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1. 12:21 AM - Re: Real Airplane Engine,manuals (Clif Dawson)
2. 02:54 AM - Re: N number (Kelly Klaus)
3. 04:14 AM - Re: N number (Jerry Dotson)
4. 05:03 AM - Re: Re: M.Perez Hints videos (Gene Rambo)
5. 05:35 AM - Re: Corvair Conversion (Charles Campbell)
6. 05:52 AM - Re: Re: N number (amsafetyc@aol.com)
7. 06:22 AM - Re: Re: M.Perez Hints videos (gboothe5@comcast.net)
8. 07:01 AM - Re: N number (Bill Church)
9. 08:35 AM - Re: Re: N number (amsafetyc@aol.com)
10. 09:03 AM - Floorboards and rudder pedals... (aerocarjake)
11. 09:04 AM - Re: Tell me how... (KM Heide CPO/FAAOP)
12. 09:19 AM - Re: Re: Tell me how... (Jim Markle)
13. 09:21 AM - Re: Tell me how... (kevinpurtee)
14. 09:21 AM - Re: Tell me how... (Piet2112)
15. 09:28 AM - Re: Tell me how... (Bill Church)
16. 09:31 AM - Re: N number (K5YAC)
17. 09:32 AM - Re: N number (K5YAC)
18. 09:37 AM - Re: Tell me how... (Piet2112)
19. 09:40 AM - Re: Floorboards and rudder pedals... (hvandervoo@aol.com)
20. 10:01 AM - Re: Re: Tell me how... (KM Heide CPO/FAAOP)
21. 10:02 AM - Re: Re: Tell me how... (Jack)
22. 10:06 AM - Re: Tell me how... (Bill Church)
23. 11:17 AM - Re: Real Airplane Engine,manuals (K5YAC)
24. 12:15 PM - Re: Re: N number (Charles Campbell)
25. 12:35 PM - Re: Tell me how... (Catdesigns)
26. 12:37 PM - Fw: corvair engine (Charles Campbell)
27. 12:59 PM - Re: Re: Tell me how... (KM Heide CPO/FAAOP)
28. 01:31 PM - Re: Tell me how... (Piet2112)
29. 04:27 PM - Re: Re: Tell me how... (helspersew@aol.com)
30. 05:01 PM - Re: Re: Tell me how... (Gene Rambo)
31. 05:01 PM - Re: Re: M.Perez Hints videos (Gene Rambo)
32. 08:26 PM - Re: Fw: corvair engine (Ryan Mueller)
33. 08:35 PM - Re: Re: M.Perez Hints videos (Doug Dever)
34. 09:00 PM - Re: Re: M.Perez Hints videos (Ryan Mueller)
35. 09:46 PM - Re: Fw: corvair engine (shad bell)
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| Subject: | Re: Real Airplane Engine,manuals |
You're welcome. Clif
Thanks, Clif, I have added that link to my 'Favorites' list. Thanks
again. Chuck
----- Original Message -----
Try here. I have the manuals, operating, overhaul and parts,
from them;
https://www.esscoaircraft.com/c-6986-lycoming-235-290-435-series.aspx
Clif
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Mathew, I'm a member of the Commemorative Air Force. The bomber behind me is our
B-25J Mitchell " Yellow Rose" wich Sat. we hung a rebuilt 2600 Wright-Cyclone
radial engine.
I noticed you're in Ohio, did you make it to the 68th annual Doolittle Reunion
last year at Wright-Pat field in Dayton? We took the Rose up there for the event.
We were one of 17 B-25s that made the trip, the largest gathering since WWII.
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Kelly Klaus
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Kelly the fuse half looks too good for a test. Looks like it needs to fly.
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Jerry Dotson
59 Daniel Johnson Rd
Baker, FL 32531
Started building NX510JD July, 2009
wing, tailfeathers done, fuselage rolling
using Lycoming O-235
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| Subject: | Re: M.Perez Hints videos |
so=2C loser pays?? Dan Helsper's family goes off a cliff because the brake
s are found to be defective on his Toyota Prius (the recall notice goes out
the next day and all others are fixed=2C thanks to Helsper discovering the
mistake). Dan sues Toyota=2C three years of protracted litigation later (
with Toyota's team of law firms billing close to millions) they successfull
y have his case dismissed for a mis-placed comma in a filing. Dan now owes
Toyota millions=2C even though they admit in pleadings that the brakes wer
e put in backwards.
