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1. 12:14 AM - Re: Yaawwn.....new thread needed- Did you ever think........... (Clif Dawson)
2. 03:05 AM - Re: Re: wings (Charles Campbell)
3. 03:09 AM - Re: Re: wings (Charles Campbell)
4. 04:03 AM - Re: Re: Re: wings (Jack)
5. 04:24 AM - Re: Almost done (Dangerous Dave)
6. 04:57 AM - Re: Re: Re: wings (Jack)
7. 05:42 AM - Corvair Oil Filter Mounting Question - Gold Oil System (kevinpurtee)
8. 06:26 AM - Re: Re: Re: wings (Charles Campbell)
9. 07:01 AM - Re: Corvair Oil Filter Mounting Question - Gold Oil System (Ryan Mueller)
10. 07:04 AM - Re: Corvair Oil Filter Mounting Question - Gold Oil System (Rick Holland)
11. 07:12 AM - Re: Re: Re: Rounded Seat for Delrin Needle, Stromberg Carb, Conti... (curtdm@gmail.com)
12. 07:12 AM - Re: Corvair Oil Filter Mounting Question - Gold Oil System (Gboothe5)
13. 07:25 AM - Re: wings (AircamperN11MS)
14. 07:30 AM - Re: West Coast Pietenpol Gathering (AircamperN11MS)
15. 08:27 AM - Corvair 5th Bearing (Jack Phillips)
16. 08:30 AM - Re: Corvair Oil Filter Mounting Question - Gold Oil System (kevinpurtee)
17. 08:33 AM - Re: West Coast Pietenpol Gathering (kevinpurtee)
18. 09:17 AM - Re: Corvair Oil Filter Mounting Question - Gold Oil System (Jim Boyer)
19. 10:37 AM - Re: Corvair 5th Bearing (Gboothe5)
20. 11:28 AM - Re: Corvair Oil Filter Mounting Question - Gold Oil System (kevinpurtee)
21. 11:28 AM - Re: Corvair Oil Filter Mounting Question - Gold Oil System (kevinpurtee)
22. 12:02 PM - Re: Corvair 5th Bearing (Charles Campbell)
23. 12:11 PM - Re: Corvair 5th Bearing (Kip and Beth Gardner)
24. 12:11 PM - Re: Re: wings (Charles Campbell)
25. 12:20 PM - Re: Re: Corvair Oil Filter Mounting Question - Gold Oil System (Rick Holland)
26. 12:56 PM - Re: wings (AircamperN11MS)
27. 01:05 PM - Re: Corvair 5th Bearing (Gboothe5)
28. 01:54 PM - Re: Corvair 5th Bearing (Billy McCaskill)
29. 02:27 PM - Re: wings (K5YAC)
30. 02:44 PM - Re: Re: Corvair 5th Bearing (Gboothe5)
31. 02:47 PM - Re: Corvair 5th Bearing (Jack Phillips)
32. 03:54 PM - Re: Re: Corvair Oil Filter Mounting Question - Gold Oil System (Jim Boyer)
33. 05:08 PM - Re: wings (Bill Church)
34. 06:06 PM - Fuselage longeron (tdudley@umn.edu)
35. 06:28 PM - Re: Fuselage longeron (Bill Church)
36. 06:33 PM - Re: wings (Don Emch)
37. 07:01 PM - Re: Re: wings (Clif Dawson)
38. 07:17 PM - Re: Corvair 5th Bearing (shad bell)
39. 07:21 PM - Re: Fuselage longeron (shad bell)
40. 09:28 PM - Re: Re: Fuselage longeron (Amsafetyc@gmail.com)
41. 11:14 PM - Re: Fuselage longeron (tdudley@umn.edu)
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| Subject: | Re: Yaawwn.....new thread needed- Did you ever think........... |
Occam's Razor
Corollary; If it's worked for hundreds of years don't
screw with it.
Also, if you want to continue this mind experiment
to it's ridiculous conclusion, what have you done by
drilling holes in bolts thereby compromising their
structural integrity? :-)
Oohh... now I've done it! Is your wife going to wake
up tomorrow and find your pajamas filled with a
mindless puddle........? Oohhhh no Mister Bill!
Nasty Clif
I have no intention of putting cotter pins through
my nuts, thank you very much!
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Yaawwn.....new thread needed- Did you ever
think...........
Did you ever think about how much faith is put into the lowly cotter
pin? I warn you, if you dwell on this subject too long you will begin to
scare yourself. I remember a few years ago when I did a test run of my
engine and I had the airplane completely assembled (no cover) with all
the castle nuts just hand tight. I have scared myself sufficiently, as
to contemplate fabricating a "hybrid" safety mechanism for those hidden
bellcrank connections............. How about this idea? Take a nylon
lock nut, drill a cotter pin hole in it, so it can be threaded-on just
short of being tight, and inserting a cotter pin. That way, you can have
a nice warm, fuzzy, and secure feeling of having all those AN3 sized
bolts double safetied.
Dan Helsper
Puryear, TN.
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Thanks, Jack. I just E-mailed him and asked for his opinion. I sent
him the same picture that started all the discussion. Chuck
----- Original Message -----
From: Jack Phillips
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Monday, March 28, 2011 9:55 PM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: wings
Chuck, as I recall you're in Winston-Salem, right? If I were you I
would contact Eric Minnis, at the Greensboro FSDO. He's a homebuilder
and very knowledgeable. He also is NOT your typical Fed (he refers to
Oklahoma City as FAA Hindquarters). He can give you a more definitive
ruling than any DAR. He's a good guy and will tell you the truth.
Try eric.minnis@faa.gov
Jack Phillips
NX899JP "Icarus Plummet"
Raleigh, NC
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[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Charles
Campbell
Sent: Monday, March 28, 2011 4:01 PM
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: wings
What do the initials DAR stand for? It's designated aircraft
R-------? I'm going to try to find the one for my area and I want it
from the horse's mouth that he won't approve my wing before I do
ANYTHING.
