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     1. 04:38 AM - Re: Sterling's Piet project for sale in TX (Jack)
     2. 04:44 AM - Re: Sterling's Piet project for sale in TX (Kip and Beth Gardner)
     3. 06:14 AM - Re: PHL May 2-6 (echobravo4)
     4. 06:28 AM - Re: Sterling's Piet project for sale in TX (Lloyd Smith)
     5. 06:30 AM - Re: Sterling's Piet project for sale in TX (Jim Markle)
     6. 06:30 AM - Re: PHL May 2-6 (Jim Markle)
     7. 06:51 AM - Re: spraying latex ()
     8. 06:54 AM - latex bonding to fabric (Douwe Blumberg)
     9. 06:57 AM - Re: Re: San Antonio (Ken Bickers)
    10. 07:02 AM - Re: Re: spraying latex (airlion)
    11. 07:50 AM - Re: spraying latex (Gboothe5)
    12. 08:39 AM - Re: San Antonio (Dortch, Steven D MAJ NG NG FORSCOM)
    13. 09:12 AM - Re: PHL May 2-6 (Amsafetyc@gmail.com)
    14. 10:05 AM - Rib Questions (Mark M)
    15. 10:16 AM - Another rib question (Mark M)
    16. 10:29 AM - Re: Rudder Cable Routing (Jim Boyer)
    17. 12:08 PM - Re: Rib Questions (Ben Charvet)
    18. 02:13 PM - Re: latex bonding to fabric (skellytown flyer)
    19. 02:54 PM - Re: Re: latex bonding to fabric (shad bell)
    20. 03:03 PM - Re: Re: latex bonding to fabric (Kip and Beth Gardner)
    21. 03:17 PM - Re: latex bonding to fabric (skellytown flyer)
    22. 04:01 PM - Re: Another rib question (jarheadpilot82)
    23. 06:43 PM - Re: Re: latex bonding to fabric (gliderx5@comcast.net)
    24. 07:24 PM - Re: Re: latex bonding to fabric (gliderx5@comcast.net)
    25. 09:00 PM - Re: PHL May 2-6 (Matthew VanDervort)
 
 
 
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| Subject:  | Sterling's Piet project for sale in TX | 
      
      
      Sterling,
      My thoughts and prayers are with you, your friends and family!
      Jack
      DSM
      Do not archive
      
      -----Original Message-----
      From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
      [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Oscar Zuniga
      Sent: Friday, April 22, 2011 10:58 PM
      Subject:  Pietenpol-List: Sterling's Piet project for sale in TX
      
      
      
      Some of you may remember our friend Sterling, who came up with the
      concept of the TACOs (Texas Air Camper Organization).  He has developed
      melanoma and recent tests have indicated that it's going to progress
      unabated, so he's preparing to get his things in order so as not to leave
      his wife with a bunch of guy stuff to figure out and dispose of when he
      goes.
      Here's the email straight from his keyboard, and he is not one to pull
      punches or fool around and neither am I, so here's the deal:
      =====================
      
      This is the link to the video I just uploaded to my YouTube account.
      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vwbx3Q8cv7c
      
      The video is really lousy and not typical of my work, but I am
      in a rush to get a lot of things done before my surgery on 4-27. I hope 
      to get my auction on Ebay late this weekend.
      
      I very much appreciate your helping me get word out on this. Life has
      gotten very complicated in the last few weeks and I have so much to do
      as I prepare for the big change that is about to happen. I'm in a
      "Muy Pronto" mindset!
      
      If you will be so kind to suggest that I'm selling this due to health
      reasons
      and also mention I might not be able to answer questions off of my YouTube
      account or through Ebay due to the surgery and treatment after. However I'll
      do my best to answer if I can. The surgeon mentioned after surgery the need
      to stay at home and out of dusty areas because of the risk of infection
      (and maybe falling on my fat bohunkus). 
      
      I'm planning of putting the A-80 engine on a separate auction soon. It will
      come with an aluminum prop... forgot what brand it is, but it is in storage
      in my barn.  Also, my Cessna 150/150 will be for sale soon. Not sure if I'll
      put that on Barnstormers or where.
      