No little guy would dare take on a corporation under such rules.
Gene
last word
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Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: M.Perez Hints videos
From: helspersew@aol.com
My last word on the subject: My intense hatred of lawyers still stands. If
we had "loser pays" rules in effect=2C the number of lawsuits would go down
by huge numbers. What does that tell you?
Dan Helsper
Puryear=2C TN.
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| Subject: | Re: Corvair Conversion |
Thanks, Shad. Nice write-up. As to the 2400 hours I would get on the
O-235, I would get possibly 200 - 300 of those hours and then someone
else would benefit from my 10 K. I'm thinking more of the Corvair every
passing minute. I'm looking into some Corvair parts, from a member of
the list, that would possibly save me some $. I'll let you know what
happens.
----- Original Message -----
From: shad bell
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, March 08, 2011 12:40 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Corvair Conversion
Chuck, We do not have a 5th bearing. We had a crankshaft
failure on the 1st engine at about 60hrs. We had no problems for the
1st 50hrs or so, but sure as hell as soon as we got 300 miles from home
it started acting up. We were getting detonation and loosing power
intermitintly. We thought since it was a lean condition we would tear
the carb down (at Joliet ILL, and look for contamination, none found so
put it back togeather and test ran and test flew it. It went about 2
hrs with no problems. And then while taking off for the last leg to
Brodhead it did it again so it got trailered 400 miles back home. We
went through the intake system, and did find a few suspect joints (we
were running a Vi Kappler oil bath intake and tubes). We welded up a new
intake without the oil bath and after test flying an hr or so Dad headed
for a local fly-in. He made about 10 min and the crank let go. He had
to shut her down to keep the engine attatched and glided into a wheat
field with no further damage (besides his pants). We tore it down again
and rebuilt another engine with what good parts were left. We failed to
notice a bad helicoil repair on a spark plug hole, and burt a piston (on
the ground during test runs) and pulled the head and then noticed the
helicoil. We put 6 new 1965 jugs on and some new heads and havent had
any more issues..knock knock. The heliciol was sloppy and had a small
tang protruding into the combustion chamber and it was getting hot and
acting like a glow plug. With some monday morning Q/B 'ing we noticed
the radius on the crank journals were not very generous, and might have
contributed to the failure. We had some hard lessons, learned a lot and
gladdly pass on any help we can, so others don't have a similar
experiance. My advise is have one of W.Wynes recomended shops do the
heads, Mark at Falcon in wisconsin is supposed to be the guru, it is
worth the money, spend more now and save a lot later. Other than that
all I can say is follow Wynne's book, and I would go with a 5th bearing
if I had to rebuild this thing again. 240+hrs and counting
Shad
P.S. The 0-235 would be a nice engine, but would run from 7-10K
to do a complete by the book O/H, but they can go 2400hrs between O/H,
$$ per hr might be comperable.
--- On Mon, 3/7/11, Charles Campbell <cncampbell@windstream.net>
wrote:
From: Charles Campbell <cncampbell@windstream.net>
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Corvair Conversion
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Date: Monday, March 7, 2011, 7:45 PM
Shad, I know from reading a lot of WW's stuff that you have
been flying behind a Corvair for quite some time. I know that some of
that time had to have been without the 5th bearing. Did you incorporate
the 5th bearing or are you still running it the way you built it?
Appreciate any information you can give me. I'm still not sure I want
to shy away from the 'vair. I have a list of items needed to rebuild
the Corvair and the total comes to 5238 including a Monnette Aero Carb,
rebuilding the heads, and nitriding the crank (but does not include the
5th bearing). Even with the 5th bearing I don't think it will be much
over 6400 I don't believe I can build the O235 for anywhere near that
little. I'm still going to tear it down and check everything.
