---------------------------------------------------------- Pietenpol-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Mon 03/07/11: 31 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 04:16 AM - Re: Re: N number (Charles Campbell) 2. 04:25 AM - Re: Real Airplane Engine,manuals (Charles Campbell) 3. 05:23 AM - Re: M.Perez Hints videos (Gene Rambo) 4. 06:05 AM - N number (Oscar Zuniga) 5. 06:12 AM - Re: M.Perez Hints videos (Doug Dever) 6. 06:12 AM - Jack Cox obit (Jack Phillips) 7. 06:17 AM - Re: N number (Gene Rambo) 8. 06:38 AM - Re: Real Airplane Engine,manuals (shad bell) 9. 06:43 AM - Re: Jack Cox obit (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC AEROSPACE CORP]) 10. 06:56 AM - Re: M.Perez Hints videos (Gene Rambo) 11. 07:05 AM - Re: M.Perez Hints videos (Gene Rambo) 12. 08:09 AM - Re: M.Perez Hints videos (kevinpurtee) 13. 08:34 AM - Re: split landing gear (heavyliftpilot) 14. 08:36 AM - Re: Wilson Test (Rick Holland) 15. 09:42 AM - Re: ferrules for .090 hard wire (DOMIT) 16. 09:58 AM - Re: Wilson Test (Jim Markle) 17. 10:28 AM - Re: ferrules for .090 hard wire (Bill Church) 18. 01:19 PM - Re: Wilson Test (K5YAC) 19. 01:20 PM - Re: N number (Greg Cardinal) 20. 01:53 PM - Re: Re: Wilson Test (Jim Markle) 21. 02:14 PM - Re: N number (Bill Church) 22. 03:30 PM - Re: M.Perez Hints videos (Bill Church) 23. 03:54 PM - Re: Re: M.Perez Hints videos (helspersew@aol.com) 24. 04:09 PM - Re: Re: M.Perez Hints videos (Jim Markle) 25. 04:47 PM - Corvair Conversion (Charles Campbell) 26. 05:50 PM - Re: Re: M.Perez Hints videos (AMsafetyC@aol.com) 27. 07:11 PM - Re: N number (Kelly Klaus) 28. 07:20 PM - Re: Re: N number (Matthew VanDervort) 29. 07:20 PM - Re: Corvair Conversion (kevinpurtee) 30. 07:36 PM - Re: Re: Corvair Conversion (Matthew VanDervort) 31. 09:43 PM - Re: Corvair Conversion (shad bell) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 04:16:29 AM PST US From: "Charles Campbell" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: N number The number (in my case 10003) is reserved. Adding the X or not is your choice. If you add the X then the word "Experimental" does not have to be printed on the side of the airplane. ----- Original Message ----- From: "K5YAC" Sent: Sunday, March 06, 2011 9:18 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: N number > > Are NX numbers still being issued? I was told that they were not. If > they are, can someone tell me how to request one? I know how to reserve a > number, but the NX variety were not available. > > Chuck, perhaps you have held this one for a while? > > -------- > Mark Chouinard > Wings, Center Section and Empannage framed up - Working on Fuselage > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=332993#332993 > > > ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 04:25:51 AM PST US From: "Charles Campbell" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Real Airplane Engine,manuals Thanks, Clif, I have added that link to my 'Favorites' list. Thanks again. Chuck ----- Original Message ----- From: Clif Dawson To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Monday, March 07, 2011 2:31 AM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Real Airplane Engine,manuals Try here. I have the manuals, operating, overhaul and parts, from them; https://www.esscoaircraft.com/c-6986-lycoming-235-290-435-series.aspx Clif ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 05:23:31 AM PST US From: Gene Rambo Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: M.Perez Hints videos OK=2C enough already. Speaking as one of those fu@#*&% lawyers=2C I have t o point out that: #1. When any one of you (or=2C god forbid=2C one of your family) is mowed d own by a drunk driver or a Doctor cuts off the wrong arm=2C you will no dou bt avail yourself of the closest lawyer=3B #2. All of those "too absurd to be true" lawsuit stories on the internet ve ry rarely are=2C if ever. Even when a kernel of truth is there=2C it is ne ver the whole story=3B #3. As for pain and suffering=2C any of you think you are only entitled to actual lost income if your 4-year-old is killed in some horrible way by som eone's stupidity? because there is none. As another example=2C a friend of mine represented a guy in Florida who the press said was "allergic to his waterbed." The manufacturer used lumber treated with formaldehyde=2C a str ict no-no for anything you come into constant contact with (one of those pe sky government "safety rules")=2C but they sanded off the formaldehyde warn ing label (another "government rule") on purpose. He didn't know why he st arted having headaches for the first few weeks. Today=2C and for the rest of his life he drools and someone else feeds him and changes his diapers. He is suffering=2C and so is his family. #4. I don't actively practice anymore=2C but I am not ashamed of the proce ss in this country where we choose to have the person causing the harm acco untable for all of the consequesces=2C especially if the person doing the h arm is making a profit. If it makes someone who sells instructional videos (absolutely NOT pointing to Mike P=2C just using the example) be a little more careful what they say=2C and how they present their credentials=2C the n we are better for it. Suppose if Bingilis's books had absolutely WRONG i nformation that someone followed to the letter and died as a result? #5. Can someone explain to me the logic used to justify "tort reform" that limiting the amount a person can collect in a lawsuit reduces "frivilous la wsuits"? So . . . the person who won in court=2C and was by definition NOT a frivilous lawsuit=2C loses out and THAT is somehow going to discourage f rivilous lawsuits?? That is like spanking Jonnie when the kid next to him misbehaves to teach the kid a lesson! All this being said=2C I seriously doubt Mike is in any danger. I hope he has a disclaimer=2C though. This is not to say=2C of course=2C that there are not the occasional crooks out there=2C as in any field (aviation=2C any one?)