----- Original Message -----
From: Richard Schreiber
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Monday, March 28, 2011 1:39 PM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: wings
Gary:
I with you on this one! It certainly would be devastating to wind
out that the spars are not acceptable. Here are a couple of
possibilities.
1. Consider the spars as toast. Carefully cut the spars between each
rib, then using whatever means necessary, remove the spar materal from
each of the ribs. It would be alot of work, but certainly less than
rebuilding all of the ribs.
2. Junk the whole wing assembly and order another set of finished
ribs. I know that Edgar Howe sells a nice set of completed ribs (either
the original Pietenpol airfoil or the Riblett 612 for around $300. I
know that I sure wouldn't have the heart to redo the ribs.
Chuck, if you decide to order the ribs, Edgar can be reached at
219-508-6880. He also will be at Brodhead with ribs for sale.
Regards,
Rick Schreiber
----- Original Message -----
From: Gboothe5
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: 3/28/2011 12:16:01 PM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: wings
I'm trying to visualize what it must be like for Chuck, when he
realizes, or learns from his DAR or FAA inspector, that his spars are
un-airworthy, and what the possible resolves are. Is it worth trying to
save all those ribs and figure out a way to remove the spar without
damaging each rib? For me it would be, but I know others who actually
enjoy making those crazy things!
How about you, Chuck? Are you interested in putting forth the
question and getting some ideas on how to cut the ribs loose?
Gary Boothe
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OK, Jack. Let's wait and see what the FSDO has to say. I have about
decided to go ahead and order spruce spar stock from A/S. I'll wait for
now. I sent Eric the same picture that you saw.
----- Original Message -----
From: Jack Phillips
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Monday, March 28, 2011 10:34 PM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: wings
One advantage to having the FSDO do the inspection is that they will
do it for free, where a DAR will charge as much as $500 for an
inspection. And the FSDO can make an absolute ruling, where the DAR
will always worry about the FSDO looking over his shoulder.
And if you can wait a couple of weeks, I can come look at it for you.
I am an EAA Tech Counselor. But I expect I can give you my ruling just
from looking at the photos. I would not fly with such spars. Nor would
I glue the ribs in place until the rest of the wing was built (and even
then just tack them in place if anything).
Jack Phillips
NX899JP "Icarus Plummet"
Raleigh, NC
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[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jack
Phillips
Sent: Monday, March 28, 2011 9:56 PM
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: wings
Chuck, as I recall you're in Winston-Salem, right? If I were you I
would contact Eric Minnis, at the Greensboro FSDO. He's a homebuilder
and very knowledgeable. He also is NOT your typical Fed (he refers to
Oklahoma City as FAA Hindquarters). He can give you a more definitive
ruling than any DAR. He's a good guy and will tell you the truth.
Try eric.minnis@faa.gov
Jack Phillips
NX899JP "Icarus Plummet"
Raleigh, NC
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[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Charles
Campbell
Sent: Monday, March 28, 2011 4:01 PM
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: wings
What do the initials DAR stand for? It's designated aircraft
R-------? I'm going to try to find the one for my area and I want it
from the horse's mouth that he won't approve my wing before I do
ANYTHING.
----- Original Message -----
From: Richard Schreiber
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Monday, March 28, 2011 1:39 PM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: wings
Gary:
I with you on this one! It certainly would be devastating to wind
out that the spars are not acceptable. Here are a couple of
possibilities.
1. Consider the spars as toast. Carefully cut the spars between each
rib, then using whatever means necessary, remove the spar materal from
each of the ribs. It would be alot of work, but certainly less than
rebuilding all of the ribs.
2. Junk the whole wing assembly and order another set of finished
ribs. I know that Edgar Howe sells a nice set of completed ribs (either
the original Pietenpol airfoil or the Riblett 612 for around $300. I
know that I sure wouldn't have the heart to redo the ribs.
Chuck, if you decide to order the ribs, Edgar can be reached at
219-508-6880. He also will be at Brodhead with ribs for sale.
Regards,
Rick Schreiber
----- Original Message -----
From: Gboothe5
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: 3/28/2011 12:16:01 PM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: wings
I'm trying to visualize what it must be like for Chuck, when he
realizes, or learns from his DAR or FAA inspector, that his spars are
un-airworthy, and what the possible resolves are. Is it worth trying to
save all those ribs and figure out a way to remove the spar without
damaging each rib? For me it would be, but I know others who actually
enjoy making those crazy things!
How about you, Chuck? Are you interested in putting forth the
question and getting some ideas on how to cut the ribs loose?
Gary Boothe
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Charles been there done that, hang in there. The tool here
http://www.harborfreight.com/power-tools/multifunction-tools.html has helped
me get through many tight cutting and sanding situations.
Take care,
Jack
DSM
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[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Michael
Perez
Sent: Monday, March 28, 2011 7:12 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: wings
<speedbrake@sbcglobal.net>
I agree with Don. It's no fun re-doing something that is finished or close
to it. I have re-made fittings and re-thought my methods of construction
many times.
Removing the rib upright that is epoxied to the spar is the easiest way to
free the ribs from the spar. That can be done with a coping saw or that
little hack saw blade holder you have seen me use.(web site) Then you only
need to cut new cap strips, fit in place, add gussets.
Michael Perez
Karetaker Aero
www.karetakeraero.com
--- On Mon, 3/28/11, Don Emch <EmchAir@aol.com> wrote:
> From: Don Emch <EmchAir@aol.com>
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: wings
> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> Date: Monday, March 28, 2011, 3:34 PM
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted
> by: "Don Emch" <EmchAir@aol.com>
>
> Hi Chuck,
>
> I really feel for you and the bad feeling you get at the
> thought of re-doing something like this. It just
> sucks!