----- Original Message -----
From: shad bell
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Monday, March 07, 2011 9:35 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Real Airplane Engine,manuals
Chuck, I am planning on having to cough up at least
$7K for my rebuild, and that is IF the all the lower end is repairable
like crank, cam, rods and case. That is also hoping the cylinders can
be hoaned and stay in limits, and me doing all the assembly. Looking at
some a.d.'s and mandatory replcement parts for o/h it adds up quick.
New rod bolts and nuts alone will require some overtime $$$ to pay for
(I think they were somewhere in the $60 per bolt range, so $480 or so
for rod bolts alone. Next would be a carborator o/h, mag o/h and down
the line.
I am all for certified engines, And I do agree with
Jack P. on the terrain vs engine choice. I grew up here in the
flatlands of Ohio, so flying over hostile terrain with the Vair would
pucker my cheeks. But here in the Midwest it doesn't bother me, just
pay atention to the engine, don't fly if it's not "right", and keep it
in good repair.
Shad
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--- On Sun, 3/6/11, Charles Campbell
<cncampbell@windstream.net> wrote:
From: Charles Campbell <cncampbell@windstream.net>
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Real Airplane
Engine,manuals
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Date: Sunday, March 6, 2011, 9:04 PM
Thanks, Shad and all. I will check E-bay after I
get the engine and determine what I need. Sounds like about the same
cost as to rebuild a Corvair. I have figured roughly 5200 to build the
Corvair (not counting the 5th bearing -- I didn't have a price for
that). I hope the mags are OK. Someone mentioned about the same cost
to rebuild an O235. We'll see.
----- Original Message -----
From: shad bell
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, March 06, 2011 8:22 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Real Airplane
Engine,manuals
Chuck, I just browsed E-bay, and there are a
few 0-235c O/H manuals on there for under 20-25 dollars. One was only
$14. You will most likely want to buy a illistruated parts mannual as
well so you can check part #'s for gaskets, gears etc that will be
replaced at O/H. Most of the 0-235C series have the 0-290D info in them
as well, and "0-290D" is included in the title on the cover.
Hope this helps,
Shad
p.s. their was a crankshaft for sale as well
for $300 or so, with a few days left at auction
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That's great, when I go to Monterey ma lllamo es queso grande
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Must be la familia grande
John
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-----Original message-----
From: Kelly Klaus <kklaus1@austin.rr.com>
Sent: Tue, Mar 8, 2011 03:12:40 GMT+00:00
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: N number
Hi gang,
I'm glad this topic came up as last night I registered my N number for my
Piet, Macho Grande. N43KK. I spent some time looking through the FAA website
on trying to register N numbers and was discouraged when I read that they
don't issue the NX designation. But if Piet builders have that option, I
plan on using NX43KK.
On a side note, here is me holding one side of my test fuse I had just
pulled from my Jig. I spent last night gluing, bradding, and fitting
gussets.
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Kelly Klaus
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| Subject: | Re: M.Perez Hints videos |
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Your llama is a big piece of cheese?
But only in Monterey? :)
> when I go to Monterey ma lllamo es queso grande
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The big cheese! Es meo
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From: Bill Church <billspiet@sympatico.ca>
Sent: Tue, Mar 8, 2011 15:01:41 GMT+00:00
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: N number
Your llama is a big piece of cheese?
But only in Monterey? :)
> when I go to Monterey ma lllamo es queso grande
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| Subject: | Floorboards and rudder pedals... |
Hope everyone has been enjoying building season as it sure has not been flying
season at least not in Seattle lately.
For those of you with wooden fuselages, you don't have to worry about floorboards
- the floorboards ARE the structure itself...! Well for the steel-tube version
I needed to look at floor design details from Cubs, Taylorcrafts, Wacos, etc...
My floorboards will be bolted to tabs that will get welded to the structure.
I laminated the floor panels a few months ago but had to revise them this past
weekend to fit them around the new rudder pedals and brake cylinders I got from
Aircraft Spruce.
Not all the joints are fully cluster welded yet but it's coming along...
