's worth: NX899KP, "Fat Bottomed Girl," is powered by a Corvair
engine, was first flown 9/09, and now has 180 hours on her. Between 9/09
and now, the airplane was hangared three hours away for 6 months, and I've
been away at school for 5 months. SO, I fly her an average of 15 hours a month
when I'm home. Those hours include the 2400 mile trip from Austin to Brodhead/Oshkosh
and back. Out of the handful of challenges on that trip, the engine
was not one of them. Now, I do aviation risk management on a daily basis, much
as you have. My entire flight, all 2400 miles, was flown over the midwest
with one huge forced landing area the whole way. Jack Phillips has darn fine
points about terrain.
Last time we flew I noticed a power drop. I mentioned that here when it happened.
I took the heads off last time I was home and found a damaged valve. I pulled
the other head and found a valve that looked rough on that side as well.
I had those heads done at a local car machine shop about 12 years ago. We did
not have the stable of talent to do that work then that we do now. Roy Sarafinski
(spelling?) has the heads and will re-work them to the current standard.
I'm also taking the opportunity to install a Weseman 5th bearing. There have
been enough problems with cranks that I passed my personal level of comfort
and have decided to opt for the additional support for the crankshaft. I feel
that the nitrided crank is probably adequate, but I'd like to go beyond adequate.
Seems to me the 5th bearing gives more tolerance for unusual loads on
the crank.
I've come to the conclusion that I'll have to spend a minimum of ~$7000 for any
aircraft engine. The head work and the 5th bearing puts me a little below that,
I think. My tune-ups and rebuilds are pretty cheap, though.
I'll let everyone know how the repair goes.
Kevin
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Kevin "Axel" Purtee
NX899KP
Austin/Georgetown, TX
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Sent from my iPhone
On Mar 7, 2011, at 10:18 PM, "kevinpurtee" <kevin.purtee@us.army.mil> wrote:
>
> Hi Chuck - For what it's worth: NX899KP, "Fat Bottomed Girl," is powered by a
Corvair engine, was first flown 9/09, and now has 180 hours on her. Between
9/09 and now, the airplane was hangared three hours away for 6 months, and I've
been away at school for 5 months. SO, I fly her an average of 15 hours a month
when I'm home. Those hours include the 2400 mile trip from Austin to Brodhead/Oshkosh
and back. Out of the handful of challenges on that trip, the engine
was not one of them. Now, I do aviation risk management on a daily basis,
much as you have. My entire flight, all 2400 miles, was flown over the midwest
with one huge forced landing area the whole way. Jack Phillips has darn fine
points about terrain.
>
> Last time we flew I noticed a power drop. I mentioned that here when it happened.
I took the heads off last time I was home and found a damaged valve. I
pulled the other head and found a valve that looked rough on that side as well.
I had those heads done at a local car machine shop about 12 years ago. We
did not have the stable of talent to do that work then that we do now. Roy Sarafinski
(spelling?) has the heads and will re-work them to the current standard.
I'm also taking the opportunity to install a Weseman 5th bearing. There
have been enough problems with cranks that I passed my personal level of comfort
and have decided to opt for the additional support for the crankshaft. I
feel that the nitrided crank is probably adequate, but I'd like to go beyond adequate.
Seems to me the 5th bearing gives more tolerance for unusual loads on
the crank.
>
> I've come to the conclusion that I'll have to spend a minimum of ~$7000 for any
aircraft engine. The head work and the 5th bearing puts me a little below
that, I think. My tune-ups and rebuilds are pretty cheap, though.
>
> I'll let everyone know how the repair goes.
>
> Kevin
>
> --------
> Kevin "Axel" Purtee
> NX899KP
> Austin/Georgetown, TX
>
>
>
>
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Subject: | Re: Corvair Conversion |
Chuck, We do not have a 5th bearing.- We had a crankshaft failure on the
1st engine at about 60hrs.- We had no problems for the 1st 50hrs or so, b
ut sure as hell as soon as we got 300 miles from home it started acting up.
