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1. 04:02 AM - Re: Fiberglass fuel tanks and ethenol (Jerry Dotson)
2. 04:48 AM - Re: Stromberg Carb (Charles Campbell)
3. 05:08 AM - Re: Re: Fiberglass fuel tanks and ethenol (Charles Campbell)
4. 05:12 AM - Re: Fiberglass fuel tanks and ethenol (Charles Campbell)
5. 05:26 AM - Re: and Kevin Bicker's passed his Private Exam in........ (AircamperN11MS)
6. 05:42 AM - Re: Fiberglass fuel tanks and ethenol (AircamperN11MS)
7. 05:57 AM - Re: Re: Fiberglass fuel tanks and ethenol (Jack Phillips)
8. 06:02 AM - Re: I announced a while ago.....my DVD is again available (TOM STINEMETZE)
9. 06:05 AM - Re: Re: Fiberglass fuel tanks and ethenol (Gboothe5)
10. 06:24 AM - Re: Fiberglass fuel tanks and ethenol (AircamperN11MS)
11. 06:35 AM - Re: Re: Fiberglass fuel tanks and ethenol (airlion)
12. 06:42 AM - Re: Re: Fiberglass fuel tanks and ethenol (gboothe5@comcast.net)
13. 06:53 AM - Re: Fiberglass fuel tanks and ethenol (AircamperN11MS)
14. 07:03 AM - Re: Fiberglass fuel tanks and ethenol (carson)
15. 08:23 AM - Re: Re: Fiberglass fuel tanks and ethenol (Ken Bickers)
16. 08:36 AM - plywood (Bob & Michelle Jauch)
17. 08:36 AM - Re: Fiberglass fuel tanks and ethenol (Doug Dever)
18. 09:03 AM - Re: plywood (kevinpurtee)
19. 09:05 AM - Re: Re: Fiberglass fuel tanks and ethenol (Charles Campbell)
20. 10:27 AM - ETHENOL IN NC (TGSTONE236@aol.com)
21. 10:46 AM - Re: plywood (Richard Schreiber)
22. 11:17 AM - Re: Fiberglass fuel tanks and ethenol (womenfly2)
23. 11:25 AM - One more near disaster averted (TOM STINEMETZE)
24. 11:49 AM - Re: ETHENOL IN NC (Charles Campbell)
25. 11:50 AM - Re: Re: I announced a while ago....., Dan Helsper's prop-carving CD still avilable also (Charles Campbell)
26. 12:11 PM - Re: Re: I announced a while ago....., Dan Helsper's prop-carving CD still avilable also (KM Heide CPO/FAAOP)
27. 12:12 PM - Fiberglass Fuel Tanks (Gordon Bowen)
28. 12:13 PM - Re: ETHENOL IN NC (Charles Campbell)
29. 02:42 PM - Re: Stromberg Carb (Bill Church)
30. 02:59 PM - Re: ETHENOL IN NC (Bill Church)
31. 03:01 PM - Re: ETHENOL IN NC (Jack Phillips)
32. 03:07 PM - Re: Fiberglass fuel tanks and ethenol (Bill Church)
33. 03:30 PM - Jack's Moratorium is Almost Up (John Hofmann)
34. 03:47 PM - FW: [Flitzer-Builders] here you go Ivan (Gboothe5)
35. 03:47 PM - Re: Jack's Moratorium is Almost Up (Gboothe5)
36. 04:04 PM - Re: Jack's Moratorium is Almost Up (Jack Phillips)
37. 04:17 PM - Re: Jack's Moratorium is Almost Up (Bill Church)
38. 04:36 PM - Re: FW: [Flitzer-Builders] here you go Ivan (Jack Phillips)
39. 05:03 PM - Re: FW: [Flitzer-Builders] here you go Ivan (Gboothe5)
40. 05:11 PM - Re: [Flitzer-Builders] here you go Ivan (Ken_P)
41. 05:37 PM - Re: Re: [Flitzer-Builders] here you go Ivan (Jack Phillips)
42. 05:39 PM - What a Day to Fly!! (Jack Phillips)
43. 05:45 PM - Re: ETHENOL IN NC (Charles Campbell)
44. 06:30 PM - Re: What a Day to Fly!! (Gboothe5)
45. 07:47 PM - Re: FW: [Flitzer-Builders] here you go Ivan (Greg Cardinal)
46. 08:31 PM - Re: [Flitzer-Builders] here you go Ivan (Ken_P)
47. 08:37 PM - Re: Jack's Moratorium is Almost Up (K5YAC)
48. 08:57 PM - Re: Re: [Flitzer-Builders] here you go Ivan (Matthew VanDervort)
49. 08:58 PM - Re: C85-8F (Piet2112)
50. 11:14 PM - Re: I announced a while ago....., Dan Helsper's prop-carving CD (Billy McCaskill)
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| Subject: | Re: Fiberglass fuel tanks and ethenol |
Shad I faced the same dilemma and embarked on a build your own aluminum tank. It
has been a long process. I welded all the seams. Warped bad, but that's what
hammers and oak blocks are for. I put the Wilson glove on it last night.
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Jerry Dotson
59 Daniel Johnson Rd
Baker, FL 32531
Started building NX510JD July, 2009
wing, tailfeathers done, fuselage rolling
using Lycoming O-235
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| Subject: | Re: Stromberg Carb |
Yeah! I'm planning to use an Aeroinjector, also.
----- Original Message -----
From: bradandlinda tds.net
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, March 16, 2011 9:29 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Stromberg Carb
Dear Curt, Try Precision Engines (425) 347-2800 ask for Bob. He's
very knowledgble on carbs, and they have Stromberg parts. Cost of O.H.
is $795 plus parts (float needle $139, float needle seat $157). I
decided to go with a new Aeroinjector "carb" on my A65. They have 3
different sizes that cover different h.p. ranges. They are only $395.
They will not ice up so no carb heat is needed. They will not flood.
One or two blades to start. They offer a4"DiaX2.75 " air filter that
mounts on the bottom inside the cowling (don't use ram air intake as it
will make the eng run lean). No primer needed! They have no bowl or
float valve to stick or leak. Aero Conversions Products
(aeroconversions.com) (920) 231-8297 ask for Mark Schaible. The guys
in our area that have them swear by them. (experimental acft only)
Brad Williams NX29NX
On Wed, Mar 16, 2011 at 2:14 PM, Piet2112 <curtdm@gmail.com> wrote:
Does anyone know where to find any information on a NA-S3 (/B
stamped)
carburetor. The Upper Throttle Body has the NA-S3/B and the Main
Body
has a parts list number of 380167-3.
I have found lots of information for the NA-S3A1 carb like the
Overhaul
Manual, Parts Manuals, but I cannot figure out what the difference
is
between the /B and the A1.
