---------------------------------------------------------- Pietenpol-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Tue 04/12/11: 13 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 05:08 AM - Re: help identifying disk brake caliper (John Franklin) 2. 05:39 AM - Re: help identifying disk brake caliper (Gene Rambo) 3. 06:26 AM - Re: Speaking of Wing Sweep and CG (NX899SG) 4. 07:34 AM - Cabane Fittings (Kringle) 5. 07:39 AM - NA-S3 B Stromber Carburetor (vagabondpa15) 6. 08:07 AM - Re: NA-S3 B Stromber Carburetor (vagabondpa15) 7. 08:12 AM - Re: Re: Speaking of Wing Sweep and CG (Michael Perez) 8. 09:55 AM - Re: Cabane Fittings (shad bell) 9. 11:55 AM - Re: Cabane Fittings (jarheadpilot82) 10. 02:34 PM - Re: Cabane Fittings (jarheadpilot82) 11. 02:54 PM - Re: Cabane Fittings (Kringle) 12. 05:24 PM - Re: Speaking of Wing Sweep and CG (Pieti Lowell) 13. 07:50 PM - Re: Re: Cabane Fittings (Clif Dawson) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 05:08:25 AM PST US From: John Franklin Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: help identifying disk brake caliper Lorin, Send an email with your pix to Matco's Customer Service: http://www.matcomfg.com/contact.html A couple of years ago I had some Matco wheel assemblies I couldn't identify and their Customer Service guy was very helpful. Good Luck, John F. GN-1 / Corvair Richmond, TX -----Original Message----- >From: ldmill >Sent: Apr 11, 2011 9:42 PM >To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com >Subject: Pietenpol-List: help identifying disk brake caliper > > >Folks - this may seem like a newbe question - and it probably is - but I need some assistance from those more experienced. > >First some background: I purchased a GN-1 (vintage 1986 build) last year that came with 15-6.00x6 tires/wheels. Right brake was always a little spongy - I bled it several times and it helped temporarily. At the end of the season I noticed brake fluid starting to show up on the side of my tire. Pulled it off and found the fluid was leaking between brake cylinder and the piston - meaning the o-ring seal. When I looked closer - I also noticed that the casting has a small split where the brake bleeder was overtightened at some point. Basically, I need to replace the assembly. > >Problem - this looks like a Matco assembly - but there is no identification that I can find on the assembly. The piston is 1.5" dia. Axle it was mounted on is 1.25" dia. The brake rotor on the wheels isn't the tophat kind like what it appears that Cleveland uses - but a ring style with three cap screws to attach to the wheel. > >Anybody have a clue what this is? I 'd like to replace somewhat in kind so the master cylinder pressure matches and I don't have different braking loads on each side of the plane. > >Attached are pics for reference. Help? > >FYI- intending to fly to Brodhead this year - then to Oshkosh with the group. > >-------- >Lorin Miller >Waiex N81YX >GN-1 N30PP > ________________________________________ ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 05:39:13 AM PST US From: Gene Rambo Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: help identifying disk brake caliper that 15-6/00x6 is the low profile wheel/tire used on Cessna RG aircraft. C essna bought McCauley years ago and call the wheel assemblies something els e now. It is most likely a Cessna part. Go to your closest FBO maintananc e shop and show it to them=2C if they work on Cessna RGs they willprobably recognize it and can steer you inthe right way. Gene do not archive > Date: Tue=2C 12 Apr 2011 07:03:21 -0500 > From: jbfjr@peoplepc.com > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: help identifying disk brake caliper > > > Lorin=2C > > Send an email with your pix to Matco's Customer Service: http://www.matco mfg.com/contact.html > A couple of years ago I had some Matco wheel assemblies I couldn't identi fy and their Customer Service guy was very helpful. > > Good Luck=2C > John F. > GN-1 / Corvair > Richmond=2C TX > > > > -----Original Message----- > >From: ldmill > >Sent: Apr 11=2C 2011 9:42 PM > >To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > >Subject: Pietenpol-List: help identifying disk brake caliper > > > > > > >Folks - this may seem like a newbe question - and it probably is - but I need some assistance from those more experienced. > > > >First some background: I purchased a GN-1 (vintage 1986 build) last year that came with 15-6.00x6 tires/wheels. Right brake was always a little spo ngy - I bled it several times and it helped temporarily. At the end of the season I noticed brake fluid starting to show up on the side of my tire. Pu lled it off and found the fluid was leaking between brake cylinder and the piston - meaning the o-ring seal. When I looked closer - I also noticed tha t the casting has a