---------------------------------------------------------- Pietenpol-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Tue 04/05/11: 31 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 02:45 AM - Re: Re: Re: Piet as Art (Jack) 2. 04:44 AM - Steve's pics (Douwe Blumberg) 3. 06:40 AM - trimming adjustments (skellytown flyer) 4. 07:41 AM - Test (Jack) 5. 08:16 AM - Re: trimming adjustments (Bill Church) 6. 08:37 AM - Re: trimming adjustments (skellytown flyer) 7. 09:02 AM - Re: Re: trimming adjustments (Ken Bickers) 8. 10:17 AM - Re: Corvair Powered Piets (airlion) 9. 11:11 AM - Problems (Charles Campbell) 10. 11:21 AM - Re: Problems (Matthew VanDervort) 11. 11:22 AM - Re: Problems (V Groah) 12. 11:22 AM - yes Chuck Campbell, you are back on the Pietenpol list (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC AEROSPACE CORP]) 13. 11:22 AM - Re: Problems (Ken Bickers) 14. 11:22 AM - Re: Problems (John Franklin) 15. 11:24 AM - Re: Problems (Pietn38b@aol.com) 16. 11:24 AM - Re: Problems (TOM STINEMETZE) 17. 11:35 AM - Re: Problems (Piet2112) 18. 11:49 AM - Thanks (Charles Campbell) 19. 12:56 PM - Re: "Historical reference only" (Barry Davis) 20. 01:32 PM - Re: trimming adjustments (Catdesigns) 21. 02:11 PM - Flight Testing (TOM STINEMETZE) 22. 02:35 PM - Re: Flight Testing (Kip and Beth Gardner) 23. 04:52 PM - Re: Flight Testing (Jerry Dotson) 24. 05:06 PM - ACS starter solenoid question (Douwe Blumberg) 25. 05:35 PM - Re: "Historical reference only" (Jack Phillips) 26. 05:38 PM - Re: Flight Testing (helspersew@aol.com) 27. 05:45 PM - Re: ACS starter solenoid question (Dave and Connie) 28. 06:11 PM - Re: ACS starter solenoid question (Jerry Dotson) 29. 06:34 PM - Project for sale (KM Heide CPO/FAAOP) 30. 06:55 PM - Re: Project for sale (Michael McGowan) 31. 07:43 PM - Re: Project for sale (KM Heide CPO/FAAOP) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 02:45:05 AM PST US From: "Jack" Subject: RE: Re: Re: Pietenpol-List: Piet as Art Really cool, I hope to make the trip some day with a completed Piet. Thanks, Jack DSM Do not archive -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Steve Ruse Sent: Monday, April 04, 2011 11:14 PM Subject: Re: Re: Pietenpol-List: Piet as Art I'm not sure Jack, wish I knew. My best guess is that it was some kind of pumping unit. The brown mess up front was an engine and there was a driveshaft going towards the back. The structural timbers were huge. The steel was so corroded from the salts that it was soft...rusted all the way through, even pieces still near 1" thick were just a mass of soft rust. Almost gone entirely. It was really interesting...wish I knew what it was. Somebody paid a lot of money and did a lot of work to get it out there...now it is almost gone. From the construction (steel engine, large timbers, etc.) I'd guess it was made between 1910 and 1940. Clyde Cessna did his early flights on those salt flats. The local bankers didn't want to back him so he went to Wichita instead, undoubtedly changing what might have been. I saw multiple old, old bottles...including a brown glass clorox bleach bottle. How long has it been since clorox came in brown glass bottles? Steve Ruse Norman, OK -------------------------------------------------- From: "Jack" Sent: Monday, April 04, 2011 7:39 PM Subject: RE: Re: Pietenpol-List: Piet as Art > > Nice shots Steve, what are the "rotted out parts" you were parked next to? > Jack > DSM > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Steve Ruse > Sent: Monday, April 04, 2011 12:24 PM > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Piet as Art > > > > It is a shame to cover all of the hard work that goes into a Piet. > I'm often popping an inspection cover off my wing to show curious > observers the work inside. > > But, covering a Piet allows you to do this (pictures from my weekend): > > http://www.wotelectronics.com/flying/salt/DSC_0581.JPG > http://www.wotelectronics.com/flying/salt/DSC_0579.JPG > http://www.wotelectronics.com/flying/salt/DSC_0619.JPG > http://www.wotelectronics.com/flying/salt/DSC_0642.JPG > http://www.wotelectronics.com/flying/salt/DSC_0566.JPG > http://www.wotelectronics.com/flying/salt/DSC_0533.JPG > http://www.wotelectronics.com/flying/salt/DSC_0489.JPG > http://www.wotelectronics.com/flying/salt/DSC_0647.JPG > http://www.wotelectronics.com/flying/salt/DSC_0658.JPG > http://www.wotelectronics.com/flying/salt/DSC_0672.JPG > > Steve Ruse > Norman, OK > > Quoting Frank Metcalfe : > >> There is no doubt about it, looking at a naked Piet is absolutely >> art work. In some ways better than one with the cover on..There were >> times I did not want to cover it. Keep up the great work and take a >> lot of pictures. Hopefully you won't have to see her naked again >> once she gets dressed !! --- On Sun, 4/3/11, cjborsuk >> wrote: >> >> >> From: cjborsuk >> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Piet as Art >> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com >> Date: Sunday, April 3, 2011, 10:31 AM >> >> >> >> Working