>
> I know that Douglas Fir is supposedly stronger, but even
> the rear spars don't appear to meet the specs. I
> understand a big reason for the grain per inch spec has some
> to do with warpage, but strength is a very big issue
> too. Strength that is measureable and consistent is
> found in spar examples that meet the specs. If you
> don't meets those specs then you really don't know what you
> have.
>
> Again the whole idea of re-doing something like this
> sucks. I made center section fittings I didn't think
> were good so I dismantled the whole centersection and built
> new. Then there was the time the hangar collapsed on
> the finished airplane and I had to rebuild. It just
> sucks!
>
> Maybe you could cut the upright where the rib is glued to
> the spar and then when replacing the spar you could just
> splice in a new upright. That's how I rebuilt my
> centersection.
>
> Don Emch
> NX899DE
>
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> Read this topic online here:
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Chris,Its pretty easy to make the jig.Used 2 pieces of mdf,one to replicate the
back of the engine with the center of thrust marked and drilled for Lord mounts,the
other to do the same for the firewall with aluminum brackets bolted on
where the engine mounts are,so a duplicate of the firewall.Then 2', 3/8" althread
rods run through 1" square aluminum tubing cut to the exact length of the
mount for spacers and rigidity and a 1x2 maple spacer on the bottom.Bolted on
the mount tubing,cut up and notched the tubing and oxy-act welded the thing together.Took
10 hrs,came out perfect.dave
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Chuck,
If you do glue the ribs I would suggest waiting until the wing parts are
done, I slid mine off and on the spars no less than 10 times through
construction. This is also true for most of the ship. To date my seats and
turtle deck are just clamped.
Jack
DSM
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[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Charles
Campbell
Sent: Monday, March 28, 2011 8:10 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: wings
Thanks, Shad. Good advice!
----- Original Message -----
From: shad bell <mailto:aviatorbell@yahoo.com>
Sent: Monday, March 28, 2011 6:46 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: wings
Chuck, I can relate to hating having to rebuild completed parts for your
airplane. I am in the process of making new landing gear shock struts,
which were "done". The hardest part of this airplane building thing, is
being honest with yourself. I know how easy it is to talk yourself into
saying "It will be alright". If you have to spend a few dollars to rebuild
your wings do it. It is cheaper than rebuilding your whole, completed
airplane wen it fails, and you will be hating yourself wishing you had
rebuilt the spars. It is all part of the experiance. It won't be as hard
as you think. Put pride aside, an ounce of prevension, is worth a ton of
fixing later.
Just my humble oppinion,
Shad
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| Subject: | Corvair Oil Filter Mounting Question - Gold Oil System |
Hi - I'm installing the Weseman 5th bearing and have acquired WW's gold oil filter
adapter to facilitate getting oil to the new bearing. When I bought the K&N
1008 oil filter I noticed I had two female threads - one in the filter & one
in the adapter. If any of you have installed this system can you tell me what
you used for the double male fitting to connect the filter and the housing?
Honestly, the piece may have come with the adapter and it may be in the box and
I have dug that far. Haven't been to the hangar to be able to check, though.
I'll gladly take my beatings if that's the case.
I posted this on the corvair list and got nuthin'. Didn't ask WW 'cause he's at
Sun & Fun and likely not checking e-mail.
Thanks,
Kevin
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NX899KP
Austin/Georgetown, TX
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Way to go! You are so far ahead of me, and this latest thing with my
wing spars is going to set me back some more. I was hoping to finish
everything and fly off the test phase in time to fly to William Wynne's
'Corvair College' in Barnwell SC in November. Oh well, maybe I can just
drive down! Chuck
----- Original Message -----
From: Jack
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, March 29, 2011 7:32 AM
Subject: RE: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: wings
Chuck,
If you do glue the ribs I would suggest waiting until the wing parts
are done, I slid mine off and on the spars no less than 10 times through
construction. This is also true for most of the ship. To date my seats
and turtle deck are just clamped.
Jack
DSM
www.textors.com
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[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Charles
Campbell
Sent: Monday, March 28, 2011 8:10 PM
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: wings
Thanks, Shad. Good advice!
----- Original Message -----
From: shad bell
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Monday, March 28, 2011 6:46 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: wings
Chuck, I can relate to hating having to rebuild completed
parts for your airplane. I am in the process of making new landing gear
shock struts, which were "done". The hardest part of this airplane
building thing, is being honest with yourself. I know how easy it is to
talk yourself into saying "It will be alright". If you have to spend a
few dollars to rebuild your wings do it. It is cheaper than rebuilding
your whole, completed airplane wen it fails, and you will be hating
yourself wishing you had rebuilt the spars. It is all part of the
experiance. It won't be as hard as you think. Put pride aside, an
ounce of prevension, is worth a ton of fixing later.
Just my humble oppinion,
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| Subject: | Re: Corvair Oil Filter Mounting Question - Gold Oil System |
Hey Kevin,
I'm pretty sure that male/male adapter is in the box (or is supposed to be
in the box, at least). I recall seeing an adapter like that when I had my
conversion parts, and I'm pretty sure it came with the gold oil system
parts....
Ryan
On Tue, Mar 29, 2011 at 7:18 AM, kevinpurtee <kevin.purtee@us.army.mil>wrote:
> kevin.purtee@us.army.mil>
>
> Hi - I'm installing the Weseman 5th bearing and have acquired WW's gold oil
> filter adapter to facilitate getting oil to the new bearing. When I bought
> the K&N 1008 oil filter I noticed I had two female threads - one in the
> filter & one in the adapter. If any of you have installed this system can
> you tell me what you used for the double male fitting to connect the filter
> and the housing?
>
> Honestly, the piece may have come with the adapter and it may be in the box
> and I have dug that far. Haven't been to the hangar to be able to check,
> though. I'll gladly take my beatings if that's the case.
>
> I posted this on the corvair list and got nuthin'. Didn't ask WW 'cause
> he's at Sun & Fun and likely not checking e-mail.
