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1. 01:58 AM - Re: Fittings (carson)
2. 01:58 AM - Re: Fittings (carson)
3. 03:56 AM - Re: Re: Fittings (Jack)
4. 04:12 AM - Re: Re: Fittings (Jack)
5. 04:26 AM - Re: Re: Fittings (Jack Phillips)
6. 05:43 AM - ceconite (Douwe Blumberg)
7. 07:37 AM - NAS, AN bolts & Fittings (shad bell)
8. 09:00 AM - Re: Re: Fittings (Charles Campbell)
9. 09:00 AM - 21" rims and shaved tires for sale (Douwe Blumberg)
10. 09:25 AM - Re: 21" rims and shaved tires for sale (Gboothe5)
11. 09:36 AM - drill bits, holes etc (shad bell)
12. 09:57 AM - Re: Re: Fittings (helspersew@aol.com)
13. 10:29 AM - Re: 21" rims and shaved tires for sale (Ken Bickers)
14. 11:38 AM - Re: Fittings (chase143(at)aol.com)
15. 02:17 PM - C85-8F (Piet2112)
16. 03:07 PM - Re: Re: Fittings (Charles Campbell)
17. 03:34 PM - Re: Fittings (Bill Church)
18. 06:03 PM - Re: Re: Fittings (Jack)
19. 06:49 PM - Re: C85-8F (Jack Phillips)
20. 07:08 PM - Re: C85-8F (gboothe5@comcast.net)
21. 08:31 PM - Great read (non Pietenpol) (VanDy)
22. 10:32 PM - Re: Great read (non Pietenpol) (Dortch, Steven D MAJ NG NG FORSCOM)
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Sorry for being stupid but what is #10
As I have had the same trouble and would love to have the right sized drlii bit
Carson
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Sorry for being stupid but what is #10
As I have had the same trouble and would love to have the right sized drlii bit
Carson
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Carson there are three basic groups of drill sets, Letter, Number and
Fractional. See a chart here.
http://www.gearhob.com/eng/design/drill_eng.htm
Jack
DSM
PS That was an interesting post earlier regarding the #10 drill, but... the
plans call our a fractional size of 3/16th on many holes., hummm.
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[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of carson
Sent: Monday, March 14, 2011 3:56 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Fittings
Sorry for being stupid but what is #10
As I have had the same trouble and would love to have the right sized drlii
bit
Carson
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Carson,
I've had good luck with the higher end Harbor Freight dill sets seen here,
http://www.harborfreight.com/115-piece-titanium-nitride-coated-m2-high-speed
-steel-drill-bit-set-1611.html
Another useful link, http://www.carbidedepot.com/resources.htm
Jack
DSM
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[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of carson
Sent: Monday, March 14, 2011 3:56 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Fittings
Sorry for being stupid but what is #10
As I have had the same trouble and would love to have the right sized drlii
bit
Carson
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The Pietenpol plans were drawn before the AN standards came into being (they
were developed around 1940), and include such oddities as # 7 wood screws to
attach the horizontal stabilizer to the upper longerons. Try finding a # 7
screw at Home Depot.
Aircraft hardware should be purchased for ANY critical component on a
Pietenpol (or any other airplane), and the old standard is AN hardware. NAS
or MS standard parts are the newer designations, but in many cases are just
renumbered AN parts
Ron Alexander wrote a good article on this in Sport Aviation a couple of
years ago:
http://exp-aircraft.com/library/alexande/hardware.html
So you should use AN3 bolts where the plans call for 3/16", and use # 10
drills (or better yet, reamers) for the holes.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP "Icarus Plummet"
Raleigh, NC
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jack
Sent: Monday, March 14, 2011 6:54 AM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Fittings
Carson there are three basic groups of drill sets, Letter, Number and
Fractional. See a chart here.
http://www.gearhob.com/eng/design/drill_eng.htm
Jack
DSM
PS That was an interesting post earlier regarding the #10 drill, but... the
plans call our a fractional size of 3/16th on many holes., hummm.
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I need to cover my fuse and empennage here soon, and before I went ahead
with an aircraft spruce order, thought I'd ck to see if anyone has some
leftovers they want to sell?
