---------------------------------------------------------- Pietenpol-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Sat 03/19/11: 26 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 02:05 AM - Re: Gascolator (carson) 2. 04:40 AM - Re: Gascolator (helspersew@aol.com) 3. 06:37 AM - Re: Re: Gascolator (Gboothe5) 4. 07:14 AM - Interesting Plan Differences (Jack) 5. 07:14 AM - Re: Continentals (Jerry Dotson) 6. 07:59 AM - Re: Re: Continentals (Gboothe5) 7. 08:54 AM - Re: Corvair - Unsafe at any Altitude (GliderMike) 8. 09:27 AM - Rudder Bar Post (Jack) 9. 10:01 AM - Re: Rudder Bar Post (Chris) 10. 10:06 AM - Re: Stromberg Carb (Piet2112) 11. 10:23 AM - Re: Gascolator (Darrel Jones) 12. 10:23 AM - Re: Gascolator (Darrel Jones) 13. 10:54 AM - Gremlins (Gboothe5) 14. 11:12 AM - Re: Gremlins (Ken Bickers) 15. 12:26 PM - Re: Gremlins (Gboothe5) 16. 12:33 PM - Re: Gremlins (Jack Phillips) 17. 01:25 PM - Re: Gremlins (Gboothe5) 18. 02:10 PM - Re: Gremlins (Rick Holland) 19. 02:13 PM - Re: Gremlins (Charles Campbell) 20. 02:33 PM - Re: Gremlins (Charles Campbell) 21. 02:40 PM - Re: Leading Edge (Charles Campbell) 22. 02:50 PM - Re: Leading Edge (gboothe5@comcast.net) 23. 03:05 PM - Re: Leading Edge (Jack Phillips) 24. 05:26 PM - Re: Re: Rudder Bar Post (Jack) 25. 08:45 PM - Re: Unsafe at any Altitude (kevinpurtee) 26. 09:09 PM - Corvair Oil Filler Location (kevinpurtee) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 02:05:05 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Gascolator From: "carson" Or you could buy the one for it Carson Description Part No. Price Buy GASCOLATOR BRACKET 10371 10371 $17.90 ($18.06AUD) http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/graphics/10371.jpg Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=334393#334393 ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 04:40:30 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Gascolator From: helspersew@aol.com Gary, If this is an ACS model, they sell a nifty stainless steel bracket for it. I used theirs and it works great. Dan Helsper Puryear, TN. -----Original Message----- From: Gboothe5 Sent: Fri, Mar 18, 2011 11:04 pm Subject: Pietenpol-List: Gascolator Can someone tell me how these get mounted? Gary Boothe ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 06:37:23 AM PST US From: "Gboothe5" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Gascolator Clif, Carson, Dan....Thanks! Gary Do not archive -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of carson Sent: Saturday, March 19, 2011 2:02 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Gascolator Or you could buy the one for it Carson Description Part No. Price Buy GASCOLATOR BRACKET 10371 10371 $17.90 ($18.06AUD) http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/graphics/10371.jpg Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=334393#334393 ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 07:14:36 AM PST US From: "Jack" Subject: Pietenpol-List: Interesting Plan Differences While fabricating my rudder bar (4130) and rudder bar post I noticed some differences between the 34 Hoopman plans and the 32 Flying and Glider plans. Specifically on page 27 drawing of the ship's control systems; no aileron control horn, 3/4 connecting bar for the sticks instead of 1/2, rudder pedals mounted to the firewall and no safety strap over the torque tube to name a few. I'm sticking with the Hoopman plans mostly. Jack DSM ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 07:14:50 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Continentals From: "Jerry Dotson" Gardner, I have 1280 feet X 40 feet wide. The house faces South. There are power lines across the road on the South end. Look close and you can see my Piet in the hangar. 30.8754n86.7836w -------- Jerry Dotson 59 Daniel Johnson Rd Baker, FL 32531 Started building NX510JD July, 2009 wing, tailfeathers done, fuselage rolling using Lycoming O-235 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=334406#334406 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/home_runway_233.jpg ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 07:59:37 AM PST US From: "Gboothe5" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Continentals NICE! Do not archive -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jerry Dotson Sent: Saturday, March 19, 2011 7:13 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Continentals Gardner, I have 1280 feet X 40 feet wide. The house faces South. There are power lines across the road on the South end. Look close and you can see my Piet in the hangar. 