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1. 02:45 AM - Re: Re: Re: Piet as Art (Jack)
2. 04:44 AM - Steve's pics (Douwe Blumberg)
3. 06:40 AM - trimming adjustments (skellytown flyer)
4. 07:41 AM - Test (Jack)
5. 08:16 AM - Re: trimming adjustments (Bill Church)
6. 08:37 AM - Re: trimming adjustments (skellytown flyer)
7. 09:02 AM - Re: Re: trimming adjustments (Ken Bickers)
8. 10:17 AM - Re: Corvair Powered Piets (airlion)
9. 11:11 AM - Problems (Charles Campbell)
10. 11:21 AM - Re: Problems (Matthew VanDervort)
11. 11:22 AM - Re: Problems (V Groah)
12. 11:22 AM - yes Chuck Campbell, you are back on the Pietenpol list (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC AEROSPACE CORP])
13. 11:22 AM - Re: Problems (Ken Bickers)
14. 11:22 AM - Re: Problems (John Franklin)
15. 11:24 AM - Re: Problems (Pietn38b@aol.com)
16. 11:24 AM - Re: Problems (TOM STINEMETZE)
17. 11:35 AM - Re: Problems (Piet2112)
18. 11:49 AM - Thanks (Charles Campbell)
19. 12:56 PM - Re: "Historical reference only" (Barry Davis)
20. 01:32 PM - Re: trimming adjustments (Catdesigns)
21. 02:11 PM - Flight Testing (TOM STINEMETZE)
22. 02:35 PM - Re: Flight Testing (Kip and Beth Gardner)
23. 04:52 PM - Re: Flight Testing (Jerry Dotson)
24. 05:06 PM - ACS starter solenoid question (Douwe Blumberg)
25. 05:35 PM - Re: "Historical reference only" (Jack Phillips)
26. 05:38 PM - Re: Flight Testing (helspersew@aol.com)
27. 05:45 PM - Re: ACS starter solenoid question (Dave and Connie)
28. 06:11 PM - Re: ACS starter solenoid question (Jerry Dotson)
29. 06:34 PM - Project for sale (KM Heide CPO/FAAOP)
30. 06:55 PM - Re: Project for sale (Michael McGowan)
31. 07:43 PM - Re: Project for sale (KM Heide CPO/FAAOP)
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Really cool, I hope to make the trip some day with a completed Piet.
Thanks,
Jack
DSM
Do not archive
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Steve Ruse
Sent: Monday, April 04, 2011 11:14 PM
Subject: Re: Re: Pietenpol-List: Piet as Art
<steve@wotelectronics.com>
I'm not sure Jack, wish I knew. My best guess is that it was some kind of
pumping unit. The brown mess up front was an engine and there was a
driveshaft going towards the back. The structural timbers were huge. The
steel was so corroded from the salts that it was soft...rusted all the way
through, even pieces still near 1" thick were just a mass of soft rust.
Almost gone entirely. It was really interesting...wish I knew what it was.
Somebody paid a lot of money and did a lot of work to get it out there...now
it is almost gone. From the construction (steel engine, large timbers,
etc.) I'd guess it was made between 1910 and 1940.
Clyde Cessna did his early flights on those salt flats. The local bankers
didn't want to back him so he went to Wichita instead, undoubtedly changing
what might have been.
I saw multiple old, old bottles...including a brown glass clorox bleach
bottle. How long has it been since clorox came in brown glass bottles?
Steve Ruse
Norman, OK
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From: "Jack" <jack@textors.com>
Sent: Monday, April 04, 2011 7:39 PM
Subject: RE: Re: Pietenpol-List: Piet as Art
>
> Nice shots Steve, what are the "rotted out parts" you were parked next to?
> Jack
> DSM
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Steve Ruse
> Sent: Monday, April 04, 2011 12:24 PM
> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Piet as Art
>
> <steve@wotelectronics.com>
>
> It is a shame to cover all of the hard work that goes into a Piet.
> I'm often popping an inspection cover off my wing to show curious
> observers the work inside.