on my wing. Just finished putting on the leading and >> trailing edges and the wing tips, so I put it all together to see >> how it looks. Exciting stuff!! It looks so much like a piece of art, >> I decided to turn it into art. Well, to be honest, whoever said it >> wasn't art already?? I hope you enjoy. >> >> Chuck in Raleigh >> >> >> >> >> Read this topic online here: >> >> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=335928#335928 >> >> >> >> >> Attachments: >> >> http://forums.matronics.com//files/small_yellow_wing_4_2_11_013_869.jpg >> http://forums.matronics.com//files/small_wing_4_2_11_053_996.jpg >> http://forums.matronics.com//files/small_wing_4_2_11_035_239.jpg >> http://forums.matronics.com//files/small_wing_4_2_11_030_315.jpg >> http://forums.matronics.com//files/small_wing_4_2_11_002_201.jpg >> >> >> >> >> t >> S WEB FORUMS - >> on Web Site - >> -Matt Dralle, List Admin. >> >> >> >> > > > ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 04:44:58 AM PST US From: "Douwe Blumberg" Subject: Pietenpol-List: Steve's pics Thanks Steve for those gorgeous photos!! Things like that are truly a "shot in the arm" during the long, dark, cold winter days of rebuilding. Helps with the daydreams. Douwe ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 06:40:17 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: trimming adjustments From: "skellytown flyer" Well, the spring here in the Texas panhandle is not the best time for test flights but it is where I'm at. I have one short flight on the GN-1 I got from D.J. as a project. and it flew pretty well. I hesitate to change anything till I get at least one longer flight in fairly calm conditions.the first one was more to prove to myself that the plane is going to be manageable in flight and I can get it on the ground safely. considering that it went well- I needed to hold some forward stick to maintain level flight and left wing a little heavy but not bad. what I'm wondering is-though I did the best I could at using the dimensions of the fuselage/seat positions, fuel tank centerline. etc. to calculate the empty C/G. and the wing is set at a higher angle of attack to help the aircraft fly at a more level attitude. I think DJ did a good job there- I first was thinking that I should raise the front of the horizontal stabilizer some to help it be more neutral. I am wondering if it might be more useful to move the battery forward some.it is behind the rear seat now since that is where I needed it to go to get the figures to come out right. but since the the stabilizer is flat with the fuselage longerons-if the plane is in pretty close to level flight that might be a good indication that my weight is a little too far aft. any thoughts or advice? I know losing 20 pounds could help but I doubt that'll happen. the winds are again forecast 10 to 25 from the southwest today and they're already over 20. that's pushing my comfort zone for test flights with only one rough runway along a barbed wire fence. but hey the crank didn't snap yet! Raymond Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=336160#336160 ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 07:41:39 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Test From: Jack To Chuck Do not archive Jack Textor Sent from my iPhone ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 08:16:40 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: trimming adjustments From: "Bill Church" Raymond, Good to hear that you've managed to get airborne. But, if the weather isn't right (and by "right", I mean dead calm), then it just isn't the right time to be doing test flights. I think you'll need to keep your enthusiasm in check, and use intellect, rather than emotions to decide whether conditions are right for flying. Just ask Douwe, if you need a second opinion. As for your W&B, you mention that you did the calculations as best you could to calculate the empty CG, but did you actually do proper W&B measurements with the finished plane? The way you wrote it, it sounds as though you haven't. Hopefully that's just a misinterpretation. Bill C. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=336170#336170 ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 08:37:25 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: trimming adjustments From: "skellytown flyer" well yes as usual I probably didn't explain the W&B calc right. as many experimentals go- this one has a stretched fuselage as well as a few other things like I removed the nose tank and installed a tank in the center section of the wing.both of which make the measurements from plans in-correct. what I did was measure from my belly button for distance ( I believe that's a Tony Bingelus idea?) and measure the fuel tank center in flight attitude and use that along with all true measurements for wheels,wing position etc. and triple checked all calculations. that is how I arrived at the battery location to bring it within the limits. -the FAA examiner was satisfied with them and it did fly reasonable well. but since the first test indicated that I need a fair amount of forward stick pressure to maintain level flight. not extreme- but a little more than I'd like, I'm trying to come up with the best and safest way to bring it in. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=336173#336173 ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 09:02:09 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: trimming adjustments From: Ken Bickers One thought is to get a couple of helpers to do the W&B for you, while you sit in the airplane in the flying attitude. That way, if your belly button is more distant from your own center of gravity or not out quite enough (the W&B equivalent of an innie and and an outie), you will get a better measure of the true center of gravity for the airplane. On Tue, Apr 5, 2011 at 9:34 AM, skellytown flyer wrote: > > well yes as usual I probably didn't explain the W&B calc right. as many experimentals go- this one has a stretched fuselage as well as a few other things like I removed the nose tank and installed a tank in the center section of the wing.both of which make the measurements from plans in-correct. what I did was measure from my belly button for distance ( I believe that's a Tony Bingelus idea?) and measure the fuel tank center in flight attitude and use that along with all true measurements for wheels,wing position etc. and triple checked all calculations. that is how I arrived at the battery location to bring it within the limits. -the FAA examiner was satisfied with them and it did fly reasonable well. but since the first test indicated that I need a fair amount of forward stick pressure to maintain level flight. not extreme- but a little more than I'd like, I'm trying to come up with the best and safest way to bring it in. > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=336173#336173 > > ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 10:17:09 AM PST US From: airlion Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Corvair Powered Piets --- On Sun, 4/3/11, Ben Charvet wrote: From: Ben Charvet Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Corvair Powered Piets =0A=0A =0A=0A =0A It seems that at a time like this, when 3 of our bro thers have lost=0A their airplanes in such a tragic manner we could put aside all this=0A Corvair trashing.=C2- These guys spent an average of 6 years each=0A building their airplanes, and now face the unpleasant t ask of=0A rebuilding.=C2- They mentioned the Corvair bashing when I sp oke with=0A them last Thursday night, and I tried to backpedal it, sayin g it was=0A mostly tongue in cheek.=C2- However as it continues it mak es me want to=0A sign off of the list for a while, since I no longer nee d the support=0A and my Continental powered Piet is still flying well an d is safely=0A at home.=C2- But for the grace of God it would have bee n wrapped in the=0A same ball as the three Corvair Piets. =0A =0A The purpose of this list is to give positive support to each other =0A not to belittle the efforts of others, especially when some of those =0A Corvair Piets had more miles/hours in the last year than nearly=0A anyone else on the list. =0A =0A Think about it.... =0A =0A Ben Charvet =0A Titusville, Fl =0A =0A On 4/3/2011 11:13 AM, Jack Phillips wrote:=0A =0A =0A =0A=0A=0A =0A=0A=0A =0A=0A=0A =0A=0A=0A =0A =0A =0A=0A=0A =0A Ju st like fungus =0A =C2- =0A =0A =0A =0A =0A From:=0A owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics. com=0A [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics .com]=0A On Behalf Of=0A Gb oothe5 =0A Sent:=0A Sunday, April 03 , 2011 10:50=0A AM =0A To:=0A pietenpol-list@mat ronics.com =0A Subject:=0A RE: Pietenpol -List:=0A Corvair Powered Piets =0A =0A =C2- =0A Yes,=0A and they will=0A go forth, multiply, and return =0A =C2- =0A =0AGary =0A Do=0A not archive =0A =C2- =0A =0A =0A From:=0A owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com=0A [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com]=0A On Behalf=0A Of Kip and Beth Gar dner =0A Sent:=0A Sunday, Apri l 03, 2011 6:38=0A AM =0A To:=0A pietenpol-list @matronics.com =0A Subject:=0A Re: Piete npol-List:=0A Corvair Powered Piets =0A =0A =0A =C2- =0A Act ually they=0A technically weren't 'knocked out of the sky" -=0A their=0A inherent relia bility just led to the unfortunate=0A situation of hav ing them on=0A the ground in the wrong place & time. =0A =0A =C2- =0A =0A =0A Kip=0A Gardner =0A =0A =0A =C2- =0A =0A =0A Do not=0A archive =0A =0A =0A =C2- =0A =0A =0A On=0A Apr 3, 2011, at 8:00 AM, Jack Phillips=0A wrote: =0A =0A =C2- =0A =0A =0A And I=0A couldn=99t afford to fly mine=0A there this year (had it there last year)=0A what with gas prices being what they=0A are.