30.8754n86.7836w -------- Jerry Dotson 59 Daniel Johnson Rd Baker, FL 32531 Started building NX510JD July, 2009 wing, tailfeathers done, fuselage rolling using Lycoming O-235 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=334406#334406 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/home_runway_233.jpg ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 08:54:36 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Corvair - Unsafe at any Altitude From: "GliderMike" The thing I personally like about most aircraft engines is the head is attached to the cylinders, and the cylinders are attached to the engine case, same as with Genuine Hardley Ferguson Motor Scooters. You can blow the head off a cylinder, and not be as likely to have a piston or piston rod banging around against the case, shredding metal into the bottom end of the other connecting rods as it would be when the head bolts are what hold the cylinders onto the case. The other thing is the bearings between the engine case and the crankshaft, next to the prop hub, are large enough to cut down on the crank flexing, which is what can cause the crank to break. Using the 5th bearing on a Corvair conversion, or going with a re-drive unit, decreases my 2nd objection, but I don't care for the head bolts being what hold the cylinders to the cases. My 2 cents worth. do not archive -------- HOMEBUILDER Will WORK for Spruce Long flights, smooth air, and soft landings, GliderMike, aka Mike Glasgow Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=334416#334416 ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 09:27:03 AM PST US From: "Jack" Subject: Pietenpol-List: Rudder Bar Post Did most everyone mount as per plans? With the long fuselage, did you mount per short fuselage plans? Did anyone adjust fore and aft slightly for correct fit? The two different plans call for the centerline of the bar to be between 3" and 3-1/2" above the floorboard. Anyone remember their mounting height? Higher better? Any input is appreciated! Thanks, Jack DSM ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 10:01:07 AM PST US From: "Chris" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Rudder Bar Post Jack You can not raise the rudder bar much higher because it will interfere with the bar connecting the control sticks. I moved mine fore and aft a bit for better fit for me. Then I took it out and put in rudder pedals for a better fit. Now I am considering the bar again. As for you other post, follow the 1934 plans. The F&G plans will work but the the 1934 plans are for the "Improved Air Camper". I figure its just part of the improvements and he must of had some good reason to change. Chris Sacramento, Ca Westcoastpiet.com _____ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jack Sent: Saturday, March 19, 2011 9:25 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Rudder Bar Post Did most everyone mount as per plans? With the long fuselage, did you mount per short fuselage plans? Did anyone adjust fore and aft slightly for correct fit? The two different plans call for the centerline of the bar to be between 3" and 3-1/2" above the floorboard. Anyone remember their mounting height? Higher better? Any input is appreciated! Thanks, Jack DSM ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 10:06:45 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Stromberg Carb From: "Piet2112" Thanks Bill for the link. I haven't broken the carb down to check the jet or venturi size, but this particular one does have the mixture control like the NA-S3A1 has. I do like the simplicity of the Aeroinjector and the fact that it's cheaper than overhauling what I have. Once I disassemble the carb to inspect all the parts to see if and what is serviceable, I'll decide if I'll use the Stromberg or an alternate. Curt Merdan Flower Mound, TX Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=334422#334422 ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 10:23:31 AM PST US From: Darrel Jones Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Gascolator On 3/18/2011 9:00 PM, Gboothe5 wrote: > > Can someone tell me how these get mounted? > > Gary Boothe > Boy, I should have waited until someone who knew answered first. Darrel ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 10:23:40 AM PST US From: Darrel Jones Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Gascolator