>
> But, covering a Piet allows you to do this (pictures from my weekend):
>
> http://www.wotelectronics.com/flying/salt/DSC_0581.JPG
> http://www.wotelectronics.com/flying/salt/DSC_0579.JPG
> http://www.wotelectronics.com/flying/salt/DSC_0619.JPG
> http://www.wotelectronics.com/flying/salt/DSC_0642.JPG
> http://www.wotelectronics.com/flying/salt/DSC_0566.JPG
> http://www.wotelectronics.com/flying/salt/DSC_0533.JPG
> http://www.wotelectronics.com/flying/salt/DSC_0489.JPG
> http://www.wotelectronics.com/flying/salt/DSC_0647.JPG
> http://www.wotelectronics.com/flying/salt/DSC_0658.JPG
> http://www.wotelectronics.com/flying/salt/DSC_0672.JPG
>
> Steve Ruse
> Norman, OK
>
> Quoting Frank Metcalfe <fmetcalf@bellsouth.net>:
>
>> There is no doubt about it, looking at a naked Piet is absolutely
>> art work. In some ways better than one with the cover on..There were
>> times I did not want to cover it. Keep up the great work and take a
>> lot of pictures. Hopefully you won't have to see her naked again
>> once she gets dressed !! --- On Sun, 4/3/11, cjborsuk
>> <cjborsuk@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>> From: cjborsuk <cjborsuk@yahoo.com>
>> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Piet as Art
>> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
>> Date: Sunday, April 3, 2011, 10:31 AM
>>
>>
>>
>> Working on my wing. Just finished putting on the leading and
>> trailing edges and the wing tips, so I put it all together to see
>> how it looks. Exciting stuff!! It looks so much like a piece of art,
>> I decided to turn it into art. Well, to be honest, whoever said it
>> wasn't art already?? I hope you enjoy.
>>
>> Chuck in Raleigh
>>
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>>
>> Read this topic online here:
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>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=335928#335928
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Thanks Steve for those gorgeous photos!!
Things like that are truly a "shot in the arm" during the long, dark, cold
winter days of rebuilding. Helps with the daydreams.
Douwe
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Subject: | trimming adjustments |
Well, the spring here in the Texas panhandle is not the best time for test flights
but it is where I'm at. I have one short flight on the GN-1 I got from D.J.
as a project. and it flew pretty well. I hesitate to change anything till I
get at least one longer flight in fairly calm conditions.the first one was more
to prove to myself that the plane is going to be manageable in flight and I
can get it on the ground safely. considering that it went well- I needed to hold
some forward stick to maintain level flight and left wing a little heavy but
not bad. what I'm wondering is-though I did the best I could at using the dimensions
of the fuselage/seat positions, fuel tank centerline. etc. to calculate
the empty C/G. and the wing is set at a higher angle of attack to help the
aircraft fly at a more level attitude. I think DJ did a good job there- I first
was thinking that I should raise the front of the horizontal stabilizer some
to help it be more neutral. I am wondering if it might be more useful to move
the battery forward some.it is behind the rear seat now since that is where I
needed it to go to get the figures to come out right. but since the the stabilizer
is flat with the fuselage longerons-if the plane is in pretty close to level
flight that might be a good indication that my weight is a little too far
aft. any thoughts or advice? I know losing 20 pounds could help but I doubt that'll
happen. the winds are again forecast 10 to 25 from the southwest today
and they're already over 20. that's pushing my comfort zone for test flights with
only one rough runway along a barbed wire fence. but hey the crank didn't
snap yet! Raymond
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To Chuck
Do not archive
Jack Textor
Sent from my iPhone
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Subject: | Re: trimming adjustments |
Raymond,
Good to hear that you've managed to get airborne. But, if the weather isn't right
(and by "right", I mean dead calm), then it just isn't the right time to be
doing test flights. I think you'll need to keep your enthusiasm in check, and
use intellect, rather than emotions to decide whether conditions are right for
flying. Just ask Douwe, if you need a second opinion.
As for your W&B, you mention that you did the calculations as best you could to
calculate the empty CG, but did you actually do proper W&B measurements with
the finished plane? The way you wrote it, it sounds as though you haven't. Hopefully
that's just a misinterpretation.
Bill C.
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Subject: | Re: trimming adjustments |
well yes as usual I probably didn't explain the W&B calc right. as many experimentals
go- this one has a stretched fuselage as well as a few other things like
I removed the nose tank and installed a tank in the center section of the wing.both
of which make the measurements from plans in-correct. what I did was
measure from my belly button for distance ( I believe that's a Tony Bingelus idea?)
and measure the fuel tank center in flight attitude and use that along with
all true measurements for wheels,wing position etc. and triple checked all
calculations. that is how I arrived at the battery location to bring it within
the limits. -the FAA examiner was satisfied with them and it did fly reasonable
well. but since the first test indicated that I need a fair amount of forward
stick pressure to maintain level flight. not extreme- but a little more than
I'd like, I'm trying to come up with the best and safest way to bring it in.
