---------------------------------------------------------- Pietenpol-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Mon 03/14/11: 22 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 01:58 AM - Re: Fittings (carson) 2. 01:58 AM - Re: Fittings (carson) 3. 03:56 AM - Re: Re: Fittings (Jack) 4. 04:12 AM - Re: Re: Fittings (Jack) 5. 04:26 AM - Re: Re: Fittings (Jack Phillips) 6. 05:43 AM - ceconite (Douwe Blumberg) 7. 07:37 AM - NAS, AN bolts & Fittings (shad bell) 8. 09:00 AM - Re: Re: Fittings (Charles Campbell) 9. 09:00 AM - 21" rims and shaved tires for sale (Douwe Blumberg) 10. 09:25 AM - Re: 21" rims and shaved tires for sale (Gboothe5) 11. 09:36 AM - drill bits, holes etc (shad bell) 12. 09:57 AM - Re: Re: Fittings (helspersew@aol.com) 13. 10:29 AM - Re: 21" rims and shaved tires for sale (Ken Bickers) 14. 11:38 AM - Re: Fittings (chase143(at)aol.com) 15. 02:17 PM - C85-8F (Piet2112) 16. 03:07 PM - Re: Re: Fittings (Charles Campbell) 17. 03:34 PM - Re: Fittings (Bill Church) 18. 06:03 PM - Re: Re: Fittings (Jack) 19. 06:49 PM - Re: C85-8F (Jack Phillips) 20. 07:08 PM - Re: C85-8F (gboothe5@comcast.net) 21. 08:31 PM - Great read (non Pietenpol) (VanDy) 22. 10:32 PM - Re: Great read (non Pietenpol) (Dortch, Steven D MAJ NG NG FORSCOM) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 01:58:45 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Fittings From: "carson" Sorry for being stupid but what is #10 As I have had the same trouble and would love to have the right sized drlii bit Carson Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=333832#333832 ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 01:58:45 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Fittings From: "carson" Sorry for being stupid but what is #10 As I have had the same trouble and would love to have the right sized drlii bit Carson Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=333833#333833 ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 03:56:26 AM PST US From: "Jack" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Fittings Carson there are three basic groups of drill sets, Letter, Number and Fractional. See a chart here. http://www.gearhob.com/eng/design/drill_eng.htm Jack DSM PS That was an interesting post earlier regarding the #10 drill, but... the plans call our a fractional size of 3/16th on many holes., hummm. -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of carson Sent: Monday, March 14, 2011 3:56 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Fittings Sorry for being stupid but what is #10 As I have had the same trouble and would love to have the right sized drlii bit Carson Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=333832#333832 ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 04:12:41 AM PST US From: "Jack" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Fittings Carson, I've had good luck with the higher end Harbor Freight dill sets seen here, http://www.harborfreight.com/115-piece-titanium-nitride-coated-m2-high-speed -steel-drill-bit-set-1611.html Another useful link, http://www.carbidedepot.com/resources.htm Jack DSM -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of carson Sent: Monday, March 14, 2011 3:56 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Fittings Sorry for being stupid but what is #10 As I have had the same trouble and would love to have the right sized drlii bit Carson Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=333833#333833 ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 04:26:23 AM PST US From: "Jack Phillips" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Fittings The Pietenpol plans were drawn before the AN standards came into being (they were developed around 1940), and include such oddities as # 7 wood screws to attach the horizontal stabilizer to the upper longerons. Try finding a # 7 screw at Home Depot. Aircraft hardware should be purchased for ANY critical component on a Pietenpol (or any other airplane), and the old standard is AN hardware. NAS or MS standard parts are the newer designations, but in many cases are just renumbered AN parts Ron Alexander wrote a good article on this in Sport Aviation a couple of years ago: http://exp-aircraft.com/library/alexande/hardware.html So you should use AN3 bolts where the plans call for 3/16", and use # 10 drills (or better yet, reamers) for the holes. Jack Phillips NX899JP "Icarus Plummet" Raleigh, NC -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jack Sent: Monday, March 14, 2011 6:54 AM Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Fittings Carson there are three basic groups of drill sets, Letter, Number and Fractional. See a chart here. http://www.gearhob.com/eng/design/drill_eng.htm Jack DSM PS That was an interesting post earlier regarding the #10 drill, but... the plans call our a fractional size of 3/16th on many holes., hummm. ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 05:43:56 AM PST US From: "Douwe Blumberg" Subject: Pietenpol-List: ceconite I need to cover my fuse and empennage here soon, and before I went ahead with an aircraft spruce order, thought I'd ck to see if anyone has some leftovers they want to sell? Douwe ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 07:37:14 AM PST US From: shad bell Subject: Pietenpol-List: NAS, AN bolts & Fittings a #11 drill bit is a good addition to have for 3/16 bolts as well.- I usu ally start with 11 and if the bolt is too tight take it to a #10, when dril ling through wood.- AN bolts have a couple 1000ths plus or minus-tolera nce on diameter.