---------------------------------------------------------- Pietenpol-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Thu 03/31/11: 66 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 03:13 AM - Corvair blocks/bits (heavyliftpilot) 2. 05:11 AM - Re: Corvair blocks/bits (jarheadpilot82) 3. 05:12 AM - Re: Corvair blocks/bits (jarheadpilot82) 4. 05:38 AM - Re: Corvair blocks/bits (echobravo4) 5. 06:27 AM - Re: Re: Corvair blocks/bits (james theissen) 6. 06:29 AM - Re: Re: Corvair blocks/bits (james theissen) 7. 06:38 AM - Re: Corvair blocks/bits (heavyliftpilot) 8. 06:42 AM - Re: Corvair blocks/bits (heavyliftpilot) 9. 06:43 AM - S2S, S4S, or what? (jarheadpilot82) 10. 07:22 AM - Re: Kyle and Amanda Franklin (Larry Vetter) 11. 07:27 AM - Re: S2S, S4S, or what? (kevinpurtee) 12. 07:31 AM - Re: S2S, S4S, or what? (Scott Knowlton) 13. 07:43 AM - Re: S2S, S4S, or what? (Bill Church) 14. 08:06 AM - Re: S2S, S4S, or what? (Owen Davies) 15. 08:28 AM - Re: S2S, S4S, or what? (TOM STINEMETZE) 16. 08:56 AM - Re: S2S, S4S, or what? (RAMPEYBOY@aol.com) 17. 09:11 AM - Re: Re: S2S, S4S, or what? (SENTUCHOWS@aol.com) 18. 09:57 AM - Re: S2S, S4S, or what? (Michael Perez) 19. 10:29 AM - Sun n Fun (Lawrence Williams) 20. 10:43 AM - Re: S2S, S4S, or what? (Jack) 21. 10:43 AM - Sun n Fun weather (hvandervoo@aol.com) 22. 10:59 AM - Re: Re: S2S, S4S, or what? (Charles Campbell) 23. 10:59 AM - Re: S2S, S4S, or what? (Charles Campbell) 24. 11:03 AM - Re: Sun n Fun (Charles Waldo) 25. 11:10 AM - Re: S2S, S4S, or what? (Charles Campbell) 26. 11:26 AM - Re: S2S, S4S, or what? (RAMPEYBOY@aol.com) 27. 11:30 AM - Re: S2S, S4S, or what? (Charles Campbell) 28. 11:46 AM - Re: S2S, S4S, or what? (Charles Campbell) 29. 11:58 AM - Damage at Sun n' Fun (Ryan M) 30. 12:01 PM - Re: S2S, S4S, or what? (Jim Markle) 31. 01:06 PM - Storms damage Piets (Ken Bickers) 32. 01:15 PM - Re: Damage at Sun n' Fun () 33. 01:31 PM - Re: Damage at Sun n' Fun (Charles Campbell) 34. 01:37 PM - Re: S2S, S4S, or what? (Charles Campbell) 35. 01:38 PM - ugly messes at SNF (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC AEROSPACE CORP]) 36. 01:40 PM - Re: S2S, S4S, or what? (Charles Campbell) 37. 01:42 PM - Re: Damage at Sun n' Fun (hvandervoo@aol.com) 38. 01:47 PM - Re: Damage at Sun n' Fun (Matthew VanDervort) 39. 01:48 PM - Re: Storms damage Piets (Ryan Mueller) 40. 01:56 PM - Re: Damage at Sun n' Fun (Ryan Mueller) 41. 01:57 PM - Re: Damage at Sun n' Fun (DOMIT) 42. 02:14 PM - Re: Damage at Sun n' Fun (airlion) 43. 02:37 PM - Re: Damage at Sun n' Fun (Ryan Mueller) 44. 02:44 PM - Re: ugly messes at SNF (Matt Wash) 45. 03:02 PM - SNF (Dick N) 46. 03:08 PM - Re: Damage at Sun n' Fun (kevinpurtee) 47. 03:43 PM - Re: S2S, S4S, or what? (Bill Church) 48. 03:47 PM - Re: Storms damage Piets (Bill Church) 49. 04:12 PM - Re: S2S, S4S, or what? (Jim Markle) 50. 04:40 PM - 3 Piets wrecked in S&F tornado (Matt Naiva) 51. 04:40 PM - Video of Pietenpols at S&F (Matt Naiva) 52. 04:46 PM - Re: Re: Storms damage Piets (helspersew@aol.com) 53. 04:54 PM - Corvair Head Work (kevinpurtee) 54. 05:05 PM - Re: Corvair Head Work (Bill Church) 55. 05:28 PM - Re: Corvair Head Work (Charles Campbell) 56. 05:34 PM - Re: Storms damage Piets (gtche98) 57. 06:20 PM - Wrecked Piet?? (Stu Brown) 58. 07:59 PM - Re: Storms damage Piets (K5YAC) 59. 08:01 PM - Re: Corvair Head Work (K5YAC) 60. 08:23 PM - Re: S2S, S4S, or what? (coxwelljon) 61. 08:35 PM - Re: Corvair Head Work (kevinpurtee) 62. 08:45 PM - Re: S2S, S4S, or what? (jarheadpilot82) 63. 09:02 PM - Re: S2S, S4S, or what? (Billy McCaskill) 64. 09:17 PM - Re: SNF (Billy McCaskill) 65. 09:43 PM - Charles Campell Piet (TOM MICHELLE BRANT) 66. 10:19 PM - Re: Charles Campell Piet (Billy McCaskill) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 03:13:48 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Corvair blocks/bits From: "heavyliftpilot" Hi everyone. If anyone is interested in Corvair parts, i have 2 blocks (both have cranks) one has the factory nitrated crank)...both have the rods and cams. No heads (sorry). I live near Savannah, Ga, so it's easy access from I-95 on your way to SNF. Thanks!!! James T. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=335552#335552 ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 05:11:57 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Corvair blocks/bits From: "jarheadpilot82" Price? I live in Athens, and could drive over and get it/them. -------- Semper Fi, Terry Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=335555#335555 ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 05:12:07 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Corvair blocks/bits From: "jarheadpilot82" Price? I live in Athens, and could drive over and get it/them. -------- Semper Fi, Terry Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=335556#335556 ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 05:38:35 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Corvair blocks/bits From: "echobravo4" Well, I guess the "secret" is out about which engine you are going to use! -------- Earl Brown I may not have gone where I intended to go, but I think I have ended up where I intended to be. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=335559#335559 ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 06:27:27 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Corvair blocks/bits From: james theissen Hi Terry, i'm looking to get 100 for the regular crank & block and 150 (for the nitraded crank & block). thanks, james On Thu, Mar 31, 2011 at 7:49 AM, jarheadpilot82 wrote: > > Price? I live in Athens, and could drive over and get it/them. > > -------- > Semper Fi, > > Terry > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=335556#335556 > > ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 06:29:57 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Corvair blocks/bits From: james theissen Hi Earl, both blocks are the right numbers (for aircraft use, i just don't have the numbers off hand to list that), but one does have the nitraded crank. thanks...james t On Thu, Mar 31, 2011 at 8:15 AM, echobravo4 wrote: > > Well, I guess the "secret" is out about which engine you are going to use! > > -------- > Earl Brown > > I may not have gone where I intended to go, but I think I have ended up where I intended to be. > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=335559#335559 > > ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 06:38:38 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Corvair blocks/bits From: "heavyliftpilot" Hi again Terry, just went to the piet/matronics site...i see your a 'jarheadpilot'....i'm a 'heavyliftpilot' (CH-47D), with the Nat Gaurd here in savannah. james Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=335564#335564 ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 06:42:39 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Corvair blocks/bits From: "heavyliftpilot" Hi again Terry, just went to the piet/matronics site...i see your a 'jarheadpilot'....i'm a 'heavyliftpilot' (CH-47D), with the Nat Gaurd here in savannah. james Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=335565#335565 ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 06:43:01 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: S2S, S4S, or what? From: "jarheadpilot82" Well, my plans are on order, I am pricing wood (a painful endeavor), and I have come up with a question. I live in the South, so it is not very easy to purchase wood here locally (unless you want to build your airplane with pine. Not happenin'). So, trying to be the scrounger and cost conscious builder, I am wondering the following- 1. I am going to do the wing ribs first. A common place to start. Is it necessary to use S4S, can you get by with S2S, or can I purchase lumber and cut it to size myself? I am guessing the answer is that I need (at a minimum) S2S, otherwise I need to take rougher lumber and either plane it myself, or have someone do it for me so that the strips are all the same thickness. 