---------------------------------------------------------- Pietenpol-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Thu 03/17/11: 50 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 04:02 AM - Re: Fiberglass fuel tanks and ethenol (Jerry Dotson) 2. 04:48 AM - Re: Stromberg Carb (Charles Campbell) 3. 05:08 AM - Re: Re: Fiberglass fuel tanks and ethenol (Charles Campbell) 4. 05:12 AM - Re: Fiberglass fuel tanks and ethenol (Charles Campbell) 5. 05:26 AM - Re: and Kevin Bicker's passed his Private Exam in........ (AircamperN11MS) 6. 05:42 AM - Re: Fiberglass fuel tanks and ethenol (AircamperN11MS) 7. 05:57 AM - Re: Re: Fiberglass fuel tanks and ethenol (Jack Phillips) 8. 06:02 AM - Re: I announced a while ago.....my DVD is again available (TOM STINEMETZE) 9. 06:05 AM - Re: Re: Fiberglass fuel tanks and ethenol (Gboothe5) 10. 06:24 AM - Re: Fiberglass fuel tanks and ethenol (AircamperN11MS) 11. 06:35 AM - Re: Re: Fiberglass fuel tanks and ethenol (airlion) 12. 06:42 AM - Re: Re: Fiberglass fuel tanks and ethenol (gboothe5@comcast.net) 13. 06:53 AM - Re: Fiberglass fuel tanks and ethenol (AircamperN11MS) 14. 07:03 AM - Re: Fiberglass fuel tanks and ethenol (carson) 15. 08:23 AM - Re: Re: Fiberglass fuel tanks and ethenol (Ken Bickers) 16. 08:36 AM - plywood (Bob & Michelle Jauch) 17. 08:36 AM - Re: Fiberglass fuel tanks and ethenol (Doug Dever) 18. 09:03 AM - Re: plywood (kevinpurtee) 19. 09:05 AM - Re: Re: Fiberglass fuel tanks and ethenol (Charles Campbell) 20. 10:27 AM - ETHENOL IN NC (TGSTONE236@aol.com) 21. 10:46 AM - Re: plywood (Richard Schreiber) 22. 11:17 AM - Re: Fiberglass fuel tanks and ethenol (womenfly2) 23. 11:25 AM - One more near disaster averted (TOM STINEMETZE) 24. 11:49 AM - Re: ETHENOL IN NC (Charles Campbell) 25. 11:50 AM - Re: Re: I announced a while ago....., Dan Helsper's prop-carving CD still avilable also (Charles Campbell) 26. 12:11 PM - Re: Re: I announced a while ago....., Dan Helsper's prop-carving CD still avilable also (KM Heide CPO/FAAOP) 27. 12:12 PM - Fiberglass Fuel Tanks (Gordon Bowen) 28. 12:13 PM - Re: ETHENOL IN NC (Charles Campbell) 29. 02:42 PM - Re: Stromberg Carb (Bill Church) 30. 02:59 PM - Re: ETHENOL IN NC (Bill Church) 31. 03:01 PM - Re: ETHENOL IN NC (Jack Phillips) 32. 03:07 PM - Re: Fiberglass fuel tanks and ethenol (Bill Church) 33. 03:30 PM - Jack's Moratorium is Almost Up (John Hofmann) 34. 03:47 PM - FW: [Flitzer-Builders] here you go Ivan (Gboothe5) 35. 03:47 PM - Re: Jack's Moratorium is Almost Up (Gboothe5) 36. 04:04 PM - Re: Jack's Moratorium is Almost Up (Jack Phillips) 37. 04:17 PM - Re: Jack's Moratorium is Almost Up (Bill Church) 38. 04:36 PM - Re: FW: [Flitzer-Builders] here you go Ivan (Jack Phillips) 39. 05:03 PM - Re: FW: [Flitzer-Builders] here you go Ivan (Gboothe5) 40. 05:11 PM - Re: [Flitzer-Builders] here you go Ivan (Ken_P) 41. 05:37 PM - Re: Re: [Flitzer-Builders] here you go Ivan (Jack Phillips) 42. 05:39 PM - What a Day to Fly!! (Jack Phillips) 43. 05:45 PM - Re: ETHENOL IN NC (Charles Campbell) 44. 06:30 PM - Re: What a Day to Fly!! (Gboothe5) 45. 07:47 PM - Re: FW: [Flitzer-Builders] here you go Ivan (Greg Cardinal) 46. 08:31 PM - Re: [Flitzer-Builders] here you go Ivan (Ken_P) 47. 08:37 PM - Re: Jack's Moratorium is Almost Up (K5YAC) 48. 08:57 PM - Re: Re: [Flitzer-Builders] here you go Ivan (Matthew VanDervort) 49. 08:58 PM - Re: C85-8F (Piet2112) 50. 11:14 PM - Re: I announced a while ago....., Dan Helsper's prop-carving CD (Billy McCaskill) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 04:02:23 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Fiberglass fuel tanks and ethenol From: "Jerry Dotson" Shad I faced the same dilemma and embarked on a build your own aluminum tank. It has been a long process. I welded all the seams. Warped bad, but that's what hammers and oak blocks are for. I put the Wilson glove on it last night. -------- Jerry Dotson 59 Daniel Johnson Rd Baker, FL 32531 Started building NX510JD July, 2009 wing, tailfeathers done, fuselage rolling using Lycoming O-235 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=334160#334160 ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 04:48:19 AM PST US From: "Charles Campbell" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Stromberg Carb Yeah! I'm planning to use an Aeroinjector, also. ----- Original Message ----- From: bradandlinda tds.net To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Wednesday, March 16, 2011 9:29 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Stromberg Carb Dear Curt, Try Precision Engines (425) 347-2800 ask for Bob. He's very knowledgble on carbs, and they have Stromberg parts. Cost of O.H. is $795 plus parts (float needle $139, float needle seat $157). I decided to go with a new Aeroinjector "carb" on my A65. They have 3 different sizes that cover different h.p. ranges. They are only $395. They will not ice up so no carb heat is needed. They will not flood. One or two blades to start. They offer a4"DiaX2.75 " air filter that mounts on the bottom inside the cowling (don't use ram air intake as it will make the eng run lean). No primer needed! They have no bowl or float valve to stick or leak. Aero Conversions Products (aeroconversions.com) (920) 231-8297 ask for Mark Schaible. The guys in our area that have them swear by them. (experimental acft only) Brad Williams NX29NX On Wed, Mar 16, 2011 at 2:14 PM, Piet2112 wrote: Does anyone know where to find any information on a NA-S3 (/B stamped) carburetor. The Upper Throttle Body has the NA-S3/B and the Main Body has a parts list number of 380167-3. I have found lots of information for the NA-S3A1 carb like the Overhaul Manual, Parts Manuals, but I cannot figure out what the difference is between the /B and the A1. I'm disassembling it to find out the venturi and jet sizes to make sure they are correct for the C85. Don't worry Gary, If Jack replies today, It will be Corvair friendly. Thanks Y'all, Curt Merdan Flower Mound, TX Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=334110#334110 s List Un/Subscription, www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List" target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List ronics.com/" target="_blank">http://forums.matronics.com Matt Dralle, List Admin. ==== ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 05:08:16 AM PST US From: "Charles Campbell" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Fiberglass fuel tanks and ethenol Jerry's post mentioning the O-235 made me remember to post the latest on "my" O-235. We decided yesterday that the engine is too old and probably cannot get parts for it and if the parts are available they would probably cost an arm and leg. It's a WW2 version (the engine - not my arm and leg. Although, come to think about it, my arms and legs are WW2 versions, also.) So I've decided to go a different route. Close your ears, Jack, probably a Corvair. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jerry Dotson" Sent: Thursday, March 17, 2011 6:59 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Fiberglass fuel tanks and ethenol > > > Shad I faced the same dilemma and embarked on a build your own aluminum > tank. It has been a long process. I welded all the seams. Warped bad, but > that's what hammers and oak blocks are for. I put the Wilson glove on it > last night. > > -------- > Jerry Dotson > 59 Daniel Johnson Rd > Baker, FL 32531 > > Started building NX510JD July, 2009 > wing, tailfeathers done, fuselage rolling > using Lycoming O-235 > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=334160#334160 > > > ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 05:12:06 AM PST US From: "Charles Campbell" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Fiberglass fuel tanks and ethenol Shad, keep us posted on what you find out about the fiberglass/ethenol thing. I would be interested in finding out the answer to your question. Chuck ----- Original Message ----- From: shad bell To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Wednesday, March 16, 2011 11:49 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Fiberglass fuel tanks and ethenol Hello Group, need some input. Does anyone have experiance(success) with fiberglass fuel tanks and the newer auto fuels containing some ethenol? I am getting to the stage of fuel tank construction on my bipe, and fiberglass would be eaiser for the shape of my tank. I have a mold made, and am using a Lycoming (yes all you corvair haters a Lycoming). I am thinking ahead a little and a little concerned for the future of 100LL and would like it if I did not have to build another tank due to fuel availability. I would also like to use blended 100LL and auto gas to keep the flying more afordable. Dad used vinyl- ester resin, but cant find the "cupon sample" to soak in todays corn laced gasoline. Shad ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 05:26:13 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: and Kevin Bicker's passed his Private Exam in........ From: "AircamperN11MS" The weather should be good as long as you don't leave me in charge of it. -------- Scott Liefeld Flying N11MS since March 1972 Steel Tube C-85-12 Wire Wheels Brodhead in 1996 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=334167#334167 ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 05:42:00 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Fiberglass fuel tanks and ethenol From: "AircamperN11MS" Shad, Don't use fiberglass if you are planning on any auto gas. It will not be good. Dad has a glass tank in his KR-2 and while using auto gas the tank melted. Of coarse there were fumes in the cockpit first then came the leaks. It happened to him twice. Mike Madrid also had it happen in his GN-1. He finally took the J-3 tank out of his Flybaby and put it in the Piet. A metal tank is the only way to go if you are considering anything other then aircraft fuel. Remember that what ever replaces 100LL will need to be compatible with composite airframes. There are too many production aircraft to do anything else. My nose tank is out of an Opal Kadet car and my center section tank is a Cessna 140 wing tank. That gives me 22 gallons usable. My butt is not designed for that much fuel, but it's nice to have it. -------- Scott Liefeld Flying N11MS since March 1972 Steel Tube C-85-12 Wire Wheels Brodhead in 1996 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=334168#334168 ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 05:57:00 AM PST US From: "Jack Phillips" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Fiberglass fuel tanks and ethenol I'll wait till tomorrow (when the moratorium is over) to reply Jack Phillips NX899JP "Icarus Plummet" Raleigh, NC -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Charles Campbell Sent: Thursday, March 17, 2011 8:03 AM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Fiberglass fuel tanks and ethenol Jerry's post mentioning the O-235 made me remember to post the latest on "my" O-235. We decided yesterday that the engine is too old and probably cannot get parts for it and if the parts are available they would probably cost an arm and leg. It's a WW2 version (the engine - not my arm and leg. Although, come to think about it, my arms and legs are WW2 versions, also.) So I've decided to go a different route. Close your ears, Jack, probably a Corvair. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jerry Dotson" Sent: Thursday, March 17, 2011 6:59 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Fiberglass fuel tanks and ethenol > > > Shad I faced the same dilemma and embarked on a build your own aluminum > tank. It has been a long process. I welded all the seams. Warped bad, but > that's what hammers and oak blocks are for. I put the Wilson glove on it > last night. > > -------- > Jerry Dotson > 59 Daniel Johnson Rd > Baker, FL 32531 > > Started building NX510JD July, 2009 > wing, tailfeathers done, fuselage rolling > using Lycoming O-235 > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=334160#334160 > > > ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 06:02:46 AM PST US From: "TOM STINEMETZE" Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: I announced a while ago.....my DVD is again available I know. I'm a BAADD boy. Tom >>> "Bill Church" 3/16/2011 6:09 PM >>> You never should have pirated that first copy. Karma will get you every time. ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 06:05:17 AM PST US From: "Gboothe5" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Fiberglass fuel tanks and ethenol GO CORVAIR! GO CORVAIR! GO CORVAIR! GO CORVAIR! GO CORVAIR! GO CORVAIR! GO CORVAIR! GO CORVAIR! GO CORVAIR! GO CORVAIR! GO CORVAIR! GO CORVAIR! GO CORVAIR! GO CORVAIR! GO CORVAIR! GO CORVAIR! GO CORVAIR! GO CORVAIR! GO CORVAIR! GO CORVAIR! GO CORVAIR! GO CORVAIR! GO CORVAIR! GO CORVAIR! GO CORVAIR! GO CORVAIR! GO CORVAIR! GO CORVAIR! GO CORVAIR! GO CORVAIR! GO CORVAIR! GO CORVAIR!.... Gary -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jack Phillips Sent: Thursday, March 17, 2011 5:55 AM Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Fiberglass fuel tanks and ethenol I'll wait till tomorrow (when the moratorium is over) to reply Jack Phillips NX899JP "Icarus Plummet" Raleigh, NC -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Charles Campbell Sent: Thursday, March 17, 2011 8:03 AM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Fiberglass fuel tanks and ethenol Jerry's post mentioning the O-235 made me remember to post the latest on "my" O-235. We decided yesterday that the engine is too old and probably cannot get parts for it and if the parts are available they would probably cost an arm and leg. It's a WW2 version (the engine - not my arm and leg. Although, come to think about it, my arms and legs are WW2 versions, also.) So I've decided to go a different route. Close your ears, Jack, probably a Corvair. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jerry Dotson" Sent: Thursday, March 17, 2011 6:59 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Fiberglass fuel tanks and ethenol > > > Shad I faced the same dilemma and embarked on a build your own aluminum > tank. It has been a long process. I welded all the seams. Warped bad, but > that's what hammers and oak blocks are for. I put the Wilson glove on it > last night. > > -------- > Jerry Dotson > 59 Daniel Johnson Rd > Baker, FL 32531 > > Started building NX510JD July, 2009 > wing, tailfeathers done, fuselage rolling > using Lycoming O-235 > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=334160#334160 > > > ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 06:24:38 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Fiberglass fuel tanks and ethenol From: "AircamperN11MS" Gary, Is that the starting proceedure for the (what did you call it?) Corvair? I had one once. It was a car. It didn't go fast enough to fly. Mostly just broke down next to the highway. Hope yours runs better. All joking aside, There used to be a yellow Piet at Corona years ago with a Corvair in it. A gentleman named Alan owned and built it. That thing would out climb my mine and sounded OK too. Alan moved to AZ when he retired and built an "A" powered Piet. Now he has a pair of them. Lucky guy. Both of them built to plans. -------- Scott Liefeld Flying N11MS since March 1972 Steel Tube C-85-12 Wire Wheels Brodhead in 1996 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=334179#334179 ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 06:35:37 AM PST US From: airlion Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Fiberglass fuel tanks and ethenol Jerry, are you going to sun n fun? I am flying down on Saturday the 26 with 2 other Piets an a gaggle of others from Carrollton and camping out with them. Our Piets will be in the homebuilt area. Gardiner ----- Original Message ---- From: Jerry Dotson Sent: Thu, March 17, 2011 6:59:55 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Fiberglass fuel tanks and ethenol Shad I faced the same dilemma and embarked on a build your own aluminum tank. It has been a long process. I welded all the seams. Warped bad, but that's what hammers and oak blocks are for. I put the Wilson glove on it last night. -------- Jerry Dotson 59 Daniel Johnson Rd Baker, FL 32531 Started building NX510JD July, 2009 wing, tailfeathers done, fuselage rolling using Lycoming O-235 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=334160#334160 ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 06:42:46 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Fiberglass fuel tanks and ethenol From: gboothe5@comcast.net Ha-ha! Don't encourage Jack! Hope mine runs better too...I'm betting my life on it! See you at Frazier Lake this year? Gary ------Original Message------ From: AircamperN11MS Sender: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com ReplyTo: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Fiberglass fuel tanks and ethenol Sent: Mar 17, 2011 6:22 AM Gary, Is that the starting proceedure for the (what did you call it?) Corvair? I had one once. It was a car. It didn't go fast enough to fly. Mostly just broke down next to the highway. Hope yours runs better. All joking aside, There