Regards,
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Jake Schultz - curator,
Newport Way Air Museum (OK, it's just my home)
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| Subject: | Re: Tell me how... |
Members of the list:
I am ready to order the material for my rubber bar and forward controls. Please
tell me how to flatten the ends as seen in the plans. I think my way of doing
this (vise and torch) is not the best way.
Advice is well appreicated.
Village idiot...
KMHeide
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| Subject: | Re: Tell me how... |
One of the Tony B books has a really good description of the process. I think
I did it his way and as I recall it worked nice.....
-----Original Message-----
>From: KM Heide CPO/FAAOP <kmheidecpo@yahoo.com>
>Sent: Mar 8, 2011 11:01 AM
>To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Tell me how...
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>Members of the list:
>
>I am ready to order the material for my rubber bar and forward controls. Please
tell me how to flatten the ends as seen in the plans. I think my way of doing
this (vise and torch) is not the best way.
>
>Advice is well appreicated.
>
>Village idiot...
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>KMHeide
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| Subject: | Re: Tell me how... |
Vise and torch worked for me.
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Kevin "Axel" Purtee
NX899KP
Austin/Georgetown, TX
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| Subject: | Re: Tell me how... |
I was wondering the same thing. Except, I'm using 4130, not stainless or rubber.
Ken, you started it again!
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| Subject: | Re: Tell me how... |
Well, the plans call for cro-moly.
And there was talk of using stainless steel.
But...rubber? That's WAY too flexible! :)
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Wow! Love the B-25... my Grandpa flew them in the Pacific.
Oh, the fuse side look great too! :D
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Mark Chouinard
Wings, Center Section and Empannage framed up - Working on Fuselage
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Wow! Love the B-25... my Grandpa flew them in the Pacific.
Oh, the fuse side look great too! :D
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I was curious how to get the 1/2" 20ga. tube connecting the control sticks
flattened to one side. When I heat and squeeze the tubing, it tends to
uniformly come together like the ends of the rudder bar. I haven't tried
heat and a hammer.
I double checked, I couldn't find a rubber bar, but the plans do specifically
call for a Rubber stick grip on the control stick.
If that Kenyan's airplane will fly, I think Mike's will too... just use light
rudder control force.
Curt Merdan
Flower Mound, TX
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| Subject: | Re: Floorboards and rudder pedals... |
Jake,
I am currently building a steel tube fuselage Airplane
Recommended for lightweight floorboards is 032 sheet aluminum (2024)
Bolted to tabs, tabs welded to tubing with 12 inch spacing.
Rudder pedals and brake cylinders are mounted to tubing.
Hans
Waller, TX
NX 15KV
-----Original Message-----
From: aerocarjake <flight.jake@gmail.com>
Sent: Tue, Mar 8, 2011 11:03 am
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Floorboards and rudder pedals...
Hope everyone has been enjoying =C3=A2=C2=C2=9Cbuilding=C3=A2=C2=C2
=9D season as it sure has not been
=C2=C2=9Cflying=C3=A2=C2=C2=9D season =C3=A2=C2=C2=93 at least not
in Seattle lately.
For those of you with wooden fuselages, you don't have to worry about
loorboards - the floorboards ARE the structure itself...! Well for the
teel-tube version I needed to look at floor design details from Cubs,
aylorcrafts, Wacos, etc... My floorboards will be bolted to tabs that will
get
elded to the structure.
I laminated the floor panels a few months ago but had to revise them this p
ast
eekend to fit them around the new rudder pedals and brake cylinders I got f
rom
ircraft Spruce.
Not all the joints are fully cluster welded yet but it's coming along...
Regards,
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Bill....
Great Catch! Sorry everyone.... My post should say "rudder bar".... However, I
saved face by signing "villiage idiot"! tee-hee-hee.
KMHeide
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> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Tell me how...
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> Well, the plans call for cro-moly.
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Ken I've had good luck with a 12 ton press, no vise marks or concern about
the metal changing properties with heating. I also place a doubler in the
tube and weld the end shut. No problems with cracking yet. For a bend in
the center I place a support under the tube end. For a bend to one side I
place the tube flat on the arbor plate. Wish the tail fittings were as
easy!
