---------------------------------------------------------- Pietenpol-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Sun 04/03/11: 42 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 03:31 AM - Re: Fuselage Wedge Fillers (Jack) 2. 03:44 AM - Re: Fuselage Wedge Fillers (Jack) 3. 05:03 AM - Re: Corvair Powered Piets (Jack Phillips) 4. 05:14 AM - Re: [raa_national] RAA news and events, SnF storm (Piet2112) 5. 05:19 AM - Re: Fw: [raa_national] RAA news and events, SnF storm (Jack Phillips) 6. 05:32 AM - Re: Storms damage Piets (Jerry Dotson) 7. 06:40 AM - Re: Corvair Powered Piets (Kip and Beth Gardner) 8. 07:34 AM - Piet as Art (cjborsuk) 9. 07:53 AM - Re: Corvair Powered Piets (Gboothe5) 10. 08:01 AM - Re: Piet as Art (Gboothe5) 11. 08:14 AM - Re: Piet as Art (Jack Phillips) 12. 08:16 AM - Re: Corvair Powered Piets (Jack Phillips) 13. 08:26 AM - Re: Corvair Powered Piets (Kip and Beth Gardner) 14. 08:33 AM - Re: Corvair Powered Piets (Jack Phillips) 15. 09:49 AM - Re: Fuselage Wedge Fillers (Chris) 16. 10:40 AM - Looking for a wood supplier in Minneapolis (jarheadpilot82) 17. 11:15 AM - Re: Piet as Art (Matt Wash) 18. 11:37 AM - Re: Corvair Powered Piets (Ben Charvet) 19. 12:04 PM - Re: Re: Corvair Powered Piets (Jack) 20. 12:09 PM - Re: Corvair Powered Piets (jarheadpilot82) 21. 12:51 PM - Rudder Bar and Post (Jack) 22. 01:09 PM - Re: Corvair Powered Piets (Jack Phillips) 23. 01:31 PM - Seat frame heights for long fuselage Piet (flash308) 24. 01:38 PM - Re: Seat frame heights for long fuselage Piet (Chris) 25. 02:12 PM - Re: Looking for a wood supplier in Minneapolis (tdudley@umn.edu) 26. 02:17 PM - Re: Fuselage Wedge Fillers (tdudley@umn.edu) 27. 02:23 PM - Re: Looking for a wood supplier in Minneapolis (jarheadpilot82) 28. 02:34 PM - Re: Seat frame heights for long fuselage Piet (flash308) 29. 02:49 PM - Re: Corvair Powered Piets (Gboothe5) 30. 03:30 PM - Re: Looking for a wood supplier in Minneapolis (tdudley@umn.edu) 31. 03:30 PM - Re: Piet as Art (kevinpurtee) 32. 03:43 PM - Re: Re: Looking for a wood supplier in Minneapolis (Gene Rambo) 33. 04:23 PM - Re: Re: Looking for a wood supplier in Minneapolis (Ryan Mueller) 34. 04:32 PM - Re: Looking for a wood supplier in Minneapolis (jarheadpilot82) 35. 05:48 PM - Re: Re: Looking for a wood supplier in Minneapolis (KM Heide CPO/FAAOP) 36. 06:00 PM - Re: Piet as Art (Frank Metcalfe) 37. 06:07 PM - Re: Looking for a wood supplier in Minneapolis (Jerry Dotson) 38. 06:13 PM - Re: Re: Looking for a wood supplier in Minneapolis (KM Heide CPO/FAAOP) 39. 06:19 PM - Re: Looking for a wood supplier in Minneapolis (jarheadpilot82) 40. 06:21 PM - Re: Piet as Art (aerocarjake) 41. 06:24 PM - Re: Corvair Powered Piets (Larry Vetter) 42. 06:25 PM - Re: Seat frame heights for long fuselage Piet (echobravo4) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 03:31:53 AM PST US From: "Jack" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Fuselage Wedge Fillers Tom, not sure exactly which ones you are referring to. If you follow the plans you will not have to remove the wedges as I did here http://www.textors.com/IMG_7497_1600x1067.jpg I re-designed the engine mount so I did not have the cut into the cross piece as the plans called for and others have done. Jack DSM -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of tdudley@umn.edu Sent: Saturday, April 02, 2011 7:31 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Fuselage Wedge Fillers For the fuselage, plans show a total of 3 wedge fillers glued between the fore-end spruce verticals. I am not trying to overthink, but is that it? Built per plans, only 3 wedge fillers. All other joints are similarly double gusseted with 1/8" plyboard. Is there a need for wedge fillers for the other fuselage verticals? Thanks, Tom Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=335887#335887 ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 03:44:24 AM PST US From: "Jack" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Fuselage Wedge Fillers Attached is a picture from Jack Phillips as per plans for the lower engine mounts. Jack DSM -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jack Sent: Sunday, April 03, 2011 5:26 AM Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Fuselage Wedge Fillers Tom, not sure exactly which ones you are referring to. If you follow the plans you will not have to remove the wedges as I did here http://www.textors.com/IMG_7497_1600x1067.jpg I re-designed the engine mount so I did not have the cut into the cross piece as the plans called for and others have done. Jack DSM -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of tdudley@umn.edu Sent: Saturday, April 02, 2011 7:31 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Fuselage Wedge Fillers For the fuselage, plans show a total of 3 wedge fillers glued between the fore-end spruce verticals. I am not trying to overthink, but is that it? Built per plans, only 3 wedge fillers. All other joints are similarly double gusseted with 1/8" plyboard. Is there a need for wedge fillers for the other fuselage verticals? Thanks, Tom Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=335887#335887 ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 05:03:38 AM PST US From: "Jack Phillips" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Corvair Powered Piets And I couldn't afford to fly mine there this year (had it there last year) what with gas prices being what they are. I hope to fly it to Brodhead and Oshkosh this summer, but might bring the RV-4 since it costs about half as much to fly as the Pietenpol. So with one fell swoop, about a third of the flying Corvair powered Pietenpols were knocked out of the sky. Jack Phillips NX899JP "Icarus Plummet" Raleigh, NC _____ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ben Charvet Sent: Saturday, April 02, 2011 9:28 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Corvair Powered Piets I was half way there when I hit a solid cloud layer (Cont A-65) and turned around for home. I proceeded on to SNF by car, and with the forecast decided not to try again. The 3 Piets that made it there came in over the weekend before the weather turned to crap. I stopped by to see them Thurs night after the storm and they were all in pretty good spirits all things considered. Meanwhile I consider myself to be one of the luckiest Piet owner/builders alive. Hopefully there will be at least one Continental Piet there next year (mine) Ben Charvet Titusville, Fl On 4/2/2011 8:34 PM, Gary Boothe wrote: OK...I'll ask the obvious question: Were Corvair powered Piets the only Piets to make it to Sun 'n Fun? Hmmmm.................. Gary Do not archive -- Ben Charvet, PharmD Staff Pharmacist Parrish Medical center ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 05:14:43 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: [raa_national] RAA news and events, SnF storm From: "Piet2112" I believe the screw in tie downs were banned at Oshkosh years ago after a similar storm rolled through. Also a friend had three Cub Crafter Carbon Cubs tied down using the claw at SNF that didn't pull out. They said all that did were the corkscrew style. The cubs were surrounded on all sides by a/c carnage. Curt Merdan Flower Mound Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=335917#335917 ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 05:19:31 AM PST US From: "Jack Phillips" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Fw: [raa_national] RAA news and events, SnF storm Of course, the obvious flaw in this testing is pulling straight up on the tie-down. When tying your plane down, you should never put the anchor directly under the tie-down point on the airplane. Put it out at a 45=B0 angle ahead and to the side for the wing tie-downs, and a few feet aft for the tail. This puts the load on the anchor as more of a side load where any of the anchors are better. I used a screw type auger when I lived in south Texas and had to anchor in