---------------------------------------------------------- Pietenpol-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Wed 04/06/11: 25 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 12:09 AM - View Questions, Fuselage Construction and so on.... (erkki67) 2. 02:26 AM - Re: Project for sale (Chad Hill) 3. 03:13 AM - Re: Project for sale (Dewey Davenport) 4. 06:24 AM - Re: "Historical reference only" (airlion) 5. 07:10 AM - Re: "Historical reference only" (kevinpurtee) 6. 07:30 AM - Re: "Historical reference only" (Jack Phillips) 7. 07:38 AM - Re: View Questions, Fuselage Construction and so on.... (Bill Church) 8. 08:21 AM - Re: View Questions, Fuselage Construction and so on.... (erkki67) 9. 08:35 AM - Re: Tie Downs at Sun n Fun (Barry Davis) 10. 09:15 AM - Re: Tie Downs at Sun n Fun (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC AEROSPACE CORP]) 11. 09:18 AM - Re: Re: View Questions, Fuselage Construction and so on.... (Ryan Mueller) 12. 09:53 AM - Re: Tie Downs at Sun n Fun (K5YAC) 13. 10:02 AM - Re: Tie Down Test Video (Barry Davis) 14. 10:35 AM - Re: View Questions, Fuselage Construction and so on.... (Bill Church) 15. 10:40 AM - Re: View Questions, Fuselage Construction and so on.... (Bill Church) 16. 12:23 PM - Re: Re: "Historical reference only" (Dale Johnson) 17. 01:30 PM - Re: Re: "Historical reference only" (Charles Campbell) 18. 02:01 PM - Re: "Historical reference only" (Bill Church) 19. 02:13 PM - Re: Re: "Historical reference only" (Dale Johnson) 20. 02:15 PM - Re: Re: "Historical reference only" (Dale Johnson) 21. 02:55 PM - Re: Re: "Historical reference only" (Charles Campbell) 22. 08:20 PM - Gilmer, Tx (Gboothe5) 23. 10:07 PM - Re: Tie Downs at Sun n Fun (aerocarjake) 24. 10:25 PM - Re: Re: Project for sale (KM Heide CPO/FAAOP) 25. 10:34 PM - Re: View Questions, Fuselage Construction and so on.... (erkki67) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 12:09:19 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: View Questions, Fuselage Construction and so on.... From: "erkki67" Hello First I would like to know, which fuselage I should go with, knowing that I'm 6'6" tall and weigh 230lbs? Second, I would like to build a 2-seater Parasol at the best a Pietenpol look a like. And third, I would feel very comfortable with Aluminium tubing riveted by Gussets together. And forth, it has to be light as possible, targeted emptyweight should be around 480 to 500lbs! Does the market offer such an craft with the nostalgic look of the Pietenpol? Best rgds from France Erkki Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=336263#336263 ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 02:26:55 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Project for sale From: "Chad Hill" Very interested Give me a call at 605-484-2374 or send me your number. My inlaws live in Frazee could have it gone quickly. Thanks Chad Hill Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=336264#336264 ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 03:13:55 AM PST US From: Dewey Davenport Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Project for sale Would you happen to have any pictures or describe a little more about it. Ho w much of the fuse is built? Are all the metal fitting made up? Is the wing g oing to be a 3 piece or one piece? Thanks Dewey Sent from my iPod On Apr 6, 2011, at 5:41, KM Heide CPO/FAAOP wrote: > Project is near Fargo, ND. > Made from sitka spruce and T-88. > Includes a complete Corvair engine. > tail lumber and ribs included. > all okoume plywood > all control metal from Aircraft Spruce and Specialities > > KMHeide > > > > > --- On Tue, 4/5/11, Michael McGowan wrote: > > From: Michael McGowan > Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Project for sale > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > Date: Tuesday, April 5, 2011, 8:53 PM > > I'd like to know more. Where is the project located? > > Mike McGowan > 573-228-5400 > shadetree@socket.net > ----- Original Message ----- > From: KM Heide CPO/FAAOP > To: Pietenpol > Sent: Tuesday, April 05, 2011 8:26 PM > Subject: Pietenpol-List: Project for sale > > > Members of the list: > > I have a gentleman at our airport who approached me asking if I could list his pietenpol project for sale. It appears the airport commission has told h im if the plane is not flyable he must give up his hanger spot. Never knew h e was building a pietenpol! > > The plane is a long fuse type, very good workmanship. You can contact me f or more information and I can read you a list of everything that comes with t he project. He has set his asking price at $2,500.00 including engine. > > KMHeide > > > > href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List">http://www.matr onics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List > href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com > href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c > > > " target=_blank rel=nofollow>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pieten pol-List > =nofollow>http://forums.matronics.com > blank rel=nofollow>http://www.matronics.com/contribution > > > ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= > ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 06:24:52 AM PST US From: airlion Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: "Historical reference only" The tie downs I used=C2-=C2- were 6 inch plates with 3 12 in nails driv en down in each one. They did not work. The two other Piets had something s imilar.