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1. 03:13 AM - Corvair blocks/bits (heavyliftpilot)
2. 05:11 AM - Re: Corvair blocks/bits (jarheadpilot82)
3. 05:12 AM - Re: Corvair blocks/bits (jarheadpilot82)
4. 05:38 AM - Re: Corvair blocks/bits (echobravo4)
5. 06:27 AM - Re: Re: Corvair blocks/bits (james theissen)
6. 06:29 AM - Re: Re: Corvair blocks/bits (james theissen)
7. 06:38 AM - Re: Corvair blocks/bits (heavyliftpilot)
8. 06:42 AM - Re: Corvair blocks/bits (heavyliftpilot)
9. 06:43 AM - S2S, S4S, or what? (jarheadpilot82)
10. 07:22 AM - Re: Kyle and Amanda Franklin (Larry Vetter)
11. 07:27 AM - Re: S2S, S4S, or what? (kevinpurtee)
12. 07:31 AM - Re: S2S, S4S, or what? (Scott Knowlton)
13. 07:43 AM - Re: S2S, S4S, or what? (Bill Church)
14. 08:06 AM - Re: S2S, S4S, or what? (Owen Davies)
15. 08:28 AM - Re: S2S, S4S, or what? (TOM STINEMETZE)
16. 08:56 AM - Re: S2S, S4S, or what? (RAMPEYBOY@aol.com)
17. 09:11 AM - Re: Re: S2S, S4S, or what? (SENTUCHOWS@aol.com)
18. 09:57 AM - Re: S2S, S4S, or what? (Michael Perez)
19. 10:29 AM - Sun n Fun (Lawrence Williams)
20. 10:43 AM - Re: S2S, S4S, or what? (Jack)
21. 10:43 AM - Sun n Fun weather (hvandervoo@aol.com)
22. 10:59 AM - Re: Re: S2S, S4S, or what? (Charles Campbell)
23. 10:59 AM - Re: S2S, S4S, or what? (Charles Campbell)
24. 11:03 AM - Re: Sun n Fun (Charles Waldo)
25. 11:10 AM - Re: S2S, S4S, or what? (Charles Campbell)
26. 11:26 AM - Re: S2S, S4S, or what? (RAMPEYBOY@aol.com)
27. 11:30 AM - Re: S2S, S4S, or what? (Charles Campbell)
28. 11:46 AM - Re: S2S, S4S, or what? (Charles Campbell)
29. 11:58 AM - Damage at Sun n' Fun (Ryan M)
30. 12:01 PM - Re: S2S, S4S, or what? (Jim Markle)
31. 01:06 PM - Storms damage Piets (Ken Bickers)
32. 01:15 PM - Re: Damage at Sun n' Fun ()
33. 01:31 PM - Re: Damage at Sun n' Fun (Charles Campbell)
34. 01:37 PM - Re: S2S, S4S, or what? (Charles Campbell)
35. 01:38 PM - ugly messes at SNF (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC AEROSPACE CORP])
36. 01:40 PM - Re: S2S, S4S, or what? (Charles Campbell)
37. 01:42 PM - Re: Damage at Sun n' Fun (hvandervoo@aol.com)
38. 01:47 PM - Re: Damage at Sun n' Fun (Matthew VanDervort)
39. 01:48 PM - Re: Storms damage Piets (Ryan Mueller)
40. 01:56 PM - Re: Damage at Sun n' Fun (Ryan Mueller)
41. 01:57 PM - Re: Damage at Sun n' Fun (DOMIT)
42. 02:14 PM - Re: Damage at Sun n' Fun (airlion)
43. 02:37 PM - Re: Damage at Sun n' Fun (Ryan Mueller)
44. 02:44 PM - Re: ugly messes at SNF (Matt Wash)
45. 03:02 PM - SNF (Dick N)
46. 03:08 PM - Re: Damage at Sun n' Fun (kevinpurtee)
47. 03:43 PM - Re: S2S, S4S, or what? (Bill Church)
48. 03:47 PM - Re: Storms damage Piets (Bill Church)
49. 04:12 PM - Re: S2S, S4S, or what? (Jim Markle)
50. 04:40 PM - 3 Piets wrecked in S&F tornado (Matt Naiva)
51. 04:40 PM - Video of Pietenpols at S&F (Matt Naiva)
52. 04:46 PM - Re: Re: Storms damage Piets (helspersew@aol.com)
53. 04:54 PM - Corvair Head Work (kevinpurtee)
54. 05:05 PM - Re: Corvair Head Work (Bill Church)
55. 05:28 PM - Re: Corvair Head Work (Charles Campbell)
56. 05:34 PM - Re: Storms damage Piets (gtche98)
57. 06:20 PM - Wrecked Piet?? (Stu Brown)
58. 07:59 PM - Re: Storms damage Piets (K5YAC)
59. 08:01 PM - Re: Corvair Head Work (K5YAC)
60. 08:23 PM - Re: S2S, S4S, or what? (coxwelljon)
61. 08:35 PM - Re: Corvair Head Work (kevinpurtee)
62. 08:45 PM - Re: S2S, S4S, or what? (jarheadpilot82)
63. 09:02 PM - Re: S2S, S4S, or what? (Billy McCaskill)
64. 09:17 PM - Re: SNF (Billy McCaskill)
65. 09:43 PM - Charles Campell Piet (TOM MICHELLE BRANT)
66. 10:19 PM - Re: Charles Campell Piet (Billy McCaskill)
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| Subject: | Corvair blocks/bits |
Hi everyone. If anyone is interested in Corvair parts, i have 2 blocks (both have
cranks) one has the factory nitrated crank)...both have the rods and cams.
No heads (sorry). I live near Savannah, Ga, so it's easy access from I-95 on
your way to SNF. Thanks!!! James T.
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| Subject: | Re: Corvair blocks/bits |
Price? I live in Athens, and could drive over and get it/them.
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Semper Fi,
Terry
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| Subject: | Re: Corvair blocks/bits |
Price? I live in Athens, and could drive over and get it/them.
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Semper Fi,
Terry
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| Subject: | Re: Corvair blocks/bits |
Well, I guess the "secret" is out about which engine you are going to use!
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Earl Brown
I may not have gone where I intended to go, but I think I have ended up where I
intended to be.
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| Subject: | Re: Corvair blocks/bits |
Hi Terry, i'm looking to get 100 for the regular crank & block and
150 (for the nitraded crank & block). thanks, james
On Thu, Mar 31, 2011 at 7:49 AM, jarheadpilot82
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> Price? I live in Athens, and could drive over and get it/them.
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> Terry
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| Subject: | Re: Corvair blocks/bits |
Hi Earl, both blocks are the right numbers (for aircraft use, i just
don't have the numbers off hand to list that), but one does have the
nitraded crank. thanks...james t
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> Well, I guess the "secret" is out about which engine you are going to use!
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| Subject: | Re: Corvair blocks/bits |
Hi again Terry, just went to the piet/matronics site...i see your a 'jarheadpilot'....i'm
a 'heavyliftpilot' (CH-47D), with the Nat Gaurd here in savannah.
james
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Hi again Terry, just went to the piet/matronics site...i see your a 'jarheadpilot'....i'm
a 'heavyliftpilot' (CH-47D), with the Nat Gaurd here in savannah.
james
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| Subject: | S2S, S4S, or what? |
Well, my plans are on order, I am pricing wood (a painful endeavor), and I have
come up with a question. I live in the South, so it is not very easy to purchase
wood here locally (unless you want to build your airplane with pine. Not happenin').