=2C but the process ain't broke. Gene Rambo do not archive by the way=2C I was a defense attorney=2C not plaintiff From: AMsafetyC@aol.com Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: M.Perez Hints videos Dan=2C I don't disagree with your contempt for the trade=2C it does however make o ne skidish in everything we publish of attempt to make available in the mar ket place and to the public. I have no affinity for the litigious nature of our society howeve=2C I have seen that side and the thought of being taken to the cleaners in a well intended offering is frightening at best. So I w as curious as to the liability such offerings may bring with them in the be st intent. After many years in the safety consulting business and corporate America it seems like each step requires sever scrutiny and concern with the thought how can I be held liable for what appears to be in good intent. I am asking the question and not advocating that he stop nor continue=2C it s more a curiosity on my part and he as the rest of us can do as we see fit in the offering and or providing information to the public. John In a message dated 3/6/2011 7:19:08 P.M. Eastern Standard Time=2C helsperse w@aol.com writes: John=2C I myself have contemplated such things. My immediate reaction is anger and frustration=2C mainly at the environment we all find ourselves in as a resu lt of Fu#@##$%%^^&&ing lawyers. I personally hate most=2C if not all of the m. They have essentially robbed all Americans of a very large portion of ou r freedoms=2C all afraid of our collective shadows and stifling the proli feration of ingenuity and productivity. When I was compiling information an d writing the essay for my Prop-carving CD=2C I briefly had a mini panic at tack worrying about such things. Then I came to my senses=2C and shook it off=2C vowing not to let some potential scum-sucking lawyer rob me of my jo y and peace. As you can see this is a hot button for me. I have encountered these "out of the blue" legal attacks more than once in my business=2C and FYI am undergoing one as we speak. It is frustrating as hell to be an indi vidual who just strives to plod along and do the right things the right way =2C and get hit by some unforeseen legal bullcrap from scum-sucking lawyers . I guess you can tell I am a little upset over this issue. If I were Micha el I would proceed as I wished=2C living my life as a Golden-Rule human bei ng and leaving the rest to the Almighty. Dan Helsper Puryear=2C TN. (officially moved our base of operations yesterday) do not archive t href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List">http://www.mat ronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List ms.matronics.com/">http://forums.matronics.com tp://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/contribution ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 06:05:33 AM PST US From: Oscar Zuniga Subject: Pietenpol-List: N number Jack wrote: >You do still have to have the Passenger Warning saying that >the aircraft is amateur built. Negative. Yet another reason to mark your Piet with the "NX-". The "X" in the designator serves the same purpose as the passenger warning, advising that it is an experimental aircraft. My airplane does not have the passenger warning. Oscar Zuniga Air Camper NX41CC "Scout" San Antonio, TX website at http://www.flysquirrel.net ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 06:12:11 AM PST US From: Doug Dever Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: M.Perez Hints videos Well said Gene=2C However in the past there were many outrageous settleme nts=2C (the Piper Cub and The McDonalds hot coffee come to mind) but the sy stem has pretty much fixed it's self. Juries are very reluctant to award h uge settlements now. Please do not archive. Doug Dever In beautiful Stow Ohio From: generambo@msn.com Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: M.Perez Hints videos OK=2C enough already. Speaking as one of those fu@#*&% lawyers=2C I have t o point out that: #1. When any one of you (or=2C god forbid=2C one of your family) is mowed d own by a drunk driver or a Doctor cuts off the wrong arm=2C you will no dou bt avail yourself of the closest lawyer=3B #2. All of those "too absurd to be true" lawsuit stories on the internet ve ry rarely are=2C if ever. Even when a kernel of truth is there=2C it is ne ver the whole story=3B #3. As for pain and suffering=2C any of you think you are only entitled to actual lost income if your 4-year-old is killed in some horrible way by som eone's stupidity? because there is none. As another example=2C a friend of mine represented a guy in Florida who the press said was "allergic to his waterbed." The manufacturer used lumber treated with formaldehyde=2C a str ict no-no for anything you come into constant contact with (one of those pe sky government "safety rules")=2C but they sanded off the formaldehyde warn ing label (another "government rule") on purpose. He didn't know why he st arted having headaches for the first few weeks. Today=2C and for the rest of his life he drools and someone else feeds him and changes his diapers. He is suffering=2C and so is his family. #4. I don't actively practice anymore=2C but I am not ashamed of the proce ss in this country where we choose to have the person causing the harm acco untable for all of the consequesces=2C especially if the person doing the h arm is making a profit. If it makes someone who sells instructional videos (absolutely NOT pointing to Mike P=2C just using the example) be a little more careful what they say=2C and how they present their credentials=2C the n we are better for it. Suppose if Bingilis's books had absolutely WRONG i nformation that someone followed to the letter and died as a result? #5. Can someone explain to me the logic used to justify "tort reform" that limiting the amount a person can collect in a lawsuit reduces "frivilous la wsuits"? So . . . the person who won in court=2C and was by definition NOT a frivilous lawsuit=2C loses out and THAT is somehow going to discourage f rivilous lawsuits?? That is like spanking Jonnie when the kid next to him misbehaves to teach the kid a lesson! All this being said=2C I seriously doubt Mike is in any danger. I hope he has a disclaimer=2C though. This is not to say=2C of course=2C that there are not the occasional crooks out there=2C as in any field (aviation=2C any one?)=2C but the process ain't broke. Gene Rambo do not archive by the way=2C I was a defense attorney=2C not plaintiff ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 06:12:13 AM PST US From: "Jack Phillips" Subject: Pietenpol-List: Jack Cox obit Here is the Obituary for Jack Cox. http://obituaries.news-record.com/obituaries/news-record/obituary.aspx?n=jus tin-b-cox-jack &pid=149118453 Jack Phillips NX899JP "Icarus Plummet" Raleigh, NC ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 06:17:08 AM PST US From: Gene Rambo Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: N number not so sure about that. I think you still have to put the passenger warnin g=2C just not the word experimental on the side!! Gene > From: taildrags@hotmail.com > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > Subject: Pietenpol-List: N number > Date: Mon=2C 7 Mar 2011 08:02:15 -0600 > > > > > > Jack wrote: > > >You do still have to have the Passenger Warning saying that > >the aircraft is amateur built. > > Negative. Yet another reason to mark your Piet with the "NX-". > The "X" in the designator serves the same purpose as the > passenger warning=2C advising that it is an experimental aircraft. > My airplane does not have the passenger warning. > > > Oscar Zuniga > Air Camper NX41CC "Scout" > San Antonio=2C TX > website at http://www.flysquirrel.net > =========== =========== =========== =========== > > > ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 06:38:56 AM PST US From: shad bell Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Real Airplane Engine,manuals Chuck, I am planning on having to cough up at least $7K for my rebuild, and that is IF the all the lower end is repairable like crank, cam, rods and c ase.