- We were getting detonation and loosing power intermitintly.- We thoug
ht since it was a lean condition we would tear the carb down (at Joliet ILL
, and look for contamination, none found so put it back togeather and test
ran and test flew it.- It went about 2 hrs with no problems.- And then
while taking off for the last leg to Brodhead it did it again so it got tra
ilered 400 miles back home.- We went through the intake system, and did f
ind a few suspect joints (we were running a Vi Kappler oil bath intake and
tubes). We welded up a new intake without the oil bath and after test flyin
g an hr or so Dad headed for a local fly-in.- He made about 10 min and th
e crank let go.- He had to shut her down to keep the engine attatched and
glided into a wheat field with no further damage (besides his pants).- W
e tore it down again and rebuilt another engine with what good parts were l
eft.- We failed to notice a bad helicoil repair on a spark plug hole, and
burt a piston (on the ground during test runs) and pulled the head and the
n noticed the helicoil.- We put 6 new 1965 jugs on and some new heads and
havent had any more issues..knock knock.- The heliciol was sloppy and ha
d a small tang protruding into the combustion chamber and it was getting ho
t and acting like a glow plug.- With some monday morning Q/B 'ing- we n
oticed the radius on the crank journals were not very generous, and might h
ave contributed to the failure.- We had some hard lessons, learned a lot
and gladdly pass on any help we can, so others don't have a similar experia
nce.- My advise is have one of W.Wynes recomended shops do the heads, Mar
k at Falcon in wisconsin is supposed to be the guru, it is worth the money,
spend more now and save a lot later.- Other than that all I can say is f
ollow Wynne's book, and I would go with a 5th bearing if I had to rebuild t
his thing again.- 240+hrs and counting
-
Shad
-
P.S.- The 0-235 would be a nice engine, but would run from 7-10K to do a
complete by the book O/H, but they can go 2400hrs between O/H, $$ per hr mi
ght be comperable.
--- On Mon, 3/7/11, Charles Campbell <cncampbell@windstream.net> wrote:
From: Charles Campbell <cncampbell@windstream.net>
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Corvair Conversion
Shad, I know from reading a lot of WW's stuff that you have been flying beh
ind a Corvair for quite some time.- I know that some of that time had to
have been without the 5th bearing.- Did you incorporate the 5th bearing o
r are you still running it the way you built it?- Appreciate any informat
ion you can give me.- I'm still not sure I want to shy away from the 'vai
r.- I have a list of items needed to rebuild the Corvair and the total co
mes to 5238 including a Monnette Aero Carb, rebuilding the heads, and nitri
ding the crank (but does not include the 5th bearing).- Even with the 5th
bearing I don't think it will-be much over-6400- I don't believe I c
an build the O235 for anywhere near that little.- I'm still going to tear
it down and check everything.-
----- Original Message -----
From: shad bell
Sent: Monday, March 07, 2011 9:35 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Real Airplane Engine,manuals
Chuck, I am planning on having to cough up at least $7K for my rebuild, and
that is IF the all the lower end is repairable like crank, cam, rods and c
ase.- That is also hoping the cylinders can be hoaned and stay in limits,
and me doing all the assembly.-Looking at some a.d.'s and mandatory repl
cement parts for o/h it adds up quick.- New rod bolts and nuts alone will
require some overtime $$$ to pay for (I think they were somewhere in the $
60 per bolt range, so $480 or so for rod bolts alone.- Next would be a ca
rborator o/h, mag o/h and down the line.
-
I am all for certified engines, And I do agree with Jack P. on the terrain
vs engine choice.- I grew up here in the flatlands of Ohio, so flying-o
ver hostile terrain-with the Vair would pucker my cheeks.- But here in
the Midwest it doesn't bother me, just pay atention to the engine, don't fl
y if it's not "right", and keep it in good repair.
-
Shad
Do not archive.
--- On Sun, 3/6/11, Charles Campbell <cncampbell@windstream.net> wrote:
From: Charles Campbell <cncampbell@windstream.net>
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Real Airplane Engine,manuals
Thanks, Shad and all.- I will check E-bay after I get the engine and dete
rmine what I need.- Sounds like about the same cost as to rebuild a Corva
ir.- I have figured roughly 5200 to build the Corvair (not counting the 5
th bearing -- I didn't have a price for that).- I hope the mags are OK.
- Someone mentioned about the same cost to rebuild an O235.- We'll see.
----- Original Message -----
From: shad bell
Sent: Sunday, March 06, 2011 8:22 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Real Airplane Engine,manuals
Chuck, I just browsed E-bay, and there are a few 0-235c O/H manuals on ther
e for under 20-25 dollars.- One was only $14.- You will most likely wan
t to buy a illistruated parts mannual as well so you can check part #'s for
gaskets, gears etc that will be replaced at O/H.- Most of the 0-235C ser
ies have the 0-290D info in them as well, and "0-290D" is included in the t
itle on the cover.
-
Hope this helps,
Shad
p.s. their was a crankshaft for sale as well for $300 or so, with a few day
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