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=336173#336173
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Subject: | Re: trimming adjustments |
One thought is to get a couple of helpers to do the W&B for you, while
you sit in the airplane in the flying attitude. That way, if your
belly button is more distant from your own center of gravity or not
out quite enough (the W&B equivalent of an innie and and an outie),
you will get a better measure of the true center of gravity for the
airplane.
On Tue, Apr 5, 2011 at 9:34 AM, skellytown flyer <skellflyer1@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> well yes as usual I probably didn't explain the W&B calc right. as many experimentals
go- this one has a stretched fuselage as well as a few other things like
I removed the nose tank and installed a tank in the center section of the
wing.both of which make the measurements from plans in-correct. what I did was
measure from my belly button for distance ( I believe that's a Tony Bingelus
idea?) and measure the fuel tank center in flight attitude and use that along
with all true measurements for wheels,wing position etc. and triple checked all
calculations. that is how I arrived at the battery location to bring it within
the limits. -the FAA examiner was satisfied with them and it did fly reasonable
well. but since the first test indicated that I need a fair amount of forward
stick pressure to maintain level flight. not extreme- but a little more than
I'd like, I'm trying to come up with the best and safest way to bring it in.
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=336173#336173
>
>
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Subject: | Re: Corvair Powered Piets |
--- On Sun, 4/3/11, Ben Charvet <bencharvet@gmail.com> wrote:
From: Ben Charvet <bencharvet@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Corvair Powered Piets
=0A=0A =0A=0A =0A It seems that at a time like this, when 3 of our bro
thers have lost=0A their airplanes in such a tragic manner we could put
aside all this=0A Corvair trashing.=C2- These guys spent an average of
6 years each=0A building their airplanes, and now face the unpleasant t
ask of=0A rebuilding.=C2- They mentioned the Corvair bashing when I sp
oke with=0A them last Thursday night, and I tried to backpedal it, sayin
g it was=0A mostly tongue in cheek.=C2- However as it continues it mak
es me want to=0A sign off of the list for a while, since I no longer nee
d the support=0A and my Continental powered Piet is still flying well an
d is safely=0A at home.=C2- But for the grace of God it would have bee
n wrapped in the=0A same ball as the three Corvair Piets.
=0A
=0A The purpose of this list is to give positive support to each other
=0A not to belittle the efforts of others, especially when some of those
=0A Corvair Piets had more miles/hours in the last year than nearly=0A
anyone else on the list.
=0A
=0A Think about it....
=0A
=0A Ben Charvet
=0A Titusville, Fl
=0A
=0A On 4/3/2011 11:13 AM, Jack Phillips wrote:=0A =0A =0A
=0A=0A=0A =0A=0A=0A =0A=0A=0A =0A=0A=0A =0A
=0A =0A=0A=0A =0A Ju
st like fungus =0A =C2- =0A =0A
=0A =0A =0A
From:=0A owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.
com=0A [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics
.com]=0A On Behalf Of=0A Gb
oothe5
=0A Sent:=0A Sunday, April 03
, 2011 10:50=0A AM
=0A To:=0A pietenpol-list@mat
ronics.com
=0A Subject:=0A RE: Pietenpol
-List:=0A Corvair Powered Piets =0A
=0A =C2- =0A Yes,=0A
and they will=0A go forth, multiply, and return
=0A =C2- =0A =0AGary =0A
Do=0A not archive =0A =C2- =0A
=0A =0A From:=0A
owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com=0A
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com]=0A
On Behalf=0A Of Kip and Beth Gar
dner
=0A Sent:=0A Sunday, Apri
l 03, 2011 6:38=0A AM
=0A To:=0A pietenpol-list
@matronics.com
=0A Subject:=0A Re: Piete
npol-List:=0A Corvair Powered Piets =0A
=0A =0A =C2- =0A Act
ually they=0A technically weren't 'knocked out of the
sky" -=0A their=0A inherent relia
bility just led to the unfortunate=0A situation of hav
ing them on=0A the ground in the wrong place & time.