      I do encourage "pre-bid" inspections and I would do my best to accommodate
      anyone who would like to see this in person, at the airport in Ballinger,
      Texas
      (Bruce Field, E30)
      
      Not shown in my video are plexiglass windshields for the passenger and
      pilot.
      I have these as they were cut by the original builder. I also have the
      horizontal
      stabilizer I forgot to show in the video.
      
      Thanks again so much for helping "communicate" this. I am just way out of
      the
      loop with people these days.
      
      Sterling
      ===================
      Oscar Zuniga
      Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
      San Antonio, TX
      website at http://www.flysquirrel.net 		 	   		  
      
      
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| Subject:  | Re: Sterling's Piet project for sale in TX | 
      
      
      This is the worst kind of news.  Sterling is one of the good guys.
      
      Do not archive.
      
      Kip Gardner
      
      On Apr 22, 2011, at 11:57 PM, Oscar Zuniga wrote:
      
      > >
      >
      >
      > Some of you may remember our friend Sterling, who came up with the
      > concept of the TACOs (Texas Air Camper Organization).  He has  
      > developed
      > melanoma and recent tests have indicated that it's going to progress
      > unabated, so he's preparing to get his things in order so as not to  
      > leave
      > his wife with a bunch of guy stuff to figure out and dispose of when  
      > he goes.
      > Here's the email straight from his keyboard, and he is not one to pull
      > punches or fool around and neither am I, so here's the deal:
      > =====================
      >
      > This is the link to the video I just uploaded to my YouTube account. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vwbx3Q8cv7c
      >
      > The video is really lousy and not typical of my work, but I am
      > in a rush to get a lot of things done before my surgery on 4-27. I  
      > hope
      > to get my auction on Ebay late this weekend.
      >
      > I very much appreciate your helping me get word out on this. Life has
      > gotten very complicated in the last few weeks and I have so much to do
      > as I prepare for the big change that is about to happen. I'm in a
      > "Muy Pronto" mindset!
      >
      > If you will be so kind to suggest that I'm selling this due to  
      > health reasons
      > and also mention I might not be able to answer questions off of my  
      > YouTube
      > account or through Ebay due to the surgery and treatment after.  
      > However I'll
      > do my best to answer if I can. The surgeon mentioned after surgery  
      > the need
      > to stay at home and out of dusty areas because of the risk of  
      > infection
      > (and maybe falling on my fat bohunkus).
      >
      > I'm planning of putting the A-80 engine on a separate auction soon.  
      > It will
      > come with an aluminum prop... forgot what brand it is, but it is in  
      > storage
      > in my barn.  Also, my Cessna 150/150 will be for sale soon. Not sure  
      > if I'll
      > put that on Barnstormers or where.
      >
      > I do encourage "pre-bid" inspections and I would do my best to  
      > accommodate
      > anyone who would like to see this in person, at the airport in  
      > Ballinger, Texas
      > (Bruce Field, E30)
      >
      > Not shown in my video are plexiglass windshields for the passenger  
      > and pilot.
      > I have these as they were cut by the original builder. I also have  
      > the horizontal
      > stabilizer I forgot to show in the video.
      >
      > Thanks again so much for helping "communicate" this. I am just way  
      > out of the
      > loop with people these days.
      >
      > Sterling
      > ===================
      > Oscar Zuniga
      > Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
      > San Antonio, TX
      > website at http://www.flysquirrel.net 		 	   		
      >
      >
      
      
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      Hey Matt-
      
      I'd love to but won't be back from Germany 'til the 9th.
      I'm in Downingtown- about 30-40 outside of Philly.
      
      do let me know if ya get out here again tho!
      
      --------
      Earl Brown
      
      I may not have gone where I intended to go, but I think I have ended up where I
      intended to be.
      
      
      Read this topic online here:
      
      http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=337893#337893
      
      
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| Subject:  | Re: Sterling's Piet project for sale in TX | 
      
      I hope Sterling has made the trip to M D Anderson Medical Center.  I was
      diagnosed w/ Stage 4 melanoma 12/09.  I put my intentions of building on
      hold until such time as I was certain of the direction I was headed.  Still
      don't know, but there are many exciting treatments being developed.  Don't
      throw in the towel yet.
      