I'm disassembling it to find out the venturi and jet sizes to make
sure they
are correct for the C85.
Don't worry Gary, If Jack replies today, It will be Corvair
friendly.
Thanks Y'all,
Curt Merdan
Flower Mound, TX
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| Subject: | Re: Fiberglass fuel tanks and ethenol |
Jerry's post mentioning the O-235 made me remember to post the latest on
"my" O-235. We decided yesterday that the engine is too old and probably
cannot get parts for it and if the parts are available they would probably
cost an arm and leg. It's a WW2 version (the engine - not my arm and leg.
Although, come to think about it, my arms and legs are WW2 versions, also.)
So I've decided to go a different route. Close your ears, Jack, probably a
Corvair.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jerry Dotson" <jdotson@centurylink.net>
Sent: Thursday, March 17, 2011 6:59 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Fiberglass fuel tanks and ethenol
> <jdotson@centurylink.net>
>
> Shad I faced the same dilemma and embarked on a build your own aluminum
> tank. It has been a long process. I welded all the seams. Warped bad, but
> that's what hammers and oak blocks are for. I put the Wilson glove on it
> last night.
>
> --------
> Jerry Dotson
> 59 Daniel Johnson Rd
> Baker, FL 32531
>
> Started building NX510JD July, 2009
> wing, tailfeathers done, fuselage rolling
> using Lycoming O-235
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=334160#334160
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Fiberglass fuel tanks and ethenol |
Shad, keep us posted on what you find out about the fiberglass/ethenol
thing. I would be interested in finding out the answer to your
question. Chuck
----- Original Message -----
From: shad bell
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, March 16, 2011 11:49 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Fiberglass fuel tanks and ethenol
Hello Group, need some input. Does anyone have
experiance(success) with fiberglass fuel tanks and the newer auto fuels
containing some ethenol? I am getting to the stage of fuel tank
construction on my bipe, and fiberglass would be eaiser for the shape of
my tank. I have a mold made, and am using a Lycoming (yes all you
corvair haters a Lycoming). I am thinking ahead a little and a little
concerned for the future of 100LL and would like it if I did not have to
build another tank due to fuel availability. I would also like to use
blended 100LL and auto gas to keep the flying more afordable. Dad used
vinyl- ester resin, but cant find the "cupon sample" to soak in todays
corn laced gasoline.
Shad
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| Subject: | Re: and Kevin Bicker's passed his Private Exam in........ |
The weather should be good as long as you don't leave me in charge of it.
--------
Scott Liefeld
Flying N11MS since March 1972
Steel Tube
C-85-12
Wire Wheels
Brodhead in 1996
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| Subject: | Re: Fiberglass fuel tanks and ethenol |
Shad,
Don't use fiberglass if you are planning on any auto gas. It will not be good.
Dad has a glass tank in his KR-2 and while using auto gas the tank melted.
Of coarse there were fumes in the cockpit first then came the leaks. It happened
to him twice. Mike Madrid also had it happen in his GN-1. He finally took
the J-3 tank out of his Flybaby and put it in the Piet. A metal tank is the
only way to go if you are considering anything other then aircraft fuel. Remember
that what ever replaces 100LL will need to be compatible with composite
airframes. There are too many production aircraft to do anything else. My nose
tank is out of an Opal Kadet car and my center section tank is a Cessna 140
wing tank. That gives me 22 gallons usable. My butt is not designed for that
much fuel, but it's nice to have it.
--------
Scott Liefeld
Flying N11MS since March 1972
Steel Tube
C-85-12
Wire Wheels
Brodhead in 1996
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| Subject: | Re: Fiberglass fuel tanks and ethenol |
I'll wait till tomorrow (when the moratorium is over) to reply
Jack Phillips
NX899JP "Icarus Plummet"
Raleigh, NC
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Charles
Campbell
Sent: Thursday, March 17, 2011 8:03 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Fiberglass fuel tanks and ethenol
<cncampbell@windstream.net>
Jerry's post mentioning the O-235 made me remember to post the latest on
"my" O-235. We decided yesterday that the engine is too old and probably
cannot get parts for it and if the parts are available they would probably
cost an arm and leg. It's a WW2 version (the engine - not my arm and leg.
Although, come to think about it, my arms and legs are WW2 versions, also.)
So I've decided to go a different route. Close your ears, Jack, probably a
Corvair.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jerry Dotson" <jdotson@centurylink.net>
Sent: Thursday, March 17, 2011 6:59 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Fiberglass fuel tanks and ethenol
> <jdotson@centurylink.net>
>
> Shad I faced the same dilemma and embarked on a build your own aluminum
> tank. It has been a long process. I welded all the seams. Warped bad, but
> that's what hammers and oak blocks are for. I put the Wilson glove on it
> last night.
>
> --------
> Jerry Dotson
> 59 Daniel Johnson Rd
> Baker, FL 32531
>
> Started building NX510JD July, 2009
> wing, tailfeathers done, fuselage rolling
> using Lycoming O-235
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=334160#334160
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: I announced a while ago.....my DVD is again available |
I know. I'm a BAADD boy.
Tom
>>> "Bill Church" <billspiet@sympatico.ca> 3/16/2011 6:09 PM >>>
You never should have pirated that first copy.
Karma will get you every time.
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| Subject: | Re: Fiberglass fuel tanks and ethenol |
GO CORVAIR! GO CORVAIR! GO CORVAIR! GO CORVAIR! GO CORVAIR! GO CORVAIR! GO
CORVAIR! GO CORVAIR! GO CORVAIR! GO CORVAIR! GO CORVAIR! GO CORVAIR! GO
CORVAIR! GO CORVAIR! GO CORVAIR! GO CORVAIR! GO CORVAIR! GO CORVAIR! GO
CORVAIR! GO CORVAIR! GO CORVAIR! GO CORVAIR! GO CORVAIR! GO CORVAIR! GO
CORVAIR! GO CORVAIR! GO CORVAIR! GO CORVAIR! GO CORVAIR! GO CORVAIR! GO
CORVAIR! GO CORVAIR!....
Gary
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jack
Phillips
Sent: Thursday, March 17, 2011 5:55 AM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Fiberglass fuel tanks and ethenol
<pietflyr@bellsouth.net>
I'll wait till tomorrow (when the moratorium is over) to reply
Jack Phillips
NX899JP "Icarus Plummet"
Raleigh, NC
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Charles
Campbell
Sent: Thursday, March 17, 2011 8:03 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Fiberglass fuel tanks and ethenol
<cncampbell@windstream.net>
Jerry's post mentioning the O-235 made me remember to post the latest on
"my" O-235. We decided yesterday that the engine is too old and probably
cannot get parts for it and if the parts are available they would probably
cost an arm and leg. It's a WW2 version (the engine - not my arm and leg.