2. Is there a reason for the capstrips to be finished on all four sides, or can I cut them on my table saw the correct width, then lightly sand them prior to varnishing them? My preference would be to ship larger pieces of spruce or fir, and then plane and cut them myself. If you are telling me I absolutely need S4S or S2S then that is what I will do. Thanks in advance for the advice. Probably it is a silly question, but I want to do things right. We used to say in the Marine Corps, "There is no such thing as a dumb question, although, there are some that come extremely close." This may be on of those close questions. -------- Semper Fi, Terry Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=335566#335566 ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 07:22:43 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Kyle and Amanda Franklin From: "Larry Vetter" Sorry, I should have posted this earlier. You can keep up with updates at Caringbridge.org when you get to the caringbridge page you type in amandafranklin ( no spaces)in the place it ask what website you want to visit. You will have to enter an email address and then create a password, but you will be sent any updates to the journal. You can sign the geastbook as well. Here are a couple good places to donate, all donations go to them http://www.moonlightfund.org orwww.icasfoundation.org Amanda has a long recovery road ahead of her and needs all the prayers and support they both can get. Thanks Larry Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=335569#335569 ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 07:27:09 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: S2S, S4S, or what? From: "kevinpurtee" I ask dumb questions all the time and they're happy to tell me about it. You can do all the milling/planing/finishing yourself if you have the tools. I think you mentioned you're a woodworker. If I had a decent tablesaw and maybe a planer I would not hesitate to do my own milling. If you don't like your local wood you can do as you said and order larger pieces of stock from one of the aircraft supply houses. There may be some other sources as well, the group will certainly tell you about them. There's a recent thread talking about how many big boards you need to whittle down to make all your rib stock. -------- Kevin "Axel" Purtee NX899KP Austin/Georgetown, TX Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=335572#335572 ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 07:31:23 AM PST US From: "Scott Knowlton " Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: S2S, S4S, or what? Terry, My two cents... I attended Charlie Rubick's rib forum at Brodhead in 2004 or so and followed his method with good success using two rough sawn 2x8 by 12 Sitka boards. Cut all ribstock 1/4 by 1/2 on a tablesaw with a fine cutting blade and a true fence and featherboard. Lightly sand the capstrip with a block sander before dimensioning the pieces. Each rib you build will likely have small imperfections in height where the intercoastals meet. Prior to gluing gussetts just remove the height difference with a bastard file. Charlie built his ribs with red cedar floor boards. Pleanty strong he said because the ribs are overbuilt. Have fun! Scott Knowlton -----Original Message----- From: jarheadpilot82 Subject: Pietenpol-List: S2S, S4S, or what? Well, my plans are on order, I am pricing wood (a painful endeavor), and I have come up with a question. I live in the South, so it is not very easy to purchase wood here locally (unless you want to build your airplane with pine. Not happenin'). So, trying to be the scrounger and cost conscious builder, I am wondering the following- 1. I am going to do the wing ribs first. A common place to start. Is it necessary to use S4S, can you get by with S2S, or can I purchase lumber and cut it to size myself? I am guessing the answer is that I need (at a minimum) S2S, otherwise I need to take rougher lumber and either plane it myself, or have someone do it for me so that the strips are all the same thickness. 2. Is there a reason for the capstrips to be finished on all four sides, or can I cut them on my table saw the correct width, then lightly sand them prior to varnishing them? My preference would be to ship larger pieces of spruce or fir, and then plane and cut them myself. If you are telling me I absolutely need S4S or S2S then that is what I will do. Thanks in advance for the advice. Probably it is a silly question, but I want to do things right. We used to say in the Marine Corps, "There is no such thing as a dumb question, although, there are some that come extremely close." This may be on of those close questions. -------- Semper Fi, Terry Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=335566#335566 ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 07:43:51 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: S2S, S4S, or what? From: "Bill Church" Terry, The answer depends on the equipment you have at your disposal, and how much you enjoy cutting wood. It sounds like you have a tablesaw, but not a thickness planer. Provided the wood you can get is not too rough, to cut your own capstrips and even longerons, a half-decent tablesaw is all you really need. I bought rough sawn Sitka and cut all of my wood myself from 2" x 6" planks. I did run my boards through a thickness planer (S2S), but only because I have one. But if I didn't have the planer, I could have easily done the job without planing, because the boards were good quality, with no cupping or twist. You would just need to get one straight side on the plank to work from, and just use the tablesaw blade to remove the rough sawn surface. It just requires a few extra passes through the saw, and possible a very slight reduction in the yield from a board. One thing I would recommend is that you invest $50 or so in a nice NEW ripping blade for your tablesaw. And, if you don't already have one, get yourself a featherboard. The featherboard will help maintain consistant thicknesses and prevent kickback. You can rip through the wing rib capstrips in an afternoon, once you're set up. And, for what it's worth, I'd spend the few extra bucks for Sitka over DF. It's just WAY nicer to work with, and lighter too. Bill C. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=335574#335574 ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 08:06:02 AM PST US From: Owen Davies Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: S2S, S4S, or what? On 3/31/2011 9:20 AM, jarheadpilot82 wrote: > 1. I am going to do the wing ribs first. A common place to start. Is it necessary to use S4S, can you get by with S2S, or can I purchase lumber and cut it to size myself? I am guessing the answer is that I need (at a minimum) S2S, otherwise I need to take rougher lumber and either plane it myself, or have someone do it for me so that the strips are all the same thickness. For whatever it's worth, I sawed mine a bit large and shaved them to exact size with a down-spiral bit in a router table. It worked pretty well, but the strips would have come out fine if I had just cut it with a planer blade on the table saw. Owen ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 08:28:41 AM PST US From: "TOM STINEMETZE" Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: S2S, S4S, or what? Keep in mind that if you cut your own the kerf width of the saw blade will eat up some of your expensive wood. For this reason a band saw may be a better option than a table saw, particularly if you are cutting lots of small slices such as cap strip. Many of the cap strip examples I have seen leave the wood in a fairly rough condition. I chose to sand mine smooth to help avoid snagging of the cloth when covering. Since I have not covered anything yet I can not tell you that this was the way to go. By the way, there are no dumb questions although you may see the occasional dumb answer. What is dumb is failure to ask the question and then having to redo the part later as a consequence. (voice of experience) Tom Stinemetze N328X >>> "kevinpurtee" 3/31/2011 9:04 AM >>> I ask dumb questions all the time and they're happy to tell me about it. You can do all the milling/planing/finishing yourself if you have the tools. ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 08:56:31 AM PST US From: RAMPEYBOY@aol.com Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: S2S, S4S, or what? So what is S2S, S4S? In a message dated 3/31/2011 11:07:21 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, owen5819@comcast.net writes: --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Owen Davies On 3/31/2011 9:20 AM, jarheadpilot82 wrote: > 1. I am going to do the wing ribs first. A common place to start. Is it necessary to use S4S, can you get by with S2S, or can I purchase lumber and cut it to size myself? I am guessing the answer is that I need (at a minimum) S2S, otherwise I need to take rougher lumber and either plane it myself, or have someone do it for me so that the strips are all the same thickness. For whatever it's worth, I sawed mine a bit large and shaved them to exact size with a down-spiral bit in a router table. It worked pretty well, but the strips would have come out fine if I had just cut it with a planer blade on the table saw. Owen ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 09:11:22 AM PST US From: SENTUCHOWS@aol.com Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: S2S, S4S, or what? The answers have been correct. I bought all my dimensioned wood in the form of Spar material. (Spruce from AS.) Get a good rip blade, around 26 teeth on a 10" blade. Don't use a combo blade.Plan your cuts. Start with the biggest pieces first. You can make your own feather boards. Good luck Dave ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 09:57:44 AM PST US From: Michael Perez Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: S2S, S4S, or what? I had been making furniture, so I have the wood working tools to make my ow n wood pieces from bulk.- I bought 98% of all of my sitka in bulk; usuall y- 8 to 10" wide, 1" thick, 8 feet, long.