Douwe
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Subject: | NAS, AN bolts & Fittings |
a #11 drill bit is a good addition to have for 3/16 bolts as well.- I usu
ally start with 11 and if the bolt is too tight take it to a #10, when dril
ling through wood.- AN bolts have a couple 1000ths plus or minus-tolera
nce on diameter.- NAS bolts are a closer tolerance, and I have found them
usually .003" (aprox)-larger in diameter than the AN bolts.- This coul
d be handy as your aircraft ages, if a bolt gets sloppy in the fitting from
a little wear, try the NAS bolt and see if that tightens up the fit.- Bu
t remember not to use NAS bolts were a large tension load is applied, they
are primarily for sheer loads.-NAS bolts are easily recognized by the sli
ghtly dished in head-and they have shorter threads than a comparable AN b
olt.
-
Shad
--- On Mon, 3/14/11, Jack <jack@textors.com> wrote:
From: Jack <jack@textors.com>
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Fittings
Carson there are three basic groups of drill sets, Letter, Number and
Fractional.- See a chart here.
http://www.gearhob.com/eng/design/drill_eng.htm
Jack
DSM
PS- That was an interesting post earlier regarding the #10 drill, but...
the
plans call our a fractional size of 3/16th on many holes., hummm.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of carson
Sent: Monday, March 14, 2011 3:56 AM
Subject:- Pietenpol-List: Re: Fittings
Sorry for being stupid but what is #10
As I have had the same trouble and would love to have the right sized drlii
bit
Carson
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I would like to add that the AN# refers to the diameter in 16ths of an
inch -- AN3 means 3/16-inch diameter, AN4 means 4/16-inch (1/4) diameter etc
all the way to at least AN7 which is the largest I have checked on and it is
7/16-inch in diameter. So with an AN3 bolt isn't it logical to use a
3/16-inch dia drill bit? I don't even know where I could buy a #10 drill
bit.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jack" <jack@textors.com>
Sent: Monday, March 14, 2011 6:54 AM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Fittings
>
> Carson there are three basic groups of drill sets, Letter, Number and
> Fractional. See a chart here.
> http://www.gearhob.com/eng/design/drill_eng.htm
> Jack
> DSM
> PS That was an interesting post earlier regarding the #10 drill, but...
> the
> plans call our a fractional size of 3/16th on many holes., hummm.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of carson
> Sent: Monday, March 14, 2011 3:56 AM
> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Fittings
>
>
> Sorry for being stupid but what is #10
> As I have had the same trouble and would love to have the right sized
> drlii
> bit
> Carson
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=333832#333832
>
>
>
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Subject: | 21" rims and shaved tires for sale |
Hey all,
In the ground loop incident, one wire wheel was damaged as some of the
spokes broke, but the rim was undamaged. In rebuilding, I decided to go
with a different tire/wheel which will match the new look of 799B better.
I therefore have two 21" alloy Sun rims punched and dimpled which I
purchased new from Buchannans and two shaved smooth motocross tires with
tubes for sale.
Anyone interested can contact me offline at: douweblumberg@eartrhlink.net
You'll get a spamblocker message, but disregard. Just put "wheels" in the
subject and I'll catch the message in my suspect email.
Douwe
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Subject: | 21" rims and shaved tires for sale |
".which will match the new look of 799B better.." Ahh, the mystery. I love
it.
Gary
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Douwe
Blumberg
Sent: Monday, March 14, 2011 8:48 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: 21" rims and shaved tires for sale
Hey all,
In the ground loop incident, one wire wheel was damaged as some of the
spokes broke, but the rim was undamaged. In rebuilding, I decided to go
with a different tire/wheel which will match the new look of 799B better.
I therefore have two 21" alloy Sun rims punched and dimpled which I
purchased new from Buchannans and two shaved smooth motocross tires with
tubes for sale.
Anyone interested can contact me offline at: douweblumberg@eartrhlink.net
You'll get a spamblocker message, but disregard. Just put "wheels" in the
subject and I'll catch the message in my suspect email.