Although, come to think about it, my arms and legs are WW2 versions, also.)
So I've decided to go a different route. Close your ears, Jack, probably a
Corvair.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jerry Dotson" <jdotson@centurylink.net>
Sent: Thursday, March 17, 2011 6:59 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Fiberglass fuel tanks and ethenol
> <jdotson@centurylink.net>
>
> Shad I faced the same dilemma and embarked on a build your own aluminum
> tank. It has been a long process. I welded all the seams. Warped bad, but
> that's what hammers and oak blocks are for. I put the Wilson glove on it
> last night.
>
> --------
> Jerry Dotson
> 59 Daniel Johnson Rd
> Baker, FL 32531
>
> Started building NX510JD July, 2009
> wing, tailfeathers done, fuselage rolling
> using Lycoming O-235
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=334160#334160
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Fiberglass fuel tanks and ethenol |
Gary,
Is that the starting proceedure for the (what did you call it?) Corvair? I had
one once. It was a car. It didn't go fast enough to fly. Mostly just broke
down next to the highway. Hope yours runs better.
All joking aside, There used to be a yellow Piet at Corona years ago with a Corvair
in it. A gentleman named Alan owned and built it. That thing would out
climb my mine and sounded OK too. Alan moved to AZ when he retired and built
an "A" powered Piet. Now he has a pair of them. Lucky guy. Both of them built
to plans.
--------
Scott Liefeld
Flying N11MS since March 1972
Steel Tube
C-85-12
Wire Wheels
Brodhead in 1996
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| Subject: | Re: Fiberglass fuel tanks and ethenol |
Jerry, are you going to sun n fun? I am flying down on Saturday the 26 with 2
other Piets an a gaggle of others from Carrollton and camping out with them. Our
Piets will be in the homebuilt area. Gardiner
----- Original Message ----
From: Jerry Dotson <jdotson@centurylink.net>
Sent: Thu, March 17, 2011 6:59:55 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Fiberglass fuel tanks and ethenol
Shad I faced the same dilemma and embarked on a build your own aluminum tank. It
has been a long process. I welded all the seams. Warped bad, but that's what
hammers and oak blocks are for. I put the Wilson glove on it last night.
--------
Jerry Dotson
59 Daniel Johnson Rd
Baker, FL 32531
Started building NX510JD July, 2009
wing, tailfeathers done, fuselage rolling
using Lycoming O-235
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=334160#334160
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| Subject: | Re: Fiberglass fuel tanks and ethenol |
Ha-ha! Don't encourage Jack! Hope mine runs better too...I'm betting my life on
it!
See you at Frazier Lake this year?
Gary
------Original Message------
From: AircamperN11MS
Sender: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
ReplyTo: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Fiberglass fuel tanks and ethenol
Sent: Mar 17, 2011 6:22 AM
Gary,
Is that the starting proceedure for the (what did you call it?) Corvair? I had
one once. It was a car. It didn't go fast enough to fly. Mostly just broke
down next to the highway. Hope yours runs better.
All joking aside, There used to be a yellow Piet at Corona years ago with a Corvair
in it. A gentleman named Alan owned and built it. That thing would out
climb my mine and sounded OK too. Alan moved to AZ when he retired and built
an "A" powered Piet. Now he has a pair of them. Lucky guy. Both of them built
to plans.
--------
Scott Liefeld
Flying N11MS since March 1972
Steel Tube
C-85-12
Wire Wheels
Brodhead in 1996
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=334179#334179
Sent on the Sprint Now Network from my BlackBerry
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| Subject: | Re: Fiberglass fuel tanks and ethenol |
I'll be there as long as the weather Gods are nice to me.
It's possible that I'll bring friends with me to. They'll look like bugs in my
teeth.
--------
Scott Liefeld
Flying N11MS since March 1972
Steel Tube
C-85-12
Wire Wheels
Brodhead in 1996
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| Subject: | Re: Fiberglass fuel tanks and ethenol |
Shad
I have been tossing up about a fiberglass tank and think that I may go that
way.
A while ago I spoke to the people at the Jabaru factory in Bunderburg
Australia all the Jab's have fiberglass tanks and a lot of people run them on unleaded,anyway
they use a sloshing compound in the tank that won't react with
ethenol.
If you like I can call and get the name if you like
Carson
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| Subject: | Re: Fiberglass fuel tanks and ethenol |
Shad, Carson,
I built mine with fiberglass and epoxy resin. I'm aware that this
precludes use of auto fuel purchased at service stations, since all of
that has corn additives in it. Fortunately, our FBO still is able to
buy Mogas prior to the addition of the additives and, I figure, 100LL
or some sort of direct replacement will be available into the
foreseeable future.
For me, the ease of building in fiberglass was attractive.
Truthfully, I don't much like aluminum. It wants to crack. It
doesn't feel right and the splinters hurt.
The way I did it was to buy a couple of sheets of the 1/4" (or 3/8", I
can't recall at the moment) thick foam that is sold in 2' x 4' sheets
from the marine building supply houses, though I think Aircraft Spruce
sells it, too. I fiberglassed both sides with a two or three layers
of regular bi cloth. This produced a pair of nice stiff boards that
could be cut just like plywood into a bottom, sides, etc. The pieces
were assembled into the tank shape with a thick putty epoxy that is
used for marine repairs. Before the joints dried, I smoothed these
into nice filets. Once the parts were assembed (and before the top
was put on), I used a few layers of fiberglass tape, to reinforce the
joints, both inside and out. Also before putting on the top is the
time to drill holes and install the strainer and fuel line fittings
When putting on the top, you cannot use the interior reinforcement
tapes, but you can use a liberal amount of the epoxy putty and then
double-up the taping on the outside. The result is a nice, stiff fuel
cell. It won't look like the outside of a Lancair, but it doesn't need
to. I even put in a baffle, using the same techique. It didn't take
long to build and ends up basically using simple wood working skills.
Cheers, Ken
On Thu, Mar 17, 2011 at 8:01 AM, carson <carsonvella@yahoo.com.au> wrote:
>
> Shad
> I have been tossing up about a fiberglass tank and think that I may go that
> way.
> A while ago I spoke to the people at the Jabaru factory in Bunderburg
> Australia all the Jab's have fiberglass tanks and a lot of people run them on
unleaded,anyway they use a sloshing compound in the tank that won't react with
ethenol.
> If you like I can call and get the name if you like
> Carson
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=334188#334188
>
>
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Hey All,
I just finished the tail and getting ready to start the fuselage.
Is marine AA-fir plywood acceptable for the fuselage sides and bottom? It"s
available here in town so I would save on shipping.
Thanks,
Bob Jauch
Fort Wayne,IN
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| Subject: | Fiberglass fuel tanks and ethenol |
If you use vinyl ester resin you should be ok=2C but not 100% sure on that.
