---------------------------------------------------------- Pietenpol-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Wed 03/09/11: 36 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 05:54 AM - Hans- new project (off topic) (Oscar Zuniga) 2. 06:37 AM - Re: Hans- new project (off topic) (hvandervoo@aol.com) 3. 07:49 AM - Re: Fw: corvair engine (Charles Campbell) 4. 08:45 AM - Is it just me??? (Douwe Blumberg) 5. 09:06 AM - Re: Is it just me??? (Jack Phillips) 6. 09:17 AM - Re: Is it just me??? (Charles Campbell) 7. 09:25 AM - Firewall Forward (brian.e.jardine@l-3com.com) 8. 09:32 AM - Re: Is it just me??? (gboothe5@comcast.net) 9. 09:37 AM - Re: Fw: corvair engine (Rick Holland) 10. 09:37 AM - Re: Is it just me??? (V Groah) 11. 09:37 AM - Sun-N-Fun (Ben Charvet) 12. 09:46 AM - Re: Is it just me??? (Bill Church) 13. 10:26 AM - V-Stab Fittings (Jack) 14. 10:31 AM - Re: Is it just me??? (kevinpurtee) 15. 11:00 AM - Re: V-Stab Fittings (Jim Markle) 16. 12:18 PM - Props and hub and progress (bender) 17. 01:15 PM - Re: Props and hub and progress (K5YAC) 18. 02:21 PM - Re: Re: Is it just me??? (Charles Campbell) 19. 02:55 PM - Re: Is it just me??? (Bill Church) 20. 03:08 PM - Re: Props and hub and progress (bender) 21. 03:13 PM - Re: Sun-N-Fun (Barry Davis) 22. 03:18 PM - KM Heide or Minnesota Corvair Engine? (tdudley@umn.edu) 23. 03:25 PM - Re: Sun-N-Fun (Ryan Mueller) 24. 03:25 PM - Re: KM Heide or Minnesota Corvair Engine? (Ryan Mueller) 25. 05:00 PM - Re: Re: V-Stab Fittings (Jack) 26. 05:02 PM - Re: V-Stab Fittings (Jerry Dotson) 27. 05:41 PM - Re: Re: V-Stab Fittings (Gboothe5) 28. 05:48 PM - Re: N number (K5YAC) 29. 05:52 PM - Re: KM Heide or Minnesota Corvair Engine? (heavyliftpilot) 30. 06:10 PM - Re: Sun-N-Fun (airlion) 31. 06:25 PM - Re: Re: V-Stab Fittings (Chris) 32. 06:34 PM - Re: Re: V-Stab Fittings (shad bell) 33. 07:54 PM - Re: Props and hub and progress (coxwelljon) 34. 08:45 PM - Wilson test (Dick N) 35. 10:00 PM - Re: KM Heide or Minnesota Corvair Engine? (KM Heide CPO/FAAOP) 36. 11:26 PM - Re: Wilson test (Clif Dawson) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 05:54:00 AM PST US From: Oscar Zuniga Subject: Pietenpol-List: Hans- new project (off topic) OK, Hans... now you've got me curious. What are you building now? Steel tube frame, could be just about anything! One-place, or two? Monoplane or biplane? Conventional gear or tricycle? Aircraft engine or converted automotive engine? Inquiring minds want to know! do not archive Oscar Zuniga Air Camper NX41CC "Scout" San Antonio, TX website at http://www.flysquirrel.net ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 06:37:17 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Hans- new project (off topic) From: hvandervoo@aol.com Oscar, I started to get ideas about an improved Air Camper, as many improvements h ave been suggested on this list. Increasing the width to 42 inches for side by side seating. It ended up being a 4 seater. For comfort I enclosed the cockpit. Increased length by a few feet to compensate for a heavier more powerful en gine. I liked the smoothness of the 6 cylinder Corvair so I stuck with a 6 but wi th more cubic inches (470) and a HP (230) Engine is made by a Chinese owned company. To control weight and increased strength I decided on a steel tube fuselage .. Increased wingspan by a few feet to create extra lift. For strength and weight savings I choose aluminum for the wing. To keep landing speeds down and roll out short I added flaps. Toyed with the name Air Camper XL Then I found out that Bob Barrows a Pietenpol builder already designed this airplane and called it a Bearhawk Fuselage is all welded up, working on wings Hans Waller TX NX15KV Pietenpol Air Camper N......... Bearhawk -----Original Message----- From: Oscar Zuniga Sent: Wed, Mar 9, 2011 7:54 am Subject: Pietenpol-List: Hans- new project (off topic) K, Hans... now you've got me curious. What are you building now? teel tube frame, could be just about anything! One-place, or two? onoplane or biplane? Conventional gear or tricycle? Aircraft ngine or converted automotive engine? Inquiring minds want to know! o not archive Oscar Zuniga ir Camper NX41CC "Scout" an Antonio, TX ebsite at http://www.flysquirrel.net -= - The Pietenpol-List Email Forum - -= Use the Matronics List Features Navigator to browse -= the many List utilities such as List Un/Subscription, -= Archive Search & Download, 7-Day Browse, Chat, FAQ, -= Photoshare, and much much more: - -= --> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List - -======================== -= - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS - -= Same great content also available via the Web Forums! - -= --> http://forums.matronics.com - -======================== -= - List Contribution Web Site - -= Thank you for your generous support! -= -Matt