Douwe
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Subject: | drill bits, holes etc |
3/16 bit would be fine, but the reason for a #10 is it is a tighter fit.-
This is especially important with riveting-ex. #40 for 3/32 rivets, #30
for 1/8 , and #21 for 5/32 rivets...so on and so on.- A nice slip fit is
desirable to keep the bolt (or any fastener) from moving around in the hole
, thus enlongating it, and shortening the service life.- One-property
-of wood is it is constantly expanding contracting due to moisture conten
t, and temperature.- And once you drill and fit your wood structure you n
eed to varnish it, this usually causes the hole to get tighter when the var
nish runs down in the hole and dries, needing drilled, or better reamed, be
fore final assembly.- I apply a heavy coat of varnish to the bolts, befor
e I final install them in a wooden structure, to try to get the inside of t
he bolt hole sealed.- So just make sure your bolts fit good and tight in
thier holes with out slop, and keep on building.- Most aviation supply ho
uses
will have #ed drills and fractional drills, hell, my plans for my project
call for lettered drill sizes, I just used fractionals they fit the bolts n
ice and tight.
-
Do not archive
Shad
--- On Mon, 3/14/11, Charles Campbell <cncampbell@windstream.net> wrote:
From: Charles Campbell <cncampbell@windstream.net>
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Fittings
ream.net>
I would like to add that the AN# refers to the diameter in 16ths of an
inch -- AN3 means 3/16-inch diameter, AN4 means 4/16-inch (1/4) diameter et
c
all the way to at least AN7 which is the largest I have checked on and it i
s
7/16-inch in diameter.- So with an AN3 bolt isn't it logical to use a
3/16-inch dia drill bit?- I don't even know where I could buy a #10 drill
bit.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jack" <jack@textors.com>
Sent: Monday, March 14, 2011 6:54 AM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Fittings
>
> Carson there are three basic groups of drill sets, Letter, Number and
> Fractional.- See a chart here.
> http://www.gearhob.com/eng/design/drill_eng.htm
> Jack
> DSM
> PS- That was an interesting post earlier regarding the #10 drill, but..
.
> the
> plans call our a fractional size of 3/16th on many holes., hummm.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of carson
> Sent: Monday, March 14, 2011 3:56 AM
> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> Subject:- Pietenpol-List: Re: Fittings
>
>
> Sorry for being stupid but what is #10
> As I have had the same trouble and would love to have the right sized
> drlii
> bit
> Carson
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=333832#333832
>
>
>
le, List Admin.
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I used 3/16" drill bits to drill all those sized holes. Seems to fly fine s
o far.
Dan Helsper
Puryear, TN.
-----Original Message-----
From: Charles Campbell <cncampbell@windstream.net>
Sent: Mon, Mar 14, 2011 11:01 am
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Fittings
ream.net>
I would like to add that the AN# refers to the diameter in 16ths of an
nch -- AN3 means 3/16-inch diameter, AN4 means 4/16-inch (1/4) diameter etc
ll the way to at least AN7 which is the largest I have checked on and it is
/16-inch in diameter. So with an AN3 bolt isn't it logical to use a
/16-inch dia drill bit? I don't even know where I could buy a #10 drill
it.
---- Original Message -----
rom: "Jack" <jack@textors.com>
o: <pietenpol-list@matronics.com>
ent: Monday, March 14, 2011 6:54 AM
ubject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Fittings
Carson there are three basic groups of drill sets, Letter, Number and
Fractional. See a chart here.
http://www.gearhob.com/eng/design/drill_eng.htm
Jack
DSM
PS That was an interesting post earlier regarding the #10 drill, but...
the
plans call our a fractional size of 3/16th on many holes., hummm.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of carson
Sent: Monday, March 14, 2011 3:56 AM
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Fittings
Sorry for being stupid but what is #10
As I have had the same trouble and would love to have the right sized
drlii
bit
Carson
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=333832#333832
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Subject: | Re: 21" rims and shaved tires for sale |
Douwe,
I already have a set of rims and tires. But have an indirectly
related question. How did you go about having the tires shaved
smooth? What sorts of places will do that? Or did you do it
yourself? Mine would look much more period if I had that done.
Cheers, Ken
On Mon, Mar 14, 2011 at 10:20 AM, Gboothe5 <gboothe5@comcast.net> wrote:
> which will match the new look of 799B better. Ahh, the mystery. I love
> it
>
>
> Gary
>
>
> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Douwe
> Blumberg
> Sent: Monday, March 14, 2011 8:48 AM
> To: pietenpolgroup
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: 21" rims and shaved tires for sale
>
>
> Hey all,
>
>
> In the ground loop incident, one wire wheel was damaged as some of the
> spokes broke, but the rim was undamaged. In rebuilding, I decided to go
> with a different tire/wheel which will match the new look of 799B better.