So, trying to be the scrounger and cost conscious builder, I am wondering
the following-
1. I am going to do the wing ribs first. A common place to start. Is it necessary
to use S4S, can you get by with S2S, or can I purchase lumber and cut it to
size myself? I am guessing the answer is that I need (at a minimum) S2S, otherwise
I need to take rougher lumber and either plane it myself, or have someone
do it for me so that the strips are all the same thickness.
2. Is there a reason for the capstrips to be finished on all four sides, or can
I cut them on my table saw the correct width, then lightly sand them prior to
varnishing them?
My preference would be to ship larger pieces of spruce or fir, and then plane and
cut them myself. If you are telling me I absolutely need S4S or S2S then that
is what I will do.
Thanks in advance for the advice. Probably it is a silly question, but I want to
do things right. We used to say in the Marine Corps, "There is no such thing
as a dumb question, although, there are some that come extremely close." This
may be on of those close questions.
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Semper Fi,
Terry
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| Subject: | Re: Kyle and Amanda Franklin |
Sorry, I should have posted this earlier.
You can keep up with updates at Caringbridge.org when you get to the caringbridge
page you type in amandafranklin ( no spaces)in the place it ask what website
you want to visit. You will have to enter an email address and then create
a password, but you will be sent any updates to the journal. You can sign the
geastbook as well.
Here are a couple good places to donate, all donations go to them
http://www.moonlightfund.org orwww.icasfoundation.org
Amanda has a long recovery road ahead of her and needs all the prayers and support
they both can get.
Thanks
Larry
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| Subject: | Re: S2S, S4S, or what? |
I ask dumb questions all the time and they're happy to tell me about it.
You can do all the milling/planing/finishing yourself if you have the tools. I
think you mentioned you're a woodworker. If I had a decent tablesaw and maybe
a planer I would not hesitate to do my own milling. If you don't like your
local wood you can do as you said and order larger pieces of stock from one of
the aircraft supply houses. There may be some other sources as well, the group
will certainly tell you about them. There's a recent thread talking about
how many big boards you need to whittle down to make all your rib stock.
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Kevin "Axel" Purtee
NX899KP
Austin/Georgetown, TX
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| Subject: | Re: S2S, S4S, or what? |
Terry,
My two cents... I attended Charlie Rubick's rib forum at Brodhead in 2004 or so
and followed his method with good success using two rough sawn 2x8 by 12 Sitka
boards. Cut all ribstock 1/4 by 1/2 on a tablesaw with a fine cutting blade
and a true fence and featherboard. Lightly sand the capstrip with a block sander
before dimensioning the pieces. Each rib you build will likely have small
imperfections in height where the intercoastals meet. Prior to gluing gussetts
just remove the height difference with a bastard file. Charlie built his
ribs with red cedar floor boards. Pleanty strong he said because the ribs are
overbuilt. Have fun!
Scott Knowlton
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From: jarheadpilot82 <jarheadpilot82@hotmail.com>
Subject: Pietenpol-List: S2S, S4S, or what?
Well, my plans are on order, I am pricing wood (a painful endeavor), and I have
come up with a question. I live in the South, so it is not very easy to purchase
wood here locally (unless you want to build your airplane with pine. Not happenin').
So, trying to be the scrounger and cost conscious builder, I am wondering
the following-
1. I am going to do the wing ribs first. A common place to start. Is it necessary
to use S4S, can you get by with S2S, or can I purchase lumber and cut it to
size myself? I am guessing the answer is that I need (at a minimum) S2S, otherwise
I need to take rougher lumber and either plane it myself, or have someone
do it for me so that the strips are all the same thickness.
2. Is there a reason for the capstrips to be finished on all four sides, or can
I cut them on my table saw the correct width, then lightly sand them prior to
varnishing them?
My preference would be to ship larger pieces of spruce or fir, and then plane and
cut them myself. If you are telling me I absolutely need S4S or S2S then that
is what I will do.
Thanks in advance for the advice. Probably it is a silly question, but I want to
do things right. We used to say in the Marine Corps, "There is no such thing
as a dumb question, although, there are some that come extremely close." This
may be on of those close questions.
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Semper Fi,
Terry
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| Subject: | Re: S2S, S4S, or what? |
Terry,
The answer depends on the equipment you have at your disposal, and how much you
enjoy cutting wood. It sounds like you have a tablesaw, but not a thickness planer.
Provided the wood you can get is not too rough, to cut your own capstrips
and even longerons, a half-decent tablesaw is all you really need. I bought
rough sawn Sitka and cut all of my wood myself from 2" x 6" planks. I did run
my boards through a thickness planer (S2S), but only because I have one. But
if I didn't have the planer, I could have easily done the job without planing,
because the boards were good quality, with no cupping or twist. You would just
need to get one straight side on the plank to work from, and just use the tablesaw
blade to remove the rough sawn surface. It just requires a few extra passes
through the saw, and possible a very slight reduction in the yield from a
board.
One thing I would recommend is that you invest $50 or so in a nice NEW ripping
blade for your tablesaw. And, if you don't already have one, get yourself a featherboard.
The featherboard will help maintain consistant thicknesses and prevent
kickback. You can rip through the wing rib capstrips in an afternoon, once
you're set up.
And, for what it's worth, I'd spend the few extra bucks for Sitka over DF. It's
just WAY nicer to work with, and lighter too.
Bill C.
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| Subject: | Re: S2S, S4S, or what? |
On 3/31/2011 9:20 AM, jarheadpilot82 wrote:
> 1. I am going to do the wing ribs first. A common place to start. Is it necessary
to use S4S, can you get by with S2S, or can I purchase lumber and cut it
to size myself? I am guessing the answer is that I need (at a minimum) S2S, otherwise
I need to take rougher lumber and either plane it myself, or have someone
do it for me so that the strips are all the same thickness.
For whatever it's worth, I sawed mine a bit large and shaved them to
exact size with a down-spiral bit in a router table. It worked pretty
well, but the strips would have come out fine if I had just cut it with
a planer blade on the table saw.
Owen
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| Subject: | Re: S2S, S4S, or what? |
Keep in mind that if you cut your own the kerf width of the saw blade will
eat up some of your expensive wood. For this reason a band saw may be a
better option than a table saw, particularly if you are cutting lots of
small slices such as cap strip. Many of the cap strip examples I have
seen leave the wood in a fairly rough condition. I chose to sand mine
smooth to help avoid snagging of the cloth when covering. Since I have
not covered anything yet I can not tell you that this was the way to go.
By the way, there are no dumb questions although you may see the occasional
dumb answer. What is dumb is failure to ask the question and then having
to redo the part later as a consequence. (voice of experience)
Tom Stinemetze
N328X
>>> "kevinpurtee" <kevin.purtee@us.army.mil> 3/31/2011 9:04 AM >>>
I ask dumb questions all the time and they're happy to tell me about it.
You can do all the milling/planing/finishing yourself if you have the
tools.
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| Subject: | Re: S2S, S4S, or what? |
So what is S2S, S4S?
In a message dated 3/31/2011 11:07:21 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
owen5819@comcast.net writes:
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Owen Davies <owen5819@comcast.net>
On 3/31/2011 9:20 AM, jarheadpilot82 wrote:
> 1. I am going to do the wing ribs first. A common place to start. Is it
necessary to use S4S, can you get by with S2S, or can I purchase lumber and
cut it to size myself? I am guessing the answer is that I need (at a
minimum) S2S, otherwise I need to take rougher lumber and either plane it
myself, or have someone do it for me so that the strips are all the same
thickness.