Do not use epoxy or poly ester resin.
Doug Dever
In beautiful Stow Ohio
From: aviatorbell@yahoo.com
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Fiberglass fuel tanks and ethenol
Hello Group=2C need some input. Does anyone have experiance(success) with
fiberglass fuel tanks and the newer auto fuels containing some ethenol? I
am getting to the stage of fuel tank construction on my bipe=2C and fibergl
ass would be eaiser for the shape of my tank. I have a mold made=2C and am
using a Lycoming (yes all you corvair haters a Lycoming). I am thinking a
head a little and a little concerned for the future of 100LL and would like
it if I did not have to build another tank due to fuel availability. I wo
uld also like to use blended 100LL and auto gas to keep the flying more afo
rdable. Dad used vinyl- ester resin=2C but cant find the "cupon sample" to
soak in todays corn laced gasoline.
Shad
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Hi Bob - I used aircraft grade mahogany. There are some well-respected aircraft
that use marine ply. The Fly Baby has marine plywood all over the fuselage.
FWIW
Kevin
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Kevin "Axel" Purtee
NX899KP
Austin/Georgetown, TX
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| Subject: | Re: Fiberglass fuel tanks and ethenol |
Yeah! Yeah! Yeah! That's what we need! We don't have ethenol in NC yet but
we probably will have before this fuel thing is over -- if ever!
----- Original Message -----
From: "carson" <carsonvella@yahoo.com.au>
Sent: Thursday, March 17, 2011 10:01 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Fiberglass fuel tanks and ethenol
>
> Shad
> I have been tossing up about a fiberglass tank and think that I may go
> that
> way.
> A while ago I spoke to the people at the Jabaru factory in Bunderburg
> Australia all the Jab's have fiberglass tanks and a lot of people run them
> on unleaded,anyway they use a sloshing compound in the tank that won't
> react with ethenol.
> If you like I can call and get the name if you like
> Carson
>
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> Read this topic online here:
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> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=334188#334188
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I ONLY KNOWOF 2 PLACES IN WILMINGTON NC THAT HAS GAS ADVERTISED WITH NO
ETHENOL.
MAYBE OTHER PLACES IN NC ARE DIFFERENT.
TED STONE
BUILDING CORVAIR POWERED PIETENPOL
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Bob:
I went to LL Johnsons in South Bend and bought 4x8 sheets of Okoume
plywood. This is manufactured to the European BS 1088 spec. which is ok for
aircraft use.
Here is their website link... http://www.theworkbench.com/index.php
Painting my head studs on my corvair today.
Rick Schreiber
Valparaiso, IN
> [Original Message]
> From: Bob & Michelle Jauch <rmjauch@gmail.com>
> To: <pietenpol-list@matronics.com>
> Date: 3/17/2011 10:37:44 AM
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: plywood
>
<rmjauch@gmail.com>
>
> Hey All,
> I just finished the tail and getting ready to start the
fuselage. Is marine AA-fir plywood acceptable for the fuselage sides and
bottom? It"s available here in town so I would save on shipping.
> Thanks,
>
> Bob Jauch
> Fort Wayne,IN
>
>
> -----
> No virus found in this message.
> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com
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| Subject: | Re: Fiberglass fuel tanks and ethenol |
The Dow Chemical's Derakane 411-350 is a Vinyl ester resin and should be ideal
for this application. The Vinyl ester family of products developed by Dow were
formulated specifically for the chemical industry for manufacturing piping and
storage tanks ( Auto gas). The benefit of the resin is that once cured it is
chemically very inert and does act as a sealant for a wide variety of fluids.
The chemical is available in the USA, in small quantities, it's pre-promoted and
its cheap. Its well proven, use in Service stations underground gas tanks are
made of this resin and auto gas is more corrosive that Avgas.
The issue comes with using cheap resins.
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| Subject: | One more near disaster averted |
An no one cared whether his fuel had alcohol in it or not. This is not
Pietenpol related so - - - do not archive.
Subject: Flying into Japan's Earthquake.... from a DAL Captain to a
Retired UAL pilot...
I'm currently still in one piece, writing from my room in the Tokyo/Narita
crew hotel.
It's 8am. This is my inaugural trans-pacific trip as a brand new, recently
checked out, international 767 Captain and it has been interesting, to say
the
least, so far. I've crossed the Atlantic three times so far so the ocean
crossing procedures were familiar.
By the way, stunning scenery flying over the Aleutian Islands. Everything
was
going fine until 100 miles out from Tokyo and in the descent for arrival.
The
first indication of any trouble was that Japan air traffic control started
putting everyone into holding patterns. At first we thought it was usual
congestion on arrival. Then we got a company data link message advising
about
the earthquake, followed by another stating Narita airport was temporarily
closed for inspection and expected to open shortly (the company is always
so
positive).
>From our perspective things were obviously looking a little different. The
Japanese controller's anxiety level seemed quite high and he said expect
"indefinite" holding time. No one would commit to a time frame on that so
I got
my copilot and relief pilot busy looking at divert stations and our fuel
situation, which, after an ocean crossing is typically low.
It wasn't long, maybe ten minutes, before the first pilots started
requesting
diversions to other airports. Air Canada, American, United, etc. all
reporting
minimal fuel situations. I still had enough fuel for 1.5 to 2.0 hours of
holding. Needless to say, the diverts started complicating the situation.
Japan air traffic control then announced Narita was closed indefinitely
due to
damage. Planes immediately started requesting arrivals into Haneada, near
Tokyo,
a half dozen JAL and western planes got clearance in that direction but
then ATC
announced Haenada had just closed. Uh oh! Now instead of just holding, we
all
had to start looking at more distant alternatives like Osaka, or Nagoya.
One bad thing about a large airliner is that you can't just be-pop into
any
little airport. We generally need lots of runway. With more planes piling
in
from both east and west, all needing a place to land and several now fuel
critical ATC was getting over-whelmed. In the scramble, and without
waiting for
my fuel to get critical, I got my flight a clearance to head for Nagoya,
fuel
situation still okay. So far so good. A few minutes into heading that way,
I was
"ordered" by ATC to reverse course. Nagoya was saturated with traffic and
unable
to handle more planes (read- airport full). Ditto for Osaka.
With that statement, my situation went instantly from fuel okay, to fuel
minimal
considering we might have to divert a much farther distance. Multiply my
situation by a dozen other aircraft all in the same boat, all making
demands
requests and threats to ATC for clearances somewhere. Air Canada and then
someone else went to "emergency" fuel situation. Planes started to heading
for
air force bases. The nearest to Tokyo was Yokoda AFB. I threw my hat in
the ring
for that initially. The answer - Yokoda closed! no more space.
