---------------------------------------------------------- Pietenpol-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Tue 03/29/11: 41 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 12:14 AM - Re: Yaawwn.....new thread needed- Did you ever think........... (Clif Dawson) 2. 03:05 AM - Re: Re: wings (Charles Campbell) 3. 03:09 AM - Re: Re: wings (Charles Campbell) 4. 04:03 AM - Re: Re: Re: wings (Jack) 5. 04:24 AM - Re: Almost done (Dangerous Dave) 6. 04:57 AM - Re: Re: Re: wings (Jack) 7. 05:42 AM - Corvair Oil Filter Mounting Question - Gold Oil System (kevinpurtee) 8. 06:26 AM - Re: Re: Re: wings (Charles Campbell) 9. 07:01 AM - Re: Corvair Oil Filter Mounting Question - Gold Oil System (Ryan Mueller) 10. 07:04 AM - Re: Corvair Oil Filter Mounting Question - Gold Oil System (Rick Holland) 11. 07:12 AM - Re: Re: Re: Rounded Seat for Delrin Needle, Stromberg Carb, Conti... (curtdm@gmail.com) 12. 07:12 AM - Re: Corvair Oil Filter Mounting Question - Gold Oil System (Gboothe5) 13. 07:25 AM - Re: wings (AircamperN11MS) 14. 07:30 AM - Re: West Coast Pietenpol Gathering (AircamperN11MS) 15. 08:27 AM - Corvair 5th Bearing (Jack Phillips) 16. 08:30 AM - Re: Corvair Oil Filter Mounting Question - Gold Oil System (kevinpurtee) 17. 08:33 AM - Re: West Coast Pietenpol Gathering (kevinpurtee) 18. 09:17 AM - Re: Corvair Oil Filter Mounting Question - Gold Oil System (Jim Boyer) 19. 10:37 AM - Re: Corvair 5th Bearing (Gboothe5) 20. 11:28 AM - Re: Corvair Oil Filter Mounting Question - Gold Oil System (kevinpurtee) 21. 11:28 AM - Re: Corvair Oil Filter Mounting Question - Gold Oil System (kevinpurtee) 22. 12:02 PM - Re: Corvair 5th Bearing (Charles Campbell) 23. 12:11 PM - Re: Corvair 5th Bearing (Kip and Beth Gardner) 24. 12:11 PM - Re: Re: wings (Charles Campbell) 25. 12:20 PM - Re: Re: Corvair Oil Filter Mounting Question - Gold Oil System (Rick Holland) 26. 12:56 PM - Re: wings (AircamperN11MS) 27. 01:05 PM - Re: Corvair 5th Bearing (Gboothe5) 28. 01:54 PM - Re: Corvair 5th Bearing (Billy McCaskill) 29. 02:27 PM - Re: wings (K5YAC) 30. 02:44 PM - Re: Re: Corvair 5th Bearing (Gboothe5) 31. 02:47 PM - Re: Corvair 5th Bearing (Jack Phillips) 32. 03:54 PM - Re: Re: Corvair Oil Filter Mounting Question - Gold Oil System (Jim Boyer) 33. 05:08 PM - Re: wings (Bill Church) 34. 06:06 PM - Fuselage longeron (tdudley@umn.edu) 35. 06:28 PM - Re: Fuselage longeron (Bill Church) 36. 06:33 PM - Re: wings (Don Emch) 37. 07:01 PM - Re: Re: wings (Clif Dawson) 38. 07:17 PM - Re: Corvair 5th Bearing (shad bell) 39. 07:21 PM - Re: Fuselage longeron (shad bell) 40. 09:28 PM - Re: Re: Fuselage longeron (Amsafetyc@gmail.com) 41. 11:14 PM - Re: Fuselage longeron (tdudley@umn.edu) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 12:14:31 AM PST US From: "Clif Dawson" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Yaawwn.....new thread needed- Did you ever think........... Occam's Razor Corollary; If it's worked for hundreds of years don't screw with it. Also, if you want to continue this mind experiment to it's ridiculous conclusion, what have you done by drilling holes in bolts thereby compromising their structural integrity? :-) Oohh... now I've done it! Is your wife going to wake up tomorrow and find your pajamas filled with a mindless puddle........? Oohhhh no Mister Bill! Nasty Clif I have no intention of putting cotter pins through my nuts, thank you very much! Subject: Pietenpol-List: Yaawwn.....new thread needed- Did you ever think........... Did you ever think about how much faith is put into the lowly cotter pin? I warn you, if you dwell on this subject too long you will begin to scare yourself. I remember a few years ago when I did a test run of my engine and I had the airplane completely assembled (no cover) with all the castle nuts just hand tight. I have scared myself sufficiently, as to contemplate fabricating a "hybrid" safety mechanism for those hidden bellcrank connections............. How about this idea? Take a nylon lock nut, drill a cotter pin hole in it, so it can be threaded-on just short of being tight, and inserting a cotter pin. That way, you can have a nice warm, fuzzy, and secure feeling of having all those AN3 sized bolts double safetied. Dan Helsper Puryear, TN. ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com 03/28/11 ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 03:05:50 AM PST US From: "Charles Campbell" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: wings Thanks, Jack. I just E-mailed him and asked for his opinion. I sent him the same picture that started all the discussion. Chuck ----- Original Message ----- From: Jack Phillips To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Monday, March 28, 2011 9:55 PM Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: wings Chuck, as I recall you're in Winston-Salem, right? If I were you I would contact Eric Minnis, at the Greensboro FSDO. He's a homebuilder and very knowledgeable. He also is NOT your typical Fed (he refers to Oklahoma City as FAA Hindquarters). He can give you a more definitive ruling than any DAR. He's a good guy and will tell you the truth. Try eric.minnis@faa.gov Jack Phillips NX899JP "Icarus Plummet" Raleigh, NC ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Charles Campbell Sent: Monday, March 28, 2011 4:01 PM To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: wings What do the initials DAR stand for? It's designated aircraft R-------? I'm going to try to find the one for my area and I want it from the horse's mouth that he won't approve my wing before I do ANYTHING. ----- Original Message ----- From: Richard Schreiber To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Monday, March 28, 2011 1:39 PM Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: wings Gary: I with you on this one! It certainly would be devastating to wind out that the spars are not acceptable. Here are a couple of possibilities. 1. Consider the spars as toast. Carefully cut the spars between each rib, then using whatever means necessary, remove the spar materal from each of the ribs. It would be alot of work, but certainly less than rebuilding all of the ribs. 2. Junk the whole wing assembly and order another set of finished ribs. I know that Edgar Howe sells a nice set of completed ribs (either the original Pietenpol airfoil or the Riblett 612 for around $300. I know that I sure wouldn't have the heart to redo the ribs. Chuck, if you decide to order the ribs, Edgar can be reached at 219-508-6880. He also will be at Brodhead with ribs for sale. Regards, Rick Schreiber ----- Original Message ----- From: Gboothe5 To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: 3/28/2011 12:16:01 PM Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: wings I'm trying to visualize what it must be like for Chuck, when he realizes, or learns from his DAR or FAA inspector, that his spars are un-airworthy, and what the possible resolves are. Is it worth trying to save all those ribs and figure out a way to remove the spar without damaging each rib? For me it would be, but I know others who actually enjoy making those crazy things! How about you, Chuck? Are you interested in putting forth the question and getting some ideas on how to cut the ribs loose? Gary Boothe http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-Listhttp:/ /forums.matronics.comhttp://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------- - href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List">http://www.mat ronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-Listhref="http://forums.matronics.com">h