- NAS bolts are a closer tolerance, and I have found them usually .003" (aprox)-larger in diameter than the AN bolts.- This coul d be handy as your aircraft ages, if a bolt gets sloppy in the fitting from a little wear, try the NAS bolt and see if that tightens up the fit.- Bu t remember not to use NAS bolts were a large tension load is applied, they are primarily for sheer loads.-NAS bolts are easily recognized by the sli ghtly dished in head-and they have shorter threads than a comparable AN b olt. - Shad --- On Mon, 3/14/11, Jack wrote: From: Jack Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Fittings Carson there are three basic groups of drill sets, Letter, Number and Fractional.- See a chart here. http://www.gearhob.com/eng/design/drill_eng.htm Jack DSM PS- That was an interesting post earlier regarding the #10 drill, but... the plans call our a fractional size of 3/16th on many holes., hummm. -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of carson Sent: Monday, March 14, 2011 3:56 AM Subject:- Pietenpol-List: Re: Fittings Sorry for being stupid but what is #10 As I have had the same trouble and would love to have the right sized drlii bit Carson Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=333832#333832 le, List Admin. =0A=0A=0A ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 09:00:54 AM PST US From: "Charles Campbell" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Fittings I would like to add that the AN# refers to the diameter in 16ths of an inch -- AN3 means 3/16-inch diameter, AN4 means 4/16-inch (1/4) diameter etc all the way to at least AN7 which is the largest I have checked on and it is 7/16-inch in diameter. So with an AN3 bolt isn't it logical to use a 3/16-inch dia drill bit? I don't even know where I could buy a #10 drill bit. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jack" Sent: Monday, March 14, 2011 6:54 AM Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Fittings > > Carson there are three basic groups of drill sets, Letter, Number and > Fractional. See a chart here. > http://www.gearhob.com/eng/design/drill_eng.htm > Jack > DSM > PS That was an interesting post earlier regarding the #10 drill, but... > the > plans call our a fractional size of 3/16th on many holes., hummm. > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of carson > Sent: Monday, March 14, 2011 3:56 AM > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Fittings > > > Sorry for being stupid but what is #10 > As I have had the same trouble and would love to have the right sized > drlii > bit > Carson > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=333832#333832 > > > ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 09:00:55 AM PST US From: "Douwe Blumberg" Subject: Pietenpol-List: 21" rims and shaved tires for sale Hey all, In the ground loop incident, one wire wheel was damaged as some of the spokes broke, but the rim was undamaged. In rebuilding, I decided to go with a different tire/wheel which will match the new look of 799B better. I therefore have two 21" alloy Sun rims punched and dimpled which I purchased new from Buchannans and two shaved smooth motocross tires with tubes for sale. Anyone interested can contact me offline at: douweblumberg@eartrhlink.net You'll get a spamblocker message, but disregard. Just put "wheels" in the subject and I'll catch the message in my suspect email. Douwe ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 09:25:46 AM PST US From: "Gboothe5" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: 21" rims and shaved tires for sale ".which will match the new look of 799B better.." Ahh, the mystery. I love it. Gary From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Douwe Blumberg Sent: Monday, March 14, 2011 8:48 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: 21" rims and shaved tires for sale Hey all, In the ground loop incident, one wire wheel was damaged as some of the spokes broke, but the rim was undamaged. In rebuilding, I decided to go with a different tire/wheel which will match the new look of 799B better. I therefore have two 21" alloy Sun rims punched and dimpled which I purchased new from Buchannans and two shaved smooth motocross tires with tubes for sale. Anyone interested can contact me offline at: douweblumberg@eartrhlink.net You'll get a spamblocker message, but disregard. Just put "wheels" in the subject and I'll catch the message in my suspect email. Douwe ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 09:36:45 AM PST US From: shad bell Subject: Pietenpol-List: drill bits, holes etc 3/16 bit would be fine, but the reason for a #10 is it is a tighter fit.- This is especially important with riveting-ex. #40 for 3/32 rivets, #30 for 1/8 , and #21 for 5/32 rivets...so on and so on.- A nice slip fit is desirable to keep the bolt (or any fastener) from moving around in the hole , thus enlongating it, and shortening the service life.- One-property -of wood is it is constantly expanding contracting due to moisture conten t, and temperature.- And once you drill and fit your wood structure you n eed to varnish it, this usually causes the hole to get tighter when the var nish runs down in the hole and dries, needing drilled, or better reamed, be fore final assembly.- I apply a heavy coat of varnish to the bolts, befor e I final install them in a wooden structure, to try to get the inside of t he bolt hole sealed.- So just make sure your bolts fit good and tight in thier holes with out slop, and keep on building.