By now it was a three ring circus in the cockpit, my copilot on the
radios, me
flying and making decisions and the relief copilot buried in the air
charts
trying to figure out where to go that was within range while data link
messages
were flying back and forth between us and company dispatch in Atlanta. I
picked
Misawa AFB at the north end of Honshu island. We could get there with
minimal
fuel remaining. ATC was happy to get rid of us so we cleared out of the
maelstrom of the Tokyo region. We heard ATC try to send planes toward
Sendai, a
small regional airport on the coast which was later the one I think that
got
flooded by a tsunami.
Atlanta dispatch then sent us a message asking if we could continue to
Chitose
airport on the Island of Hokkaido, north of Honshu. Other Delta planes
were
heading that way. More scrambling in the cockpit - check weather, check
charts,
check fuel, okay. We could still make it and not be going into a fuel
critical
situation ... if we had no other fuel delays. As we approached Misawa we
got
clearance to continue to Chitose. Critical decision thought process. Let's
see -
trying to help company - plane overflies perfectly good divert airport for
one
farther away...wonder how that will look in the safety report, if anything
goes
wrong.
Suddenly ATC comes up and gives us a vector to a fix well short of Chitose
and
tells us to standby for holding instructions. Nightmare realized.
Situation
rapidly deteriorating. After initially holding near Tokyo, starting a
divert to
Nagoya, reversing course back to Tokyo then to re-diverting north toward
Misawa,
all that happy fuel reserve that I had was vaporizing fast. My subsequent
conversation, paraphrased of course...., went something like this:
"Sapparo Control - Delta XX requesting immediate clearance direct to
Chitose,
minimum fuel, unable hold."
"Negative Ghost-Rider, the Pattern is full" <<< top gun quote <<<
"Sapparo Control - make that - Delta XX declaring emergency, low fuel,
proceeding direct Chitose"
"Roger Delta XX, understood, you are cleared direct to Chitose, contact
Chitose
approach....etc...."
Enough was enough, I had decided to preempt actually running critically
low on
fuel while in another indefinite holding pattern, especially after
bypassing
Misawa, and played my last ace...declaring an emergency. The problem with
that
is now I have a bit of company paperwork to do but what the heck.
As it was - landed Chitose, safe, with at least 30 minutes of fuel
remaining
before reaching a "true" fuel emergency situation. That's always a good
feeling,
being safe. They taxied us off to some remote parking area where we shut
down
and watched a half dozen or more other airplanes come streaming in. In the
end,
Delta had two 747s, my 767 and another 767 and a 777 all on the ramp at
Chitose.
We saw to American airlines planes, a United and two Air Canada as well.
Not to
mention several extra Al Nippon and Japan Air Lines planes.
Post-script - 9 hours later, Japan air lines finally got around to getting
a
boarding ladder to the plane where we were able to get off and clear
customs. -
that however, is another interesting story.
By the way - while writing this - I have felt four additional tremors that
shook
the hotel slightly - all in 45 minutes.
Cheers,
XXXXXXXX
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| Subject: | Re: ETHENOL IN NC |
Don't they have to indicate on the pump if ethenol is being used? I
haven't seen any signs in Winston-Salem yet.
----- Original Message -----
From: TGSTONE236@aol.com
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, March 17, 2011 1:23 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: ETHENOL IN NC
I ONLY KNOWOF 2 PLACES IN WILMINGTON NC THAT HAS GAS ADVERTISED WITH
NO ETHENOL.
MAYBE OTHER PLACES IN NC ARE DIFFERENT.
TED STONE
BUILDING CORVAIR POWERED PIETENPOL
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| Subject: | Re: I announced a while ago....., Dan Helsper's prop-carving |
CD still avilable also
What would you charge me to carve me a prop for a Corvair?
----- Original Message -----
From: helspersew@aol.com
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, March 16, 2011 8:15 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: I announced a while ago....., Dan
Helsper's prop-carving CD still avilable also
And while this thread has some lift left to it, I'll unashamedly
pile-on to to do some self-promotion for myself, so I can selfishly
profit from the momentum. My instructional prop-carving CD is still
available from Aircraft Spruce
http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/bvpages/propellercarving.php. This
must be a good, professional product, otherwise ACS would not be selling
it, right?
Dan Helsper
Puryear, TN.
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| Subject: | Re: I announced a while ago....., Dan Helsper's prop-carving |
CD still avilable also
What? No fellow pieter discount?
--- On Wed, 3/16/11, helspersew@aol.com <helspersew@aol.com> wrote:
> From: helspersew@aol.com <helspersew@aol.com>
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: I announced a while ago....., Dan Helsper's
prop-carving CD still avilable also
> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> Date: Wednesday, March 16, 2011, 7:15 PM
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| Subject: | Fiberglass Fuel Tanks |
Pretty easy to make.
1) carve a styrofoam block to the exact size you want, test fit the block in
the airplane, allow 1/4" undersize for the block cause youre gonna cover the
block with tape and fiberglass. You can use multiple plies of 2" foam and
heat glue gun to get the thickness you need.
2) cover the block with box seal tape (brown stuff or clear), Then car wax
with carnuba wax the box sealing tape. Excess wax is not good, wax it like
youre doing your car. Buff it out.
3) using a satin weave fiberglass (tight weave) cover the box sealing tape
with min. 3 plies of glass and epoxy. ( I used Saf-t-poxy, this epoxy has a
30 yr track record of fuel tanks in canard-pusher Rutan type airplanes).
Don't use an open weave fiberglass it sucks up too much resin and makes the
part heavier.
4) laminate in place a 1/4" thick AL block where the drain and vent are to
go.
5) laminate in a fuel fill ring where the fill is to go, get the matching
fuel cap at the same time.
6) laminate the AL blocks in place using at least 3 more plies of fiberglass
where the fill and drains are to go.
7) Use adequate resin, the fiberglass should be completed wetted, (no white
spots where the fiberglass did not wet),
8) let cure in the sunshine for at least 21 days or in a makeshift "oven"
under a work bench until the resin has cured at least 3 days at 150F. To
help heat up the tank, cover with black plastic if using sunshine.
9) make darn sure you get the mix ratio on the resin right, use a postal
scale. This will keep alcohol from leaching the unreacted hardener or resin
if you get the ratio wrong.
10) after cure, cut the tank in half, using. a dremel to cut the fiberglass
and a hacksaw to cut the foam block.
11) pull the foam block out and clean the inside with acetone or MEK from
the paint dept at Home Depot.
12) put the two empty halves back together after you have sanded a strip 2"
wide around where you are gonna fiberglass the tank back together. 80 grit
roughness.
13) using 2" wide strips of fiberglass epoxy the two halves back together,
use min. 3 plies over the seam.
14) now drill and tap for the drain and vent fittings 1/4" threaded.
15) cut the glass for the fill cap.