ttp://forums.matronics.comhref="http://www.matronics.com/contribution"> http://www.matronics.com/c http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-Listhttp://forums.matronics. comhttp://www.matronics.com/contribution ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 03:09:33 AM PST US From: "Charles Campbell" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: wings OK, Jack. Let's wait and see what the FSDO has to say. I have about decided to go ahead and order spruce spar stock from A/S. I'll wait for now. I sent Eric the same picture that you saw. ----- Original Message ----- From: Jack Phillips To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Monday, March 28, 2011 10:34 PM Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: wings One advantage to having the FSDO do the inspection is that they will do it for free, where a DAR will charge as much as $500 for an inspection. And the FSDO can make an absolute ruling, where the DAR will always worry about the FSDO looking over his shoulder. And if you can wait a couple of weeks, I can come look at it for you. I am an EAA Tech Counselor. But I expect I can give you my ruling just from looking at the photos. I would not fly with such spars. Nor would I glue the ribs in place until the rest of the wing was built (and even then just tack them in place if anything). Jack Phillips NX899JP "Icarus Plummet" Raleigh, NC ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jack Phillips Sent: Monday, March 28, 2011 9:56 PM To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: wings Chuck, as I recall you're in Winston-Salem, right? If I were you I would contact Eric Minnis, at the Greensboro FSDO. He's a homebuilder and very knowledgeable. He also is NOT your typical Fed (he refers to Oklahoma City as FAA Hindquarters). He can give you a more definitive ruling than any DAR. He's a good guy and will tell you the truth. Try eric.minnis@faa.gov Jack Phillips NX899JP "Icarus Plummet" Raleigh, NC ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Charles Campbell Sent: Monday, March 28, 2011 4:01 PM To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: wings What do the initials DAR stand for? It's designated aircraft R-------? I'm going to try to find the one for my area and I want it from the horse's mouth that he won't approve my wing before I do ANYTHING. ----- Original Message ----- From: Richard Schreiber To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Monday, March 28, 2011 1:39 PM Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: wings Gary: I with you on this one! It certainly would be devastating to wind out that the spars are not acceptable. Here are a couple of possibilities. 1. Consider the spars as toast. Carefully cut the spars between each rib, then using whatever means necessary, remove the spar materal from each of the ribs. It would be alot of work, but certainly less than rebuilding all of the ribs. 2. Junk the whole wing assembly and order another set of finished ribs. I know that Edgar Howe sells a nice set of completed ribs (either the original Pietenpol airfoil or the Riblett 612 for around $300. I know that I sure wouldn't have the heart to redo the ribs. Chuck, if you decide to order the ribs, Edgar can be reached at 219-508-6880. He also will be at Brodhead with ribs for sale. Regards, Rick Schreiber ----- Original Message ----- From: Gboothe5 To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: 3/28/2011 12:16:01 PM Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: wings I'm trying to visualize what it must be like for Chuck, when he realizes, or learns from his DAR or FAA inspector, that his spars are un-airworthy, and what the possible resolves are. Is it worth trying to save all those ribs and figure out a way to remove the spar without damaging each rib? For me it would be, but I know others who actually enjoy making those crazy things! How about you, Chuck? Are you interested in putting forth the question and getting some ideas on how to cut the ribs loose? Gary Boothe http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-Listhttp:/ /forums.matronics.comhttp://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------- - href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List">http://www.mat ronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-Listhref="http://forums.matronics.com">h ttp://forums.matronics.comhref="http://www.matronics.com/contribution"> http://www.matronics.com/c http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List http://forums.matronics.com http://www.matronics.com/contribution ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 04:03:33 AM PST US From: "Jack" Subject: RE: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: wings Charles been there done that, hang in there. The tool here http://www.harborfreight.com/power-tools/multifunction-tools.html has helped me get through many tight cutting and sanding situations. Take care, Jack DSM -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Michael Perez Sent: Monday, March 28, 2011 7:12 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: wings I agree with Don. It's no fun re-doing something that is finished or close to it. I have re-made fittings and re-thought my methods of construction many times. Removing the rib upright that is epoxied to the spar is the easiest way to free the ribs from the spar. That can be done with a coping saw or that little hack saw blade holder you have seen me use.(web site) Then you only need to cut new cap strips, fit in place, add gussets. Michael Perez Karetaker Aero www.karetakeraero.com --- On Mon, 3/28/11, Don Emch wrote: > From: Don Emch > Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: wings > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > Date: Monday, March 28, 2011, 3:34 PM > --> Pietenpol-List message posted > by: "Don Emch" > > Hi Chuck, > > I really feel for you and the bad feeling you get at the > thought of re-doing something like this. It just > sucks! > > I know that Douglas Fir is supposedly stronger, but even > the rear spars don't appear to meet the specs. I > understand a big reason for the grain per inch spec has some > to do with warpage, but strength is a very big issue > too. Strength that is measureable and consistent is > found in spar examples that meet the specs. If you > don't meets those specs then you really don't know what you > have. > > Again the whole idea of re-doing something like this > sucks. I made center section fittings I didn't think > were good so I dismantled the whole centersection and built > new. Then there was the time the hangar collapsed on > the finished airplane and I had to rebuild. It just > sucks! > > Maybe you could cut the upright where the rib is glued to > the spar and then when replacing the spar you could just > splice in a new upright. That's how I rebuilt my > centersection. > > Don Emch > NX899DE > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=335315#335315 > > > > > > > > Email Forum - > FAQ, > - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS - > List Contribution Web Site - > -Matt > Dralle, List Admin. > > > > ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 04:24:31 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Almost done From: "Dangerous Dave" Chris,Its pretty easy to make the jig.Used 2 pieces of mdf,one to replicate the back of the engine with the center of thrust marked and drilled for Lord mounts,the other to do the same for the firewall with aluminum brackets bolted on where the engine mounts are,so a duplicate of the firewall.Then 2', 3/8" althread rods run through 1" square aluminum tubing cut to the exact length of the mount for spacers and rigidity and a 1x2 maple spacer on the bottom.Bolted on the mount tubing,cut up and notched the tubing and oxy-act welded the thing together.Took 10 hrs,came out perfect.dave -------- Covering Piet Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=335384#335384 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/2011_03_26_16_52_00_318_130.