For whatever it's worth, I sawed mine a bit large and shaved them to
exact size with a down-spiral bit in a router table. It worked pretty
well, but the strips would have come out fine if I had just cut it with
a planer blade on the table saw.
Owen
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| Subject: | Re: S2S, S4S, or what? |
The answers have been correct. I bought all my dimensioned wood in the form
of Spar material. (Spruce from AS.) Get a good rip blade, around 26 teeth
on a 10" blade. Don't use a combo blade.Plan your cuts. Start with the
biggest pieces first. You can make your own feather boards.
Good luck
Dave
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| Subject: | Re: S2S, S4S, or what? |
I had been making furniture, so I have the wood working tools to make my ow
n wood pieces from bulk.- I bought 98% of all of my sitka in bulk; usuall
y- 8 to 10" wide, 1" thick, 8 feet, long.- Used the table saw to cut in
to strips, used a planner to get exactly .5" X .25"
Saved money, but used up more of my time. However, I really enjoy making th
ings from scratch, so my time was well spent having fun.
Michael Perez
=0AKaretaker Aero
=0Awww.karetakeraero.com
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Looks like I picked a good year to skip Sun n Fun!! Hope everyone comes through
it OK.
Larry
Do not archive
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| Subject: | S2S, S4S, or what? |
Terry,
Congratulations, you are entering into a fantastic journey, one I couldn't
do without. I'm already thinking what my next project will be.
I cut and planed all my wood with the exception of the capstrips. They are
pretty small and you waste a LOT of expensive wood milling yourself. It
will be much easier to fit the rib parts properly if it's S4S. I have
Douglas Fir and Sitka in my ship. The Spruce is much better to work with.
Enjoy!
Jack
DSM
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[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
jarheadpilot82
Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2011 8:21 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: S2S, S4S, or what?
<jarheadpilot82@hotmail.com>
Well, my plans are on order, I am pricing wood (a painful endeavor), and I
have come up with a question. I live in the South, so it is not very easy to
purchase wood here locally (unless you want to build your airplane with
pine. Not happenin'). So, trying to be the scrounger and cost conscious
builder, I am wondering the following-
1. I am going to do the wing ribs first. A common place to start. Is it
necessary to use S4S, can you get by with S2S, or can I purchase lumber and
cut it to size myself? I am guessing the answer is that I need (at a
minimum) S2S, otherwise I need to take rougher lumber and either plane it
myself, or have someone do it for me so that the strips are all the same
thickness.
2. Is there a reason for the capstrips to be finished on all four sides, or
can I cut them on my table saw the correct width, then lightly sand them
prior to varnishing them?
My preference would be to ship larger pieces of spruce or fir, and then
plane and cut them myself. If you are telling me I absolutely need S4S or
S2S then that is what I will do.
Thanks in advance for the advice. Probably it is a silly question, but I
want to do things right. We used to say in the Marine Corps, "There is no
such thing as a dumb question, although, there are some that come extremely
close." This may be on of those close questions.
--------
Semper Fi,
Terry
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| Subject: | Sun n Fun weather |
FYI
http://www.kdvr.com/news/nationworld/os-hanger-collapse-lakeland-airport-20
110331,0,7453911.story
Tornado at Lakeland during Sun n Fun
Pray for everyone's well being
Hans
NX 15KV
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| Subject: | Re: S2S, S4S, or what? |
#2. I recommend spruce over douglas fir also. I just went through a very
dissapointing experience by using fir (see the 'wings' thread of the past
few days). A/S sells 1/4X1/2 capstrip for $ 0.32 per foot. 500 ft would
be $160. Unless you can buy spruce boards a lot cheaper than that, I would
recommend buying the capstrip already cut - ready to use.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bill Church" <billspiet@sympatico.ca>
Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2011 10:21 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: S2S, S4S, or what?
> <billspiet@sympatico.ca>
>
> Terry,
> The answer depends on the equipment you have at your disposal, and how
> much you enjoy cutting wood. It sounds like you have a tablesaw, but not a
> thickness planer. Provided the wood you can get is not too rough, to cut
> your own capstrips and even longerons, a half-decent tablesaw is all you
> really need. I bought rough sawn Sitka and cut all of my wood myself from
> 2" x 6" planks. I did run my boards through a thickness planer (S2S), but
> only because I have one. But if I didn't have the planer, I could have
> easily done the job without planing, because the boards were good quality,
> with no cupping or twist. You would just need to get one straight side on
> the plank to work from, and just use the tablesaw blade to remove the
> rough sawn surface. It just requires a few extra passes through the saw,
> and possible a very slight reduction in the yield from a board.
> One thing I would recommend is that you invest $50 or so in a nice NEW
> ripping blade for your tablesaw. And, if you don't already have one, get
> yourself a featherboard. The featherboard will help maintain consistant
> thicknesses and prevent kickback. You can rip through the wing rib
> capstrips in an afternoon, once you're set up.
> And, for what it's worth, I'd spend the few extra bucks for Sitka over DF.
> It's just WAY nicer to work with, and lighter too.
>
> Bill C.
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=335574#335574
>
>
>
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Terry, my son has a very accurate table saw and we sawed the 1/2 x 1/4
strips on it and they turned out great. One 12-foot 1X6 sawn in two makes,
of course, two 6-foot pieces. we got 16 1/4-inch wide (96 feet) strips out
of each six-foot board. We used a very fine saw blade and we didn't feel
that any sanding was necessary. The wing will use up about 500 feet of cap
strip so 6 six-foot (3 twelve-foot) 1X6 boards will yield about 576 feet of
cap strip. If you use a thicker saw blade (1/8-inch thick) you will get
only 14 strips out of a 5.5-inch wide board, but that will still yield about
504 feet of strip.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Scott Knowlton " <flyingscott_k@hotmail.com>
<pietenpol-list@matronics.com>
Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2011 10:08 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: S2S, S4S, or what?
> <flyingscott_k@hotmail.com>
>
> Terry,
> My two cents... I attended Charlie Rubick's rib forum at Brodhead in 2004
> or so and followed his method with good success using two rough sawn 2x8
> by 12 Sitka boards. Cut all ribstock 1/4 by 1/2 on a tablesaw with a fine
> cutting blade and a true fence and featherboard. Lightly sand the
> capstrip with a block sander before dimensioning the pieces. Each rib you
> build will likely have small imperfections in height where the
> intercoastals meet. Prior to gluing gussetts just remove the height
> difference with a bastard file. Charlie built his ribs with red cedar
> floor boards. Pleanty strong he said because the ribs are overbuilt.
> Have fun!
>
> Scott Knowlton
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: jarheadpilot82 <jarheadpilot82@hotmail.com>
> Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2011 13:20:33
> To: <pietenpol-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: S2S, S4S, or what?
>
> <jarheadpilot82@hotmail.com>
>
> Well, my plans are on order, I am pricing wood (a painful endeavor), and I
> have come up with a question. I live in the South, so it is not very easy
> to purchase wood here locally (unless you want to build your airplane with
> pine. Not happenin'). So, trying to be the scrounger and cost conscious
> builder, I am wondering the following-
>
> 1. I am going to do the wing ribs first. A common place to start. Is it
> necessary to use S4S, can you get by with S2S, or can I purchase lumber
> and cut it to size myself? I am guessing the answer is that I need (at a
> minimum) S2S, otherwise I need to take rougher lumber and either plane it
> myself, or have someone do it for me so that the strips are all the same
> thickness.