>
> Thanks,
> Kevin
>
> --------
> Kevin "Axel" Purtee
> NX899KP
> Austin/Georgetown, TX
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| Subject: | Re: Corvair Oil Filter Mounting Question - Gold Oil System |
Kevin
If you are not use the sandwich adapter with the gold oil thing you need to
get a male-to-male adapter from WW. Its the same thing used to attach the
sandwich adapter.
btw, I am also going with the Weseman bearing, would be interested in
hearing about your experience installing it, and also are you upgrading to a
higher flow oil pump? Dan said it may or may not be needed with his bearing.
rick
On Tue, Mar 29, 2011 at 6:18 AM, kevinpurtee <kevin.purtee@us.army.mil>wrote:
> kevin.purtee@us.army.mil>
>
> Hi - I'm installing the Weseman 5th bearing and have acquired WW's gold oil
> filter adapter to facilitate getting oil to the new bearing. When I bought
> the K&N 1008 oil filter I noticed I had two female threads - one in the
> filter & one in the adapter. If any of you have installed this system can
> you tell me what you used for the double male fitting to connect the filter
> and the housing?
>
> Honestly, the piece may have come with the adapter and it may be in the box
> and I have dug that far. Haven't been to the hangar to be able to check,
> though. I'll gladly take my beatings if that's the case.
>
> I posted this on the corvair list and got nuthin'. Didn't ask WW 'cause
> he's at Sun & Fun and likely not checking e-mail.
>
> Thanks,
> Kevin
>
> --------
> Kevin "Axel" Purtee
> NX899KP
> Austin/Georgetown, TX
>
>
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"A Foolish Consistency is the Hobgoblin of Little Minds"
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| Subject: | Re: Rounded Seat for Delrin Needle, Stromberg |
Carb, Conti...
Hey Dave,
My address is:
Curtis Merdan
5304 Townsend Dr.
Flower Mound, TX 75028
If you hear from Matt Paxton after you send it, let me know. It was offered
to him first, and I'm not up for any internet brawls. I do have a lead on
another seat but he hasn't opened up his parts carb to find out what kind
he has.
Thanks,
Curtis Merdan
On Mar 28, 2011 12:57pm, SENTUCHOWS@aol.com wrote:
> Curt
> I have not heard from Mike. If you want the needle
> seat let me know. Just send me your address.
> Dave
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| Subject: | Corvair Oil Filter Mounting Question - Gold Oil System |
Best picture I could find, Kevin. I'll bet it's in the box...
Gary
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of kevinpurtee
Sent: Tuesday, March 29, 2011 5:19 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Corvair Oil Filter Mounting Question - Gold Oil
System
<kevin.purtee@us.army.mil>
Hi - I'm installing the Weseman 5th bearing and have acquired WW's gold oil
filter adapter to facilitate getting oil to the new bearing. When I bought
the K&N 1008 oil filter I noticed I had two female threads - one in the
filter & one in the adapter. If any of you have installed this system can
you tell me what you used for the double male fitting to connect the filter
and the housing?
Honestly, the piece may have come with the adapter and it may be in the box
and I have dug that far. Haven't been to the hangar to be able to check,
though. I'll gladly take my beatings if that's the case.
I posted this on the corvair list and got nuthin'. Didn't ask WW 'cause
he's at Sun & Fun and likely not checking e-mail.
Thanks,
Kevin
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NX899KP
Austin/Georgetown, TX
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Hi Chuck,
I am also an EAA Tech Counselor. I have been doing it for the past 15 years or
so and I am glad to hear that you are getting some outside help from all possible
resources. Kudo's to you.
If I came out and looked at you wings, I would also refer you to 43.13 and suggest
new spars. But keep in mind that EAA Tech Counselors can only offer suggestions
and help you make safe building decisions. I have found many unsafe conditions,
even in the Kit airplanes. Don't beat yourself up over it.
The advice from this group is right on and certainly makes this forum worth its
weight in gold. Keep listening and asking questions and you will have a nice
airplane that you will feel safe flying in and be proud of.
--------
Scott Liefeld
Flying N11MS since March 1972
Steel Tube
C-85-12
Wire Wheels
Brodhead in 1996
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| Subject: | Re: West Coast Pietenpol Gathering |
Very nice, Now you're getting it!
"oh! and we have 3 hours ground run time on our six cylinder "aircraft engine"
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Flying N11MS since March 1972
Steel Tube
C-85-12
Wire Wheels
Brodhead in 1996
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| Subject: | Corvair 5th Bearing |
Hello, Fellow Lovers of the Corvair!
Last week I spent several days in Beautiful West Tennessee as my good
friend
Gene Pennington used to describe it, helping my mother do a bunch of
repairs
around the house. At age 87, she=92s not much good on a ladder anymore
so I
try to help her out every now and then.
While there, I managed to squeeze in a visit with Randy Bush and got to
see
his Pietenpol after its =93Crank Snapping=94 episode. Randy installed
the 5th
bearing from Roy=92s Garage and I must say I=92m impressed with the
design and
workmanship (both Roy=92s and Randy=92s). If you must fly behind a six
cylinder
engine that was never intended to go in an airplane, I would certainly
recommend adding the 5th bearing, and if you can, I would use the one
from
Roy=92s Garage. It is more trouble to install, requiring tearing the
engine
down completely, but provides more bearing area where you need it. It
also
adds about an inch or so to the overall length of the engine, requiring
some
cowling modification, but I think it is a good design ' almost as good
as a
real airplane engine.
I had hoped to fly Randy=92s plane (he offered, but it was only 41=B0
and I had
not brought any cold-weather clothing except a jacket), but look forward
to
flying it at Brodhead. I want to see for myself what a Pietenpol feels
like
with 100 hp of smooth 6-cylinder power. As long as there are plenty of
good
fields for forced landings around=85
Now if it will just warm up a few more degrees, I=92ll fly my Pietenpol
back
over the mountains to Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia, this afternoon.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP =93Icarus Plummet=94
Raleigh, NC
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Thanks all. No doubt the thing's in the box.