- That is also hoping the cylinders can be hoaned and stay in limits, and me doing all the assembly.-Looking at some a.d.'s and mandatory repl cement parts for o/h it adds up quick.- New rod bolts and nuts alone will require some overtime $$$ to pay for (I think they were somewhere in the $ 60 per bolt range, so $480 or so for rod bolts alone.- Next would be a ca rborator o/h, mag o/h and down the line. - I am all for certified engines, And I do agree with Jack P. on the terrain vs engine choice.- I grew up here in the flatlands of Ohio, so flying-o ver hostile terrain-with the Vair would pucker my cheeks.- But here in the Midwest it doesn't bother me, just pay atention to the engine, don't fl y if it's not "right", and keep it in good repair. - Shad Do not archive. --- On Sun, 3/6/11, Charles Campbell wrote: From: Charles Campbell Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Real Airplane Engine,manuals Thanks, Shad and all.- I will check E-bay after I get the engine and dete rmine what I need.- Sounds like about the same cost as to rebuild a Corva ir.- I have figured roughly 5200 to build the Corvair (not counting the 5 th bearing -- I didn't have a price for that).- I hope the mags are OK. - Someone mentioned about the same cost to rebuild an O235.- We'll see. ----- Original Message ----- From: shad bell Sent: Sunday, March 06, 2011 8:22 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Real Airplane Engine,manuals Chuck, I just browsed E-bay, and there are a few 0-235c O/H manuals on ther e for under 20-25 dollars.- One was only $14.- You will most likely wan t to buy a illistruated parts mannual as well so you can check part #'s for gaskets, gears etc that will be replaced at O/H.- Most of the 0-235C ser ies have the 0-290D info in them as well, and "0-290D" is included in the t itle on the cover. - Hope this helps, Shad p.s. their was a crankshaft for sale as well for $300 or so, with a few day s left at auction href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List">http://www.matro nics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c =0A=0A=0A ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 06:43:34 AM PST US From: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC AEROSPACE CORP]" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Jack Cox obit What an incredible aviation author with encyclopedic knowledge of homebuilt airplanes and antiques. Jack Cox was a very AVID supporter of the Pietenpol movement and spearheaded a multi-page article about our 70th Anniversary Gathering of Pietenpols at Oshkosh in 1999 and fortunately Jack Phillips and I were able to with speak with Jack Cox and h is wife Golda by Jack's Pietenpol in 2009 by Jack's Pietenpol. Jack was a very humble and unassuming man but a powerful aviation author an d editor in Chief of Sport Aviation magazine and contributing author for many years as well as his own excellent magazine Sportsman Pilot of wh ich I have the latest copy of in my car and was reading it over the weekend .. Thank you for letting us know about Jack's passing. Thankfully though Ja ck is gone his publications and articles will live on forever as a great tr ibute to the legacy of his life. Mike C. PS-very much like the books and articles that Tony Bingelis wrote over the years sharing his VAST knowledge of great advice on how to build experiment al homebuilt aircraft. ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 06:56:12 AM PST US From: Gene Rambo Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: M.Perez Hints videos the McDonald's example is a perfect one to make my point . . it was complet ely legitimate=2C the woman got screwed royally by McDonalds and the press (as evidenced by your statement) and the court. The true story is not wide ly known=2C but it has come to represent the complete opposite from the tru e facts. The biggest part of the Piper case is a PART of the opinion where it held t hat a tailwheel is an inherently dangerous design. I am not sure that part has survived all of the appeals. The original ruling was wrong. Gene do not archive From: chiefpepperhead@hotmail.com Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: M.Perez Hints videos Well said Gene=2C However in the past there were many outrageous settleme nts=2C (the Piper Cub and The McDonalds hot coffee come to mind) but the sy stem has pretty much fixed it's self. Juries are very reluctant to award h uge settlements now. Please do not archive. Doug Dever In beautiful Stow Ohio From: generambo@msn.com Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: M.Perez Hints videos OK=2C enough already. Speaking as one of those fu@#*&% lawyers=2C I have t o point out that: #1. When any one of you (or=2C god forbid=2C one of your family) is mowed d own by a drunk driver or a Doctor cuts off the wrong arm=2C you will no dou bt avail yourself of the closest lawyer=3B #2. All of those "too absurd to be true" lawsuit stories on the internet ve ry rarely are=2C if ever. Even when a kernel of truth is there=2C it is ne ver the whole story=3B #3. As for pain and suffering=2C any of you think you are only entitled to actual lost income if your 4-year-old is killed in some horrible way by som eone's stupidity? because there is none. As another example=2C a friend of mine represented a guy in Florida who the press said was "allergic to his waterbed." The manufacturer used lumber treated with formaldehyde=2C a str ict no-no for anything you come into constant contact with (one of those pe sky government "safety rules")=2C but they sanded off the formaldehyde warn ing label (another "government rule") on purpose. He didn't know why he st arted having headaches for the first few weeks. Today=2C and for the rest of his life he drools and someone else feeds him and changes his diapers. He is suffering=2C and so is his family. #4. I don't actively practice anymore=2C but I am not ashamed of the proce ss in this country where we choose to have the person causing the harm acco untable for all of the consequesces=2C especially if the person doing the h arm is making a profit. If it makes someone who sells instructional videos (absolutely NOT pointing to Mike P=2C just using the example) be a little more careful what they say=2C and how they present their credentials=2C the n we are better for it. Suppose if Bingilis's books had absolutely WRONG i nformation that someone followed to the letter and died as a result? #5. Can someone explain to me the logic used to justify "tort reform" that limiting the amount a person can collect in a lawsuit reduces "frivilous la wsuits"? So . . . the person who won in court=2C and was by definition NOT a frivilous lawsuit=2C loses out and THAT is somehow going to discourage f rivilous lawsuits?? That is like spanking Jonnie when the kid next to him misbehaves to teach the kid a lesson! All this being said=2C I seriously doubt Mike is in any danger. I hope he has a disclaimer=2C though. This is not to say=2C of course=2C that there are not the occasional crooks out there=2C as in any field (aviation=2C any one?)