- Most aviation supply ho uses will have #ed drills and fractional drills, hell, my plans for my project call for lettered drill sizes, I just used fractionals they fit the bolts n ice and tight. - Do not archive Shad --- On Mon, 3/14/11, Charles Campbell wrote: From: Charles Campbell Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Fittings ream.net> I would like to add that the AN# refers to the diameter in 16ths of an inch -- AN3 means 3/16-inch diameter, AN4 means 4/16-inch (1/4) diameter et c all the way to at least AN7 which is the largest I have checked on and it i s 7/16-inch in diameter.- So with an AN3 bolt isn't it logical to use a 3/16-inch dia drill bit?- I don't even know where I could buy a #10 drill bit. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jack" Sent: Monday, March 14, 2011 6:54 AM Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Fittings > > Carson there are three basic groups of drill sets, Letter, Number and > Fractional.- See a chart here. > http://www.gearhob.com/eng/design/drill_eng.htm > Jack > DSM > PS- That was an interesting post earlier regarding the #10 drill, but.. . > the > plans call our a fractional size of 3/16th on many holes., hummm. > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of carson > Sent: Monday, March 14, 2011 3:56 AM > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > Subject:- Pietenpol-List: Re: Fittings > > > Sorry for being stupid but what is #10 > As I have had the same trouble and would love to have the right sized > drlii > bit > Carson > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=333832#333832 > > > le, List Admin. =0A=0A=0A ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 09:57:30 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Fittings From: helspersew@aol.com I used 3/16" drill bits to drill all those sized holes. Seems to fly fine s o far. Dan Helsper Puryear, TN. -----Original Message----- From: Charles Campbell Sent: Mon, Mar 14, 2011 11:01 am Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Fittings ream.net> I would like to add that the AN# refers to the diameter in 16ths of an nch -- AN3 means 3/16-inch diameter, AN4 means 4/16-inch (1/4) diameter etc ll the way to at least AN7 which is the largest I have checked on and it is /16-inch in diameter. So with an AN3 bolt isn't it logical to use a /16-inch dia drill bit? I don't even know where I could buy a #10 drill it. ---- Original Message ----- rom: "Jack" o: ent: Monday, March 14, 2011 6:54 AM ubject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Fittings Carson there are three basic groups of drill sets, Letter, Number and Fractional. See a chart here. http://www.gearhob.com/eng/design/drill_eng.htm Jack DSM PS That was an interesting post earlier regarding the #10 drill, but... the plans call our a fractional size of 3/16th on many holes., hummm. -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of carson Sent: Monday, March 14, 2011 3:56 AM To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Fittings Sorry for being stupid but what is #10 As I have had the same trouble and would love to have the right sized drlii bit Carson Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=333832#333832 -======================== -= - The Pietenpol-List Email Forum - -= Use the Matronics List Features Navigator to browse -= the many List utilities such as List Un/Subscription, -= Archive Search & Download, 7-Day Browse, Chat, FAQ, -= Photoshare, and much much more: - -= --> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List - -======================== -= - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS - -= Same great content also available via the Web Forums! - -= --> http://forums.matronics.com - -======================== -= - List Contribution Web Site - -= Thank you for your generous support! -= -Matt Dralle, List Admin. -= --> http://www.matronics.com/contribution -======================== ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 10:29:02 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: 21" rims and shaved tires for sale From: Ken Bickers Douwe, I already have a set of rims and tires. But have an indirectly related question. How did you go about having the tires shaved smooth? What sorts of places will do that? Or did you do it yourself? Mine would look much more period if I had that done. Cheers, Ken On Mon, Mar 14, 2011 at 10:20 AM, Gboothe5 wrote: > which will match the new look of 799B better. Ahh, the mystery. I love > it > > > Gary > > > From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Douwe > Blumberg > Sent: Monday, March 14, 2011 8:48 AM > To: pietenpolgroup > Subject: Pietenpol-List: 21" rims and shaved tires for sale > > > Hey all, > > > In the ground loop incident, one wire wheel was damaged as some of the > spokes broke, but the rim was undamaged. In rebuilding, I decided to go > with a different tire/wheel which will match the new look of 799B better. > > > I therefore have two 21 alloy Sun rims punched and dimpled which I > purchased new from Buchannans and two shaved smooth motocross tires with > tubes for sale. > > > Anyone interested can contact me offline at: douweblumberg@eartrhlink.net > > > Youll get a spamblocker message, but disregard. Just put wheels in the > subject and Ill catch the message in my suspect email. > > > Douwe > > > http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List > > http://forums.matronics.com > > http://www.matronics.com/contribution > > ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 