      On Sat, Apr 23, 2011 at 7:42 AM, Kip and Beth Gardner <
      kipandbeth@earthlink.net> wrote:
      
      > kipandbeth@earthlink.net>
      >
      > This is the worst kind of news.  Sterling is one of the good guys.
      >
      > Do not archive.
      >
      > Kip Gardner
      >
      >
      > On Apr 22, 2011, at 11:57 PM, Oscar Zuniga wrote:
      >
      >> >
      >>
      >>
      >> Some of you may remember our friend Sterling, who came up with the
      >> concept of the TACOs (Texas Air Camper Organization).  He has developed
      >> melanoma and recent tests have indicated that it's going to progress
      >> unabated, so he's preparing to get his things in order so as not to leave
      >> his wife with a bunch of guy stuff to figure out and dispose of when he
      >> goes.
      >> Here's the email straight from his keyboard, and he is not one to pull
      >> punches or fool around and neither am I, so here's the deal:
      >> =====================
      >>
      >> This is the link to the video I just uploaded to my YouTube account.
      >> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vwbx3Q8cv7c
      >>
      >> The video is really lousy and not typical of my work, but I am
      >> in a rush to get a lot of things done before my surgery on 4-27. I hope
      >> to get my auction on Ebay late this weekend.
      >>
      >> I very much appreciate your helping me get word out on this. Life has
      >> gotten very complicated in the last few weeks and I have so much to do
      >> as I prepare for the big change that is about to happen. I'm in a
      >> "Muy Pronto" mindset!
      >>
      >> If you will be so kind to suggest that I'm selling this due to health
      >> reasons
      >> and also mention I might not be able to answer questions off of my YouTube
      >> account or through Ebay due to the surgery and treatment after. However
      >> I'll
      >> do my best to answer if I can. The surgeon mentioned after surgery the
      >> need
      >> to stay at home and out of dusty areas because of the risk of infection
      >> (and maybe falling on my fat bohunkus).
      >>
      >> I'm planning of putting the A-80 engine on a separate auction soon. It
      >> will
      >> come with an aluminum prop... forgot what brand it is, but it is in
      >> storage
      >> in my barn.  Also, my Cessna 150/150 will be for sale soon. Not sure if
      >> I'll
      >> put that on Barnstormers or where.
      >>
      >> I do encourage "pre-bid" inspections and I would do my best to accommodate
      >> anyone who would like to see this in person, at the airport in Ballinger,
      >> Texas
      >> (Bruce Field, E30)
      >>
      >> Not shown in my video are plexiglass windshields for the passenger and
      >> pilot.
      >> I have these as they were cut by the original builder. I also have the
      >> horizontal
      >> stabilizer I forgot to show in the video.
      >>
      >> Thanks again so much for helping "communicate" this. I am just way out of
      >> the
      >> loop with people these days.
      >>
      >> Sterling
      >> ===================
      >> Oscar Zuniga
      >> Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
      >> San Antonio, TX
      >> website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
      >>
      >>
      >>
      >>
      >>
      >
      >
      
      
      -- 
      "Nothing is foolproof to a sufficiently talented fool."---Anonymous
      
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| Subject:  | Re: Sterling's Piet project for sale in TX | 
      
      
      Wholeheartedly agree with you Kip.
      
      Sterling is a good one.  Here's hoping he gets through all this with the best outcome
      possible....
      