- Used the table saw to cut in to strips, used a planner to get exactly .5" X .25" Saved money, but used up more of my time. However, I really enjoy making th ings from scratch, so my time was well spent having fun. Michael Perez =0AKaretaker Aero =0Awww.karetakeraero.com - ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 10:29:46 AM PST US From: Lawrence Williams Subject: Pietenpol-List: Sun n Fun Looks like I picked a good year to skip Sun n Fun!! Hope everyone comes through it OK. Larry Do not archive ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 10:43:12 AM PST US From: "Jack" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: S2S, S4S, or what? Terry, Congratulations, you are entering into a fantastic journey, one I couldn't do without. I'm already thinking what my next project will be. I cut and planed all my wood with the exception of the capstrips. They are pretty small and you waste a LOT of expensive wood milling yourself. It will be much easier to fit the rib parts properly if it's S4S. I have Douglas Fir and Sitka in my ship. The Spruce is much better to work with. Enjoy! Jack DSM -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of jarheadpilot82 Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2011 8:21 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: S2S, S4S, or what? Well, my plans are on order, I am pricing wood (a painful endeavor), and I have come up with a question. I live in the South, so it is not very easy to purchase wood here locally (unless you want to build your airplane with pine. Not happenin'). So, trying to be the scrounger and cost conscious builder, I am wondering the following- 1. I am going to do the wing ribs first. A common place to start. Is it necessary to use S4S, can you get by with S2S, or can I purchase lumber and cut it to size myself? I am guessing the answer is that I need (at a minimum) S2S, otherwise I need to take rougher lumber and either plane it myself, or have someone do it for me so that the strips are all the same thickness. 2. Is there a reason for the capstrips to be finished on all four sides, or can I cut them on my table saw the correct width, then lightly sand them prior to varnishing them? My preference would be to ship larger pieces of spruce or fir, and then plane and cut them myself. If you are telling me I absolutely need S4S or S2S then that is what I will do. Thanks in advance for the advice. Probably it is a silly question, but I want to do things right. We used to say in the Marine Corps, "There is no such thing as a dumb question, although, there are some that come extremely close." This may be on of those close questions. -------- Semper Fi, Terry Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=335566#335566 ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 10:43:21 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Sun n Fun weather From: hvandervoo@aol.com FYI http://www.kdvr.com/news/nationworld/os-hanger-collapse-lakeland-airport-20 110331,0,7453911.story Tornado at Lakeland during Sun n Fun Pray for everyone's well being Hans NX 15KV ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 10:59:18 AM PST US From: "Charles Campbell" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: S2S, S4S, or what? #2. I recommend spruce over douglas fir also. I just went through a very dissapointing experience by using fir (see the 'wings' thread of the past few days). A/S sells 1/4X1/2 capstrip for $ 0.32 per foot. 500 ft would be $160. Unless you can buy spruce boards a lot cheaper than that, I would recommend buying the capstrip already cut - ready to use. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Church" Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2011 10:21 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: S2S, S4S, or what? > > > Terry, > The answer depends on the equipment you have at your disposal, and how > much you enjoy cutting wood. It sounds like you have a tablesaw, but not a > thickness planer. Provided the wood you can get is not too rough, to cut > your own capstrips and even longerons, a half-decent tablesaw is all you > really need. I bought rough sawn Sitka and cut all of my wood myself from > 2" x 6" planks. I did run my boards through a thickness planer (S2S), but > only because I have one. But if I didn't have the planer, I could have > easily done the job without planing, because the boards were good quality, > with no cupping or twist. You would just need to get one straight side on > the plank to work from, and just use the tablesaw blade to remove the > rough sawn surface. It just requires a few extra passes through the saw, > and possible a very slight reduction in the yield from a board. > One thing I would recommend is that you invest $50 or so in a nice NEW > ripping blade for your tablesaw. And, if you don't already have one, get > yourself a featherboard. The featherboard will help maintain consistant > thicknesses and prevent kickback. You can rip through the wing rib > capstrips in an afternoon, once you're set up. > And, for what it's worth, I'd spend the few extra bucks for Sitka over DF. > It's just WAY nicer to work with, and lighter too. > > Bill C. > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=335574#335574 > > > ________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ Time: 10:59:24 AM PST US From: "Charles Campbell" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: S2S, S4S, or what? Terry, my son has a very accurate table saw and we sawed the 1/2 x 1/4 strips on it and they turned out great. One 12-foot 1X6 sawn in two makes, of course, two 6-foot pieces. we got 16 1/4-inch wide (96 feet) strips out of each six-foot board. We used a very fine saw blade and we didn't feel that any sanding was necessary. The wing will use up about 500 feet of cap strip so 6 six-foot (3 twelve-foot) 1X6 boards will yield about 576 feet of cap strip. If you use a thicker saw blade (1/8-inch thick) you will get only 14 strips out of a 5.5-inch wide board, but that will still yield about 504 feet of strip. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Scott Knowlton " Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2011 10:08 AM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: S2S, S4S, or what? > > > Terry, > My two cents... I attended Charlie Rubick's rib forum at Brodhead in 2004 > or so and followed his method with good success using two rough sawn 2x8 > by 12 Sitka boards. Cut all ribstock 1/4 by 1/2 on a tablesaw with a fine > cutting blade and a true fence and featherboard. Lightly sand the > capstrip with a block sander before dimensioning the pieces. Each rib you > build will likely have small imperfections in height where the > intercoastals meet. Prior to gluing gussetts just remove the height > difference with a bastard file. Charlie built his ribs with red cedar > floor boards. Pleanty strong he said because the ribs are overbuilt. > Have fun! > > Scott Knowlton > > -----Original Message----- > From: jarheadpilot82 > Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2011 13:20:33 > To: > Subject: Pietenpol-List: S2S, S4S, or what? > > > > Well, my plans are on order, I am pricing wood (a painful endeavor), and I > have come up with a question. I live in the South, so it is not very easy > to purchase wood here locally (unless you want to build your airplane with > pine. Not happenin'). So, trying to be the scrounger and cost conscious > builder, I am wondering the following- > > 1. I am going to do the wing ribs first. A common place to start. Is it > necessary to use S4S, can you get by with S2S, or can I purchase lumber > and cut it to size myself? I am guessing the answer is that I need (at a > minimum) S2S, otherwise I need to take rougher lumber and either plane it > myself, or have someone do it for me so that the strips are all the same > thickness. > > 2. Is there a reason for the capstrips to be finished on all four sides, > or can I cut them on my table saw the correct width, then lightly sand > them prior to varnishing them? > > My preference would be to ship larger pieces of spruce or fir, and then > plane and cut them myself. If you are telling me I absolutely need S4S or > S2S then that is what I will do. > > Thanks in advance for the advice. Probably it is a silly question, but I > want to do things right. We used to say in the Marine Corps, "There is no > such thing as a dumb question, although, there are some that come > extremely close." This may be on of those close questions. > > -------- > Semper Fi, > > Terry > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=335566#335566 > > > ________________________________ Message 24 ____________________________________ Time: 11:03:57 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Sun n Fun From: Charles Waldo Will be there friday...I'll try and post some picts... Chuck Waldo do not archive On Thu, Mar 31, 2011 at 1:02 PM, Lawrence Williams wrote: > Looks like I picked a good year to skip Sun n Fun!! Hope everyone comes > through it OK. > > Larry > > Do not archive > > * > > * > > ________________________________ Message 25 ____________________________________ Time: 11:10:27 AM PST US From: "Charles Campbell" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: S2S, S4S, or what? S2S is finished on only 2 sides - the other 2 are rough. S4S is finished all 4 sides. OK? ----- Original Message ----- From: RAMPEYBOY@aol.com To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2011 11:17 AM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: S2S, S4S, or what? So what is S2S, S4S? In a message dated 3/31/2011 11:07:21 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, owen5819@comcast.net writes: On 3/31/2011 9:20 