Jack
DSM
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[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of KM Heide
CPO/FAAOP
Sent: Tuesday, March 08, 2011 11:01 AM
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Members of the list:
I am ready to order the material for my rubber bar and forward controls.
Please tell me how to flatten the ends as seen in the plans. I think my way
of doing this (vise and torch) is not the best way.
Advice is well appreicated.
Village idiot...
KMHeide
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Well, the plans call for cro-moly.
And there was talk of using stainless steel.
But...rubber? That's WAY too flexible! :)
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| Subject: | Re: Real Airplane Engine,manuals |
Here is another good source for airplane engine manuals.
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Mark Chouinard
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You do and you will clean it up!
----- Original Message -----
From: amsafetyc@aol.com
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, March 08, 2011 8:50 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: N number
That's great, when I go to Monterey ma lllamo es queso grande
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Must be la familia grande
John
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From: Kelly Klaus <kklaus1@austin.rr.com>
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Tue, Mar 8, 2011 03:12:40 GMT+00:00
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: N number
Hi gang,
I'm glad this topic came up as last night I registered my N number
for my Piet, Macho Grande. N43KK. I spent some time looking through the
FAA website on trying to register N numbers and was discouraged when I
read that they don't issue the NX designation. But if Piet builders have
that option, I plan on using NX43KK.
On a side note, here is me holding one side of my test fuse I had
just pulled from my Jig. I spent last night gluing, bradding, and
fitting gussets.
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Kelly Klaus
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Seeing as the Village Idiot has trouble with words, maybe a picture will help.
Chris
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Sacramento, CA
WestCoastPiet.com
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From: nanapapa2000
Sent: Tuesday, March 08, 2011 9:14 AM
Subject: corvair engine
i see by your post on the piet list you are looking at corvair engines.
i have a engine that was put together at the aeromax shop and run on
their test stand for 2 hours with good temps and oil press. no leaks. if
you go to aeromaxaviation.com and look at the fb100 you will get all the
info. i am asking 7500.00 fob GAINESVILLE FL .please share this info .
Thanks
John Whitman
352 339 1154 cell
352 472 5763 hm
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Excellent Chris...
Thank You!
Ken H
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Thanks Chris, a picture is worth a thousand misspelled words.
Curt Merdan
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Very nice Chris. Thank you for taking the time to draw this up and show the
assembled. This is definitely the right way to do it.
Dan Helsper
Puryear, TN
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From: Catdesigns <Catdesigns@att.net>
Sent: Tue, Mar 8, 2011 2:35 pm
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Tell me how...
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lp.
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Dan=2C please call me=2C your phone number has changed since you moved to T
enn (now a McDonalds has the number=2C LOL) (not law related)
Gene
202-674-1445
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From: helspersew@aol.com
Very nice Chris. Thank you for taking the time to draw this up and show the
assembled. This is definitely the right way to do it.
Dan Helsper
Puryear=2C TN
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| Subject: | Re: M.Perez Hints videos |
The string got started saying all lawyers and all lawsuits are bad=2C not s
pecifically that lawyers charge too much. Not sure what everyone on here d
oes for a living=2C but for whatever it is there is at least one person say
ing it costs too much. Besides=2C costs are not always necessarily lawyers
fees. There are LOTS of outrageous costs in litigation that do not go to
the lawyers.
Gene
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From: gboothe5@comcast.net
"...teams of law firms billing millions..."? Isn't that how this string got
started? I think you just made Dan's case...
Gary Boothe
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so=2C loser pays?? =3B Dan Helsper's family goes off a cliff because th
= e =3Bbrakes are found to be defective on his Toyota Prius (the recall
n= otice goes out the next day and all others are fixed=2C thanks to H
elsper d= iscovering the mistake). =3B Dan sues Toyota=2C three years
of protract= ed litigation later (with Toyota's team of law firms billin
g close to milli= ons) they successfully have his case dismissed for a mi
s-placed comma in a = filing. =3B Dan now owes Toyota millions=2C eve
n though they admit in p= leadings that the brakes were put in backwards.