      JM
      
      
      -----Original Message-----
      >From: Kip and Beth Gardner <kipandbeth@earthlink.net>
      >Sent: Apr 23, 2011 6:42 AM
      >To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
      >Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Sterling's Piet project for sale in TX
      >
      >
      >This is the worst kind of news.  Sterling is one of the good guys.
      >
      >Do not archive.
      >
      >Kip Gardner
      >
      >On Apr 22, 2011, at 11:57 PM, Oscar Zuniga wrote:
      >
      >> >
      >>
      >>
      >> Some of you may remember our friend Sterling, who came up with the
      >> concept of the TACOs (Texas Air Camper Organization).  He has  
      >> developed
      >> melanoma and recent tests have indicated that it's going to progress
      >> unabated, so he's preparing to get his things in order so as not to  
      >> leave
      >> his wife with a bunch of guy stuff to figure out and dispose of when  
      >> he goes.
      >> Here's the email straight from his keyboard, and he is not one to pull
      >> punches or fool around and neither am I, so here's the deal:
      >> =====================
      >>
      >> This is the link to the video I just uploaded to my YouTube account. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vwbx3Q8cv7c
      >>
      >> The video is really lousy and not typical of my work, but I am
      >> in a rush to get a lot of things done before my surgery on 4-27. I  
      >> hope
      >> to get my auction on Ebay late this weekend.
      >>
      >> I very much appreciate your helping me get word out on this. Life has
      >> gotten very complicated in the last few weeks and I have so much to do
      >> as I prepare for the big change that is about to happen. I'm in a
      >> "Muy Pronto" mindset!
      >>
      >> If you will be so kind to suggest that I'm selling this due to  
      >> health reasons
      >> and also mention I might not be able to answer questions off of my  
      >> YouTube
      >> account or through Ebay due to the surgery and treatment after.  
      >> However I'll
      >> do my best to answer if I can. The surgeon mentioned after surgery  
      >> the need
      >> to stay at home and out of dusty areas because of the risk of  
      >> infection
      >> (and maybe falling on my fat bohunkus).
      >>
      >> I'm planning of putting the A-80 engine on a separate auction soon.  
      >> It will
      >> come with an aluminum prop... forgot what brand it is, but it is in  
      >> storage
      >> in my barn.  Also, my Cessna 150/150 will be for sale soon. Not sure  
      >> if I'll
      >> put that on Barnstormers or where.
      >>
      >> I do encourage "pre-bid" inspections and I would do my best to  
      >> accommodate
      >> anyone who would like to see this in person, at the airport in  
      >> Ballinger, Texas
      >> (Bruce Field, E30)
      >>
      >> Not shown in my video are plexiglass windshields for the passenger  
      >> and pilot.
      >> I have these as they were cut by the original builder. I also have  
      >> the horizontal
      >> stabilizer I forgot to show in the video.
      >>
      >> Thanks again so much for helping "communicate" this. I am just way  
      >> out of the
      >> loop with people these days.
      >>
      >> Sterling
      >> ===================
      >> Oscar Zuniga
      >> Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
      >> San Antonio, TX
      >> website at http://www.flysquirrel.net 		 	   		
      >>
      >>
      >>
      >>
      >
      >
      
      
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      It would just be wrong to be in the Philly area and NOT go pester Recine.....
      
      
      -----Original Message-----
      >From: VanDy <matthew.vandervort@gmail.com>
      >Sent: Apr 22, 2011 11:34 PM
      >To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
      >Subject: Pietenpol-List: PHL May 2-6
      >
      >
      >I will be in Philly May 2nd thru the 6th, just found out.  I will have a rental
      car and be available most evenings, or can make myself available in the evening,
      anybody wanna talk pietenpols??   :)
      >
      >--------
      >www.vansaviation.com  follow my Piet rebuild there!
      >
      >almost dissasembled, getting ready to order all AN hardware and SS cable
      >
      >
      >Read this topic online here:
      >
      >http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=337878#337878
      >
      >
      
      
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      Only the first coats need to be brushed so they adher mechanically to the f
      abric. I do not know how many people use latex for the first coat and how m
      any use a polyfiber or dope peoduct for the first coats. Poyfiber and nitra
      te dope need to mechanically adhere to the fabric and I do not think you ca
      n find something that adhers well to polyester fabric chemically without we
      akening it. There are other systems that may, I know nothing about stewart 
      system or Hipec.
      Rodney Hall
      
      ---- Chris <catdesigns@att.net> wrote:
      > <HTML ='xmlns:w=3D"urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:word"' xmlns:o 
      = "3D"urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office"">I thought=C2-the reason
       for brushing was to work the water base paint into the fabric so it will m
      echanically attach its self to the fabric.=C2- I seem to=C2-recall the 
      chemical based paints chemically bond to the fabric. True False?=C2-Chris
      Sacramento, CaWestcoastpiet.com
      
      
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| Subject:  | latex bonding to fabric | 
      
      You're right Chris, If latex is your first coat, the "accepted" practice
      seems to be brushing it on with a foam brush ensuring it gets squeezed into
      and encapsulates the weave to form a mechanical bond.  Consecutive coats
      will adhere to the first coat, so spraying is fine.
      
