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1. 03:11 AM - A momentous day (Bill Church)
2. 03:17 AM - Re: A momentous day (Bill Church)
3. 04:14 AM - Re: Re: A momentous day (Gboothe5)
4. 05:26 AM - Re: S2S, S4S, or what? (womenfly2)
5. 05:35 AM - Re: Damage at Sun n' Fun (Jack Phillips)
6. 05:55 AM - Re: Re: A momentous day (Kip and Beth Gardner)
7. 06:52 AM - Re: Re: Charles Campell Piet (TOM MICHELLE BRANT)
8. 09:05 AM - Re: S2S, S4S, or what? (Billy McCaskill)
9. 09:36 AM - Re: Re: S2S, S4S, or what? (gboothe5@comcast.net)
10. 10:14 AM - Need some engine advice (Dortch, Steven D MAJ NG NG FORSCOM)
11. 10:24 AM - Re: Need some engine advice (hvandervoo@aol.com)
12. 10:32 AM - Re: Need some engine advice (John Hofmann)
13. 10:32 AM - Re: Need some engine advice (Jack)
14. 10:33 AM - Re: Need some engine advice (RAMPEYBOY@aol.com)
15. 11:05 AM - Re: Need some engine advice (Bill Church)
16. 11:06 AM - Re: Need some engine advice (TOM STINEMETZE)
17. 11:06 AM - Re: Need some engine advice (Gboothe5)
18. 11:15 AM - Re: Need some engine advice (Billy McCaskill)
19. 12:36 PM - Re: A momentous day (jarheadpilot82)
20. 12:53 PM - Re: Re: Need some engine advice (Gene Rambo)
21. 01:14 PM - Re: Re: Need some engine advice (Charles Campbell)
22. 03:09 PM - Re: Need some engine advice (bubbleboy)
23. 04:47 PM - Re: Re: Storms damage Piets (Ryan M)
24. 05:12 PM - Re: Need some engine advice (dwilson)
25. 08:03 PM - Re: Re: Need some engine advice (Clif Dawson)
26. 08:53 PM - Re: Storms damage Piets (kevinpurtee)
27. 09:10 PM - Re: Re: Storms damage Piets (Chris)
28. 11:03 PM - Official Pietenpol-List FAQ (Frequently Asked Questions) (Matt Dralle)
29. 11:06 PM - Official Pietenpol-List Usage Guidelines (Matt Dralle)
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Hey Jack,
It was good talking to you last night. Hope that none of that horrible weather
in Florida moves up to NC. Still having a hard time believing you're actually
considering moving over to "the dark side". Randy's machine must have been pretty
impressive to result in such an about face from you. That 5th bearing seems
to be a real game changer. I suppose you'll build up your Corvair and get it
running before pulling the A65 out of the Piet for the switchover. I guess I'll
believe it all when I see it. Anyway, take care. Will talk again soon.
Bill
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| Subject: | Re: A momentous day |
OOOOPS!
That was a personal message, and wasn't intended to go to the List. Please disregard.
How did I manage to do that?
BC
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| Subject: | Re: A momentous day |
Didn't even notice...
Gary Boothe
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill Church
Sent: Friday, April 01, 2011 3:14 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: A momentous day
OOOOPS!
That was a personal message, and wasn't intended to go to the List. Please
disregard.
How did I manage to do that?
BC
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| Subject: | Re: S2S, S4S, or what? |
No piece of wood on the plane needs to be planed smooth, a saw blade finish is
fine. I would do an exception to this and have the wing spar planed smooth, if
not for just inspection.
S2S= one face and one side planed smooth other 2 rough cut, made not be sized.
S4S= all four surfaces planed smooth and planed.
Cutting thin strips of wood on a Table saw is inherently dangerous and all safety
precautions should be observed.
I think you will fined you will waste more wood, due to blade cut width, then purchasing
S4S cap strips. Not to mention the time.
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| Subject: | Damage at Sun n' Fun |
After a day travelling in the mountains in Virginia with no internet, this
was a horrible thing to wake up to. My heart goes out to all the pilots,
especially our Pietenpol bunch. I'm just so glad no one was seriously hurt.
_____
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of airlion
Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2011 5:11 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Damage at Sun n' Fun
I've talked to Gardiner, and he and the other Piet builders are fine.
Amazingly, and thankfully, no one was injured.
As I understand it, several of the folks from Carrolton who had not gone to
Sun-N-Fun are on the road now, driving to Lakeland to help out.