Ryan & Gary - Thanks for the pics.
Rick - I had to read the instructions a few times but it appears to be a pretty
straight-forward installation. I'm waiting on the install kit from the Wesemans
& hope to install it this weekend. Will let you know how it goes. I'm going
to install it & see what the oil pressure does. If it drops a noticeable
amount I'll ask Dan what his recommendation is. I'm guessing higher volume pumps
are available.
Thanks again,
Kevin
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NX899KP
Austin/Georgetown, TX
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| Subject: | Re: West Coast Pietenpol Gathering |
Ya know, if I could just get you guys and Shad Bell to move to Austin it'd be a
lot easier for me to attend your gatherings......
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Austin/Georgetown, TX
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| Subject: | Re: Corvair Oil Filter Mounting Question - Gold Oil System |
Hi Kevin,
I got the double male fitting with the gold oil system from william.
How is the 5th bearing installation coming? Are you done with it now?
Jim B.
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| Subject: | Corvair 5th Bearing |
Jack,
I continue to garner new-found respect for you!! I hope your experience
with
Corvair-powered A/C continues to be=85comfortable.
Gary
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jack
Phillips
Sent: Tuesday, March 29, 2011 7:57 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Corvair 5th Bearing
Hello, Fellow Lovers of the Corvair!
Last week I spent several days in Beautiful West Tennessee as my good
friend
Gene Pennington used to describe it, helping my mother do a bunch of
repairs
around the house. At age 87, she=92s not much good on a ladder anymore
so I
try to help her out every now and then.
While there, I managed to squeeze in a visit with Randy Bush and got to
see
his Pietenpol after its =93Crank Snapping=94 episode. Randy installed
the 5th
bearing from Roy=92s Garage and I must say I=92m impressed with the
design and
workmanship (both Roy=92s and Randy=92s). If you must fly behind a six
cylinder
engine that was never intended to go in an airplane, I would certainly
recommend adding the 5th bearing, and if you can, I would use the one
from
Roy=92s Garage. It is more trouble to install, requiring tearing the
engine
down completely, but provides more bearing area where you need it. It
also
adds about an inch or so to the overall length of the engine, requiring
some
cowling modification, but I think it is a good design ' almost as good
as a
real airplane engine.
I had hoped to fly Randy=92s plane (he offered, but it was only 41=B0
and I had
not brought any cold-weather clothing except a jacket), but look forward
to
flying it at Brodhead. I want to see for myself what a Pietenpol feels
like
with 100 hp of smooth 6-cylinder power. As long as there are plenty of
good
fields for forced landings around=85
Now if it will just warm up a few more degrees, I=92ll fly my Pietenpol
back
over the mountains to Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia, this afternoon.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP =93Icarus Plummet=94
Raleigh, NC
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| Subject: | Re: Corvair Oil Filter Mounting Question - Gold Oil System |
Ya know, Jim, I'm pretty sure it's sitting in the box that I haven't dug through
completely. I love confirming that I'm a dumb@** in public. Gonna go to the
hangar today & make sure I actually have it, though I have no reason to believe
it's not there.
5th bearing: waiting on the install kit from the Wesemans. It's supposed to be
here. Anyway, assuming I have the install kit, I think I'll have the bearing
installed this weekend & should have the motor back together as well. That leaves
with getting an oil line to go from the gold oil thingy to the 5th bearing
and making whatever mod's to the cowl. The heads are back from Roy & they
look spectacular.
What did you do for the oil line?
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NX899KP
Austin/Georgetown, TX
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Ya know, Jim, I'm pretty sure it's sitting in the box that I haven't dug through
completely. I love confirming that I'm a dumb@** in public. Gonna go to the
hangar today & make sure I actually have it, though I have no reason to believe
it's not there.
5th bearing: waiting on the install kit from the Wesemans. It's supposed to be
here. Anyway, assuming I have the install kit, I think I'll have the bearing
installed this weekend & should have the motor back together as well. That leaves
with getting an oil line to go from the gold oil thingy to the 5th bearing
and making whatever mod's to the cowl. The heads are back from Roy & they
look spectacular.
What did you do for the oil line?
--------
Kevin "Axel" Purtee
NX899KP
Austin/Georgetown, TX
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| Subject: | Re: Corvair 5th Bearing |
Corvair 5th Bearing"FELLOW" lovers. Come now!
----- Original Message -----
From: Jack Phillips
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, March 29, 2011 10:57 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Corvair 5th Bearing
Hello, Fellow Lovers of the Corvair!
Last week I spent several days in Beautiful West Tennessee as my good
friend Gene Pennington used to describe it, helping my mother do a bunch
of repairs around the house. At age 87, she's not much good on a ladder
anymore so I try to help her out every now and then.
While there, I managed to squeeze in a visit with Randy Bush and got
to see his Pietenpol after its "Crank Snapping" episode. Randy
installed the 5th bearing from Roy's Garage and I must say I'm impressed
with the design and workmanship (both Roy's and Randy's). If you must
fly behind a six cylinder engine that was never intended to go in an
airplane, I would certainly recommend adding the 5th bearing, and if you
can, I would use the one from Roy's Garage. It is more trouble to
install, requiring tearing the engine down completely, but provides more
bearing area where you need it. It also adds about an inch or so to the
overall length of the engine, requiring some cowling modification, but I
think it is a good design - almost as good as a real airplane engine.
I had hoped to fly Randy's plane (he offered, but it was only 41=B0
and I had not brought any cold-weather clothing except a jacket), but
look forward to flying it at Brodhead. I want to see for myself what a
Pietenpol feels like with 100 hp of smooth 6-cylinder power. As long as
there are plenty of good fields for forced landings around.
Now if it will just warm up a few more degrees, I'll fly my Pietenpol
back over the mountains to Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia, this
afternoon.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP "Icarus Plummet"
Raleigh, NC
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It must suddenly be cold in Hell.