>
> 2. Is there a reason for the capstrips to be finished on all four sides,
> or can I cut them on my table saw the correct width, then lightly sand
> them prior to varnishing them?
>
> My preference would be to ship larger pieces of spruce or fir, and then
> plane and cut them myself. If you are telling me I absolutely need S4S or
> S2S then that is what I will do.
>
> Thanks in advance for the advice. Probably it is a silly question, but I
> want to do things right. We used to say in the Marine Corps, "There is no
> such thing as a dumb question, although, there are some that come
> extremely close." This may be on of those close questions.
>
> --------
> Semper Fi,
>
> Terry
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=335566#335566
>
>
>
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Will be there friday...I'll try and post some picts...
Chuck Waldo
do not archive
On Thu, Mar 31, 2011 at 1:02 PM, Lawrence Williams <lnawms@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Looks like I picked a good year to skip Sun n Fun!! Hope everyone comes
> through it OK.
>
> Larry
>
> Do not archive
>
> *
>
> *
>
>
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S2S is finished on only 2 sides - the other 2 are rough. S4S is
finished all 4 sides. OK?
----- Original Message -----
From: RAMPEYBOY@aol.com
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2011 11:17 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: S2S, S4S, or what?
So what is S2S, S4S?
In a message dated 3/31/2011 11:07:21 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
owen5819@comcast.net writes:
<owen5819@comcast.net>
On 3/31/2011 9:20 AM, jarheadpilot82 wrote:
> 1. I am going to do the wing ribs first. A common place to start.
Is it necessary to use S4S, can you get by with S2S, or can I purchase
lumber and cut it to size myself? I am guessing the answer is that I
need (at a minimum) S2S, otherwise I need to take rougher lumber and
either plane it myself, or have someone do it for me so that the strips
are all the same thickness.
For whatever it's worth, I sawed mine a bit large and shaved them to
exact size with a down-spiral bit in a router table. It worked
pretty
well, but the strips would have come out fine if I had just cut it
with
a planer blade on the table
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got it! I thought that was the answer, but wanted to be sure. I don't post
here much, but one day when I get rich I'm selling my Mustang II project
and building a Pietenpol!
In a message dated 3/31/2011 2:10:47 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
cncampbell@windstream.net writes:
S2S is finished on only 2 sides - the other 2 are rough. S4S is finished
all 4 sides. OK?
----- Original Message -----
From: _RAMPEYBOY@aol.com_ (mailto:RAMPEYBOY@aol.com)
Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2011 11:17 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: S2S, S4S, or what?
So what is S2S, S4S?
In a message dated 3/31/2011 11:07:21 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
_owen5819@comcast.net_ (mailto:owen5819@comcast.net) writes:
(mailto:owen5819@comcast.net) >
On 3/31/2011 9:20 AM, jarheadpilot82 wrote:
> 1. I am going to do the wing ribs first. A common place to start. Is it
necessary to use S4S, can you get by with S2S, or can I purchase lumber and
cut it to size myself? I am guessing the answer is that I need (at a
minimum) S2S, otherwise I need to take rougher lumber and either plane it
myself, or have someone do it for me so that the strips are all the same
thickness.
For whatever it's worth, I sawed mine a bit large and shaved them to
exact size with a down-spiral bit in a router table. It worked pretty
well, but the strips would have come out fine if I had just cut it with
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I'm going to show my lack of education (the high school I attended didn't
have a wood working class). What is a featherboard?
----- Original Message -----
From: "Scott Knowlton " <flyingscott_k@hotmail.com>
<pietenpol-list@matronics.com>
Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2011 10:08 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: S2S, S4S, or what?
> <flyingscott_k@hotmail.com>
>
> Terry,
> My two cents... I attended Charlie Rubick's rib forum at Brodhead in 2004
> or so and followed his method with good success using two rough sawn 2x8
> by 12 Sitka boards. Cut all ribstock 1/4 by 1/2 on a tablesaw with a fine
> cutting blade and a true fence and featherboard. Lightly sand the
> capstrip with a block sander before dimensioning the pieces. Each rib you
> build will likely have small imperfections in height where the
> intercoastals meet. Prior to gluing gussetts just remove the height
> difference with a bastard file. Charlie built his ribs with red cedar
> floor boards. Pleanty strong he said because the ribs are overbuilt.
> Have fun!
>
> Scott Knowlton
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: jarheadpilot82 <jarheadpilot82@hotmail.com>
> Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2011 13:20:33
> To: <pietenpol-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: S2S, S4S, or what?
>
> <jarheadpilot82@hotmail.com>
>
> Well, my plans are on order, I am pricing wood (a painful endeavor), and I
> have come up with a question. I live in the South, so it is not very easy
> to purchase wood here locally (unless you want to build your airplane with
> pine. Not happenin'). So, trying to be the scrounger and cost conscious
> builder, I am wondering the following-
>
> 1. I am going to do the wing ribs first. A common place to start. Is it
> necessary to use S4S, can you get by with S2S, or can I purchase lumber
> and cut it to size myself? I am guessing the answer is that I need (at a
> minimum) S2S, otherwise I need to take rougher lumber and either plane it
> myself, or have someone do it for me so that the strips are all the same
> thickness.
>
> 2. Is there a reason for the capstrips to be finished on all four sides,
> or can I cut them on my table saw the correct width, then lightly sand
> them prior to varnishing them?
>
> My preference would be to ship larger pieces of spruce or fir, and then
> plane and cut them myself. If you are telling me I absolutely need S4S or
> S2S then that is what I will do.
>
> Thanks in advance for the advice. Probably it is a silly question, but I
> want to do things right. We used to say in the Marine Corps, "There is no
> such thing as a dumb question, although, there are some that come
> extremely close." This may be on of those close questions.
>
> --------
> Semper Fi,
>
> Terry
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=335566#335566
>
>
>
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Amen!!!!!
Do not archive
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jack" <jack@textors.com>
Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2011 1:16 PM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: S2S, S4S, or what?
>
> Terry,
> Congratulations, you are entering into a fantastic journey, one I couldn't
> do without. I'm already thinking what my next project will be.
>
> I cut and planed all my wood with the exception of the capstrips. They
> are
> pretty small and you waste a LOT of expensive wood milling yourself. It
> will be much easier to fit the rib parts properly if it's S4S. I have
> Douglas Fir and Sitka in my ship. The Spruce is much better to work with.
>
> Enjoy!
> Jack
> DSM
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
> jarheadpilot82
> Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2011 8:21 AM
> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: S2S, S4S, or what?
>
> <jarheadpilot82@hotmail.com>
>
> Well, my plans are on order, I am pricing wood (a painful endeavor), and I
> have come up with a question. I live in the South, so it is not very easy
> to
> purchase wood here locally (unless you want to build your airplane with
> pine. Not happenin'). So, trying to be the scrounger and cost conscious
> builder, I am wondering the following-
>
> 1. I am going to do the wing ribs first. A common place to start. Is it
> necessary to use S4S, can you get by with S2S, or can I purchase lumber
> and
> cut it to size myself? I am guessing the answer is that I need (at a
> minimum) S2S, otherwise I need to take rougher lumber and either plane it
> myself, or have someone do it for me so that the strips are all the same
> thickness.
>
> 2. Is there a reason for the capstrips to be finished on all four sides,
> or
> can I cut them on my table saw the correct width, then lightly sand them
> prior to varnishing them?