=C2- I hope to fly it to Brodhead and=C2-=0A Oshkosh=C2 -this=0A summer, but might bring the RV-4=0A since it costs about half as much to fly=0A as the Pietenpol. =0A =0A =0A =C2- =0A =0A =0A So with=0A one fell swoop, about a third of=0A the flying Corvair powered Pietenpols were=0A knocked out of the sky. =0A =0A =0A =C2- =0A =0A =0A Jack=0A Phillips =0A =0A =0A NX899JP=C2-=0A =9C Icarus Plummet=9D =0A =0A =0A =0ARaleigh,=0A NC =0A =0A =0A =C2- =0A =0A =0A =0A =0A =0A =0A From:=C2-owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics. com=0A [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@m atronics.com]=C2-On=0A Behalf Of=C2- Ben=0A Charvet =0A Sent:=C2-Saturday,=0A April 02, 2011 9:28 PM =0A To:=C2-pietenpol-list@matronics.com =0A Subject:=C2-Re:=0A Pietenpol-List: Corvair Powered=0A Piets =0A =0A =0A =0A =C2- =0A =0A =0A I=0A was half way there when I hit a solid=0A cloud layer (Cont A-65) and turned around=0A for home.=C2- I proceeded on to SNF=0A by ca r, and with the forecast decided not=0A to try again.=C2- The 3 Piets that=0A made it ther e came in over the weekend=0A before the weath er turned to crap.=C2-=0A I stopped by to se e them Thurs night after=0A the storm and they were all in=0A pretty good spirits all things =0A considered.=C2- Meanwhile I consider mys elf=0A to=0A be o ne of the luckiest Piet owner/builders=0A aliv e.=C2- Hopefully there will be=0A at least o ne Continental Piet there next=0A year (mine) =0A =0A =0A Ben Charvet =0A Titusville ,=0A Fl =0A =0A On 4/2/2011 8:34 PM, Gary Boothe wrote: =0A =0A =0A =0A =0A =0A OK...I=99ll ask=0A the obvious question: =0A =0A =0A =0A =0A =C2- =0A =0A =0A =0A =0A Were Corvair=0A powered Piets the only Piets=0A to make it to Sun =98n Fun?=0A Hmmmm.................. =0A =0A =0A =0A =0A =C2- =0A =0A =0A =0A =0A =0AGary =0A =0A =0A =0A =0A Do not archive =0A =0A =0A =0A =0A =C2- =0A =C2- =0A =C2- =0A =0A =0A =0A =0A =0A =0A -- =0A Ben Charvet, PharmD =0A Staff Pharmacist =0A Parrish Medical center =0A =C2- =0A =C2- =0A http://www.matronics.com/contribution =0A =C2- =0A =C2- =0A =C2- =0A 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Problems I have had problems the last few days so went through the exercise of rejoining the list. Someone please answer this so I will know I'm back on board. Chuck ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 11:21:30 AM PST US From: Matthew VanDervort Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Problems Welcome aboard! Again!! Sent from my iPhone On Apr 5, 2011, at 2:09 PM, "Charles Campbell" w rote: > I have had problems the last few days so went through the exercise of rejo ining the list. Someone please answer this so I will know I'm back on board . Chuck > > ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= > ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 11:22:05 AM PST US From: V Groah Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Problems welcome back Chuck=2C I hope the problems are the kind that are easily sol ved. Vic 414MV going to fabric. 3hrs on engine From: cncampbell@windstream.net Subject: Pietenpol-List: Problems I have had problems the last few days so went through the exercise of rejoi ning the list. Someone please answer this so I will know I'm back on board . Chuck ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 11:22:06 AM PST US From: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC AEROSPACE CORP]" Subject: Pietenpol-List: yes Chuck Campbell, you are back on the Pietenpol list Your message below came thru below just fine. Welcome back. Mike C. From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-lis t-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Charles Campbell Sent: Tuesday, April 05, 2011 2:09 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Problems I have had problems the last few days so went through the exercise of rejoi ning the list. Someone please answer this so I will know I'm back on board . Chuck ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 11:22:51 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Problems From: Ken Bickers Chuck, welcome back. Cheers, Ken Do Not Archive On Tue, Apr 5, 2011 at 12:09 PM, Charles Campbell wrote: > I have had problems the last few days so went through the exercise of > rejoining the list. Someone please answer this so I will know I'm back on > board. Chuck > > ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 11:22:53 AM PST US From: John Franklin Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Problems Chuck, Read you 5 X 5... -----Original Message----- From: Charles Campbell Sent: Apr 5, 2011 1:09 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Problems I have had problems the last few days so went through the exercise of rejoining the list. Someone please answer this so I will know I'm back on board. Chuck ________________________________________ ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 11:24:22 AM PST US From: Pietn38b@aol.com Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Problems Your back:):):) In a message dated 4/5/2011 1:12:01 P.M. Central Daylight Time, cncampbell@windstream.net writes: I have had problems the last few days so went through the exercise of rejoining the list. Someone please answer this so