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Kip Gardner
On Mar 29, 2011, at 10:57 AM, Jack Phillips wrote:
> Hello, Fellow Lovers of the Corvair!
>
> Last week I spent several days in Beautiful West Tennessee as my
> good friend Gene Pennington used to describe it, helping my mother
> do a bunch of repairs around the house. At age 87, she=92s not much
> good on a ladder anymore so I try to help her out every now and then.
>
> While there, I managed to squeeze in a visit with Randy Bush and got
> to see his Pietenpol after its =93Crank Snapping=94 episode. Randy
> installed the 5th bearing from Roy=92s Garage and I must say I=92m
> impressed with the design and workmanship (both Roy=92s and Randy=92s).
> If you must fly behind a six cylinder engine that was never intended
> to go in an airplane, I would certainly recommend adding the 5th
> bearing, and if you can, I would use the one from Roy=92s Garage. It
> is more trouble to install, requiring tearing the engine down
> completely, but provides more bearing area where you need it. It
> also adds about an inch or so to the overall length of the engine,
> requiring some cowling modification, but I think it is a good design
> ' almost as good as a real airplane engine.
>
> I had hoped to fly Randy=92s plane (he offered, but it was only 41=B0
> and I had not brought any cold-weather clothing except a jacket),
> but look forward to flying it at Brodhead. I want to see for myself
> what a Pietenpol feels like with 100 hp of smooth 6-cylinder power.
> As long as there are plenty of good fields for forced landings around=85
>
> Now if it will just warm up a few more degrees, I=92ll fly my
> Pietenpol back over the mountains to Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia,
> this afternoon.
>
> Jack Phillips
>
> NX899JP =93Icarus Plummet=94
>
> Raleigh, NC
>
>
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At the advice of Jack Phillips, who is also an EAA Tech Counselor, I ordered
a set of spruce spars this morning from A/S. Incidentally, Jack recommended
I contact a friend of his who is in the FSDO in Greensboro, about 30 miles
east of me - which I did. He also recommended very strongly that I replace
the spars. Thanks for your concern. As soon as the new wood gets here that
problem will be solved. Chuck
----- Original Message -----
From: "AircamperN11MS" <Scott.liefeld@lacity.org>
Sent: Tuesday, March 29, 2011 10:01 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: wings
> <Scott.liefeld@lacity.org>
>
> Hi Chuck,
>
> I am also an EAA Tech Counselor. I have been doing it for the past 15
> years or so and I am glad to hear that you are getting some outside help
> from all possible resources. Kudo's to you.
>
> If I came out and looked at you wings, I would also refer you to 43.13 and
> suggest new spars. But keep in mind that EAA Tech Counselors can only
> offer suggestions and help you make safe building decisions. I have found
> many unsafe conditions, even in the Kit airplanes. Don't beat yourself up
> over it.
>
> The advice from this group is right on and certainly makes this forum
> worth its weight in gold. Keep listening and asking questions and you
> will have a nice airplane that you will feel safe flying in and be proud
> of.
>
> --------
> Scott Liefeld
> Flying N11MS since March 1972
> Steel Tube
> C-85-12
> Wire Wheels
> Brodhead in 1996
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=335393#335393
>
>
>
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System
Yes, Dan said Clarks has a high flow oil pump kit if needed.
rick
On Tue, Mar 29, 2011 at 9:06 AM, kevinpurtee <kevin.purtee@us.army.mil>wrote:
> kevin.purtee@us.army.mil>
>
> Thanks all. No doubt the thing's in the box.
>
> Ryan & Gary - Thanks for the pics.
>
> Rick - I had to read the instructions a few times but it appears to be a
> pretty straight-forward installation. I'm waiting on the install kit from
> the Wesemans & hope to install it this weekend. Will let you know how it
> goes. I'm going to install it & see what the oil pressure does. If it
> drops a noticeable amount I'll ask Dan what his recommendation is. I'm
> guessing higher volume pumps are available.
>
> Thanks again,
> Kevin
>
> --------
> Kevin "Axel" Purtee
> NX899KP
> Austin/Georgetown, TX
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=335402#335402
>
>
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Castle Rock, Colorado
"A Foolish Consistency is the Hobgoblin of Little Minds"
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Fantastic. I can't wait to see the new Pics.
--------
Scott Liefeld
Flying N11MS since March 1972
Steel Tube
C-85-12
Wire Wheels
Brodhead in 1996
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| Subject: | Corvair 5th Bearing |
Chuck,
He=92s coming out of the closet=85..be gentle.
Gary
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Charles
Campbell
Sent: Tuesday, March 29, 2011 11:31 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Corvair 5th Bearing
"FELLOW" lovers. Come now!
----- Original Message -----
From: Jack Phillips <mailto:pietflyr@bellsouth.net>
Sent: Tuesday, March 29, 2011 10:57 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Corvair 5th Bearing
Hello, Fellow Lovers of the Corvair!
Last week I spent several days in Beautiful West Tennessee as my good
friend
Gene Pennington used to describe it, helping my mother do a bunch of
repairs
around the house. At age 87, she=92s not much good on a ladder anymore
so I
try to help her out every now and then.
While there, I managed to squeeze in a visit with Randy Bush and got to
see
his Pietenpol after its =93Crank Snapping=94 episode. Randy installed
the 5th
bearing from Roy=92s Garage and I must say I=92m impressed with the
design and
workmanship (both Roy=92s and Randy=92s). If you must fly behind a six
cylinder
engine that was never intended to go in an airplane, I would certainly
recommend adding the 5th bearing, and if you can, I would use the one
from
Roy=92s Garage. It is more trouble to install, requiring tearing the
engine
down completely, but provides more bearing area where you need it. It
also
adds about an inch or so to the overall length of the engine, requiring
some
cowling modification, but I think it is a good design ' almost as good
as a
real airplane engine.