Many thanks to all of you for your concern and prayers.
Best regards,
Susan Mason
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From: Ryan M <aircamperace@yahoo.com>
Sent: Thu, March 31, 2011 2:53:51 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Damage at Sun n' Fun
Were praying for all our friends out at Sun n' Fun. We're seeing a lot of
bad weather down here, reports of a tornado, damaged buildings and aircraft.
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Pictures;
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| Subject: | Re: A momentous day |
Yeah, but now the cat's out of the bag....
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Kip Gardner
On Apr 1, 2011, at 6:14 AM, Bill Church wrote:
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> OOOOPS!
> That was a personal message, and wasn't intended to go to the List.
> Please disregard.
> How did I manage to do that?
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> BC
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| Subject: | Re: Charles Campell Piet |
I like that :)
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Charles Campell Piet
> From: billmz@cox.net
> Date: Thu=2C 31 Mar 2011 22:15:49 -0700
> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
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> Tom=2C
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> I'd say it was more like you sold out Paul to pay for the Piet-er.
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> [Wink]
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> Billy McCaskill
> Urbana=2C IL
> tail section almost done=2C starting on ribs soon
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| Subject: | Re: S2S, S4S, or what? |
Building the Piet has a side benefit for me- it's a reason to acquire more tools
that I wanted to have in my shop anyway. But if saving a few hours of time
in ripping some capstrip on a bandsaw (if you own one) is an issue, then building
a Piet probably isn't for you. I personally don't mind spending time ripping
capstrip on my bandsaw, or cutting spar stock on my table saw, or any of the
other time consuming tasks involved in building an airplane. I even shaped
the leading and trailing edges of my stab, rudder and fin with a HAND PLANE.
Most of us build because we enjoy the process of building and creating something
with our own hands. If flying a lot sooner is a priority, then consider buying
something to fly that somebody else built. Build for the sake of enjoying
the build, and then be rewarded at the end with something that you can take
out flying!
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Billy McCaskill
Urbana, IL
tail section almost done, starting on ribs soon
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| Subject: | Re: S2S, S4S, or what? |
I'm with you, Billy! And by buying local Poplar, material cost is an absolute non-issue!
I just picked up my last requirement, enough for the trailing edges...
Gary
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------Original Message------
From: Billy McCaskill
Sender: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
ReplyTo: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: S2S, S4S, or what?
Sent: Apr 1, 2011 9:00 AM
Building the Piet has a side benefit for me- it's a reason to acquire more tools
that I wanted to have in my shop anyway. But if saving a few hours of time
in ripping some capstrip on a bandsaw (if you own one) is an issue, then building
a Piet probably isn't for you. I personally don't mind spending time ripping
capstrip on my bandsaw, or cutting spar stock on my table saw, or any of the
other time consuming tasks involved in building an airplane. I even shaped
the leading and trailing edges of my stab, rudder and fin with a HAND PLANE.
Most of us build because we enjoy the process of building and creating something
with our own hands. If flying a lot sooner is a priority, then consider buying
something to fly that somebody else built. Build for the sake of enjoying
the build, and then be rewarded at the end with something that you can take
out flying!
do not archive
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Billy McCaskill
Urbana, IL
tail section almost done, starting on ribs soon
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| Subject: | Need some engine advice |
Can anyone help me with this? I wanted to do something that would improve performance
but I did not want to spend too much money. It was recommended by a Cessna
A&P to port and polish the intake and exhaust. We found out they used abrasive
material to do it, like gritty sand. So I got with my Cessna A&P and we decided
to try it for ourselves. We got a bag of sandblasting sand and hooked up
into the intake and started the engine. We had to hold the throttle open so
it would run. He wanted to let the engine suck in the sand through the intake
so it would port it out and then push it out the ehxaust so it would port the
exhaust manifold. I was worried that it might cause problems but he figured it'd
be OK as long as we didn't get any in the oil compartment. After running the
engine and letting it suck in sand we got about half way through a 25 lb bag.
However, it made quite a mess out of the hangar and the engine was bucking and
kicking and sounding really weird. We stopped and hooked the intake back up
normal and took off the sand supply. We tried to start it again and it was really
hard. Once started, it couldn't idle and kept making weird noises. Instead
of running better, it was running worse. We took it out and flew it, and it
started to make scraping and knocking noises. Help! Can anyone tell me what to
do!