used to be a yellow Piet at Corona years ago with a Corvair in it. A gentleman named Alan owned and built it. That thing would out climb my mine and sounded OK too. Alan moved to AZ when he retired and built an "A" powered Piet. Now he has a pair of them. Lucky guy. Both of them built to plans. -------- Scott Liefeld Flying N11MS since March 1972 Steel Tube C-85-12 Wire Wheels Brodhead in 1996 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=334179#334179 Sent on the Sprint Now Network from my BlackBerry ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 06:53:29 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Fiberglass fuel tanks and ethenol From: "AircamperN11MS" I'll be there as long as the weather Gods are nice to me. It's possible that I'll bring friends with me to. They'll look like bugs in my teeth. -------- Scott Liefeld Flying N11MS since March 1972 Steel Tube C-85-12 Wire Wheels Brodhead in 1996 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=334187#334187 ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 07:03:50 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Fiberglass fuel tanks and ethenol From: "carson" Shad I have been tossing up about a fiberglass tank and think that I may go that way. A while ago I spoke to the people at the Jabaru factory in Bunderburg Australia all the Jab's have fiberglass tanks and a lot of people run them on unleaded,anyway they use a sloshing compound in the tank that won't react with ethenol. If you like I can call and get the name if you like Carson Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=334188#334188 ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 08:23:26 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Fiberglass fuel tanks and ethenol From: Ken Bickers Shad, Carson, I built mine with fiberglass and epoxy resin. I'm aware that this precludes use of auto fuel purchased at service stations, since all of that has corn additives in it. Fortunately, our FBO still is able to buy Mogas prior to the addition of the additives and, I figure, 100LL or some sort of direct replacement will be available into the foreseeable future. For me, the ease of building in fiberglass was attractive. Truthfully, I don't much like aluminum. It wants to crack. It doesn't feel right and the splinters hurt. The way I did it was to buy a couple of sheets of the 1/4" (or 3/8", I can't recall at the moment) thick foam that is sold in 2' x 4' sheets from the marine building supply houses, though I think Aircraft Spruce sells it, too. I fiberglassed both sides with a two or three layers of regular bi cloth. This produced a pair of nice stiff boards that could be cut just like plywood into a bottom, sides, etc. The pieces were assembled into the tank shape with a thick putty epoxy that is used for marine repairs. Before the joints dried, I smoothed these into nice filets. Once the parts were assembed (and before the top was put on), I used a few layers of fiberglass tape, to reinforce the joints, both inside and out. Also before putting on the top is the time to drill holes and install the strainer and fuel line fittings When putting on the top, you cannot use the interior reinforcement tapes, but you can use a liberal amount of the epoxy putty and then double-up the taping on the outside. The result is a nice, stiff fuel cell. It won't look like the outside of a Lancair, but it doesn't need to. I even put in a baffle, using the same techique. It didn't take long to build and ends up basically using simple wood working skills. Cheers, Ken On Thu, Mar 17, 2011 at 8:01 AM, carson wrote: > > Shad > I have been tossing up about a fiberglass tank and think that I may go that > way. > A while ago I spoke to the people at the Jabaru factory in Bunderburg > Australia all the Jab's have fiberglass tanks and a lot of people run them on unleaded,anyway they use a sloshing compound in the tank that won't react with ethenol. > If you like I can call and get the name if you like > Carson > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=334188#334188 > > ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 08:36:17 AM PST US From: Bob & Michelle Jauch Subject: Pietenpol-List: plywood Hey All, I just finished the tail and getting ready to start the fuselage. Is marine AA-fir plywood acceptable for the fuselage sides and bottom? It"s available here in town so I would save on shipping. Thanks, Bob Jauch Fort Wayne,IN ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 08:36:46 AM PST US From: Doug Dever Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Fiberglass fuel tanks and ethenol If you use vinyl ester resin you should be ok=2C but not 100% sure on that. Do not use epoxy or poly ester resin. Doug Dever In beautiful Stow Ohio From: aviatorbell@yahoo.com Subject: Pietenpol-List: Fiberglass fuel tanks and ethenol Hello Group=2C need some input. Does anyone have experiance(success) with fiberglass fuel tanks and the newer auto fuels containing some ethenol? I am getting to the stage of fuel tank construction on my bipe=2C and fibergl ass would be eaiser for the shape of my tank. I have a mold made=2C and am using a Lycoming (yes all you corvair haters a Lycoming). I am thinking a head a little and a little concerned for the future of 100LL and would like it if I did not have to build another tank due to fuel availability. I wo uld also like to use blended 100LL and auto gas to keep the flying more afo rdable. Dad used vinyl- ester resin=2C but cant find the "cupon sample" to soak in todays corn laced gasoline. Shad ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 09:03:07 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: plywood From: "kevinpurtee" Hi Bob - I used aircraft grade mahogany. There are some well-respected aircraft that use marine ply. The Fly Baby has marine plywood all over the fuselage. FWIW Kevin -------- Kevin "Axel" Purtee NX899KP Austin/Georgetown, TX Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=334202#334202 ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 09:05:07 AM PST US From: "Charles Campbell" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Fiberglass fuel tanks and ethenol Yeah! Yeah! Yeah! That's what we need! We don't have ethenol in NC yet but we probably will have before this fuel thing is over -- if ever! ----- Original Message ----- From: "carson" Sent: Thursday, March 17, 2011 10:01 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Fiberglass fuel tanks and ethenol > > Shad > I have been tossing up about a fiberglass tank and think that I may go > that > way. > A while ago I spoke to the people at the Jabaru factory in Bunderburg > Australia all the Jab's have fiberglass tanks and a lot of people run them > on unleaded,anyway they use a sloshing compound in the tank that won't > react with ethenol. > If you like I can call and get the name if you like > Carson > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=334188#334188 > > > ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 10:27:12 AM PST US From: TGSTONE236@aol.com Subject: Pietenpol-List: ETHENOL IN NC I ONLY KNOWOF 2 PLACES IN WILMINGTON NC THAT HAS GAS ADVERTISED WITH NO ETHENOL. MAYBE OTHER PLACES IN NC ARE DIFFERENT. TED STONE BUILDING CORVAIR POWERED PIETENPOL ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 10:46:58 AM PST US From: "Richard Schreiber" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: plywood Bob: I went to LL Johnsons in South Bend and bought 4x8 sheets of Okoume plywood. This is manufactured to the European BS 1088 spec. which is ok for aircraft use. Here is their website link... http://www.theworkbench.com/index.php Painting my head studs on my corvair today. Rick Schreiber Valparaiso, IN > [Original Message] > From: Bob & Michelle Jauch > To: > Date: 3/17/2011 10:37:44 AM > Subject: Pietenpol-List: plywood > > > Hey All, > I just finished the tail and getting ready to start the fuselage. Is marine AA-fir plywood acceptable for the fuselage sides and bottom? It"s available here in town so I would save on shipping. > Thanks, > > Bob Jauch > Fort Wayne,IN > > > ----- > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 11:17:13 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Fiberglass fuel tanks and ethenol From: "womenfly2" The Dow Chemical's Derakane 411-350 is a Vinyl ester resin and should be ideal for this application. The Vinyl ester family of products developed by Dow were formulated specifically for the chemical industry for manufacturing piping and storage tanks ( Auto gas). The benefit of the resin is that once cured it is chemically very inert and does act as a sealant for a wide variety of fluids. The chemical is available in the USA, in small quantities, it's pre-promoted and its cheap. Its well proven, use in Service stations underground gas tanks are made of this resin and auto gas is more corrosive that Avgas. The issue comes with using cheap resins. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=334206#334206 ________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ Time: 11:25:36 AM PST US From: "TOM STINEMETZE" Subject: Pietenpol-List: One more near disaster averted An no one cared whether his fuel had alcohol in it or not. This is not Pietenpol related so - - - do not archive. Subject: Flying into Japan's Earthquake.... from a DAL Captain to a Retired UAL pilot... I'm currently still in one piece, writing from my room in the Tokyo/Narita crew hotel. It's 8am. This is my inaugural trans-pacific trip as a brand new, recently checked out, international 767 Captain and it has been interesting, to say the least, so far. I've crossed the Atlantic three times so far so the ocean crossing procedures were familiar. By the way, stunning scenery flying over the Aleutian Islands. Everything was going fine until 100 miles out from Tokyo and in the descent for arrival. The first indication of any trouble was that Japan air traffic control started putting everyone into holding patterns. At first we thought it was usual congestion on arrival. Then we got a company data link message advising about the earthquake, followed by another stating Narita airport was temporarily closed for inspection and expected to open shortly (the company is always so positive). >From our perspective things were obviously looking a little different. The Japanese controller's anxiety level seemed quite high and he said expect "indefinite" holding time. No one would commit to a time frame on that so I got my copilot and relief pilot busy looking at divert stations and our fuel situation, which, after an ocean crossing is typically low. It wasn't long, maybe ten minutes, before the first pilots started requesting diversions to other airports. Air Canada, American, United, etc. all reporting minimal fuel situations. I still had enough fuel for 1.5 to 2.0 hours of holding. Needless to say, the diverts started complicating the situation. Japan air traffic control then announced Narita was closed indefinitely due to damage. Planes immediately started requesting arrivals into Haneada, near Tokyo, a half dozen JAL and western planes got clearance in that direction but then ATC announced Haenada had just closed. Uh oh! Now instead of just holding, we all had to start looking at more distant alternatives like Osaka, or Nagoya. One bad thing about a large airliner is that you can't just be-pop into any little airport. We generally need lots of runway. With more planes piling in from both east and west, all needing a place to land and several now fuel critical ATC was getting over-whelmed. In the scramble, and without waiting for my fuel to get critical, I got my flight a clearance to head for Nagoya, fuel situation still okay. So far so good. A few minutes into heading that way, I was "ordered" by ATC to reverse course. Nagoya was saturated with traffic and unable to handle more planes (read- airport full). Ditto for Osaka. With that statement, my situation went instantly from fuel okay, to fuel minimal considering we might have to divert a much farther distance. Multiply my situation by a dozen other aircraft all in the same boat, all making demands requests and threats to ATC for clearances somewhere. Air Canada and then someone else went to "emergency" fuel situation. Planes started to heading for air force bases. The nearest to Tokyo was Yokoda AFB. I threw my hat in the ring for that initially. The answer - Yokoda closed! no more space. By now it was a three ring circus in the cockpit, my copilot on the radios, me flying and making decisions and the relief copilot buried in the air charts trying to figure out where to go that was within range while data link messages were flying back and forth between us and company dispatch in Atlanta. I picked Misawa AFB at the north end of Honshu island. We could get there with minimal fuel remaining. ATC was happy to get rid of us so we cleared out of the maelstrom of the Tokyo region. We heard ATC try to send planes toward Sendai, a small regional airport on the coast which was later the one I think that got flooded by a tsunami. Atlanta dispatch then sent us a message asking if we could continue to Chitose airport on the Island of Hokkaido, north of Honshu. Other Delta planes were heading that way. More scrambling in the cockpit - check weather, check charts, check fuel, okay. We could still make it and not be going into a fuel critical situation ... if we had no other fuel delays. As we approached Misawa we got clearance to continue to Chitose. Critical decision thought process. Let's see - trying to help company - plane overflies perfectly good divert airport for one farther away...wonder how that will look in the safety report, if anything goes wrong. Suddenly ATC comes up and gives us a vector to a fix well short of Chitose and tells us to standby for holding instructions. Nightmare realized. Situation rapidly deteriorating. After initially holding near Tokyo, starting a divert to Nagoya, reversing course back to Tokyo then to re-diverting north toward Misawa, all that happy fuel reserve that I had was vaporizing fast. My subsequent conversation, paraphrased of course...., went something like this: "Sapparo Control - Delta XX requesting immediate clearance direct to Chitose, minimum fuel, unable hold." "Negative Ghost-Rider, the Pattern is full" <<< top gun quote <<< "Sapparo Control - make that - Delta XX declaring emergency, low fuel, proceeding direct Chitose" "Roger Delta XX, understood, you are cleared direct to Chitose, contact Chitose approach....etc...." Enough was enough, I had decided to preempt actually running critically low on fuel while in another indefinite holding pattern, especially after bypassing Misawa, and played my last ace...declaring an emergency. The problem with that is now I have a bit of company paperwork to do but what the heck. As it was - landed Chitose, safe, with at least 30 minutes of fuel remaining before reaching a "true" fuel emergency situation. That's always a good feeling, being safe. They taxied us off to some remote parking area where we shut down and watched a half dozen or more other airplanes come streaming in. In the end, Delta had two 747s, my 767 and another 767 and a 777 all on the ramp at Chitose. We saw to American airlines planes, a United and two Air Canada as well. Not to mention several extra Al Nippon and Japan Air Lines planes. Post-script - 9 hours later, Japan air lines finally got around to getting a boarding ladder to the plane where we were able to get off and clear customs. - that however, is another interesting story. By the way - while writing this - I have felt four additional tremors that shook the hotel slightly - all in 45 minutes. Cheers, XXXXXXXX ________________________________ Message 24 ____________________________________ Time: 11:49:42 AM PST US From: "Charles Campbell" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: ETHENOL IN NC Don't they have to indicate on the pump if ethenol is being used? I haven't seen any signs in Winston-Salem yet. ----- Original Message ----- From: TGSTONE236@aol.com To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Thursday, March 17, 2011 1:23 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: ETHENOL IN NC I ONLY KNOWOF 2 PLACES IN WILMINGTON NC THAT HAS GAS ADVERTISED WITH NO ETHENOL. MAYBE OTHER PLACES IN NC ARE DIFFERENT. TED STONE BUILDING CORVAIR POWERED PIETENPOL ________________________________ Message 25 ____________________________________ Time: 11:50:15 AM PST US From: "Charles Campbell" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: I announced a while ago....., Dan Helsper's prop-carving CD still avilable also What would you charge me to carve me a prop for a Corvair? ----- Original Message ----- From: helspersew@aol.com To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Wednesday, March 16, 2011 8:15 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: I announced a while ago....., Dan Helsper's prop-carving CD still avilable also And while this thread has some lift left to it, I'll unashamedly pile-on to to do some self-promotion for myself, so I can selfishly profit from the momentum. My instructional prop-carving CD is still available from Aircraft Spruce http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/bvpages/propellercarving.php. This must be a good, professional product, otherwise ACS would not be selling it, right? Dan Helsper Puryear, TN. ________________________________ Message 26 ____________________________________ Time: 12:11:18 PM PST US From: KM Heide CPO/FAAOP Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: I announced a while ago....., Dan Helsper's prop-carving CD still avilable also What? No fellow pieter discount? --- On Wed, 3/16/11, helspersew@aol.com wrote: > From: helspersew@aol.com > Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: I announced a while ago....., Dan Helsper's prop-carving CD still avilable also > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > Date: Wednesday, March 16, 2011, 7:15 PM > > > > > > > And while this thread has some lift left to it, > I'll unashamedlypile-on to to do some > self-promotion for myself, so I can selfishly profit from > the momentum. My instructional prop-carving > CD is still availablefrom Aircraft Spruce http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/bvpages/propellercarving.php. > This must be a good, professional product, otherwise ACS > would not be selling it, right? > > > > > > > Dan > Helsper > > > Puryear, > TN. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 27 ____________________________________ Time: 12:12:37 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Fiberglass Fuel Tanks From: Gordon Bowen Pretty easy to make. 1) carve a styrofoam block to the exact size you want, test fit the block in the airplane, allow 1/4" undersize for the block cause youre gonna cover the block with tape and fiberglass. You can use multiple plies of 2" foam and heat glue gun to get the thickness you need. 2) cover the block with box seal tape (brown stuff or clear), Then car wax with carnuba wax the box sealing tape. Excess wax is not good, wax it like youre doing your car. Buff it out. 3) using a satin weave fiberglass (tight weave) cover the box sealing tape with min. 3 plies of glass and epoxy. ( I used Saf-t-poxy, this epoxy has a 30 yr track record of fuel tanks in canard-pusher Rutan type airplanes). Don't use an open weave fiberglass it sucks up too much resin and makes the part heavier. 4) laminate in place a 1/4" thick AL block where the drain and vent are to go. 5) laminate in a fuel fill ring where the fill is to go, get the matching fuel cap at the same time. 6) laminate the AL blocks in place using at least 3 more plies of fiberglass where the fill and drains are to go. 7) Use adequate resin, the fiberglass should be completed wetted, (no white spots where the fiberglass did not wet), 8) let cure in the sunshine for at least 21 days or in a makeshift "oven" under a work bench until the resin has cured at least 3 days at 150F. To help heat up the tank, cover with black plastic if using sunshine. 9) make darn sure you get the mix ratio on the resin right, use a postal scale. This will keep alcohol from leaching the unreacted hardener or resin if you get the ratio wrong. 10) after cure, cut the tank in half, using. a dremel to cut the fiberglass and a hacksaw to cut the foam block. 11) pull the foam block out and clean the inside with acetone or MEK from the paint dept at Home Depot. 12) put the two empty halves back together after you have sanded a strip 2" wide around where you are gonna fiberglass the tank back together. 80 grit roughness. 13) using 2" wide strips of fiberglass epoxy the two halves back together, use min. 3 plies over the seam. 14) now drill and tap for the drain and vent fittings 1/4" threaded. 15) cut the glass for the fill cap. 16) Check for leaks using water after you've drilled and tapped, it's easier to fix leaks now. 17) if leaking, completely dry the tank, pull a very slight vacuum with a vacuum sweeper (very very slight or you'll collapes the tank), then repaint the outside of the tank with epoxy. The vacuum will suck the resin into the leaks. Let the epoxy completely cure before testing again. Regarding epoxy and alcohol. Vinyl ester (Dow Derakane) has the best chemical resistance of any laminating resin but will shrink about 7%, and the shelf life is only about 4 weeks. Safetpoxy has a good record with all chemicals but your biggest problem will not be with the epoxy being eaten by the alcohol or fuel. Alcohol in fuel will eat the gaskets out of your gasolator and it will destroy the gaskets in carbs. So use only AVgas if you can, or 1/2 AVgas and 1/2 Mogas. All done. Good luckill sc Gordon Bowen N-1033 B Quasi-Piete 700 hrs and counting ________________________________ Message 28 ____________________________________ Time: 12:13:48 PM PST US From: "Charles Campbell" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: ETHENOL IN NC Don't they have to indicate on the pump if ethenol is being used? I haven't seen any signs in Winston-Salem yet. ----- Original Message ----- From: TGSTONE236@aol.com To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Thursday, March 17, 2011 1:23 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: ETHENOL IN NC I ONLY KNOWOF 2 PLACES IN WILMINGTON NC THAT HAS GAS ADVERTISED WITH NO ETHENOL. MAYBE OTHER PLACES IN NC ARE DIFFERENT. TED STONE BUILDING CORVAIR POWERED PIETENPOL ________________________________ Message 29 ____________________________________ Time: 02:42:26 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Stromberg Carb From: "Bill Church" Curt, Check this out (thanks to Terry Bowden for posting this stuff): http://www.mykitplane.com/Planes/PeoplesFiles/Stromberg%20NAS3A1,%20C-series%20Cont.pdf It's an excerpt from a service manual for Continental C-75 and C-85 engines, relating to the NA-S3A1, but there is a parts list at the back which also lists the parts for the NA-S3B. It looks like MOST of the parts are common, but there are a few differences. It looks like the NA-S3B does not have a mixture control, just a cover plate (index number 55). I also believe (I may well be wrong - so if anyone knows better, please chime in) that the NA-S3B is intended for use with the A-65 engine. If that's the case, the venturi is likely only 1 1/4", rather than the 1 3/8" required for the C-85. As to whether the NA-S3B can be used, or modified for use with a C-85, I'll leave that for others more intelligent than I. Bill C. PS Chuck, were you replying to a different thread??? Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=334220#334220 ________________________________ Message 30 ____________________________________ Time: 02:59:32 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: ETHENOL IN NC From: "Bill Church" Here's a handy website that lists gas stations that DO NOT have ethanol mixed with their gas. http://pure-gas.org/ The lists are updated by the users. If you know of a station that offers ethanol-free gas, you can add it to the list. Conversely, if you know of a station that no longer offers ethanol-free gas, you can take them off the list. Just click on the state or province you want to know about, and get a list of stations that serve ethanol-free gas. I just checked for NC, since that state was specifically mentioned, and Wilmington has 4 stations listed, and Winston-Salem only has 2. NC is one of the many states that DO NOT require the pumps to be labeled if ethanol is added to the gas, according to this website: http://www.fuel-testers.com/state_guide_ethanol_laws.html Bill C. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=334221#334221 ________________________________ Message 31 ____________________________________ Time: 03:01:21 PM PST US From: "Jack Phillips" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: ETHENOL IN NC As far as I know, nearly all gas in NC is 10% ethanol. It is very difficult to find gas that does not contain ethanol. Jack Phillips NX899JP "Icarus Plummet" Raleigh, NC _____ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Charles Campbell Sent: Thursday, March 17, 2011 2:41 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: ETHENOL IN NC Don't they have to indicate on the pump if ethenol is being used? I haven't seen any signs in Winston-Salem yet. ----- Original Message ----- From: TGSTONE236@aol.com Sent: Thursday, March 17, 2011 1:23 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: ETHENOL IN NC I ONLY KNOWOF 2 PLACES IN WILMINGTON NC THAT HAS GAS ADVERTISED WITH NO ETHENOL. MAYBE OTHER PLACES IN NC ARE DIFFERENT. TED STONE BUILDING CORVAIR POWERED PIETENPOL href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List">http://www.matronic s.