sandy soil. For the clay we have in this part of the world, I find the Claw works better. Looking at the photos from SNF, I see both types dangling from broken airplanes. That Husky on amphib floats has a nice picture of a claw tie-dwon still attached to its rope. I think the point here is that if your plane is tied down with anything other than a concrete anchor in the ramp, if a tornado hits it, the result will not be pretty. Jack Phillips NX899JP =93Icarus Plummet=94 Raleigh, NC -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Clif Dawson Sent: Sunday, April 03, 2011 2:05 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Fw: [raa_national] RAA news and events, SnF storm Subject: Re: [raa_national] RAA news and events, SnF storm > This video is also interesting.. it puts the simple cheap pet store doggie > screw tie downs @ about twice as good as the claw in Florida soil ! > Provided you get it in without snapping the head off.. > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Loq1olceSIE > ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 05:32:58 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Storms damage Piets From: "Jerry Dotson" Gardiner, Bruce and Frank, My heart goes out to each of you. Gardiner's Piet is the only one I have seen in person. I drooled all over it in late 2009 before it was flown. You guys don't think for a minute you have not been in my prayers. I have just been so distraught over your loss I just couldn't post anything until now. Hang in there guys. Time is the only thing that can heal your wounds. I lost an airplane in 1973. I have been in your shoes...just been a long time. My wounds are healed but the airplane is not forgotten! We have a good group here and continue to hang out here. It will be good therapy for y'all and US! -------- Jerry Dotson 59 Daniel Johnson Rd Baker, FL 32531 Started building NX510JD July, 2009 wing, tailfeathers done, fuselage rolling using Lycoming O-235 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=335919#335919 ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 06:40:14 AM PST US From: Kip and Beth Gardner Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Corvair Powered Piets Actually they technically weren't 'knocked out of the sky" - their inherent reliability just led to the unfortunate situation of having them on the ground in the wrong place & time. Kip Gardner Do not archive On Apr 3, 2011, at 8:00 AM, Jack Phillips wrote: > And I couldn=92t afford to fly mine there this year (had it there last > year) what with gas prices being what they are. I hope to fly it to > Brodhead and Oshkosh this summer, but might bring the RV-4 since it > costs about half as much to fly as the Pietenpol. > > So with one fell swoop, about a third of the flying Corvair powered > Pietenpols were knocked out of the sky. > > Jack Phillips > NX899JP =93Icarus Plummet=94 > Raleigh, NC > > From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com > ] On Behalf Of Ben Charvet > Sent: Saturday, April 02, 2011 9:28 PM > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Corvair Powered Piets > > I was half way there when I hit a solid cloud layer (Cont A-65) and > turned around for home. I proceeded on to SNF by car, and with the > forecast decided not to try again. The 3 Piets that made it there > came in over the weekend before the weather turned to crap. I > stopped by to see them Thurs night after the storm and they were all > in pretty good spirits all things considered. Meanwhile I consider > myself to be one of the luckiest Piet owner/builders alive. > Hopefully there will be at least one Continental Piet there next > year (mine) > > > Ben Charvet > Titusville, Fl > > On 4/2/2011 8:34 PM, Gary Boothe wrote: > OK...I=92ll ask the obvious question: > > Were Corvair powered Piets the only Piets to make it to Sun =91n Fun? > Hmmmm.................. > > Gary > Do not archive > > > -- > Ben Charvet, PharmD > Staff Pharmacist > Parrish Medical center > > > http://www.matronics.com/contribution > > ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 07:34:49 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Piet as Art From: "cjborsuk" Working on my wing. Just finished putting on the leading and trailing edges and the wing tips, so I put it all together to see how it looks. Exciting stuff!! It looks so much like a piece of art, I decided to turn it into art. Well, to be honest, whoever said it wasn't art already?? I hope you enjoy. Chuck in Raleigh Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=335928#335928 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/small_yellow_wing_4_2_11_013_869.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/small_wing_4_2_11_053_996.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/small_wing_4_2_11_035_239.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/small_wing_4_2_11_030_315.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/small_wing_4_2_11_002_201.jpg ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 07:53:09 AM PST US From: "Gboothe5" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Corvair Powered Piets Yes, and they will go forth, multiply, and return. Gary Do not archive From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Kip and Beth Gardner Sent: Sunday, April 03, 2011 6:38 AM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Corvair Powered Piets Actually they technically weren't 'knocked out of the sky" - their inherent reliability just led to the unfortunate situation of having them on the ground in the wrong place & time. Kip Gardner Do not archive On Apr 3, 2011, at 8:00 AM, Jack Phillips wrote: And I couldn't afford to fly mine there this year (had it there last year) what with gas prices being what they are. I hope to fly it to Brodhead and Oshkosh this summer, but might bring the RV-4 since it costs about half as much to fly as the Pietenpol. So with one fell swoop, about a third of the flying Corvair powered Pietenpols were knocked out of the sky. Jack Phillips NX899JP "Icarus Plummet" Raleigh, NC _____ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ben Charvet Sent: Saturday, April 02, 2011 9:28 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Corvair Powered Piets I was half way there when I hit a solid cloud layer (Cont A-65) and turned around for home. I proceeded on to SNF by car, and with the forecast decided not to try again. The 3 Piets that made it there came in over the weekend before the weather turned to crap. I stopped by to see them Thurs night after the storm and they were all in pretty good spirits all things considered. Meanwhile I consider myself to be one of the luckiest Piet owner/builders alive. Hopefully there will be at least one Continental Piet there next year (mine) Ben Charvet Titusville, Fl On 4/2/2011 8:34 PM, Gary Boothe wrote: OK...I'll ask the obvious question: Were Corvair powered Piets the only Piets to make it to Sun 'n Fun? Hmmmm.................. Gary Do not archive -- Ben Charvet, PharmD Staff Pharmacist Parrish Medical center http://www.matronics.com/contribution href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List blue; text-decoration: underline; ">http://forums.matronics.com style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">http://www.matronics.com/contribution ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 08:01:20 AM PST US From: "Gboothe5" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Piet as Art Interesting... I don't know Jack about art, but nice to see your wing put together! Gary in Cool Do not archive -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of cjborsuk Sent: Sunday, April 03, 2011 7:32 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Piet as Art Working on my wing. Just finished putting on the leading and trailing edges and the wing tips, so I put it all together to see how it looks. Exciting stuff!! It looks so much like a piece of art, I decided to turn it into art. Well, to be honest, whoever said it wasn't art already?? I hope you enjoy. Chuck in Raleigh Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=335928#335928 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/small_yellow_wing_4_2_11_013_869.