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/2011_03_26_16_50_16_377_189.jpg ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 04:57:03 AM PST US From: "Jack" Subject: RE: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: wings Chuck, If you do glue the ribs I would suggest waiting until the wing parts are done, I slid mine off and on the spars no less than 10 times through construction. This is also true for most of the ship. To date my seats and turtle deck are just clamped. Jack DSM www.textors.com _____ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Charles Campbell Sent: Monday, March 28, 2011 8:10 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: wings Thanks, Shad. Good advice! ----- Original Message ----- From: shad bell Sent: Monday, March 28, 2011 6:46 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: wings Chuck, I can relate to hating having to rebuild completed parts for your airplane. I am in the process of making new landing gear shock struts, which were "done". The hardest part of this airplane building thing, is being honest with yourself. I know how easy it is to talk yourself into saying "It will be alright". If you have to spend a few dollars to rebuild your wings do it. It is cheaper than rebuilding your whole, completed airplane wen it fails, and you will be hating yourself wishing you had rebuilt the spars. It is all part of the experiance. It won't be as hard as you think. Put pride aside, an ounce of prevension, is worth a ton of fixing later. Just my humble oppinion, Shad href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List">http://www.matronic s.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 05:42:47 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Corvair Oil Filter Mounting Question - Gold Oil System From: "kevinpurtee" Hi - I'm installing the Weseman 5th bearing and have acquired WW's gold oil filter adapter to facilitate getting oil to the new bearing. When I bought the K&N 1008 oil filter I noticed I had two female threads - one in the filter & one in the adapter. If any of you have installed this system can you tell me what you used for the double male fitting to connect the filter and the housing? Honestly, the piece may have come with the adapter and it may be in the box and I have dug that far. Haven't been to the hangar to be able to check, though. I'll gladly take my beatings if that's the case. I posted this on the corvair list and got nuthin'. Didn't ask WW 'cause he's at Sun & Fun and likely not checking e-mail. Thanks, Kevin -------- Kevin "Axel" Purtee NX899KP Austin/Georgetown, TX Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=335389#335389 ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 06:26:20 AM PST US From: "Charles Campbell" Subject: Re: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: wings Way to go! You are so far ahead of me, and this latest thing with my wing spars is going to set me back some more. I was hoping to finish everything and fly off the test phase in time to fly to William Wynne's 'Corvair College' in Barnwell SC in November. Oh well, maybe I can just drive down! Chuck ----- Original Message ----- From: Jack To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Tuesday, March 29, 2011 7:32 AM Subject: RE: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: wings Chuck, If you do glue the ribs I would suggest waiting until the wing parts are done, I slid mine off and on the spars no less than 10 times through construction. This is also true for most of the ship. To date my seats and turtle deck are just clamped. Jack DSM www.textors.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Charles Campbell Sent: Monday, March 28, 2011 8:10 PM To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: wings Thanks, Shad. Good advice! ----- Original Message ----- From: shad bell To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Monday, March 28, 2011 6:46 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: wings Chuck, I can relate to hating having to rebuild completed parts for your airplane. I am in the process of making new landing gear shock struts, which were "done". The hardest part of this airplane building thing, is being honest with yourself. I know how easy it is to talk yourself into saying "It will be alright". If you have to spend a few dollars to rebuild your wings do it. It is cheaper than rebuilding your whole, completed airplane wen it fails, and you will be hating yourself wishing you had rebuilt the spars. It is all part of the experiance. It won't be as hard as you think. Put pride aside, an ounce of prevension, is worth a ton of fixing later. Just my humble oppinion, Shad href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List">http://www.mat ronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-Listhref="http://forums.matronics.com">h ttp://forums.matronics.comhref="http://www.matronics.com/contribution"> http://www.matronics.com/c http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-Listhttp://forums.matronics. comhttp://www.matronics.com/contribution ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 07:01:49 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Corvair Oil Filter Mounting Question - Gold Oil System From: Ryan Mueller Hey Kevin, I'm pretty sure that male/male adapter is in the box (or is supposed to be in the box, at least). I recall seeing an adapter like that when I had my conversion parts, and I'm pretty sure it came with the gold oil system parts.... Ryan On Tue, Mar 29, 2011 at 7:18 AM, kevinpurtee wrote: > kevin.purtee@us.army.mil> > > Hi - I'm installing the Weseman 5th bearing and have acquired WW's gold oil > filter adapter to facilitate getting oil to the new bearing. When I bought > the K&N 1008 oil filter I noticed I had two female threads - one in the > filter & one in the adapter. If any of you have installed this system can > you tell me what you used for the double male fitting to connect the filter > and the housing? > > Honestly, the piece may have come with the adapter and it may be in the box > and I have dug that far. Haven't been to the hangar to be able to check, > though. I'll gladly take my beatings if that's the case. > > I posted this on the corvair list and got nuthin'. Didn't ask WW 'cause > he's at Sun & Fun and likely not checking e-mail. > > Thanks, > Kevin > > -------- > Kevin "Axel" Purtee > NX899KP > Austin/Georgetown, TX > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=335389#335389 > > ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 07:04:47 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Corvair Oil Filter Mounting Question - Gold Oil System From: Rick Holland Kevin If you are not use the sandwich adapter with the gold oil thing you need to get a male-to-male adapter from WW. Its the same thing used to attach the sandwich adapter. btw, I am also going with the Weseman bearing, would be interested in hearing about your experience installing it, and also are you upgrading to a higher flow oil pump? Dan said it may or may not be needed with his bearing. rick On Tue, Mar 29, 2011 at 6:18 AM, kevinpurtee wrote: > kevin.purtee@us.army.mil> > > Hi - I'm