---------------------------------------------------------- Pietenpol-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Fri 03/18/11: 70 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 12:36 AM - Re: Jack's Moratorium is Almost Up (bubbleboy) 2. 01:43 AM - Re: Re: C85-8F (Jack) 3. 04:37 AM - Re: Re: C85-8F (Jack Phillips) 4. 05:11 AM - Re: Re: C85-8F (Charles Campbell) 5. 05:17 AM - Re: Re: I announced a while ago....., Dan Helsper's prop-carving CD still avilable also (helspersew@aol.com) 6. 05:35 AM - Corvair (Gboothe5) 7. 05:59 AM - Re: What a Day to Fly!! (airlion) 8. 05:59 AM - Unsafe at any Altitude (Jack Phillips) 9. 06:00 AM - Re: Re: I announced a while ago....., Dan Helsper's prop-carving CD still avilable also (Gboothe5) 10. 06:38 AM - Re: Fiberglass fuel tanks and ethenol (Pieti Lowell) 11. 06:42 AM - carb question (TriScout) 12. 06:52 AM - Re: carb question (Kip and Beth Gardner) 13. 06:53 AM - Re: Re: I announced a while ago....., Dan Helsper's prop-carving CD still avilable also (TOM STINEMETZE) 14. 07:04 AM - Re: Corvair - Unsafe at any Altitude (Jack Phillips) 15. 07:25 AM - Re: Corvair - Unsafe at any Altitude (TOM STINEMETZE) 16. 07:44 AM - Re: Corvair - Unsafe at any Altitude (Gboothe5) 17. 07:44 AM - Re: Corvair - Unsafe at any Altitude (Jim Markle) 18. 08:55 AM - Re: Re: Corvair - Unsafe at any Altitude (Jack) 19. 09:23 AM - Re: Re: I announced a while ago....., Dan Helsper's prop-carving CD still avilable also (KM Heide CPO/FAAOP) 20. 09:37 AM - Re: Corvair (Gboothe5) 21. 09:38 AM - Re: Corvair - Unsafe at any Altitude (Jack Phillips) 22. 09:50 AM - Re: Corvair - Unsafe at any Altitude (TOM STINEMETZE) 23. 09:54 AM - Great Plains VW conversion (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC AEROSPACE CORP]) 24. 10:02 AM - Re: Corvair (Jack Phillips) 25. 10:26 AM - Re: Corvair - Unsafe at any Altitude (Bill Church) 26. 10:39 AM - Re: Corvair (Gboothe5) 27. 10:46 AM - Re: Corvair (K5YAC) 28. 10:52 AM - Re: Corvair (Jack Phillips) 29. 11:24 AM - Re: Corvair (K5YAC) 30. 11:47 AM - Re: Re: Corvair (Jack Phillips) 31. 12:02 PM - Re: Corvair (K5YAC) 32. 12:25 PM - Re: Re: Corvair (Gboothe5) 33. 12:29 PM - Re: carb question (Jerry Dotson) 34. 12:36 PM - Continentals (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC AEROSPACE CORP]) 35. 12:45 PM - stromberg carb (TGSTONE236@aol.com) 36. 12:47 PM - Re: Corvair (K5YAC) 37. 12:53 PM - Re: Continentals (Gboothe5) 38. 12:54 PM - Re: Re: Corvair (Gboothe5) 39. 12:58 PM - Re: Corvair (Bill Church) 40. 01:05 PM - Jack makes a good point about......... (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC AEROSPACE CORP]) 41. 01:11 PM - Re: Continentals (Jerry Dotson) 42. 01:14 PM - Re: Re: Corvair (Gboothe5) 43. 01:20 PM - Re: Corvair (K5YAC) 44. 01:23 PM - Re: stromberg carb (Ryan Mueller) 45. 01:45 PM - Leading Edge (Gboothe5) 46. 01:47 PM - These here fellers were breaking in this straight six for use...... (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC AEROSPACE CORP]) 47. 01:58 PM - Re: Jack makes a good point about......... (Darrel Jones) 48. 01:59 PM - Re: Leading Edge (Billy McCaskill) 49. 02:03 PM - why Pietenpol used auto engines (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC AEROSPACE CORP]) 50. 02:15 PM - Grace (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC AEROSPACE CORP]) 51. 02:24 PM - and as long as we are talking money (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC AEROSPACE CORP]) 52. 02:59 PM - Re: Jack makes a good point about......... (Ryan Mueller) 53. 03:41 PM - Re: carb question (Charles Campbell) 54. 03:59 PM - Re: Jack makes a good point about......... (Charles Campbell) 55. 04:51 PM - Re: These here fellers were breaking in this straight six for use...... (Gboothe5) 56. 04:57 PM - Re: Re: I announced a while ago....., Dan Helsper's prop-carving CD still avilable also (Rick Holland) 57. 05:06 PM - Re: Corvair - Unsafe at any Altitude (Doug Dever) 58. 05:44 PM - Project for sale (olflyr45) 59. 06:06 PM - Re: Project for sale (Chad Hill) 60. 06:09 PM - Re: Corvair - Unsafe at any Altitude (Ryan Mueller) 61. 06:40 PM - Re: Re: Continentals (airlion) 62. 06:54 PM - Re: Continentals (Jerry Dotson) 63. 07:01 PM - Re: carb question (TriScout) 64. 07:16 PM - Re: Re: Continentals (airlion) 65. 07:21 PM - Re: Re: ETHENOL IN NC (Greg Cardinal) 66. 08:37 PM - Re: and as long as we are talking money2 (jorge lizarraga) 67. 09:04 PM - Gascolator (Gboothe5) 68. 09:04 PM - Re: Corvair - Unsafe at any Altitude (John Hofmann) 69. 10:40 PM - Re: and as long as we are talking money2 (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC AEROSPACE CORP]) 70. 11:11 PM - Re: Gascolator (Clif Dawson) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 12:36:43 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Jack's Moratorium is Almost Up From: "bubbleboy" In Australia we call that Bestiality and its illegal...... Do not archive [Laughing] -------- Scotty Tamworth, Australia Building a Corvair Powered Pietenpol Air Camper www.scottyspietenpol.com Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=334256#334256 ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 01:43:43 AM PST US From: "Jack" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: C85-8F Great news Curt, congratulations! Jack DSM Do not archive -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Piet2112 Sent: Thursday, March 17, 2011 10:56 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: C85-8F Today I pulled two cylinders off to get a good look inside of my 1947 engine. It was removed from a PA-11 back in 1983, pickled and stored. It has only 1300TT and 300SMOH. My IA friend was very excited by what he saw inside. No apparent corrosion & everything was very tight. We checked a few tolerances and they were within new specs. I put it back together with a sound mind about my acquisition. The only question he had for me was if I wanted to put it back together and see if it would run. I thought we should wait till we look at everything on it. Curt Merdan Flower Mound, TX Long Fuse, C85 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=334246#334246 ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 04:37:14 AM PST US From: "Jack Phillips" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: C85-8F Great, Curt. Always good to see a new Pietenpol with something besides Chevrolet's inadequate answer to the Volkswagon on its nose. I had a C85-8F on my Cessna 140 several years ago and liked everything about it but the generator. It was criminal to lug around a piece of equipment of that weight that put out so few amps. Jack Phillips NX899JP "Icarus Plummet" Raleigh, NC -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Piet2112 Sent: Thursday, March 17, 2011 11:56 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: C85-8F Today I pulled two cylinders off to get a good look inside of my 1947 engine. It was removed from a PA-11 back in 1983, pickled and stored. It has only 1300TT and 300SMOH. My IA friend was very excited by what he saw inside. No apparent corrosion & everything was very tight. We checked a few tolerances and they were within new specs. I put it back together with a sound mind about my acquisition. The only question he had for me was if I wanted to put it back together and see if it would run. I thought we should wait till we look at everything on it. Curt Merdan Flower Mound, TX Long Fuse, C85 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=334246#334246 ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 05:11:43 AM PST US From: "Charles Campbell" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: C85-8F I guess the moratorium is over! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jack Phillips" Sent: Friday, March 18, 2011 7:31 AM Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: C85-8F > > > Great, Curt. Always good to see a new Pietenpol with something besides > Chevrolet's inadequate answer to the Volkswagon on its nose. > > I had a C85-8F on my Cessna 140 several years ago and liked everything > about > it but the generator. It was criminal to lug around a piece of equipment > of > that weight that put out so few amps. > > Jack Phillips > NX899JP "Icarus Plummet" > Raleigh, NC > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Piet2112 > Sent: Thursday, March 17, 2011 11:56 PM > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: C85-8F > > > Today I pulled two cylinders off to get a good look inside of my 1947 > engine. > It was removed from a PA-11 back in 1983, pickled and stored. It has only > 1300TT and 300SMOH. My IA friend was very excited by what he saw > inside. No apparent corrosion & everything was very tight. We checked a > few tolerances and they were within new specs. I put it back together > with > a > sound mind about my acquisition. The only question he had for me was if > I wanted to put it back together and see if it would run. I thought we > should > wait till we look at everything on it. > > Curt Merdan > Flower Mound, TX > Long Fuse, C85 > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=334246#334246 > > > ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 05:17:47 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: I announced a while ago....., Dan Helsper's prop-carving CD still avilable also From: helspersew@aol.com I need to protect my vast distribution network. And at that price it is wel l worth the money!! do not archive Dan Helsper Puryear, TN. -----Original Message----- From: KM Heide CPO/FAAOP Sent: Thu, Mar 17, 2011 2:11 pm Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: I announced a while ago....., Dan Helsper' s prop-carving CD still avilable also com> What? No fellow pieter discount? -- On Wed, 3/16/11, helspersew@aol.com wrote: > From: helspersew@aol.com Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: I announced a while ago....., Dan Helsper 's rop-carving CD still avilable also To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Date: Wednesday, March 16, 2011, 7:15 PM And while this thread has some lift left to it, I'll unashamedly pile-on to to do some self-promotion for myself, so I can selfishly profit from the momentum. My instructional prop-carving CD is still available from Aircraft Spruce http://www.aircraftspruce.com/c atalog/bvpages/propellercarving.php. This must be a good, professional product, otherwise ACS would not be selling it, right? Dan Helsper Puryear, TN. -======================== -= - The Pietenpol-List Email Forum - -= Use the Matronics List Features Navigator to browse -= the many List utilities such as List Un/Subscription, -= Archive Search & Download, 7-Day Browse, Chat, FAQ, -= Photoshare, and much much more: - -= --> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List - -======================== -= - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS - -= Same great content also available via the Web Forums! - -= --> http://forums.matronics.com - -======================== -= - List Contribution Web Site - -= Thank you for your generous support! -= -Matt Dralle, List Admin. -= --> http://www.matronics.com/contribution -======================== ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 05:35:48 AM PST US From: "Gboothe5" Subject: Pietenpol-List: Corvair Jack, Your self-imposed 30-day moratorium on Corvair bashing appears to be over. You offered this to me as a symbol of your appreciation for receiving some tubing for your RV that I had as extra. You again prove yourself to be an Honorable and Fair Minded Man! (not that that was ever in question) A couple times you have expressed your reasons for dissatisfaction with the Corvair Movement...everyone is entitled to an opinion. Let's assume that Corvair could rise above such prejudice with pure success...just as flying went from 'dare devil' to pure fun. Being fare-minded, if Corvair powered a/c, with 5th bearing, could accumulate 1,000,000 hours free of crank breakage, would you concede that they are a viable engine? I'm hoping you would say, 'Yes', as any other response would be contrary to proven success. The point being, it would be possible to get you, and any other like-minded individual, to change his opinion. Have you ever had the pleasure of attending a William Wynn Corvair College? Or meeting him at events like SNF or Oshkosh? Corvair Colleges are free, two-day events (weekends), held several times per year around the country, with one coming up soon in your neighborhood! Being a Fair Minded Man, would you avail yourself the opportunity to see why the Corvair should not be judged based on misfortunes of a young man's ill-fated date? Just wondering... Gary -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jack Phillips Sent: Friday, March 18, 2011 4:32 AM Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: C85-8F Great, Curt. Always good to see a new Pietenpol with something besides Chevrolet's inadequate answer to the Volkswagon on its nose. I had a C85-8F on my Cessna 140 several years ago and liked everything about it but the generator. It was criminal to lug around a piece of equipment of that weight that put out so few amps. Jack Phillips NX899JP "Icarus Plummet" Raleigh, NC -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Piet2112 Sent: Thursday, March 17, 