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/small_wing_4_2_11_053_996.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/small_wing_4_2_11_035_239.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/small_wing_4_2_11_030_315.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/small_wing_4_2_11_002_201.jpg ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 08:14:56 AM PST US From: "Jack Phillips" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Piet as Art I actually like the natural color the best. Beautiful work, Chuck. Jack Phillips NX899JP "Icarus Plummet" Raleigh, NC -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of cjborsuk Sent: Sunday, April 03, 2011 10:32 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Piet as Art Working on my wing. Just finished putting on the leading and trailing edges and the wing tips, so I put it all together to see how it looks. Exciting stuff!! It looks so much like a piece of art, I decided to turn it into art. Well, to be honest, whoever said it wasn't art already?? I hope you enjoy. Chuck in Raleigh Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=335928#335928 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/small_yellow_wing_4_2_11_013_869.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/small_wing_4_2_11_053_996.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/small_wing_4_2_11_035_239.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/small_wing_4_2_11_030_315.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/small_wing_4_2_11_002_201.jpg ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 08:16:20 AM PST US From: "Jack Phillips" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Corvair Powered Piets Just like fungus _____ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gboothe5 Sent: Sunday, April 03, 2011 10:50 AM Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Corvair Powered Piets Yes, and they will go forth, multiply, and return. Gary Do not archive From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Kip and Beth Gardner Sent: Sunday, April 03, 2011 6:38 AM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Corvair Powered Piets Actually they technically weren't 'knocked out of the sky" - their inherent reliability just led to the unfortunate situation of having them on the ground in the wrong place & time. Kip Gardner Do not archive On Apr 3, 2011, at 8:00 AM, Jack Phillips wrote: And I couldn't afford to fly mine there this year (had it there last year) what with gas prices being what they are. I hope to fly it to Brodhead and Oshkosh this summer, but might bring the RV-4 since it costs about half as much to fly as the Pietenpol. So with one fell swoop, about a third of the flying Corvair powered Pietenpols were knocked out of the sky. Jack Phillips NX899JP "Icarus Plummet" Raleigh, NC _____ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ben Charvet Sent: Saturday, April 02, 2011 9:28 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Corvair Powered Piets I was half way there when I hit a solid cloud layer (Cont A-65) and turned around for home. I proceeded on to SNF by car, and with the forecast decided not to try again. The 3 Piets that made it there came in over the weekend before the weather turned to crap. I stopped by to see them Thurs night after the storm and they were all in pretty good spirits all things considered. Meanwhile I consider myself to be one of the luckiest Piet owner/builders alive. Hopefully there will be at least one Continental Piet there next year (mine) Ben Charvet Titusville, Fl On 4/2/2011 8:34 PM, Gary Boothe wrote: OK...I'll ask the obvious question: Were Corvair powered Piets the only Piets to make it to Sun 'n Fun? Hmmmm.................. Gary Do not archive -- Ben Charvet, PharmD Staff Pharmacist Parrish Medical center http://www.matronics.com/contribution href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List blue; text-decoration: underline; ">http://forums.matronics.com style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">http://www.matronics.com/contribution http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List http://forums.matronics.com http://www.matronics.com/contribution ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 08:26:31 AM PST US From: Kip and Beth Gardner Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Corvair Powered Piets Denial and backsliding are common when you first come out of the closet - we understand Jack. Kip For God's sake, Do not archive On Apr 3, 2011, at 11:13 AM, Jack Phillips wrote: > Just like fungus > > From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com > ] On Behalf Of Gboothe5 > Sent: Sunday, April 03, 2011 10:50 AM > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Corvair Powered Piets > > Yes, and they will go forth, multiply, and return=85 > > Gary > Do not archive > > From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com > ] On Behalf Of Kip and Beth Gardner > Sent: Sunday, April 03, 2011 6:38 AM > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Corvair Powered Piets > > Actually they technically weren't 'knocked out of the sky" - their > inherent reliability just led to the unfortunate situation of having > them on the ground in the wrong place & time. > > Kip Gardner > > Do not archive > > On Apr 3, 2011, at 8:00 AM, Jack Phillips wrote: > > > And I couldn=92t afford to fly mine there this year (had it there last > year) what with gas prices being what they are. I hope to fly it to > Brodhead and Oshkosh this summer, but might bring the RV-4 since it > costs about half as much to fly as the Pietenpol. > > So with one fell swoop, about a third of the flying Corvair powered > Pietenpols were knocked out of the sky. > > Jack Phillips > NX899JP =93Icarus Plummet=94 > Raleigh, NC > > From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com > ] On Behalf Of Ben Charvet > Sent: Saturday, April 02, 2011 9:28 PM > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Corvair Powered Piets > > I was half way there when I hit a solid cloud layer (Cont A-65) and > turned around for home. I proceeded on to SNF by car, and with the > forecast decided not to try again. The 3 Piets that made it there > came in over the weekend before the weather turned to crap. I > stopped by to see them Thurs night after the storm and they were all > in pretty good spirits all things considered. Meanwhile I consider > myself to be one of the luckiest Piet owner/builders alive. > Hopefully there will be at least one Continental Piet there next > year (mine) > > > Ben Charvet > Titusville, Fl > > On 4/2/2011 8:34 PM, Gary Boothe wrote: > OK...I=92ll ask the obvious question: > > Were Corvair powered Piets the only Piets to make it to Sun =91n Fun? > Hmmmm.................. > > Gary > Do not archive > > > -- > Ben Charvet, PharmD > Staff Pharmacist > Parrish Medical center > > > http://www.matronics.com/contribution > > > href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List" > style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List > blue; text-decoration: underline; ">http://forums.matronics.com > style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">http://www.matronics.com/contribution > > > http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List > > http://forums.matronics.com > > http://www.matronics.com/contribution > > > http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List > http://forums.matronics.com > http://www.matronics.com/contribution > > ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 08:33:44 AM PST US From: "Jack Phillips" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Corvair Powered Piets I'll bet you