I will know I'm back on board. Chuck (http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List) (http://www.matronics.com/contribution) ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 11:24:23 AM PST US From: "TOM STINEMETZE" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Problems Chuck: Reading you 10 by 10 here in McPherson, KS. Stinemetze >>> "Charles Campbell" 4/5/2011 1:09 PM >>> I have had problems the last few days so went through the exercise of rejoining the list. Someone please answer this so I will know I'm back on board. Chuck ============ ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 11:35:58 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Problems From: "Piet2112" Chuck, Welcome back, we missed you! Curt Merdan Flower Mound, TX Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=336194#336194 ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 11:49:12 AM PST US From: "Charles Campbell" Subject: Pietenpol-List: Thanks Thanks to all who answered my plea. I surely is nice to get Piet list E-mails again. Do not archive. Chuck ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 12:56:05 PM PST US From: "Barry Davis" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: "Historical reference only" All the damage in Florida and not one "snapped crank". Go Figure! Barry Davis N973BP _____ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rick Holland Sent: Monday, April 04, 2011 10:34 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: "Historical reference only" Hey Guys Did you know that since our Piet plans have not been "modernized" for safety and certification standards our Pietenpols are hereby grounded and for "historical reference only"? >From the latest March 31 EAA Hotline article: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> CORBEN SUPER ACE PLANS AVAILABLE FOR PURCHASE Ace Aircraft Inc. announced it is now selling reproductions of the original Corben Super Ace plans from 1935. As these 1935 plans have not been modernized for current aviation safety and certification standards, these plans are intended for "historical reference purposes only." >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I am very sorry to inform you that since our Piet plans are dated 1934 and are not modernized they must be surrendered immediately to your nearest FAA district office. However if your Piet has been "modernized" with a "relatively modern" Corvair engine (compared to an ancient 1939 vintage A65) you may disregard this notice. Have a nice day. -- Rick Holland Castle Rock, Colorado "Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers, that smell bad" ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 01:32:09 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: trimming adjustments From: "Catdesigns" Raymond Congratulations on getting your plane finished. Send us a picture so we can see how it turned out. You are correct that an aft CG will cause you to use more forward stick but so will a tail plane out of trim. Did you actually weigh the finished plane on scales and then use that information to find the center of gravity? This is the only true way to find the planes CG. If not then don't fly the plane until you do. Others on this list can walk you through the process better than I could. If your CG measurements are correct where is you CG in regards to the published limits? Is it near (or past) the aft CG limit? If your CG is near the center of the CG envelope then I wouldn't adjust it. It would then appear to be aerodynamic problems that might be solved by adjusting the horizontal stabilizer. Secondly, wait until the wind dies down. You can't do any stability testing if your being blown around. I know it's hard but play it safe. Chris -------- Chris Sacramento, CA WestCoastPiet.com Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=336207#336207 ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 02:11:19 PM PST US From: "TOM STINEMETZE" Subject: Pietenpol-List: Flight Testing Gentlemen: (with appologies to you two NASA guys) There is a right way and a wrong way to do preparation for flight testing. Luckily NASA has produced a video showing the proper way to get it done. The bad news is, it takes a lot of manpower. The good news is, most of that manpower is used just standing around and watching. I can do that! Enjoy, Stinemetze http://www.youtube.com/watch_popup?v=KZrFC988Thc ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 02:35:21 PM PST US From: Kip and Beth Gardner Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Flight Testing A pity we won't be seeing that happening any more - I've spent more than half my life watching the shuttles lift off, but never got to see it live. Backing away from a real commitment to manned space exploration was one of the biggest policy mistakes this country ever made. Do not archive. Kip Gardner On Apr 5, 2011, at 5:08 PM, TOM STINEMETZE wrote: > Gentlemen: (with appologies to you two NASA guys) > > There is a right way and a wrong