Dralle, List Admin. -= --> http://www.matronics.com/contribution -======================== ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 07:49:14 AM PST US From: "Charles Campbell" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Fw: corvair engine I know that if I go the Corvair route I will stick with WW. I've had his book and all his videos for a while now. Don't know anything about Aeromax. ----- Original Message ----- From: shad bell To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Wednesday, March 09, 2011 12:43 AM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Fw: corvair engine I was holding my breath on that one to, Ryan. I believe there was (is) a bitter rivalry with W.W. and that guy. Basically ripped off his work and designs from what I have read about. Shad --- On Tue, 3/8/11, Ryan Mueller wrote: From: Ryan Mueller Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Fw: corvair engine To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Date: Tuesday, March 8, 2011, 11:24 PM No offense to that gentleman, but you'd do well to avoid anything coming from the Aeromax group. Hit up the Corvaircraft group archives: http://www.maddyhome.com/corvairsrch/frame/index.jsp and search for Aeromax, give it a read. Ryan On Tue, Mar 8, 2011 at 2:09 PM, Charles Campbell wrote: ----- Original Message ----- From: nanapapa2000 To: Charles Campbell Sent: Tuesday, March 08, 2011 9:14 AM Subject: corvair engine i see by your post on the piet list you are looking at corvair engines. i have a engine that was put together at the aeromax shop and run on their test stand for 2 hours with good temps and oil press. no leaks. if you go to aeromaxaviation.com and look at the fb100 you will get all the info. i am asking 7500.00 fob GAINESVILLE FL .please share this info . Thanks John Whitman 352 339 1154 cell 352 472 5763 hm " target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List tp://forums.matronics.com _blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution " rel=nofollow target=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List et=_blank>http://forums.matronics.com llow target=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/contribution ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 08:45:11 AM PST US From: "Douwe Blumberg" Subject: Pietenpol-List: Is it just me??? Gents, Is it just me or are you guys getting tired of the lawyer/rudder bar/ slightly antagonistic stuff going on lately. I'm almost starting to open my list each morning with apprehension not knowing what next extraneous issue we'll be batting around. Here's a thought, let's take all that energy and direct it at building or writing about. Pietenpols.. and courteously please. Remember, we "don't want to disconcert the masses son." Just a thought. Douwe ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 09:06:27 AM PST US From: "Jack Phillips" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Is it just me??? See what happens when the List stops debating the usefulness and safety of auto engine conversions? Nine more days until I can resume my dissemination of THE TRUTH. Then all this useless venom will be channeled into a positive direction. Soon it will be time to start planning the next covocation of Pietenpol Enthusiasts at Brodhead. That should get the list into more constructive comments. Brodhead will commence in just 134 days. Do Not Archive Jack Phillips NX899JP "Icarus Plummet" Raleigh, NC _____ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Douwe Blumberg Sent: Wednesday, March 09, 2011 11:44 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Is it just me??? Gents, Is it just me or are you guys getting tired of the lawyer/rudder bar/ slightly antagonistic stuff going on lately. I'm almost starting to open my list each morning with apprehension not knowing what next extraneous issue we'll be batting around. Here's a thought, let's take all that energy and direct it at building or writing about. Pietenpols.. and courteously please. Remember, we "don't want to disconcert the masses son." Just a thought. Douwe ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 09:17:20 AM PST US From: "Charles Campbell" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Is it just me??? Douwe, I agree wholeheartedly -- if that's a real word. ----- Original Message ----- From: Douwe Blumberg To: pietenpolgroup Sent: Wednesday, March 09, 2011 11:44 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Is it just me??? Gents, Is it just me or are you guys getting tired of the lawyer/rudder bar/ slightly antagonistic stuff going on lately. I'm almost starting to open my list each morning with apprehension not knowing what next extraneous issue we'll be batting around. Here's a thought, let's take all that energy and direct it at building or writing