do. _____ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Kip and Beth Gardner Sent: Sunday, April 03, 2011 11:24 AM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Corvair Powered Piets Denial and backsliding are common when you first come out of the closet - we understand Jack. Kip For God's sake, Do not archive On Apr 3, 2011, at 11:13 AM, Jack Phillips wrote: Just like fungus _____ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gboothe5 Sent: Sunday, April 03, 2011 10:50 AM Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Corvair Powered Piets Yes, and they will go forth, multiply, and return. Gary Do not archive From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Kip and Beth Gardner Sent: Sunday, April 03, 2011 6:38 AM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Corvair Powered Piets Actually they technically weren't 'knocked out of the sky" - their inherent reliability just led to the unfortunate situation of having them on the ground in the wrong place & time. Kip Gardner Do not archive On Apr 3, 2011, at 8:00 AM, Jack Phillips wrote: And I couldn't afford to fly mine there this year (had it there last year) what with gas prices being what they are. I hope to fly it to Brodhead and Oshkosh this summer, but might bring the RV-4 since it costs about half as much to fly as the Pietenpol. So with one fell swoop, about a third of the flying Corvair powered Pietenpols were knocked out of the sky. Jack Phillips NX899JP "Icarus Plummet" Raleigh, NC _____ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ben Charvet Sent: Saturday, April 02, 2011 9:28 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Corvair Powered Piets I was half way there when I hit a solid cloud layer (Cont A-65) and turned around for home. I proceeded on to SNF by car, and with the forecast decided not to try again. The 3 Piets that made it there came in over the weekend before the weather turned to crap. I stopped by to see them Thurs night after the storm and they were all in pretty good spirits all things considered. Meanwhile I consider myself to be one of the luckiest Piet owner/builders alive. Hopefully there will be at least one Continental Piet there next year (mine) Ben Charvet Titusville, Fl On 4/2/2011 8:34 PM, Gary Boothe wrote: OK...I'll ask the obvious question: Were Corvair powered Piets the only Piets to make it to Sun 'n Fun? Hmmmm.................. Gary Do not archive -- Ben Charvet, PharmD Staff Pharmacist Parrish Medical center http://www.matronics.com/contribution href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List blue; text-decoration: underline; ">http://forums.matronics.com style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">http://www.matronics.com/contribution http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List http://forums.matronics.com http://www.matronics.com/contribution http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List http://forums.matronics.com http://www.matronics.com/contribution ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 09:49:23 AM PST US From: "Chris" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Fuselage Wedge Fillers Tom The only wedge fillers I added are where the engine mount fittings attach to the front of fuselage and where the landing gear fittings attach. In all the construction photos I have seen I haven't noticed many people add fillers to the other joints. Chris Sacramento, Ca Westcoastpiet.com -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of tdudley@umn.edu Sent: Saturday, April 02, 2011 5:31 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Fuselage Wedge Fillers --> For the fuselage, plans show a total of 3 wedge fillers glued between the fore-end spruce verticals. I am not trying to overthink, but is that it? Built per plans, only 3 wedge fillers. All other joints are similarly double gusseted with 1/8" plyboard. Is there a need for wedge fillers for the other fuselage verticals? Thanks, Tom Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=335887#335887 ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 10:40:17 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Looking for a wood supplier in Minneapolis From: "jarheadpilot82" I am going to be in MSP on business later this week. I am trying to put on my scrounger hat while I am there. I know that Minnesota is a part of the country that has better choices in wood than I do down in Georgia. Does anyone know of a wood supplier in that area? My thought is I could purchase the wood I want, and ship it home cheaper than I can ordering it. I get a good shipping rate via my employer. Any thoughts? Your help is greatly appreciated. -------- Semper Fi, Terry Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=335957#335957 ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 11:15:36 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Piet as Art From: Matt Wash The natural colored picture is frame worthy. Congrats, beautiful work. ~Matt On Sun, Apr 3, 2011 at 9:31 AM, cjborsuk wrote: > > Working on my wing. Just finished putting on the leading and trailing edges > and the wing tips, so I put it all together to see how it looks. Exciting > stuff!! It looks so much like a piece of art, I decided to turn it into art. > Well, to be honest, whoever said it wasn't art already?? I hope you enjoy. > > Chuck in Raleigh > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=335928#335928 > > > Attachments: > > http://forums.matronics.com//files/small_yellow_wing_4_2_11_013_869.jpg > http://forums.matronics.com//files/small_wing_4_2_11_053_996.jpg > http://forums.matronics.com//files/small_wing_4_2_11_035_239.jpg > http://forums.matronics.com//files/small_wing_4_2_11_030_315.jpg > http://forums.matronics.com//files/small_wing_4_2_11_002_201.jpg > > ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 11:37:32 AM PST US From: Ben Charvet Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Corvair Powered Piets It seems that at a time like this, when 3 of our brothers have lost their airplanes in such a tragic manner we could put aside all this Corvair trashing. These guys spent an average of 6 years each building their airplanes, and now face the unpleasant task of rebuilding. They mentioned the Corvair bashing when I spoke with them last Thursday night, and I tried to backpedal it, saying it was mostly tongue in cheek. However as it continues it makes me want to sign off of the list for a while, since I no longer need the support and my Continental powered Piet is still flying well and is safely at home. But for the grace of God it would have been wrapped in the same ball as the three Corvair Piets. The purpose of this list is to give positive support to each other not to belittle the efforts of others, especially when some of those Corvair Piets had more miles/hours in the last year than nearly anyone else on the list. Think about it.... Ben Charvet Titusville, Fl On 4/3/2011 11:13 AM, Jack Phillips wrote: > > Just like fungus > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > *From:*owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Gboothe5 > *Sent:* Sunday, April 03, 2011 10:50 AM > *To:* pietenpol-list@matronics.com > *Subject:* RE: Pietenpol-List: Corvair Powered Piets > > Yes, and they will go forth, multiply, and return... > > Gary > > Do not archive > > *From:*owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Kip > and Beth Gardner > *Sent:* Sunday, April 03, 2011 6:38 AM > *To:* pietenpol-list@matronics.com > *Subject:* Re: Pietenpol-List: Corvair Powered Piets > > Actually they technically weren't 'knocked out of the sky" - their > inherent reliability just led to the unfortunate situation of having > them on the ground in the wrong place & time. > > Kip Gardner > > Do not archive > > On Apr 3, 2011, at 8:00 AM, Jack Phillips wrote: > > And I couldn't afford to fly mine there this year (had it there last > year) what with gas prices being what they are. I hope to fly it to > Brodhead