small split where the brake bleeder was overtightened a t some point. Basically=2C I need to replace the assembly. > > > >Problem - this looks like a Matco assembly - but there is no identificat ion that I can find on the assembly. The piston is 1.5" dia. Axle it was mo unted on is 1.25" dia. The brake rotor on the wheels isn't the tophat kind like what it appears that Cleveland uses - but a ring style with three cap screws to attach to the wheel. > > > >Anybody have a clue what this is? I 'd like to replace somewhat in kind so the master cylinder pressure matches and I don't have different braking loads on each side of the plane. > > > >Attached are pics for reference. Help? > > > >FYI- intending to fly to Brodhead this year - then to Oshkosh with the g roup. > > > >-------- > >Lorin Miller > >Waiex N81YX > >GN-1 N30PP > > > > > > ________________________________________ > =========== =========== =========== =========== > > > ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 06:26:30 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Speaking of Wing Sweep and CG From: "NX899SG" yocum137 wrote: > Michael, et al., > > > Just be sure to use the same length units throughout - put everything in > inches . . . . . . .or furlongs. > > Cheers, > Dan > Lets see I make the 60" cord of a Piet wing to be right at .0075757575757575757575757575756 furlongs interesting [Cool] Regards, Stan Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=336707#336707 ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 07:34:22 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Cabane Fittings From: "Kringle" Last night I began making my cabane fittings for the center section. After reading how to bend the u-shaped material and the minimum radius needed, I proceeded to make a fitting. With this u-shaped piece fitting over the spar, I have a good gap in the wood to metal area because of the radiused metal and sharped edged wood. Do most of you sand the wood in that area to fit the radius of the metal? -------- John Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=336710#336710 ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 07:39:25 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: NA-S3 B Stromber Carburetor From: "vagabondpa15" My next question is where do you measure the float dem. 13/32 ? I understand you start at the parting line of the float bowel but down to what? Also do you include the thickness of the gasket? I want to thank all who responded to my first questions. Thank you all again. Dave H -------- Dave Harmon Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=336712#336712 ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 08:07:31 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: NA-S3 B Stromber Carburetor From: "vagabondpa15" OK I think I got it! down to the fuel level. This level is determined by the pressure of the fuel just like it is in the aeroplane. Head pressure inches WC or psi etc..... so I simulate it with gas line & funnel. Dave H -------- Dave Harmon Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=336713#336713 ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 08:12:29 AM PST US From: Michael Perez Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Speaking of Wing Sweep and CG My cabanas are 1-3/8" longer then shown on the plans. (I managed to screw up cutting/ drilling them that this is the length they ended up at.) Michael Perez Karetaker Aero www.karetakeraero.com --- On Mon, 4/11/11, Pieti Lowell wrote: > From: Pieti Lowell > Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Speaking of Wing Sweep and CG > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > Date: Monday, April 11, 2011, 8:59 PM > --> Pietenpol-List message posted > by: "Pieti Lowell" > > Mike, > What lengths are your Cabanes ? > Pieti Lowell > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=336676#336676 > > > > > > > > Email Forum - > FAQ, > - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS - > List Contribution Web Site - > -Matt > Dralle, List Admin. > > > > ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 09:55:40 AM PST US From: shad bell Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Cabane Fittings John, I would recomend not sanding the spar to shape (I could be wrong).- My reason for saying that is because the spar "caps" top and bottom edges are the most critical, load bearing areas.- Someone else chime in here if I am completly wrong, but that is why you can get away with routing out th e solid spars in the center, to make the routed I beam.- One possible sol ution, is to add a rounded 1/8, or so plywood block to the top of the spar to snug up the fit, this would also keep the fitting from cutting into the spar cap.