about. Pietenpols.. and courteously please. Remember, we "don't want to disconcert the masses son." Just a thought. Douwe ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 09:25:42 AM PST US From: brian.e.jardine@l-3com.com Subject: Pietenpol-List: Firewall Forward Group, Going through some boxes in the hangar just realized I have 2 Firewall forward books from Tony Bingelis. Don't need 2, if someone is interested $25 shipped. Brian SLC-UT ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 09:32:08 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Is it just me??? From: gboothe5@comcast.net Ii4uLmNvdm9jYXRpb24uLi4iIC4uLm5vdyBJIGhhdmUgdG8gbG9vayB1cCBhbm90aGVyIHdvcmQu IElzIGFueXRoaW5nIGxpa2UgYSBnaXQtdG9nZXRoZXI/DQoNCkdhcnkNClNlbnQgb24gdGhlIFNw cmludK4gTm93IE5ldHdvcmsgZnJvbSBteSBCbGFja0JlcnJ5rg0KDQotLS0tLU9yaWdpbmFsIE1l c3NhZ2UtLS0tLQ0KRnJvbTogIkphY2sgUGhpbGxpcHMiIDxwaWV0Zmx5ckBiZWxsc291dGgubmV0 Pg0KU2VuZGVyOiBvd25lci1waWV0ZW5wb2wtbGlzdC1zZXJ2ZXJAbWF0cm9uaWNzLmNvbQ0KRGF0 ZTogV2VkLCA5IE1hciAyMDExIDEyOjAzOjAyIA0KVG86IDxwaWV0ZW5wb2wtbGlzdEBtYXRyb25p Y3MuY29tPg0KUmVwbHktVG86IHBpZXRlbnBvbC1saXN0QG1hdHJvbmljcy5jb21TdWJqZWN0OiBS RTogUGlldGVucG9sLUxpc3Q6IElzIGl0IGp1c3QgbWU/Pz8NCg0KVGhpcyBpcyBhIG11bHRpLXBh cnQgbWVzc2FnZSBpbiBNSU1FIGZvcm1hdC4NCg0K ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 09:37:10 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Fw: corvair engine From: Rick Holland Talking about ugly and nasty internet newsgroups Corvaircraft is the worst I have ever seen. I pay no attention to it anymore and its almost enough to make me consider using a real aircraft engine in my next project (but probably not). On Tue, Mar 8, 2011 at 9:24 PM, Ryan Mueller wrote: > No offense to that gentleman, but you'd do well to avoid anything coming > from the Aeromax group. Hit up the Corvaircraft group archives: > > http://www.maddyhome.com/corvairsrch/frame/index.jsp > > and search for > Aeromax, give it a read. > > Ryan > > On Tue, Mar 8, 2011 at 2:09 PM, Charles Campbell < > cncampbell@windstream.net> wrote: > >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> *From:* nanapapa2000 >> *To:* Charles Campbell >> *Sent:* Tuesday, March 08, 2011 9:14 AM >> *Subject:* corvair engine >> >> i see by your post on the piet list you are looking at corvair engines. >> i have a engine that was put together at the aeromax shop and run on their >> test stand for 2 hours with good temps and oil press. no leaks. if you go to >> aeromaxaviation.com and look at the fb100 you will get all the info. i am >> asking 7500.00 fob GAINESVILLE FL .please share this info . >> >> Thanks >> John Whitman >> 352 339 1154 cell >> 352 472 5763 hm >> >> >> >> * >> >> " target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List >> tp://forums.matronics.com >> _blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution >> * >> >> > * > > * > > -- Rick Holland Castle Rock, Colorado "A Foolish Consistency is the Hobgoblin of Little Minds" ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 09:37:10 AM PST US From: V Groah Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Is it just me??? this site is great for the camaraderie and information that it brings us bu ilders and flyers. I agree=2C keep on subject and keep it positive. From: cncampbell@windstream.net Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Is it just me??? Douwe=2C I agree wholeheartedly -- if that's a real word. ----- Original Message ----- From: Douwe Blumberg Sent: Wednesday=2C March 09=2C 2011 11:44 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Is it just me??? Gents=2C Is it just me or are you guys getting tired of the lawyer/rudder bar/ sligh tly antagonistic stuff going on lately. I=92m almost starting to open my l ist each morning with apprehension not knowing what next extraneous issue w e=92ll be batting around. Here=92s a thought=2C let=92s take all that energy and direct it at buildin g or writing about=85 Pietenpols.. and courteously please. Remember=2C we =93don=92t want to disconcert the masses son=85=94 Just a thought=85 Douwe href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List">http://www.matro nics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 09:37:18 AM PST US From: Ben Charvet Subject: Pietenpol-List: Sun-N-Fun Just to give us a new string to talk about, anybody else planning to fly to Sun-N-Fun? > > Gents, > > Is it just me or are you guys getting tired of the lawyer/rudder > bar/ slightly antagonistic stuff going on lately. I'm almost > starting to open my list each morning with apprehension not > knowing what next extraneous issue we'll be batting around. > > Here's a thought, let's take all that energy and direct it at > building or writing about... Pietenpols.. and courteously please. > > Remember, we "don't want to disconcert the masses son..." > > Just