      
      My first coat was nitrate dope, which the latex sticks to well.
      
      
      Douwe
      
      
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      Kevin, thanks for the offer.  I'm looking forward to meeting Oscar and
      John later today.  We won't be able to make it up to Austin on this
      trip.  Definitely another time.  I grew up just north of Austin, at
      least it was still north of the city in those days. We lived not far
      from Tim's Airpark, where my older brother was a lineboy for awhile in
      the early '70s.  Sadly Tim's is gone now.  I have many fond memories
      of the EAA flyin that was in Georgetown before it moved to Kerrville.
      My best, Ken
      
      Do Not Archive
      
      On Fri, Apr 22, 2011 at 10:56 PM, kevinpurtee <kevin.purtee@us.army.mil> wrote:
      >
      > Ken - If you end up with LOTS of extra time I'd be happy to show you Fat Bottomed
      Girl. She's in Georgetown, north of Austin. Probably two hours north of Oscar.
      >
      > Kevin
      > 512-422-6371
      >
      > do not archive
      >
      > --------
      > Kevin "Axel" Purtee
      > NX899KP
      > Austin/Georgetown, TX
      >
      >
      > Read this topic online here:
      >
      > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=337873#337873
      >
      >
      
      
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| Subject:  | Re: spraying latex | 
      
      
      Ya'll won't believe how hard it is to rip the covering off my latex covered empenage
      and wings to recover all my fittings.It was easier to cover than to uncover.
      Gardiner.. PS, Kevin hope ya'll are able to get those fires out.
      
      --- On Sat, 4/23/11, kevinpurtee <kevin.purtee@us.army.mil> wrote:
      
      > From: kevinpurtee <kevin.purtee@us.army.mil>
      > Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: spraying latex
      > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
      > Date: Saturday, April 23, 2011, 12:06 AM
      > --> Pietenpol-List message posted
      > by: "kevinpurtee" <kevin.purtee@us.army.mil>
      > 
      > Will the wing still create lift with latex on it?
      > 
      > (sorry - can't help myself)
      > 
      > do not archive
      > 
      > --------
      > Kevin "Axel" Purtee
      > NX899KP
      > Austin/Georgetown, TX
      > 
      > 
      > 
      > 
      > Read this topic online here:
      > 
      > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=337876#337876
      > 
      > 
      > 
      > 
      > 
      > 
      > 
      > Email Forum -
      > FAQ,
      > - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS -
      > List Contribution Web Site -
      >        -Matt
      > Dralle, List Admin.
      > 
      > 
      > 
      > 
      
      
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      My intent is to brush a primer coat, then spray=85.but I do like that 
      brushed
      look on The Bell Pietenpol!
      
      
      Gary
      
      
      From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
      [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Chris
      Sent: Friday, April 22, 2011 9:41 PM
      Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: spraying latex
      
      
      I thought the reason for brushing was to work the water base paint into 
      the
      fabric so it will mechanically attach its self to the fabric.  I seem to
      recall the chemical based paints chemically bond to the fabric. True 
      False?
      
      
      Chris
      
      Sacramento, Ca
      
      Westcoastpiet.com
      
      
        _____  
      
      From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
      [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
      gboothe5@comcast.net
      Sent: Thursday, April 21, 2011 10:11 AM
      Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: spraying latex
      
      Douwe,
      
      Thanks for the info! I'll be using Benjamin Moore's Aura brand (0 VOC), 
      but
      haven't decided on application.
      
      Gary Boothe 
      
      Sent on the Sprint=AE Now Network from my BlackBerry=AE
      
        _____  
      
      From: "Douwe Blumberg" <douweblumberg@earthlink.net> 
      
      Sender: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com 
      
      
      
      ReplyTo: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
      
      Subject: Pietenpol-List: spraying latex
      
      
      Anyone thinking of doing a latex paint = job=85
      
      
      My new paint scheme is going to be a =93faux = clear-doped linen 
      look=94 with a
      trim color edging and nose.  The ceconite = will be sprayed with a 
      tinted
      clear dope, but the trim color (a weird british = green) is proving 
      very
      hard to match in dope, so I started looking at = latex.
      