2011 11:56 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: C85-8F Today I pulled two cylinders off to get a good look inside of my 1947 engine. It was removed from a PA-11 back in 1983, pickled and stored. It has only 1300TT and 300SMOH. My IA friend was very excited by what he saw inside. No apparent corrosion & everything was very tight. We checked a few tolerances and they were within new specs. I put it back together with a sound mind about my acquisition. The only question he had for me was if I wanted to put it back together and see if it would run. I thought we should wait till we look at everything on it. Curt Merdan Flower Mound, TX Long Fuse, C85 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=334246#334246 ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 05:59:56 AM PST US From: airlion Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: What a Day to Fly!! Yes it is Jack., but don't get too close to the sun or your wax wings will melt. I am heading to sun n fun next Saturday with a couple of Big Piets for a week. Cheers, Gardiner ----- Original Message ---- From: Jack Phillips Sent: Thu, March 17, 2011 8:15:32 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: What a Day to Fly!! Today I did the annual spring Plane swap - flew the RV-4 from Raleigh to Smith Mountain Lake (94 nm in 36 minutes = 156 knots or 180 mph), and then brought the Pietenpol back (94 nm in 1 hour 46 minutes = 53.2 knots or 61 mph) to begin the spring Fly-in season this weekend. I had 79 F, perfectly clear skies and 50 miles visibility, with surface winds light and variable. Even made 2 nice 3-point landings (one in each airplane). It just doesn't get any better than this! Saturday I'll fly the Pietenpol into our monthly EAA Chapter meeting, then fly it down to Carthage, NC, for lunch at the Pik 'n' Pig and the dedication of a plaque to James McConnell, an early aviator from Carthage who fought (and died) in the Lafayette Escadrille in The Great War. I'll keep the Pietenpol here during most of April and attend a few fly-ins, then get it back to Smith Mountain Lake in time for our fly-in there on April 30. In May I'm supposed to have it on static dsiplay for the Lynchburg Airshow which will be a pretty major airshow, complete with the Blue Angels (http://www.lynchburgairshow.com/) . I don't know what June will bring, but then the major event of the year will be flying to Brodhead for the Pietenpol Reunion, along with that other Wisconsin Fly-in the following week. Life is good! Jack Phillips NX899JP "Icarus Plummet" Raleigh, NC ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 05:59:56 AM PST US From: "Jack Phillips" Subject: Pietenpol-List: Unsafe at any Altitude Yep, I've bitten my tongue for 30 days without seriously disparaging the Corvair as a psuedo aircraft engine. I couldn't help but think about Corvairs yesterday as I flew my Pietenpol over the hills and forests of the Piedmont of Virginia and North Carolina. All I could think of was "Where would I be able to put it down if my crankshaft broke?" Fortunately, I was flying behind a Continental. As I've said before, if I lived in the midwest with thousands of potential forced landing sites continuously available, I would probably put an auto engine in my Pietenpol, but it would be a Model A Ford. Jack Phillips NX899JP "Icarus Plummet" Raleigh, NC -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Charles Campbell Sent: Friday, March 18, 2011 8:09 AM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: C85-8F I guess the moratorium is over! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jack Phillips" Sent: Friday, March 18, 2011 7:31 AM Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: C85-8F > > > Great, Curt. Always good to see a new Pietenpol with something besides > Chevrolet's inadequate answer to the Volkswagon on its nose. > > I had a C85-8F on my Cessna 140 several years ago and liked everything > about > it but the generator. It was criminal to lug around a piece of equipment > of > that weight that put out so few amps. > > Jack Phillips > NX899JP "Icarus Plummet" > Raleigh, NC > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Piet2112 > Sent: Thursday, March 17, 2011 11:56 PM > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: C85-8F > > > Today I pulled two cylinders off to get a good look inside of my 1947 > engine. > It was removed from a PA-11 back in 1983, pickled and stored. It has only > 1300TT and 300SMOH. My IA friend was very excited by what he saw > inside. No apparent corrosion & everything was very tight. We checked a > few tolerances and they were within new specs. I put it back together > with > a > sound mind about my acquisition. The only question he had for me was if > I wanted to put it back together and see if it would run. I thought we > should > wait till we look at everything on it. > > Curt Merdan > Flower Mound, TX > Long Fuse, C85 > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=334246#334246 > > > ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 06:00:52 AM PST US From: "Gboothe5" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: I announced a while ago....., Dan Helsper's prop-carving CD still avilable also I'll attest to that! The CD is well worth it, plus you get to bother Dan with an incredible number of questions, and he never complains! My prop took close to 40 hours (filing Hickory can be laborious). Since then, the engine has run (without breaking a crank.even once!), but it did not have this prop bolted on. Gary Boothe From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of helspersew@aol.com Sent: Friday, March 18, 2011 5:15 AM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: I announced a while ago....., Dan Helsper's prop-carving CD still avilable also I need to protect my vast distribution network. And at that price it is well worth the money!! do not archive Dan Helsper Puryear, TN. -----Original Message----- From: KM Heide CPO/FAAOP Sent: Thu, Mar 17, 2011 2:11 pm Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: I announced a while ago....., Dan Helsper's prop-carving CD still avilable also What? No fellow pieter discount? --- On Wed, 3/16/11, helspersew@aol.com wrote: > From: helspersew@aol.com > Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: I announced a while ago....., Dan Helsper's prop-carving CD still avilable also > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > Date: Wednesday, March 16, 2011, 7:15 PM > > > > > > > And while this thread has some lift left to it, > I'll unashamedly pile-on to to do some > self-promotion for myself, so I can selfishly profit from > the momentum. My instructional prop-carving > CD is still available from Aircraft Spruce http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/bvpages/propellercarving.php. > This must be a good, professional product, otherwise ACS > would not be selling it, right? > > > > > > > Dan > Helsper > > > Puryear, > TN. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " target=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List p://forums.matronics.com blank>http://www.matronics.com/contribution ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 06:38:25 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Fiberglass fuel tanks and ethenol From: "Pieti Lowell" I have a glass Piet wing tank that I will sell cheep, It started to leak when the new ,better fuel was forced upon the people. Went to Aluminum, no problems, when welded right. Pieti Lowell Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=334272#334272 ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 06:42:27 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: carb question From: "TriScout" Before I take carb off of engine,..I have an A65-8 w/Stromberg carb. I ran the engine yesterday (runs good), but the throttle cable works backward. Is there a way to rig the valve in said carb to work in the opposite direction?... my other option would be to tear fabric off side of aircraft in order to put a different throttle cable in...hate to do that. thx in advance.. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=334273#334273 ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 06:52:32 AM PST US From: Kip and Beth Gardner Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: carb question I don't know if it would be considered good practice or not, but is it possible to add linkage at the engine end of the throttle cable that would reverse the direction of travel at the carb? Kip Gardner On Mar 18, 2011, at 9:39 AM, TriScout wrote: > > > Before I take carb off of engine,..I have an A65-8 w/Stromberg carb. > I ran the engine yesterday (runs good), but the throttle cable works > backward. Is there a way to rig the valve in said carb to work in > the opposite direction?... my other option would be to tear fabric > off side of aircraft in order to put a different throttle cable > in...hate to do that. thx in advance.. > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=334273#334273 > > ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 06:53:59 AM PST US From: "TOM STINEMETZE" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: I announced a while ago....., Dan Helsper's prop-carving CD still avilable also Thanks Gary. That photo is another great addition to my screensaver slideshow. Stinemetze do not archive >>> "Gboothe5" 3/18/2011 7:57 AM >>> Ill attest to that! The CD is well worth it, plus you get to bother Dan with an incredible number of questions, and he never complains! My prop took close to 40 hours (filing Hickory can be laborious). Since then, the engine has run (without breaking a crankeven once!), but it did not have this prop bolted on. Gary Boothe From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of helspersew@aol.com Sent: Friday, March 18, 2011 5:15 AM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: I announced a while ago....., Dan Helsper's prop-carving CD still avilable also I need to protect my vast distribution network. And at that price it is well worth the money!! do not archive Dan Helsper Puryear, TN. -----Original Message----- From: KM Heide CPO/FAAOP Sent: Thu, Mar 17, 2011 2:11 pm Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: I announced a while ago....., Dan Helsper's prop-carving CD still avilable also--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: KM Heide CPO/FAAOP What? No fellow pieter discount? --- On Wed, 3/16/11, helspersew@aol.com wrote: > From: helspersew@aol.com > Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: I announced a while ago....., Dan Helsper's prop-carving CD still avilable also> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com> Date: Wednesday, March 16, 2011, 7:15 PM> > > > > > > And while this thread has some lift left to it,> I'll unashamedly pile-on to to do some> self-promotion for myself, so I can selfishly profit from> the momentum. My instructional prop-carving> CD is still available from Aircraft Spruce http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/bvpages/propellercarving.php.> This must be a good, professional product, otherwise ACS> would not be selling it, right?> > > > > > > Dan> Helsper> > > Puryear,> TN.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " target=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-Listp://forums.matronics.comblank>http://www.matronics.com/contribution http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-Listhttp://forums.matronics.comhttp://www.matronics.com/contribution ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 07:04:57 AM PST US From: "Jack Phillips" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Corvair - Unsafe at any Altitude Gary, My moratorium on Corvair-Bashing was offered as a tribute to you and your generosity for sending me the tubing (for which I'll happily repay you at Brodhead with the beer and/or single malt scotch of your choice). I do consider myself to be a reasonable man, and I admire people who are willing to reconsider their views periodically, when there appears to be some doubt about their original position (not that this condition applies in this case). If and when Corvairs reach the level of reliability where they can routinely operate for 1500 hours or more without requiring a major overhaul, then I'll consider them a somewhat adequate aircraft engine. However, expecting me to attend a Corvair College and suddenly become a convert (what kind of kool-aid do they serve at these functions?) is like expecting me to attend a RuPaul concert and suddenly come out of the closet as a homosexual. It's just not very likely. If a Corvair College were offered across the street from my house and my grass didn't need mowing, I would probably attend. I have not had the pleasure of meeting William Wynne, although I've seen him and Grace at Brodhead and at Oshkosh. If nothing else, I admire his taste in women. I believe him to truly be an expert on Corvair engines, and think he knows what he's talking about. What amazes me are the people who hear him say "You need to put the 5th bearing in" and choose to ignore this advice. The Corvair controversy will go on forever, just like the douglas fir / sitka spruce discussion, or latex paint or any of a number of discussions. This is one