a thought... > > Douwe > > * > > href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List > href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com > href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c > * > > * > > > * -- Ben Charvet, PharmD Staff Pharmacist Parrish Medical center ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 09:46:22 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Is it just me??? From: "Bill Church" Yes Chuck, agree is a real word. :) > Douwe, I agree wholeheartedly -- if that's a real word. > do not archive Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=333326#333326 ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 10:26:51 AM PST US From: "Jack" Subject: Pietenpol-List: V-Stab Fittings When you attach the 2 tail brace cables to the top v-stab bracket, is it acceptable to just use a thimble? Thanks, Jack DSM ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 10:31:46 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Is it just me??? From: "kevinpurtee" (I dunno, it's kinda funny that I can actually hear Gene steaming from 1500 miles away......) OOOPS! Sorry! You can kick my butt in July, Gene. do not archive -------- Kevin "Axel" Purtee NX899KP Austin/Georgetown, TX Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=333330#333330 ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 11:00:25 AM PST US From: Jim Markle Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: V-Stab Fittings I sure hope everyone's answer to this is yes, this is how I'm doing them. Deburring/chamfering the holes a bit first of course. jm -----Original Message----- From: Jack Sent: Mar 9, 2011 12:21 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: V-Stab Fittings When you attach the 2 tail brace cables to the top v-stab bracket, is it acceptable to just use a thimble? Thanks, Jack DSM ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 12:18:30 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Props and hub and progress From: "bender" So my 4 bolt prop hub came in the mail today from Ken P...it looks great... and i got Dans prop carving CD with the last Aircraft Spruce order and now i can hardly wait to put the two together and make sawdust. My engine is almost done... the short block anyway and should be coming from antique engine up by chicago.. cut out and formed both aileron horns and welded one up before i had to go out of town last week.... not as hard as i thought.. looks good and is strong for sure cut out my ailerons last week too.. a few more brackets and i can mount the wing man i can't wait to fly this thing jeff Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=333358#333358 ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 01:15:41 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Props and hub and progress From: "K5YAC" Sounds cool... and that's a great N-number. What is this? Looks mean! -------- Mark Chouinard Wings, Center Section and Empannage framed up - Working on Fuselage Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=333369#333369 ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 02:21:30 PM PST US From: "Charles Campbell" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Is it just me??? How about wholeheartedly? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Church" Sent: Wednesday, March 09, 2011 12:43 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Is it just me??? > > > Yes Chuck, agree is a real word. :) > > >> Douwe, I agree wholeheartedly -- if that's a real word. >> > > > do not archive > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=333326#333326 > > > ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 02:55:39 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Is it just me??? From: "Bill Church" do not archive, (in fact, don't even bother to read this) > > Quote: > Douwe, I agree wholeheartedly -- if that's a real word. > > Yes Chuck, agree is a real word. > > How about wholeheartedly? > Okay, Chuck... how's this? I wholeheartedly state that agree is a real word. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=333381#333381 ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 03:08:33 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Props and hub and progress From: "bender" its a Ragwing Special.... i built it about 12 years ago... wood and fabric.. like building the piet but with aluminum fittings that were all bolted and simple... it was fun to fly..but i made the mistake of using a two stroke and never trusted it after the one time it quit on me.... luckily i was on a tight downwind i've thought of building another one with a better engine jeff Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=333384#333384 ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 03:13:07 PM PST US From: "Barry