On 3/18/2011 9:00 PM, Gboothe5 wrote: > > Can someone tell me how these get mounted? > > Gary Boothe > Gary, Probably to a bulkhead fitting through the firewall below the level of the carburetor. Take a look at AC 43.13 or Tony Bingillis's books. If you don't have them let me know and I'll take a run out to the hangar and look. Darrel ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 10:54:19 AM PST US From: "Gboothe5" Subject: Pietenpol-List: Gremlins This morning I found gremlins in my Pietenpol shop, making swords out of the cutoff ends of my spars. Gary Do not archive (barely Piet related) ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 11:12:56 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Gremlins From: Ken Bickers ... preparing for battle with the forces of anti-corvairism. Do not archive On Sat, Mar 19, 2011 at 11:51 AM, Gboothe5 wrote: > This morning I found gremlins in my Pietenpol shop, making swords out of the > cutoff ends of my spars > > > Gary > > Do not archive (barely Piet related) ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 12:26:50 PM PST US From: "Gboothe5" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Gremlins Ha-ha! Yeah, he said it's to do battle with the Kracken! Gary Do not archive -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ken Bickers Sent: Saturday, March 19, 2011 11:10 AM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Gremlins ... preparing for battle with the forces of anti-corvairism. Do not archive On Sat, Mar 19, 2011 at 11:51 AM, Gboothe5 wrote: > This morning I found gremlins in my Pietenpol shop, making swords out of the > cutoff ends of my spars. > > > Gary > > Do not archive (barely Piet related) ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 12:33:56 PM PST US From: "Jack Phillips" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Gremlins Good thing they weren't making snowshoes out of your ribs. Jack Phillips NX899JP "Icarus Plummet" Raleigh, NC _____ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gboothe5 Sent: Saturday, March 19, 2011 1:51 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Gremlins This morning I found gremlins in my Pietenpol shop, making swords out of the cutoff ends of my spars. Gary Do not archive (barely Piet related) ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 01:25:05 PM PST US From: "Gboothe5" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Gremlins They were eyeballing them and asking lots of questions.Ribs are now up high.out of reach! Do not archive From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jack Phillips Sent: Saturday, March 19, 2011 12:30 PM Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Gremlins Good thing they weren't making snowshoes out of your ribs. Jack Phillips NX899JP "Icarus Plummet" Raleigh, NC _____ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gboothe5 Sent: Saturday, March 19, 2011 1:51 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Gremlins This morning I found gremlins in my Pietenpol shop, making swords out of the cutoff ends of my spars. Gary Do not archive (barely Piet related) ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 02:10:34 PM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Gremlins From: Rick Holland Or using your fuselage for a toboggan. On Sat, Mar 19, 2011 at 1:30 PM, Jack Phillips wrot e: > Good thing they weren=92t making snowshoes out of your ribs=85 > > > Jack Phillips > > NX899JP =93Icarus Plummet=94 > > Raleigh, NC > > > ------------------------------ > > *From:* owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto: > owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Gboothe5 > *Sent:* Saturday, March 19, 2011 1:51 PM > > *To:* pietenpol-list@matronics.com > *Subject:* Pietenpol-List: Gremlins > > > This morning I found gremlins in my Pietenpol shop, making swords out of > the cutoff ends of my spars=85 > > > Gary > > Do not archive (barely Piet related) > > * > =========== =========== =========== =========== > * > > -- Rick Holland Castle Rock, Colorado "A Foolish Consistency is the Hobgoblin of Little Minds" ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 02:13:01 PM PST US From: "Charles Campbell" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Gremlins Boy! He's getting an early start on his Piet! ----- Original Message ----- From: Gboothe5 To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Saturday, March 19, 2011 1:51 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Gremlins This morning I found gremlins in my Pietenpol shop, making swords out of the cutoff ends of my spars. Gary Do not archive (barely Piet related) ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 02:33:57 PM PST US From: "Charles Campbell" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Gremlins Amen! Maybe I need to use some of my excess wood to make a couple of swords and spears. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ken Bickers" Sent: Saturday, March 19, 2011 2:10 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Gremlins > > ... preparing for battle with the forces of anti-corvairism. > > Do not archive > > On Sat, Mar 19, 2011 at 11:51 AM, Gboothe5 wrote: >> This morning I found gremlins in my Pietenpol shop, making swords out of >> the >> cutoff ends of my spars >> >> >> >> Gary >> >> Do not archive (barely Piet related) > > > ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 02:40:57 PM PST US From: "Charles Campbell" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Leading Edge Let me ask a question of some of you guys. I asked Mike off line but he must be out of town or something. I didn't get an answer. I have been using Weldwood glue for my ribs etc but want to use T88 to assemble the wings. How much should I buy to assemble the two wing panels, the center section, and put the side (1/8 plywood) and turtle deck on the fuselage. Any thoughts? Chuck ----- Original Message ----- From: Gboothe5 To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Friday, March 18, 2011 4:42 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Leading Edge Lest anyone think that all I do is defend the Corvair Movement from the Kracken. A couple weeks ago I was visiting Chris Tracy and noticed that he had used a half-round bit to rabbit out the back side of his leading edges. He made matching male pieces which he located on the front of the ribs, perfectly locating the leading edges, providing extra glue surface, lightening the piece of wood (Poplar!!), and generally impressing the heck out of me. At the time, I thought that was way too much unnecessary work, but my leading edges went together nicely and I landed on an easy method to do something similar. Mine have a square rabbit, 3/8" x =BD", that has a corresponding locator glued to the ribs. I don't know how Chris located his pieces, but mine are done with one long piece, epoxied to all the ribs at once, then cut out one by one with a back saw (that's what I have been doing today, in between counter attacks on the Kracken). Oh.did I say.my leading edges are Poplar, too. Gary Boothe Go Corvair ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 02:50:43 PM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Leading Edge From: gboothe5@comcast.net Q2hhcmxlcywNCg0KSSdtIG9uIG15IDNyZCA4IG96IHNldCBmb3IgdGhlIHdob2xlIHBsYW5lLiBJ IHRoaW5rIDEgLSA4IG96IHNldCB3b3VsZCBiZSBwbGVudHkgZm9yIHdoYXQgeW91IGhhdmUgbGVm dC4NCg0KR2FyeQ0KKFByZXBhcmluZyBmb3IgYmF0dGxlIHdpdGggVGhlIEtyYWNrZW4pDQpTZW50 IG9uIHRoZSBTcHJpbnSuIE5vdyBOZXR3b3JrIGZyb20gbXkgQmxhY2tCZXJyea4NCg0KLS0tLS1P cmlnaW5hbCBNZXNzYWdlLS0tLS0NCkZyb206ICJDaGFybGVzIENhbXBiZWxsIiA8Y25jYW1wYmVs bEB3aW5kc3RyZWFtLm5ldD4NClNlbmRlcjogb3duZXItcGlldGVucG9sLWxpc3Qtc2VydmVyQG1h dHJvbmljcy5jb20NCkRhdGU6IFNhdCwgMTkgTWFyIDIwMTEgMTc6Mzg6NDYgDQpUbzogPHBpZXRl bnBvbC1saXN0QG1hdHJvbmljcy5jb20+DQpSZXBseS1UbzogcGlldGVucG9sLWxpc3RAbWF0cm9u aWNzLmNvbVN1YmplY3Q6IFJlOiBQaWV0ZW5wb2wtTGlzdDogTGVhZGluZyBFZGdlDQoNClRoaXMg aXMgYSBtdWx0aS1wYXJ0IG1lc3NhZ2UgaW4gTUlNRSBmb3JtYXQuDQoNCg= ________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ Time: 03:05:58 PM PST US From: "Jack Phillips" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Leading Edge Buy just enough, and no more. Seriously, it is an unanswerable question, since being epoxy, you must mix the components, guessing how much you=92ll need for each task. If you guess too little, you=92ll have to make more. Depending on how well (or how poorly) you guess, you may need one quart kit, or two, or three. Buy a kit, see how far it goes and buy more before you run out. T-88 is not very expensive. To quote Mr. Pietenpol =93The question of where to draw the line at the exposition of directions for the building of a ship like this is difficult to settle. Some want just a lot of dimensions repeated in the text that are a thousand times more eloquent on the drawings, and some would even have you tell them how to hold the hammer. And there are a few who, after having been