>
> My preference would be to ship larger pieces of spruce or fir, and then
> plane and cut them myself. If you are telling me I absolutely need S4S or
> S2S then that is what I will do.
>
> Thanks in advance for the advice. Probably it is a silly question, but I
> want to do things right. We used to say in the Marine Corps, "There is no
> such thing as a dumb question, although, there are some that come
> extremely
> close." This may be on of those close questions.
>
> --------
> Semper Fi,
>
> Terry
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=335566#335566
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Damage at Sun n' Fun |
Were praying for all our friends out at Sun n' Fun. We're seeing a lot of bad
weather down here, reports of a tornado, damaged buildings and aircraft.
http://www.theledger.com/apps/pbcs.dll/gallery?Dato 110331&Kategori=PHOTOS51&Lopenr=331009999&Ref=PH&pl=1
Pictures;
http://www.theledger.com/apps/pbcs.dll/gallery?Dato 110331&Kategori=PHOTOS51&Lopenr=331009999&Ref=PH&pl=1
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Something you'll not want to EVER use a table saw without.....
Here's an example of one:
http://images.meredith.com/wood/images/2008/02/m_easylock1.jpg
Holds stock nice and snug....
JM
-----Original Message-----
>From: Charles Campbell <cncampbell@windstream.net>
>Sent: Mar 31, 2011 1:25 PM
>To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: S2S, S4S, or what?
>
>
>I'm going to show my lack of education (the high school I attended didn't
>have a wood working class). What is a featherboard?
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Scott Knowlton " <flyingscott_k@hotmail.com>
>To: "jarheadpilot82 " <jarheadpilot82@hotmail.com>;
><pietenpol-list@matronics.com>
>Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2011 10:08 AM
>Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: S2S, S4S, or what?
>
>
>> <flyingscott_k@hotmail.com>
>>
>> Terry,
>> My two cents... I attended Charlie Rubick's rib forum at Brodhead in 2004
>> or so and followed his method with good success using two rough sawn 2x8
>> by 12 Sitka boards. Cut all ribstock 1/4 by 1/2 on a tablesaw with a fine
>> cutting blade and a true fence and featherboard. Lightly sand the
>> capstrip with a block sander before dimensioning the pieces. Each rib you
>> build will likely have small imperfections in height where the
>> intercoastals meet. Prior to gluing gussetts just remove the height
>> difference with a bastard file. Charlie built his ribs with red cedar
>> floor boards. Pleanty strong he said because the ribs are overbuilt.
>> Have fun!
>>
>> Scott Knowlton
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: jarheadpilot82 <jarheadpilot82@hotmail.com>
>> Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2011 13:20:33
>> To: <pietenpol-list@matronics.com>
>> Subject: Pietenpol-List: S2S, S4S, or what?
>>
>> <jarheadpilot82@hotmail.com>
>>
>> Well, my plans are on order, I am pricing wood (a painful endeavor), and I
>> have come up with a question. I live in the South, so it is not very easy
>> to purchase wood here locally (unless you want to build your airplane with
>> pine. Not happenin'). So, trying to be the scrounger and cost conscious
>> builder, I am wondering the following-
>>
>> 1. I am going to do the wing ribs first. A common place to start. Is it
>> necessary to use S4S, can you get by with S2S, or can I purchase lumber
>> and cut it to size myself? I am guessing the answer is that I need (at a
>> minimum) S2S, otherwise I need to take rougher lumber and either plane it
>> myself, or have someone do it for me so that the strips are all the same
>> thickness.
>>
>> 2. Is there a reason for the capstrips to be finished on all four sides,
>> or can I cut them on my table saw the correct width, then lightly sand
>> them prior to varnishing them?
>>
>> My preference would be to ship larger pieces of spruce or fir, and then
>> plane and cut them myself. If you are telling me I absolutely need S4S or
>> S2S then that is what I will do.
>>
>> Thanks in advance for the advice. Probably it is a silly question, but I
>> want to do things right. We used to say in the Marine Corps, "There is no
>> such thing as a dumb question, although, there are some that come
>> extremely close." This may be on of those close questions.
>>
>> --------
>> Semper Fi,
>>
>> Terry
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Read this topic online here:
>>
>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=335566#335566
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
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| Subject: | Storms damage Piets |
The storms that rolled through Sun 'n Fun apparently snagged some
Pietenpols. This is painful to see. Ken
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Wonder whose AirCamper that is that's turned upside down on another
airplane?
Do not archive.
----- Original Message -----
From: Ryan M
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2011 2:53 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Damage at Sun n' Fun
Were praying for all our friends out at Sun n' Fun. We're seeing a lot
of bad weather down here, reports of a tornado, damaged buildings and
aircraft.
http://www.theledger.com/apps/pbcs.dll/gallery?Dato 110331&Kategori=
PHOTOS51&Lopenr=331009999&Ref=PH&pl=1
Pictures;
http://www.theledger.com/apps/pbcs.dll/gallery?Dato 110331&Kategori=
PHOTOS51&Lopenr=331009999&Ref=PH&pl=1
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>From what I gather at the A/S catalogue page on the internet, 4" wide spar
stock is the smallest S2S lumber you can buy. Anyone have a different
opinion?
----- Original Message -----
From: "Owen Davies" <owen5819@comcast.net>
Sent: Friday, April 01, 2011 10:20 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: S2S, S4S, or what?
>
> On 3/31/2011 9:20 AM, jarheadpilot82 wrote:
>> 1. I am going to do the wing ribs first. A common place to start. Is it
>> necessary to use S4S, can you get by with S2S, or can I purchase lumber
>> and cut it to size myself? I am guessing the answer is that I need (at a
>> minimum) S2S, otherwise I need to take rougher lumber and either plane it
>> myself, or have someone do it for me so that the strips are all the same
>> thickness.
> For whatever it's worth, I sawed mine a bit large and shaved them to exact
> size with a down-spiral bit in a router table. It worked pretty well, but
> the strips would have come out fine if I had just cut it with a planer
> blade on the table saw.
>
> Owen
>
>
>
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| Subject: | ugly messes at SNF |
Just heard and UN-verified word that some Piets might have suffered damage
down there. Stay tuned.
Scroll down for more insurance claims.
Mike C.
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Jim, what do you do -- clamp the featherboard to the saw table?
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jim Markle" <jim_markle@mindspring.com>
Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2011 2:57 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: S2S, S4S, or what?
> <jim_markle@mindspring.com>
>
> Something you'll not want to EVER use a table saw without.....
>
> Here's an example of one:
>
> http://images.meredith.com/wood/images/2008/02/m_easylock1.jpg
>
> Holds stock nice and snug....
>
> JM
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
>>From: Charles Campbell <cncampbell@windstream.net>
>>Sent: Mar 31, 2011 1:25 PM
>>To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
>>Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: S2S, S4S, or what?
>>
>><cncampbell@windstream.net>
>>
>>I'm going to show my lack of education (the high school I attended didn't
>>have a wood working class). What is a featherboard?
>>
>>----- Original Message -----
>>From: "Scott Knowlton " <flyingscott_k@hotmail.com>
>>To: "jarheadpilot82 " <jarheadpilot82@hotmail.com>;
>><pietenpol-list@matronics.com>
>>Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2011 10:08 AM
>>Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: S2S, S4S, or what?