of the beauties of this airplane design, and this discussion group. I've just always believed that there is nothing so important, or so sacred, that it can't be made fun of. So carry on, Gary. Let me know when you are going to fly your Corvair powered Pietenpol to Brodhead. Jack Phillips NX899JP "Icarus Plummet" Raleigh, NC -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gboothe5 Sent: Friday, March 18, 2011 8:29 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Corvair Jack, Your self-imposed 30-day moratorium on Corvair bashing appears to be over. You offered this to me as a symbol of your appreciation for receiving some tubing for your RV that I had as extra. You again prove yourself to be an Honorable and Fair Minded Man! (not that that was ever in question) A couple times you have expressed your reasons for dissatisfaction with the Corvair Movement...everyone is entitled to an opinion. Let's assume that Corvair could rise above such prejudice with pure success...just as flying went from 'dare devil' to pure fun. Being fare-minded, if Corvair powered a/c, with 5th bearing, could accumulate 1,000,000 hours free of crank breakage, would you concede that they are a viable engine? I'm hoping you would say, 'Yes', as any other response would be contrary to proven success. The point being, it would be possible to get you, and any other like-minded individual, to change his opinion. Have you ever had the pleasure of attending a William Wynn Corvair College? Or meeting him at events like SNF or Oshkosh? Corvair Colleges are free, two-day events (weekends), held several times per year around the country, with one coming up soon in your neighborhood! Being a Fair Minded Man, would you avail yourself the opportunity to see why the Corvair should not be judged based on misfortunes of a young man's ill-fated date? Just wondering... Gary ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 07:25:30 AM PST US From: "TOM STINEMETZE" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Corvair - Unsafe at any Altitude >>> "Jack Phillips" 3/18/2011 9:00 AM >>> I've just always believed that there is nothing so important, or so sacred, that it can't be made fun of. Jack: This is truely an inspired, and inspiring, phylosophy that I can get behind. However, I just can't understand why you would want to be put on record degrading the work of our most beloved and iconic leader - the Most Novel and Revered BHP himself - who did the pioneering work on the Corvair aircraft conversion. I shudder to think of him spinning in his grave with no internet access available to steer you straight. Tom Stinemetze in blessed flat Kansas with emergency landing fields as far as the eye can see do not archive ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 07:44:19 AM PST US From: "Gboothe5" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Corvair - Unsafe at any Altitude Fair enough! I'm all for making fun of stuff! Gary Do not archive -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jack Phillips Sent: Friday, March 18, 2011 7:00 AM Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Corvair - Unsafe at any Altitude Gary, My moratorium on Corvair-Bashing was offered as a tribute to you and your generosity for sending me the tubing (for which I'll happily repay you at Brodhead with the beer and/or single malt scotch of your choice). I do consider myself to be a reasonable man, and I admire people who are willing to reconsider their views periodically, when there appears to be some doubt about their original position (not that this condition applies in this case). If and when Corvairs reach the level of reliability where they can routinely operate for 1500 hours or more without requiring a major overhaul, then I'll consider them a somewhat adequate aircraft engine. However, expecting me to attend a Corvair College and suddenly become a convert (what kind of kool-aid do they serve at these functions?) is like expecting me to attend a RuPaul concert and suddenly come out of the closet as a homosexual. It's just not very likely. If a Corvair College were offered across the street from my house and my grass didn't need mowing, I would probably attend. I have not had the pleasure of meeting William Wynne, although I've seen him and Grace at Brodhead and at Oshkosh. If nothing else, I admire his taste in women. I believe him to truly be an expert on Corvair engines, and think he knows what he's talking about. What amazes me are the people who hear him say "You need to put the 5th bearing in" and choose to ignore this advice. The Corvair controversy will go on forever, just like the douglas fir / sitka spruce discussion, or latex paint or any of a number of discussions. This is one of the beauties of this airplane design, and this discussion group. I've just always believed that there is nothing so important, or so sacred, that it can't be made fun of. So carry on, Gary. Let me know when you are going to fly your Corvair powered Pietenpol to Brodhead. Jack Phillips NX899JP "Icarus Plummet" Raleigh, NC -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gboothe5 Sent: Friday, March 18, 2011 8:29 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Corvair Jack, Your self-imposed 30-day moratorium on Corvair bashing appears to be over. You offered this to me as a symbol of your appreciation for receiving some tubing for your RV that I had as extra. You again prove yourself to be an Honorable and Fair Minded Man! (not that that was ever in question) A couple times you have expressed your reasons for dissatisfaction with the Corvair Movement...everyone is entitled to an opinion. Let's assume that Corvair could rise above such prejudice with pure success...just as flying went from 'dare devil' to pure fun. Being fare-minded, if Corvair powered a/c, with 5th bearing, could accumulate 1,000,000 hours free of crank breakage, would you concede that they are a viable engine? I'm hoping you would say, 'Yes', as any other response would be contrary to proven success. The point being, it would be possible to get you, and any other like-minded individual, to change his opinion. Have you ever had the pleasure of attending a William Wynn Corvair College? Or meeting him at events like SNF or Oshkosh? Corvair Colleges are free, two-day events (weekends), held several times per year around the country, with one coming up soon in your neighborhood! Being a Fair Minded Man, would you avail yourself the opportunity to see why the Corvair should not be judged based on misfortunes of a young man's ill-fated date? Just wondering... Gary ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 07:44:19 AM PST US From: Jim Markle Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Corvair - Unsafe at any Altitude >However, expecting me to attend a Corvair College and suddenly become a >convert (what kind of kool-aid do they serve at these functions?) is like >expecting me to attend a RuPaul concert and suddenly come out of the closet >as a homosexual. It's just not very likely. And there's no reason for you to come out of the closet. That should remain a personal issue. ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 08:55:08 AM PST US From: "Jack" Subject: RE: RE: Pietenpol-List: Corvair - Unsafe at any Altitude I knew Karen was a cover! She is too perfect! Jack DSM -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim Markle Sent: Friday, March 18, 2011 9:35 AM Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Corvair - Unsafe at any Altitude >However, expecting me to attend a Corvair College and suddenly become a >convert (what kind of kool-aid do they serve at these functions?) is like >expecting me to attend a RuPaul concert and suddenly come out of the closet >as a homosexual. It's just not very likely. And there's no reason for you to come out of the closet. That should remain a personal issue. ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 09:23:49 AM PST US From: KM Heide CPO/FAAOP Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: I announced a while ago....., Dan Helsper's prop-carving CD still avilable also I have plans to purchase Dan's prop-carving CD and look forward to making a beautiful prop! Wonder if my mighty prop can handle the 6 cylinder torque enhancing power of my dependable corvair engine?.... Of course! Ken H Do not archive... --- On Fri, 3/18/11, Gboothe5 wrote: > From: Gboothe5 > Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: I announced a while ago....., Dan Helsper's prop-carving CD still avilable also > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > Date: Friday, March 18, 2011, 7:57 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ill > attest to that! The CD is well worth it, plus you get > to bother Dan with an incredible number of questions, and > he never complains! My > prop took close to 40 hours (filing Hickory can be > laborious). Since then, the > engine has run (without breaking a crankeven once!), > but it did not have > this prop bolted on. > > > > > Gary > Boothe > > > > > > > From: > owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On > Behalf Of helspersew@aol.com > > Sent: Friday, March 18, 2011 5:15 AM > > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > > Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: I announced a while > ago....., Dan > Helsper's prop-carving CD still avilable > also > > > > > > > > I > need to protect my vast distribution network. And at that > price > it is well worth the money!! > > > > > > > > > > > > > do > not archive > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dan > Helsper > > > > > > Puryear, > TN. > > > > > > > > > -----Original > Message----- > > From: KM Heide CPO/FAAOP > > To: pietenpol-list > > Sent: Thu, Mar 17, 2011 2:11 pm > > Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: I announced a while > ago....., Dan Helsper's > prop-carving CD still avilable also > > --> Pietenpol-List message posted > by: KM Heide CPO/FAAOP > > What? No fellow pieter discount? > > > --- On Wed, 3/16/11, helspersew@aol.com > > wrote: > > From: helspersew@aol.com > > Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: I > announced a while ago....., Dan Helsper's > prop-carving CD still avilable > also> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com> Date: Wednesday, March 16, 2011, > 7:15 PM> > > > > > > And while this thread has some > lift left to it,> I'll unashamedlypile-on > to to do some> self-promotion for myself, so I > can selfishly profit from> the momentum. My instructional > prop-carving> CD is still availablefrom > Aircraft Spruce http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/bvpages/propellercarving.php.> This must be a good, professional > product, otherwise ACS> would not be selling it, > right?> > > > > > > Dan> Helsper> > > Puryear,> TN.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " > target=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-Listp://forums.matronics.comblank>http://www.matronics.com/contribution > > > > > > > > > http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-Listhttp://forums.matronics.comhttp://www.matronics.com/contribution > > > > > ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 09:37:24 AM PST US From: "Gboothe5" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Corvair Here is a reply from William Wynn concerning existing Corvair powered a/c: "The high number that comes to mind is Tom Browns Pietenpol, finished in 1980 that has been flying since without any engine disassembly. It has about 1,450 hours. Part of what is impressive about this is the fact it predates ARP rod bolts, stainless valves, 5th bearings, nitrided cranks and it may very well have cast pistons. The engines output in traditional Bernard Pietenpol form has a power output of 70HP or so. Tom told me that he did not change the points in the distributor for the first 19 years, (although he did clean them up from time to time) Engine built to our current stands are not only more powerful, but they should last at least as long even at higher output per cubic inch. This engine was assembled with care and operated intelligently. The timing was set with a light; it was never allowed to detonate; it has an appropriate prop that doesn't lug the engine. His conversion is a clone of the one Bernard pioneered and debugged. He was not experimenting with new and unknown ideas. All food for thought.." 