16) Check for leaks using water after you've drilled and tapped, it's easier
to fix leaks now.
17) if leaking, completely dry the tank, pull a very slight vacuum with a
vacuum sweeper (very very slight or you'll collapes the tank), then repaint
the outside of the tank with epoxy.
The vacuum will suck the resin into the leaks. Let the epoxy completely
cure before testing again.
Regarding epoxy and alcohol. Vinyl ester (Dow Derakane) has the best
chemical resistance of any laminating resin but will shrink about 7%, and
the shelf life is only about 4 weeks. Safetpoxy has a good record with all
chemicals but your biggest problem will not be with the epoxy being eaten by
the alcohol or fuel. Alcohol in fuel will eat the gaskets out of your
gasolator and it will destroy the gaskets in carbs. So use only AVgas if
you can, or 1/2 AVgas and 1/2 Mogas.
All done.
Good luckill sc
Gordon Bowen
N-1033 B
Quasi-Piete
700 hrs and counting
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| Subject: | Re: ETHENOL IN NC |
Don't they have to indicate on the pump if ethenol is being used? I
haven't seen any signs in Winston-Salem yet.
----- Original Message -----
From: TGSTONE236@aol.com
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, March 17, 2011 1:23 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: ETHENOL IN NC
I ONLY KNOWOF 2 PLACES IN WILMINGTON NC THAT HAS GAS ADVERTISED WITH
NO ETHENOL.
MAYBE OTHER PLACES IN NC ARE DIFFERENT.
TED STONE
BUILDING CORVAIR POWERED PIETENPOL
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| Subject: | Re: Stromberg Carb |
Curt,
Check this out (thanks to Terry Bowden for posting this stuff):
http://www.mykitplane.com/Planes/PeoplesFiles/Stromberg%20NAS3A1,%20C-series%20Cont.pdf
It's an excerpt from a service manual for Continental C-75 and C-85 engines, relating
to the NA-S3A1, but there is a parts list at the back which also lists
the parts for the NA-S3B. It looks like MOST of the parts are common, but there
are a few differences. It looks like the NA-S3B does not have a mixture control,
just a cover plate (index number 55).
I also believe (I may well be wrong - so if anyone knows better, please chime in)
that the NA-S3B is intended for use with the A-65 engine. If that's the case,
the venturi is likely only 1 1/4", rather than the 1 3/8" required for the
C-85.
As to whether the NA-S3B can be used, or modified for use with a C-85, I'll leave
that for others more intelligent than I.
Bill C.
PS
Chuck, were you replying to a different thread???
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| Subject: | Re: ETHENOL IN NC |
Here's a handy website that lists gas stations that DO NOT have ethanol mixed with
their gas.
http://pure-gas.org/
The lists are updated by the users. If you know of a station that offers ethanol-free
gas, you can add it to the list. Conversely, if you know of a station that
no longer offers ethanol-free gas, you can take them off the list. Just click
on the state or province you want to know about, and get a list of stations
that serve ethanol-free gas.
I just checked for NC, since that state was specifically mentioned, and Wilmington
has 4 stations listed, and Winston-Salem only has 2.
NC is one of the many states that DO NOT require the pumps to be labeled if ethanol
is added to the gas, according to this website:
http://www.fuel-testers.com/state_guide_ethanol_laws.html
Bill C.
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As far as I know, nearly all gas in NC is 10% ethanol. It is very difficult
to find gas that does not contain ethanol.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP "Icarus Plummet"
Raleigh, NC
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Charles
Campbell
Sent: Thursday, March 17, 2011 2:41 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: ETHENOL IN NC
Don't they have to indicate on the pump if ethenol is being used? I haven't
seen any signs in Winston-Salem yet.
----- Original Message -----
From: TGSTONE236@aol.com
Sent: Thursday, March 17, 2011 1:23 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: ETHENOL IN NC
I ONLY KNOWOF 2 PLACES IN WILMINGTON NC THAT HAS GAS ADVERTISED WITH NO
ETHENOL.
MAYBE OTHER PLACES IN NC ARE DIFFERENT.
TED STONE
BUILDING CORVAIR POWERED PIETENPOL
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| Subject: | Re: Fiberglass fuel tanks and ethenol |
Hey, maybe this scientific breakthrough will eliminate the problems associated
with ethanol in gasoline.
http://www.canadianmanufacturing.com/design-engineering/news/biofuel-breakthrough-25876?utm_source=DE-eNewsletter&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=DesignEng-03172011
Bill C.
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| Subject: | Jack's Moratorium is Almost Up |
Release the Kracken!
http://www.lileks.com/institute/gallery/homecuring/7.html
really do not archive
John Hofmann
Vice-President, Information Technology
The Rees Group, Inc.
2424 American Lane
Madison, WI 53704
Phone: 608.443.2468 ext 150
Fax: 608.443.2474
Email: jhofmann@reesgroupinc.com
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| Subject: | FW: [Flitzer-Builders] here you go Ivan |
Hey guys! Look what I saw on the Flitzer List! Anyone recognize that guy
in the upper left? Also, on the right is Patrick Hoyt, 601 builder, and,
most notably, powered with a Corvair! I heard his EAA chapter was
building a Piet.
Gary Boothe
From: Flitzer-Builders@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:Flitzer-Builders@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Ronny Gosselin
Sent: Wednesday, March 16, 2011 7:39 AM
Subject: Re: [Flitzer-Builders] here you go Ivan
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Nice project! Thanks for sharing.
This caught my eye...For T-88 glue it could be a good clamp for
some uses? what do you guys think? ( they look like just cut plastic
tubes? are they?)
Thanks all for the anwsers, very exciting!
Ron from Montreal
----- Original Message -----
From: Christian Bobka <mailto:sbobka@charter.net>
Sent: Wednesday, March 16, 2011 12:32 AM
Subject: [Flitzer-Builders] here you go Ivan
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https://www.yousendit.com/dl?phi_action=app/orchestrateDownload
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From: morrisoff@aol.com
Sent: Tuesday, March 15, 2011 11:06 PM
Subject: Re: [Flitzer-Builders] Emailing: fin in jig.JPG
Then let's have the photos of what you have actually done.
We're looking for real experience guidance, not theory.
Morrisov
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Subject: Re: [Flitzer-Builders] Emailing: fin in jig.JPG
I build square tails exclusively.
Cheers,
Chris
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Chris - Very useful. Can we see pics of the round tail you built? And
how you did it?
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You're sick.
Gary
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Release the Kracken!
http://www.lileks.com/institute/gallery/homecuring/7.html
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Actually, when John Hofmann, Mike Cuy, Bill Church, Ryan Mueller, Gene Rambo
and Rob Busch paid me a visit a couple of weeks ago (Brodhead South), we had
much of this stuff. We started with venison chili, made from deer that I
shot and butchered myself. Then for breakfast one morning we had "Yankee
Pleaser Casserole", made from farm fresh eggs (not store bought) and fresh
homemade country sausage, along with grits and cornbread.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP "Icarus Plummet"
Raleigh, NC
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You're sick.