>>
>>
>>> <flyingscott_k@hotmail.com>
>>>
>>> Terry,
>>> My two cents... I attended Charlie Rubick's rib forum at Brodhead in
>>> 2004
>>> or so and followed his method with good success using two rough sawn 2x8
>>> by 12 Sitka boards. Cut all ribstock 1/4 by 1/2 on a tablesaw with a
>>> fine
>>> cutting blade and a true fence and featherboard. Lightly sand the
>>> capstrip with a block sander before dimensioning the pieces. Each rib
>>> you
>>> build will likely have small imperfections in height where the
>>> intercoastals meet. Prior to gluing gussetts just remove the height
>>> difference with a bastard file. Charlie built his ribs with red cedar
>>> floor boards. Pleanty strong he said because the ribs are overbuilt.
>>> Have fun!
>>>
>>> Scott Knowlton
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: jarheadpilot82 <jarheadpilot82@hotmail.com>
>>> Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2011 13:20:33
>>> To: <pietenpol-list@matronics.com>
>>> Subject: Pietenpol-List: S2S, S4S, or what?
>>>
>>> <jarheadpilot82@hotmail.com>
>>>
>>> Well, my plans are on order, I am pricing wood (a painful endeavor), and
>>> I
>>> have come up with a question. I live in the South, so it is not very
>>> easy
>>> to purchase wood here locally (unless you want to build your airplane
>>> with
>>> pine. Not happenin'). So, trying to be the scrounger and cost conscious
>>> builder, I am wondering the following-
>>>
>>> 1. I am going to do the wing ribs first. A common place to start. Is it
>>> necessary to use S4S, can you get by with S2S, or can I purchase lumber
>>> and cut it to size myself? I am guessing the answer is that I need (at a
>>> minimum) S2S, otherwise I need to take rougher lumber and either plane
>>> it
>>> myself, or have someone do it for me so that the strips are all the same
>>> thickness.
>>>
>>> 2. Is there a reason for the capstrips to be finished on all four sides,
>>> or can I cut them on my table saw the correct width, then lightly sand
>>> them prior to varnishing them?
>>>
>>> My preference would be to ship larger pieces of spruce or fir, and then
>>> plane and cut them myself. If you are telling me I absolutely need S4S
>>> or
>>> S2S then that is what I will do.
>>>
>>> Thanks in advance for the advice. Probably it is a silly question, but I
>>> want to do things right. We used to say in the Marine Corps, "There is
>>> no
>>> such thing as a dumb question, although, there are some that come
>>> extremely close." This may be on of those close questions.
>>>
>>> --------
>>> Semper Fi,
>>>
>>> Terry
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Read this topic online here:
>>>
>>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=335566#335566
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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| Subject: | Re: Damage at Sun n' Fun |
Looks like three, two of the reg numbers end with BP
Frank Metcalfs is NX 971BP
All seem Corvair powered.
Steel tube "Big Piets" from Georgia?
Hans
NX15KV
-----Original Message-----
From: jack <jack@textors.com>
Sent: Thu, Mar 31, 2011 3:15 pm
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Damage at Sun n' Fun
Oh Lord, I beleive three Piets in pics, hope everyone is ok.
So sorry,
Jack
DSM
-------- Original Message --------
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Damage at Sun n' Fun
From: Ryan M <aircamperace@yahoo.com>
Were praying for all our friends out at Sun n' Fun. We're seeing a lot of b
ad weather down here, reports of a tornado, damaged buildings and aircraft.
http://www.theledger.com/apps/pbcs.dll/gallery?Dato 110331&Kategori=P
HOTOS51&Lopenr=331009999&Ref=PH&pl=1
Pictures;
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Isn't that one of the 'big piets' on the bottom?
Sure is a tragedy
Sent from my iPhone
On Mar 31, 2011, at 4:25 PM, "Charles Campbell" <cncampbell@windstream.net> w
rote:
> Wonder whose AirCamper that is that's turned upside down on another airpla
ne?
>
> Do not archive.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Ryan M
> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2011 2:53 PM
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Damage at Sun n' Fun
>
> Were praying for all our friends out at Sun n' Fun. We're seeing a lot of b
ad weather down here, reports of a tornado, damaged buildings and aircraft.
>
>
> http://www.theledger.com/apps/pbcs.dll/gallery?Dato 110331&Kategori=
PHOTOS51&Lopenr=331009999&Ref=PH&pl=1
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| Subject: | Re: Storms damage Piets |
Son of a bitch.....that looks like two Big Piets and Gardiner....
On Thu, Mar 31, 2011 at 3:02 PM, Ken Bickers <bickers.ken@gmail.com> wrote:
> The storms that rolled through Sun 'n Fun apparently snagged some
> Pietenpols. This is painful to see. Ken
>
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| Subject: | Re: Damage at Sun n' Fun |
That's two of the Big Piets, and gotta be Gardiner on the bottom...you can
spot that cowl a mile away....damn it....
On Thu, Mar 31, 2011 at 3:38 PM, <hvandervoo@aol.com> wrote:
>
> Looks like three, two of the reg numbers end with BP
> Frank Metcalfs is NX 971BP
>
> All seem Corvair powered.
>
> Steel tube "Big Piets" from Georgia?
> Hans
>
> NX15KV
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: jack <jack@textors.com>
> To: pietenpol-list <pietenpol-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Thu, Mar 31, 2011 3:15 pm
> Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Damage at Sun n' Fun
>
> Oh Lord, I beleive three Piets in pics, hope everyone is ok.
> So sorry,
> Jack
> DSM
>
>
> -------- Original Message --------
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Damage at Sun n' Fun
> From: Ryan M <aircamperace@yahoo.com>
> Date: Thu, March 31, 2011 1:53 pm
> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
>
> Were praying for all our friends out at Sun n' Fun. We're seeing a lot of
> bad weather down here, reports of a tornado, damaged buildings and
> aircraft.
>
>
> http://www.theledger.com/apps/pbcs.dll/gallery?Dato 110331&Kategori=PHOTOS51&Lopenr=331009999&Ref=PH&pl=1
>
> Pictures;
>
> http://www.theledger.com/apps/pbcs.dll/gallery?Dato 110331&Kategori=PHOTOS51&Lopenr=331009999&Ref=PH&pl=1
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| Subject: | Re: Damage at Sun n' Fun |
Wow, what a mess! :(
Not to make TOO light of the situation, but would that be a Pietenpile?
I hope they are all repairable.
--------
Brad "DOMIT" Smith
First rule of ground school: This is the ground... don't hit it going fast.
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| Subject: | Re: Damage at Sun n' Fun |
I've talked to Gardiner, and he and the other Piet builders are fine. Amazingly,
and thankfully, no one was injured.
As I understand it, several of the folks from Carrolton who had not gone to
Sun-N-Fun are on the road now, driving to Lakeland to help out.
Many thanks to all of you for your concern and prayers.
Best regards,
Susan Mason
________________________________
From: Ryan M <aircamperace@yahoo.com>
Sent: Thu, March 31, 2011 2:53:51 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Damage at Sun n' Fun
Were praying for all our friends out at Sun n' Fun. We're seeing a lot of bad
weather down here, reports of a tornado, damaged buildings and aircraft.
http://www.theledger.com/apps/pbcs.dll/gallery?Dato 110331&Kategori=PHOTOS51&Lopenr=331009999&Ref=PH&pl=1
Pictures;
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| Subject: | Re: Damage at Sun n' Fun |
Thank you Susan!
On Thu, Mar 31, 2011 at 4:10 PM, airlion <airlion@bellsouth.net> wrote:
> I've talked to Gardiner, and he and the other Piet builders are fine.