Steve
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| Subject: | Re: Need some engine advice |
Happy April fools, Steve
-----Original Message-----
From: Dortch, Steven D MAJ NG NG FORSCOM <steven.d.dortch@us.army.mil>
Sent: Fri, Apr 1, 2011 12:15 pm
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Need some engine advice
steven.d.dortch@us.army.mil>
Can anyone help me with this? I wanted to do something that would improve
erformance but I did not want to spend too much money. It was recommended b
y a
essna A&P to port and polish the intake and exhaust. We found out they used
brasive material to do it, like gritty sand. So I got with my Cessna A&P an
d we
ecided to try it for ourselves. We got a bag of sandblasting sand and hooke
d up
nto the intake and started the engine. We had to hold the throttle open so
it
ould run. He wanted to let the engine suck in the sand through the intake s
o it
ould port it out and then push it out the ehxaust so it would port the exha
ust
anifold. I was worried that it might cause problems but he figured it'd be
OK
s long as we didn't get any in the oil compartment. After running the engin
e
nd letting it suck in sand we got about half way through a 25 lb bag. Howev
er,
t made quite a mess out of the hangar and the engine was bucking and kickin
g
nd sounding really weird. We stopped and!
hooked the intake back up normal and took off the sand supply. We tried to
tart it again and it was really hard. Once started, it couldn't idle and ke
pt
aking weird noises. Instead of running better, it was running worse. We too
k it
ut and flew it, and it started to make scraping and knocking noises. Help!
Can
nyone tell me what to do!
teve
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| Subject: | Re: Need some engine advice |
You almost had me on this one...April fool?
-john-
John Hofmann
Vice-President, Information Technology
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On Apr 1, 2011, at 12:10 PM, Dortch, Steven D MAJ NG NG FORSCOM wrote:
FORSCOM" <steven.d.dortch@us.army.mil>
>
> Can anyone help me with this? I wanted to do something that would
improve performance but I did not want to spend too much money. It was
recommended by a Cessna A&P to port and polish the intake and exhaust.
We found out they used abrasive material to do it, like gritty sand. So
I got with my Cessna A&P and we decided to try it for ourselves. We got
a bag of sandblasting sand and hooked up into the intake and started the
engine. We had to hold the throttle open so it would run. He wanted to
let the engine suck in the sand through the intake so it would port it
out and then push it out the ehxaust so it would port the exhaust
manifold. I was worried that it might cause problems but he figured it'd
be OK as long as we didn't get any in the oil compartment. After running
the engine and letting it suck in sand we got about half way through a
25 lb bag. However, it made quite a mess out of the hangar and the
engine was bucking and kicking and sounding really weird. We stopped
and!
> hooked the intake back up normal and took off the sand supply. We
tried to start it again and it was really hard. Once started, it
couldn't idle and kept making weird noises. Instead of running better,
it was running worse. We took it out and flew it, and it started to make
scraping and knocking noises. Help! Can anyone tell me what to do!
>
>
> Steve
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Need some engine advice |
Hope it was a Corvair Steve, April Fools!
Jack
DSM
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dortch,
Steven D MAJ NG NG FORSCOM
Sent: Friday, April 01, 2011 12:10 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Need some engine advice
<steven.d.dortch@us.army.mil>
Can anyone help me with this? I wanted to do something that would improve
performance but I did not want to spend too much money. It was recommended
by a Cessna A&P to port and polish the intake and exhaust. We found out they
used abrasive material to do it, like gritty sand. So I got with my Cessna
A&P and we decided to try it for ourselves. We got a bag of sandblasting
sand and hooked up into the intake and started the engine. We had to hold
the throttle open so it would run. He wanted to let the engine suck in the
sand through the intake so it would port it out and then push it out the
ehxaust so it would port the exhaust manifold. I was worried that it might
cause problems but he figured it'd be OK as long as we didn't get any in the
oil compartment. After running the engine and letting it suck in sand we got
about half way through a 25 lb bag. However, it made quite a mess out of the
hangar and the engine was bucking and kicking and sounding really weird. We
stopped and!
hooked the intake back up normal and took off the sand supply. We tried to
start it again and it was really hard. Once started, it couldn't idle and
kept making weird noises. Instead of running better, it was running worse.
We took it out and flew it, and it started to make scraping and knocking
noises. Help! Can anyone tell me what to do!
Steve
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| Subject: | Re: Need some engine advice |
Uh ok then! haha April fools!