>
>
> I therefore have two 21 alloy Sun rims punched and dimpled which I
> purchased new from Buchannans and two shaved smooth motocross tires with
> tubes for sale.
>
>
> Anyone interested can contact me offline at: douweblumberg@eartrhlink.net
>
>
> Youll get a spamblocker message, but disregard. Just put wheels in the
> subject and Ill catch the message in my suspect email.
>
>
> Douwe
>
>
> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List
>
> http://forums.matronics.com
>
> http://www.matronics.com/contribution
>
>
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Just as important as the drill bit size is the point angle. The #10 type drill
bits (I used a lot on my RV-10), I believe have a sharper bit angle for metal
then standard bits (wood or general purpose). I think as a general rule the harder
the material the steeper the angle, something like 70 for wood, 90 aluminum,
135 for SS (these are guesses, I'm not at my shop). But as mentioned before,
yes the number (#10) bits have a slightly closer tolerance for rivets etc.
Steve
--------
Steve
www.mypiet.com
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I hope I don't offend anyone on the list because I haven't had the pleasure of
meeting any of you (other than Axel), but I was able to aquire a non-automobile
engine for my Piet. I'm looking forward to it's rebuild and hope and pray there
aren't too many surprises.
Curt Merdan
Flower Mound, TX
Long Fuse, Continental C85
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Thanks, Jack, I just ordered a set of the drill bits.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jack" <jack@textors.com>
Sent: Monday, March 14, 2011 7:10 AM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Fittings
>
> Carson,
> I've had good luck with the higher end Harbor Freight dill sets seen here,
> http://www.harborfreight.com/115-piece-titanium-nitride-coated-m2-high-speed
> -steel-drill-bit-set-1611.html
>
> Another useful link, http://www.carbidedepot.com/resources.htm
>
> Jack
> DSM
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of carson
> Sent: Monday, March 14, 2011 3:56 AM
> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Fittings
>
>
> Sorry for being stupid but what is #10
> As I have had the same trouble and would love to have the right sized
> drlii
> bit
> Carson
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=333833#333833
>
>
>
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AN bolt tolerances are quite tight, if compared to hardware store bolts.
In general, AN bolt sizes ARE multiples of 1/16". i.e. AN4 = 4 x 1/16", or 1/4".
The exception is AN3, which is actually a #10 bolt, which has a diameter of
0.190". Now, this is REALLY close to 3/16" (0.1875"), so it makes sense to use
that size.
The actual MAXIMUM diameters of the shanks of AN bolts are typically .001" smaller
than the nominal size - so an AN4 bolt will have a maximum shank diameter
of 0.250 - .001 = 0.249". Likewise, the MAXIMUM shank diameter of an AN3 bolt
will be 0.190 - .001 = 0.189".
The MINIMUM shank diam is only a few thousandths less than the maximum allowable
value (.003 for AN3 thru AN6).
When drilling holes in metals (aluminum or steel) for AN bolts to pass thru, some
clearance is necessary. As was suggested, for an AN3 bolt, use a #10 drill
(0.1935"). This will allow a clearance of .005" or .006". Using a 13/64" (0.2031")
bit will result in a hole that is a bit sloppy, and could result in too much
play in the connection. When drilling holes in wood, one can probably get
away with using a 3/16" diameter drill bit for an AN3 bolt, since wood is relatively
soft (especially compared to the bolts), so it will "give" when the bolt
is pushed in. Also, any wobble in the bit will effectively increase the hole
diameter, very slightly. Again, as was stated before, it would be good practice
to ream the holes after varnishing or painting.
The following website has lots of handy charts for AN and MS bolts and other hardware.
Just click on the type of hardware, and look for the little tool icons
labeled "tech info" for the relevant charts:
http://www.gen-aircraft-hardware.com/
Bill C.
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Bill,
SDG (so damn good) I printed it!
Jack
DSM
Do not archive
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill Church
Sent: Monday, March 14, 2011 5:30 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Fittings
AN bolt tolerances are quite tight, if compared to hardware store bolts.
In general, AN bolt sizes ARE multiples of 1/16". i.e. AN4 = 4 x 1/16", or
1/4". The exception is AN3, which is actually a #10 bolt, which has a
diameter of 0.190". Now, this is REALLY close to 3/16" (0.1875"), so it
makes sense to use that size.