> Amazingly, and thankfully, no one was injured.
>
> As I understand it, several of the folks from Carrolton who had not gone to
> Sun-N-Fun are on the road now, driving to Lakeland to help out.
>
> Many thanks to all of you for your concern and prayers.
>
> Best regards,
> Susan Mason
>
> ------------------------------
> *From:* Ryan M <aircamperace@yahoo.com>
> *To:* pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> *Sent:* Thu, March 31, 2011 2:53:51 PM
>
> *Subject:* Pietenpol-List: Damage at Sun n' Fun
>
> Were praying for all our friends out at Sun n' Fun. We're seeing a lot of
> bad weather down here, reports of a tornado, damaged buildings and
> aircraft.
>
>
> http://www.theledger.com/apps/pbcs.dll/gallery?Dato 110331&Kategori=PHOTOS51&Lopenr=331009999&Ref=PH&pl=1
>
> Pictures;
>
> http://www.theledger.com/apps/pbcs.dll/gallery?Dato 110331&Kategori=PHOTOS51&Lopenr=331009999&Ref=PH&pl=1
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| Subject: | Re: ugly messes at SNF |
Verified :(
~Matt
On Thu, Mar 31, 2011 at 3:32 PM, Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC AEROSPACE
CORP] <michael.d.cuy@nasa.gov> wrote:
> Just heard and UN-verified word that some Piets might have suffered
> damage down there. Stay tuned.
> Scroll down for more insurance claims.
>
> Mike C.
>
>
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Hey all
I hate to be the bearer of bad news from SnF, but I didnt see it posted
by anyone else so here it is. There was a severe thundersorm that came
thru SNF this morning. The campgrounds here are a mess. There were 3
Piets on the flight line that all were tossed into a pile. Photos
later. Gardiner Masons piet and 2 big piets are all pretty much totaled
out. All of us in the wood shop are fine.
Dick N.
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| Subject: | Re: Damage at Sun n' Fun |
Thanks, Susan. Give our best to Gardiner. We're thinking of him and all the rest
of the group.
Kevin
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Kevin "Axel" Purtee
NX899KP
Austin/Georgetown, TX
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| Subject: | Re: S2S, S4S, or what? |
Chuck,
Typically, the featherboard is wedged into the miter slot of the table saw top,
and prevented from sliding, but they can also be secured with clamps or very
strong magnets.
Bill C.
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=335689#335689
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| Subject: | Re: Storms damage Piets |
That's horrible.
Looks like Gardiner's Piet really got hit hard.
What a shame. All that hard work.
Bill C.
do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: S2S, S4S, or what? |
Some clamp, some have huge magnets. I made mine really long so all I have to do
is clamp it to the table.
Once you use one you'll love it.
-----Original Message-----
>From: Charles Campbell <cncampbell@windstream.net>
>Sent: Mar 31, 2011 3:29 PM
>To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: S2S, S4S, or what?
>
>
>Jim, what do you do -- clamp the featherboard to the saw table?
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Jim Markle" <jim_markle@mindspring.com>
>To: <pietenpol-list@matronics.com>
>Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2011 2:57 PM
>Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: S2S, S4S, or what?
>
>
>> <jim_markle@mindspring.com>
>>
>> Something you'll not want to EVER use a table saw without.....
>>
>> Here's an example of one:
>>
>> http://images.meredith.com/wood/images/2008/02/m_easylock1.jpg
>>
>> Holds stock nice and snug....
>>
>> JM
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>>>From: Charles Campbell <cncampbell@windstream.net>
>>>Sent: Mar 31, 2011 1:25 PM
>>>To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
>>>Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: S2S, S4S, or what?
>>>
>>><cncampbell@windstream.net>
>>>
>>>I'm going to show my lack of education (the high school I attended didn't
>>>have a wood working class). What is a featherboard?
>>>
>>>----- Original Message -----
>>>From: "Scott Knowlton " <flyingscott_k@hotmail.com>
>>>To: "jarheadpilot82 " <jarheadpilot82@hotmail.com>;
>>><pietenpol-list@matronics.com>
>>>Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2011 10:08 AM
>>>Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: S2S, S4S, or what?
>>>
>>>
>>>> <flyingscott_k@hotmail.com>
>>>>
>>>> Terry,
>>>> My two cents... I attended Charlie Rubick's rib forum at Brodhead in
>>>> 2004
>>>> or so and followed his method with good success using two rough sawn 2x8
>>>> by 12 Sitka boards. Cut all ribstock 1/4 by 1/2 on a tablesaw with a
>>>> fine
>>>> cutting blade and a true fence and featherboard. Lightly sand the
>>>> capstrip with a block sander before dimensioning the pieces. Each rib
>>>> you
>>>> build will likely have small imperfections in height where the
>>>> intercoastals meet. Prior to gluing gussetts just remove the height
>>>> difference with a bastard file. Charlie built his ribs with red cedar
>>>> floor boards. Pleanty strong he said because the ribs are overbuilt.
>>>> Have fun!
>>>>
>>>> Scott Knowlton
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: jarheadpilot82 <jarheadpilot82@hotmail.com>
>>>> Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2011 13:20:33
>>>> To: <pietenpol-list@matronics.com>
>>>> Subject: Pietenpol-List: S2S, S4S, or what?
>>>>
>>>> <jarheadpilot82@hotmail.com>
>>>>
>>>> Well, my plans are on order, I am pricing wood (a painful endeavor), and
>>>> I
>>>> have come up with a question. I live in the South, so it is not very
>>>> easy
>>>> to purchase wood here locally (unless you want to build your airplane
>>>> with
>>>> pine. Not happenin'). So, trying to be the scrounger and cost conscious
>>>> builder, I am wondering the following-
>>>>
>>>> 1. I am going to do the wing ribs first. A common place to start. Is it
>>>> necessary to use S4S, can you get by with S2S, or can I purchase lumber
>>>> and cut it to size myself? I am guessing the answer is that I need (at a
>>>> minimum) S2S, otherwise I need to take rougher lumber and either plane
>>>> it
>>>> myself, or have someone do it for me so that the strips are all the same
>>>> thickness.
>>>>
>>>> 2. Is there a reason for the capstrips to be finished on all four sides,
>>>> or can I cut them on my table saw the correct width, then lightly sand
>>>> them prior to varnishing them?
>>>>
>>>> My preference would be to ship larger pieces of spruce or fir, and then
>>>> plane and cut them myself. If you are telling me I absolutely need S4S
>>>> or
>>>> S2S then that is what I will do.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks in advance for the advice. Probably it is a silly question, but I
>>>> want to do things right. We used to say in the Marine Corps, "There is
>>>> no
>>>> such thing as a dumb question, although, there are some that come
>>>> extremely close." This may be on of those close questions.
>>>>
>>>> --------
>>>> Semper Fi,
>>>>
>>>> Terry
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Read this topic online here:
>>>>
>>>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=335566#335566
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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| Subject: | 3 Piets wrecked in S&F tornado |
Hope the owners are well...
Matt
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/2314248/200870_10150192390888623_192081688622_8484257_4744496_o.jpg
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| Subject: | Video of Pietenpols at S&F |
Piets are at 5:14 seconds. Can anyone ID the owners?
http://www.trikepilot.com/videos/view/_12091
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| Subject: | Re: Storms damage Piets |
I am just sick about those Piets (and all others) at SNF, especially
Gardiner's because I have met him at Brodhead. I can only imagine how
they must feel right now. But I guess if they are physically OK that is
something to praise God for....