=C2- I was told down there that 2 by 4's lashed along the leading edge of the wings would keep the lift down in a strong wind but we were hit by a twister of about 95 mph. Gardiner. It was a real Pietenpile of shat. --- On Tue, 4/5/11, Jack Phillips wrote: From: Jack Phillips Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: "Historical reference only" =0A=0A=0A =0A =0A=0A =0A=0A =0A=0A =0A=0A =0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0ASo far Ra ndy Bush has been the only one=0Awho has managed to snap his crank while on the ground. =0A=0A =C2- =0A=0AA snapped crank or two would have been far =0Apreferable (assuming the ensuing forced landings were uneventful) to the =0Acarnage at SNF.=C2- =0A=0A =C2- =0A=0AThere have been some discussi ons on the=0Alist about tie-downs.=C2- Barry, do you know what types of t ie-downs the=0APiets there were using?=C2- I expect it doesn=99t ma tter what tie-down=0Ayou have if a tornado hits your airplane. =0A=0A =C2 - =0A=0ADo Not=0AArchive =0A=0A =C2- =0A=0AJack Phillips =0A=0ANX899JP =C2- =9CIcarus Plummet=9D =0A=0ARaleigh,=0A NC =0A=0A =C2- =0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0AFrom:=0Aowner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics .com=0A[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Barr y Davis =0ASent: Tuesday, April 05, 2011 3:53=0APM =0ATo: pietenpol-list@matronics.com =0ASubject: RE: Pietenpol-List:=0A"Historical reference only" =0A=0A=0A=0A =C2- =0A=0AAll the damage in=0A Florida and not one "snapped=0Acrank". Go Figure! =0A=0ABarry Davis =0A=0AN973BP =0A=0A =C2- =0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A =0AFrom:=0Aowner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com=0A[mailto:owner-pieten pol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rick Holland =0ASent: Monday, April 04, 2011 10:34=0APM =0ATo: pietenpol-list@matronics.com =0ASubject: Pietenpol-List:=0A"Historical reference only" =0A=0AHey Guys =0A =0ADid you know that since our Piet plans have not been "modernized" for=0A safety and certification standards our Pietenpols are hereby grounded and f or=0A"historical reference only"? =0A =0A>From the latest March 31 EAA Hotline article: =0A =0A>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> =0ACORBEN SUPER ACE PLANS AVAILABLE FOR=0APURCHASE =0AAce Aircraft Inc. announced it is now selling reproductions of the origi nal=0ACorben Super Ace plans from 1935. As these 1935 plans have not been m odernized=0Afor current aviation safety and certification standards, these plans are=0Aintended for "historical reference purposes only." =0A>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> =0A =0AI am very sorry to inform you that since our Piet plans are dated 1934 a nd are=0Anot modernized they must be surrendered immediately to your neares t FAA=0Adistrict office. However if your Piet has been "modernized" with a =0A"relatively modern" Corvair engine (compared to an ancient 1939=0Avintag e A65) you may disregard this notice. =0A =0AHave a nice day. =0A =0A-- =0ARick Holland =0ACastle Rock, Colorado =0A =0A"Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers, that smell bad" =0A=0A =C2- =C2 -href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List">http://www.ma tronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-Listhref="http://forums.matronics.com">ht tp://forums.matronics.comhref="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">htt p://www.matronics.com/c =C2- =C2-http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pie tenpol-Listhttp://forums.matronics.comhttp://www.matronics.com/contribution =C2- =0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 07:10:08 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: "Historical reference only" From: "kevinpurtee" Gardiner - unless you tied those airplanes down inside a hurricane-rated hangar there wasn't shat you were going to do about keeping them secured. Glad you're safe and I'm sorry for your drama. Shelley and I are thinking about you. Kevin -------- Kevin "Axel" Purtee NX899KP Austin/Georgetown, TX Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=336272#336272 ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 07:30:35 AM PST US From: "Jack Phillips" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: "Historical reference only" So sorry, Gardiner. Thanks for the info on the tie-downs but I doubt that ANYTHING would have prevented disaster in such a circumstance. I hope you get her flying again soon. Did you at least get a T-shirt that says "I survived Sun 'n' Fun 2011"? Jack Phillips NX899JP "Icarus Plummet" Raleigh, NC _____ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of airlion Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2011 9:10 AM Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: "Historical reference only" The tie downs I used were 6 inch plates with 3 12 in nails driven down in each one. They did not work. The two other Piets had something similar. I was told down there that 2 by 4's lashed along the leading edge of the wings would keep the lift down in a strong wind but we were hit by a twister of about 95 mph. Gardiner. It was a real Pietenpile of shat. --- On Tue, 4/5/11, Jack Phillips wrote: From: Jack Phillips Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: "Historical reference only" So far Randy Bush has been the only one who has managed to snap his crank while on the ground. A snapped crank or two would have been far preferable (assuming the ensuing forced landings were uneventful) to the carnage at SNF. There have been some discussions on the list about tie-downs. Barry, do you know what types of tie-downs the Piets there were using? I expect it doesn't matter what tie-down you have if a tornado hits your airplane. Do Not Archive Jack Phillips NX899JP "Icarus Plummet" Raleigh, NC _____ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Barry Davis Sent: Tuesday, April 05, 2011 3:53 PM Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: "Historical reference only" All the damage in Florida and not one "snapped crank". Go Figure! Barry Davis N973BP _____ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rick Holland Sent: Monday, April 04, 2011 10:34 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: "Historical reference only" Hey Guys Did you know that since our Piet plans have not been "modernized" for safety and certification standards our Pietenpols are hereby grounded and for "historical reference only"? >From the latest March 31 EAA Hotline article: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> CORBEN SUPER ACE PLANS AVAILABLE FOR PURCHASE Ace Aircraft Inc. announced it is now selling reproductions of the original Corben Super Ace plans from 1935. As these 1935 plans have not been modernized for current aviation safety and certification standards, these plans are intended for "historical reference purposes only." >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I am very sorry to inform you that since our Piet plans are dated 1934 and are not modernized they must be surrendered immediately to your nearest FAA district office. However if your Piet has been "modernized" with a "relatively modern" Corvair engine (compared to an ancient 1939 vintage A65) you may disregard this notice. Have a nice day. -- Rick Holland Castle Rock, Colorado "Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers, that smell bad" href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List">http://www.matronic s.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List http://forums.matronics.com http://www.matronics.com/contribution ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 07:38:08 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: View Questions, Fuselage Construction and so on.... From: "Bill Church" Erkki, Short answer: Nope. BC do not archive Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=336276#336276 ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 08:21:54 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: View Questions, Fuselage Construction and so on.... From: "erkki67" Nope for all 4 questions? Bst rgds Erkki Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=336280#336280 ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 08:35:27 AM PST US From: "Barry Davis" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Tie Downs at Sun n Fun About Tie Downs Most tie downs failed where the plane was in the direct path of the tornado. We had a mixture of dog screws, aluminum plates with angled anchors, and the angle iron ones with 4 steel anchors at different angles. All pulled out. Across the field, we did see a few broken ropes on planes that were on concrete and had perm tie down anchors, but the planes flipped anyway. We saw a lot of the Claws that failed, they simply bent toward the ends and pulled straight out. In a meeting with Rod Hightower (EAA Pres) last night, he told us about the action in the Warbird area where he rode out the storm. 4 T-6's were tied down all in a row. The one on the left shot across the pad and ended in a ditch with prop, wing and tail damage. The second one (Rod's) did not move or was damaged in any way. The 3rd went about 150 yards and ended in a smaller ditch. the 4th left and hit 6 or 7 other planes including P51s. Aaron Tippen's Helio Courier which was to the far left flipped over Rod's T-6 and landed upside down where the 3rd and 4th T-6s were parked just seconds before. Rod said that about 80 witnessed the DC3 "fly" over the Mustangs and land on the other side unhurt. The Cessna Caravan flipped twice. We learned a lot from the storm and have a meeting May 5th in Oshkosh to discuss and plan. We need to anchor down the Porta Potties as they caused great damage flying across the grounds (many with (blue) people in them trying to get out of the rain and hail). No more of the umbrellas that stick down through a table as they caused a lot of damage