=2C but the process ain't broke. Gene Rambo do not archive by the way=2C I was a defense attorney=2C not plaintiff ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 07:05:03 AM PST US From: Gene Rambo Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: M.Perez Hints videos PSS=2C neither of these were settlements=2C but judgements. As opposed to outrageous=2C the jury originally gave the McDonald's woman ONE DAY'S INCOM E from the sale of coffee at McDonald's=2C but that was reduced=2C and redu ced=2C and she eventually barely paid her attorneys and recovered little. Gene do not archive From: chiefpepperhead@hotmail.com Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: M.Perez Hints videos Well said Gene=2C However in the past there were many outrageous settleme nts=2C (the Piper Cub and The McDonalds hot coffee come to mind) but the sy stem has pretty much fixed it's self. Juries are very reluctant to award h uge settlements now. Please do not archive. Doug Dever In beautiful Stow Ohio From: generambo@msn.com Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: M.Perez Hints videos OK=2C enough already. Speaking as one of those fu@#*&% lawyers=2C I have t o point out that: #1. When any one of you (or=2C god forbid=2C one of your family) is mowed d own by a drunk driver or a Doctor cuts off the wrong arm=2C you will no dou bt avail yourself of the closest lawyer=3B #2. All of those "too absurd to be true" lawsuit stories on the internet ve ry rarely are=2C if ever. Even when a kernel of truth is there=2C it is ne ver the whole story=3B #3. As for pain and suffering=2C any of you think you are only entitled to actual lost income if your 4-year-old is killed in some horrible way by som eone's stupidity? because there is none. As another example=2C a friend of mine represented a guy in Florida who the press said was "allergic to his waterbed." The manufacturer used lumber treated with formaldehyde=2C a str ict no-no for anything you come into constant contact with (one of those pe sky government "safety rules")=2C but they sanded off the formaldehyde warn ing label (another "government rule") on purpose. He didn't know why he st arted having headaches for the first few weeks. Today=2C and for the rest of his life he drools and someone else feeds him and changes his diapers. He is suffering=2C and so is his family. #4. I don't actively practice anymore=2C but I am not ashamed of the proce ss in this country where we choose to have the person causing the harm acco untable for all of the consequesces=2C especially if the person doing the h arm is making a profit. If it makes someone who sells instructional videos (absolutely NOT pointing to Mike P=2C just using the example) be a little more careful what they say=2C and how they present their credentials=2C the n we are better for it. Suppose if Bingilis's books had absolutely WRONG i nformation that someone followed to the letter and died as a result? #5. Can someone explain to me the logic used to justify "tort reform" that limiting the amount a person can collect in a lawsuit reduces "frivilous la wsuits"? So . . . the person who won in court=2C and was by definition NOT a frivilous lawsuit=2C loses out and THAT is somehow going to discourage f rivilous lawsuits?? That is like spanking Jonnie when the kid next to him misbehaves to teach the kid a lesson! All this being said=2C I seriously doubt Mike is in any danger. I hope he has a disclaimer=2C though. This is not to say=2C of course=2C that there are not the occasional crooks out there=2C as in any field (aviation=2C any one?)=2C but the process ain't broke. Gene Rambo do not archive by the way=2C I was a defense attorney=2C not plaintiff ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 08:09:35 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: M.Perez Hints videos From: "kevinpurtee" I was wondering how long you could stand it, Gene. do not archive -------- Kevin "Axel" Purtee NX899KP Austin/Georgetown, TX Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=333056#333056 ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 08:34:35 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: split landing gear From: "heavyliftpilot" Hi Raymond, thanks for the reply. I received my prints in the mail a few days after my posting, and it turns out that the spruce strips the builder put underneath isn't per print, and that is way there was some clearance issues. Thanks, james t Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=333059#333059 ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 08:36:28 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Wilson Test From: Rick Holland Yup, looks kinda like mine. On Sun, Mar 6, 2011 at 4:16 PM, Gary Boothe wrote: > > > This is called, =93The Wilson Test.=94 Upon determining that the glove no > longer deflates, and all leaks have been dealt with, on cries out loudly, > =93WILSON!=94 Upon hearing the uproar, usually The Wife sticks her nose > curiously into the garage, and you proudly announce that you have no leak s, > after which She will shrug, return to her housely activities, and leave y ou > alone in proud silence=85. > > > Many thanks to all who contributed info, but special thanks to Jim Markle , > who inspired me with his numerous pictures on Westcoastpiet.com. > > > Also, a very special note of thanks to Jack Phillips who sent me a very > detailed description of the process, and, maybe unwittingly, enabled me t o > power my crowd-pleasing Corvair for approximately 3 hours!!...Thanks, Jac k!! > > > Gary Boothe > Cool, Ca. > Pietenpol > WW Corvair Conversion, Running! > Tail done, Fuselage on gear, RIBS DONE! > > -- Rick Holland Castle Rock, Colorado "A Foolish Consistency is the Hobgoblin of Little Minds" ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 09:42:56 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: ferrules for .090 hard wire From: "DOMIT" There is a post (actually several) on The Aerodrome (WWI aviation site) by a guy building a Fokker DVII replica that details how he did his... For that matter he might be persueded to make some for you. http://www.theaerodrome.com/forum/replica-aircraft/48060-building-d-vii-bits-10.html You might have to be a member to access that section, not sure. Hope that is helpful! -------- Brad "DOMIT" Smith First rule of ground school: This is the ground... don't hit it going fast. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=333065#333065 ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 09:58:37 AM PST US From: Jim Markle Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Wilson Test Ha! WILSON... This is hilarious....and we JUST watched that movie recentl y... And thanks for the nice comment Gary! One more thing: I've decided to abandon my welded lift struts and order (so me day in the FAR distant future!) another set, and NOT do any welding next time. All the talk about welding aluminum was very important information, thanks to all. Soooooo, I'll have several streamlined cabane pieces available if anyone wa nts to go that route. I'm cutting up the lift struts into shorter pieces t hat will be usable for the cabanes. I won't sell them but will ask only th at you pay shipping. http://www.carlsonaircraft.com/struts.html These are the "small" struts. Attached is a picture of the strut material sizing. jm -----Original Message----- From: Rick Holland Sent: Mar 7, 2011 11:33 AM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Wilson Test Yup, looks kinda like mine. On Sun, Mar 6, 2011 at 4:16 PM, Gary Boothe wrote: This is called, =9CThe Wilson Test.=9D Upon determining that the glove no longer deflates, and all leaks have been deal t with, on cries out loudly, =9CWILSON!=9D Upon hearing the uproar, usually The Wife sticks her nose curiously into th e garage, and you proudly announce that you have no leaks, after which She wi ll shrug, return to her housely activities, and leave you alone in proud silen ce. Many thanks to all who contributed info, but special thanks to Jim Markle, who inspired me with his numerous pictures on Westcoastpiet. com. Also, a very special note of thanks to Jack Phillips who sent me a very detailed description of the process, and, maybe unwittingly, enabled me to power my crowd-pleasing Corvair for approximately 3 hours!!...Thanks, Jack!! Gary Boothe Cool, Ca. Pietenpol WW Corvair Conversion, Running! Tail done, Fuselage on gear, RIBS DONE! -- Rick Holland Castle Rock, Colorado "A Foolish Consistency is the Hobgoblin of Little Minds" ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 10:28:44 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: ferrules for .090 hard wire From: "Bill Church" Here's a source for ferrules (for .102" and .08" wire): http://www.blueswallowaircraft.com/html/sales_area.html Bill C. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=333069#333069 ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 01:19:29 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Wilson Test From: "K5YAC" Do you offer customer pickup? Or possibly delivery if the recipient springs for dinner? dfwplt wrote: > Soooooo, I'll have several streamlined cabane pieces available if anyone wants to go that route. I'm cutting up the lift struts into shorter pieces that will be usable for the cabanes. I won't sell them but will ask only that you pay shipping. > > jm-- -------- Mark Chouinard Wings, Center Section and Empannage framed up - Working on Fuselage Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=333090#333090 ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 01:20:31 PM PST US From: "Greg Cardinal" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: N number Gene is correct. NX only negates the requirement to deface the side of your airplane with the word EXPERIMENTAL. The passenger warning placard is still required. Greg Cardinal ----- Original Message ----- From: Gene Rambo To: pietenpol-list Sent: Monday, March 07, 2011 8:13 AM Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: N number not so sure about that. I think you still have to put the passenger warning, just not the word experimental on the side!! Gene > From: taildrags@hotmail.com > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > Subject: Pietenpol-List: N number > Date: Mon, 7 Mar 2011 08:02:15 -0600 > > > > > Jack wrote: > > >You do still have to have the Passenger Warning saying that > >the aircraft is amateur built. > > Negative. Yet another reason to mark your Piet with the "NX-". > The "X" in the designator serves the same purpose as the > passenger warning, advising that it is an experimental aircraft. > My airplane does not have the passenger warning. > > > Oscar Zuniga > Air Camper NX41CC "Scout" > San Antonio, TX > website at http://www.===================== ===> > > ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 01:53:18 PM PST US From: Jim Markle Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Wilson Test I might be over your way around Monday the 14th :-) .....I'll bet we can work something out.....Dinner? I'm SURE we can work something out... jm -----Original Message----- >From: K5YAC >Sent: Mar 7, 2011 3:17 PM >To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com >Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Wilson Test > > >Do you offer customer pickup? Or possibly delivery if the recipient springs for dinner? > > >dfwplt wrote: >> Soooooo, I'll have several streamlined cabane pieces available if anyone wants to go that route. I'm cutting up the lift struts into shorter pieces that will be usable for the cabanes. I won't sell them but will ask only that you pay shipping. >> >> jm-- > > >-------- >Mark Chouinard >Wings, Center Section and Empannage framed up - Working on Fuselage > > >Read this topic online here: > >http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=333090#333090 > > ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 02:14:20 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: N number From: "Bill Church" Just using a common sense approach, the passenger warning would seem to be even MORE necessary if the only indication that the aircraft is in the experimental category was the NX registration letters, as opposed to the 2" EXPERIMENTAL sign that must be clearly visible to them as they enter the plane. It just doesn't make sense that passengers would be expected to know what the letter X means. Of course, common sense rarely comes into play in these matters. :) Bill C. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=333094#333094 ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 03:30:58 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: M.Perez Hints videos From: "Bill Church" Getting back to John's original question, and relating specifically to Mike's Hint videos, the website now states that the videos are for entertainment purposes, and that the changes have not been flight tested or proven. Now, I'm no attorney (I don't even play one on TV), but posting such a disclaimer seems to be standard practice in such matters. Sometimes even the obvious needs to be spelled out in no uncertain terms. For instance, last week I had a package of peanuts that was labeled with a warning that this product had been processed in a facility that processes peanuts and other nuts. Well, duh, I thought... and then I realized that a person might be allergic to other nuts, but not peanuts, and in THAT case, it would be very important for them to know that those peanuts MIGHT be contaminated with other nuts. Bill C. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=333104#333104 ________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ Time: 03:54:30 PM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: M.Perez Hints videos From: helspersew@aol.com My last word on the subject: My intense hatred of lawyers still stands. If we had "loser pays" rules in effect, the number of lawsuits would go down b y huge numbers. What does that tell you? Dan Helsper Puryear, TN. do not archive --> ________________________________ Message 24 ____________________________________ Time: 04:09:27 PM PST US From: Jim Markle Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: M.Perez Hints videos >Getting back to John's original question, and relating specifically to Mike's Hint videos, the website now states that the videos are for entertainment purposes, and that the changes have not been flight tested or proven. >Now, I'm no attorney (I don't even play one on TV), but posting such a disclaimer seems to be standard practice in such matters. >Sometimes even the obvious needs to be spelled out in no uncertain terms. For instance, last week I had a package of peanuts that was labeled with a warning that this product had been processed in a facility that processes peanuts and other nuts. Well, duh, I thought... and then I realized that a person might be allergic to other nuts, but not peanuts, and in THAT case, it would be very important for them to know that those peanuts MIGHT be contaminated with other nuts. "Contaminated with other nuts"? It's just wrong to temp someone with a "lead in" like that.... ________________________________ Message 25 ____________________________________ Time: 04:47:57 PM PST US From: "Charles Campbell" Subject: Pietenpol-List: Corvair Conversion Shad, I know from reading a lot of WW's stuff that you have been flying behind a Corvair for quite some time. I know that some of that time had to have been without the 5th bearing. Did you incorporate the 5th bearing or are you still running it the way you built it? Appreciate any information you can give me. I'm still not sure I want to shy away from the 'vair. I have a list of items needed to rebuild the Corvair and the total comes to 5238 including a Monnette Aero Carb, rebuilding the heads, and nitriding the crank (but does not include the 5th bearing). Even with the 5th bearing I don't think it will be much over 6400 I don't believe I can build the O235 for anywhere near that little. I'm still going to tear it down and check everything. ----- Original Message ----- From: shad bell To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Monday, March 07, 2011 9:35 AM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Real Airplane Engine,manuals Chuck, I am planning on having to cough up at least $7K for my rebuild, and that is IF the all the lower end is repairable like crank, cam, rods and case. That is also hoping the cylinders can be hoaned and stay in limits, and me doing all the assembly. Looking at some a.d.'s and mandatory replcement parts for o/h it adds up quick. New rod bolts and nuts alone will require some overtime $$$ to pay for (I think they were somewhere in the $60 per bolt range, so $480 or so for rod bolts alone. Next would be a carborator o/h, mag o/h and down the line. I am all for certified engines, And I do agree with Jack P. on the terrain vs engine choice. I grew up here in the flatlands of Ohio, so flying over hostile terrain with the Vair would pucker my cheeks. But here in the Midwest it doesn't bother me, just pay atention to the engine, don't fly if it's not "right", and keep it in good repair. Shad Do not archive. --- On Sun, 3/6/11, Charles Campbell wrote: From: Charles Campbell Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Real Airplane Engine,manuals To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Date: Sunday, March 6, 2011, 9:04 PM Thanks, Shad and all. I will check E-bay after I get the engine and determine what I need. Sounds like about the same cost as to rebuild a Corvair. I have figured roughly 5200 to build the Corvair (not counting the 5th bearing -- I didn't have a price for that). I hope the mags are OK. Someone mentioned about the same cost to rebuild an O235. We'll see. ----- Original Message ----- From: shad bell To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Sunday, March 06, 2011 8:22 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Real Airplane Engine,manuals Chuck, I just browsed E-bay, and there are a few 0-235c O/H manuals on there for under 20-25 dollars. One was only $14. You will most likely want to buy a illistruated parts mannual as well so you can check part #'s for gaskets, gears etc that will be replaced at O/H. Most of the 0-235C series have the 0-290D info in them as well, and "0-290D" is included in the title on the cover. Hope this helps, Shad p.s. their was a crankshaft for sale as well for $300 or so, with a few days left at auction href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List">http://www.mat ronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c " rel=nofollow target=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List et=_blank>http://forums.matronics.com llow target=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/contribution ________________________________ Message 26 ____________________________________ Time: 05:50:30 PM PST US From: AMsafetyC@aol.com Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: M.Perez Hints videos Thank you all for a likely debate of something that will never happen, I hope? Back in my MTV days, each show began with a warning about stunts being performed by professionals and that they should not be tried at home. Each show started with a big honkin disclaimer sign that was read at the top of each episode airing. I am glad that Mike added one to his video series. Nice Job Mike, in my never to be humble opinion "you can never protect yourself too well, too much or too often". I have worked as an expert witness in a few wrongful death claims also so I am keenly aware that plaintiffs counsel is always attempting to identify and name the location with the deepest pockets. Certainly it makes no sense for a hot shot attorney to go after a Mike Perez. Especially when he can go after an Acro Mitel, Carpenter or any other mill for manufacturing a sub standard grades of stainless. For that matter any one in the supply chain, intermediate steel supply or service center for putting it into the market place. Then on to the retailer like an AS for selling it to a guy named Mike Perez and although Mike Perez doesn't have two nickels to rub together he is the launch ramp in the named line of plaintiffs et all in the poor and destitute widow