The actual MAXIMUM diameters of the shanks of AN bolts are typically .001"
smaller than the nominal size - so an AN4 bolt will have a maximum shank
diameter of 0.250 - .001 = 0.249". Likewise, the MAXIMUM shank diameter of
an AN3 bolt will be 0.190 - .001 = 0.189".
The MINIMUM shank diam is only a few thousandths less than the maximum
allowable value (.003 for AN3 thru AN6).
When drilling holes in metals (aluminum or steel) for AN bolts to pass thru,
some clearance is necessary. As was suggested, for an AN3 bolt, use a #10
drill (0.1935"). This will allow a clearance of .005" or .006". Using a
13/64" (0.2031") bit will result in a hole that is a bit sloppy, and could
result in too much play in the connection. When drilling holes in wood, one
can probably get away with using a 3/16" diameter drill bit for an AN3 bolt,
since wood is relatively soft (especially compared to the bolts), so it will
"give" when the bolt is pushed in. Also, any wobble in the bit will
effectively increase the hole diameter, very slightly. Again, as was stated
before, it would be good practice to ream the holes after varnishing or
painting.
The following website has lots of handy charts for AN and MS bolts and other
hardware. Just click on the type of hardware, and look for the little tool
icons labeled "tech info" for the relevant charts:
http://www.gen-aircraft-hardware.com/
Bill C.
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Most excellent Curt. In 3 more days I can tell you just how smart a move
that was, compared to trying to make an automobile engine do something it
was never designed to do.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP "Icarus Plummet"
Raleigh, NC
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[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Piet2112
Sent: Monday, March 14, 2011 5:11 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: C85-8F
I hope I don't offend anyone on the list because I haven't had the pleasure
of meeting any of you (other than Axel), but I was able to aquire a
non-automobile engine for my Piet. I'm looking forward to it's rebuild and
hope and pray there aren't too many surprises.
Curt Merdan
Flower Mound, TX
Long Fuse, Continental C85
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Jack,
Need more steel? Price is good!
Gary
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Most excellent Curt. In 3 more days I can tell you just how smart a move
that was, compared to trying to make an automobile engine do something it
was never designed to do.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP "Icarus Plummet"
Raleigh, NC
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[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Piet2112
Sent: Monday, March 14, 2011 5:11 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: C85-8F
I hope I don't offend anyone on the list because I haven't had the pleasure
of meeting any of you (other than Axel), but I was able to aquire a
non-automobile engine for my Piet. I'm looking forward to it's rebuild and
hope and pray there aren't too many surprises.
Curt Merdan
Flower Mound, TX
Long Fuse, Continental C85
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Subject: | Great read (non Pietenpol) |
Found a book grandpa gave me along with all of his Pietenpol logs and info..
"Wager With The Wind" the Don Sheldon story, a great book about a young man who
decided Alaska was his place, and came to learn bush flying once he got there!
I am only 1/4 way into the book, and so far I have gone from really really
wanting to fly my T-Craft to alaska, to I WILL fly my T-Craft to Alaska! (I would
fly the Pietenpol there, but the open cockpit might get a bit cold!)
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www.vansaviation.com follow my Piet rebuild there!
almost dissasembled, getting ready to order all AN hardware and SS cable
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Subject: | Re: Great read (non Pietenpol) |
Before I got tired of packing and moving them I had quite a collection of "boys"
flying adventure books. At garage, estate and library sales I found some great
books. The most fun were written about 1910 when the authors were not sure
what planes were going to look like or do.
Lots of rattling good adventure using ropes hanging from the hovering Airship to
save someone. All the heroes were pure and honest and the boys went thru a trial
that taught them the value of honesty and truth. You stand by your friends
and family.
Blue Skies,
Steve
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From: VanDy <matthew.vandervort@gmail.com>
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Great read (non Pietenpol)
>
> Found a book grandpa gave me along with all of his Pietenpol logs and info..
> "Wager With The Wind" the Don Sheldon story, a great book about a young man who
decided Alaska was his place, and came to learn bush flying once
> he got there! I am only 1/4 way into the book, and so far I have
> gone from really really wanting to fly my T-Craft to alaska, to I
> WILL fly my T-Craft to Alaska! (I would fly the Pietenpol there,
> but the open cockpit might get a bit cold!)
>
> --------
> www.vansaviation.com follow my Piet rebuild there!
>
> almost dissasembled, getting ready to order all AN hardware and SS
> cable
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> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=333929#333929
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