In a message dated 4/1/2011 1:15:01 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
steven.d.dortch@us.army.mil writes:
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Dortch, Steven D MAJ NG NG FORSCOM"
<steven.d.dortch@us.army.mil>
Can anyone help me with this? I wanted to do something that would improve
performance but I did not want to spend too much money. It was recommended
by a Cessna A&P to port and polish the intake and exhaust. We found out
they used abrasive material to do it, like gritty sand. So I got with my
Cessna A&P and we decided to try it for ourselves. We got a bag of sandblasting
sand and hooked up into the intake and started the engine. We had to hold
the throttle open so it would run. He wanted to let the engine suck in the
sand through the intake so it would port it out and then push it out the
ehxaust so it would port the exhaust manifold. I was worried that it might
cause problems but he figured it'd be OK as long as we didn't get any in the
oil compartment. After running the engine and letting it suck in sand we got
about half way through a 25 lb bag. However, it made quite a mess out of
the hangar and the engine was bucking and kicking and sounding really weird.
We stopped and!
hooked the intake back up normal and took off the sand supply. We tried to
start it again and it was really hard. Once started, it couldn't idle and
kept making weird noises. Instead of running better, it was running worse.
We took it out and flew it, and it started to make scraping and knocking
noises. Help! Can anyone tell me what to do!
Steve
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| Subject: | Re: Need some engine advice |
I say as long as it'll still fly, you're good to go. For today, anyway.
BC
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| Subject: | Re: Need some engine advice |
Steve:
Never try to get away with a story like that on April Fools Day. Any
other time we would buy it - hook, line, and sinker.
Stinemetze
>>> "Dortch, Steven D MAJ NG NG FORSCOM" <steven.d.dortch@us.army.mil>
4/1/2011 12:10 PM >>>
We stopped and!
hooked the intake back up normal and took off the sand supply. We tried
to start it again and it was really hard. Once started, it couldn't idle
and kept making weird noises. Instead of running better, it was running
worse. We took it out and flew it, and it started to make scraping and
knocking noises. Help! Can anyone tell me what to do!
Steve
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| Subject: | Need some engine advice |
Whew!! I was just on my over to the neighbor to ask him to hold the bag of
sand..
Gary
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
RAMPEYBOY@aol.com
Sent: Friday, April 01, 2011 10:30 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Need some engine advice
Uh ok then! haha April fools!
In a message dated 4/1/2011 1:15:01 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
steven.d.dortch@us.army.mil writes:
<steven.d.dortch@us.army.mil>
Can anyone help me with this? I wanted to do something that would improve
performance but I did not want to spend too much money. It was recommended
by a Cessna A&P to port and polish the intake and exhaust. We found out they
used abrasive material to do it, like gritty sand. So I got with my Cessna
A&P and we decided to try it for ourselves. We got a bag of sandblasting
sand and hooked up into the intake and started the engine. We had to hold
the throttle open so it would run. He wanted to let the engine suck in the
sand through the intake so it would port it out and then push it out the
ehxaust so it would port the exhaust manifold. I was worried that it might
cause problems but he figured it'd be OK as long as we didn't get any in the
oil compartment. After running the engine and letting it suck in sand we got
about half way through a 25 lb bag. However, it made quite a mess out of the
hangar and the engine was bucking and kicking and sounding really weird. We
stopped and!
hooked the intake back up normal and took off the sand supply. We tried to
start it again and it was really hard. Once started, it couldn't idle and
kept making weird noises. Instead of running better, it was running worse.
We took it out and flew it, and it started to make scraping and knocking
noises. Help! Can anyone tell me what to do!
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| Subject: | Re: Need some engine advice |
Steve,
Next time, I would suggest a finer grade of abrasive. It will help polish out
the scratches left behind from the blasting sand, and should help the engine run
a bit smoother. It will make more of a mess in the hangar, but if you open
a window or the back door while you run the engine most of the sand should blow
right out.
This procedure might work even better if you add a few grains of salt to the sand.
[Laughing]
please do not archive!
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Billy McCaskill
Urbana, IL
tail section almost done, starting on ribs soon
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| Subject: | Re: A momentous day |
Happy April 1st.
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Semper Fi,
Terry
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| Subject: | Re: Need some engine advice |
Not too far fetched . . . . I have had a Continental rep have me throw a ha
ndful of Bon Ami in the intake of a running engine to knock the glaze off o
f cylinder walls in an engine that was pumping oil. No April Fool's . . .
it worked!