AM, jarheadpilot82 wrote: > 1. I am going to do the wing ribs first. A common place to start. Is it necessary to use S4S, can you get by with S2S, or can I purchase lumber and cut it to size myself? I am guessing the answer is that I need (at a minimum) S2S, otherwise I need to take rougher lumber and either plane it myself, or have someone do it for me so that the strips are all the same thickness. For whatever it's worth, I sawed mine a bit large and shaved them to exact size with a down-spiral bit in a router table. It worked pretty well, but the strips would have come out fine if I had just cut it with a planer blade on the table ========================b sp; Use the ties Day ======================= - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS ======================= - List Contribution Web Site sp; ________________________________ Message 26 ____________________________________ Time: 11:26:03 AM PST US From: RAMPEYBOY@aol.com Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: S2S, S4S, or what? got it! I thought that was the answer, but wanted to be sure. I don't post here much, but one day when I get rich I'm selling my Mustang II project and building a Pietenpol! In a message dated 3/31/2011 2:10:47 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, cncampbell@windstream.net writes: S2S is finished on only 2 sides - the other 2 are rough. S4S is finished all 4 sides. OK? ----- Original Message ----- From: _RAMPEYBOY@aol.com_ (mailto:RAMPEYBOY@aol.com) Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2011 11:17 AM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: S2S, S4S, or what? So what is S2S, S4S? In a message dated 3/31/2011 11:07:21 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, _owen5819@comcast.net_ (mailto:owen5819@comcast.net) writes: (mailto:owen5819@comcast.net) > On 3/31/2011 9:20 AM, jarheadpilot82 wrote: > 1. I am going to do the wing ribs first. A common place to start. Is it necessary to use S4S, can you get by with S2S, or can I purchase lumber and cut it to size myself? I am guessing the answer is that I need (at a minimum) S2S, otherwise I need to take rougher lumber and either plane it myself, or have someone do it for me so that the strips are all the same thickness. For whatever it's worth, I sawed mine a bit large and shaved them to exact size with a down-spiral bit in a router table. It worked pretty well, but the strips would have come out fine if I had just cut it with a planer blade on the table ========================bsp; Use the ties Day ======================= - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS ======================= - List Contribution Web Site sp; href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c (http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List) (http://www.matronics.com/contribution) ________________________________ Message 27 ____________________________________ Time: 11:30:24 AM PST US From: "Charles Campbell" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: S2S, S4S, or what? I'm going to show my lack of education (the high school I attended didn't have a wood working class). What is a featherboard? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Scott Knowlton " Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2011 10:08 AM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: S2S, S4S, or what? > > > Terry, > My two cents... I attended Charlie Rubick's rib forum at Brodhead in 2004 > or so and followed his method with good success using two rough sawn 2x8 > by 12 Sitka boards. Cut all ribstock 1/4 by 1/2 on a tablesaw with a fine > cutting blade and a true fence and featherboard. Lightly sand the > capstrip with a block sander before dimensioning the pieces. Each rib you > build will likely have small imperfections in height where the > intercoastals meet. Prior to gluing gussetts just remove the height > difference with a bastard file. Charlie built his ribs with red cedar > floor boards. Pleanty strong he said because the ribs are overbuilt. > Have fun! > > Scott Knowlton > > -----Original Message----- > From: jarheadpilot82 > Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2011 13:20:33 > To: > Subject: Pietenpol-List: S2S, S4S, or what? > > > > Well, my plans are on order, I am pricing wood (a painful endeavor), and I > have come up with a question. I live in the South, so it is not very easy > to purchase wood here locally (unless you want to build your airplane with > pine. Not happenin'). So, trying to be the scrounger and cost conscious > builder, I am wondering the following- > > 1. I am going to do the wing ribs first. A common place to start. Is it > necessary to use S4S, can you get by with S2S, or can I purchase lumber > and cut it to size myself? I am guessing the answer is that I need (at a > minimum) S2S, otherwise I need to take rougher lumber and either plane it > myself, or have someone do it for me so that the strips are all the same > thickness. > > 2. Is there a reason for the capstrips to be finished on all four sides, > or can I cut them on my table saw the correct width, then lightly sand > them prior to varnishing them? > > My preference would be to ship larger pieces of spruce or fir, and then > plane and cut them myself. If you are telling me I absolutely need S4S or > S2S then that is what I will do. > > Thanks in advance for the advice. Probably it is a silly question, but I > want to do things right. We used to say in the Marine Corps, "There is no > such thing as a dumb question, although, there are some that come > extremely close." This may be on of those close questions. > > -------- > Semper Fi, > > Terry > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=335566#335566 > > > ________________________________ Message 28 ____________________________________ Time: 11:46:12 AM PST US From: "Charles Campbell" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: S2S, S4S, or what? Amen!!!!! Do not archive ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jack" Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2011 1:16 PM Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: S2S, S4S, or what? > > Terry, > Congratulations, you are entering into a fantastic journey, one I couldn't > do without. I'm already thinking what my next project will be. > > I cut and planed all my wood with the exception of the capstrips. They > are > pretty small and you waste a LOT of expensive wood milling yourself. It > will be much easier to fit the rib parts properly if it's S4S. I have > Douglas Fir and Sitka in my ship. The Spruce is much better to work with. > > Enjoy! > Jack > DSM > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of > jarheadpilot82 > Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2011 8:21 AM > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > Subject: Pietenpol-List: S2S, S4S, or what? > > > > Well, my plans are on order, I am pricing wood (a painful endeavor), and I > have come up with a question. I live in the South, so it is not very easy > to > purchase wood here locally (unless you want to build your airplane with > pine. Not happenin'). So, trying to be the scrounger and cost conscious > builder, I am wondering the following- > > 1. I am going to do the wing ribs first. A common place to start. Is it > necessary to use S4S, can you get by with S2S, or can I purchase lumber > and > cut it to size myself? I am guessing the answer is that I need (at a > minimum) S2S, otherwise I need to take rougher lumber and either plane it > myself, or have someone do it for me so that the strips are all the same > thickness. > > 2. Is there a reason for the capstrips to be finished on all four sides, > or > can I cut them on my table saw the correct width, then lightly sand them > prior to varnishing them? > > My preference would be to ship larger pieces of spruce or fir, and then > plane and cut them myself. If you are telling me I absolutely need S4S or > S2S then that is what I will do. > > Thanks in advance for the advice. Probably it is a silly question, but I > want to do things right. We used to say in the Marine Corps, "There is no > such thing as a dumb question, although, there are some that come > extremely > close." This may be on of those close questions. > > -------- > Semper Fi, > > Terry > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=335566#335566 > > > ________________________________ Message 29 ____________________________________ Time: 11:58:20 AM PST US From: Ryan M Subject: Pietenpol-List: Damage at Sun n' Fun Were praying for all our friends out at Sun n' Fun. We're seeing a lot of bad weather down here, reports of a tornado, damaged buildings and aircraft. http://www.theledger.com/apps/pbcs.dll/gallery?Dato 110331&Kategori=PHOTOS51&Lopenr=331009999&Ref=PH&pl=1 Pictures; http://www.theledger.com/apps/pbcs.dll/gallery?Dato 110331&Kategori=PHOTOS51&Lopenr=331009999&Ref=PH&pl=1 ________________________________ Message 30 ____________________________________ Time: 12:01:11 PM PST US From: Jim Markle Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: S2S, S4S, or what? Something you'll not want to EVER use a table saw without..... Here's an example of one: http://images.meredith.com/wood/images/2008/02/m_easylock1.jpg Holds stock nice and snug.... JM -----Original Message----- >From: Charles Campbell >Sent: Mar 31, 2011 1:25 PM >To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com >Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: S2S, S4S, or what? > > >I'm going to show my lack of education (the high school I attended didn't >have a wood working class). What is a featherboard? > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Scott Knowlton " >To: "jarheadpilot82 " ; > >Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2011 10:08 AM >Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: S2S, S4S, or what? > > >> >> >> Terry, >> My two cents... I attended Charlie Rubick's rib forum at Brodhead in 2004 >> or so and followed his method with good success using two rough sawn 2x8 >> by 12 Sitka boards. Cut all ribstock 1/4 by 1/2 on a tablesaw with a fine >> cutting blade and a true fence and featherboard. Lightly sand the >> capstrip with a block sander before dimensioning the pieces. Each rib you >> build will likely have small imperfections in height where the >> intercoastals meet. Prior to gluing gussetts just remove the height >> difference with a bastard file. Charlie built his ribs with red cedar >> floor boards. Pleanty strong he said because the ribs are overbuilt. >> Have fun! >> >> Scott Knowlton >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: jarheadpilot82 >> Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2011 13:20:33 >> To: >> Subject: Pietenpol-List: S2S, S4S, or what? >> >> >> >> Well, my plans are on order, I am pricing wood (a painful endeavor), and I >> have come up with a question. I live in the South, so it is not very easy >> to purchase wood here locally (unless you want to build your airplane with >> pine. Not happenin'). So, trying to be the scrounger and cost conscious >> builder, I am wondering the following- >> >> 1. I am going to do the wing ribs first. A common place to start. Is it >> necessary to use S4S, can you get by with S2S, or can I purchase lumber >> and cut it to size myself? I am guessing the answer is that I need (at a >> minimum) S2S, otherwise I need to take rougher lumber and either plane it >> myself, or have someone do it for me so that the strips are all the same >> thickness. >> >> 2. Is there a reason for the capstrips to be finished on all four sides, >> or can I cut them on my table saw the correct width, then lightly sand >> them prior to varnishing them? >> >> My preference would be to ship larger pieces of spruce or fir, and then >> plane and cut them myself. If you are telling me I absolutely need S4S or >> S2S then that is what I will do. >> >> Thanks in advance for the advice. Probably it is a silly question, but I >> want to do things right. We used to say in the Marine Corps, "There is no >> such thing as a dumb question, although, there are some that come >> extremely close." This may be on of those close questions. >> >> -------- >> Semper Fi, >> >> Terry >> >> >> >> >> Read this topic online here: >> >> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=335566#335566 >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > ________________________________ Message 31 ____________________________________ Time: 01:06:03 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Storms damage Piets From: Ken Bickers The storms that rolled through Sun 'n Fun apparently snagged some Pietenpols. This is painful to see. Ken ________________________________ Message 32 ____________________________________ Time: 01:15:10 PM PST US From: Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Damage at Sun n' Fun --- MIME Errors - No Plain-Text Section Found --- A message with no text/plain MIME section was received. The entire body of the message was removed. Please resend the email using Plain Text formatting. HOTMAIL is notorious for only including an HTML section in their client's default configuration. If you're using HOTMAIL, please see your email application's settings and switch to a default mail option that uses "Plain Text". --- MIME Errors No Plain-Text Section Found --- ________________________________ Message 33 ____________________________________ Time: 01:31:03 PM PST US From: "Charles Campbell" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Damage at Sun n' Fun Wonder whose AirCamper that is that's turned upside down on another airplane? Do not archive. ----- Original Message ----- From: Ryan M To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2011 2:53 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Damage at Sun n' Fun Were praying for all our friends out at Sun n' Fun. We're seeing a lot of bad weather down here, reports of a tornado, damaged buildings and aircraft. http://www.theledger.com/apps/pbcs.dll/gallery?Dato 110331&Kategori= PHOTOS51&Lopenr=331009999&Ref=PH&pl=1 Pictures; http://www.theledger.com/apps/pbcs.dll/gallery?Dato 110331&Kategori= PHOTOS51&Lopenr=331009999&Ref=PH&pl=1 ________________________________ Message 34 ____________________________________ Time: 01:37:42 PM PST US From: "Charles Campbell" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: S2S, S4S, or what? >From what I gather at the A/S catalogue page on the internet, 4" wide spar stock is the smallest S2S lumber you can buy. Anyone have a different opinion? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Owen Davies" Sent: Friday, April 01, 2011 10:20 AM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: S2S, S4S, or what? > > On 3/31/2011 9:20 AM, jarheadpilot82 wrote: >> 1. I am going to do the wing ribs first. A common place to start. Is it >> necessary to use S4S, can you get by with S2S, or can I purchase lumber >> and cut it to size myself? I am guessing the answer is that I need (at a >> minimum) S2S, otherwise I need to take rougher lumber and either plane it >> myself, or have someone do it for me so that the strips are all the same >> thickness. > For whatever it's worth, I sawed mine a bit large and shaved them to exact > size with a down-spiral bit in a router table. It worked pretty well, but > the strips would have come out fine if I had just cut it with a planer > blade on the table saw. > > Owen > > > ________________________________ Message 35 ____________________________________ Time: 01:38:05 PM PST US From: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC AEROSPACE CORP]" Subject: Pietenpol-List: ugly messes at SNF Just heard and UN-verified word that some Piets might have suffered damage down there. Stay tuned. Scroll down for more insurance claims. Mike C. ________________________________ Message 36 ____________________________________ Time: 01:40:20 PM PST US From: "Charles Campbell" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: S2S, S4S, or what? Jim, what do you do -- clamp the featherboard to the saw table? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Markle" Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2011 2:57 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: S2S, S4S, or what? > > > Something you'll not want to EVER use a table saw without..... > > Here's an example of one: > > http://images.meredith.com/wood/images/2008/02/m_easylock1.jpg > > Holds stock nice and snug.... > > JM > > > -----Original Message----- >>From: Charles Campbell >>Sent: Mar 31, 2011 1:25 PM >>To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com >>Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: S2S, S4S, or what? >> >> >> >>I'm going to show my lack of education (the high school I attended didn't >>have a wood working class). What is a featherboard? >> >>----- Original Message ----- >>From: "Scott Knowlton " >>To: "jarheadpilot82 " ; >> >>Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2011 10:08 AM >>Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: S2S, S4S, or what? >> >> >>> >>> >>> Terry, >>> My two cents... I attended Charlie Rubick's rib forum at Brodhead in >>> 2004 >>> or so and followed his method with good success using two rough sawn 2x8 >>> by 12 Sitka boards. Cut all ribstock 1/4 by 1/2 on a tablesaw with a >>> fine >>> cutting blade and a true fence and featherboard. Lightly sand the >>> capstrip with a block sander before dimensioning the pieces. Each rib >>> you >>> build will likely have small imperfections in height where the >>> intercoastals meet. Prior to gluing gussetts just remove the height >>> difference with a bastard file. Charlie built his ribs with red cedar >>> floor boards. Pleanty strong he said because the ribs are overbuilt. >>> Have fun! >>> >>> Scott Knowlton >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: jarheadpilot82 >>> Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2011 13:20:33 >>> To: >>> Subject: Pietenpol-List: S2S, S4S, or what? >>> >>> >>> >>> Well, my plans are on order, I am pricing wood (a painful endeavor), and >>> I >>> have come up with a question. I live in the South, so it is not very >>> easy >>> to purchase wood here locally (unless you want to build your airplane >>> with >>> pine. Not happenin'). So, trying to be the scrounger and cost conscious >>> builder, I am wondering the following- >>> >>> 1. I am going to do the wing ribs first. A common place to start. Is it >>> necessary to use S4S, can you get by with S2S, or can I purchase lumber >>> and cut it to size myself? I am guessing the