told how to hold a hammer in the building a ship, would ask you how many swipes to clout the nails on the head=85=94 (F&GM, page 18) Good luck! Jack Phillips NX899JP =93Icarus Plummet=94 Raleigh, NC _____ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Charles Campbell Sent: Saturday, March 19, 2011 5:39 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Leading Edge Let me ask a question of some of you guys. I asked Mike off line but he must be out of town or something. I didn't get an answer. I have been using Weldwood glue for my ribs etc but want to use T88 to assemble the wings. How much should I buy to assemble the two wing panels, the center section, and put the side (1/8 plywood) and turtle deck on the fuselage. Any thoughts? Chuck ----- Original Message ----- From: Gboothe5 Sent: Friday, March 18, 2011 4:42 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Leading Edge Lest anyone think that all I do is defend the Corvair Movement from the Kracken=85 A couple weeks ago I was visiting Chris Tracy and noticed that he had used a half-round bit to rabbit out the back side of his leading edges. He made matching male pieces which he located on the front of the ribs, perfectly locating the leading edges, providing extra glue surface, lightening the piece of wood (Poplar!!), and generally impressing the heck out of me. At the time, I thought that was way too much unnecessary work, but my leading edges went together nicely and I landed on an easy method to do something similar=85 Mine have a square rabbit, 3/8=94 x =BD=94, that has a corresponding locator glued to the ribs. I don=92t know how Chris located his pieces, but mine are done with one long piece, epoxied to all the ribs at once, then cut out one by one with a back saw (that=92s what I have been doing today, in between counter attacks on the Kracken). Oh=85did I say=85my leading edges are Poplar, too=85 Gary Boothe Go Corvair ________________________________ Message 24 ____________________________________ Time: 05:26:36 PM PST US From: "Jack" Subject: RE: RE: Pietenpol-List: Rudder Bar Post Chris thanks for your comments. I too considered (still doing so) rudder pedals, brakes, etc, it's a fun time but sometime frustrating. Thanks again, Jack Do not archive _____ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Chris Sent: Saturday, March 19, 2011 11:55 AM Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Rudder Bar Post Jack You can not raise the rudder bar much higher because it will interfere with the bar connecting the control sticks. I moved mine fore and aft a bit for better fit for me. Then I took it out and put in rudder pedals for a better fit. Now I am considering the bar again. As for you other post, follow the 1934 plans. The F&G plans will work but the the 1934 plans are for the "Improved Air Camper". I figure its just part of the improvements and he must of had some good reason to change. Chris Sacramento, Ca Westcoastpiet.com _____ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jack Sent: Saturday, March 19, 2011 9:25 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Rudder Bar Post Did most everyone mount as per plans? With the long fuselage, did you mount per short fuselage plans? Did anyone adjust fore and aft slightly for correct fit? The two different plans call for the centerline of the bar to be between 3" and 3-1/2" above the floorboard. Anyone remember their mounting height? Higher better? Any input is appreciated! Thanks, Jack DSM href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List">http://www.matronic s.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c ________________________________ Message 25 ____________________________________ Time: 08:45:04 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Unsafe at any Altitude From: "kevinpurtee" Thank goodness it's over. I've missed you, Jack. -------- Kevin "Axel" Purtee NX899KP Austin/Georgetown, TX Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=334480#334480 ________________________________ Message 26 ____________________________________ Time: 09:09:14 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Corvair Oil Filler Location From: "kevinpurtee" I've purchased an after market part from William Wynne to ease the task of getting oil to the new 5th bearing. I've lost the stock oil filler port in the process. I'd like to know how those of you who have a similar setup have handled it, please. 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