- Just make sure to leave the fitting long enough on the bottom side to make up for the plywood block thickness. - Just an idea, Shad --- On Tue, 4/12/11, Kringle wrote: From: Kringle Subject: Pietenpol-List: Cabane Fittings Last night I began making my cabane fittings for the center section.- Aft er reading how to bend the u-shaped material and the minimum radius needed, I proceeded to make a fitting.- With this u-shaped piece fitting over th e spar, I have a good gap in the wood to metal area because of the radiused metal and sharped edged wood.- Do most of you sand the wood in that area to fit the radius of the metal? -------- John Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=336710#336710 le, List Admin. =0A=0A=0A ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 11:55:28 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Cabane Fittings From: "jarheadpilot82" John, I have attached a snapshot taken from one of Tony Bingelis' book showing how to deal with radius' corners in metal. I also added a drawing showing how you might adapt the idea to your situation. You could cut a metal piece, radius the corners, and put it in as a spacer. Does that make sense? Maybe some of the way-more experienced builders can comment (I am just starting, so I really know next to nothing), but I saw it in Tony's book and thought it might help. -------- Semper Fi, Terry Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=336726#336726 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/screen_shot_2011_04_12_at_24021_pm_235.png ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 02:34:00 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Cabane Fittings From: "jarheadpilot82" jarheadpilot82 wrote: > John, > > I have attached a snapshot taken from one of Tony Bingelis' book showing how to deal with radius' corners in metal. I also added a drawing showing how you might adapt the idea to your situation. You could cut a metal piece, radius the corners, and put it in as a spacer. Does that make sense? Maybe some of the way-more experienced builders can comment (I am just starting, so I really know next to nothing), but I saw it in Tony's book and thought it might help. I think that Shad and I are saying the same thing - I am suggesting metal and I think he is suggesting a wood spacer. -------- Semper Fi, Terry Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=336736#336736 ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 02:54:10 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Cabane Fittings From: "Kringle" Perhaps I will use this method as posted by Jack Textor. With the bending radius of the lower piece I may have a hard time holding the 3/4 dimension as per the print for the cabane attachment. -------- John Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=336741#336741 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/mat_pic_480.jpg ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 05:24:22 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Speaking of Wing Sweep and CG From: "Pieti Lowell" The Cabanes with the 612 should be very close to the same length because the angle of incident is much different than the Piets, I will be trying different angles to find the best flying configuration. The same length as the Pietenpol's Cabanes,gives the trim of much forward stick pressure to hold straight and level at 70 MPH. Pieti Lowell Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=336762#336762 ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 07:50:35 PM PST US From: "Clif Dawson" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Cabane Fittings You guys do remember there's another piece of U shaped metal that goes in there? Right? Clif :-) ----- Original Message ----- From: "jarheadpilot82" Sent: Tuesday, April 12, 2011 11:52 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Cabane Fittings > > > John, > > I have attached a snapshot taken from one of Tony Bingelis' book showing > how to deal with radius' corners in metal. I also added a drawing showing > how you might adapt the idea to your situation. You could cut a metal > piece, radius the corners, and put it in as a spacer. Does that make > sense? Maybe some of the way-more experienced builders can comment (I am > just starting, so I really know next to nothing), but I saw it in Tony's > book and thought it might help. > > -------- > Semper Fi, > > Terry > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=336726#336726 > > > Attachments: > > http://forums.matronics.com//files/screen_shot_2011_04_12_at_24021_pm_235.png > > > ----- > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message pietenpol-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Pietenpol-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/pietenpol-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/pietenpol-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.