---------------------------------------------------------- Pietenpol-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Mon 04/18/11: 20 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 04:05 AM - Re: Holmes County, OH Piets? (Kringle) 2. 04:26 AM - Elevator spruce strips (Scott Knowlton) 3. 05:12 AM - Re: Elevator spruce strips (echobravo4) 4. 05:41 AM - Re: Trip down to SnF (airlion) 5. 06:26 AM - Re: Damage To N971BP (shad bell) 6. 06:39 AM - Re: Re: Holmes County, OH Piets? (shad bell) 7. 07:03 AM - Re: Holmes County, OH Piets? (Kringle) 8. 07:06 AM - Sanford and Son...and Airplanes? (Michael Perez) 9. 07:13 AM - springfield Illinois (bender) 10. 07:16 AM - Re: springfield Illinois (echobravo4) 11. 07:38 AM - Re: springfield Illinois (Perry Rhoads) 12. 07:41 AM - Re: springfield Illinois (Jim Markle) 13. 07:43 AM - Fuselage Construction (lowell23@msn.com) 14. 08:01 AM - Re: Fuselage Construction (Gary Boothe) 15. 08:42 AM - Re: Fuselage Construction (TOM STINEMETZE) 16. 09:08 AM - Re: Fuselage Construction (Jack Phillips) 17. 09:13 AM - Sanford and Son...and Airplanes? (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC AEROSPACE CORP]) 18. 11:25 AM - Re: Re: Elevator spruce strips (Scott Knowlton) 19. 11:50 AM - Re: Sanford and Son...and Airplanes? (bender) 20. 01:19 PM - Re: Holmes County, OH Piets? (Don Emch) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 04:05:35 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Holmes County, OH Piets? From: "Kringle" Don, i don't think my wife will give up that much of her shopping time to make the trip over. I looked at your plane on west coast piet and liked a lot of things you have done. Are you going to be at Brodhead this year? -------- John Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=337315#337315 ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 04:26:50 AM PST US From: "Scott Knowlton " Subject: Pietenpol-List: Elevator spruce strips After Chet Peak's book being mentioned I took a few moments last night to read through it again. As I am in the process of finishing up my elevators I took considerable interest in the photo of a horizontal stab and elevators hanging on a wall in his book. What caught my attention was each elevator had one diagonal 3/16 by 1/2 strip and three vertical strips per side. The plans call out for only two vertical strips per side and that is how I built mine. Have a bunch of builders added this third strip? Is it for extra rib stitching or strength? Scott Knowlton ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 05:12:13 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Elevator spruce strips From: "echobravo4" I believe that picture is actually of Chet's Piet, and, like all of us builders on the list has made his own changes to his build. Do not archive -------- Earl Brown I may not have gone where I intended to go, but I think I have ended up where I intended to be. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=337320#337320 ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 05:41:13 AM PST US From: airlion Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Trip down to SnF Frank, I really like snf 2011 003A. Could you please send me the bigger file for printing? thanks,Gardiner. --- On Sun, 4/17/11, Frank Metcalfe wrote: From: Frank Metcalfe Subject: Pietenpol-List: Trip down to SnF Here's a few pictures of the Pietenpols trip down to Sun-NFun. Best part of the trip !! I reduced the size. HQ is way to large. ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 06:26:23 AM PST US From: shad bell Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Damage To N971BP The experiance kinda reminds you of your youth?- Fixing my wing (fell off work bench) reminded me of fixing my rc models after a good CRUNCH.- Bot h are heart breaking, but both also eventually get fixed, keep on going.- You built the whole airplane, a few repairs are like a drop in the bucket. - Shad --- On Sun, 4/17/11, Frank Metcalfe wrote: From: Frank Metcalfe Subject: Pietenpol-List: Damage To N971BP I started to check the damage to my plane. Last weekend I uncovered my left wing, aileron and rudder. I should have the repairs to the aileron complet e today and start making some ribs today. I post more as soon as I uncover some more damages. - - ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 06:39:27 AM PST US From: shad bell Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Holmes County, OH Piets? John, if you are coming from dayton area to holmes county, you are going up rt 3?- If so you will drive right by my house/hangar.- Centerburg airp ort is on rt 3, just north of Sunbury Ohio about 9 miles or so.- --- On Sat, 4/16/11, Kringle wrote: From: Kringle Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Holmes County, OH Piets? Wow, I wish I was closer but am coming from the Dayton area. Thanks -------- John Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=337177#337177 le, List Admin. ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 07:03:44 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Holmes County, OH Piets? From: "Kringle" Shad, I will only be in the area on Friday and Saturday. Thanks, John -------- John Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=337340#337340 ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 07:06:27 AM PST US From: Michael Perez Subject: Pietenpol-List: Sanford and Son...and Airplanes? For those of you who know of the show...during the ending credits, it appea rs Lamont picks up a rudder or elevator of some sort and puts it in the tru ck...is it? If so, anyone venture a guess what it is from? - DO NOT ARCHIVE Michael Perez Karetaker Aero www.karetakeraero.com ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 07:13:11 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: springfield Illinois From: "bender" i'm in springfield all week.. any piets close...?? took a photo looking down on the piet last week.... looks like a model jeff Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=337343#337343 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/image_039_893.jpg ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 07:16:57 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: springfield Illinois From: "echobravo4" That's only 'cause your hanger is too big!! Looks great! do not archive -------- Earl Brown I may not have gone where I intended to go, but I think I have ended up where I intended to be. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=337345#337345 ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 07:38:59 AM PST US From: "Perry Rhoads" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: springfield Illinois Jeff, I keep N12939, 50 miles south on I-55 at Litchfield,IL. (3LF). It's not a project. Built buy Ed Sampson in 1972, owned by VI Kaplar for 23 years until I bought it in Oct. 2009. I can meet you there any night this week. Perry Rhoads 217-854-2521 days ----- Original Message ----- From: "bender" Sent: Monday, April 18, 2011 9:10 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: springfield Illinois > > > i'm in springfield all week.. any piets close...?? > > took a photo looking down on the piet last week.... looks like a model > > jeff > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=337343#337343 > > > Attachments: > > http://forums.matronics.com//files/image_039_893.jpg > > > ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 07:41:58 AM PST US From: Jim Markle Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: springfield Illinois A BEAUTIFUL model....that's nice. -----Original Message----- >From: bender >Sent: Apr 18, 2011 9:10 AM >To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com >Subject: Pietenpol-List: springfield Illinois > > >i'm in springfield all week.. any piets close...?? > >took a photo looking down on the piet last week.... looks like a model > >jeff > > >Read this topic online here: > >http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=337343#337343 > > >Attachments: > >http://forums.matronics.com//files/image_039_893.jpg > > ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 07:43:17 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Fuselage Construction From: "lowell23@msn.com" I've built the workbench where my fuselage jig will be laid out, and plywood, spruce and T-88 are on their way from Aircraft Spruce. I have one question (for now...) about how to glue it all together in the jig. Should I put the longerons in first, then squeeze in the struts and cross braces with the glue on them, or should I put one longeron in the jig, glue on the struts and cross braces, then bring the other longeron up to the struts, etc. before putting on the gussets? I've read Mr. Pietenpol's builders notes, and he seems to indicate doing it the first way, but I just picture the glue being squeegeed (is that a word?) out. I certainly appreciate any input. Thank you, Lowell Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=337351#337351 ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 08:01:23 AM PST US From: "Gary Boothe" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Fuselage Construction Squeegeed? I think the correct word is, "Squoze." ;-) Anyhow, use the first method, put the epoxy on both surfaces. In my case, I was able to flex the longeron just enough to not scrape off all the epoxy, in most cases. No matter, the real strength is in the gussets. Carry on with confidence... Gary Boothe -----Original Message----- From: lowell23@msn.com Sent: Monday, April 18, 2011 7:40 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Fuselage Construction I've built the workbench where my fuselage jig will be laid out, and plywood, spruce and T-88 are on their way from Aircraft Spruce. I have one question (for now...) about how to glue it all together in the jig. Should I put the longerons in first, then squeeze in the struts and cross braces with the glue on them, or should I put one longeron in the jig, glue on the struts and cross braces, then bring the other longeron up to the struts, etc. before putting on the gussets? I've read Mr. Pietenpol's builders notes, and he seems to indicate doing it the first way, but I just picture the