1450 hours is pretty darn close to 1500. Be prepared to ".consider them a somewhat adequate aircraft engine.". BTW.Jack, this year at Brodhead, you really should ask WW for some cool aid. It's good stuff! Gary -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jack Phillips Sent: Friday, March 18, 2011 7:00 AM Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Corvair - Unsafe at any Altitude Gary, My moratorium on Corvair-Bashing was offered as a tribute to you and your generosity for sending me the tubing (for which I'll happily repay you at Brodhead with the beer and/or single malt scotch of your choice). I do consider myself to be a reasonable man, and I admire people who are willing to reconsider their views periodically, when there appears to be some doubt about their original position (not that this condition applies in this case). If and when Corvairs reach the level of reliability where they can routinely operate for 1500 hours or more without requiring a major overhaul, then I'll consider them a somewhat adequate aircraft engine. However, expecting me to attend a Corvair College and suddenly become a convert (what kind of kool-aid do they serve at these functions?) is like expecting me to attend a RuPaul concert and suddenly come out of the closet as a homosexual. It's just not very likely. If a Corvair College were offered across the street from my house and my grass didn't need mowing, I would probably attend. I have not had the pleasure of meeting William Wynne, although I've seen him and Grace at Brodhead and at Oshkosh. If nothing else, I admire his taste in women. I believe him to truly be an expert on Corvair engines, and think he knows what he's talking about. What amazes me are the people who hear him say "You need to put the 5th bearing in" and choose to ignore this advice. The Corvair controversy will go on forever, just like the douglas fir / sitka spruce discussion, or latex paint or any of a number of discussions. This is one of the beauties of this airplane design, and this discussion group. I've just always believed that there is nothing so important, or so sacred, that it can't be made fun of. So carry on, Gary. Let me know when you are going to fly your Corvair powered Pietenpol to Brodhead. Jack Phillips NX899JP "Icarus Plummet" Raleigh, NC -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gboothe5 Sent: Friday, March 18, 2011 8:29 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Corvair Jack, Your self-imposed 30-day moratorium on Corvair bashing appears to be over. You offered this to me as a symbol of your appreciation for receiving some tubing for your RV that I had as extra. You again prove yourself to be an Honorable and Fair Minded Man! (not that that was ever in question) A couple times you have expressed your reasons for dissatisfaction with the Corvair Movement...everyone is entitled to an opinion. Let's assume that Corvair could rise above such prejudice with pure success...just as flying went from 'dare devil' to pure fun. Being fare-minded, if Corvair powered a/c, with 5th bearing, could accumulate 1,000,000 hours free of crank breakage, would you concede that they are a viable engine? I'm hoping you would say, 'Yes', as any other response would be contrary to proven success. The point being, it would be possible to get you, and any other like-minded individual, to change his opinion. Have you ever had the pleasure of attending a William Wynn Corvair College? Or meeting him at events like SNF or Oshkosh? Corvair Colleges are free, two-day events (weekends), held several times per year around the country, with one coming up soon in your neighborhood! Being a Fair Minded Man, would you avail yourself the opportunity to see why the Corvair should not be judged based on misfortunes of a young man's ill-fated date? Just wondering... Gary ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 09:38:57 AM PST US From: "Jack Phillips" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Corvair - Unsafe at any Altitude Just remember that our beloved and iconic leader, the most Nobel and Revered Bernard H Pietenpol, spent years developing the single seat Sky Scout to be powered by of all things, a Model T engine. I note there are not a lot of Sky Scouts flying today with Model T powerplants. Pietenpol may have been a genius for designing airplanes, but like many geniuses (genii?), he had some decidely peculiar ideas (like making a Corvair engine fly). Remember his first fame came from making the Air Camper fly on automotive power, after a famous aeronautical engineer said it couldn't be done. He may have been trying to regain that glory with the Corvair. Just because BHP did it does not necessarily mean that it was a good idea. Jack Phillips NX899JP "Icarus Plummet" Raleigh, NC _____ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of TOM STINEMETZE Sent: Friday, March 18, 2011 10:23 AM Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Corvair - Unsafe at any Altitude >>> "Jack Phillips" 3/18/2011 9:00 AM >>> I've just always believed that there is nothing so important, or so sacred, that it can't be made fun of. Jack: This is truely an inspired, and inspiring, phylosophy that I can get behind. However, I just can't understand why you would want to be put on record degrading the work of our most beloved and iconic leader - the Most Novel and Revered BHP himself - who did the pioneering work on the Corvair aircraft conversion. I shudder to think of him spinning in his grave with no internet access available to steer you straight. Tom Stinemetze in blessed flat Kansas with emergency landing fields as far as the eye can see do not archive ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 09:50:19 AM PST US From: "TOM STINEMETZE" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Corvair - Unsafe at any Altitude >>> "Jack Phillips" 3/18/2011 10:36 AM >>> Just because BHP did it does not necessarily mean that it was a good idea. OOoooo! Now you've done it! Nobody stand close to Jack for a while. I can feel the electricity gathering. Stinemetze do not archive ________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ Time: 09:54:07 AM PST US From: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC AEROSPACE CORP]" Subject: Pietenpol-List: Great Plains VW conversion Although I flew for four years behind an 1835 cc Great Plains kit engine I was never very comfortable with it turning 3,100 rpm at cruise and knowing that if I got the prop too slow on final (wood core, carbon fiber encapsulated) it didn't have enough inertia to keep the engine running, especially with the high c ompression of that engine so you had to use vigilance in that regard. Still a good e ngine overall (if built up correctly according to the book by Steve Bennett ) but just never felt comfortable in my gut flying behind it. Sure was a blast to fly the Corby Starlet though. Like a little fighter j et with a prop and you couldn't ask for better fuel economy. Premium auto fuel, 120 mph cruise at 3.5 gph. Roundtrip from Cleveland to Chicago was 3 hours each way (6 hours by car) a nd only cost $50 roundtrip at the time. (3 years ago) Mike C. ________________________________ Message 24 ____________________________________ Time: 10:02:50 AM PST US From: "Jack Phillips" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Corvair One squirrel does not a stew make Jack Phillips NX899JP "Icarus Plummet" Raleigh, NC _____ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gboothe5 Sent: Friday, March 18, 2011 12:27 PM Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Corvair Here is a reply from William Wynn concerning existing Corvair powered a/c: "The high number that comes to mind is Tom Browns Pietenpol, finished in 1980 that has been flying since without any engine disassembly. It has about 1,450 hours. Part of what is impressive about this is the fact it predates ARP rod bolts, stainless valves, 5th bearings, nitrided cranks and it may very well have cast pistons. The engines output in traditional Bernard Pietenpol form has a power output of 70HP or so. Tom told me that he did not change the points in the distributor for the first 19 years, (although he did clean them up from time to time) Engine built to our current stands are not only more powerful, but they should last at least as long even at higher output per cubic inch. This engine was assembled with care and operated intelligently. The timing was set with a light; it was never allowed to detonate; it has an appropriate prop that doesn't lug the engine. His conversion is a clone of the one Bernard pioneered and debugged. He was not experimenting with new and unknown ideas. All food for thought.." 1450 hours is pretty darn close to 1500. Be prepared to ".consider them a somewhat adequate aircraft engine.". BTW.Jack, this year at Brodhead, you really should ask WW for some cool aid. It's good stuff! Gary -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jack Phillips Sent: Friday, March 18, 2011 7:00 AM Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Corvair - Unsafe at any Altitude Gary, My moratorium on Corvair-Bashing was offered as a tribute to you and your generosity for sending me the tubing (for which I'll happily repay you at Brodhead with the beer and/or single malt scotch of your choice). I do consider myself to be a reasonable man, and I admire people who are willing to reconsider their views periodically, when there appears to be some doubt about their original position (not that this condition applies in this case). If and when Corvairs reach the level of reliability where they can routinely operate for 1500 hours or more without requiring a major overhaul, then I'll consider them a somewhat adequate aircraft engine. However, expecting me to attend a Corvair College and suddenly become a convert (what kind of kool-aid do they serve at these functions?) is like expecting me to attend a RuPaul concert and suddenly come out of the closet as a homosexual. It's just not very likely. If a Corvair College were offered across the street from my house and my grass didn't need mowing, I would probably attend. I have not had the pleasure of meeting William Wynne, although I've seen him and Grace at Brodhead and at Oshkosh. If nothing else, I admire his taste in women. I believe him to truly be an expert on Corvair engines, and think he knows what he's talking about. What amazes me are the people who hear him say "You need to put the 5th bearing in" and choose to ignore this advice. The Corvair controversy will go on forever, just like the douglas fir / sitka spruce discussion, or latex paint or any of a number of discussions. This is one of the beauties of this airplane design, and this discussion group. I've just always believed that there is nothing so important, or so sacred, that it can't be made fun of. So carry on, Gary. Let me know when you are going to fly your Corvair powered Pietenpol to Brodhead. Jack Phillips NX899JP "Icarus Plummet" Raleigh, NC -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gboothe5 Sent: Friday, March 18, 2011 8:29 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Corvair Jack, Your self-imposed 30-day moratorium on Corvair bashing appears to be over. You offered this to me as a symbol of your appreciation for receiving some tubing for your RV that I had as extra. You again prove yourself to be an Honorable and Fair Minded Man! (not that that was ever in question) A couple times you have expressed your reasons for dissatisfaction with the Corvair Movement...everyone is entitled to an opinion. Let's assume that Corvair could rise above such prejudice with pure success...just as flying went from 'dare devil' to pure fun. Being fare-minded, if Corvair powered a/c, with 5th bearing, could accumulate 1,000,000 hours free of crank breakage, would you concede that they are a viable engine? I'm hoping you would say, 'Yes', as any other response would be contrary to proven success. The point being, it would be possible to get you, and any other like-minded individual, to change his opinion. Have you ever had the pleasure of attending a William Wynn Corvair College? Or meeting him at events like SNF or Oshkosh? Corvair Colleges are free, two-day events (weekends), held several times per year around the country, with one coming up soon in your neighborhood! Being a Fair Minded Man, would you avail yourself the opportunity to see why the Corvair should not be judged based on misfortunes of a young man's ill-fated date? Just wondering... Gary to browse Un/Subscription, Browse, Chat, FAQ, more: http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List Web Forums! http://forums.matronics.com support! http://www.matronics.com/contribution ________________________________ Message 25 ____________________________________ Time: 10:26:45 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Corvair - Unsafe at any Altitude From: "Bill Church" Kind of like that spar splice in the plans... Live and learn. BC Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=334301#334301 ________________________________ Message 26 ____________________________________ Time: 10:39:39 AM PST US From: "Gboothe5" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Corvair I think, during their famous march, Ethan Allen and Benedict Arnold would have been happy with a one-squirrel stew.but that's being argumentative. So..Let us not argue.Let us be fair.How many squirrels does it take to make a stew? 2? 3? 