Gary
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Release the Kracken!
http://www.lileks.com/institute/gallery/homecuring/7.html
really do not archive
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I REALLY do not recall any meat fisting.
I would remember that.
BC
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Whose tiny little butt is gonna fit in that thing? That fuselage looks
like it is maybe 18=9D wide.
As for the 601, it is probably appropriate to power one of those with a
Corvair. No reason the engine should last any longer than the
ailerons
Jack Phillips
NX899JP =9CIcarus Plummet=9D
Raleigh, NC
Do Not Archive
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Sent: Thursday, March 17, 2011 6:39 PM
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Hey guys! Look what I saw on the Flitzer List! Anyone recognize that guy
in the upper left? Also, on the right is Patrick Hoyt, 601 builder, and,
most notably, powered with a Corvair! I heard his EAA chapter was
building a Piet.
Gary Boothe
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Sent: Wednesday, March 16, 2011 7:39 AM
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Nice project! Thanks for sharing.
This caught my eye...For T-88 glue it could be a good clamp for
some uses? what do you guys think? ( they look like just cut plastic
tubes? are they?)
Thanks all for the anwsers, very exciting!
Ron from Montreal
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Sent: Wednesday, March 16, 2011 12:32 AM
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Sent: Tuesday, March 15, 2011 11:06 PM
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Then let's have the photos of what you have actually done.
We're looking for real experience guidance, not theory.
Morrisov
-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Wed, Mar 16, 2011 12:02 am
Subject: Re: [Flitzer-Builders] Emailing: fin in jig.JPG
I build square tails exclusively.
Cheers,
Chris
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Sent: Tuesday, March 15, 2011 10:57 PM
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Chris - Very useful. Can we see pics of the round tail you built? And
how you did it?
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Connecticut Flitzer Werke
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Actually, I like those aileron set ups on the
601.that=99s how I=99m doin=99 my Piet. :-0
Gary
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[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jack
Phillips
Sent: Thursday, March 17, 2011 4:28 PM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: FW: [Flitzer-Builders] here you go Ivan
Whose tiny little butt is gonna fit in that thing? That fuselage looks
like it is maybe 18=9D wide.
As for the 601, it is probably appropriate to power one of those with a
Corvair. No reason the engine should last any longer than the
ailerons
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NX899JP =9CIcarus Plummet=9D
Raleigh, NC
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Subject: Pietenpol-List: FW: [Flitzer-Builders] here you go Ivan
Hey guys! Look what I saw on the Flitzer List! Anyone recognize that guy
in the upper left? Also, on the right is Patrick Hoyt, 601 builder, and,
most notably, powered with a Corvair! I heard his EAA chapter was
building a Piet.
Gary Boothe
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Sent: Wednesday, March 16, 2011 7:39 AM
Subject: Re: [Flitzer-Builders] here you go Ivan
=EF=BB
Nice project! Thanks for sharing.
This caught my eye...For T-88 glue it could be a good clamp for
some uses? what do you guys think? ( they look like just cut plastic
tubes? are they?)
Thanks all for the anwsers, very exciting!
Ron from Montreal
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Sent: Wednesday, March 16, 2011 12:32 AM
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Then let's have the photos of what you have actually done.
We're looking for real experience guidance, not theory.
Morrisov
-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Wed, Mar 16, 2011 12:02 am
Subject: Re: [Flitzer-Builders] Emailing: fin in jig.JPG
I build square tails exclusively.
Cheers,
Chris
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Sent: Tuesday, March 15, 2011 10:57 PM
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Chris - Very useful. Can we see pics of the round tail you built? And
how you did it?
Prost! Baron Ivan Morrisov
Connecticut Flitzer Werke
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Careful Jack - Less than 24 hours to go...
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Actually, since you're in Australia now Ken, the time is up for you, since
this is already March 18 there. So if I send disparaging remarks about
Corvairs to you, and copy the rest of the Pietenpol list, that should be ok,
right?
Jack Phillips
NX899JP "Icarus Plummet"
Raleigh, NC
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| Subject: | What a Day to Fly!! |
Today I did the annual spring Plane swap - flew the RV-4 from Raleigh to
Smith Mountain Lake (94 nm in 36 minutes = 156 knots or 180 mph), and
then
brought the Pietenpol back (94 nm in 1 hour 46 minutes = 53.2 knots or
61
mph) to begin the spring Fly-in season this weekend. I had 79 =B0 F,
perfectly clear skies and 50 miles visibility, with surface winds light
and
variable. Even made 2 nice 3-point landings (one in each airplane). It
just doesn't get any better than this!
Saturday I'll fly the Pietenpol into our monthly EAA Chapter meeting,
then
fly it down to Carthage, NC, for lunch at the Pik 'n' Pig and the
dedication
of a plaque to James McConnell, an early aviator from Carthage who
fought
(and died) in the Lafayette Escadrille in The Great War. I'll keep the
Pietenpol here during most of April and attend a few fly-ins, then get
it
back to Smith Mountain Lake in time for our fly-in there on April 30.
In
May I'm supposed to have it on static dsiplay for the Lynchburg Airshow
which will be a pretty major airshow, complete with the Blue Angels
(http://www.lynchburgairshow.com/) . I don't know what June will bring,
but
then the major event of the year will be flying to Brodhead for the
Pietenpol Reunion, along with that other Wisconsin Fly-in the following
week.
Life is good!
Jack Phillips
NX899JP "Icarus Plummet"
Raleigh, NC
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I guess I stand corrected. The last time we had this problem, in the
70's I think, if a pump had ethenol there had to be a notice to that
effect printed on the pump. I guess they must have changed that. I
have noticed a slight decrease in fuel milage on my auto but just
thought it was because of my driving.
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From: Jack Phillips
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, March 17, 2011 5:57 PM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: ETHENOL IN NC
As far as I know, nearly all gas in NC is 10% ethanol. It is very
difficult to find gas that does not contain ethanol.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP "Icarus Plummet"
Raleigh, NC
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[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Charles
Campbell
Sent: Thursday, March 17, 2011 2:41 PM
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: ETHENOL IN NC
Don't they have to indicate on the pump if ethenol is being used? I
haven't seen any signs in Winston-Salem yet.
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From: TGSTONE236@aol.com
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, March 17, 2011 1:23 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: ETHENOL IN NC
I ONLY KNOWOF 2 PLACES IN WILMINGTON NC THAT HAS GAS ADVERTISED WITH
NO ETHENOL.
MAYBE OTHER PLACES IN NC ARE DIFFERENT.