=3B
No little guy would dare take on a corporation under such rules.
=3B
Gene
last word
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=3B
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From: helspersew@aol.com
My last word on the subject: My intense hatred of lawyers still stands= .
If we had "loser pays" rules in effect=2C the number of lawsuits would g
o= down by huge numbers. What does that tell you?
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| Subject: | Re: Fw: corvair engine |
No offense to that gentleman, but you'd do well to avoid anything coming
from the Aeromax group. Hit up the Corvaircraft group archives:
http://www.maddyhome.com/corvairsrch/frame/index.jsp
<http://www.maddyhome.com/corvairsrch/frame/index.jsp>and search for
Aeromax, give it a read.
Ryan
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<cncampbell@windstream.net>wrote:
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> ----- Original Message -----
> *From:* nanapapa2000 <nanapapa2000@bellsouth.net>
> *To:* Charles Campbell <cncampbell@windstream.net>
> *Sent:* Tuesday, March 08, 2011 9:14 AM
> *Subject:* corvair engine
>
> i see by your post on the piet list you are looking at corvair engines. i
> have a engine that was put together at the aeromax shop and run on their
> test stand for 2 hours with good temps and oil press. no leaks. if you go to
> aeromaxaviation.com and look at the fb100 you will get all the info. i am
> asking 7500.00 fob GAINESVILLE FL .please share this info .
>
> Thanks
> John Whitman
> 352 339 1154 cell
> 352 472 5763 hm
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| Subject: | Re: M.Perez Hints videos |
Yeah=2C But they always win =3B-) Kinda like bookies--lol OK enough of t
his thread. Good thing to discuss (argue) over a beer or few.
Sorry Gen=2C Just trying to lighten it up a bit.
Please do not archive.
Doug Dever
In beautiful Stow Ohio
From: generambo@msn.com
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: M.Perez Hints videos
The string got started saying all lawyers and all lawsuits are bad=2C not s
pecifically that lawyers charge too much. Not sure what everyone on here d
oes for a living=2C but for whatever it is there is at least one person say
ing it costs too much. Besides=2C costs are not always necessarily lawyers
fees. There are LOTS of outrageous costs in litigation that do not go to
the lawyers.
Gene
last comment on this subject=2C I promise
do not archive
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: M.Perez Hints videos
From: gboothe5@comcast.net
"...teams of law firms billing millions..."? Isn't that how this string got
started? I think you just made Dan's case...
Gary Boothe Sent on the Sprint=AE Now Network from my BlackBerry=AE
From: Gene Rambo <generambo@msn.com>
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Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: M.Perez Hints videos
so=2C loser pays?? =3B Dan Helsper's family goes off a cliff because th
= e =3Bbrakes are found to be defective on his Toyota Prius (the recall
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n though they admit in p= leadings that the brakes were put in backwards.
=3B
No little guy would dare take on a corporation under such rules.
=3B
Gene
last word
do not archive
=3B
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: M.Pere= z Hints videos
From: helspersew@aol.com
My last word on the subject: My intense hatred of lawyers still stands= .
If we had "loser pays" rules in effect=2C the number of lawsuits would g
o= down by huge numbers. What does that tell you?
=3B
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Puryear=2C TN.
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do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: M.Perez Hints videos |
Gene does make a valid point. Lawyers suck to high you know what, until you
find yourself in a situation where one does good for you. Car mechanics are
all crooks, until you find a good one that charges a fair price for quality
labor. And so on....
I personally know one person educated as a lawyer that is building a
Pietenpol, and he's building a damn nice airplane and is a properly odd
gentleman when it comes down to it. That's 2 out of 3! ;) (sorry,
couldn't resist)
Ryan
do not archive
On Tue, Mar 8, 2011 at 10:12 PM, Doug Dever <chiefpepperhead@hotmail.com>wr
ote:
> Yeah, But they always win ;-) Kinda like bookies--lol OK enough of th
is
> thread. Good thing to discuss (argue) over a beer or few.