I had hoped to fly Randy=92s plane (he offered, but it was only 41=B0
and I had
not brought any cold-weather clothing except a jacket), but look forward
to
flying it at Brodhead. I want to see for myself what a Pietenpol feels
like
with 100 hp of smooth 6-cylinder power. As long as there are plenty of
good
fields for forced landings around=85
Now if it will just warm up a few more degrees, I=92ll fly my Pietenpol
back
over the mountains to Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia, this afternoon.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP =93Icarus Plummet=94
Raleigh, NC
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His resistance is weakening! Keep wearing him down fellow CSCS'ers! He will eventually
come over to the dark side...
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Billy McCaskill
Urbana, IL
tail section almost done, starting on ribs soon
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Way to go Chuck! Don't let it get you down... I'm pretty sure that everyone has
probably stumbled at some point in their project... good to see that you aren't
going to lose another minute fretting over it. As we use to say in the paratroops...
adapt, improvise and overcome. I know it probably doesn't feel too
good right now, but you obviously realize that you'll be happier in the long
run.
I recently had to scrap an idea that I had my heart set on (my aluminum control
horns)... I had a lot of time invested in those parts, but due to the reasoning
that some offered here (and locally) I thought it was for the best. Honestly,
the reviews were mixed, and even some that were against the idea admitted
that they would probably hold up well... but it was that "probably" part that
bothered all of us... not to mention that my welds (much like your spars) would
be covered and unable to be inspected thoroughly.
You've made the right choice... keep pressing on.
--------
Mark Chouinard
Wings, Center Section and Empannage framed up - Working on Fuselage
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The force is strong with this one!
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-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Billy
McCaskill
Sent: Tuesday, March 29, 2011 1:33 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Corvair 5th Bearing
His resistance is weakening! Keep wearing him down fellow CSCS'ers! He
will eventually come over to the dark side...
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Billy McCaskill
Urbana, IL
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| Subject: | Corvair 5th Bearing |
=85as long as there=92s a safe place for a forced landing.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP =93Icarus Plummet=94
Raleigh, NC
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Sent: Tuesday, March 29, 2011 12:20 PM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Corvair 5th Bearing
Jack,
I continue to garner new-found respect for you!! I hope your experience
with
Corvair-powered A/C continues to be=85comfortable.
Gary
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Phillips
Sent: Tuesday, March 29, 2011 7:57 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Corvair 5th Bearing
Hello, Fellow Lovers of the Corvair!
Last week I spent several days in Beautiful West Tennessee as my good
friend
Gene Pennington used to describe it, helping my mother do a bunch of
repairs
around the house. At age 87, she=92s not much good on a ladder anymore
so I
try to help her out every now and then.
While there, I managed to squeeze in a visit with Randy Bush and got to
see
his Pietenpol after its =93Crank Snapping=94 episode. Randy installed
the 5th
bearing from Roy=92s Garage and I must say I=92m impressed with the
design and
workmanship (both Roy=92s and Randy=92s). If you must fly behind a six
cylinder
engine that was never intended to go in an airplane, I would certainly
recommend adding the 5th bearing, and if you can, I would use the one
from
Roy=92s Garage. It is more trouble to install, requiring tearing the
engine
down completely, but provides more bearing area where you need it. It
also
adds about an inch or so to the overall length of the engine, requiring
some
cowling modification, but I think it is a good design ' almost as good
as a
real airplane engine.
I had hoped to fly Randy=92s plane (he offered, but it was only 41=B0
and I had
not brought any cold-weather clothing except a jacket), but look forward
to
flying it at Brodhead. I want to see for myself what a Pietenpol feels
like
with 100 hp of smooth 6-cylinder power. As long as there are plenty of
good
fields for forced landings around=85
Now if it will just warm up a few more degrees, I=92ll fly my Pietenpol
back
over the mountains to Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia, this afternoon.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP =93Icarus Plummet=94
Raleigh, NC
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| Subject: | Re: Corvair Oil Filter Mounting Question - Gold Oil |
System
Hi Kevin,
I ordered the flexible braided line from Summit Racing. I=C2- think it is
Earls brand. I will look tonight and verify the brand when I get home. I g
ot all the fittings from Summit which I think William lists in his 601 fire
wall forward book.
Cheers,
Jim
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Excellent news, Chuck (well, sort of).
What I mean is that you have made a wise choice, and that there are without doubt,
a number of List members that are breathing a collective sigh of relief. You
were making some of us nervous.
The "sort of" comment above refers to the fact that you've had to take a step or
two backwards in your project - so that part isn't such good news for you. However,
I have a feeling that when you get those "real" spars, you'll feel a whole
lot better. While some of the comments may have been a little hard to take,
they were all made out of honest concern for you and your plane. Glad to hear
of your decision.
Bill C.
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| Subject: | Fuselage longeron |
I jigged the extended fuselage last night and was laying in the longerons. Am
I the only one who has trouble getting the bottom longeron's curve to fit in the
jig? Seems to me I read that bending the lower longeron wasn't too much a
problem and it didn't need to be soaked. Maybe my hands can't generate enough
pressure on the clamps. I guess I was planning on soaking the end of the longeron
overnight in a PVC pipe unless there are other suggestions.
Thanks,
Tom
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| Subject: | Re: Fuselage longeron |
Tom,
The bottom longeron (especially for the extended fuselage) doesn't have that much
curvature, really. It shouldn't need any steaming or soaking. What "pressure
on the clamps" are you referring to? Just screw a few blocks of wood (1 inch
thick) along the profile of the longeron (a few on the outside, near the front,
and more, on the inside, as needed), and the 1" x 1" should just slip in between.
See attached photo for reference.
Bill C.
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Great Chuck!
Before you know it you'll have those wings together!
Don Emch
NX899DE
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Second that. I went back for another look and
something I haven't seen stressed is the grain
orientation. On those boards it appears to me
that some of it is at least 45.
I don't know how much you know about this
stuff so bear with me.