way to do preparation for flight > testing. Luckily NASA has produced a video showing the proper way > to get it done. The bad news is, it takes a lot of manpower. The > good news is, most of that manpower is used just standing around and > watching. I can do that! > > Enjoy, > Stinemetze > http://www.youtube.com/watch_popup?v=KZrFC988Thc > > ________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ Time: 04:52:17 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Flight Testing From: "Jerry Dotson" Kip I totally agree. I am a Nasa nut. I was in my little Luscombe 8A at about 10,500 when Armstrong, Aldrin and Collins left the Cape in Apollo 11 the morning of July 16, 1969. It is a real memory. -------- Jerry Dotson 59 Daniel Johnson Rd Baker, FL 32531 Started building NX510JD July, 2009 wing, tailfeathers done, fuselage rolling using Lycoming O-235 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=336230#336230 ________________________________ Message 24 ____________________________________ Time: 05:06:42 PM PST US From: "Douwe Blumberg" Subject: Pietenpol-List: ACS starter solenoid question If anybody out there has a starter solenoid form Aircraft Spruce, can you answer this question? The solenoid has two small terminals on the front, in addition to the large bat terminal and starter teminal on the sides. One of the small front terminals goes through the starter switch to power and the other small terminal is ground. I can't figure out which is which. Most diagrams I see show only one terminal, the few that show two have the right one to the starter button and the left being ground, but I thought I'd see if anybody has one in use and could just tell me. Thanks Douwe ________________________________ Message 25 ____________________________________ Time: 05:35:57 PM PST US From: "Jack Phillips" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: "Historical reference only" So far Randy Bush has been the only one who has managed to snap his crank while on the ground. A snapped crank or two would have been far preferable (assuming the ensuing forced landings were uneventful) to the carnage at SNF. There have been some discussions on the list about tie-downs. Barry, do you know what types of tie-downs the Piets there were using? I expect it doesn't matter what tie-down you have if a tornado hits your airplane. Do Not Archive Jack Phillips NX899JP "Icarus Plummet" Raleigh, NC _____ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Barry Davis Sent: Tuesday, April 05, 2011 3:53 PM Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: "Historical reference only" All the damage in Florida and not one "snapped crank". Go Figure! Barry Davis N973BP _____ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rick Holland Sent: Monday, April 04, 2011 10:34 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: "Historical reference only" Hey Guys Did you know that since our Piet plans have not been "modernized" for safety and certification standards our Pietenpols are hereby grounded and for "historical reference only"? >From the latest March 31 EAA Hotline article: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> CORBEN SUPER ACE PLANS AVAILABLE FOR PURCHASE Ace Aircraft Inc. announced it is now selling reproductions of the original Corben Super Ace plans from 1935. As these 1935 plans have not been modernized for current aviation safety and certification standards, these plans are intended for "historical reference purposes only." >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I am very sorry to inform you that since our Piet plans are dated 1934 and are not modernized they must be surrendered immediately to your nearest FAA district office. However if your Piet has been "modernized" with a "relatively modern" Corvair engine (compared to an ancient 1939 vintage A65) you may disregard this notice. Have a nice day. -- Rick Holland Castle Rock, Colorado "Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers, that smell bad" href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List">http://www.matronic s.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c ________________________________ Message 26 ____________________________________ Time: 05:38:27 PM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Flight Testing From: helspersew@aol.com Kip, Amen bro..................do not archive -----Original Message----- From: Kip and Beth Gardner Sent: Tue, Apr 5, 2011 4:35 pm Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Flight Testing A pity we won't be seeing that happening any more - I've spent more than half my life watching the shuttles lift off, but never got to see it live. Backing away from a real commitment to manned space exploration was one of the biggest policy mistakes this country ever made. Do not archive. Kip Gardner On Apr 5, 2011, at 5:08 PM, TOM STINEMETZE wrote: Gentlemen: (with appologies to you two NASA guys) There is a right way and a wrong way to do preparation for flight testing. Luckily NASA has produced