> Sorry Gen, Just trying to lighten it up a bit.
>
> Please do not archive.
>
> Doug Dever
> In beautiful Stow Ohio
>
>
> ------------------------------
> From: generambo@msn.com
>
> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: M.Perez Hints videos
> Date: Tue, 8 Mar 2011 19:58:04 -0500
>
>
> The string got started saying all lawyers and all lawsuits are bad, not
> specifically that lawyers charge too much. Not sure what everyone on her
e
> does for a living, but for whatever it is there is at least one
> person saying it costs too much. Besides, costs are not always necessari
ly
> lawyers fees. There are LOTS of outrageous costs in litigation that do n
ot
> go to the lawyers.
>
>
> Gene
> last comment on this subject, I promise
> do not archive
> ------------------------------
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: M.Perez Hints videos
> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> From: gboothe5@comcast.net
> Date: Tue, 8 Mar 2011 14:19:41 +0000
>
> "...teams of law firms billing millions..."? Isn't that how this string g
ot
> started? I think you just made Dan's case...
>
> Gary Boothe Sent on the Sprint=C2=AE Now Network from my BlackBerry=C2=AE
> ------------------------------
> *From: *Gene Rambo <generambo@msn.com>
> *Sender: *owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
> *Date: *Tue, 8 Mar 2011 07:59:18 -0500
> *To: *pietenpol-list<pietenpol-list@matronics.com>
> *ReplyTo: *pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> *Subject: *RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: M.Perez Hints videos
>
> so=2C loser pays?? =3B Dan Helsper's family goes off a cliff because
th
> e =3Bbrakes are found to be defective on his Toyota Prius (the recall n
> otice goes out the next day and all others are fixed=2C thanks to Helsp
er d
> iscovering the mistake). =3B Dan sues Toyota=2C three years of protra
ct= ed
> litigation later (with Toyota's team of law firms billing close to milli
> ons) they successfully have his case dismissed for a mis-placed comma in
a
> filing. =3B Dan now owes Toyota millions=2C even though they admit in
p
> leadings that the brakes were put in backwards.
> =3B
> No little guy would dare take on a corporation under such rules.
> =3B
> Gene
> last word
> do not archive
> =3B
> ------------------------------
> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: M.Pere= z Hints videos
> From: helspersew@aol.com
> Date: Mon=2C 7 Mar 2011 18:50= :30 -0500
>
> My last word on the subject: My intense hatred of lawyers still stands=
.
> If we had "loser pays" rules in effect=2C the number of lawsuits would
go
> down by huge numbers. What does that tell you?
> =3B
> Dan Helsper
> Puryear=2C TN.
> =3B
> do not archive
>
>
> =3B
>
> --&g
> t=3B
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| Subject: | Re: Fw: corvair engine |
I was holding my breath on that one to, Ryan.- I believe there was (is) a
bitter rivalry with W.W. and that guy.- Basically ripped off his work an
d designs from what I have read about.
Shad
--- On Tue, 3/8/11, Ryan Mueller <rmueller23@gmail.com> wrote:
From: Ryan Mueller <rmueller23@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Fw: corvair engine
No offense to that gentleman, but you'd do well to avoid anything coming fr
om the Aeromax group. Hit up the Corvaircraft group archives:
http://www.maddyhome.com/corvairsrch/frame/index.jsp
and search for Aeromax, give it a read.
Ryan
On Tue, Mar 8, 2011 at 2:09 PM, Charles Campbell <cncampbell@windstream.net
> wrote:
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----- Original Message -----
From: nanapapa2000
Sent: Tuesday, March 08, 2011 9:14 AM
Subject: corvair engine
i see by your post on the piet list you are looking at corvair engines. i h
ave a engine that was put together at the aeromax shop and run on their tes
t stand for 2 hours with good temps and oil press. no leaks. if you go to a
eromaxaviation.com and look at the fb100 you will get all the info. i am as
king 7500.00 fob GAINESVILLE- FL .please share this info .
Thanks
John Whitman
352 339 1154 cell
352 472 5763 hm
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