If you took a stack of 50 sheets of paper the
"face" is the top sheet and the "edge" then is
looking at the stack from the side. In a board
this would be "face" grain. Now if you piled up
a stack 5 ft tall then the reverse is true, the top
is now the edge and the 5 ft side is the face. This
is "edge" grain or vertical grain.
THIS is what you want your board to look like!
At least as much as possible. Personaly in my
anal retentive way I won't use anything that has
a grain angle of more than 15 off that.
You're a good man Chuck. You faced down this
big fat demon. Bit the nasty bullet and won.
Clif
a number of List members that are breathing a collective sigh of relief. You
were making some of us nervous.
> The "sort of" comment above refers to the fact that you've had to take a
> step or two backwards in your project - so that part isn't such good news
> for you. However, I have a feeling that when you get those "real" spars,
> you'll feel a whole lot better. >
> Bill C.
>
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| Subject: | Corvair 5th Bearing |
Jack, just make sure you wear earplugs, if the crank doesn't break in the 1
st 2 minutes, you'll be deaf.=C2- I forgot to put mine in (when not weari
ng headsets) and coudln't take it after about 5 min, so I turned around and
landed to get them and put them in!
=C2-
Shad
=C2-
p.s. I need a ride in a 65 powered piet, it would be fun to compare the per
formance.=C2- Mike Cuy and I flew togeather a couple years ago around Cle
veland=C2-and I was surprized how quick he climbed out and caught up to m
e.=C2- Build Light!
--- On Tue, 3/29/11, Jack Phillips <pietflyr@bellsouth.net> wrote:
From: Jack Phillips <pietflyr@bellsouth.net>
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Corvair 5th Bearing
as long as there=99s a safe place for a forced landing.
=C2-
Jack Phillips
NX899JP =9CIcarus Plummet=9D
Raleigh, NC
=C2-
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-lis
t-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gboothe5
Sent: Tuesday, March 29, 2011 12:20 PM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Corvair 5th Bearing
=C2-
Jack,
=C2-
I continue to garner new-found respect for you!! I hope your experience wit
h Corvair-powered A/C continues to becomfortable.
=C2-
Gary
Do not archive
=C2-
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-lis
t-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jack Phillips
Sent: Tuesday, March 29, 2011 7:57 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Corvair 5th Bearing
=C2-
Hello, Fellow Lovers of the Corvair!
Last week I spent several days in Beautiful West Tennessee as my good frien
d Gene Pennington used to describe it, helping my mother do a bunch of repa
irs around the house.=C2- At age 87, she=99s not much good on a lad
der anymore so I try to help her out every now and then.
While there, I managed to squeeze in a visit with Randy Bush and got to see
his Pietenpol after its =9CCrank Snapping=9D episode.=C2- Ra
ndy installed the 5th bearing from Roy =99s Garage and I must say I
=99m impressed with the design and workmanship (both Roy=99s an
d Randy=99s).=C2- If you must fly behind a six cylinder engine that
was never intended to go in an airplane, I would certainly recommend addin
g the 5th bearing, and if you can, I would use the one from Roy =99s
Garage.=C2- It is more trouble to install, requiring tearing the engine d
own completely, but provides more bearing area where you need it.=C2- It
also adds about an inch or so to the overall length of the engine, requirin
g some cowling modification, but I think it is a good design =93 almo
st as good as a real airplane engine.
I had hoped to fly Randy=99s plane (he offered, but it was only 41=C2
=B0 and I had not brought any cold-weather clothing except a jacket), but l
ook forward to flying it at Brodhead.=C2- I want to see for myself what a
Pietenpol feels like with 100 hp of smooth 6-cylinder power.=C2- As long
as there are plenty of good fields for forced landings around
Now if it will just warm up a few more degrees, I=99ll fly my Pietenp
ol back over the mountains to Smith Mountain Lake , Virginia , this afterno
on.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP=C2- =9CIcarus Plummet=9D
Raleigh, NC =C2- =C2- =C2-http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpo
l-List =C2-http://forums.matronics.com =C2-http://www.matronics.com/con
tribution =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2-http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pie
tenpol-Listhttp://forums.matronics.comhttp://www.matronics.com/contribution
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| Subject: | Re: Fuselage longeron |
Soaking would work fine, I don't remember Dad soaking his though, just had
to push it into the jig.- Just make sure to let it dry for a few days bef
ore gluing it.
-
Shad.
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From: tdudley@umn.edu <tdudley@umn.edu>
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Fuselage longeron
I jigged the extended fuselage last night and was laying in the longerons.
- Am I the only one who has trouble getting the bottom longeron's curve t
o fit in the jig?- Seems to me I read that bending the lower longeron was
n't too much a problem and it didn't need to be soaked.- Maybe my hands c
an't generate enough pressure on the clamps.- I guess I was planning on s
oaking the end of the longeron overnight in a PVC pipe unless there are oth
er suggestions.
Thanks,
Tom
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| Subject: | Re: Fuselage longeron |
Pretty much the same method I used and had no problems at all. Stop blocks
on the bench worked out perfectly
John
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From: Bill Church <billspiet@sympatico.ca>
Sent: Wed, Mar 30, 2011 01:42:29 GMT+00:00
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Fuselage longeron
Tom,
The bottom longeron (especially for the extended fuselage) doesn't have that
much curvature, really. It shouldn't need any steaming or soaking. What
"pressure on the clamps" are you referring to? Just screw a few blocks of
wood (1 inch thick) along the profile of the longeron (a few on the outside,
near the front, and more, on the inside, as needed), and the 1" x 1" should
just slip in between. See attached photo for reference.
Bill C.
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| Subject: | Re: Fuselage longeron |
I appreciate your input. My post was "thinking out loud", but your responses helped.
Funny how a small mis-measurement can change the bend angle of the longeron.
A dumb mistake on my part, but the best part of this list is being able
to voice a question, get a simple answer, and double-check your thinking. I
re-measured (correctly this time), and the bend is as simple as stated. I appreciate
the help. I sure as hell didn't get a Ph.D. in using a ruler!
Tom
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