      
      I just purchased a new hvlp gun for work and just = finished some 
      spray
      experiments with latex and I gotta tell you, anybody out = there 
      preparing
      to do a latex paint job should really consider spraying.  = I simply 
      am
      amazed at how nice the test panels came out.  The semi gloss I used = 
      really
      mimics dope, or one could easily spray a clear coat of dope on top and 
      = it
      would be difficult to tell the difference.  
      
      
      Now I just take my paint chip to Home Depot, have = them put it under 
      the
      spectrometer, then hit the auto paint shop for the matching = enamel 
      for the
      sheet metal and we=92re good to = go!
      
      
      Secret seems to be diluting with windshield washer = fluid for good 
      spraying
      qualities (smaller atomization) and floetrol for better = flowing 
      qualities
      once the paint is on the surface.  Mixed solution I used = took about 
      25
      seconds to exit a standard viscosity cup.  Seemed almost = impossible 
      to get
      a run on a vertical surface too, which was kinda = neat.
      
      
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      John, I am in lovely Basra, Iraq. I whould be in the SA area in mid fall. I will
      keep y'all posted. 
      
      There is one wild card. I have had my name proposed for a position in the Czech
      Republic. My real boss and I are discussing it. She is not crazy about such a
      sudden move to europe. I guess I could figure out how to fly the Vtail there.
      I am one of 4 who's names have been proposed.
      
      Blue Skies,
      Steve D
      
      ----- Original Message -----
      From: John Kuhfahl <kuhlcouper@gmail.com>
      Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: San Antonio
      
      
      > Steve,
      > where the heck are you? I am so computer/worldtime  shot.  BTW 
      > thanks for
      > all you do--saving our asses etc. pls call when you are home. we 
      > need to
      > talk piets'n 'stuff  John
      > 
      > On Fri, Apr 22, 2011 at 1:36 PM, Dortch, Steven D MAJ NG NG 
      > FORSCOM <steven.d.dortch@us.army.mil> wrote:
      > 
      > > <
      > >
      > > John, looks like I am going to be heading back to Fort Sam Houston. I will
      > > finish the deployment this fall and would love to take a look at your next
      > > pile of junk. LOL.
      > >
      > > Blue Skies,
      > > Steve D
      > >
      > >
      > >
      > >
      > >
      > 
      > 
      > -- 
      > John Kuhfahl, Lt Col USAF (Ret),
      > President, KUHLCOUPER LLC
      
      
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      Iam in town and would welcome a visit 
      
      John Recine 
      
      215 208 8309
      
      Sent via DROID on Verizon Wireless
      
      -----Original message-----
      From: Jim Markle <jim_markle@mindspring.com>
      Sent: Sat, Apr 23, 2011 13:32:44 GMT+00:00
      Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: PHL May 2-6
      
      
      It would just be wrong to be in the Philly area and NOT go pester  
      Recine.....
      
      
      -----Original Message-----
      >From: VanDy <matthew.vandervort@gmail.com>
      >Sent: Apr 22, 2011 11:34 PM
      >To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
      >Subject: Pietenpol-List: PHL May 2-6
      >
      <matthew.vandervort@gmail.com>
      >
      >I will be in Philly May 2nd thru the 6th, just found out.  I will have a  
      rental car and be available most evenings, or can make myself available in  
      the evening,  anybody wanna talk pietenpols??   :)
      >
      >--------
      >www.vansaviation.com  follow my Piet rebuild there!
      >
      >almost dissasembled, getting ready to order all AN hardware and SS cable
      >
      >
      >Read this topic online here:
      >
      >http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=337878#337878
      >
      >
      
      
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      There was a discussion about cutting your own cap strips a little while ago and
      I am a little confused.  I have read the circular on selecting wood and and now
      totally lost.  My vocabulary is limited to whatyamacallits and thingamajigs.
      Reason being,I lucked in to about 20 BF of spruce for $10.00 and was going to
      get started while waiting for my order to arrive.  After I cut my capstrips
      which way should the grain be running.  Please check the drawing and let me know.
      