=0A =0A =C2- =0A =0A
=0A Kip=0A Gardner =0A =0A
=0A =C2- =0A =0A
=0A Do not=0A archive =0A
=0A =0A =C2- =0A
=0A =0A On=0A
Apr 3, 2011, at 8:00 AM, Jack Phillips=0A
wrote: =0A =0A =C2- =0A
=0A =0A And I=0A
couldn=99t afford to fly mine=0A
there this year (had it there last year)=0A
what with gas prices being what they=0A
are.=C2- I hope to fly it to Brodhead and=C2-=0A Oshkosh=C2
-this=0A summer, but might bring the RV-4=0A
since it costs about half as much to fly=0A
as the Pietenpol. =0A =0A
=0A =C2- =0A
=0A =0A So with=0A
one fell swoop, about a third of=0A
the flying Corvair powered Pietenpols were=0A
knocked out of the sky. =0A =0A
=0A =C2- =0A =0A
=0A Jack=0A
Phillips =0A =0A =0A
NX899JP=C2-=0A =9C
Icarus Plummet=9D =0A =0A
=0A =0ARaleigh,=0A NC =0A =0A
=0A =C2- =0A
=0A =0A =0A
=0A =0A =0A
From:=C2-owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.
com=0A [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@m
atronics.com]=C2-On=0A Behalf Of=C2-
Ben=0A Charvet
=0A Sent:=C2-Saturday,=0A
April 02, 2011 9:28 PM
=0A To:=C2-pietenpol-list@matronics.com
=0A Subject:=C2-Re:=0A
Pietenpol-List: Corvair Powered=0A
Piets =0A =0A =0A
=0A =C2- =0A =0A
=0A I=0A
was half way there when I hit a solid=0A
cloud layer (Cont A-65) and turned around=0A
for home.=C2- I proceeded on to SNF=0A by ca
r, and with the forecast decided not=0A to try
again.=C2- The 3 Piets that=0A made it ther
e came in over the weekend=0A before the weath
er turned to crap.=C2-=0A I stopped by to se
e them Thurs night after=0A the storm and they
were all in=0A pretty good spirits all things
=0A considered.=C2- Meanwhile I consider mys
elf=0A to=0A be o
ne of the luckiest Piet owner/builders=0A aliv
e.=C2- Hopefully there will be=0A at least o
ne Continental Piet there next=0A year (mine)
=0A
=0A
=0A Ben Charvet
=0A Titusville ,=0A
Fl
=0A
=0A On 4/2/2011 8:34 PM, Gary Boothe wrote:
=0A =0A =0A
=0A =0A =0A
OK...I=99ll ask=0A
the obvious question: =0A =0A
=0A =0A =0A
=C2- =0A =0A
=0A =0A
=0A Were Corvair=0A
powered Piets the only Piets=0A
to make it to Sun =98n Fun?=0A
Hmmmm.................. =0A =0A
=0A =0A
=0A =C2- =0A =0A
=0A =0A
=0A =0AGary =0A
=0A =0A =0A
=0A Do not archive =0A
=0A =0A
=0A =0A =C2- =0A
=C2- =0A =C2- =0A
=0A
=0A
=0A
=0A =0A =0A
-- =0A Ben Charvet, PharmD =0A
Staff Pharmacist =0A Parrish Medical center
=0A =C2- =0A =C2- =0A
http://www.matronics.com/contribution =0A
=C2- =0A =C2- =0A =C2-
=0A href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenp
ol-List" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">http://www.mat
ronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List =0A blue; text-dec
oration: underline; ">http://forums.matronics.com =0A
style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">http://www.matronics.co
m/contribution =0A =C2- =0A =0A
=C2- =0A =0A =C2
- =0A =0A =C2- =0A =C2
- =0A =C2- =0A http://www.matronics.com/
Navigator?Pietenpol-List =0A =C2- =0A http
://forums.matronics.com =0A =C2- =0A http:
//www.matronics.com/contribution =0A =C2- =0A
=C2- =0A =C2- =0A =C2- =0A
=0A =0A =0A http:
//www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List =0A =0A
=0A http://forums.matronics.com =0A
=0A =0A http://www.matronics.com/contributio
n =0A =C2- =0A =0A
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=0A --
Ben Charvet, PharmD
Staff Pharmacist
Parrish Medical center
=0A =0A=0A=0A
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I have had problems the last few days so went through the exercise of
rejoining the list. Someone please answer this so I will know I'm back
on board. Chuck
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Welcome aboard! Again!!