11:38:02 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Fittings From: "chase143(at)aol.com" Just as important as the drill bit size is the point angle. The #10 type drill bits (I used a lot on my RV-10), I believe have a sharper bit angle for metal then standard bits (wood or general purpose). I think as a general rule the harder the material the steeper the angle, something like 70 for wood, 90 aluminum, 135 for SS (these are guesses, I'm not at my shop). But as mentioned before, yes the number (#10) bits have a slightly closer tolerance for rivets etc. Steve -------- Steve www.mypiet.com Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=333882#333882 ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 02:17:19 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: C85-8F From: "Piet2112" I hope I don't offend anyone on the list because I haven't had the pleasure of meeting any of you (other than Axel), but I was able to aquire a non-automobile engine for my Piet. I'm looking forward to it's rebuild and hope and pray there aren't too many surprises. Curt Merdan Flower Mound, TX Long Fuse, Continental C85 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=333897#333897 ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 03:07:36 PM PST US From: "Charles Campbell" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Fittings Thanks, Jack, I just ordered a set of the drill bits. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jack" Sent: Monday, March 14, 2011 7:10 AM Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Fittings > > Carson, > I've had good luck with the higher end Harbor Freight dill sets seen here, > http://www.harborfreight.com/115-piece-titanium-nitride-coated-m2-high-speed > -steel-drill-bit-set-1611.html > > Another useful link, http://www.carbidedepot.com/resources.htm > > Jack > DSM > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of carson > Sent: Monday, March 14, 2011 3:56 AM > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Fittings > > > Sorry for being stupid but what is #10 > As I have had the same trouble and would love to have the right sized > drlii > bit > Carson > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=333833#333833 > > > ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 03:34:08 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Fittings From: "Bill Church" AN bolt tolerances are quite tight, if compared to hardware store bolts. In general, AN bolt sizes ARE multiples of 1/16". i.e. AN4 = 4 x 1/16", or 1/4". The exception is AN3, which is actually a #10 bolt, which has a diameter of 0.190". Now, this is REALLY close to 3/16" (0.1875"), so it makes sense to use that size. The actual MAXIMUM diameters of the shanks of AN bolts are typically .001" smaller than the nominal size - so an AN4 bolt will have a maximum shank diameter of 0.250 - .001 = 0.249". Likewise, the MAXIMUM shank diameter of an AN3 bolt will be 0.190 - .001 = 0.189". The MINIMUM shank diam is only a few thousandths less than the maximum allowable value (.003 for AN3 thru AN6). When drilling holes in metals (aluminum or steel) for AN bolts to pass thru, some clearance is necessary. As was suggested, for an AN3 bolt, use a #10 drill (0.1935"). This will allow a clearance of .005" or .006". Using a 13/64" (0.2031") bit will result in a hole that is a bit sloppy, and could result in too much play in the connection. When drilling holes in wood, one can probably get away with using a 3/16" diameter drill bit for an AN3 bolt, since wood is relatively soft (especially compared to the bolts), so it will "give" when the bolt is pushed in. Also, any wobble in the bit will effectively increase the hole diameter, very slightly. Again, as was stated before, it would be good practice to ream the holes after varnishing or painting. The following website has lots of handy charts for AN and MS bolts and other hardware. Just click on the type of hardware, and look for the little tool icons labeled "tech info" for the relevant charts: http://www.gen-aircraft-hardware.com/ Bill C. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=333902#333902 ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 06:03:20 PM PST US From: "Jack" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Fittings Bill, SDG (so damn good) I printed it! Jack DSM Do not archive -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill Church Sent: Monday, March 14, 2011 5:30 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Fittings AN bolt tolerances are quite tight, if compared to hardware store bolts. In general, AN bolt sizes ARE multiples of 1/16". i.e. AN4 = 4 x 1/16", or 1/4". The exception is AN3, which is actually a #10 bolt, which has a diameter of 0.190". Now, this is REALLY close to 3/16" (0.1875"), so it makes sense to use that size. The actual MAXIMUM diameters of the shanks of AN bolts are typically .001" smaller than the nominal size - so an AN4 bolt will have a maximum shank diameter of 0.250 - .001 = 0.249". Likewise, the MAXIMUM shank diameter of an AN3 bolt will be 0.190 - .001 = 0.189". The MINIMUM shank diam is only a few thousandths less than the maximum allowable value (.003 for AN3 thru AN6). When drilling holes in metals (aluminum or steel) for AN bolts to pass thru, some clearance is necessary. As was suggested, for an AN3 bolt, use a #10 drill (0.1935"). This will allow a clearance of .005" or .006". Using a 13/64" (0.2031") bit will result in a hole that is a bit sloppy, and could result in too much play in the connection. When drilling holes in wood, one can probably get away with using a 3/16" diameter drill bit for an AN3 bolt, since wood is relatively soft (especially compared to the bolts), so it will "give" when the bolt is pushed in. Also, any wobble in the bit will effectively increase the hole diameter, very slightly. Again, as was stated before, it would be good practice to ream the holes after varnishing or painting. The following website has lots of handy charts for AN and MS bolts and other hardware. Just click on the type of hardware, and look for the little tool icons labeled "tech info" for the relevant charts: http://www.gen-aircraft-hardware.com/ Bill C. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=333902#333902 ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 06:49:36 PM PST US From: "Jack Phillips" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: C85-8F Most excellent Curt. In 3 more days I can tell you just how smart a move that was, compared to trying to make an automobile engine do something it was never designed to do. Jack Phillips NX899JP "Icarus Plummet" Raleigh, NC -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Piet2112 Sent: Monday, March 14, 2011 5:11 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: C85-8F I hope I don't offend anyone on the list because I haven't had the pleasure of meeting any of you (other than Axel), but I was able to aquire a non-automobile engine for my Piet. I'm looking forward to it's rebuild and hope and pray there aren't too many surprises. Curt Merdan Flower Mound, TX Long Fuse, Continental C85 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=333897#333897 ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 07:08:11 PM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: C85-8F From: gboothe5@comcast.net Jack, Need more steel? Price is good! Gary ------Original Message------ From: Jack Phillips Sender: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com ReplyTo: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: C85-8F Sent: Mar 14, 2011 6:43 PM Most excellent Curt. In 3 more days I can tell you just how smart a move that was, compared to trying to make an automobile engine do something it was never designed to do. Jack Phillips NX899JP "Icarus Plummet" Raleigh, NC -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Piet2112 Sent: Monday, March 14, 2011 5:11 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: C85-8F I hope I don't offend anyone on the list because I haven't had the pleasure of meeting any of you (other than Axel), but I was able to aquire a non-automobile engine for my Piet. I'm looking forward to it's rebuild and hope and pray there aren't too many surprises. Curt Merdan Flower Mound, TX Long Fuse, Continental C85 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=333897#333897 Sent on the Sprint Now Network from my BlackBerry ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 08:31:17 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Great read (non Pietenpol) From: "VanDy" Found a book grandpa gave me along with all of his Pietenpol logs and info.. "Wager With The Wind" the Don Sheldon story, a great book about a young man who decided Alaska was his place, and came to learn bush flying once he got there! I am only 1/4 way into the book, and so far I have gone from really really wanting to fly my T-Craft to alaska, to I WILL fly my T-Craft to Alaska! (I would fly the Pietenpol there, but the open cockpit might get a bit cold!) -------- www.vansaviation.com follow my Piet rebuild there! almost dissasembled, getting ready to order all AN hardware and SS cable Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=333929#333929 ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 10:32:01 PM PST US From: "Dortch, Steven D MAJ NG NG FORSCOM" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Great read (non Pietenpol) Before I got tired of packing and moving them I had quite a collection of "boys" flying adventure books. At garage, estate and library sales I found some great books. The most fun were written about 1910 when the authors were not sure what planes were going to look like or do. Lots of rattling good adventure using ropes hanging from the hovering Airship to save someone. All the heroes were pure and honest and the boys went thru a trial that taught them the value of honesty and truth. You stand by your friends and family. Blue Skies, Steve ----- Original Message ----- From: VanDy Subject: Pietenpol-List: Great read (non Pietenpol) > > Found a book grandpa gave me along with all of his Pietenpol logs and info.. > "Wager With The Wind" the Don Sheldon story, a great book about a young man who decided Alaska was his place, and came to learn bush flying once > he got there! I am only 1/4 way into the book, and so far I have > gone from really really wanting to fly my T-Craft to alaska, to I > WILL fly my T-Craft to Alaska! (I would fly the Pietenpol there, > but the open cockpit might get a bit cold!) > > -------- > www.vansaviation.com follow my Piet rebuild there! > > almost dissasembled, getting ready to order all AN hardware and SS > cable > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=333929#333929 > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message pietenpol-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Pietenpol-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/pietenpol-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/pietenpol-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.