Johnson vs M Perez bad guy extraordinaire and his up line cronies or wrong doing. Not that, such a thing would or could ever happen, however it bares consideration as M. Perez spends a fortune in legal fees to be released for the claim of product liability. Where he is really not the focus he's just a guy sharing his love with all who are willing to bare the price of admission. As far fetched is it sounds, I am quite certain it could happen in our society. That being said, I will once again retreat into hibernation and await the first vestiges of spring and the awakening of the bane of my existence the yard from hell. Nite all John Do not archive till after spring has sprung and the sound of the mower breaches the sounds of mother natures creatures.and to all a good night. foot note : me In a message dated 3/7/2011 7:09:35 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, jim_markle@mindspring.com writes: --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Jim Markle >Getting back to John's original question, and relating specifically to Mike's Hint videos, the website now states that the videos are for entertainment purposes, and that the changes have not been flight tested or proven. >Now, I'm no attorney (I don't even play one on TV), but posting such a disclaimer seems to be standard practice in such matters. >Sometimes even the obvious needs to be spelled out in no uncertain terms. For instance, last week I had a package of peanuts that was labeled with a warning that this product had been processed in a facility that processes peanuts and other nuts. Well, duh, I thought... and then I realized that a person might be allergic to other nuts, but not peanuts, and in THAT case, it would be very important for them to know that those peanuts MIGHT be contaminated with other nuts. "Contaminated with other nuts"? It's just wrong to temp someone with a "lead in" like that.... ________________________________ Message 27 ____________________________________ Time: 07:11:50 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: N number From: "Kelly Klaus" Hi gang, I'm glad this topic came up as last night I registered my N number for my Piet, Macho Grande. N43KK. I spent some time looking through the FAA website on trying to register N numbers and was discouraged when I read that they don't issue the NX designation. But if Piet builders have that option, I plan on using NX43KK. On a side note, here is me holding one side of my test fuse I had just pulled from my Jig. I spent last night gluing, bradding, and fitting gussets. -------- Kelly Klaus do not archive. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=333128#333128 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/macho_grande_test1_109.jpg ________________________________ Message 28 ____________________________________ Time: 07:20:09 PM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: N number From: Matthew VanDervort Your test fuse looks great! Although... I think we are going to want to know more about the background in your pic!! At least I do :) Sent from my iPhone On Mar 7, 2011, at 10:09 PM, "Kelly Klaus" wrote: > > Hi gang, > I'm glad this topic came up as last night I registered my N number for my Piet, Macho Grande. N43KK. I spent some time looking through the FAA website on trying to register N numbers and was discouraged when I read that they don't issue the NX designation. But if Piet builders have that option, I plan on using NX43KK. > > On a side note, here is me holding one side of my test fuse I had just pulled from my Jig. I spent last night gluing, bradding, and fitting gussets. > > -------- > Kelly Klaus > > do not archive. > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=333128#333128 > > > > > Attachments: > > http://forums.matronics.com//files/macho_grande_test1_109.jpg > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 29 ____________________________________ Time: 07:20:28 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Corvair Conversion From: "kevinpurtee" Hi Chuck - For what it's worth: NX899KP, "Fat Bottomed Girl," is powered by a Corvair engine, was first flown 9/09, and now has 180 hours on her. Between 9/09 and now, the airplane was hangared three hours away for 6 months, and I've been away at school for 5 months. SO, I fly her an average of 15 hours a month when I'm home. Those hours include the 2400 mile trip from Austin to Brodhead/Oshkosh and back. Out of the handful of challenges on that trip, the engine was not one of them. Now, I do aviation risk management on a daily basis, much as you have. My entire flight, all 2400 miles, was flown over the midwest with one huge forced landing area the whole way. Jack Phillips has darn fine points about terrain. Last time we flew I noticed a power drop. I mentioned that here when it happened. I took the heads off last time I was home and found a damaged valve. I pulled the other head and found a valve that looked rough on that side as well. I had those heads done at a local car machine shop about 12 years ago. We did not have the stable of talent to do that work then that we do now. Roy Sarafinski (spelling?) has the heads and will re-work them to the current standard. I'm also taking the opportunity to install a Weseman 5th bearing. There have been enough problems with cranks that I passed my personal level of comfort and have decided to opt for the additional support for the crankshaft. I feel that the nitrided crank is probably adequate, but I'd like to go beyond adequate. Seems to me the 5th bearing gives more tolerance for unusual loads on the crank. I've come to the conclusion that I'll have to spend a minimum of ~$7000 for any aircraft engine. The head work and the 5th bearing puts me a little below that, I think. My tune-ups and rebuilds are pretty cheap, though. I'll let everyone know how the repair goes. Kevin -------- Kevin "Axel" Purtee NX899KP Austin/Georgetown, TX Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=333129#333129 ________________________________ Message 30 ____________________________________ Time: 07:36:44 PM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Corvair Conversion From: Matthew VanDervort Sent from my iPhone On Mar 7, 2011, at 10:18 PM, "kevinpurtee" wrote: > > Hi Chuck - For what it's worth: NX899KP, "Fat Bottomed Girl," is powered by a Corvair engine, was first flown 9/09, and now has 180 hours on her. Between 9/09 and now, the airplane was hangared three hours away for 6 months, and I've been away at school for 5 months. SO, I fly her an average of 15 hours a month when I'm home. Those hours include the 2400 mile trip from Austin to Brodhead/Oshkosh and back. Out of the handful of challenges on that trip, the engine was not one of them. Now, I do aviation risk management on a daily basis, much as you have. My entire flight, all 2400 miles, was flown over the midwest with one huge forced landing area the