installing the Weseman 5th bearing and have acquired WW's gold oil > filter adapter to facilitate getting oil to the new bearing. When I bought > the K&N 1008 oil filter I noticed I had two female threads - one in the > filter & one in the adapter. If any of you have installed this system can > you tell me what you used for the double male fitting to connect the filter > and the housing? > > Honestly, the piece may have come with the adapter and it may be in the box > and I have dug that far. Haven't been to the hangar to be able to check, > though. I'll gladly take my beatings if that's the case. > > I posted this on the corvair list and got nuthin'. Didn't ask WW 'cause > he's at Sun & Fun and likely not checking e-mail. > > Thanks, > Kevin > > -------- > Kevin "Axel" Purtee > NX899KP > Austin/Georgetown, TX > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=335389#335389 > > -- Rick Holland Castle Rock, Colorado "A Foolish Consistency is the Hobgoblin of Little Minds" ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 07:12:43 AM PST US Subject: Re: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Rounded Seat for Delrin Needle, Stromberg Carb, Conti... From: curtdm@gmail.com Hey Dave, My address is: Curtis Merdan 5304 Townsend Dr. Flower Mound, TX 75028 If you hear from Matt Paxton after you send it, let me know. It was offered to him first, and I'm not up for any internet brawls. I do have a lead on another seat but he hasn't opened up his parts carb to find out what kind he has. Thanks, Curtis Merdan On Mar 28, 2011 12:57pm, SENTUCHOWS@aol.com wrote: > Curt > I have not heard from Mike. If you want the needle > seat let me know. Just send me your address. > Dave ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 07:12:54 AM PST US From: "Gboothe5" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Corvair Oil Filter Mounting Question - Gold Oil System Best picture I could find, Kevin. I'll bet it's in the box... Gary -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of kevinpurtee Sent: Tuesday, March 29, 2011 5:19 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Corvair Oil Filter Mounting Question - Gold Oil System Hi - I'm installing the Weseman 5th bearing and have acquired WW's gold oil filter adapter to facilitate getting oil to the new bearing. When I bought the K&N 1008 oil filter I noticed I had two female threads - one in the filter & one in the adapter. If any of you have installed this system can you tell me what you used for the double male fitting to connect the filter and the housing? Honestly, the piece may have come with the adapter and it may be in the box and I have dug that far. Haven't been to the hangar to be able to check, though. I'll gladly take my beatings if that's the case. I posted this on the corvair list and got nuthin'. Didn't ask WW 'cause he's at Sun & Fun and likely not checking e-mail. Thanks, Kevin -------- Kevin "Axel" Purtee NX899KP Austin/Georgetown, TX Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=335389#335389 ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 07:25:07 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: wings From: "AircamperN11MS" Hi Chuck, I am also an EAA Tech Counselor. I have been doing it for the past 15 years or so and I am glad to hear that you are getting some outside help from all possible resources. Kudo's to you. If I came out and looked at you wings, I would also refer you to 43.13 and suggest new spars. But keep in mind that EAA Tech Counselors can only offer suggestions and help you make safe building decisions. I have found many unsafe conditions, even in the Kit airplanes. Don't beat yourself up over it. The advice from this group is right on and certainly makes this forum worth its weight in gold. Keep listening and asking questions and you will have a nice airplane that you will feel safe flying in and be proud of. -------- Scott Liefeld Flying N11MS since March 1972 Steel Tube C-85-12 Wire Wheels Brodhead in 1996 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=335393#335393 ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 07:30:09 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: West Coast Pietenpol Gathering From: "AircamperN11MS" Very nice, Now you're getting it! "oh! and we have 3 hours ground run time on our six cylinder "aircraft engine" -------- Scott Liefeld Flying N11MS since March 1972 Steel Tube C-85-12 Wire Wheels Brodhead in 1996 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=335395#335395 ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 08:27:18 AM PST US From: "Jack Phillips" Subject: Pietenpol-List: Corvair 5th Bearing Hello, Fellow Lovers of the Corvair! Last week I spent several days in Beautiful West Tennessee as my good friend Gene Pennington used to describe it, helping my mother do a bunch of repairs around the house. At age 87, she=92s not much good on a ladder anymore so I try to help her out every now and then. While there, I managed to squeeze in a visit with Randy Bush and got to see his Pietenpol after its =93Crank Snapping=94 episode. Randy installed the 5th bearing from Roy=92s Garage and I must say I=92m impressed with the design and workmanship (both Roy=92s and Randy=92s). If you must fly behind a six cylinder engine that was never intended to go in an airplane, I would certainly recommend adding the 5th bearing, and if you can, I would use the one from Roy=92s Garage. It is more trouble to install, requiring tearing the engine down completely, but provides more bearing area where you need it. It also adds about an inch or so to the overall length of the engine, requiring some cowling modification, but I think it is a good design ' almost as good as a real airplane engine. I had hoped to fly Randy=92s plane (he offered, but it was only 41=B0 and I had not brought any cold-weather clothing except a jacket), but look forward to flying it at Brodhead. I want to see for myself what a Pietenpol feels like with 100 hp of smooth 6-cylinder power. As long as there are plenty of good fields for forced landings around=85 Now if it will just warm up a few more degrees, I=92ll fly my Pietenpol back over the mountains to Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia, this afternoon. Jack Phillips NX899JP =93Icarus Plummet=94 Raleigh, NC ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 08:30:08 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Corvair Oil Filter Mounting Question - Gold Oil System From: "kevinpurtee" Thanks all. No doubt the thing's in the box. Ryan & Gary - Thanks for the pics. Rick - I had to read the instructions a few times but it appears to be a pretty straight-forward installation. I'm waiting on the install kit from the Wesemans & hope to install it this weekend. Will let you know how it goes. I'm going to install it & see what the oil pressure does. If it drops a noticeable amount I'll ask Dan what his recommendation is. I'm guessing higher volume pumps are available. Thanks again, Kevin -------- Kevin "Axel" Purtee NX899KP Austin/Georgetown, TX Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=335402#335402 ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 08:33:28 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: West Coast Pietenpol Gathering From: "kevinpurtee" Ya know, if I could just get you guys and Shad Bell to move to Austin it'd be a lot easier for me to attend your gatherings...... do not archive, ever -------- Kevin "Axel" Purtee NX899KP Austin/Georgetown, TX Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=335403#335403 ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 