andOshkoshthis summer, but might bring the RV-4 since it > costs about half as much to fly as the Pietenpol. > > So with one fell swoop, about a third of the flying Corvair powered > Pietenpols were knocked out of the sky. > > Jack Phillips > > NX899JP "Icarus Plummet" > > Raleigh, NC > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > *From:*owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com > > [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com]*On Behalf Of*Ben > Charvet > *Sent:*Saturday, April 02, 2011 9:28 PM > *To:*pietenpol-list@matronics.com > *Subject:*Re: Pietenpol-List: Corvair Powered Piets > > I was half way there when I hit a solid cloud layer (Cont A-65) and > turned around for home. I proceeded on to SNF by car, and with the > forecast decided not to try again. The 3 Piets that made it there > came in over the weekend before the weather turned to crap. I stopped > by to see them Thurs night after the storm and they were all in pretty > good spirits all things considered. Meanwhile I consider myself to be > one of the luckiest Piet owner/builders alive. Hopefully there will > be at least one Continental Piet there next year (mine) > > > Ben Charvet > Titusville, Fl > > On 4/2/2011 8:34 PM, Gary Boothe wrote: > > OK...I'll ask the obvious question: > > Were Corvair powered Piets the only Piets to make it to Sun 'n Fun? > Hmmmm.................. > > Gary > > Do not archive > > * * > * * > * * > > > -- > Ben Charvet, PharmD > Staff Pharmacist > Parrish Medical center > * * > * * > *http://www.matronics.com/contribution* > * * > * * > * * > *href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List* > *blue; text-decoration: underline; ">http://forums.matronics.com* > *style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">http://www.matronics.com/contribution* > * * > > * * > * * > * * > *http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List* > * * > *http://forums.matronics.com* > * * > *http://www.matronics.com/contribution* > * * > * * > * * > * * > ** > ** > ** > *http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List* > ** > ** > *http://forums.matronics.com* > ** > ** > *http://www.matronics.com/contribution* > * * > * > > > * -- Ben Charvet, PharmD Staff Pharmacist Parrish Medical center ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 12:04:56 PM PST US Subject: Re: Re: Pietenpol-List: Corvair Powered Piets From: Jack Well said Ben... Do no archive Jack Textor Sent from my iPhone On Apr 3, 2011, at 1:34 PM, Ben Charvet wrote: > It seems that at a time like this, when 3 of our brothers have lost their a irplanes in such a tragic manner we could put aside all this Corvair trashin g. These guys spent an average of 6 years each building their airplanes, an d now face the unpleasant task of rebuilding. They mentioned the Corvair ba shing when I spoke with them last Thursday night, and I tried to backpedal i t, saying it was mostly tongue in cheek. However as it continues it makes m e want to sign off of the list for a while, since I no longer need the suppo rt and my Continental powered Piet is still flying well and is safely at hom e. But for the grace of God it would have been wrapped in the same ball as t he three Corvair Piets. > > The purpose of this list is to give positive support to each other not to b elittle the efforts of others, especially when some of those Corvair Piets h ad more miles/hours in the last year than nearly anyone else on the list. > > Think about it.... > > Ben Charvet > Titusville, Fl > > On 4/3/2011 11:13 AM, Jack Phillips wrote: >> >> Just like fungus >> >> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-l ist-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gboothe5 >> Sent: Sunday, April 03, 2011 10:50 AM >> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com >> Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Corvair Powered Piets >> >> Yes, and they will go forth, multiply, and return >> >> Gary >> Do not archive >> >> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-l ist-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Kip and Beth Gardner >> Sent: Sunday, April 03, 2011 6:38 AM >> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com >> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Corvair Powered Piets >> >> Actually they technically weren't 'knocked out of the sky" - their inhere nt reliability just led to the unfortunate situation of having them on the g round in the wrong place & time. >> >> Kip Gardner >> >> Do not archive >> >> On Apr 3, 2011, at 8:00 AM, Jack Phillips wrote: >> >> >> And I couldn=99t afford to fly mine there this year (had it there l ast year) what with gas prices being what they are. I hope to fly it to Bro dhead and Oshkosh this summer, but might bring the RV-4 since it costs about half as much to fly as the Pietenpol. >> >> So with one fell swoop, about a third of the flying Corvair powered Piete npols were knocked out of the sky. >> >> Jack Phillips >> NX899JP =9CIcarus Plummet=9D >> Raleigh, NC >> >> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-l ist-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ben Charvet >> Sent: Saturday, April 02, 2011 9:28 PM >> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com >> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Corvair Powered Piets >> >> I was half way there when I hit a solid cloud layer (Cont A-65) and turne d around for home. I proceeded on to SNF by car, and with the forecast deci ded not to try again. The 3 Piets that made it there came in over the weeke nd before the weather turned to crap. I stopped by to see them Thurs night a fter the storm and they were all in pretty good spirits all things considere d. Meanwhile I consider myself to be one of the luckiest Piet owner/builder s alive. Hopefully there will be at least one Continental Piet there next y ear (mine) >> >> >> Ben Charvet >> Titusville, Fl >> >> On 4/2/2011 8:34 PM, Gary Boothe wrote: >> OK...I=99ll ask the obvious question: >> >> Were Corvair powered Piets the only Piets to make it to Sun =98n Fu n? Hmmmm.................. >> >> Gary >> Do not archive >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> Ben Charvet, PharmD >> Staff Pharmacist >> Parrish Medical center >> >> >> http://www.matronics.com/contribution >> >> >> >> href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List" style="color : blue; text-decoration: underline; ">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pie tenpol-List >> blue; text-decoration: underline; ">http://forums.matronics.com >> style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">http://www.matronics. com/contribution >> >> >> >> >> >> >> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List >> >> http://forums.matronics.com >> >> http://www.matronics.com/contribution >> >> >> >> >> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List >> http://forums.matronics.com >> http://www.matronics.com/contribution >> >> >> >> > > > -- > Ben Charvet, PharmD > Staff Pharmacist > Parrish Medical center > > ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= > ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 12:09:38 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Corvair Powered Piets From: "jarheadpilot82" Well put, Ben. I think the word we should all focus on is "Piet", realize that we are all here to support each other and let the rest of it go, especially with the destruction that has gone on this past week. Do not archive. -------- Semper Fi, Terry Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=335966#335966 ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 12:51:14 PM PST US From: "Jack" Subject: Pietenpol-List: Rudder Bar and Post All, The plans call for an AN5 for the top rudder bar/post connection. Is an AN4 ok for the bottom bolts for the post and brace? Thanks, Jack DSM ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 01:09:34 PM PST US From: "Jack