to property, luckily no one was impaled. We are going to look at tied downs. Better anchors on the vendors tents. The milk jugs full of water hanging on a rope did not help much. The CNN news article about 70 people trapped in a collapsed building was false. It was in fact the back of the Fly-Market tent that blew out and everyone simple left through the front door. Frank Metcalfe (Big Piet on top of the pile) said there is a YouTube video about testing many types of tie downs using an engine hoist for the pulling. I have not seen it yet, but in the Florida sandy soil, the dog screw anchor does fairly well if the top does not break off at the crimp. Phil Smith talked to someone that said he saw the Piets destroyed. He said that one of them lifted up well above the others and started spinning around. Milliseconds later the other two came up at the same time and they all went together spinning around then dropped to the ground in the fameous PietnPile. I wonder about this report as the rain was so heavy that visibility was only about 10 feet. Looks like the 2 Big Piets will fly again. Bruce will have to have both wings center section, cowling, intake manifold, prop and landing gear among other things. Frank will need one wing and has a lot of internal damage on the steel fuselage. It will be uncovered and several cross members replaced, rudder and other things. Gardiner will need 2 wings, fuselage, landing gear, center section, tail feathers, prop and motor mount. The only thing that really survived intact was the Corvair engine and the watch on the dash. No fuel leaked on any of the Piets. Barry Davis NX973BP _____ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jack Phillips Sent: Tuesday, April 05, 2011 8:29 PM Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: "Historical reference only" So far Randy Bush has been the only one who has managed to snap his crank while on the ground. A snapped crank or two would have been far preferable (assuming the ensuing forced landings were uneventful) to the carnage at SNF. There have been some discussions on the list about tie-downs. Barry, do you know what types of tie-downs the Piets there were using? I expect it doesn't matter what tie-down you have if a tornado hits your airplane. Do Not Archive Jack Phillips NX899JP "Icarus Plummet" Raleigh, NC href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List">http://www.matronic s.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List http://forums.matronics.com http://www.matronics.com/contribution ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 09:15:00 AM PST US From: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC AEROSPACE CORP]" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Tie Downs at Sun n Fun Thank you very much Barry for such a comprehensive overview of the various tie-down used at SNF and sharing EAA's new President Rod Hightower's observ ations. A very insightful post---and as sickening as it is to read about the damage I'm very thankful you too the time to write this and post it fo r all of us to read. Rod sounds like a common sense guy and in reading about his touring of all the EAA Chapters that he can get to is very encouraging too. He seems lik e one of us and hopefully will continue to be so and serve EAA proudly and our needs as well. Mike C. do not archive ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 09:18:57 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: View Questions, Fuselage Construction and so on.... From: Ryan Mueller Well, to recap, you only asked two questions: "First I would like to know, which fuselage I should go with, knowing that I'm 6'6" tall and weigh 230lbs? (question 1) Second, I would like to build a 2-seater Parasol at the best a Pietenpol look a like. And third, I would feel very comfortable with Aluminium tubing riveted by Gussets together. And forth, it has to be light as possible, targeted emptyweight should be around 480 to 500lbs! Does the market offer such an craft with the nostalgic look of the Pietenpol?" (question 2) The answer to the first question is negated by the fact that you want to build a Pietenpol look-a-like, so short vs long is irrelevant....as you just said you don't want to build an actual Pietenpol (although at 6'6" you'd probably want the "Corvair" fuselage). The answer to your second question, does the market offer a Pietenpol look-alike built of aluminum tubing riveted together with an empty weight of 480 to 500 lbs.....no. If you are dead set on having an aluminum tubing, pop-riveted construction parasol you might check with Robert Baslee of Airdrome Airplanes. They primarily do WWI/pre-war replicas built with that construction method, although I don't know offhand if they have any two-seaters. They had a website, although it looks like they may not have paid the bill this month, as it redirects to their providers page... Ryan On Wed, Apr 6, 2011 at 8:18 AM, erkki67 wrote: > > Nope for all 4 questions? > > Bst rgds Erkki > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=336280#336280 > > ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 09:53:26 