09:17:43 AM PST US From: Jim Boyer Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Corvair Oil Filter Mounting Question - Gold Oil System Hi Kevin, I got the double male fitting with the gold oil system from william. How is the 5th bearing installation coming? Are you done with it now? Jim B. do not archive ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 10:37:07 AM PST US From: "Gboothe5" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Corvair 5th Bearing Jack, I continue to garner new-found respect for you!! I hope your experience with Corvair-powered A/C continues to be=85comfortable. Gary Do not archive From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jack Phillips Sent: Tuesday, March 29, 2011 7:57 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Corvair 5th Bearing Hello, Fellow Lovers of the Corvair! Last week I spent several days in Beautiful West Tennessee as my good friend Gene Pennington used to describe it, helping my mother do a bunch of repairs around the house. At age 87, she=92s not much good on a ladder anymore so I try to help her out every now and then. While there, I managed to squeeze in a visit with Randy Bush and got to see his Pietenpol after its =93Crank Snapping=94 episode. Randy installed the 5th bearing from Roy=92s Garage and I must say I=92m impressed with the design and workmanship (both Roy=92s and Randy=92s). If you must fly behind a six cylinder engine that was never intended to go in an airplane, I would certainly recommend adding the 5th bearing, and if you can, I would use the one from Roy=92s Garage. It is more trouble to install, requiring tearing the engine down completely, but provides more bearing area where you need it. It also adds about an inch or so to the overall length of the engine, requiring some cowling modification, but I think it is a good design ' almost as good as a real airplane engine. I had hoped to fly Randy=92s plane (he offered, but it was only 41=B0 and I had not brought any cold-weather clothing except a jacket), but look forward to flying it at Brodhead. I want to see for myself what a Pietenpol feels like with 100 hp of smooth 6-cylinder power. As long as there are plenty of good fields for forced landings around=85 Now if it will just warm up a few more degrees, I=92ll fly my Pietenpol back over the mountains to Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia, this afternoon. Jack Phillips NX899JP =93Icarus Plummet=94 Raleigh, NC ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 11:28:01 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Corvair Oil Filter Mounting Question - Gold Oil System From: "kevinpurtee" Ya know, Jim, I'm pretty sure it's sitting in the box that I haven't dug through completely. I love confirming that I'm a dumb@** in public. Gonna go to the hangar today & make sure I actually have it, though I have no reason to believe it's not there. 5th bearing: waiting on the install kit from the Wesemans. It's supposed to be here. Anyway, assuming I have the install kit, I think I'll have the bearing installed this weekend & should have the motor back together as well. That leaves with getting an oil line to go from the gold oil thingy to the 5th bearing and making whatever mod's to the cowl. The heads are back from Roy & they look spectacular. What did you do for the oil line? -------- Kevin "Axel" Purtee NX899KP Austin/Georgetown, TX Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=335412#335412 ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 11:28:19 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Corvair Oil Filter Mounting Question - Gold Oil System From: "kevinpurtee" Ya know, Jim, I'm pretty sure it's sitting in the box that I haven't dug through completely. I love confirming that I'm a dumb@** in public. Gonna go to the hangar today & make sure I actually have it, though I have no reason to believe it's not there. 5th bearing: waiting on the install kit from the Wesemans. It's supposed to be here. Anyway, assuming I have the install kit, I think I'll have the bearing installed this weekend & should have the motor back together as well. That leaves with getting an oil line to go from the gold oil thingy to the 5th bearing and making whatever mod's to the cowl. The heads are back from Roy & they look spectacular. What did you do for the oil line? -------- Kevin "Axel" Purtee NX899KP Austin/Georgetown, TX Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=335411#335411 ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 12:02:17 PM PST US From: "Charles Campbell" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Corvair 5th Bearing Corvair 5th Bearing"FELLOW" lovers. Come now! ----- Original Message ----- From: Jack Phillips To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Tuesday, March 29, 2011 10:57 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Corvair 5th Bearing Hello, Fellow Lovers of the Corvair! Last week I spent several days in Beautiful West Tennessee as my good friend Gene Pennington used to describe it, helping my mother do a bunch of repairs around the house. At age 87, she's not much good on a ladder anymore so I try to help her out every now and then. While there, I managed to squeeze in a visit with Randy Bush and got to see his Pietenpol after its "Crank Snapping" episode. Randy installed the 5th bearing from Roy's Garage and I must say I'm impressed with the design and workmanship (both Roy's and Randy's). If you must fly behind a six cylinder engine that was never intended to go in an airplane, I would certainly recommend adding the 5th bearing, and if you can, I would use the one from Roy's Garage. It is more trouble to install, requiring tearing the engine down completely, but provides more bearing area where you need it. It also adds about an inch or so to the overall length of the engine, requiring some cowling modification, but I think it is a good design - almost as good as a real airplane engine. I had hoped to fly Randy's plane (he offered, but it was only 41=B0 and I had not brought any cold-weather clothing except a jacket), but look forward to flying it at Brodhead. I want to see for myself what a Pietenpol feels like with 100 hp of smooth 6-cylinder power. As long as there are plenty of good fields for forced landings around. Now if it will just warm up a few more degrees, I'll fly my Pietenpol back over the mountains to Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia, this afternoon. Jack Phillips NX899JP "Icarus Plummet" Raleigh, NC ________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ Time: 12:11:26 PM PST US From: Kip and Beth Gardner Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Corvair 5th Bearing It must suddenly be cold in Hell. Do not Archive Kip Gardner On Mar 29, 2011, at 10:57 AM, Jack Phillips wrote: > Hello, Fellow Lovers of the Corvair! > > Last week I spent several days in Beautiful West Tennessee as my > good friend Gene Pennington used to describe it, helping my mother > do a bunch of repairs around the house. At age 87, she=92s not much > good on a ladder anymore so I try to help her out every now and then. > > While there, I managed to squeeze in a visit with Randy Bush and got > to see his Pietenpol after its =93Crank Snapping=94 episode. Randy > installed the 5th bearing from Roy=92s Garage and I must say I=92m > impressed with the design and workmanship (both Roy=92s and Randy=92s). > If you must fly behind a six cylinder engine that was never intended > to go in an airplane, I would certainly recommend adding the 5th > bearing, and if you can, I would use the one from Roy=92s Garage. It > is more trouble to install, requiring tearing the engine down > completely, but provides more bearing area where you need it. It > also adds about an inch or so to the overall length of the engine, > requiring some cowling modification, but I think it is a good design > ' almost as good as a real airplane engine. > > I had hoped to fly Randy=92s plane (he offered, but it was only 41=B0 > and I had not brought any cold-weather clothing except a jacket), > but look forward to flying it at Brodhead. I want to see for myself > what a Pietenpol feels like with 100 hp of smooth 6-cylinder power. > As long as there are plenty of good fields for forced landings around=85 > > Now if it will just warm up a few more degrees, I=92ll fly my > Pietenpol back over the mountains to Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia, > this afternoon. > > Jack Phillips > > NX899JP =93Icarus Plummet=94 > > Raleigh, NC > > ________________________________ Message 24 ____________________________________ Time: 12:11:47 PM PST US From: "Charles Campbell" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: wings At the advice of Jack Phillips, who is also an EAA Tech Counselor, I ordered a set of spruce spars this morning from A/S. Incidentally, Jack recommended I contact a friend of his who is in the FSDO in Greensboro, about 30 miles east of me - which I did. He also recommended very strongly that I replace the spars. Thanks for your concern. As soon as the new wood gets here that problem will be solved. Chuck ----- Original Message ----- From: "AircamperN11MS" Sent: Tuesday, March 29, 2011 10:01 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: wings > > > Hi Chuck, > > I am also an EAA Tech Counselor. I have been doing it for the past 15 > years or so and I am glad to hear that you are getting some outside help > from all possible resources. Kudo's to you. > > If I came out and looked at you wings, I would also refer you to 43.13 and > suggest new spars. But keep in mind that EAA Tech Counselors can only > offer suggestions and help you make safe building decisions. I have found > many unsafe conditions, even in the Kit airplanes. Don't beat yourself up > over it. > > The advice from this group is right on and certainly makes this forum > worth its weight in gold. Keep listening and asking questions and you > will have a nice airplane that you will feel safe flying in and be proud > of. > > -------- > Scott Liefeld > Flying N11MS since March 1972 > Steel Tube > C-85-12 > Wire Wheels > Brodhead in 1996 > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=335393#335393 > > > ________________________________ Message 25 ____________________________________ Time: 12:20:21 PM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Corvair Oil Filter Mounting Question - Gold Oil System From: Rick Holland Yes, Dan said Clarks has a high flow oil pump kit if needed. rick On Tue, Mar 29, 2011 at 9:06 AM, kevinpurtee wrote: > kevin.purtee@us.army.mil> > > Thanks all. No doubt the thing's in the box. > > Ryan & Gary - Thanks for the pics. > > Rick - I had to read the instructions a few times but it appears to be a > pretty straight-forward installation. I'm waiting on the install kit from > the Wesemans & hope to install it this weekend. Will let you know how it > goes. I'm going to install it & see what the oil pressure does. If it > drops a noticeable amount I'll ask Dan what his recommendation is. I'm > guessing higher volume pumps are available. > > Thanks again, > Kevin > > -------- > Kevin "Axel" Purtee > NX899KP > Austin/Georgetown, TX > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=335402#335402 > > -- Rick Holland Castle Rock, Colorado "A Foolish Consistency is the Hobgoblin of Little Minds" ________________________________ Message 26 ____________________________________ Time: 12:56:28 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: wings From: "AircamperN11MS" Fantastic. I can't wait to see the new Pics. -------- Scott Liefeld Flying N11MS since March 1972 Steel Tube C-85-12 Wire Wheels Brodhead in 1996 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=335422#335422 ________________________________ Message 27 ____________________________________ Time: 01:05:17 PM PST US From: "Gboothe5" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Corvair 5th Bearing Chuck, He=92s coming out of the closet=85..be gentle. Gary Do not archive From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Charles Campbell Sent: Tuesday, March 29, 2011 11:31 AM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Corvair 5th Bearing "FELLOW" lovers. Come now! ----- Original Message ----- From: Jack Phillips Sent: Tuesday, March 29, 2011 10:57 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Corvair 5th Bearing Hello, Fellow Lovers of the Corvair! Last week I spent several days in Beautiful West Tennessee as my good friend Gene Pennington used to describe it, helping my mother do a bunch of repairs around the house. At age 87, she=92s not much good on a ladder anymore so I try to help her out every now and then. While there, I managed to squeeze in a visit with Randy Bush and got to see his Pietenpol after its =93Crank Snapping=94 episode. Randy installed the 5th bearing from Roy=92s Garage and I must say I=92m impressed with the design and workmanship (both Roy=92s and Randy=92s). If you must fly behind a six cylinder engine that was never intended to go in an airplane, I would certainly recommend adding the 5th bearing, and if you can, I would use the one from Roy=92s Garage. It is more trouble to install, requiring tearing the engine down completely, but provides more bearing area where you need it. It also adds about an inch or so to the overall length of the engine, requiring some cowling modification, but I think it is a good design ' almost as good as a real airplane engine. I had hoped to fly Randy=92s plane (he offered, but it was only 41=B0 and I had not brought any cold-weather clothing except a jacket), but look forward to flying it at Brodhead. I want to see for myself what a Pietenpol feels like with 100 hp of smooth 6-cylinder power. As long as there are plenty of good fields for forced landings around=85 Now if it will just warm up a few more degrees, I=92ll fly my Pietenpol back over the mountains to Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia, this afternoon. Jack Phillips NX899JP =93Icarus Plummet=94 Raleigh, NC href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List">http://www.mat ronic s.