1,000? Gary From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jack Phillips Sent: Friday, March 18, 2011 9:58 AM Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Corvair One squirrel does not a stew make Jack Phillips NX899JP "Icarus Plummet" Raleigh, NC _____ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gboothe5 Sent: Friday, March 18, 2011 12:27 PM Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Corvair Here is a reply from William Wynn concerning existing Corvair powered a/c: "The high number that comes to mind is Tom Browns Pietenpol, finished in 1980 that has been flying since without any engine disassembly. It has about 1,450 hours. Part of what is impressive about this is the fact it predates ARP rod bolts, stainless valves, 5th bearings, nitrided cranks and it may very well have cast pistons. The engines output in traditional Bernard Pietenpol form has a power output of 70HP or so. Tom told me that he did not change the points in the distributor for the first 19 years, (although he did clean them up from time to time) Engine built to our current stands are not only more powerful, but they should last at least as long even at higher output per cubic inch. This engine was assembled with care and operated intelligently. The timing was set with a light; it was never allowed to detonate; it has an appropriate prop that doesn't lug the engine. His conversion is a clone of the one Bernard pioneered and debugged. He was not experimenting with new and unknown ideas. All food for thought.." 1450 hours is pretty darn close to 1500. Be prepared to ".consider them a somewhat adequate aircraft engine.". BTW.Jack, this year at Brodhead, you really should ask WW for some cool aid. It's good stuff! Gary -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jack Phillips Sent: Friday, March 18, 2011 7:00 AM Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Corvair - Unsafe at any Altitude Gary, My moratorium on Corvair-Bashing was offered as a tribute to you and your generosity for sending me the tubing (for which I'll happily repay you at Brodhead with the beer and/or single malt scotch of your choice). I do consider myself to be a reasonable man, and I admire people who are willing to reconsider their views periodically, when there appears to be some doubt about their original position (not that this condition applies in this case). If and when Corvairs reach the level of reliability where they can routinely operate for 1500 hours or more without requiring a major overhaul, then I'll consider them a somewhat adequate aircraft engine. However, expecting me to attend a Corvair College and suddenly become a convert (what kind of kool-aid do they serve at these functions?) is like expecting me to attend a RuPaul concert and suddenly come out of the closet as a homosexual. It's just not very likely. If a Corvair College were offered across the street from my house and my grass didn't need mowing, I would probably attend. I have not had the pleasure of meeting William Wynne, although I've seen him and Grace at Brodhead and at Oshkosh. If nothing else, I admire his taste in women. I believe him to truly be an expert on Corvair engines, and think he knows what he's talking about. What amazes me are the people who hear him say "You need to put the 5th bearing in" and choose to ignore this advice. The Corvair controversy will go on forever, just like the douglas fir / sitka spruce discussion, or latex paint or any of a number of discussions. This is one of the beauties of this airplane design, and this discussion group. I've just always believed that there is nothing so important, or so sacred, that it can't be made fun of. So carry on, Gary. Let me know when you are going to fly your Corvair powered Pietenpol to Brodhead. Jack Phillips NX899JP "Icarus Plummet" Raleigh, NC -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gboothe5 Sent: Friday, March 18, 2011 8:29 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Corvair Jack, Your self-imposed 30-day moratorium on Corvair bashing appears to be over. You offered this to me as a symbol of your appreciation for receiving some tubing for your RV that I had as extra. You again prove yourself to be an Honorable and Fair Minded Man! (not that that was ever in question) A couple times you have expressed your reasons for dissatisfaction with the Corvair Movement...everyone is entitled to an opinion. Let's assume that Corvair could rise above such prejudice with pure success...just as flying went from 'dare devil' to pure fun. Being fare-minded, if Corvair powered a/c, with 5th bearing, could accumulate 1,000,000 hours free of crank breakage, would you concede that they are a viable engine? I'm hoping you would say, 'Yes', as any other response would be contrary to proven success. The point being, it would be possible to get you, and any other like-minded individual, to change his opinion. Have you ever had the pleasure of attending a William Wynn Corvair College? Or meeting him at events like SNF or Oshkosh? Corvair Colleges are free, two-day events (weekends), held several times per year around the country, with one coming up soon in your neighborhood! Being a Fair Minded Man, would you avail yourself the opportunity to see why the Corvair should not be judged based on misfortunes of a young man's ill-fated date? Just wondering... Gary to browse Un/Subscription, Browse, Chat, FAQ, more: http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List Web Forums! http://forums.matronics.com support! http://www.matronics.com/contribution http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List http://forums.matronics.com http://www.matronics.com/contribution ________________________________ Message 27 ____________________________________ Time: 10:46:32 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Corvair From: "K5YAC" gboothe5(at)comcast.net wrote: > So.Let us not argueLet us be fairHow many squirrels does it take to make a stew? 2? 3? 1,000? > > Gary My guess would be... 1500. [Laughing] -------- Mark Chouinard Wings, Center Section and Empannage framed up - Working on Fuselage Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=334304#334304 ________________________________ Message 28 ____________________________________ Time: 10:52:29 AM PST US From: "Jack Phillips" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Corvair Depends on how many are eating the stew, or drinking the Kool-Aid. For myself, if making a stew to serve 4 people, I've always figured on about 4 or 5 squirrels per person. Of course, you can substitute chicken but that defeats the purpose of Squirrel Stew, which is to give you a reason to get rid of squirrels. Jack Phillips NX899JP "Icarus Plummet" Raleigh, NC _____ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gboothe5 Sent: Friday, March 18, 2011 1:32 PM Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Corvair I think, during their famous march, Ethan Allen and Benedict Arnold would have been happy with a one-squirrel stew.but that's being argumentative. So..Let us not argue.Let us be fair.How many squirrels does it take to make a stew? 2? 3? 1,000? Gary From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jack Phillips Sent: Friday, March 18, 2011 9:58 AM Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Corvair One squirrel does not a stew make Jack Phillips NX899JP "Icarus Plummet" Raleigh, NC ________________________________ Message 29 ____________________________________ Time: 11:24:10 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Corvair From: "K5YAC" -------- Mark Chouinard Wings, Center Section and Empannage framed up - Working on Fuselage Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=334307#334307 ________________________________ Message 30 ____________________________________ Time: 11:47:24 AM PST US From: "Jack Phillips" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Corvair Nuthin' there, Mark -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of K5YAC Sent: Friday, March 18, 2011 2:22 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Corvair -------- Mark Chouinard Wings, Center Section and Empannage framed up - Working on Fuselage Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=334307#334307 ________________________________ Message 31 ____________________________________ Time: 12:02:07 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Corvair From: "K5YAC" pietflyr(at)bellsouth.net wrote: > Nuthin' there, Mark Aww crap... you must be using the email list as an email list... ha! I think it shows on the web. -------- Mark Chouinard Wings, Center Section and Empannage framed up - Working on Fuselage Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=334311#334311 ________________________________ Message 32 ____________________________________ Time: 12:25:41 PM PST US From: "Gboothe5" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Corvair I couldn't see it either....thought you were speechless. Gary -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of K5YAC Sent: Friday, March 18, 2011 12:00 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Corvair pietflyr(at)bellsouth.net wrote: > Nuthin' there, Mark Aww crap... you must be using the email list as an email list... ha! I think it shows on the web. -------- Mark Chouinard Wings, Center Section and Empannage framed up - Working on Fuselage Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=334311#334311 ________________________________ Message 33 ____________________________________ Time: 12:29:55 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: carb question From: "Jerry Dotson" Can you rotate the carb 180 degrees? The lever would change sides and reverse operation. -------- Jerry Dotson 59 Daniel Johnson Rd Baker, FL 32531 Started building NX510JD July, 2009 wing, tailfeathers done, fuselage rolling using Lycoming O-235 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=334313#334313 ________________________________ Message 34 ____________________________________ Time: 12:36:34 PM PST US From: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC AEROSPACE CORP]" Subject: Pietenpol-List: Continentals I don't know about other's experiences but in my 13 years of flying behind my zero-timed A-65 Continental I have had to do MANY things to keep it healthy but it has never skipped a beat or even coughed once.... .thank God BUT the bottom line is that over the years I have had to replaced warped exhaust valves, grind out of round exhaust gas valve se ats, replace worn piston rings, and just last year had to hone all four cylinders and replace all of my rings with new Chromoly rings to the t une of $600. (I originally had Chromolly rings during my MOH too). I've had to keep up with making sure the timing is correct and do normal ma intenance like oil and screen changes/ cleanings, replace the foam/oil air filters, repair a cracked exhaust pipe with a new weld, re-torqe the pr op as recommended with the manufacturers recommendations. I have had to remove the prop hub assembly and bead blast it, zinc chromate it, apply Continental Gold to it then clear coat it because it was startin g to rust. All this to say that I only have 500 HOURS on that engine too so unless eve ryone else just has better luck with Continentals that I do, there's no way I could ever imagine any of these little jewels running to 1500 hours witho ut needing some care and attention. That's just my personal experience- your mileage may vary. Mike C. PS-but dollar for dollar I would much rather put my money on a Continental than into a Corvair which from what I'm hearing doesn't save you any real money over a Continental and in some cases costs more to do a top-notch ove rhaul with in the end. ________________________________ Message 35 ____________________________________ Time: 12:45:09 PM PST US From: TGSTONE236@aol.com Subject: Pietenpol-List: stromberg carb THE STROMBERG THROTTLE LEVER ACCORDING TO STROMBERG SITTING IN PLANE IS LOCATED ON THE RIGHT SIDE WHEN THE LEVER IS PUSHED FORWARD IT IS FULL THROTTLE. THAT IS THEIR RECOMMENDATION. TED STONE CORVAIR PIET BUILDER ________________________________ Message 36 ____________________________________ Time: 12:47:11 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Corvair From: "K5YAC" really? Well that is weird... I can see it just fine in the web thread. Nothing important... just the kool-aid guy saying "Oh Yeah!" -------- Mark Chouinard Wings, Center Section and Empannage framed up - Working on Fuselage Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=334317#334317 ________________________________ Message 37 ____________________________________ Time: 12:53:40 PM PST US From: "Gboothe5" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Continentals I've got about $3,000 in mine + another $1,000 for an upcoming 5th bearing. But, aside from the money, can you imagine the sense of excitement I had when my Corvair fired up the first time? 