whole way. Jack Phillips has darn fine points about terrain. > > Last time we flew I noticed a power drop. I mentioned that here when it happened. I took the heads off last time I was home and found a damaged valve. I pulled the other head and found a valve that looked rough on that side as well. I had those heads done at a local car machine shop about 12 years ago. We did not have the stable of talent to do that work then that we do now. Roy Sarafinski (spelling?) has the heads and will re-work them to the current standard. I'm also taking the opportunity to install a Weseman 5th bearing. There have been enough problems with cranks that I passed my personal level of comfort and have decided to opt for the additional support for the crankshaft. I feel that the nitrided crank is probably adequate, but I'd like to go beyond adequate. Seems to me the 5th bearing gives more tolerance for unusual loads on the crank. > > I've come to the conclusion that I'll have to spend a minimum of ~$7000 for any aircraft engine. The head work and the 5th bearing puts me a little below that, I think. My tune-ups and rebuilds are pretty cheap, though. > > I'll let everyone know how the repair goes. > > Kevin > > -------- > Kevin "Axel" Purtee > NX899KP > Austin/Georgetown, TX > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=333129#333129 > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 31 ____________________________________ Time: 09:43:16 PM PST US From: shad bell Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Corvair Conversion Chuck, We do not have a 5th bearing.- We had a crankshaft failure on the 1st engine at about 60hrs.- We had no problems for the 1st 50hrs or so, b ut sure as hell as soon as we got 300 miles from home it started acting up. - We were getting detonation and loosing power intermitintly.- We thoug ht since it was a lean condition we would tear the carb down (at Joliet ILL , and look for contamination, none found so put it back togeather and test ran and test flew it.- It went about 2 hrs with no problems.- And then while taking off for the last leg to Brodhead it did it again so it got tra ilered 400 miles back home.- We went through the intake system, and did f ind a few suspect joints (we were running a Vi Kappler oil bath intake and tubes). We welded up a new intake without the oil bath and after test flyin g an hr or so Dad headed for a local fly-in.- He made about 10 min and th e crank let go.- He had to shut her down to keep the engine attatched and glided into a wheat field with no further damage (besides his pants).- W e tore it down again and rebuilt another engine with what good parts were l eft.- We failed to notice a bad helicoil repair on a spark plug hole, and burt a piston (on the ground during test runs) and pulled the head and the n noticed the helicoil.- We put 6 new 1965 jugs on and some new heads and havent had any more issues..knock knock.- The heliciol was sloppy and ha d a small tang protruding into the combustion chamber and it was getting ho t and acting like a glow plug.- With some monday morning Q/B 'ing- we n oticed the radius on the crank journals were not very generous, and might h ave contributed to the failure.- We had some hard lessons, learned a lot and gladdly pass on any help we can, so others don't have a similar experia nce.- My advise is have one of W.Wynes recomended shops do the heads, Mar k at Falcon in wisconsin is supposed to be the guru, it is worth the money, spend more now and save a lot later.- Other than that all I can say is f ollow Wynne's book, and I would go with a 5th bearing if I had to rebuild t his thing again.- 240+hrs and counting - Shad - P.S.- The 0-235 would be a nice engine, but would run from 7-10K to do a complete by the book O/H, but they can go 2400hrs between O/H, $$ per hr mi ght be comperable. --- On Mon, 3/7/11, Charles Campbell wrote: From: Charles Campbell Subject: Pietenpol-List: Corvair Conversion Shad, I know from reading a lot of WW's stuff that you have been flying beh ind a Corvair for quite some time.- I know that some of that time had to have been without the 5th bearing.- Did you incorporate the 5th bearing o r are you still running it the way you built it?- Appreciate any informat ion you can give me.- I'm still not sure I want to shy away from the 'vai r.- I have a list of items needed to rebuild the Corvair and the total co mes to 5238 including a Monnette Aero Carb, rebuilding the heads, and nitri ding the crank (but does not include the 5th bearing).- Even with the 5th bearing I don't think it will-be much over-6400- I don't believe I c an build the O235 for anywhere near that little.- I'm still going to tear it down and check everything.- ----- Original Message ----- From: shad bell Sent: Monday, March 07, 2011 9:35 AM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Real Airplane Engine,manuals Chuck, I am planning on having to cough up at least $7K for my rebuild, and that is IF the all the lower end is repairable like crank, cam, rods and c ase.- That is also hoping the cylinders can be hoaned and stay in limits, and me doing all the assembly.-Looking at some a.d.'s and mandatory repl cement parts for o/h it adds up quick.- New rod bolts and nuts alone will require some overtime $$$ to pay for (I think they were somewhere in the $ 60 per bolt range, so $480 or so for rod bolts alone.- Next would be a ca rborator o/h, mag o/h and down the line. - I am all for certified engines, And I do agree with Jack P. on the terrain vs engine choice.- I grew up here in the flatlands of Ohio, so flying-o ver hostile terrain-with the Vair would pucker my cheeks.- But here in the Midwest it doesn't bother me, just pay atention to the engine, don't fl y if it's not "right", and keep it in good repair. - Shad Do not archive. --- On Sun, 3/6/11, Charles Campbell wrote: From: Charles Campbell Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Real Airplane Engine,manuals Thanks, Shad and all.- I will check E-bay after I get the engine and dete rmine what I need.- Sounds like about the same cost as to rebuild a Corva ir.- I have figured roughly 5200 to build the Corvair (not counting the 5 th bearing -- I didn't have a price for that).- I hope the mags are OK. - Someone mentioned about the same cost to rebuild an O235.- We'll see. ----- Original Message ----- From: shad bell Sent: Sunday, March 06, 2011 8:22 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Real Airplane Engine,manuals Chuck, I just browsed E-bay, and there are a few 0-235c O/H manuals on ther e for under 20-25 dollars.- One was only $14.- You will most likely wan t to buy a illistruated parts mannual as well so you can check part #'s for gaskets, gears etc that will be replaced at O/H.- Most of the 0-235C ser ies have the 0-290D info in them as well, and "0-290D" is included in the t itle on the cover. - 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