Gene
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> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Need some engine advice
> From: billmz@cox.net
> Date: Fri=2C 1 Apr 2011 11:11:44 -0700
> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
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> Steve=2C
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> Next time=2C I would suggest a finer grade of abrasive. It will help poli
sh out the scratches left behind from the blasting sand=2C and should help
the engine run a bit smoother. It will make more of a mess in the hangar=2C
but if you open a window or the back door while you run the engine most of
the sand should blow right out.
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> This procedure might work even better if you add a few grains of salt to
the sand. [Laughing]
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> Billy McCaskill
> Urbana=2C IL
> tail section almost done=2C starting on ribs soon
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| Subject: | Re: Need some engine advice |
I'll have to remember that! Do not archive
----- Original Message -----
From: Gene Rambo
To: pietenpol-list
Sent: Friday, April 01, 2011 3:49 PM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Need some engine advice
Not too far fetched . . . . I have had a Continental rep have me throw
a handful of Bon Ami in the intake of a running engine to knock the
glaze off of cylinder walls in an engine that was pumping oil. No April
Fool's . . . it worked!
Gene
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> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Need some engine advice
> From: billmz@cox.net
> Date: Fri, 1 Apr 2011 11:11:44 -0700
> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
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<billmz@cox.net>
>
> Steve,
>
> Next time, I would suggest a finer grade of abrasive. It will help
polish out the scratches left behind from the blasting sand, and should
help the engine run a bit smoother. It will make more of a mess in the
hangar, but if you open a window or the back door while you run the
engine most of the sand should blow right out.
>
> This procedure might work even better if you add a few grains of
salt to the sand. [Laughing]
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> Urbana, IL
> tail section almost done, starting on ribs soon
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| Subject: | Re: Need some engine advice |
What are you guys saying? It cant be an April fools joke as he posted it on the
2nd April. People never fail to surprise me these days.
Scotty [Laughing]
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Tamworth, Australia
Building a Corvair Powered Pietenpol Air Camper
www.scottyspietenpol.com
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| Subject: | Re: Storms damage Piets |
I really feel bad for everyone that lost a plane out there. Pics of the cleanup
at;
http://www.theledger.com/apps/pbcs.dll/gallery?Dato 110401&Kategori=PHOTOS51&Lopenr=401009997&Ref=PH&pl=1
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From: K5YAC <hangar10@cox.net>
Sent: Thu, March 31, 2011 10:55:45 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Storms damage Piets
A real bummer. :(
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Mark Chouinard
Wings, Center Section and Empannage framed up - Working on Fuselage
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| Subject: | Re: Need some engine advice |
I had this same problem, I discovered it was low blinker fluid. Added synthetic
blinker fluid and that corrected the problem.
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| Subject: | Re: Need some engine advice |
Somewhere hidden away on a Sacramento Skyranch
page and also a Lycoming tech bulletin is the exact
process for this procedure. I had it but it appears to
have disappeared in my last computer implosion.
Here's another though;
http://www.sacskyranch.com/combustionClean.htm
Clif
Not too far fetched . . . . I have had a Continental rep have me throw a
handful of Bon Ami in the intake of a running engine to knock the glaze
off of cylinder walls in an engine that was pumping oil. No April
Fool's . . . it worked!
Gene
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| Subject: | Re: Storms damage Piets |
Shelley and I are sitting here looking at the cleanup pics. Breaks our hearts
to see Gardiner & the plane.
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NX899KP
Austin/Georgetown, TX
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| Subject: | Re: Storms damage Piets |
I totally agree, heart breaking. I hope this doesn't break his spirit.
Chris
Sacramento, Ca
Westcoastpiet.com
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of kevinpurtee
Sent: Friday, April 01, 2011 8:50 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Storms damage Piets
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Shelley and I are sitting here looking at the cleanup pics. Breaks our
hearts to see Gardiner & the plane.
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| Subject: | Official Pietenpol-List FAQ (Frequently Asked Questions) |
Dear Listers,
Please read over the Pietenpol-List Frequently Asked Questions (FAQ) below. The
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Pietenpol-List Usage Guidelines
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The following details the official Usage Guidelines for the Pietenpol-List.
You are encouraged to read it carefully, and to abide by the rules therein.
Failure to use the Pietenpol-List in the manner described below may result
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Pietenpol-List Policy Statement
The purpose of the Pietenpol-List is to provide a forum of discussion for
things related to this particular discussion group. The List's goals
are to serve as an information resource to its members; to deliver
high-quality content; to provide moral support; to foster camaraderie
among its members; and to support safe operation. Reaching these goals
requires the participation and cooperation of each and every member of
the List. To this end, the following guidelines have been established:
- Please keep all posts related to the List at some level. Do not submit
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- THINK carefully before you write. Ask yourself if your post will be
relevant to everyone. If you have to wonder about that, DON'T send it.