Sent from my iPhone
On Apr 5, 2011, at 2:09 PM, "Charles Campbell" <cncampbell@windstream.net> w
rote:
> I have had problems the last few days so went through the exercise of rejo
ining the list. Someone please answer this so I will know I'm back on board
. Chuck
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welcome back Chuck=2C I hope the problems are the kind that are easily sol
ved. Vic 414MV going to fabric. 3hrs on engine
From: cncampbell@windstream.net
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Problems
I have had problems the last few days so went through the exercise of rejoi
ning the list. Someone please answer this so I will know I'm back on board
. Chuck
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Subject: | yes Chuck Campbell, you are back on the Pietenpol list |
Your message below came thru below just fine. Welcome back.
Mike C.
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-lis
t-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Charles Campbell
Sent: Tuesday, April 05, 2011 2:09 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Problems
I have had problems the last few days so went through the exercise of rejoi
ning the list. Someone please answer this so I will know I'm back on board
. Chuck
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Chuck, welcome back. Cheers, Ken
Do Not Archive
On Tue, Apr 5, 2011 at 12:09 PM, Charles Campbell
<cncampbell@windstream.net> wrote:
> I have had problems the last few days so went through the exercise of
> rejoining the list. Someone please answer this so I will know I'm back on
> board. Chuck
>
>
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Chuck,
Read you 5 X 5...
-----Original Message-----
From: Charles Campbell
Sent: Apr 5, 2011 1:09 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Problems
I have had problems the last few days so went
through the exercise of rejoining the list. Someone please answer this so
I will know I'm back on board. Chuck
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Your back:):):)
In a message dated 4/5/2011 1:12:01 P.M. Central Daylight Time,
cncampbell@windstream.net writes:
I have had problems the last few days so went through the exercise of
rejoining the list. Someone please answer this so I will know I'm back on
board. Chuck
(http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List)
(http://www.matronics.com/contribution)
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Chuck:
Reading you 10 by 10 here in McPherson, KS.
Stinemetze
>>> "Charles Campbell" <cncampbell@windstream.net> 4/5/2011 1:09 PM >>>
I have had problems the last few days so went through the exercise of
rejoining the list. Someone please answer this so I will know I'm back on
board. Chuck
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Chuck,
Welcome back, we missed you!
Curt Merdan
Flower Mound, TX
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Thanks to all who answered my plea. I surely is nice to get Piet list
E-mails again. Do not archive. Chuck
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Subject: | "Historical reference only" |
All the damage in Florida and not one "snapped crank". Go Figure!
Barry Davis
N973BP
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rick Holland
Sent: Monday, April 04, 2011 10:34 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: "Historical reference only"
Hey Guys
Did you know that since our Piet plans have not been "modernized" for safety
and certification standards our Pietenpols are hereby grounded and for
"historical reference only"?
>From the latest March 31 EAA Hotline article:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
CORBEN SUPER ACE PLANS AVAILABLE FOR PURCHASE
Ace Aircraft Inc. announced it is now selling reproductions of the original
Corben Super Ace plans from 1935. As these 1935 plans have not been
modernized for current aviation safety and certification standards, these
plans are intended for "historical reference purposes only."
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
I am very sorry to inform you that since our Piet plans are dated 1934 and
are not modernized they must be surrendered immediately to your nearest FAA
district office. However if your Piet has been "modernized" with a
"relatively modern" Corvair engine (compared to an ancient 1939 vintage A65)
you may disregard this notice.
Have a nice day.
--
Rick Holland
Castle Rock, Colorado
"Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers, that smell bad"
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Subject: | Re: trimming adjustments |
Raymond
Congratulations on getting your plane finished. Send us a picture so we can see
how it turned out.
You are correct that an aft CG will cause you to use more forward stick but so
will a tail plane out of trim. Did you actually weigh the finished plane on scales
and then use that information to find the center of gravity? This is the
only true way to find the planes CG. If not then don't fly the plane until
you do. Others on this list can walk you through the process better than I could.
If your CG measurements are correct where is you CG in regards to the published
limits? Is it near (or past) the aft CG limit?
If your CG is near the center of the CG envelope then I wouldn't adjust it. It
would then appear to be aerodynamic problems that might be solved by adjusting
the horizontal stabilizer.