Davis" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Sun-N-Fun Frank M (red/silver) and Bruce Laird (White/Blue) are flying their Big Piets down to Sun n Fun this year. Harold J (yellow) and I are flying our J3's down so we can participate in the Cub Convoy of 100+ Cubs. I am trying to talk Gardiner Mason to join us with his Piet, so I need help on the arm twisting. All in all we are flying: 2 J3 Cubs, 2 Big Piets, 1 Pietenpol, 1 Taylorcraft, 1 Champ, 1 ultralite and possible 1 Chief. Should be a fun flight down from Carrollton, Ga (just West of Atlanta). Barry Davis _____ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ben Charvet Sent: Wednesday, March 09, 2011 12:30 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Sun-N-Fun Just to give us a new string to talk about, anybody else planning to fly to Sun-N-Fun? Gents, Is it just me or are you guys getting tired of the lawyer/rudder bar/ slightly antagonistic stuff going on lately. I'm almost starting to open my list each morning with apprehension not knowing what next extraneous issue we'll be batting around. Here's a thought, let's take all that energy and direct it at building or writing about. Pietenpols.. and courteously please. Remember, we "don't want to disconcert the masses son." Just a thought. Douwe href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List" >http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List href="http://forums.matronics.com" >http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution" >http://www.matronics.com/c -- Ben Charvet, PharmD Staff Pharmacist Parrish Medical center ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 03:18:51 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: KM Heide or Minnesota Corvair Engine? From: "tdudley@umn.edu" Ken, I was wondering if you still have that source available for a Corvair engine or two that might be available. I'm interested. For that matter, anyone else in Minnesota that might know of a guy with an engine available for purchase and re-build, I'd be interested. None of the local salvage places seem to have any. I suspect there are a lot more engines kept/hidden in barns and storage sheds around here than you'll find on e-bay or on Craig's list. Any help would be appreciated. Tom Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=333386#333386 ________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ Time: 03:25:42 PM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Sun-N-Fun From: Ryan Mueller Come on Gardiner! Barry's gotta participate in the sloth of Cubs...he needs some help in bolstering the Corvair Piet numbers. Relatively short trip, an d weather out be to nice enough to go shirtless! ;) Ryan do not archive On Wed, Mar 9, 2011 at 5:10 PM, Barry Davis wrote: > Frank M (red/silver) and Bruce Laird (White/Blue) are flying their Big > Piets down to Sun n Fun this year. Harold J (yellow) and I are flying our > J3's down so we can participate in the Cub Convoy of 100+ Cubs. I am tryi ng > to talk Gardiner Mason to join us with his Piet, so I need help on the ar m > twisting. All in all we are flying: 2 J3 Cubs, 2 Big Piets, 1 Pietenpol, 1 > Taylorcraft, 1 Champ, 1 ultralite and possible 1 Chief. Should be a fun > flight down from Carrollton, Ga (just West of Atlanta). > Barry Davis > > ------------------------------ > *From:* owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto: > owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Ben Charvet > *Sent:* Wednesday, March 09, 2011 12:30 PM > *To:* pietenpol-list@matronics.com > *Subject:* Pietenpol-List: Sun-N-Fun > > Just to give us a new string to talk about, anybody else planning to fly to > Sun-N-Fun? > > Gents, > > Is it just me or are you guys getting tired of the lawyer/rudder bar/ > slightly antagonistic stuff going on lately. I=92m almost starting to op en my > list each morning with apprehension not knowing what next extraneous issu e > we=92ll be batting around. > > Here=92s a thought, let=92s take all that energy and direct it at buildin g or > writing about=85 Pietenpols.. and courteously please. > > Remember, we =93don=92t want to disconcert the masses son=85=94 > > Just a thought=85 > > Douwe > > * > > href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List" >http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pi etenpol-List > href="http://forums.matronics.com" >http:/ /forums.matronics.com > href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution" >http://www.matronics.com/c* > > * > > * > > > -- > Ben Charvet, PharmD > Staff Pharmacist > Parrish Medical center > > * > > href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List">http://www.mat ronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List > href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com > href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c * > > * > =========== =========== =========== =========== > * > > ________________________________ Message 24 ____________________________________ Time: 03:25:44 PM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: KM Heide or Minnesota Corvair Engine? From: Ryan Mueller There's a guy about 13 miles south of Brodhead who has acquired a collection of parts, more than enough for a few engines, if you want to go to WI... Ryan do not archive On Wed, Mar 9, 2011 at 5:16 PM, tdudley@umn.edu wrote: > > Ken, > > I was wondering if you still have that source available for a Corvair > engine or two that might be available. I'm interested. For that matter, > anyone else in Minnesota that might know of a guy with an engine available > for purchase and re-build, I'd be interested. None of the local salvage > places seem to have any. I suspect there are a lot more engines kept/hidden > in barns and storage sheds around here than you'll find on e-bay or on > Craig's list. Any help would be appreciated. > > Tom > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=333386#333386 > > ________________________________ Message 25 ____________________________________ Time: 05:00:15 PM PST US From: "Jack" Subject: RE: Re: Pietenpol-List: V-Stab Fittings Looks like it's just you and me Jim, hope it's ok! Jack DSM Do not archive -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim Markle Sent: Wednesday, March 09, 2011 12:57 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: V-Stab Fittings I sure hope everyone's answer to this is yes, this is how I'm doing them. Deburring/chamfering the holes a bit first of course. jm -----Original Message----- From: Jack Sent: Mar 9, 2011 12:21 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: V-Stab Fittings When you attach the 2 tail brace cables to the top v-stab bracket, is it acceptable to just use a thimble? Thanks, Jack DSM ________________________________ Message 26 ____________________________________ Time: 05:02:53 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: V-Stab Fittings From: "Jerry Dotson" That is how I did it Jack. -------- Jerry Dotson 59 Daniel Johnson Rd Baker, FL 32531 Started building NX510JD July, 2009 wing, tailfeathers done, fuselage rolling using Lycoming O-235 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=333398#333398 ________________________________ Message 27 ____________________________________ Time: 05:41:23 PM PST US From: "Gboothe5" Subject: RE: Re: Pietenpol-List: V-Stab Fittings Jack, Mines the same way. I did not respond as it isn't flight tested...was hoping one of those hi-time Piet pilots would answer you... Gary -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jack Sent: Wednesday, March 09, 2011 4:56 PM Subject: RE: Re: Pietenpol-List: V-Stab Fittings Looks like it's just you and me Jim, hope it's ok! Jack DSM Do not archive -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim Markle Sent: Wednesday, March 09, 2011 12:57 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: V-Stab Fittings I sure hope everyone's answer to this is yes, this is how I'm doing them. Deburring/chamfering the holes a bit first of course. jm -----Original Message----- From: Jack Sent: Mar 9, 2011 12:21 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: V-Stab Fittings When you attach the 2 tail brace cables to the top v-stab bracket, is it acceptable to just use a thimble? Thanks, Jack DSM ________________________________ Message 28 ____________________________________ Time: 05:48:27 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: N number From: "K5YAC" March issue of Sport Aviation, Page 94... "On the Numbers" -------- Mark Chouinard Wings, Center Section and Empannage framed up - Working on Fuselage Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=333404#333404 ________________________________ Message 29 ____________________________________ Time: 05:52:16 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: KM Heide or Minnesota Corvair Engine? From: "heavyliftpilot" Hi Tom, I have two blocks with cranks, cams, cylinders, and rods. one block has a factory nitrated crank. I'll have to go look at them to get the numbers off the block, but i'm looking to get rid of my excess corvair stuff. Thanks, James. rincon, ga Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=333405#333405 ________________________________ Message 30 ____________________________________ Time: 06:10:20 PM PST US From: airlion Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Sun-N-Fun Yeah, my arm has been twisted. Gardiner=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A_____________________ ___________=0AFrom: Ryan Mueller =0ATo: pietenpol-lis t@matronics.com=0ASent: Wed, March 9, 2011 6:21:48 PM=0ASubject: Re: Pieten pol-List: Sun-N-Fun=0A=0ACome on Gardiner! Barry's gotta