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Tie Downs at Sun n Fun From: "K5YAC" Agreed Mike... and thanks Barry! -------- Mark Chouinard Wings, Center Section and Empannage framed up - Working on Fuselage Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=336294#336294 ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 10:02:31 AM PST US From: "Barry Davis" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Tie Down Test Video I found the You Tube Video testing various tiedowns. See It Here http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Loq1olceSIE Barry Davis NX973BP ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 10:35:59 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: View Questions, Fuselage Construction and so on.... From: "Bill Church" Erkki, My "nope" answer was in response to your last question: Does the market offer such an craft with the nostalgic look of the Pietenpol?" I'm not aware of any Pietenpol lookalikes, especially one made from aluminum tubing. There is a single-place parasol design that is built from extruded aluminum angle, called the Texas Parasol. It bears some resemblance to the Pietenpol. Attached is a spec sheet. It looks as though it would give you everything you're looking for, EXCEPT the 2-seater requirement. 2 seats, under 500 pounds empty weight, AND looking like a real airplane is a tall order to fill. The plans and builder's manual for the Texas Parasol are available for free here: http://www.matronics.com/photoshare/cavelamb@earthlink.net.02.11.2006/index.html Bill C. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=336298#336298 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/tp_specs_985.pdf ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 10:40:05 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: View Questions, Fuselage Construction and so on.... From: "Bill Church" That link doesn't seem to be right. Try this: http://www.matronics.com/photoshare/cavelamb@earthlink.net.02.11.2006/ Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=336299#336299 ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 12:23:00 PM PST US From: "Dale Johnson" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: "Historical reference only" ----- Original Message ----- From: "kevinpurtee" Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2011 9:06 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: "Historical reference only" > > > Gardiner - unless you tied those airplanes down inside a hurricane-rated > hangar there wasn't shat you were going to do about keeping them secured. > Glad you're safe and I'm sorry for your drama. Shelley and I are thinking > about you. > > Kevin > > -------- > Kevin "Axel" Purtee > NX899KP > Austin/Georgetown, TX > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=336272#336272 > > > ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 01:30:21 PM PST US From: "Charles Campbell" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: "Historical reference only" Dale, there was no message. Do not archive. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dale Johnson" Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2011 3:20 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: "Historical reference only" > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "kevinpurtee" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2011 9:06 AM > Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: "Historical reference only" > > >> >> >> Gardiner - unless you tied those airplanes down inside a hurricane-rated >> hangar there wasn't shat you were going to do about keeping them secured. >> Glad you're safe and I'm sorry for your drama. Shelley and I are >> thinking about you. >> >> Kevin >> >> -------- >> Kevin "Axel" Purtee >> NX899KP >> Austin/Georgetown, TX >> >> >> >> >> Read this topic online here: >> >> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=336272#336272 >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 02:01:05 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: "Historical reference only" From: "Bill Church" Chuck, I didn't get your message either. :) do not archive Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=336312#336312 ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 02:13:31 PM PST US From: "Dale Johnson" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: "Historical reference only" test ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Church" Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2011 3:58 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: "Historical reference only" > > > Chuck, > I didn't get your message either. :) > > do not archive > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=336312#336312 > > > ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 02:15:21 PM PST US From: "Dale Johnson" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: "Historical reference only" Dale and I are working out some computer issues. Thanks for your patience. BTW Dale's new email addyress is ddjohn36 at charter.net chris bobka ----- Original Message ----- From: "Charles Campbell" Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2011 3:27 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: "Historical reference only" > > > Dale, there was no message. Do not archive. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Dale Johnson" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2011 3:20 PM > Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: "Historical reference only" > > >> >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "kevinpurtee" >> To: >> Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2011 9:06 AM >> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: "Historical reference only" >> >> >>> >>> >>> Gardiner - unless you tied those airplanes down inside a hurricane-rated >>> hangar there wasn't shat you were going to do about keeping them >>> secured. Glad you're safe and I'm sorry for your drama. Shelley and I >>> are thinking about you. >>> >>> Kevin >>> >>> -------- >>> Kevin "Axel" Purtee >>> NX899KP >>> Austin/Georgetown, TX >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Read this topic online here: >>> >>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=336272#336272 >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> > > > ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 02:55:48 PM PST US From: "Charles Campbell" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: "Historical reference only" Test worked fine. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dale Johnson" Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2011 5:08 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: "Historical reference only" > > > test > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Bill Church" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2011 3:58 PM > Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: "Historical reference only" > > >> >> >> Chuck, >> I didn't get your message either. :) >> >> do not archive >> >> >> >> >> Read this topic online here: >> >> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=336312#336312 >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 08:20:51 PM PST US From: "Gboothe5" Subject: Pietenpol-List: Gilmer, Tx OK.Show of hands..Who's been to Gilmer, Tx..Yes, I know Kevin, you have been there (you can put your hand down)..but, who else? So what are the odds that you put out a Marklegram that you're going to be in Gilmer, Tx, and you want to know if there are any Piet builders near... and one pops up! Robert Caldwell is a Texas Gentleman who keeps his Stinson, and part of his Piet in Gilmer. The rest is back at home base in Holly Lake, Tx, about 20 miles away. When you go to see anyone in Texas, the first order of business is to go git some Texas BBQ. Since it was a bit windy, Robert and I went to git the obligatory BBQ, chat a bit, then return to the airport to check the winds. They had died down significantly, so we jumped into his sturdy Stinson and flew to Holly Lake. There a friend, with a newly updated Tri-pacer, loaned his jeep and we drove to Robert's house and workshop to see the rest of the project. Robert is an excellent craftsman, with some very cool ideas about the pilot seat.that's all I'm going to say for now. You'll have to wait until he finishes and he and Axel barnstorm to Brodhead. Don't fail to check out Picture #4..It's a Corvair that hasn't even broken its cra-..Wait a minute..I made a deal with Jack, and Rule #1: The Deal's The Deal. Signing off from beautiful Gilmer, Texas, Gary from Cool, Ca ________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ Time: 10:07:05 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Tie Downs at Sun n Fun From: "aerocarjake" Thanks Barry..... very nice and detailed report. sad to see stuff like this happen but good to see eaa trying to learn from it. I stood on the grounds of OSH one time (many years ago) and watched a waterspout skip across lake winnebago - all the time wondering what damage that would do one mile or so closer...... scary stuff but part of life's reality I guess........ -------- Jake Schultz - curator, Newport Way Air Museum (OK, it's just my home) Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=336333#336333 ________________________________ Message 24 ____________________________________ Time: 10:25:30 PM PST US From: KM Heide CPO/FAAOP Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Project for sale Chad, - PLease call me and I can give directions and tell you more about this plane .. - Ken Heide 701-793-3030 - --- On Wed, 4/6/11, Chad Hill wrote: From: Chad Hill Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Project for sale Very interested Give me a call at 605-484-2374 or send me your number. My i nlaws live in Frazee could have it gone quickly. Thanks Chad Hill Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=336264#336264 le, List Admin. ________________________________ Message 25 ____________________________________ Time: 10:34:28 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: View Questions, Fuselage Construction and so on.... From: "erkki67" Does anyone have the knowledge to draw up a XXL Fuselage of the Pietenpol, so a 6'6" would fit? 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