'course, if it quits and drops me into the trees, it's going to take a D9 to pull my foot out of my a__.... Gary From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC AEROSPACE CORP] Sent: Friday, March 18, 2011 12:27 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Continentals I don't know about other's experiences but in my 13 years of flying behind my zero-timed A-65 Continental I have had to do MANY things to keep it healthy but it has never skipped a beat or even coughed once...thank God BUT the bottom line is that over the years I have had to replaced warped exhaust valves, grind out of round exhaust gas valve seats, replace worn piston rings, and just last year had to hone all four cylinders and replace all of my rings with new Chromoly rings to the tune of $600. (I originally had Chromolly rings during my MOH too). I've had to keep up with making sure the timing is correct and do normal maintenance like oil and screen changes/ cleanings, replace the foam/oil air filters, repair a cracked exhaust pipe with a new weld, re-torqe the prop as recommended with the manufacturers recommendations. I have had to remove the prop hub assembly and bead blast it, zinc chromate it, apply Continental Gold to it then clear coat it because it was starting to rust. All this to say that I only have 500 HOURS on that engine too so unless everyone else just has better luck with Continentals that I do, there's no way I could ever imagine any of these little jewels running to 1500 hours without needing some care and attention. That's just my personal experience- your mileage may vary. Mike C. PS-but dollar for dollar I would much rather put my money on a Continental than into a Corvair which from what I'm hearing doesn't save you any real money over a Continental and in some cases costs more to do a top-notch overhaul with in the end. ________________________________ Message 38 ____________________________________ Time: 12:54:53 PM PST US From: "Gboothe5" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Corvair Sorry I missed that! That wasn't the kool-aid guy....that was me. Gary -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of K5YAC Sent: Friday, March 18, 2011 12:45 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Corvair really? Well that is weird... I can see it just fine in the web thread. Nothing important... just the kool-aid guy saying "Oh Yeah!" -------- Mark Chouinard Wings, Center Section and Empannage framed up - Working on Fuselage Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=334317#334317 ________________________________ Message 39 ____________________________________ Time: 12:58:58 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Corvair From: "Bill Church" That IS weird. The image of the Kool-Aid guy came through fine on the Forum. But a couple of days ago, Gary's post about Ivan and the Flitzer List didn't have any image attached, but the message referred to a photo. http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?t229 And Jack's post about What a Day to Fly had a file attached that wouldn't open (winmail.dat), yet Gary was able to view it. http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?t230 ?????? BC Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=334323#334323 ________________________________ Message 40 ____________________________________ Time: 01:05:08 PM PST US From: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC AEROSPACE CORP]" Subject: Pietenpol-List: Jack makes a good point about......... William Wynne's taste in women. And Grace is VERY nice and TAILWHEEL pil ot who owns a Luscombe with a.........CONTINETAL engine in it.....just sayin'. And she does AEROBATICS in it too ! >-----Original Message----- >From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol- >list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gboothe5 >Sent: Friday, March 18, 2011 3:23 PM >To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com >Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Corvair > > >I couldn't see it either....thought you were speechless. > >Gary > >-----Original Message----- >From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com >[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of K5YAC >Sent: Friday, March 18, 2011 12:00 PM >To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com >Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Corvair > > > >pietflyr(at)bellsouth.net wrote: >> Nuthin' there, Mark > > >Aww crap... you must be using the email list as an email list... ha! I >think it shows on the web. > >-------- >Mark Chouinard >Wings, Center Section and Empannage framed up - Working on Fuselage > > >Read this topic online here: > >http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=334311#334311 > > ________________________________ Message 41 ____________________________________ Time: 01:11:43 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Continentals From: "Jerry Dotson" Mike I had about the same experience as you with my Luscombe A-65. I kept a spare cylinder and piston ready to install under my bed! I put 1200 hours on it with several jugs pulled over time. Do you have inter-cylinder baffles on your Piet? -------- Jerry Dotson 59 Daniel Johnson Rd Baker, FL 32531 Started building NX510JD July, 2009 wing, tailfeathers done, fuselage rolling using Lycoming O-235 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=334325#334325 ________________________________ Message 42 ____________________________________ Time: 01:14:31 PM PST US From: "Gboothe5" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Corvair http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NzlG28B-R8Y Gary -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill Church Sent: Friday, March 18, 2011 12:57 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Corvair That IS weird. The image of the Kool-Aid guy came through fine on the Forum. But a couple of days ago, Gary's post about Ivan and the Flitzer List didn't have any image attached, but the message referred to a photo. http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?t229 And Jack's post about What a Day to Fly had a file attached that wouldn't open (winmail.dat), yet Gary was able to view it. http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?t230 ?????? BC Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=334323#334323 ________________________________ Message 43 ____________________________________ Time: 01:20:01 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Corvair From: "K5YAC" Bill Church wrote: > And Jack's post about What a Day to Fly had a file attached that wouldn't open (winmail.dat), yet Gary was able to view it. > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?t230 > Yep, same here... I couldn't see that one either. -------- Mark Chouinard Wings, Center Section and Empannage framed up - Working on Fuselage Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=334328#334328 ________________________________ Message 44 ____________________________________ Time: 01:23:50 PM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: stromberg carb From: Ryan Mueller http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fCVHpnixj88 http://lmgtfy.com/?q=caps+lock+key do not archive On Fri, Mar 18, 2011 at 2:42 PM, wrote: > THE STROMBERG THROTTLE LEVER ACCORDING TO STROMBERG SITTING IN PLANE IS > LOCATED > > ON THE RIGHT SIDE WHEN THE LEVER IS PUSHED FORWARD IT IS FULL THROTTLE. > THAT IS THEIR > > RECOMMENDATION. > > TED STONE > > CORVAIR PIET BUILDER > > > * > > * > > ________________________________ Message 45 ____________________________________ Time: 01:45:33 PM PST US From: "Gboothe5" Subject: Pietenpol-List: Leading Edge Lest anyone think that all I do is defend the Corvair Movement from the Kracken=85 A couple weeks ago I was visiting Chris Tracy and noticed that he had used a half-round bit to rabbit out the back side of his leading edges. He made matching male pieces which he located on the front of the ribs, perfectly locating the leading edges, providing extra glue surface, lightening the piece of wood (Poplar!!), and generally impressing the heck out of me. At the time, I thought that was way too much unnecessary work, but my leading edges went together nicely and I landed on an easy method to do something similar=85 Mine have a square rabbit, 3/8=94 x =BD=94, that has a corresponding locator glued to the ribs. I don=92t know how Chris located his pieces, but mine are done with one long piece, epoxied to all the ribs at once, then cut out one by one with a back saw (that=92s what I have been doing today, in between counter attacks on the Kracken). Oh=85did I say=85my leading edges are Poplar, too=85 Gary Boothe Go Corvair ________________________________ Message 46 ____________________________________ Time: 01:47:47 PM PST US From: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC AEROSPACE CORP]" Subject: Pietenpol-List: These here fellers were breaking in this straight six for use...... In a Pietenpol ! Glad they ground ran it first. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j5fFh31Ejmk&feature=related Bubba and Hank were pushing that baby pretty hard. :) KIDDING ! Do not archive Mike C. ________________________________ Message 47 ____________________________________ Time: 01:58:54 PM PST US From: Darrel Jones Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Jack makes a good point about......... I thought Grace had a Taylorcraft. Darrel Jones On 3/18/2011 1:02 PM, Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC AEROSPACE CORP] wrote: > William Wynne's taste in women. And Grace is VERY nice and > TAILWHEEL pilot who owns a Luscombe with a.........CONTINETAL engine > in it.....just sayin'. And she does AEROBATICS in it too ! > >-----Original Message----- > >From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol- > >list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gboothe5 > >Sent: Friday, March 18, 2011 3:23 PM > >To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > >Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Corvair > > > > > >I couldn't see it either....thought you were speechless. > > > >Gary > > > >-----Original Message----- > >From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com > >[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of K5YAC > >Sent: Friday, March 18, 2011 12:00 PM > >To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > >Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Corvair > > > > > > > >pietflyr(at)bellsouth.net wrote: > >> Nuthin' there, Mark > > > > > >Aww crap... you must be using the email list as an email list... ha! I > >think it shows on the web. > > > >-------- > >Mark Chouinard > >Wings, Center Section and Empannage framed up - Working on Fuselage > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Read this topic online here: > > > >http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=334311#334311 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ============== Pietenpol-List Email Forum - > > ator?Pietenpol-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List > ============== nbsp; - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS - > ttp://forums.matronics.com ============== nbsp; - List Contribution > Web Site - nbsp; -Matt Dralle, List Admin. > ibution">http://www.matronics.com/contribution ============= > > > > ________________________________ Message 48 ____________________________________ Time: 01:59:09 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Leading Edge From: "Billy McCaskill" Nicely done, Gary! I like how it positively locates the leading edge material, and looks like it's fairly easy to do. -------- Billy McCaskill Urbana, IL tail section almost done, starting on ribs soon Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=334333#334333 ________________________________ Message 49 ____________________________________ Time: 02:03:38 PM PST US From: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC AEROSPACE CORP]" Subject: Pietenpol-List: why Pietenpol used auto engines Bernard used auto engines because he was a Ford Auto Mechanic at the time h e was developing the Pietenpol Scout and Aircamper and he could get the eng ines cheaply if not for free. It was cost that drove Pietenpol to use au to engines and replacement parts were readily available and cheap during th e Great Depression. Also because Bernard was very frugal. Same reasons he used the Corvair. It was cheap. Simple as that. And don't even get me started on Rotax engines. They are not only VERY ex pensive but the TBO isn't very good either and to overhaul them is pricey. [cid:image001.png@01CBE58E.0E156130] [cid:image002.png@01CBE58E.0E156130] ________________________________ Message 50 ____________________________________ Time: 02:15:01 PM PST US From: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC AEROSPACE CORP]" Subject: Pietenpol-List: Grace I think you're right---- she has/ or had a Taylorcraft....which also sports a Continental :) ________________________________ Message 51 ____________________________________ Time: 02:24:57 PM PST US From: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC AEROSPACE CORP]" Subject: Pietenpol-List: and as long as we are talking money This whole new line of Sport Pilot LSA airplanes intended to make Sport Pil ot flying more affordable is the BIGGEST crock of horse crap that ever hit the aviation world. Only the RICH can afford these things and Cessn a can't even seem to keep their new version of the 150, The Skycatcher in the air. You can have one for only $112,250. And for the price of that 81 hp Rotax engine ($19,470) you could just add a nother $7,000 and buy this FOUR SEAT Cherokee that I IFR Certified with a 150 hp aircraft engine in it with intercom, no damage history and so me nice looking wheel pants. No wonder people are building Pietenpols. Viva La Pietenpol Air Camper ! Mike C. And heck, you can even buy a decent Cessna 150 for about $15,000 out there with an 0-200 engine. ________________________________ Message 52 ____________________________________ Time: 02:59:45 PM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Jack makes a good point about......... From: Ryan Mueller You are correct.... do