participate in the sloth of Cubs...he needs some =0Ahelp in bolstering the Corvair Piet numbe rs. Relatively short trip, and weather =0Aout be to nice enough to go shirt less! ;)=0A=0ARyan=0A=0Ado not archive=0A=0A=0AOn Wed, Mar 9, 2011 at 5:10 PM, Barry Davis wrote:=0A=0AFrank M (red/silver) and Bruce Laird (White/Blue) are flying their Big Piets =0Adown to Sun n Fun t his year. Harold J (yellow) and I are flying our J3's down =0Aso we can pa rticipate in the Cub Convoy of 100+ Cubs. I am trying to talk =0AGardiner Mason to join us with his Piet, so I need help on the arm twisting. =0AAll in all we are flying: 2 J3 Cubs, 2 Big Piets, 1 Pietenpol, 1 Taylorcraft, 1 =0AChamp, 1 ultralite and possible 1 Chief. Should be a fun flight down from =0ACarrollton, Ga (just West of Atlanta).=0A>Barry Davis=0A>=0A>=0A__ ______________________________=0A From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matroni cs.com =0A[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of B en Charvet=0A>Sent: Wednesday, March 09, 2011 12:30 PM=0A>To: pietenpol-li st@matronics.com=0A>Subject: Pietenpol-List: Sun-N-Fun=0A>=0A>Just to give us a new string to talk about, anybody else planning to fly to =0A>Sun-N- Fun?=0A>=0A>Gents, =0A>>>Is it just me or are you guys getting tired o f the lawyer/rudder bar/ =0A>>>slightly antagonistic stuff going on la tely. I=99m almost starting to open =0A>>>my list each morning with apprehension not knowing what next extraneous =0A>>>issue we=99l l be batting around.=0A>>>Here=99s a thought, let=99s take all that energy and direct it at building or =0A>>>writing about Pietenpols.. and courteously please. =0A>>>=0A>>>Remember, we =9Cdon=99t want to disconcert the masses son =9D=0A>>>Just a thought=0A>>>Douwe=0A>>> =0A>>>href="ht tp://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List">http://www.matronics.com/N avigator?Pietenpol-List=0A>>>=0A>>>href="http://forums.matronics.com">htt p://forums.matronics.com=0A>>>href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution ">http://www.matronics.com/c=0A>>> =0A=0A=0A-- =0ABen Charvet, PharmD=0AS taff Pharmacist=0AParrish Medical center=0A=0A =0Ahref="http://www.matro nics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Piete npol-List=0A href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.c om =0Ahref="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.c om/c =0A=0A " target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenp ol-List =0Atp://forums.matronics.com _blank">http://www.matronics.com/contr ===================== =0A ________________________________ Message 31 ____________________________________ Time: 06:25:49 PM PST US From: "Chris" Subject: RE: Re: Pietenpol-List: V-Stab Fittings Is Frank Pavliga's plane high enough time for you? http://westcoastpiet.com/images/Frank%20Pavliga/images/Brodhead__20070720_10 4.JPG How about Don Emoch's http://westcoastpiet.com/images/Don%20Emch/Brodhead__20070720_152.JPG Tim Mickel's http://westcoastpiet.com/images/Tim%20Mickel/images/IMG_3926.JPG And for you corvair guys, don't worry while your gliding back to the ground it works here too http://westcoastpiet.com/images/Brown%20Aero/images/p1010002.jpg I think it will be fine and I am doing mine this way too. Chris Sacramento, Ca Westcoastpiet.com -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gboothe5 Sent: Wednesday, March 09, 2011 5:39 PM Subject: RE: Re: Pietenpol-List: V-Stab Fittings Jack, Mines the same way. I did not respond as it isn't flight tested...was hoping one of those hi-time Piet pilots would answer you... Gary -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jack Sent: Wednesday, March 09, 2011 4:56 PM Subject: RE: Re: Pietenpol-List: V-Stab Fittings Looks like it's just you and me Jim, hope it's ok! Jack DSM Do not archive -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim Markle Sent: Wednesday, March 09, 2011 12:57 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: V-Stab Fittings --> I sure hope everyone's answer to this is yes, this is how I'm doing them. Deburring/chamfering the holes a bit first of course. jm -----Original Message----- From: Jack Sent: Mar 9, 2011 12:21 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: V-Stab Fittings When you attach the 2 tail brace cables to the top v-stab bracket, is it acceptable to just use a thimble? Thanks, Jack DSM ________________________________ Message 32 ____________________________________ Time: 06:34:55 PM PST US From: shad bell Subject: RE: Re: Pietenpol-List: V-Stab Fittings Thats how Our's is, just thimbles, and no shackles (on the vertical stab fi ttings).- The turnbucle fork end on the horizontal stab fittings.- It's fine that way, we have 264 hrs on the piet.- There isn't much relitve mo vement there,-and thats what preflight inspections, and annual inspection s are for.