answer is that I need (at a >>> minimum) S2S, otherwise I need to take rougher lumber and either plane >>> it >>> myself, or have someone do it for me so that the strips are all the same >>> thickness. >>> >>> 2. Is there a reason for the capstrips to be finished on all four sides, >>> or can I cut them on my table saw the correct width, then lightly sand >>> them prior to varnishing them? >>> >>> My preference would be to ship larger pieces of spruce or fir, and then >>> plane and cut them myself. If you are telling me I absolutely need S4S >>> or >>> S2S then that is what I will do. >>> >>> Thanks in advance for the advice. Probably it is a silly question, but I >>> want to do things right. We used to say in the Marine Corps, "There is >>> no >>> such thing as a dumb question, although, there are some that come >>> extremely close." This may be on of those close questions. >>> >>> -------- >>> Semper Fi, >>> >>> Terry >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Read this topic online here: >>> >>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=335566#335566 >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> > > > ________________________________ Message 37 ____________________________________ Time: 01:42:42 PM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Damage at Sun n' Fun From: hvandervoo@aol.com Looks like three, two of the reg numbers end with BP Frank Metcalfs is NX 971BP All seem Corvair powered. Steel tube "Big Piets" from Georgia? Hans NX15KV -----Original Message----- From: jack Sent: Thu, Mar 31, 2011 3:15 pm Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Damage at Sun n' Fun Oh Lord, I beleive three Piets in pics, hope everyone is ok. So sorry, Jack DSM -------- Original Message -------- Subject: Pietenpol-List: Damage at Sun n' Fun From: Ryan M Were praying for all our friends out at Sun n' Fun. We're seeing a lot of b ad weather down here, reports of a tornado, damaged buildings and aircraft. http://www.theledger.com/apps/pbcs.dll/gallery?Dato 110331&Kategori=P HOTOS51&Lopenr=331009999&Ref=PH&pl=1 Pictures; http://www.theledger.com/apps/pbcs.dll/gallery?Dato 110331&Kategori=P HOTOS51&Lopenr=331009999&Ref=PH&pl=1 " target=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List ://forums.matronics.com lank>http://www.matronics.com/contribution ________________________________ Message 38 ____________________________________ Time: 01:47:41 PM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Damage at Sun n' Fun From: Matthew VanDervort Isn't that one of the 'big piets' on the bottom? Sure is a tragedy Sent from my iPhone On Mar 31, 2011, at 4:25 PM, "Charles Campbell" w rote: > Wonder whose AirCamper that is that's turned upside down on another airpla ne? > > Do not archive. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Ryan M > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2011 2:53 PM > Subject: Pietenpol-List: Damage at Sun n' Fun > > Were praying for all our friends out at Sun n' Fun. We're seeing a lot of b ad weather down here, reports of a tornado, damaged buildings and aircraft. > > > http://www.theledger.com/apps/pbcs.dll/gallery?Dato 110331&Kategori= PHOTOS51&Lopenr=331009999&Ref=PH&pl=1 > > Pictures; > http://www.theledger.com/apps/pbcs.dll/gallery?Dato 110331&Kategori= PHOTOS51&Lopenr=331009999&Ref=PH&pl=1 > > > > href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List">http://www.matr onics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List > href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com > href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c > > ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= > ________________________________ Message 39 ____________________________________ Time: 01:48:46 PM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Storms damage Piets From: Ryan Mueller Son of a bitch.....that looks like two Big Piets and Gardiner.... On Thu, Mar 31, 2011 at 3:02 PM, Ken Bickers wrote: > The storms that rolled through Sun 'n Fun apparently snagged some > Pietenpols. This is painful to see. Ken > ________________________________ Message 40 ____________________________________ Time: 01:56:20 PM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Damage at Sun n' Fun From: Ryan Mueller That's two of the Big Piets, and gotta be Gardiner on the bottom...you can spot that cowl a mile away....damn it.... On Thu, Mar 31, 2011 at 3:38 PM, wrote: > > Looks like three, two of the reg numbers end with BP > Frank Metcalfs is NX 971BP > > All seem Corvair powered. > > Steel tube "Big Piets" from Georgia? > Hans > > NX15KV > > > -----Original Message----- > From: jack > To: pietenpol-list > Sent: Thu, Mar 31, 2011 3:15 pm > Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Damage at Sun n' Fun > > Oh Lord, I beleive three Piets in pics, hope everyone is ok. > So sorry, > Jack > DSM > > > -------- Original Message -------- > Subject: Pietenpol-List: Damage at Sun n' Fun > From: Ryan M > Date: Thu, March 31, 2011 1:53 pm > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > > Were praying for all our friends out at Sun n' Fun. We're seeing a lot of > bad weather down here, reports of a tornado, damaged buildings and > aircraft. > > > http://www.theledger.com/apps/pbcs.dll/gallery?Dato 110331&Kategori=PHOTOS51&Lopenr=331009999&Ref=PH&pl=1 > > Pictures; > > http://www.theledger.com/apps/pbcs.dll/gallery?Dato 110331&Kategori=PHOTOS51&Lopenr=331009999&Ref=PH&pl=1 > > * > > " target=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List > p://forums.matronics.com > blank>http://www.matronics.com/contribution > * > > > * > > * > > ________________________________ Message 41 ____________________________________ Time: 01:57:30 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Damage at Sun n' Fun From: "DOMIT" Wow, what a mess! :( Not to make TOO light of the situation, but would that be a Pietenpile? I hope they are all repairable. -------- Brad "DOMIT" Smith First rule of ground school: This is the ground... don't hit it going fast. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=335667#335667 ________________________________ Message 42 ____________________________________ Time: 02:14:25 PM PST US From: airlion Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Damage at Sun n' Fun I've talked to Gardiner, and he and the other Piet builders are fine. Amazingly, and thankfully, no one was injured. As I understand it, several of the folks from Carrolton who had not gone to Sun-N-Fun are on the road now, driving to Lakeland to help out. Many thanks to all of you for your concern and prayers. Best regards, Susan Mason ________________________________ From: Ryan M Sent: Thu, March 31, 2011 2:53:51 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Damage at Sun n' Fun Were praying for all our friends out at Sun n' Fun. We're seeing a lot of bad weather down here, reports of a tornado, damaged buildings and aircraft. http://www.theledger.com/apps/pbcs.dll/gallery?Dato 110331&Kategori=PHOTOS51&Lopenr=331009999&Ref=PH&pl=1 Pictures; http://www.theledger.com/apps/pbcs.dll/gallery?Dato 110331&Kategori=PHOTOS51&Lopenr=331009999&Ref=PH&pl=1 ________________________________ Message 43 ____________________________________ Time: 02:37:56 PM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Damage at Sun n' Fun From: Ryan Mueller Thank you Susan! On Thu, Mar 31, 2011 at 4:10 PM, airlion wrote: > I've talked to Gardiner, and he and the other Piet builders are fine. > Amazingly, and thankfully, no one was injured. > > As I understand it, several of the folks from Carrolton who had not gone to > Sun-N-Fun are on the road now, driving to Lakeland to help out. > > Many thanks to all of you for your concern and prayers. > > Best regards, > Susan Mason > > ------------------------------ > *From:* Ryan M > *To:* pietenpol-list@matronics.com > *Sent:* Thu, March 31, 2011 2:53:51 PM > > *Subject:* Pietenpol-List: Damage at Sun n' Fun > > Were praying for all our friends out at Sun n' Fun. We're seeing a lot of > bad weather down here, reports of a tornado, damaged buildings and > aircraft. > > > http://www.theledger.com/apps/pbcs.dll/gallery?Dato 110331&Kategori=PHOTOS51&Lopenr=331009999&Ref=PH&pl=1 > > Pictures; > > http://www.theledger.com/apps/pbcs.dll/gallery?Dato 110331&Kategori=PHOTOS51&Lopenr=331009999&Ref=PH&pl=1 > > * > > * > > * > > > * > > ________________________________ Message 44 ____________________________________ Time: 02:44:38 PM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: ugly messes at SNF From: Matt Wash Verified :( ~Matt On Thu, Mar 31, 2011 at 3:32 PM, Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC AEROSPACE CORP] wrote: > Just heard and UN-verified word that some Piets might have suffered > damage down there. Stay tuned. > Scroll down for more insurance claims. > > Mike C. > > ________________________________ Message 45 ____________________________________ Time: 03:02:44 PM PST US From: "Dick N" Subject: Pietenpol-List: SNF Hey all I hate to be the bearer of bad news from SnF, but I didnt see it posted by anyone else so here it is. There was a severe thundersorm that came thru SNF this morning. The campgrounds here are a mess. There were 3 Piets on the flight line that all were tossed into a pile. Photos later. Gardiner Masons piet and 2 big piets are all pretty much totaled out. All of us in the wood shop are fine. Dick N. ________________________________ Message 46 ____________________________________ Time: 03:08:42 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Damage at Sun n' Fun From: "kevinpurtee" Thanks, Susan. Give our best to Gardiner. We're thinking of him and all the rest of the group. Kevin -------- Kevin "Axel" Purtee NX899KP Austin/Georgetown, TX Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=335680#335680 ________________________________ Message 47 ____________________________________ Time: 03:43:51 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: S2S, S4S, or what? From: "Bill Church" Chuck, Typically, the featherboard is wedged into the miter slot of the table saw top, and prevented from sliding, but they can also be secured with clamps or very strong magnets. Bill C. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=335689#335689 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/featherloc_tablesaw_793.jpg ________________________________ Message 48 ____________________________________ Time: 03:47:07 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Storms damage Piets From: "Bill Church" That's horrible. Looks like Gardiner's Piet really got hit hard. What a shame. All that hard work. Bill C. do not archive Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=335690#335690 ________________________________ Message 49 ____________________________________ Time: 04:12:56 PM PST US From: Jim Markle Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: S2S, S4S, or what? Some clamp, some have huge magnets. I made mine really long so all I have to do is clamp it to the table. Once you use one you'll love it. -----Original Message----- >From: Charles Campbell >Sent: Mar 31, 2011 3:29 PM >To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com >Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: S2S, S4S, or what? > > >Jim, what do you do -- clamp the featherboard to the saw table? > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Jim Markle" >To: >Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2011 2:57 PM >Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: S2S, S4S, or what? > > >> >> >> Something you'll not want to EVER use a table saw without..... >> >> Here's an example of one: >> >> http://images.meredith.com/wood/images/2008/02/m_easylock1.jpg >> >> Holds stock nice and snug.... >> >> JM >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >>>From: Charles Campbell >>>Sent: Mar 31, 2011 1:25 PM >>>To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com >>>Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: S2S, S4S, or what? >>> >>> >>> >>>I'm going to show my lack of education (the high school I attended didn't >>>have a wood working class). What is a featherboard? >>> >>>----- Original Message ----- >>>From: "Scott Knowlton " >>>To: "jarheadpilot82 " ; >>> >>>Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2011 10:08 AM >>>Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: S2S, S4S, or what? >>> >>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Terry, >>>> My two cents... I attended Charlie Rubick's rib forum at Brodhead in >>>> 2004 >>>> or so and followed his method with good success using two rough sawn 2x8 >>>> by 12 Sitka boards. Cut all ribstock 1/4 by 1/2 on a tablesaw with a >>>> fine >>>> cutting blade and a true fence and featherboard. Lightly sand the >>>> capstrip with a block sander before dimensioning the pieces. Each rib >>>> you >>>> build will likely have small imperfections in height where the >>>> intercoastals meet. Prior to gluing gussetts just remove the height >>>> difference with a bastard file. Charlie built his ribs with red cedar >>>> floor boards. Pleanty strong he said because the ribs are overbuilt. >>>> Have fun! >>>> >>>> Scott Knowlton >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: jarheadpilot82 >>>> Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2011 13:20:33 >>>> To: >>>> Subject: Pietenpol-List: S2S, S4S, or what? >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Well, my plans are on order, I am pricing wood (a painful endeavor), and >>>> I >>>> have come up with a question. I live in the South, so it is not very >>>> easy >>>> to purchase wood here locally (unless you want to build your airplane >>>> with >>>> pine. Not happenin'). So, trying to be the scrounger and cost conscious >>>> builder, I am wondering the following- >>>> >>>> 1. I am going to do the wing ribs first. A common place to start. Is it >>>> necessary to use S4S, can you get by with S2S, or can I purchase lumber >>>> and cut it to size myself? I am guessing the answer is that I need (at a >>>> minimum) S2S, otherwise I need to take rougher lumber and either plane >>>> it >>>> myself, or have someone do it for me so that the strips are all the same >>>> thickness. >>>> >>>> 2. Is there a reason for the capstrips to be finished on all four sides, >>>> or can I cut them on my table saw the correct width, then lightly sand >>>> them prior to varnishing them? >>>> >>>> My preference would be to ship larger pieces of spruce or fir, and then >>>> plane and cut them myself. If you are telling me I absolutely need S4S >>>> or >>>> S2S then that is what I will do. >>>> >>>> Thanks in advance for the advice. Probably it is a silly question, but I >>>> want to do things right. We used to say in the Marine Corps, "There is >>>> no >>>> such thing as a dumb question, although, there are some that come >>>> extremely close." This may be on of those close questions. >>>> >>>> -------- >>>> Semper Fi, >>>> >>>> Terry >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Read this topic online here: >>>> >>>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=335566#335566 >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > ________________________________ Message 50 ____________________________________ Time: 04:40:23 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: 3 Piets wrecked in S&F tornado From: Matt Naiva Hope the owners are well... Matt http://dl.dropbox.com/u/2314248/200870_10150192390888623_192081688622_8484257_4744496_o.jpg ________________________________ Message 51 ____________________________________ Time: 04:40:39 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Video of Pietenpols at S&F From: Matt Naiva Piets are at 5:14 seconds. Can anyone ID the owners? http://www.trikepilot.com/videos/view/_12091 ________________________________ Message 52 ____________________________________ Time: 04:46:35 PM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Storms damage Piets From: helspersew@aol.com I am just sick about those Piets (and all others) at SNF, especially Gardiner's because I have met him at Brodhead. I can only imagine how they must feel right now. But I guess if they are physically OK that is something to praise God for.... Dan Helsper Puryear, TN ________________________________ Message 53 ____________________________________ Time: 04:54:21 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Corvair Head Work From: "kevinpurtee" Someone asked off list what was wrong with my heads. Here's a quick update: I posted here a few months ago that I noticed a power drop last time I flew the plane. Brought her home successfully. Went through the troubleshooting steps William Wynne helped me develop. Bottom line - no compression in #3 cylinder. Pulled the heads and found the exhaust valve missing a chunk. Pulled the other head, too, based on differential compression numbers. I'm no expert, but I think I was about to trash a valve on that side as well - another exhaust valve was looking rough. I sent the heads to get reworked at Roy's, one of William's recommended shops. They're back and they look great. Roy said that the exhaust guides were shot and that the valve spring pressures were out of tolerance. He believes that the incorrect pressures (too low) prevented the valves from closing tightly and dissipating heat the way they should, likely leading to the burned valves. I had the heads done at a car shop many years ago, before the state of the art in head work had advanced to its current state. If all the recommended vendors do head work like Roy, we should be in pretty good shape. Next steps: install 5th bearing, reassemble motor, fly. -------- Kevin "Axel" Purtee NX899KP Austin/Georgetown, TX Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=335703#335703 ________________________________ Message 54 ____________________________________ Time: 05:05:53 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Corvair Head Work From: "Bill Church" Kevin wrote: > Someone asked off list what was wrong with my heads. Are you sure you heard the question correctly, Kevin? Are you positive there was an "s" on the end? :) BC (don't mind me - I think there might be something wrong with MY head) do not archive Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=335705#335705 ________________________________ Message 55 ____________________________________ Time: 05:28:10 PM PST US From: "Charles Campbell" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Corvair Head Work I'm having my heads done by Falcon. WW also recommends them. Let you know how they turned out when I