Dan Helsper
Puryear, TN
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| Subject: | Corvair Head Work |
Someone asked off list what was wrong with my heads. Here's a quick update: I
posted here a few months ago that I noticed a power drop last time I flew the
plane. Brought her home successfully. Went through the troubleshooting steps
William Wynne helped me develop. Bottom line - no compression in #3 cylinder.
Pulled the heads and found the exhaust valve missing a chunk. Pulled the other
head, too, based on differential compression numbers. I'm no expert, but
I think I was about to trash a valve on that side as well - another exhaust valve
was looking rough. I sent the heads to get reworked at Roy's, one of William's
recommended shops. They're back and they look great. Roy said that the
exhaust guides were shot and that the valve spring pressures were out of tolerance.
He believes that the incorrect pressures (too low) prevented the valves
from closing tightly and dissipating heat the way they should, likely leading
to the burned valves.
I had the heads done at a car shop many years ago, before the state of the art
in head work had advanced to its current state. If all the recommended vendors
do head work like Roy, we should be in pretty good shape.
Next steps: install 5th bearing, reassemble motor, fly.
--------
Kevin "Axel" Purtee
NX899KP
Austin/Georgetown, TX
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| Subject: | Re: Corvair Head Work |
Kevin wrote:
> Someone asked off list what was wrong with my heads.
Are you sure you heard the question correctly, Kevin? Are you positive there was
an "s" on the end? :)
BC
(don't mind me - I think there might be something wrong with MY head)
do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: Corvair Head Work |
I'm having my heads done by Falcon. WW also recommends them. Let you know
how they turned out when I get them. Chuck
Do not archive
----- Original Message -----
From: "kevinpurtee" <kevin.purtee@us.army.mil>
Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2011 7:50 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Corvair Head Work
> <kevin.purtee@us.army.mil>
>
> Someone asked off list what was wrong with my heads. Here's a quick
> update: I posted here a few months ago that I noticed a power drop last
> time I flew the plane. Brought her home successfully. Went through the
> troubleshooting steps William Wynne helped me develop. Bottom line - no
> compression in #3 cylinder. Pulled the heads and found the exhaust valve
> missing a chunk. Pulled the other head, too, based on differential
> compression numbers. I'm no expert, but I think I was about to trash a
> valve on that side as well - another exhaust valve was looking rough. I
> sent the heads to get reworked at Roy's, one of William's recommended
> shops. They're back and they look great. Roy said that the exhaust
> guides were shot and that the valve spring pressures were out of
> tolerance. He believes that the incorrect pressures (too low) prevented
> the valves from closing tightly and dissipating heat the way they should,
> likely leading to the burned valves.
>
> I had the heads done at a car shop many years ago, before the state of the
> art in head work had advanced to its current state. If all the
> recommended vendors do head work like Roy, we should be in pretty good
> shape.
>
> Next steps: install 5th bearing, reassemble motor, fly.
>
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> Kevin "Axel" Purtee
> NX899KP
> Austin/Georgetown, TX
>
>
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>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Storms damage Piets |
That picture made me physically ill. Words can't express my sympathy. While outsiders
may see 3 damaged planes, I can only see the thousands of hours of blood,
sweat and tears that were poured into those beautiful machines. The report
I saw from EAA was that there were no significant injuries at the site itself.
I thank God for that and pray for the health and safety for everyone in the
area.
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Gary Wilson
Greenville Wisconsin
gtche98 (at) gmail ((dot)) com
Planning Phase
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Is there a wrecked piet in the mess at Sun n Fun? Check out the attachment.
Stu Brown
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DNt1BKqF3a0
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| Subject: | Re: Storms damage Piets |
A real bummer. :(
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Mark Chouinard
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| Subject: | Re: Corvair Head Work |
Have no doubt... they will turn out superb.
Chuck Campbell wrote:
> I'm having my heads done by Falcon. WW also recommends them. Let you know
> how they turned out when I get them. Chuck
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| Subject: | Re: S2S, S4S, or what? |
[quote="TOMS(at)mcpcity.com"]Keep in mind that if you cut your own the kerf width
of the saw blade will eat up some of your expensive wood. For this reason
a band saw may be a better option than a table saw, particularly if you are cutting
lots of small slices such as cap strip. Many of the cap strip examples
I have seen leave the wood in a fairly rough condition. I chose to sand mine smooth
to help avoid snagging of the cloth when covering. Since I have not covered
anything yet I can not tell you that this was the way to go.
> [b]
I agree with Tom, if you have access to a band saw and a good resaw blade from
Highland Woodworking you can cut your cap strips with a lot less waste and much
safer than a table saw, The resaw blade will leave them smooth enough that
you should barely need sanding.
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Jon Coxwell
GN-1 Builder
Recycle and preserve the planet
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| Subject: | Re: Corvair Head Work |
Ya know, Bill, I read that just now and went, "uh oh."
I rely on you to keep it real:).
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Kevin "Axel" Purtee
NX899KP
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| Subject: | Re: S2S, S4S, or what? |
Wow! Lots of great ideas and advice. Thanks to everyone. I will keep you posted
and put up some pictures soon.
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Semper Fi,
Terry
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| Subject: | Re: S2S, S4S, or what? |
I will second Jon Coxwell's thoughts on the use of the bandsaw. Buy a quality
resawing blade and you'll barely need to sand the sawn edges at all. I've got
a decent blade on mine, and many times I don't even need to sand. Depends on
the type and quality of the wood, and the feed rate you use. Trial and error
will let you know when you have a good feed rate into the blade. And spruce
is definitely much nicer to work with than fir. Fir tends to splinter a lot, and
I'm not fond of picking splinters out of my fingers and hands.
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Billy McCaskill
Urbana, IL
tail section almost done, starting on ribs soon
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Glad to hear that you are all fine after the storm, Dick. Very sad about the damage
to the Piets. Hope that they can be rebuilt eventually.
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Billy McCaskill
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| Subject: | Charles Campell Piet |
Well - Charles is about to get even busier with Piet building. I've sold m
y Corvair stuff to him and tomorrow the boxes start their journey to his pl
ace as the heads depart to Falcon. This guy is on the fast track - that sa
id=2C he's listening to people as seen by his recent spar rebuild decision.
A very good call indeed.
At first selling my Corvair stuff gave me some heartburn but I'm so happy t
o see that it's going to a guy who's serious about getting the project goin
g. I however am on the slow track=2C and have traded my Corvair stuff in f
avor of completion of the airframe. You might say I've robbed Peter to pay
Paul - in this case you'd be right. But I'm ok with it. It seems that in
the course of this project I've either had time or money=2C but not both.
Currently=2C with the recent sale of the Corvair=2C I have money - enough
to complete the airframe. With (2) small children at home=2C time is still
something that is hard to come by. But I will meet my highly ambitious go
al of completing my airplane before the 100th anniversary of the design in
2029. On the way I may even break a record for total length of a project f
rom start to finish. Started in 2001 and much like the Energizer bunny (ex
cept with much less energy) I'm still going=2C and going....
Charles=2C we all can't wait to see you on the flight line at Brodhead some
day - perhaps in 2012?? Keep on keepin on and enjoy the engine build as mu
ch as you've enjoyed the rest. It'll be on its way tomorrow morning.
Tom B.
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| Subject: | Re: Charles Campell Piet |
Tom,
I'd say it was more like you sold out Paul to pay for the Piet-er.
[Wink]
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Billy McCaskill
Urbana, IL
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