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c ________________________________ Message 32 ____________________________________ Time: 03:07:43 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Fiberglass fuel tanks and ethenol From: "Bill Church" Hey, maybe this scientific breakthrough will eliminate the problems associated with ethanol in gasoline. http://www.canadianmanufacturing.com/design-engineering/news/biofuel-breakthrough-25876?utm_source=DE-eNewsletter&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=DesignEng-03172011 Bill C. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=334225#334225 ________________________________ Message 33 ____________________________________ Time: 03:30:55 PM PST US From: John Hofmann Subject: Pietenpol-List: Jack's Moratorium is Almost Up Release the Kracken! http://www.lileks.com/institute/gallery/homecuring/7.html really do not archive John Hofmann Vice-President, Information Technology The Rees Group, Inc. 2424 American Lane Madison, WI 53704 Phone: 608.443.2468 ext 150 Fax: 608.443.2474 Email: jhofmann@reesgroupinc.com ________________________________ Message 34 ____________________________________ Time: 03:47:00 PM PST US From: "Gboothe5" Subject: Pietenpol-List: FW: [Flitzer-Builders] here you go Ivan Hey guys! Look what I saw on the Flitzer List! Anyone recognize that guy in the upper left? Also, on the right is Patrick Hoyt, 601 builder, and, most notably, powered with a Corvair! I heard his EAA chapter was building a Piet. Gary Boothe From: Flitzer-Builders@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Flitzer-Builders@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Ronny Gosselin Sent: Wednesday, March 16, 2011 7:39 AM Subject: Re: [Flitzer-Builders] here you go Ivan =EF=BB Nice project! Thanks for sharing. This caught my eye...For T-88 glue it could be a good clamp for some uses? what do you guys think? ( they look like just cut plastic tubes? are they?) Thanks all for the anwsers, very exciting! Ron from Montreal ----- Original Message ----- From: Christian Bobka Sent: Wednesday, March 16, 2011 12:32 AM Subject: [Flitzer-Builders] here you go Ivan =EF=BB https://www.yousendit.com/dl?phi_action=app/orchestrateDownload &rurl=https%253A%252F%252Fwww.yousendit.com%252Ftransfer.php%253Faction %253Dbatch_download%2526send_id%253D1069559243%2526email%253D73412439e925 4c06448cac77541c7195 ----- Original Message ----- From: morrisoff@aol.com Sent: Tuesday, March 15, 2011 11:06 PM Subject: Re: [Flitzer-Builders] Emailing: fin in jig.JPG Then let's have the photos of what you have actually done. We're looking for real experience guidance, not theory. Morrisov -----Original Message----- From: Christian Bobka Sent: Wed, Mar 16, 2011 12:02 am Subject: Re: [Flitzer-Builders] Emailing: fin in jig.JPG I build square tails exclusively. Cheers, Chris ----- Original Message ----- From: morrisoff@aol.com Sent: Tuesday, March 15, 2011 10:57 PM Subject: Re: [Flitzer-Builders] Emailing: fin in jig.JPG Chris - Very useful. Can we see pics of the round tail you built? And how you did it? Prost! Baron Ivan Morrisov Connecticut Flitzer Werke __._,_.___ Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post | Start a New Topic Messages in this topic (2) Recent Activity: =C2=B7 New Members 9 Visit Your Group For Flitzer FAQs and much more, visit the Flitzer Sportflug Verein (Flitzer Sport Flying Association) site at http://www.flitzerbiplane.com - Yahoo! Groups Switch to: Text-Only, Daily Digest =A2 Unsubscribe =A2 Terms of Use .. __,_._,___ ________________________________ Message 35 ____________________________________ Time: 03:47:16 PM PST US From: "Gboothe5" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Jack's Moratorium is Almost Up You're sick. Gary From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Hofmann Sent: Thursday, March 17, 2011 3:22 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Jack's Moratorium is Almost Up Release the Kracken! http://www.lileks.com/institute/gallery/homecuring/7.html really do not archive John Hofmann Vice-President, Information Technology The Rees Group, Inc. 2424 American Lane Madison, WI 53704 Phone: 608.443.2468 ext 150 Fax: 608.443.2474 Email: jhofmann@reesgroupinc.com ________________________________ Message 36 ____________________________________ Time: 04:04:05 PM PST US From: "Jack Phillips" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Jack's Moratorium is Almost Up Actually, when John Hofmann, Mike Cuy, Bill Church, Ryan Mueller, Gene Rambo and Rob Busch paid me a visit a couple of weeks ago (Brodhead South), we had much of this stuff. We started with venison chili, made from deer that I shot and butchered myself. Then for breakfast one morning we had "Yankee Pleaser Casserole", made from farm fresh eggs (not store bought) and fresh homemade country sausage, along with grits and cornbread. Jack Phillips NX899JP "Icarus Plummet" Raleigh, NC _____ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gboothe5 Sent: Thursday, March 17, 2011 6:42 PM Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Jack's Moratorium is Almost Up You're sick. Gary From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Hofmann Sent: Thursday, March 17, 2011 3:22 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Jack's Moratorium is Almost Up Release the Kracken! http://www.lileks.com/institute/gallery/homecuring/7.html really do not archive John Hofmann Vice-President, Information Technology The Rees Group, Inc. 2424 American Lane Madison, WI 53704 Phone: 608.443.2468 ext 150 Fax: 608.443.2474 Email: jhofmann@reesgroupinc.com http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List http://forums.matronics.com http://www.matronics.com/contribution ________________________________ Message 37 ____________________________________ Time: 04:17:43 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Jack's Moratorium is Almost Up From: "Bill Church" I REALLY do not recall any meat fisting. I would remember that. BC do NOT archive Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=334231#334231 ________________________________ Message 38 ____________________________________ Time: 04:36:32 PM PST US From: "Jack Phillips" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: FW: [Flitzer-Builders] here you go Ivan Whose tiny little butt is gonna fit in that thing? That fuselage looks like it is maybe 18=9D wide. As for the 601, it is probably appropriate to power one of those with a Corvair. No reason the engine should last any longer than the ailerons Jack Phillips NX899JP =9CIcarus Plummet=9D Raleigh, NC Do Not Archive _____ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gboothe5 Sent: Thursday, March 17, 2011 6:39 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: FW: [Flitzer-Builders] here you go Ivan Hey guys! Look what I saw on the Flitzer List! Anyone recognize that guy in the upper left? Also, on the right is Patrick Hoyt, 601 builder, and, most notably, powered with a Corvair! I heard his EAA chapter was building a Piet. Gary Boothe From: Flitzer-Builders@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Flitzer-Builders@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Ronny Gosselin Sent: Wednesday, March 16, 2011 7:39 AM Subject: Re: [Flitzer-Builders] here you go Ivan =EF=BB Nice project! Thanks for sharing. This caught my eye...For T-88 glue it could be a good clamp for some uses? what do you guys think? ( they look like just cut plastic tubes? are they?) Thanks all for the anwsers, very exciting! Ron from Montreal ----- Original Message ----- From: Christian Bobka Sent: Wednesday, March 16, 2011 12:32 AM Subject: [Flitzer-Builders] here you go Ivan =EF=BB https://www.yousendit.com/dl?phi_action=app/orchestrateDownload &rurl=https%253A%252F%252Fwww.yousendit.com%252Ftransfer.php%253Faction %253Dbatch_download%2526send_id%253D1069559243%2526email%253D73412439e925 4c06448cac77541c7195 ----- Original Message ----- From: morrisoff@aol.com Sent: Tuesday, March 15, 2011 11:06 PM Subject: Re: [Flitzer-Builders] Emailing: fin in jig.JPG Then let's have the photos of what you have actually done. We're looking for real experience guidance, not theory. Morrisov -----Original Message----- From: Christian Bobka Sent: Wed, Mar 16, 2011 12:02 am Subject: Re: [Flitzer-Builders] Emailing: fin in jig.JPG I build square tails exclusively. Cheers, Chris ----- Original Message ----- From: morrisoff@aol.com Sent: Tuesday, March 15, 2011 10:57 PM Subject: Re: [Flitzer-Builders] Emailing: fin in jig.JPG Chris - Very useful. Can we see pics of the round tail you built? And how you did it? Prost! Baron Ivan Morrisov Connecticut Flitzer Werke __._,_.___ Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post | Start a New Topic Messages in this topic (2) Recent Activity: * New Members 9 Visit Your Group For Flitzer FAQs and much more, visit the Flitzer Sportflug Verein (Flitzer Sport Flying Association) site at http://www.flitzerbiplane.com - Yahoo! Groups Switch to: Text-Only, Daily Digest =A2 Unsubscribe =A2 Terms of Use .. __,_._,___ ________________________________ Message 39 ____________________________________ Time: 05:03:19 PM PST US From: "Gboothe5" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: FW: [Flitzer-Builders] here you go Ivan Actually, I like those aileron set ups on the 601.that=99s how I=99m doin=99 my Piet. :-0 Gary From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jack Phillips Sent: Thursday, March 17, 2011 4:28 PM Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: FW: [Flitzer-Builders] here you go Ivan Whose tiny little butt is gonna fit in that thing? That fuselage looks like it is maybe 18=9D wide. As for the 601, it is probably appropriate to power one of those with a Corvair. No reason the engine should last any longer than the ailerons Jack Phillips NX899JP =9CIcarus Plummet=9D Raleigh, NC Do Not Archive _____ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gboothe5 Sent: Thursday, March 17, 2011 6:39 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: FW: [Flitzer-Builders] here you go Ivan Hey guys! Look what I saw on the Flitzer List! Anyone recognize that guy in the upper left? Also, on the right is Patrick Hoyt, 601 builder, and, most notably, powered with a Corvair! I heard his EAA chapter was building a Piet. Gary Boothe From: Flitzer-Builders@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Flitzer-Builders@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Ronny Gosselin Sent: Wednesday, March 16, 2011 7:39 AM Subject: Re: [Flitzer-Builders] here you go Ivan =EF=BB Nice project! Thanks for sharing. This caught my eye...For T-88 glue it could be a good clamp for some uses? what do you guys think? ( they look like just cut plastic tubes? are they?) Thanks all for the anwsers, very exciting! Ron from Montreal ----- Original Message ----- From: Christian Bobka Sent: Wednesday, March 16, 2011 12:32 AM Subject: [Flitzer-Builders] here you go Ivan =EF=BB https://www.yousendit.com/dl?phi_action=app/orchestrateDownload &rurl=https%253A%252F%252Fwww.yousendit.com%252Ftransfer.php%253Faction %253Dbatch_download%2526send_id%253D1069559243%2526email%253D73412439e925 4c06448cac77541c7195 ----- Original Message ----- From: morrisoff@aol.com Sent: Tuesday, March 15, 2011 11:06 PM Subject: Re: [Flitzer-Builders] Emailing: fin in jig.JPG Then let's have the photos of what you have actually done. We're looking for real experience guidance, not theory. Morrisov -----Original Message----- From: Christian Bobka Sent: Wed, Mar 16, 2011 12:02 am Subject: Re: [Flitzer-Builders] Emailing: fin in jig.JPG I build square tails exclusively. Cheers, Chris ----- Original Message ----- From: morrisoff@aol.com Sent: Tuesday, March 15, 2011 10:57 PM Subject: Re: [Flitzer-Builders] Emailing: fin in jig.JPG Chris - Very useful. Can we see pics of the round tail you built? And how you did it? Prost! Baron Ivan Morrisov Connecticut Flitzer Werke __._,_.___ Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post | Start a New Topic Messages in this topic (2) Recent Activity: =C2=B7 New Members 9 Visit Your Group For Flitzer FAQs and much more, visit the Flitzer Sportflug Verein (Flitzer Sport Flying Association) site at http://www.flitzerbiplane.com - Yahoo! Groups Switch to: Text-Only, Daily Digest =A2 Unsubscribe =A2 Terms of Use .. __,_._,___ ________________________________ Message 40 ____________________________________ Time: 05:11:31 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: [Flitzer-Builders] here you go Ivan From: "Ken_P" Careful Jack - Less than 24 hours to go... Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=334234#334234 ________________________________ Message 41 ____________________________________ Time: 05:37:33 PM PST US From: "Jack Phillips" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: [Flitzer-Builders] here you go Ivan Actually, since you're in Australia now Ken, the time is up for you, since this is already March 18 there. So if I send disparaging remarks about Corvairs to you, and copy the rest of the Pietenpol list, that should be ok, right? Jack Phillips NX899JP "Icarus Plummet" Raleigh, NC -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ken_P Sent: Thursday, March 17, 2011 8:09 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: [Flitzer-Builders] here you go Ivan Careful Jack - Less than 24 hours to go... Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=334234#334234 ________________________________ Message 42 ____________________________________ Time: 05:39:02 PM PST US From: "Jack Phillips" Subject: Pietenpol-List: What a Day to Fly!! Today I did the annual spring Plane swap - flew the RV-4 from Raleigh to Smith Mountain Lake (94 nm in 36 minutes = 156 knots or 180 mph), and then brought the Pietenpol back (94 nm in 1 hour 46 minutes = 53.2 knots or 61 mph) to begin the spring Fly-in season this weekend. I had 79 =B0 F, perfectly clear skies and 50 miles visibility, with surface winds light and variable. Even made 2 nice 3-point landings (one in each airplane). It just doesn't get any better than this! Saturday I'll fly the Pietenpol into our monthly EAA Chapter meeting, then fly it down to Carthage, NC, for lunch at the Pik 'n' Pig and the dedication of a plaque to James McConnell, an early aviator from Carthage who fought (and died) in the Lafayette Escadrille in The Great War. I'll keep the Pietenpol here during most of April and attend a few fly-ins, then get it back to Smith Mountain Lake in time for our fly-in there on April 30. In May I'm supposed to have it on static dsiplay for the Lynchburg Airshow which will be a pretty major airshow, complete with the Blue Angels (http://www.lynchburgairshow.com/) . I don't know what June will bring, but then the major event of the year will be flying to Brodhead for the Pietenpol Reunion, along with that other Wisconsin Fly-in the following week. Life is good! Jack Phillips NX899JP "Icarus Plummet" Raleigh, NC ________________________________ Message 43 ____________________________________ Time: 05:45:51 PM PST US From: "Charles Campbell" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: ETHENOL IN NC I guess I stand corrected. The last time we had this problem, in the 70's I think, if a pump had ethenol there had to be a notice to that effect printed on the pump. I guess they must have changed that. I have noticed a slight decrease in fuel milage on my auto but just thought it was because of my driving. ----- Original Message ----- From: Jack Phillips To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Thursday, March 17, 2011 5:57 PM Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: ETHENOL IN NC As far as I know, nearly all gas in NC is 10% ethanol. It is very difficult to find gas that does not contain ethanol. Jack Phillips NX899JP "Icarus Plummet" Raleigh, NC ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Charles Campbell Sent: Thursday, March 17, 2011 2:41 PM To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: ETHENOL IN NC Don't they have to indicate on the pump if ethenol is being used? I haven't seen any signs in Winston-Salem yet. ----- Original Message ----- From: TGSTONE236@aol.com To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Thursday, March 17, 2011 1:23 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: ETHENOL IN NC I ONLY KNOWOF 2 PLACES IN WILMINGTON NC THAT HAS GAS ADVERTISED WITH NO ETHENOL. MAYBE OTHER PLACES IN NC ARE DIFFERENT. TED STONE BUILDING CORVAIR POWERED PIETENPOL href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List">http://www.mat ronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-Listhref="http://forums.matronics.com">h ttp://forums.matronics.comhref="http://www.matronics.com/contribution"> http://www.matronics.com/c http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-Listhttp://forums.matronics. comhttp://www.matronics.com/contribution ________________________________ Message 44 ____________________________________ Time: 06:30:28 PM PST US From: "Gboothe5" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: What a Day to Fly!! Jack, Great pic! Speaking of the Lafayette Escadrille, I have been reading Rickenbacker's account of his flying adventures there. I was surprised to learn that they