Secondly, wait until the wind dies down. You can't do any stability testing if
your being blown around. I know it's hard but play it safe.
Chris
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Chris
Sacramento, CA
WestCoastPiet.com
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Gentlemen: (with appologies to you two NASA guys)
There is a right way and a wrong way to do preparation for flight testing.
Luckily NASA has produced a video showing the proper way to get it done.
The bad news is, it takes a lot of manpower. The good news is, most of
that manpower is used just standing around and watching. I can do that!
Enjoy,
Stinemetze
http://www.youtube.com/watch_popup?v=KZrFC988Thc
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Subject: | Re: Flight Testing |
A pity we won't be seeing that happening any more - I've spent more
than half my life watching the shuttles lift off, but never got to see
it live. Backing away from a real commitment to manned space
exploration was one of the biggest policy mistakes this country ever
made.
Do not archive.
Kip Gardner
On Apr 5, 2011, at 5:08 PM, TOM STINEMETZE wrote:
> Gentlemen: (with appologies to you two NASA guys)
>
> There is a right way and a wrong way to do preparation for flight
> testing. Luckily NASA has produced a video showing the proper way
> to get it done. The bad news is, it takes a lot of manpower. The
> good news is, most of that manpower is used just standing around and
> watching. I can do that!
>
> Enjoy,
> Stinemetze
> http://www.youtube.com/watch_popup?v=KZrFC988Thc
>
>
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Subject: | Re: Flight Testing |
Kip
I totally agree. I am a Nasa nut. I was in my little Luscombe 8A at about 10,500
when Armstrong, Aldrin and Collins left the Cape in Apollo 11 the morning
of July 16, 1969. It is a real memory.
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Jerry Dotson
59 Daniel Johnson Rd
Baker, FL 32531
Started building NX510JD July, 2009
wing, tailfeathers done, fuselage rolling
using Lycoming O-235
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Subject: | ACS starter solenoid question |
If anybody out there has a starter solenoid form Aircraft Spruce, can you
answer this question?
The solenoid has two small terminals on the front, in addition to the large
bat terminal and starter teminal on the sides.
One of the small front terminals goes through the starter switch to power
and the other small terminal is ground.
I can't figure out which is which. Most diagrams I see show only one
terminal, the few that show two have the right one to the starter button and
the left being ground, but I thought I'd see if anybody has one in use and
could just tell me.
Thanks
Douwe
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Subject: | "Historical reference only" |
So far Randy Bush has been the only one who has managed to snap his crank
while on the ground.
A snapped crank or two would have been far preferable (assuming the ensuing
forced landings were uneventful) to the carnage at SNF.
There have been some discussions on the list about tie-downs. Barry, do you
know what types of tie-downs the Piets there were using? I expect it
doesn't matter what tie-down you have if a tornado hits your airplane.
Do Not Archive
Jack Phillips
NX899JP "Icarus Plummet"
Raleigh, NC
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Barry Davis
Sent: Tuesday, April 05, 2011 3:53 PM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: "Historical reference only"
All the damage in Florida and not one "snapped crank". Go Figure!
Barry Davis
N973BP
_____
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rick Holland
Sent: Monday, April 04, 2011 10:34 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: "Historical reference only"
Hey Guys
Did you know that since our Piet plans have not been "modernized" for safety
and certification standards our Pietenpols are hereby grounded and for
"historical reference only"?
>From the latest March 31 EAA Hotline article:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
CORBEN SUPER ACE PLANS AVAILABLE FOR PURCHASE
Ace Aircraft Inc. announced it is now selling reproductions of the original
Corben Super Ace plans from 1935. As these 1935 plans have not been
modernized for current aviation safety and certification standards, these
plans are intended for "historical reference purposes only."
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
I am very sorry to inform you that since our Piet plans are dated 1934 and
are not modernized they must be surrendered immediately to your nearest FAA
district office. However if your Piet has been "modernized" with a
"relatively modern" Corvair engine (compared to an ancient 1939 vintage A65)
you may disregard this notice.
Have a nice day.
--
Rick Holland
Castle Rock, Colorado
"Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers, that smell bad"
href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List">http://www.matronic
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Subject: | Re: Flight Testing |
Kip,
Amen bro..................do not archive
-----Original Message-----
From: Kip and Beth Gardner <kipandbeth@earthlink.net>
Sent: Tue, Apr 5, 2011 4:35 pm
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Flight Testing
A pity we won't be seeing that happening any more - I've spent more
than half my life watching the shuttles lift off, but never got to see
it live. Backing away from a real commitment to manned space
exploration was one of the biggest policy mistakes this country ever
made.