- Remember that your post will be included for posterity in an archive
that is growing in size at an extraordinary rate. Try to be concise and
terse in your posts. Avoid overly wordy and lengthy posts and
responses.
- Keep your signature brief. Please include your name, email address,
aircraft type/tail number, and geographic location. A short line
about where you are in the building process is also nice. Avoid
bulky signatures with character graphics; they consume unnecessary
space in the archive.
- DON'T post requests to the List for information when that info is
easily obtainable from other widely available sources. Consult the
web page or FAQ first.
- If you want to respond to a post, DO keep the "Subject:" line of
your response the same as that of the original post. This makes it
easy to find threads in the archive.
- When responding, NEVER quote the *entire* original post in your
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- When the poster asks you to respond to him/her personally, DO NOT
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- When responding to others' posts, avoid the feeling that you need to
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| Subject: | Official Pietenpol-List Usage Guidelines |
Dear Listers,
Please read over the Pietenpol-List Usage Guidelines below. The complete
Pietenpol-List FAQ including these Usage Guidelines can be found at the
following URL:
http://www.matronics.com/FAQs/Pietenpol-List.FAQ.html
Thank you,
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
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Pietenpol-List Usage Guidelines
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The following details the official Usage Guidelines for the Pietenpol-List.
You are encouraged to read it carefully, and to abide by the rules therein.
Failure to use the Pietenpol-List in the manner described below may result
in the removal of the subscribers from the List.
Pietenpol-List Policy Statement
The purpose of the Pietenpol-List is to provide a forum of discussion for
things related to this particular discussion group. The List's goals
are to serve as an information resource to its members; to deliver
high-quality content; to provide moral support; to foster camaraderie
among its members; and to support safe operation. Reaching these goals
requires the participation and cooperation of each and every member of
the List. To this end, the following guidelines have been established:
- Please keep all posts related to the List at some level. Do not submit
posts concerning computer viruses, urban legends, random humor, long
lost buddies' phone numbers, etc. etc.
- THINK carefully before you write. Ask yourself if your post will be
relevant to everyone. If you have to wonder about that, DON'T send it.
- Remember that your post will be included for posterity in an archive
that is growing in size at an extraordinary rate. Try to be concise and
terse in your posts. Avoid overly wordy and lengthy posts and
responses.
- Keep your signature brief. Please include your name, email address,
aircraft type/tail number, and geographic location. A short line
about where you are in the building process is also nice. Avoid
bulky signatures with character graphics; they consume unnecessary
space in the archive.
- DON'T post requests to the List for information when that info is
easily obtainable from other widely available sources. Consult the
web page or FAQ first.
- If you want to respond to a post, DO keep the "Subject:" line of
your response the same as that of the original post. This makes it
easy to find threads in the archive.
- When responding, NEVER quote the *entire* original post in your
response. DO use lines from the original post to help "tune in" the
reader to the topic at hand, but be selective. The impact that
quoting the entire original post has on the size of the archive
can not be overstated!
- When the poster asks you to respond to him/her personally, DO NOT
then go ahead and reply to the List. Be aware that clicking the
"reply" button on your mail package does not necessarily send your
response to the original poster. You might have to actively address
your response with the original poster's email address.
- DO NOT use the List to respond to a post unless you have something
to add that is relevant and has a broad appeal. "Way to go!", "I
agree", and "Congratulations" are all responses that are better sent
to the original poster directly, rather than to the List at large.
- When responding to others' posts, avoid the feeling that you need to
comment on every last point in their posts, unless you can truly
contribute something valuable.
- Feel free to disagree with other viewpoints, BUT keep your tone
polite and respectful. Don't make snide comments, personally attack
other listers, or take the moral high ground on an obviously
controversial issue. This will only cause a pointless debate that
will hurt feelings, waste bandwidth and resolve nothing.
- Occasional posts by vendors or individuals who are regularly
subscribed to a given List are considered acceptable. Posts by
List members promoting their respective products or items for sale
should be of a friendly, informal nature, and should not resemble
a typical SPAM message. The List isn't about commercialism, but
is about sharing information and knowledge. This applies to
everyone, including those who provide products to the entire
community. Informal presentation and moderation should be the
operatives with respect to advertising on the Lists.
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