glue being squeegeed (is that a word?) out. I certainly appreciate any input. Thank you, Lowell Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=337351#337351 ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 08:42:30 AM PST US From: "TOM STINEMETZE" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Fuselage Construction Lowell: I found the first way to work very well with the added advantage that the upper and lower longerons can be very accurately jigged in place and then the cross braces can be fooled with (sorry to use such technical language) until the fit is just perfect before adding the glue. Most of these cross braces can be placed between the longerons and just rotated into place so you do not get that "squeegee" effect. Tom Stinemetze N328X >>> "lowell23@msn.com" 4/18/2011 9:40 AM >>> I've built the workbench where my fuselage jig will be laid out, and plywood, spruce and T-88 are on their way from Aircraft Spruce. I have one question (for now...) about how to glue it all together in the jig. Should I put the longerons in first, then squeeze in the struts and cross braces with the glue on them, or should I put one longeron in the jig, glue on the struts and cross braces, then bring the other longeron up to the struts, etc. before putting on the gussets? I've read Mr. Pietenpol's builders notes, and he seems to indicate doing it the first way, but I just picture the glue being squeegeed (is that a word?) out. I certainly appreciate any input. Thank you, Lowell ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 09:08:49 AM PST US From: "Jack Phillips" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Fuselage Construction Lowell, Put the longerons in the jig and then you can custom fit the uprights and diagonals. Don't try cutting them to exact length first - they will never fit quite right. Gary's right - don't worry about squeezing the glue out of the butt joints - even with exactly right amounts of glue, a butt joint is still very weak. The strength comes from the gussets. Jack Phillips NX899JP "Icarus Plummet" Raleigh, NC -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of lowell23@msn.com Sent: Monday, April 18, 2011 10:41 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Fuselage Construction I've built the workbench where my fuselage jig will be laid out, and plywood, spruce and T-88 are on their way from Aircraft Spruce. I have one question (for now...) about how to glue it all together in the jig. Should I put the longerons in first, then squeeze in the struts and cross braces with the glue on them, or should I put one longeron in the jig, glue on the struts and cross braces, then bring the other longeron up to the struts, etc. before putting on the gussets? I've read Mr. Pietenpol's builders notes, and he seems to indicate doing it the first way, but I just picture the glue being squeegeed (is that a word?) out. I certainly appreciate any input. Thank you, Lowell ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 09:13:37 AM PST US From: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC AEROSPACE CORP]" Subject: Pietenpol-List: Sanford and Son...and Airplanes? That's so cool Mike-I love that they are showing re-runs of that show local ly here where we live and I've never notice that tailfeather part in the ending credits of the show. I'll take a look-see next time I catch the s how. PS-for those on the list too young to remember Sanford and Son (a tv show from the 70's/ 80's roughly) YouTube them. What a riot. Was a great show -still is. Mike C. do not archive [cid:image001.jpg@01CBFDC1.B3544170] ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 11:25:01 AM PST US From: "Scott Knowlton " Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Elevator spruce strips Thanks! That makes me feel better. I'd be concerned if the extra spruce strip per elevator was the norm of the group. I'll stick to the plans. Scott Knowlton -----Original Message----- From: echobravo4 Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Elevator spruce strips I believe that picture is actually of Chet's Piet, and, like all of us builders on the list has made his own changes to his build. Do not archive -------- Earl Brown I may not have gone where I intended to go, but I think I have ended up where I intended to be. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=337320#337320 ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 11:50:54 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Sanford and Son...and Airplanes? From: "bender" champipple ?? you big dummy... its champagne mixed with ripple i had a 54 ford truck that i thought was going to kill my wife when i pulled in the drive... went well with the sanford and son ringtone on my phone do not archive jeff Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=337397#337397 ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 01:19:20 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Holmes County, OH Piets? From: "Don Emch" John, As of right now I am planning to make the Brodhead trip this year. 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