Do not archive.
Kip Gardner
On Apr 5, 2011, at 5:08 PM, TOM STINEMETZE wrote:
Gentlemen: (with appologies to you two NASA guys)
There is a right way and a wrong way to do preparation for flight
testing. Luckily NASA has produced a video showing the proper way to
get it done. The bad news is, it takes a lot of manpower. The good
news is, most of that manpower is used just standing around and
watching. I can do that!
Enjoy,
Stinemetze
http://www.youtube.com/watch_popup?v=KZrFC988Thc
href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List">http://www.matro
nics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List
href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com
href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/con
tribution
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Subject: | Re: ACS starter solenoid question |
Just a guess but you could probably see if either of them is connected
to the case with an ohm meter. If neither of them is connected to the
case it probably doesn't matter. You are just energizing an electro magnet.
Dave
On 4/5/2011 8:07 PM, Douwe Blumberg wrote:
>
> If anybody out there has a starter solenoid form Aircraft Spruce, can
> you answer this question?
>
> The solenoid has two small terminals on the front, in addition to the
> large bat terminal and starter teminal on the sides.
>
> One of the small front terminals goes through the starter switch to
> power and the other small terminal is ground.
>
> I can't figure out which is which. Most diagrams I see show only one
> terminal, the few that show two have the right one to the starter
> button and the left being ground, but I thought I'd see if anybody has
> one in use and could just tell me.
>
> Thanks
>
> Douwe
>
>
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Subject: | Re: ACS starter solenoid question |
Douwe,
Look close and see "S" and the other "I". The "S" terminal is the start and the
"I" goes "HOT" only while cranking.
--------
Jerry Dotson
59 Daniel Johnson Rd
Baker, FL 32531
Started building NX510JD July, 2009
wing, tailfeathers done, fuselage rolling
using Lycoming O-235
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Subject: | Project for sale |
Members of the list:
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I have a gentleman-at our airport-who approached me asking if I could l
ist his pietenpol project for sale. It appears the airport commission has t
old him if the plane is not flyable he must give up his hanger spot. Never
knew he was building a pietenpol!
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The plane is a long fuse type, very good workmanship. You can contact me fo
r more information and I can read you a list of everything that comes with
the project. He has set his asking price-at $2,500.00 including engine.
-
KMHeide
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Subject: | Re: Project for sale |
I'd like to know more. Where is the project located?
Mike McGowan
573-228-5400
shadetree@socket.net
----- Original Message -----
From: KM Heide CPO/FAAOP
To: Pietenpol
Sent: Tuesday, April 05, 2011 8:26 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Project for sale
Members of the list:
I have a gentleman at our airport who approached me asking if I
could list his pietenpol project for sale. It appears the airport
commission has told him if the plane is not flyable he must give up his
hanger spot. Never knew he was building a pietenpol!
The plane is a long fuse type, very good workmanship. You can
contact me for more information and I can read you a list of everything
that comes with the project. He has set his asking price at $2,500.00
including engine.
KMHeide
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Subject: | Re: Project for sale |
Project is near Fargo, ND.
Made from sitka spruce and T-88.
Includes a complete Corvair engine.
tail lumber and ribs included.
all okoume plywood
all control metal from Aircraft Spruce and Specialities
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KMHeide
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--- On Tue, 4/5/11, Michael McGowan <shadetree@socket.net> wrote:
From: Michael McGowan <shadetree@socket.net>
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Project for sale
I'd like to know more. Where is the project located?
-
Mike McGowan
573-228-5400
shadetree@socket.net
----- Original Message -----
From: KM Heide CPO/FAAOP
Sent: Tuesday, April 05, 2011 8:26 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Project for sale
Members of the list:
-
I have a gentleman-at our airport-who approached me asking if I could l
ist his pietenpol project for sale. It appears the airport commission has t
old him if the plane is not flyable he must give up his hanger spot. Never
knew he was building a pietenpol!
-
The plane is a long fuse type, very good workmanship. You can contact me fo
r more information and I can read you a list of everything that comes with
the project. He has set his asking price-at $2,500.00 including engine.
-
KMHeide
-
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nics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List
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