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c ________________________________ Message 28 ____________________________________ Time: 01:54:42 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Corvair 5th Bearing From: "Billy McCaskill" His resistance is weakening! Keep wearing him down fellow CSCS'ers! He will eventually come over to the dark side... do not archive -------- Billy McCaskill Urbana, IL tail section almost done, starting on ribs soon Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=335428#335428 ________________________________ Message 29 ____________________________________ Time: 02:27:55 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: wings From: "K5YAC" Way to go Chuck! Don't let it get you down... I'm pretty sure that everyone has probably stumbled at some point in their project... good to see that you aren't going to lose another minute fretting over it. As we use to say in the paratroops... adapt, improvise and overcome. I know it probably doesn't feel too good right now, but you obviously realize that you'll be happier in the long run. I recently had to scrap an idea that I had my heart set on (my aluminum control horns)... I had a lot of time invested in those parts, but due to the reasoning that some offered here (and locally) I thought it was for the best. Honestly, the reviews were mixed, and even some that were against the idea admitted that they would probably hold up well... but it was that "probably" part that bothered all of us... not to mention that my welds (much like your spars) would be covered and unable to be inspected thoroughly. You've made the right choice... keep pressing on. -------- Mark Chouinard Wings, Center Section and Empannage framed up - Working on Fuselage Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=335432#335432 ________________________________ Message 30 ____________________________________ Time: 02:44:58 PM PST US From: "Gboothe5" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Corvair 5th Bearing The force is strong with this one! Do not archive -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Billy McCaskill Sent: Tuesday, March 29, 2011 1:33 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Corvair 5th Bearing His resistance is weakening! Keep wearing him down fellow CSCS'ers! He will eventually come over to the dark side... do not archive -------- Billy McCaskill Urbana, IL tail section almost done, starting on ribs soon Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=335428#335428 ________________________________ Message 31 ____________________________________ Time: 02:47:06 PM PST US From: "Jack Phillips" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Corvair 5th Bearing =85as long as there=92s a safe place for a forced landing. Jack Phillips NX899JP =93Icarus Plummet=94 Raleigh, NC _____ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gboothe5 Sent: Tuesday, March 29, 2011 12:20 PM Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Corvair 5th Bearing Jack, I continue to garner new-found respect for you!! I hope your experience with Corvair-powered A/C continues to be=85comfortable. Gary Do not archive From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jack Phillips Sent: Tuesday, March 29, 2011 7:57 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Corvair 5th Bearing Hello, Fellow Lovers of the Corvair! Last week I spent several days in Beautiful West Tennessee as my good friend Gene Pennington used to describe it, helping my mother do a bunch of repairs around the house. At age 87, she=92s not much good on a ladder anymore so I try to help her out every now and then. While there, I managed to squeeze in a visit with Randy Bush and got to see his Pietenpol after its =93Crank Snapping=94 episode. Randy installed the 5th bearing from Roy=92s Garage and I must say I=92m impressed with the design and workmanship (both Roy=92s and Randy=92s). If you must fly behind a six cylinder engine that was never intended to go in an airplane, I would certainly recommend adding the 5th bearing, and if you can, I would use the one from Roy=92s Garage. It is more trouble to install, requiring tearing the engine down completely, but provides more bearing area where you need it. It also adds about an inch or so to the overall length of the engine, requiring some cowling modification, but I think it is a good design ' almost as good as a real airplane engine. I had hoped to fly Randy=92s plane (he offered, but it was only 41=B0 and I had not brought any cold-weather clothing except a jacket), but look forward to flying it at Brodhead. I want to see for myself what a Pietenpol feels like with 100 hp of smooth 6-cylinder power. As long as there are plenty of good fields for forced landings around=85 Now if it will just warm up a few more degrees, I=92ll fly my Pietenpol back over the mountains to Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia, this afternoon. Jack Phillips NX899JP =93Icarus Plummet=94 Raleigh, NC http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List http://forums.matronics.com http://www.matronics.com/contribution ________________________________ Message 32 ____________________________________ Time: 03:54:12 PM PST US From: Jim Boyer Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Corvair Oil Filter Mounting Question - Gold Oil System Hi Kevin, I ordered the flexible braided line from Summit Racing. I=C2- think it is Earls brand. I will look tonight and verify the brand when I get home. I g ot all the fittings from Summit which I think William lists in his 601 fire wall forward book. Cheers, Jim ________________________________ Message 33 ____________________________________ Time: 05:08:38 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: wings From: "Bill Church" Excellent news, Chuck (well, sort of). What I mean is that you have made a wise choice, and that there are without doubt, a number of List members that are breathing a collective sigh of relief. You were making some of us nervous. The "sort of" comment above refers to the fact that you've had to take a step or two backwards in your project - so that part isn't such good news for you. However, I have a feeling that when you get those "real" spars, you'll feel a whole lot better. While some of the comments may have been a little hard to take, they were all made out of honest concern for you and your plane. Glad to hear of your decision. Bill C. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=335449#335449 ________________________________ Message 34 ____________________________________ Time: 06:06:38 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Fuselage longeron From: "tdudley@umn.edu" I jigged the extended fuselage last night and was laying in the longerons. Am I the only one who has trouble getting the bottom longeron's curve to fit in the jig? Seems to me I read that bending the lower longeron wasn't too much a problem and it didn't need to be soaked. Maybe my hands can't generate enough pressure on the clamps. I guess I was planning on soaking the end of the longeron overnight in a PVC pipe unless there are other suggestions. Thanks, Tom Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=335454#335454 ________________________________ Message 35 ____________________________________ Time: 06:28:31 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Fuselage longeron From: "Bill Church" Tom, The bottom longeron (especially for the extended fuselage) doesn't have that much curvature, really. It shouldn't need any steaming or soaking. What "pressure on the clamps" are you referring to? Just screw a few blocks of wood (1 inch thick) along the profile of the longeron (a few on the outside, near the front, and more, on the inside, as needed), and the 1" x 1" should just slip in between. See attached photo for reference. Bill C. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=335461#335461 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/fuse_side_in_jig_201.jpg ________________________________ Message 36 ____________________________________ Time: 06:33:28 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: wings From: "Don Emch" Great Chuck! Before you know it you'll have those wings together! Don Emch NX899DE Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=335462#335462 ________________________________ Message 37 ____________________________________ Time: 07:01:02 PM PST US From: "Clif Dawson" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: wings Second that. I went back for another look and something I haven't seen stressed is the grain orientation. On those boards it appears to me that some of it is at least 45. I don't know how much you know about this stuff so bear with me. If you took a stack of 50 sheets of paper the "face" is the top sheet and the "edge" then is looking at the stack from the side. In a board this would be "face" grain. Now if you piled up a stack 5 ft tall then the reverse is true, the top is now the edge and the 5 ft side is the face. This is "edge" grain or vertical grain. THIS is what you want your board to look like! At least as much as possible. Personaly in my anal retentive way I won't use anything that has a grain angle of more than 15 off that. You're a good man Chuck. You faced down this big fat demon. Bit the nasty bullet and won. Clif a number of List members that are breathing a collective sigh of relief. You were making some of us nervous. > The "sort of" comment above refers to the fact that you've had to take a > step or two backwards in your project - so that part isn't such good news > for you. However, I have a feeling that when you get those "real" spars, > you'll feel a whole lot better. > > Bill C. > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=335449#335449 > > > ----- > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > ________________________________ Message 38 ____________________________________ Time: 07:17:38 PM PST US From: shad bell Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Corvair 5th Bearing Jack, just make sure you wear earplugs, if the crank doesn't break in the 1 st 2 minutes, you'll be deaf.=C2- I forgot to put mine in (when not weari ng headsets) and coudln't take it after about 5 min, so I turned around and landed to get them and put them in! =C2- Shad =C2- p.s. I need a ride in a 65 powered piet, it would be fun to compare the per formance.=C2- Mike Cuy and I flew togeather a couple years ago around Cle veland=C2-and I was surprized how quick he climbed out and caught up to m e.=C2- Build Light! --- On Tue, 3/29/11, Jack Phillips wrote: From: Jack Phillips Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Corvair 5th Bearing as long as there=99s a safe place for a forced landing. =C2- Jack Phillips NX899JP =9CIcarus Plummet=9D Raleigh, NC =C2- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-lis t-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gboothe5 Sent: Tuesday, March 29, 2011 12:20 PM Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Corvair 5th Bearing =C2- Jack, =C2- I continue to garner new-found respect for you!! I hope your experience wit h Corvair-powered A/C continues to becomfortable. =C2- Gary Do not archive =C2- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-lis t-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jack Phillips Sent: Tuesday, March 29, 2011 7:57 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Corvair 5th Bearing =C2- Hello, Fellow Lovers of the Corvair! Last week I spent several days in Beautiful West Tennessee as my good frien d Gene Pennington used to describe it, helping my mother do a bunch of repa irs around the house.=C2- At age 87, she=99s not much good on a lad der anymore so I try to help her out every now and then. While there, I managed to squeeze in a visit with Randy Bush and got to see his Pietenpol after its =9CCrank Snapping=9D episode.=C2- Ra ndy installed the 5th bearing from Roy =99s Garage and I must say I =99m impressed with the design and workmanship (both Roy=99s an d Randy=99s).=C2- If you must fly behind a six cylinder engine that was never intended to go in an airplane, I would certainly recommend addin g the 5th bearing, and if you can, I would use the one from Roy =99s Garage.=C2- It is more trouble to install, requiring tearing the engine d own completely, but provides more bearing area where you need it.=C2- It also adds about an inch or so to the overall length of the engine, requirin g some cowling modification, but I think it is a good design =93 almo st as good as a real airplane engine. I had hoped to fly Randy=99s plane (he offered, but it was only 41=C2 =B0 and I had not brought any cold-weather clothing except a jacket), but l ook forward to flying it at Brodhead.=C2- I want to see for myself what a Pietenpol feels like with 100 hp of smooth 6-cylinder power.=C2- As long as there are plenty of good fields for forced landings around Now if it will just warm up a few more degrees, I=99ll fly my Pietenp ol back over the mountains to Smith Mountain Lake , Virginia , this afterno on. Jack Phillips NX899JP=C2- =9CIcarus Plummet=9D Raleigh, NC =C2- =C2- =C2-http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpo l-List =C2-http://forums.matronics.com =C2-http://www.matronics.com/con tribution =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2-http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pie tenpol-Listhttp://forums.matronics.comhttp://www.matronics.com/contribution =C2- =0A=0A=0A ________________________________ Message 39 ____________________________________ Time: 07:21:01 PM PST US From: shad bell Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Fuselage longeron Soaking would work fine, I don't remember Dad soaking his though, just had to push it into the jig.- Just make sure to let it dry for a few days bef ore gluing it. - Shad. --- On Tue, 3/29/11, tdudley@umn.edu wrote: From: tdudley@umn.edu Subject: Pietenpol-List: Fuselage longeron I jigged the extended fuselage last night and was laying in the longerons. - Am I the only one who has trouble getting the bottom longeron's curve t o fit in the jig?- Seems to me I read that bending the lower longeron was n't too much a problem and it didn't need to be soaked.- Maybe my hands c an't generate enough pressure on the clamps.- I guess I was planning on s oaking the end of the longeron overnight in a PVC pipe unless there are oth er suggestions. Thanks, Tom Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=335454#335454 le, List Admin. =0A=0A=0A ________________________________ Message 40 ____________________________________ Time: 09:28:07 PM PST US From: "Amsafetyc@gmail.com" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Fuselage longeron Pretty much the same method I used and had no problems at all. Stop blocks on the bench worked out perfectly John Sent via DROID on Verizon Wireless -----Original message----- From: Bill Church Sent: Wed, Mar 30, 2011 01:42:29 GMT+00:00 Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Fuselage longeron Tom, The bottom longeron (especially for the extended fuselage) doesn't have that much curvature, really. It shouldn't need any steaming or soaking. What "pressure on the clamps" are you referring to? Just screw a few blocks of wood (1 inch thick) along the profile of the longeron (a few on the outside, near the front, and more, on the inside, as needed), and the 1" x 1" should just slip in between. See attached photo for reference. Bill C. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=335461#335461 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/fuse_side_in_jig_201.jpg ________________________________ Message 41 ____________________________________ Time: 11:14:19 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Fuselage longeron From: "tdudley@umn.edu" I appreciate your input. My post was "thinking out loud", but your responses helped. Funny how a small mis-measurement can change the bend angle of the longeron. A dumb mistake on my part, but the best part of this list is being able to voice a question, get a simple answer, and double-check your thinking. I re-measured (correctly this time), and the bend is as simple as stated. I appreciate the help. I sure as hell didn't get a Ph.D. in using a ruler! 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