not archive On Fri, Mar 18, 2011 at 3:55 PM, Darrel Jones wrote: > I thought Grace had a Taylorcraft. > > Darrel Jones > > > On 3/18/2011 1:02 PM, Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC AEROSPACE CORP] > wrote: > > William Wynne=92s taste in women. And Grace is VERY nice and TAILWHEE L > pilot who owns a Luscombe with a=85=85=85CONTINETAL engine > in it=85..just sayin=92. And she does AEROBATICS in it too ! > > > >-----Original Message----- > >From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol- > >list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gboothe5 > >Sent: Friday, March 18, 2011 3:23 PM > >To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > >Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Corvair > > gboothe5@comcast.net> > > > >I couldn't see it either....thought you were speechless. > > > >Gary > > > >-----Original Message----- > >From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com > >[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] > On Behalf Of K5YAC > >Sent: Friday, March 18, 2011 12:00 PM > >To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > >Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Corvair > > 0@cox.net> > > > > > >pietflyr(at)bellsouth.net wrote: > >> Nuthin' there, Mark > > > > > >Aww crap... you must be using the email list as an email list... ha! I > >think it shows on the web. > > > >-------- > >Mark Chouinard > >Wings, Center Section and Empannage framed up - Working on Fuselage > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Read this topic online here: > > > >http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=334311#334311 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ============== Pietenpol-List Email Forum - > ator?Pietenpol-List"> > http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List ======= ======= nbsp; > - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS - ttp://forums.matronics.com ======= ======= nbsp; > - List Contribution Web Site - nbsp; -Matt Dralle, List > Admin. ibution">http://www.matronics.com/contribution ====== ======= > > > > > > > * > =========== =========== =========== =========== > * > > ________________________________ Message 53 ____________________________________ Time: 03:41:03 PM PST US From: "Charles Campbell" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: carb question I really don't know whether this would even be possible, but how about just turning the carb around 180 degrees -- that would make the throttle lever move to low power when you pull the lever back and to high power with the lever pushed forward. Would that work? ----- Original Message ----- From: "TriScout" Sent: Friday, March 18, 2011 9:39 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: carb question > > Before I take carb off of engine,..I have an A65-8 w/Stromberg carb. I ran > the engine yesterday (runs good), but the throttle cable works backward. > Is there a way to rig the valve in said carb to work in the opposite > direction?... my other option would be to tear fabric off side of aircraft > in order to put a different throttle cable in...hate to do that. thx in > advance.. > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=334273#334273 > > > ________________________________ Message 54 ____________________________________ Time: 03:59:38 PM PST US From: "Charles Campbell" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Jack makes a good point about......... I believe you'll find that Grace has a Taylorcraft. ----- Original Message ----- From: Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC AEROSPACE CORP] To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Friday, March 18, 2011 4:02 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Jack makes a good point about......... William Wynne's taste in women. And Grace is VERY nice and TAILWHEEL pilot who owns a Luscombe with a...CONTINETAL engine in it...just sayin'. And she does AEROBATICS in it too ! >-----Original Message----- >From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol- >list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gboothe5 >Sent: Friday, March 18, 2011 3:23 PM >To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com >Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Corvair > > >I couldn't see it either....thought you were speechless. > >Gary > >-----Original Message----- >From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com >[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of K5YAC >Sent: Friday, March 18, 2011 12:00 PM >To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com >Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Corvair > > > >pietflyr(at)bellsouth.net wrote: >> Nuthin' there, Mark > > >Aww crap... you must be using the email list as an email list... ha! I >think it shows on the web. > >-------- >Mark Chouinard >Wings, Center Section and Empannage framed up - Working on Fuselage > > > > > > >Read this topic online here: > >http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=334311#334311 > > > > > > > > > > > ============= Pietenpol-List Email Forum - > ator?Pietenpol-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List ============= nbsp; - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS - ttp://forums.matronics.com ============= nbsp; - List Contribution Web Site - nbsp; -Matt Dralle, List Admin. ibution">http://www.matronics.com/contribution ============= > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- ________________________________ Message 55 ____________________________________ Time: 04:51:23 PM PST US From: "Gboothe5" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: These here fellers were breaking in this straight six for use...... That's my favorite song, too! Gary Do not archive From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC AEROSPACE CORP] Sent: Friday, March 18, 2011 1:45 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: These here fellers were breaking in this straight six for use...... In a Pietenpol ! Glad they ground ran it first. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j5fFh31Ejmk &feature=related Bubba and Hank were pushing that baby pretty hard. J KIDDING ! Do not archive Mike C. ________________________________ Message 56 ____________________________________ Time: 04:57:23 PM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: I announced a while ago....., Dan Helsper's prop-carving CD still avilable also From: Rick Holland As Jack would say, "It'll handle it till the crank breaks" On Fri, Mar 18, 2011 at 10:12 AM, KM Heide CPO/FAAOP wrote: > kmheidecpo@yahoo.com> > > I have plans to purchase Dan's prop-carving CD and look forward to making a > beautiful prop! Wonder if my mighty prop can handle the 6 cylinder torque > enhancing power of my dependable corvair engine?.... Of course! > > Ken H > > Do not archive... > > > --- On Fri, 3/18/11, Gboothe5 wrote: > > > From: Gboothe5 > > Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: I announced a while ago....., Dan > Helsper's prop-carving CD still avilable also > > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > > Date: Friday, March 18, 2011, 7:57 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I=92ll > > attest to that! The CD is well worth it, plus you get > > to bother Dan with an incredible number of questions, and > > he never complains! My > > prop took close to 40 hours (filing Hickory can be > > laborious). Since then, the > > engine has run (without breaking a crank=85even once!), > > but it did not have > > this prop bolted on. > > > > > > > > > > Gary > > Boothe > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From: > > owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com > > [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On > > Behalf Of helspersew@aol.com > > > > Sent: Friday, March 18, 2011 5:15 AM > > > > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > > > > Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: I announced a while > > ago....., Dan > > Helsper's prop-carving CD still avilable > > also > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I > > need to protect my vast distribution network. And at that > > price > > it is well worth the money!! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > do > > not archive > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dan > > Helsper > > > > > > > > > > > > Puryear, > > TN. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original > > Message----- > > > > From: KM Heide CPO/FAAOP > > > > To: pietenpol-list > > > > Sent: Thu, Mar 17, 2011 2:11 pm > > > > Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: I announced a while > > ago....., Dan Helsper's > > prop-carving CD still avilable also > > > > --> Pietenpol-List message posted > > by: KM Heide CPO/FAAOP > > > > What? No fellow pieter discount? > > > > > > --- On Wed, 3/16/11, helspersew@aol.com > > > > wrote: > > > From: helspersew@aol.com > > > Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: I > > announced a while ago....., Dan Helsper's > > prop-carving CD still avilable > > also> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com> Date: Wednesday, March 16, 2011 , > > 7:15 PM> > > > > > > And while this thread has some > > lift left to it,> I'll unashamedly pile-on > > to to do some> self-promotion for myself, so I > > can selfishly profit from> the momentum. My instructional > > prop-carving> CD is still available from > > Aircraft Spruce > http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/bvpages/propellercarving.php.> This > must be a good, professional > > product, otherwise ACS> would not be selling it, > > right?> > > > > > > Dan> Helsper> > > Puryear,> TN.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " > > target=_blank> > http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-Listp://forums.matronics.com blank > >http://www.matronics.com/contribution > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-Listhttp://forums.matronics. comhttp://www.matronics.com/contribution > > > > > > > > > > > > =========== =========== =========== =========== > > -- Rick Holland Castle Rock, Colorado "A Foolish Consistency is the Hobgoblin of Little Minds" ________________________________ Message 57 ____________________________________ Time: 05:06:44 PM PST US From: Doug Dever Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Corvair - Unsafe at any Altitude Lets not forget that the Ford is the only automotive powerplant that was FA A (CAA) Certificated in a production airplane. I'm just sayin'. Doug Dever In beautiful Stow Ohio From: pietflyr@bellsouth.net Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Corvair - Unsafe at any Altitude Just remember that our beloved and iconic leader=2C the most Nobel and Reve red Bernard H Pietenpol=2C spent years developing the single seat Sky Scout to be powered by of all things=2C a Model T engine. I note there are not a lot of Sky Scouts flying today with Model T powerplants. Pietenpol may have been a genius for designing airplanes=2C but like many g eniuses (genii?)=2C he had some decidely peculiar ideas (like making a Corv air engine fly). Remember his first fame came from making the Air Camper f ly on automotive power=2C after a famous aeronautical engineer said it coul dn=92t be done. He may have been trying to regain that glory with the Corv air. Just because BHP did it does not necessarily mean that it was a good idea. Jack Phillips NX899JP =93Icarus Plummet=94 Raleigh=2C NC From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-lis t-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of TOM STINEMETZE Sent: Friday=2C March 18=2C 2011 10:23 AM Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Corvair - Unsafe at any Altitude >>> "Jack Phillips" 3/18/2011 9:00 AM >>> I've just always believed that there is nothing so important=2C or so sacre d=2C that it can't be made fun of. Jack: This is truely an inspired=2C and inspiring=2C phylosophy that I can get be hind. However=2C I just can't understand why you would want to be put on record d egrading the work of our most beloved and iconic leader - the Most Novel an d Revered BHP himself - who did the pioneering work on the Corvair aircraft conversion. I shudder to think of him spinning in his grave with no inter net access available to steer you straight. Tom Stinemetze in blessed flat Kansas with emergency landing fields as far as the eye can see do not archive http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-Listhttp://for ums.matronics.comhttp://www.matronics.com/contribution ________________________________ Message 58 ____________________________________ Time: 05:44:42 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Project for sale From: "olflyr45" Pietenpol fully assembled and has been flying. For sale less firewall forward. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=334363#334363 ________________________________ Message 59 ____________________________________ Time: 06:06:29 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Project for sale From: "Chad Hill" How much and do you have photos? Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=334364#334364 ________________________________ Message 60 ____________________________________ Time: 06:09:46 PM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Corvair - Unsafe at any Altitude From: Ryan Mueller Well, almost.....I'm just sayin'... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thielert_Centurion On Fri, Mar 18, 2011 at 7:04 PM, Doug Dever wr ote: > Lets not forget that the Ford is the only automotive powerplant that was > FAA (CAA) Certificated in a production airplane. I'm just sayin'. > > Doug Dever > In beautiful Stow Ohio > > > ------------------------------ > From: pietflyr@bellsouth.net > > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Corvair - Unsafe at any Altitude > Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2011 11:36:03 -0400 > > Just remember that our beloved and iconic leader, the most Nobel and > Revered Bernard H Pietenpol, spent years developing the single seat Sky > Scout to be powered by of all things, a Model T engine. I note there are > not a lot of Sky Scouts flying today with Model T powerplants. > > Pietenpol may have been a genius for designing airplanes, but like many > geniuses (genii?), he had some decidely peculiar ideas (like making a > Corvair engine fly). Remember his first fame came from making the Air > Camper fly on automotive power, after a famous aeronautical engineer said it > couldn=92t be done. He may have been trying to regain that glory with th e > Corvair. Just because BHP did it does not necessarily mean that it was a > good idea. > > Jack Phillips > > NX899JP =93Icarus Plummet=94 > > Raleigh, NC > > > ------------------------------ > > *From:* owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto: > owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *TOM STINEMETZE > *Sent:* Friday, March 18, 2011 10:23 AM > *To:* pietenpol-list@matronics.com > *Subject:* RE: Pietenpol-List: Corvair - Unsafe at any Altitude > > > >>> "Jack Phillips" 3/18/2011 9:00 AM >>> > I've just always believed that there is nothing so important, or so sacre d, > that it can't be made fun of. > > > *Jack:* > > > *This is truely an inspired, and inspiring, phylosophy that I can get > behind. * > > *However, I just can't understand why you would want to be put on record > degrading the work of our most beloved and iconic leader - the Most Novel > and Revered BHP himself - who did the pioneering work on the Corvair > aircraft conversion. I shudder to think of him spinning in his grave wit h > no internet access available to steer you straight.* > > > *Tom Stinemetze* > > *in blessed flat Kansas with emergency landing fields as far as the eye > can see* > > > *do not archive* > > * * > > * * > > ** > > ** > > ** > > *http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List* > > ** > > ** > > *http://forums.matronics.com* > > ** > > ** > > *http://www.matronics.com/contribution* > > * * > > * > > st" target=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List > ttp://forums.matronics.com > =_blank>http://www.matronics.com/contribution > * > > * > =========== =========== =========== =========== > * > > ________________________________ Message 61 ____________________________________ Time: 06:40:45 PM PST US From: airlion Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Continentals Jerry, my corvair has baffles between the cylinders. Are you going to sun n fun? Gardiner ----- Original Message ---- From: Jerry Dotson Sent: Fri, March 18, 2011 4:09:32 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Continentals Mike I had about the same experience as you with my Luscombe A-65. I kept a spare cylinder and piston ready to install under my bed! I put 1200 hours on it with several jugs pulled over time. Do you have inter-cylinder baffles on your Piet? -------- Jerry Dotson 59 Daniel Johnson Rd Baker, FL 32531 Started building NX510JD July, 2009 wing, tailfeathers done, fuselage rolling using Lycoming O-235 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=334325#334325 ________________________________ Message 62 ____________________________________ Time: 06:54:15 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Continentals From: "Jerry Dotson" Gardiner I would love to go. I have been having health problems(heart) and I am going to stay close to home for a while. I sure would like to see your Piet again. Maybe Evergreen??? -------- Jerry Dotson 59 Daniel Johnson Rd Baker, FL 32531 Started building NX510JD July, 2009 wing, tailfeathers done, fuselage rolling using Lycoming O-235 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=334372#334372 ________________________________ Message 63 ____________________________________ Time: 07:01:01 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: carb question From: "TriScout" I think I have a fix. The previous owner said to loosen screw on throttle arm (at carb), pop it off and position it on top, then twist or bend as needed. I did just that and it seems to work just fine...same travel each direction. Who would've thought it was that simple. Thanks for your inputs. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=334373#334373 ________________________________ Message 64 ____________________________________ Time: 07:16:47 PM PST US From: airlion Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Continentals Sorry to hear about your problem Jerry. What kind of strip do you have in Baker Fl? I may decide to stop over on my way back. Gardiner ----- Original Message ---- From: Jerry Dotson Sent: Fri, March 18, 2011 9:52:01 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Continentals Gardiner I would love to go. I have been having health problems(heart) and I am going to stay close to home for a while. I sure would like to see your Piet again. Maybe Evergreen??? -------- Jerry Dotson 59 Daniel Johnson Rd Baker, FL 32531 Started building NX510JD July, 2009 wing, tailfeathers done, fuselage rolling using Lycoming O-235 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=334372#334372 ________________________________ Message 65 ____________________________________ Time: 07:21:55 PM PST US From: "Greg Cardinal" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: ETHENOL IN NC Another good resource is Street Rod Association. The Minnesota Street Rod Association publishes a good list of gas stations that sell non-oxygenated fuel. http://www.msra.com/NonOxygenatedFuel/NonOxyMarch2011.pdf Greg Cardinal ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Church" Sent: Thursday, March 17, 2011 4:56 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: ETHENOL IN NC > > > Here's a handy website that lists gas stations that DO NOT have ethanol > mixed with their gas. > http://pure-gas.org/ > The lists are updated by the users. If you know of a station that offers > ethanol-free gas, you can add it to the list. Conversely, if you know of a > station that no longer offers ethanol-free gas, you can take them off the > list. Just click on the state or province you want to know about, and get > a list of stations that serve ethanol-free gas. > I just checked for NC, since that state was specifically mentioned, and > Wilmington has 4 stations listed, and Winston-Salem only has 2. > NC is one of the many states that DO NOT require the pumps to be labeled > if ethanol is added to the gas, according to this website: > http://www.fuel-testers.com/state_guide_ethanol_laws.html > > Bill C. > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=334221#334221 > > > ________________________________ Message 66 ____________________________________ Time: 08:37:46 PM PST US From: jorge lizarraga Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: and as long as we are talking money2 like allways=C2- your all right mike tanks good we have pietenpol and yes viva los pietenpol paraciempre seyou jorge from hanford --- On Fri, 3/18/11, Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC AEROSPACE CORP] wrote: From: Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC AEROSPACE CORP] Subject: Pietenpol-List: and as long as we are talking money This whole new line of Sport Pilot LSA airplanes intended to make Sport Pil ot flying more affordable is the BIGGEST crock of horse crap that ever hit the aviation world.=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2- Only the RICH can afford th ese things and Cessna can=99t even seem to keep their new version of the 150, The Skycatcher in the air.=C2-=C2-=C2- You can have one for only $112,250. =C2- And for the price of that 81 hp Rotax engine ($19,470) you could just add a nother $7,000 and buy this FOUR SEAT Cherokee that I IFR Certified with a 150 hp aircraft engine in it with intercom, no damage history and so me nice looking wheel pants. =C2- No wonder people are building Pietenpols.=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2- Viva La P ietenpol Air Camper ! =C2- Mike C. =C2- And heck, you can even buy a decent Cessna 150 for about $15,000 out there with an 0-200 engine.=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2-=0A=0A=0A ________________________________ Message 67 ____________________________________ Time: 09:04:28 PM PST US From: "Gboothe5" Subject: Pietenpol-List: Gascolator Can someone tell me how these get mounted? Gary Boothe ________________________________ Message 68 ____________________________________ Time: 09:04:32 PM PST US From: John Hofmann Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Corvair - Unsafe at any Altitude Not to mention this one. http://www.mooneypfm.com/ do not archive John Hofmann Vice-President, Information Technology The Rees Group, Inc. 2424 American Lane Madison, WI 53704 Phone: 608.443.2468 ext 150 Fax: 608.443.2474 Email: jhofmann@reesgroupinc.com On Mar 18, 2011, at 8:00 PM, Ryan Mueller wrote: > Well, almost.....I'm just sayin'... > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thielert_Centurion > > On Fri, Mar 18, 2011 at 7:04 PM, Doug Dever wrote: > Lets not forget that the Ford is the only automotive powerplant that was FAA (CAA) Certificated in a production airplane. I'm just sayin'. > > Doug Dever > In beautiful Stow Ohio > > > > > From: pietflyr@bellsouth.net > > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Corvair - Unsafe at any Altitude > Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2011 11:36:03 -0400 > > Just remember that our beloved and iconic leader, the most Nobel and Revered Bernard H Pietenpol, spent years developing the single seat Sky Scout to be powered by of all things, a Model T engine. I note there are not a lot of Sky Scouts flying today with Model T powerplants. > > Pietenpol may have been a genius for designing airplanes, but like many geniuses (genii?), he had some decidely peculiar ideas (like making a Corvair engine fly). Remember his first fame came from making the Air Camper fly on automotive power, after a famous aeronautical engineer said it couldn=92t be done. He may have been trying to regain that glory with the Corvair. Just because BHP did it does not necessarily mean that it was a good idea. > > Jack Phillips > > NX899JP =93Icarus Plummet=94 > > Raleigh, NC > > > > > From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of TOM STINEMETZE > Sent: Friday, March 18, 2011 10:23 AM > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Corvair - Unsafe at any Altitude > > >>> "Jack Phillips" 3/18/2011 9:00 AM >>> > I've just always believed that there is nothing so important, or so sacred, > that it can't be made fun of. > > Jack: > > This is truely an inspired, and inspiring, phylosophy that I can get behind. > However, I just can't understand why you would want to be put on record degrading the work of our most beloved and iconic leader - the Most Novel and Revered BHP himself - who did the pioneering work on the Corvair aircraft conversion. I shudder to think of him spinning in his grave with no internet access available to steer you straight. > > Tom Stinemetze > in blessed flat Kansas with emergency landing fields as far as the eye can see > > do not archive > > > http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List > http://forums.matronics.com > http://www.matronics.com/contribution > > > > st" target=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List > ttp://forums.matronics.com > =_blank>http://www.matronics.com/contribution > > > > " target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List > tp://forums.matronics.com > _blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution > > > > > ________________________________ Message 69 ____________________________________ Time: 10:40:50 PM PST US From: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC AEROSPACE CORP]" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: and as long as we are talking money2 So GOOD to see you back on the Pietenpol list Jorge ! I missed seeing your posts. You are so right------we have a great group of guys both building, flying, and passionate about Pietenpols. Viva La Pietenpol ! Mike C. don't disconcert the masses son.... ________________________________ Message 70 ____________________________________ Time: 11:11:14 PM PST US From: "Clif Dawson" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Gascolator You make your own U bracket that has holes in the arms that the pipe fittings go through. Clif Can someone tell me how these get mounted? 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