often flew to 15, 16, 17, even 18,000 ft! Temps were often down to -50!! What a MAN! If you need something to do in June, please join us for the West Coast Pietenpol gathering at Frazier Lake, Ca., on June 4,5. You'd have just enough time to make it to Brodhead. Gary _____________________________________________ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jack Phillips Sent: Thursday, March 17, 2011 5:16 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: What a Day to Fly!! Today I did the annual spring Plane swap - flew the RV-4 from Raleigh to Smith Mountain Lake (94 nm in 36 minutes = 156 knots or 180 mph), and then brought the Pietenpol back (94 nm in 1 hour 46 minutes = 53.2 knots or 61 mph) to begin the spring Fly-in season this weekend. I had 79 =B0 F, perfectly clear skies and 50 miles visibility, with surface winds light and variable. Even made 2 nice 3-point landings (one in each airplane). It just doesn't get any better than this! Saturday I'll fly the Pietenpol into our monthly EAA Chapter meeting, then fly it down to Carthage, NC, for lunch at the Pik 'n' Pig and the dedication of a plaque to James McConnell, an early aviator from Carthage who fought (and died) in the Lafayette Escadrille in The Great War. I'll keep the Pietenpol here during most of April and attend a few fly-ins, then get it back to Smith Mountain Lake in time for our fly-in there on April 30. In May I'm supposed to have it on static dsiplay for the Lynchburg Airshow which will be a pretty major airshow, complete with the Blue Angels (http://www.lynchburgairshow.com/) . I don't know what June will bring, but then the major event of the year will be flying to Brodhead for the Pietenpol Reunion, along with that other Wisconsin Fly-in the following week. Life is good! Jack Phillips NX899JP "Icarus Plummet" Raleigh, NC ________________________________ Message 45 ____________________________________ Time: 07:47:07 PM PST US From: "Greg Cardinal" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: FW: [Flitzer-Builders] here you go Ivan Jack, it's an optical illusion. This Piet has a slighly enlarged fuselage due to the co-owners all being taller than average. Greg C. ----- Original Message ----- From: Jack Phillips To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Thursday, March 17, 2011 6:28 PM Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: FW: [Flitzer-Builders] here you go Ivan Whose tiny little butt is gonna fit in that thing? That fuselage looks like it is maybe 18=9D wide. As for the 601, it is probably appropriate to power one of those with a Corvair. No reason the engine should last any longer than the ailerons Jack Phillips NX899JP =9CIcarus Plummet=9D Raleigh, NC Do Not Archive ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gboothe5 Sent: Thursday, March 17, 2011 6:39 PM To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Subject: Pietenpol-List: FW: [Flitzer-Builders] here you go Ivan Hey guys! Look what I saw on the Flitzer List! Anyone recognize that guy in the upper left? Also, on the right is Patrick Hoyt, 601 builder, and, most notably, powered with a Corvair! I heard his EAA chapter was building a Piet. Gary Boothe From: Flitzer-Builders@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Flitzer-Builders@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Ronny Gosselin Sent: Wednesday, March 16, 2011 7:39 AM To: Flitzer-Builders@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Flitzer-Builders] here you go Ivan =EF=BB Nice project! Thanks for sharing. This caught my eye...For T-88 glue it could be a good clamp for some uses? what do you guys think? ( they look like just cut plastic tubes? are they?) Thanks all for the anwsers, very exciting! Ron from Montreal ----- Original Message ----- From: Christian Bobka To: Flitzer-Builders@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, March 16, 2011 12:32 AM Subject: [Flitzer-Builders] here you go Ivan =EF=BB https://www.yousendit.com/dl?phi_action=app/orchestrateDownload&rurl= https%253A%252F%252Fwww.yousendit.com%252Ftransfer.php%253Faction%253Dbat ch_download%2526send_id%253D1069559243%2526email%253D73412439e9254c06448c ac77541c7195 ----- Original Message ----- From: morrisoff@aol.com To: Flitzer-Builders@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, March 15, 2011 11:06 PM Subject: Re: [Flitzer-Builders] Emailing: fin in jig.JPG Then let's have the photos of what you have actually done. We're looking for real experience guidance, not theory. Morrisov -----Original Message----- From: Christian Bobka To: Flitzer-Builders@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wed, Mar 16, 2011 12:02 am Subject: Re: [Flitzer-Builders] Emailing: fin in jig.JPG I build square tails exclusively. Cheers, Chris ----- Original Message ----- From: morrisoff@aol.com To: Flitzer-Builders@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, March 15, 2011 10:57 PM Subject: Re: [Flitzer-Builders] Emailing: fin in jig.JPG Chris - Very useful. Can we see pics of the round tail you built? And how you did it? Prost! Baron Ivan Morrisov Connecticut Flitzer Werke __._,_.___ Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post | Start a New Topic Messages in this topic (2) Recent Activity: =C2=B7 New Members 9 Visit Your Group For Flitzer FAQs and much more, visit the Flitzer Sportflug Verein (Flitzer Sport Flying Association) site at http://www.flitzerbiplane.com - Switch to: Text-Only, Daily Digest =A2 Unsubscribe =A2 Terms of Use . __,_._,___ ________________________________ Message 46 ____________________________________ Time: 08:31:17 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: [Flitzer-Builders] here you go Ivan From: "Ken_P" Aw Jack, you didn't say 30 calendar days, you said thirty days... And if you really want to get picky about it we should consider daylight savings time and that extra hour... Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=334244#334244 ________________________________ Message 47 ____________________________________ Time: 08:37:22 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Jack's Moratorium is Almost Up From: "K5YAC" -------- Mark Chouinard Wings, Center Section and Empannage framed up - Working on Fuselage Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=334245#334245 ________________________________ Message 48 ____________________________________ Time: 08:57:28 PM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: [Flitzer-Builders] here you go Ivan From: Matthew VanDervort Don't encourage him!! And please do not archive!! Sent from my iPhone On Mar 17, 2011, at 11:29 PM, "Ken_P" wrote: > > Aw Jack, you didn't say 30 calendar days, you said thirty days... And if you really want to get picky about it we should consider daylight savings time and that extra hour... > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=334244#334244 > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 49 ____________________________________ Time: 08:58:30 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: C85-8F From: "Piet2112" Today I pulled two cylinders off to get a good look inside of my 1947 engine. It was removed from a PA-11 back in 1983, pickled and stored. It has only 1300TT and 300SMOH. My IA friend was very excited by what he saw inside. No apparent corrosion & everything was very tight. We checked a few tolerances and they were within new specs. I put it back together with a sound mind about my acquisition. The only question he had for me was if I wanted to put it back together and see if it would run. I thought we should wait till we look at everything on it. Curt Merdan Flower Mound, TX Long Fuse, C85 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=334246#334246 ________________________________ Message 50 ____________________________________ Time: 11:14:46 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: I announced a while ago....., Dan Helsper's prop-carving CD From: "Billy McCaskill" I got my prop carving CD directly from Dan at Brodhead 2009, and I can attest to the quality of the information presented in it. I haven't carved a prop yet based on the information, but he makes it look easy enough that anyone who can build the rest of the airframe should be able to carve a good usable prop. It is presented in a friendly manner of "this is how I did it", and not "this is how it HAS TO BE DONE." If you are interested in carving your own prop, this CD is a worthwhile source of information. p.s. I'm not a paid spokesman for this product and this statement is purely my own opinion. 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