get them. Chuck Do not archive ----- Original Message ----- From: "kevinpurtee" Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2011 7:50 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Corvair Head Work > > > Someone asked off list what was wrong with my heads. Here's a quick > update: I posted here a few months ago that I noticed a power drop last > time I flew the plane. Brought her home successfully. Went through the > troubleshooting steps William Wynne helped me develop. Bottom line - no > compression in #3 cylinder. Pulled the heads and found the exhaust valve > missing a chunk. Pulled the other head, too, based on differential > compression numbers. I'm no expert, but I think I was about to trash a > valve on that side as well - another exhaust valve was looking rough. I > sent the heads to get reworked at Roy's, one of William's recommended > shops. They're back and they look great. Roy said that the exhaust > guides were shot and that the valve spring pressures were out of > tolerance. He believes that the incorrect pressures (too low) prevented > the valves from closing tightly and dissipating heat the way they should, > likely leading to the burned valves. > > I had the heads done at a car shop many years ago, before the state of the > art in head work had advanced to its current state. If all the > recommended vendors do head work like Roy, we should be in pretty good > shape. > > Next steps: install 5th bearing, reassemble motor, fly. > > -------- > Kevin "Axel" Purtee > NX899KP > Austin/Georgetown, TX > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=335703#335703 > > > ________________________________ Message 56 ____________________________________ Time: 05:34:15 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Storms damage Piets From: "gtche98" That picture made me physically ill. Words can't express my sympathy. While outsiders may see 3 damaged planes, I can only see the thousands of hours of blood, sweat and tears that were poured into those beautiful machines. The report I saw from EAA was that there were no significant injuries at the site itself. I thank God for that and pray for the health and safety for everyone in the area. -------- Gary Wilson Greenville Wisconsin gtche98 (at) gmail ((dot)) com Planning Phase Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=335711#335711 ________________________________ Message 57 ____________________________________ Time: 06:20:36 PM PST US From: Stu Brown Subject: Pietenpol-List: Wrecked Piet?? Is there a wrecked piet in the mess at Sun n Fun? Check out the attachment. Stu Brown http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DNt1BKqF3a0 ________________________________ Message 58 ____________________________________ Time: 07:59:20 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Storms damage Piets From: "K5YAC" A real bummer. :( -------- Mark Chouinard Wings, Center Section and Empannage framed up - Working on Fuselage Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=335720#335720 ________________________________ Message 59 ____________________________________ Time: 08:01:41 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Corvair Head Work From: "K5YAC" Have no doubt... they will turn out superb. Chuck Campbell wrote: > I'm having my heads done by Falcon. WW also recommends them. Let you know > how they turned out when I get them. Chuck > Do not archive > --- -------- Mark Chouinard Wings, Center Section and Empannage framed up - Working on Fuselage Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=335721#335721 ________________________________ Message 60 ____________________________________ Time: 08:23:37 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: S2S, S4S, or what? From: "coxwelljon" [quote="TOMS(at)mcpcity.com"]Keep in mind that if you cut your own the kerf width of the saw blade will eat up some of your expensive wood. For this reason a band saw may be a better option than a table saw, particularly if you are cutting lots of small slices such as cap strip. Many of the cap strip examples I have seen leave the wood in a fairly rough condition. I chose to sand mine smooth to help avoid snagging of the cloth when covering. Since I have not covered anything yet I can not tell you that this was the way to go. > [b] I agree with Tom, if you have access to a band saw and a good resaw blade from Highland Woodworking you can cut your cap strips with a lot less waste and much safer than a table saw, The resaw blade will leave them smooth enough that you should barely need sanding. -------- Jon Coxwell GN-1 Builder Recycle and preserve the planet Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=335722#335722 ________________________________ Message 61 ____________________________________ Time: 08:35:41 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Corvair Head Work From: "kevinpurtee" Ya know, Bill, I read that just now and went, "uh oh." I rely on you to keep it real:). do not archive -------- Kevin "Axel" Purtee NX899KP Austin/Georgetown, TX Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=335723#335723 ________________________________ Message 62 ____________________________________ Time: 08:45:27 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: S2S, S4S, or what? From: "jarheadpilot82" Wow! Lots of great ideas and advice. Thanks to everyone. I will keep you posted and put up some pictures soon. -------- Semper Fi, Terry Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=335724#335724 ________________________________ Message 63 ____________________________________ Time: 09:02:21 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: S2S, S4S, or what? From: "Billy McCaskill" I will second Jon Coxwell's thoughts on the use of the bandsaw. Buy a quality resawing blade and you'll barely need to sand the sawn edges at all. I've got a decent blade on mine, and many times I don't even need to sand. Depends on the type and quality of the wood, and the feed rate you use. Trial and error will let you know when you have a good feed rate into the blade. And spruce is definitely much nicer to work with than fir. Fir tends to splinter a lot, and I'm not fond of picking splinters out of my fingers and hands. -------- Billy McCaskill Urbana, IL tail section almost done, starting on ribs soon Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=335728#335728 ________________________________ Message 64 ____________________________________ Time: 09:17:57 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: SNF From: "Billy McCaskill" Glad to hear that you are all fine after the storm, Dick. Very sad about the damage to the Piets. Hope that they can be rebuilt eventually. do not archive -------- Billy McCaskill Urbana, IL tail section almost done, starting on ribs soon Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=335732#335732 ________________________________ Message 65 ____________________________________ Time: 09:43:40 PM PST US From: TOM MICHELLE BRANT Subject: Pietenpol-List: Charles Campell Piet Well - Charles is about to get even busier with Piet building. I've sold m y Corvair stuff to him and tomorrow the boxes start their journey to his pl ace as the heads depart to Falcon. This guy is on the fast track - that sa id=2C he's listening to people as seen by his recent spar rebuild decision. A very good call indeed. At first selling my Corvair stuff gave me some heartburn but I'm so happy t o see that it's going to a guy who's serious about getting the project goin g. I however am on the slow track=2C and have traded my Corvair stuff in f avor of completion of the airframe. You might say I've robbed Peter to pay Paul - in this case you'd be right. But I'm ok with it. It seems that in the course of this project I've either had time or money=2C but not both. Currently=2C with the recent sale of the Corvair=2C I have money - enough to complete the airframe. With (2) small children at home=2C time is still something that is hard to come by. But I will meet my highly ambitious go al of completing my airplane before the 100th anniversary of the design in 2029. On the way I may even break a record for total length of a project f rom start to finish. Started in 2001 and much like the Energizer bunny (ex cept with much less energy) I'm still going=2C and going.... Charles=2C we all can't wait to see you on the flight line at Brodhead some day - perhaps in 2012?? Keep on keepin on and enjoy the engine build as mu ch as you've enjoyed the rest. It'll be on its way tomorrow morning. Tom B. ________________________________ Message 66 ____________________________________ Time: 10:19:59 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Charles Campell Piet From: "Billy McCaskill" Tom, I'd say it was more like you sold out Paul to pay for the Piet-er. [Wink] definitely do not archive -------- Billy McCaskill Urbana, IL tail section almost done, starting on ribs soon Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=335734#335734 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message pietenpol-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Pietenpol-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/pietenpol-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/pietenpol-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.