TED STONE
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| Subject: | What a Day to Fly!! |
Jack,
Great pic!
Speaking of the Lafayette Escadrille, I have been reading Rickenbacker's
account of his flying adventures there. I was surprised to learn that
they
often flew to 15, 16, 17, even 18,000 ft! Temps were often down to -50!!
What a MAN!
If you need something to do in June, please join us for the West Coast
Pietenpol gathering at Frazier Lake, Ca., on June 4,5. You'd have just
enough time to make it to Brodhead.
Gary
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[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jack
Phillips
Sent: Thursday, March 17, 2011 5:16 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: What a Day to Fly!!
Today I did the annual spring Plane swap - flew the RV-4 from Raleigh to
Smith Mountain Lake (94 nm in 36 minutes = 156 knots or 180 mph), and
then
brought the Pietenpol back (94 nm in 1 hour 46 minutes = 53.2 knots or
61
mph) to begin the spring Fly-in season this weekend. I had 79 =B0 F,
perfectly clear skies and 50 miles visibility, with surface winds light
and
variable. Even made 2 nice 3-point landings (one in each airplane). It
just doesn't get any better than this!
Saturday I'll fly the Pietenpol into our monthly EAA Chapter meeting,
then
fly it down to Carthage, NC, for lunch at the Pik 'n' Pig and the
dedication
of a plaque to James McConnell, an early aviator from Carthage who
fought
(and died) in the Lafayette Escadrille in The Great War. I'll keep the
Pietenpol here during most of April and attend a few fly-ins, then get
it
back to Smith Mountain Lake in time for our fly-in there on April 30.
In
May I'm supposed to have it on static dsiplay for the Lynchburg Airshow
which will be a pretty major airshow, complete with the Blue Angels
(http://www.lynchburgairshow.com/) . I don't know what June will bring,
but
then the major event of the year will be flying to Brodhead for the
Pietenpol Reunion, along with that other Wisconsin Fly-in the following
week.
Life is good!
Jack Phillips
NX899JP "Icarus Plummet"
Raleigh, NC
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| Subject: | Re: FW: [Flitzer-Builders] here you go Ivan |
Jack, it's an optical illusion. This Piet has a slighly enlarged
fuselage due to the co-owners all being taller than average.
Greg C.
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From: Jack Phillips
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, March 17, 2011 6:28 PM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: FW: [Flitzer-Builders] here you go Ivan
Whose tiny little butt is gonna fit in that thing? That fuselage
looks like it is maybe 18=9D wide.
As for the 601, it is probably appropriate to power one of those with
a Corvair. No reason the engine should last any longer than the
ailerons
Jack Phillips
NX899JP =9CIcarus Plummet=9D
Raleigh, NC
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[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gboothe5
Sent: Thursday, March 17, 2011 6:39 PM
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Subject: Pietenpol-List: FW: [Flitzer-Builders] here you go Ivan
Hey guys! Look what I saw on the Flitzer List! Anyone recognize that
guy in the upper left? Also, on the right is Patrick Hoyt, 601 builder,
and, most notably, powered with a Corvair! I heard his EAA chapter was
building a Piet.
Gary Boothe
From: Flitzer-Builders@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:Flitzer-Builders@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Ronny Gosselin
Sent: Wednesday, March 16, 2011 7:39 AM
To: Flitzer-Builders@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Flitzer-Builders] here you go Ivan
=EF=BB
Nice project! Thanks for sharing.
This caught my eye...For T-88 glue it could be a good clamp for
some uses? what do you guys think? ( they look like just cut plastic
tubes? are they?)
Thanks all for the anwsers, very exciting!
Ron from Montreal
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From: Christian Bobka
To: Flitzer-Builders@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, March 16, 2011 12:32 AM
Subject: [Flitzer-Builders] here you go Ivan
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https://www.yousendit.com/dl?phi_action=app/orchestrateDownload&rurl=
https%253A%252F%252Fwww.yousendit.com%252Ftransfer.php%253Faction%253Dbat
ch_download%2526send_id%253D1069559243%2526email%253D73412439e9254c06448c
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From: morrisoff@aol.com
To: Flitzer-Builders@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, March 15, 2011 11:06 PM
Subject: Re: [Flitzer-Builders] Emailing: fin in jig.JPG
Then let's have the photos of what you have actually done.
We're looking for real experience guidance, not theory.
Morrisov
-----Original Message-----
From: Christian Bobka <sbobka@charter.net>
To: Flitzer-Builders@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wed, Mar 16, 2011 12:02 am
Subject: Re: [Flitzer-Builders] Emailing: fin in jig.JPG
I build square tails exclusively.
Cheers,
Chris
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From: morrisoff@aol.com
To: Flitzer-Builders@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, March 15, 2011 10:57 PM
Subject: Re: [Flitzer-Builders] Emailing: fin in jig.JPG
Chris - Very useful. Can we see pics of the round tail you
built? And how you did it?
Prost! Baron Ivan Morrisov
Connecticut Flitzer Werke
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| Subject: | Re: [Flitzer-Builders] here you go Ivan |
Aw Jack, you didn't say 30 calendar days, you said thirty days... And if you really
want to get picky about it we should consider daylight savings time and
that extra hour...
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| Subject: | Re: Jack's Moratorium is Almost Up |
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Mark Chouinard
Wings, Center Section and Empannage framed up - Working on Fuselage
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Don't encourage him!!
And please do not archive!!
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On Mar 17, 2011, at 11:29 PM, "Ken_P" <ken.potts1@gmail.com> wrote:
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Today I pulled two cylinders off to get a good look inside of my 1947 engine.
It was removed from a PA-11 back in 1983, pickled and stored. It has only
1300TT and 300SMOH. My IA friend was very excited by what he saw
inside. No apparent corrosion & everything was very tight. We checked a
few tolerances and they were within new specs. I put it back together with a
sound mind about my acquisition. The only question he had for me was if
I wanted to put it back together and see if it would run. I thought we should
wait till we look at everything on it.
Curt Merdan
Flower Mound, TX
Long Fuse, C85
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| Subject: | Re: I announced a while ago....., Dan Helsper's prop-carving |
CD
I got my prop carving CD directly from Dan at Brodhead 2009, and I can attest to
the quality of the information presented in it. I haven't carved a prop yet
based on the information, but he makes it look easy enough that anyone who can
build the rest of the airframe should be able to carve a good usable prop.
It is presented in a friendly manner of "this is how I did it", and not "this
is how it HAS TO BE DONE." If you are interested in carving your own prop, this
CD is a worthwhile source of information.
p.s. I'm not a paid spokesman for this product and this statement is purely my
own opinion. Your mileage may vary.
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Billy McCaskill
Urbana, IL
tail section almost done, starting on ribs soon
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