a video showing the proper way to get it done. The bad news is, it takes a lot of manpower. The good news is, most of that manpower is used just standing around and watching. I can do that! Enjoy, Stinemetze http://www.youtube.com/watch_popup?v=KZrFC988Thc href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List">http://www.matro nics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/con tribution ________________________________ Message 27 ____________________________________ Time: 05:45:54 PM PST US From: Dave and Connie Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: ACS starter solenoid question Just a guess but you could probably see if either of them is connected to the case with an ohm meter. If neither of them is connected to the case it probably doesn't matter. You are just energizing an electro magnet. Dave On 4/5/2011 8:07 PM, Douwe Blumberg wrote: > > If anybody out there has a starter solenoid form Aircraft Spruce, can > you answer this question? > > The solenoid has two small terminals on the front, in addition to the > large bat terminal and starter teminal on the sides. > > One of the small front terminals goes through the starter switch to > power and the other small terminal is ground. > > I can't figure out which is which. Most diagrams I see show only one > terminal, the few that show two have the right one to the starter > button and the left being ground, but I thought I'd see if anybody has > one in use and could just tell me. > > Thanks > > Douwe > > ________________________________ Message 28 ____________________________________ Time: 06:11:38 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: ACS starter solenoid question From: "Jerry Dotson" Douwe, Look close and see "S" and the other "I". The "S" terminal is the start and the "I" goes "HOT" only while cranking. -------- Jerry Dotson 59 Daniel Johnson Rd Baker, FL 32531 Started building NX510JD July, 2009 wing, tailfeathers done, fuselage rolling using Lycoming O-235 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=336239#336239 ________________________________ Message 29 ____________________________________ Time: 06:34:50 PM PST US From: KM Heide CPO/FAAOP Subject: Pietenpol-List: Project for sale Members of the list: - I have a gentleman-at our airport-who approached me asking if I could l ist his pietenpol project for sale. It appears the airport commission has t old him if the plane is not flyable he must give up his hanger spot. Never knew he was building a pietenpol! - The plane is a long fuse type, very good workmanship. You can contact me fo r more information and I can read you a list of everything that comes with the project. He has set his asking price-at $2,500.00 including engine. - KMHeide - ________________________________ Message 30 ____________________________________ Time: 06:55:18 PM PST US From: "Michael McGowan" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Project for sale I'd like to know more. Where is the project located? Mike McGowan 573-228-5400 shadetree@socket.net ----- Original Message ----- From: KM Heide CPO/FAAOP To: Pietenpol Sent: Tuesday, April 05, 2011 8:26 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Project for sale Members of the list: I have a gentleman at our airport who approached me asking if I could list his pietenpol project for sale. It appears the airport commission has told him if the plane is not flyable he must give up his hanger spot. Never knew he was building a pietenpol! The plane is a long fuse type, very good workmanship. You can contact me for more information and I can read you a list of everything that comes with the project. He has set his asking price at $2,500.00 including engine. KMHeide ________________________________ Message 31 ____________________________________ Time: 07:43:29 PM PST US From: KM Heide CPO/FAAOP Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Project for sale Project is near Fargo, ND. Made from sitka spruce and T-88. Includes a complete Corvair engine. tail lumber and ribs included. all okoume plywood all control metal from Aircraft Spruce and Specialities - KMHeide - --- On Tue, 4/5/11, Michael McGowan wrote: From: Michael McGowan Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Project for sale I'd like to know more. Where is the project located? - Mike McGowan 573-228-5400 shadetree@socket.net ----- Original Message ----- From: KM Heide CPO/FAAOP Sent: Tuesday, April 05, 2011 8:26 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Project for sale Members of the list: - I have a gentleman-at our airport-who approached me asking if I could l ist his pietenpol project for sale. It appears the airport commission has t old him if the plane is not flyable he must give up his hanger spot. Never knew he was building a pietenpol! - The plane is a long fuse type, very good workmanship. You can contact me fo r more information and I can read you a list of everything that comes with the project. 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