Phillips" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Corvair Powered Piets Ben, I appreciate your thoughts on this and agree. I figured most people know that my comments are very much tongue-in-cheek, since some of the people on this list that I hold in very high regard, such as Shad Bell, Randy Bush, Kevin Purtee, Rick Holland, PF Beck, Gardiner Mason and Gary Boothe, just to name a few, have chosen to power their Pietenpols with Corvairs. I'll hold off if Gary will. Jack Phillips NX899JP "Icarus Plummet" Raleigh, NC _____ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ben Charvet Sent: Sunday, April 03, 2011 2:34 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Corvair Powered Piets It seems that at a time like this, when 3 of our brothers have lost their airplanes in such a tragic manner we could put aside all this Corvair trashing. These guys spent an average of 6 years each building their airplanes, and now face the unpleasant task of rebuilding. They mentioned the Corvair bashing when I spoke with them last Thursday night, and I tried to backpedal it, saying it was mostly tongue in cheek. However as it continues it makes me want to sign off of the list for a while, since I no longer need the support and my Continental powered Piet is still flying well and is safely at home. But for the grace of God it would have been wrapped in the same ball as the three Corvair Piets. The purpose of this list is to give positive support to each other not to belittle the efforts of others, especially when some of those Corvair Piets had more miles/hours in the last year than nearly anyone else on the list. Think about it.... Ben Charvet Titusville, Fl On 4/3/2011 11:13 AM, Jack Phillips wrote: Just like fungus _____ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gboothe5 Sent: Sunday, April 03, 2011 10:50 AM Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Corvair Powered Piets Yes, and they will go forth, multiply, and return. Gary Do not archive From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Kip and Beth Gardner Sent: Sunday, April 03, 2011 6:38 AM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Corvair Powered Piets Actually they technically weren't 'knocked out of the sky" - their inherent reliability just led to the unfortunate situation of having them on the ground in the wrong place & time. Kip Gardner Do not archive On Apr 3, 2011, at 8:00 AM, Jack Phillips wrote: And I couldn't afford to fly mine there this year (had it there last year) what with gas prices being what they are. I hope to fly it to Brodhead and Oshkosh this summer, but might bring the RV-4 since it costs about half as much to fly as the Pietenpol. So with one fell swoop, about a third of the flying Corvair powered Pietenpols were knocked out of the sky. Jack Phillips NX899JP "Icarus Plummet" Raleigh, NC _____ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ben Charvet Sent: Saturday, April 02, 2011 9:28 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Corvair Powered Piets I was half way there when I hit a solid cloud layer (Cont A-65) and turned around for home. I proceeded on to SNF by car, and with the forecast decided not to try again. The 3 Piets that made it there came in over the weekend before the weather turned to crap. I stopped by to see them Thurs night after the storm and they were all in pretty good spirits all things considered. Meanwhile I consider myself to be one of the luckiest Piet owner/builders alive. Hopefully there will be at least one Continental Piet there next year (mine) Ben Charvet Titusville, Fl On 4/2/2011 8:34 PM, Gary Boothe wrote: OK...I'll ask the obvious question: Were Corvair powered Piets the only Piets to make it to Sun 'n Fun? Hmmmm.................. Gary Do not archive -- Ben Charvet, PharmD Staff Pharmacist Parrish Medical center http://www.matronics.com/contribution href= "http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List blue; text-decoration: underline; ">http://forums.matronics.com style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">http://www.matronics.com/contribution http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List http://forums.matronics.com http://www.matronics.com/contribution http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List http://forums.matronics.com http://www.matronics.com/contribution -- Ben Charvet, PharmD Staff Pharmacist Parrish Medical center ________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ Time: 01:31:41 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Seat frame heights for long fuselage Piet From: "flash308" What is the front and rear seat frame heights for long fuselage Pietenpol ? The plans do not show the measurements.[/list] Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=335974#335974 ________________________________ Message 24 ____________________________________ Time: 01:38:49 PM PST US From: "Chris" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Seat frame heights for long fuselage Piet Same height as the short fuselage. Chris Sacramento, Ca Westcoastpiet.com -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of flash308 Sent: Sunday, April 03, 2011 1:29 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Seat frame heights for long fuselage Piet What is the front and rear seat frame heights for long fuselage Pietenpol ? The plans do not show the measurements.[/list] Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=335974#335974 ________________________________ Message 25 ____________________________________ Time: 02:12:31 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Looking for a wood supplier in Minneapolis From: "tdudley@umn.edu" Funny--I'm in Minnesota and get all my wood from Georgia (Peach Tree City Aircraft Spruce). I, however, don't have the experience to select wood and rip it to my satisfaction. Maybe Dick Navratil or Greg Cardinal could help. Or Ken Heide? Tom Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=335977#335977 ________________________________ Message 26 ____________________________________ Time: 02:17:02 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Fuselage Wedge Fillers From: "tdudley@umn.edu" Chris and Jack, Thanks for your input. You answered my question. The plans call for using the wedges in the fuse by the landing gear (but didn't show any added further aft) and I just wanted to clarify that. Coincidence has it I received answers from the two people I consulted in other ways. Right after posting I looked up Jack's website and Westcoast Piet and perused all the pics I could of fuselage's in construction. Both sites have been real valuable in building. K5YAC's build site is also really helpful (among others!). Thanks again. Tom Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=335978#335978 ________________________________ Message 27 ____________________________________ Time: 02:23:01 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Looking for a wood supplier in Minneapolis From: "jarheadpilot82" Tom, It is my understanding that all of the wood gets shipped from Aircraft Spruce West, not East (GA). But having said that, I will check for sure. If you have contact info for those guys you mentioned, that would be much appreciated. I don't mind ripping, planing, and cutting my own wood. I am sort of in the endurance run mode, not the sprint. I want to take it slow, easy, and enjoy the process. I will finish the airplane when I finish it, and not a day sooner. I am also in the "I found a good deal by searching and scrounging" mode as well. Thanks for the advice. -------- Semper Fi, Terry Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=335979#335979 ________________________________ Message 28 ____________________________________ Time: 02:34:18 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Seat frame heights for long fuselage Piet From: "flash308" Catdesigns wrote: > Same height as the short fuselage. > > Chris > Sacramento, Ca > Westcoastpiet.com > > > -- May I ask what the measurements are. I am looking for distance from floor front and back of seat. It also appears that they are different front and rear seats Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=335981#335981 ________________________________ Message 29 ____________________________________ Time: 02:49:45 PM PST US From: "Gboothe5" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Corvair Powered Piets Deal!! Didn't mean to disconcert the masses. Gary Do not archive From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jack Phillips Sent: Sunday, April 03, 2011 1:07 PM Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Corvair Powered Piets Ben, I appreciate your thoughts on this and agree. I figured most people know that my comments are very much tongue-in-cheek, since some of the people on this list that I hold in very high regard, such as Shad Bell, Randy Bush, Kevin Purtee, Rick Holland, PF Beck, Gardiner Mason and Gary Boothe, just to name a few, have chosen to power their Pietenpols with Corvairs. I'll hold off if Gary will. Jack Phillips NX899JP "Icarus Plummet" Raleigh, NC _____ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ben Charvet Sent: Sunday, April 03, 2011 2:34 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Corvair Powered Piets It seems that at a time like this, when 3 of our brothers have lost their airplanes in such a tragic manner we could put aside all this Corvair trashing. These guys spent an average of 6 years each building their airplanes, and now face the unpleasant task of rebuilding. They mentioned the Corvair bashing when I spoke with them last Thursday night, and I tried to backpedal it, saying it was mostly tongue in cheek. However as it continues it makes me want to sign off of the list for a while, since I no longer need the support and my Continental powered Piet is still flying well and is safely at home. But for the grace of God it would have been wrapped in the same ball as the three Corvair Piets. The purpose of this list is to give positive support to each other not to belittle the efforts of others, especially when some of those Corvair Piets had more miles/hours in the last year than nearly anyone else on the list. Think about it.... Ben Charvet Titusville, Fl On 4/3/2011 11:13 AM, Jack Phillips wrote: Just like fungus _____ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gboothe5 Sent: Sunday, April 03, 2011 10:50 AM Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Corvair Powered Piets Yes, and they will go forth, multiply, and return. Gary Do not archive From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Kip and Beth Gardner Sent: Sunday, April 03, 2011 6:38 AM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Corvair Powered Piets Actually they technically weren't 'knocked out of the sky" - their inherent reliability just led to the unfortunate situation of having them on the ground in the wrong place & time. Kip Gardner Do not archive On Apr 3, 2011, at 8:00 AM, Jack Phillips wrote: And I couldn't afford to fly mine there this year (had it there last year) what with gas prices being what they are. I hope to fly it to Brodhead and Oshkosh this summer, but might bring the RV-4 since it costs about half as much to fly as the Pietenpol. So with one fell swoop, about a third of the flying Corvair powered Pietenpols were knocked out of the sky. Jack Phillips NX899JP "Icarus Plummet" Raleigh, NC _____ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ben Charvet Sent: Saturday, April 02, 2011 9:28 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Corvair Powered Piets I was half way there when I hit a solid cloud layer (Cont A-65) and turned around for home. I proceeded on to SNF by car, and with the forecast decided not to try again. The 3 Piets that made it there came in over the weekend before the weather turned to crap. I stopped by to see them Thurs night after the storm and they were all in pretty good spirits all things considered. Meanwhile I consider myself to be one of the luckiest Piet owner/builders alive. Hopefully there will be at least one Continental Piet there next year (mine) Ben Charvet Titusville, Fl On 4/2/2011 8:34 PM, Gary Boothe wrote: OK...I'll ask the obvious question: Were Corvair powered Piets the only Piets to make it to Sun 'n Fun? Hmmmm.................. Gary Do not archive -- Ben Charvet, PharmD Staff Pharmacist Parrish Medical center http://www.matronics.com/contribution href= "http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List blue; text-decoration: underline; ">http://forums.matronics.com style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">http://www.matronics.com/contribution http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List http://forums.matronics.com http://www.matronics.com/contribution http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List http://forums.matronics.com http://www.matronics.com/contribution -- Ben Charvet, PharmD Staff Pharmacist Parrish Medical center http://www.matronics.com/contribution ________________________________ Message 30 ____________________________________ Time: 03:30:40 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Looking for a wood supplier in Minneapolis From: "tdudley@umn.edu" Terry, I suppose I could be wrong--maybe some of my wood has shipped from the West, but my last shipment was delayed a good 10 days because of the storm we had in February that seemed to shut down everything from the southeast. As for contacts, I'd bet all three are lurking this site and will be able to provide. I don't have Ken Heide's number off hand, but if you go back a page or two to a post I had about a Minnesota Corvair engine, Ken listed his number as one of the replies. Hope your trip to Minnesota is a good one. Lindbergh International, I suppose? Tom Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=335987#335987 ________________________________ Message 31 ____________________________________ Time: 03:30:40 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Piet as Art From: "kevinpurtee" I actually have a similar shot, taken by Shelley, from under the wing looking down the length. The top fabric is draped across the top. It's framed in my office as a black and white. do no archive -------- Kevin "Axel" Purtee NX899KP Austin/Georgetown, TX Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=335988#335988 ________________________________ Message 32 ____________________________________ Time: 03:43:35 PM PST US From: Gene Rambo Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Looking for a wood supplier in Minneapolis Don't know about all of you=2C but I have always had better luck with Wicks =2C aren't they in Minnesota? Gene > Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Looking for a wood supplier in Minneapolis > From: tdudley@umn.edu > Date: Sun=2C 3 Apr 2011 15:28:11 -0700 > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > > > Terry=2C > > I suppose I could be wrong--maybe some of my wood has shipped from the We st=2C but my last shipment was delayed a good 10 days because of the storm we had in February that seemed to shut down everything from the southeast. > > As for contacts=2C I'd bet all three are lurking this site and will be ab le to provide. I don't have Ken Heide's number off hand=2C but if you go ba ck a page or two to a post I had about a Minnesota Corvair engine=2C Ken li sted his number as one of the replies. > > Hope your trip to Minnesota is a good one. Lindbergh International=2C I s uppose? > > Tom > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=335987#335987 > > > > > > > =========== =========== =========== =========== > > > ________________________________ Message 33 ____________________________________ Time: 04:23:52 PM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Looking for a wood supplier in Minneapolis From: Ryan Mueller Southern IL, actually.... On Sun, Apr 3, 2011 at 5:36 PM, Gene Rambo wrote: > Don't know about all of you, but I have always had better luck with Wicks, > aren't they in Minnesota? > > Gene > > > Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Looking for a wood supplier in Minneapolis > > From: tdudley@umn.edu > > Date: Sun, 3 Apr 2011 15:28:11 -0700 > > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > > > > > > > > > Terry, > > > > I suppose I could be wrong--maybe some of my wood has shipped from the > West, but my last shipment was delayed a good 10 days because of the storm > we had in February that seemed to shut down everything from the southeast. > > > > As for contacts, I'd bet all three are lurking this site and will be able > to provide. I don't have Ken Heide's number off hand, but if you go back a > page or two to a post I had about a Minnesota Corvair engine, Ken listed his > number as one of the replies. > > > > Hope your trip to Minnesota is a good one. Lindbergh International, I > suppose? > > > > Tom > > > > > > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=335987#335987 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > * > > * > > ________________________________ Message 34 ____________________________________ Time: 04:32:08 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Looking for a wood supplier in Minneapolis From: "jarheadpilot82" LHR-MSP on 4/7 MSP-LHR on 4/8 If there are any Pietenpols in the immediate vicinity of MSP I would sure love to see them. If not, I will just wait til Brodhead. -------- Semper Fi, Terry Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=335997#335997 ________________________________ Message 35 ____________________________________ Time: 05:48:38 PM PST US From: KM Heide CPO/FAAOP Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Looking for a wood supplier in Minneapolis Tom, - I have purchased my Okoume from a supplier in south Minneapolis. I had trie d to contact this supplier since-but been referred to another company who has purchassed his inventory.- - Long story short, save your time and energy as my experience has been dissa pointing and a complete waste of time. - Tom, if you have a good source for your lumber, don't change unless others here can give you a a better reason to switch. - Ken Heide Hawley, MN - Do not Archive - --- On Sun, 4/3/11, tdudley@umn.edu wrote: From: tdudley@umn.edu Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Looking for a wood supplier in Minneapolis Funny--I'm in Minnesota and get all my wood from Georgia (Peach Tree City A ircraft Spruce).- I, however, don't have the experience to select wood an d rip it to my satisfaction.- Maybe Dick Navratil or Greg Cardinal could help.- Or Ken Heide? Tom Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=335977#335977 le, List Admin. ________________________________ Message 36 ____________________________________ Time: 06:00:59 PM PST US From: Frank Metcalfe Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Piet as Art There is no doubt about it, looking at a naked Piet is absolutely art work. In some ways better than one with the cover on.There were times I did not want to cover it. Keep up the great work and take a lot of picture s. Hopefully you won=99t have to see her naked again once she gets dr essed !! =C2---- On Sun, 4/3/11, cjborsuk wrote: From: cjborsuk Subject: Pietenpol-List: Piet as Art Working on my wing. Just finished putting on the leading and trailing edges and the wing tips, so I put it all together to see how it looks. Exciting stuff!! It looks so much like a piece of art, I decided to turn it into art . Well, to be honest, whoever said it wasn't art already?? I hope you enjoy .. Chuck in Raleigh Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=335928#335928 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/small_yellow_wing_4_2_11_013_869.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/small_wing_4_2_11_053_996.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/small_wing_4_2_11_035_239.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/small_wing_4_2_11_030_315.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/small_wing_4_2_11_002_201.jpg t S WEB FORUMS - on Web Site - =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- -Matt Dralle, List Admin. ________________________________ Message 37 ____________________________________ Time: 06:07:43 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Looking for a wood supplier in Minneapolis From: "Jerry Dotson" Terry I bought all my wood from the Atlanta (Peachtree City) store. I picked it up in my truck and saw their stock and wood mill shop. They had quite a stock of wood,plywood and tubing. The have a semi park at the dock of the warehouse and I asked what they were going to put in it. They said that it was full of packing peanuts and that they used a load every couple of days! My wood was not cheap but outstanding quality. -------- Jerry Dotson 59 Daniel Johnson Rd Baker, FL 32531 Started building NX510JD July, 2009 wing, tailfeathers done, fuselage rolling using Lycoming O-235 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=336001#336001 ________________________________ Message 38 ____________________________________ Time: 06:13:12 PM PST US From: KM Heide CPO/FAAOP Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Looking for a wood supplier in Minneapolis Terry, - Another great stop while in Mpls may be Wentworth Aircraft Salvage. They ha ve every aircraft salvage part one can ever need. May find turnbuckles, ins truments, brake cylinders, etc....... Ken Heide Hawley, MN - DO not archive - --- On Sun, 4/3/11, jarheadpilot82 wrote: From: jarheadpilot82 Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Looking for a wood supplier in Minneapolis ail.com> LHR-MSP- on 4/7 MSP-LHR on 4/8 If there are any Pietenpols in the immediate vicinity of MSP I would sure l ove to see them. If not, I will just wait til Brodhead. -------- Semper Fi, Terry Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=335997#335997 le, List Admin. ________________________________ Message 39 ____________________________________ Time: 06:19:03 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Looking for a wood supplier in Minneapolis From: "jarheadpilot82" Jerry, Thanks for the heads up! I guess I just assumed the wood came out of Aircraft Spruce West. I live about an hour and a half from Peachtree City. I still am going to look in Minneapolis, but, if I have to I will drive down and get what I need. I still want to try and find it in a less expensive way. -------- Semper Fi, Terry Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=336004#336004 ________________________________ Message 40 ____________________________________ Time: 06:21:31 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Piet as Art From: "aerocarjake" Sure looks like art to me...... beautiful...! -------- Jake Schultz - curator, Newport Way Air Museum (OK, it's just my home) Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=336005#336005 ________________________________ Message 41 ____________________________________ Time: 06:24:28 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Corvair Powered Piets From: "Larry Vetter" I don't care what they were powered with its a shame three nice Pietenpols were damaged this way. I feel sorry for the guys that put all that time and work into them and now see them all piled in a ball. I hope they all are rebuilt and return to the air. Larry Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=336007#336007 ________________________________ Message 42 ____________________________________ Time: 06:25:53 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Seat frame heights for long fuselage Piet From: "echobravo4" I think the plans show the front seat is 7 5/8" high and the rear is 6" at the front end -------- Earl Brown I may not have gone where I intended to go, but I think I have ended up where I intended to be. 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