- Don't sweat the small stuff, keep on chugg'n along. - Shad - p.s. as you said, chamfer the holes a little to take off the shap corners o f the holes. --- On Wed, 3/9/11, Gboothe5 wrote: From: Gboothe5 Subject: RE: Re: Pietenpol-List: V-Stab Fittings Jack, Mines the same way. I did not respond as it isn't flight tested...was hopin g one of those hi-time Piet pilots would answer you... Gary -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jack Sent: Wednesday, March 09, 2011 4:56 PM Subject: RE: Re: Pietenpol-List: V-Stab Fittings Looks like it's just you and me Jim, hope it's ok! Jack DSM Do not archive -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim Markle Sent: Wednesday, March 09, 2011 12:57 PM Subject:- Re: Pietenpol-List: V-Stab Fittings > I sure hope everyone's answer to this is yes, this is how I'm doing them. Deburring/chamfering the holes a bit first of course. jm -----Original Message----- From: Jack Sent: Mar 9, 2011 12:21 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: V-Stab Fittings When you attach the 2 tail brace cables to the top v-stab bracket, is it acceptable to just use a thimble? Thanks, Jack DSM le, List Admin. =0A=0A=0A ________________________________ Message 33 ____________________________________ Time: 07:54:16 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Props and hub and progress From: "coxwelljon" Jeff, How did you find the ragwing plans? I have plans for several of the ragwing designs and hope to build from them. Currently finishing a GN-1 project that I bought. I liked some of the detailing and the structure seemed pretty effecient. How did you like flying the Special? -------- Jon Coxwell GN-1 Builder Recycle and preserve the planet Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=333418#333418 ________________________________ Message 34 ____________________________________ Time: 08:45:01 PM PST US From: "Dick N" Subject: Pietenpol-List: Wilson test Gary and all That might be a relitive of mine. Dick N. ----- Original Message ----- From: <6128051742@vzwpix.com> Sent: Wednesday, March 09, 2011 8:55 PM > This message has been sent using the picture and Video service from > Verizon Wireless! > > To learn how you can snap pictures and capture videos with your wireless > phone visit www.verizonwireless.com/picture. > > Note: To play video messages sent to email, Quicktime@ 6.5 or higher is > required. > ________________________________ Message 35 ____________________________________ Time: 10:00:13 PM PST US From: KM Heide CPO/FAAOP Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: KM Heide or Minnesota Corvair Engine? Tom, - Contact me off line and I'll will give you the name of a guy who has severa l. - Ken H 701-793-3030 - --- On Wed, 3/9/11, tdudley@umn.edu wrote: From: tdudley@umn.edu Subject: Pietenpol-List: KM Heide or Minnesota Corvair Engine? Ken, I was wondering if you still have that source available for a Corvair engin e or two that might be available.- I'm interested.- For that matter, an yone else in Minnesota that might know of a guy with an engine available fo r purchase and re-build, I'd be interested.- None of the local salvage pl aces seem to have any.- I suspect there are a lot more engines kept/hidde n in barns and storage sheds around here than you'll find on e-bay or on Cr aig's list.- Any help would be appreciated. Tom Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=333386#333386 le, List Admin. =0A=0A=0A ________________________________ Message 36 ____________________________________ Time: 11:26:02 PM PST US From: "Clif Dawson" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Wilson test There was a comic artist named Gahan Wilson that did these truly bizarre single panel drawings. They were syndicated so you may have seen some of them. This one that I can never forget is this big overstuffed chair with a hand going down for the third time. Just like this. Better grab onto that blue gloved friend of yours and pull him out of there before he disappears forever! http://www.gahanwilson.com/ Clif ----- Original Message ----- From: Dick N To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Wednesday, March 09, 2011 8:41 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Wilson test Gary and all That might be a relitive of mine. Dick N. ----- Original Message ----- From: <6128051742@vzwpix.com> To: Sent: Wednesday, March 09, 2011 8:55 PM > This message has been sent using the picture and Video service from > Verizon Wireless! > > To learn how you can snap pictures and capture videos with your wireless > phone visit www.verizonwireless.com/picture. > > Note: To play video messages sent to email, Quicktime@ 6.5 or higher is > required. > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- No virus found in this message. 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