      Thanks
      Mark
      
      
      Read this topic online here:
      
      http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=337919#337919
      
      
      Attachments: 
      
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| Subject:  | Another rib question | 
      
      
      I am plotting out the 612 rib and while looking at various photos of previous ribs
      made i see that some have vertical supports along the spars and some do not.
      The Pietenpol original wing plan does not have them, with the attachment point
      being nails along the top and bottom of the spar.   Does having them make
      installation easier later on?  I would like to not have the extra pound or two
      of wood if they are not necessary.  Just trying to see the logic in the various
      methods.
      Thanks
      Mark
      
      
      Read this topic online here:
      
      http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=337921#337921
      
      
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| Subject:  | Re: Rudder Cable Routing | 
      
      
      Hi Gary, 
      
      Thanks I think Arlene and I will do that. Probably mid to late May if you are going
      to be home. 
      
      Cheers, 
      
      Jim 
      
      
      Do not archive 
      
      
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| Subject:  | Re: Rib Questions | 
      
      
      On 4/23/2011 1:03 PM, Mark M wrote:
      > -->  Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Mark M"<mmcfi@juno.com>
      >
      > There was a discussion about cutting your own cap strips a little while ago and
      I am a little confused.  I have read the circular on selecting wood and and
      now totally lost.  My vocabulary is limited to whatyamacallits and thingamajigs.
      Reason being,I lucked in to about 20 BF of spruce for $10.00 and was going
      to get started while waiting for my order to arrive.  After I cut my capstrips
      which way should the grain be running.  Please check the drawing and let me
      know.
      > Thanks
      > Mark
      >
      > Choice B is the preferred orientation.  I made all my ribs from Douglas Fir bought
      at Lowe's.  I could only find one or two boards at a time that had a tight
      enough grain, but I'd plane them down to 1/2 inch and then rip 1/4 inch strips
      on the table saw.  Most lumber yard boards come with the grain orientation
      as in you diagram A
      >
      >
      
      
      -- 
      Ben Charvet, PharmD
      Staff Pharmacist
      Parrish Medical center
      
      
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| Subject:  | Re: latex bonding to fabric | 
      
      
      I picked up some Latex today- best one Sherwin Williams carries.I'm going to cover
      my wings and tail before they get any oil and such hopefully. I'm not happy
      flying them just with Polyspray over the long haul.I am planning on trying to
      use foam brush and roller. I'm looking for experience to guide me with how
      much to thin? I have some flow control agent. and if necessary a gallon of bug
      juice- windshield washer fluid. but the guy at the store says all it takes is
      a few ounces of the floetrol type stuff. (it's a different brand but he says
      it's just as good) I know I'll need to re-calculate the W&B afterward but I can
      deal with that.if any of you went through the finish with roller and foam brush
      and wouldn't mind I'd sure like to hear about your results.Raymond
      
      
      Read this topic online here:
      
      http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=337943#337943
      
      
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| Subject:  | Re: latex bonding to fabric | 
      
      I would not use a roller.- A foam brush would work well.- The brush wil
      l help insure that it gets brushed into the fabric, the roller could leave 
      voids, adheasion problems, and probably won't look as good as a brush.- I
      'd recomend at least-2 cross coats (4 total coats) 90 degrees to each oth
      er, 1 span wise, next 1 chord wise, span wise, chord wise.- Then judge if
       you need any more coats.-Experiment and see what works for you.
      -
      Shad
      
      --- On Sat, 4/23/11, skellytown flyer <skellflyer1@yahoo.com> wrote:
      
      
      From: skellytown flyer <skellflyer1@yahoo.com>
      Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: latex bonding to fabric
      
      
      .com>
      
      I picked up some Latex today- best one Sherwin Williams carries.I'm going t
      o cover my wings and tail before they get any oil and such hopefully. I'm n
      ot happy flying them just with Polyspray over the long haul.I am planning o
      n trying to- use foam brush and roller. I'm looking for experience to gui
      de me with how much to thin? I have some flow control agent. and if necessa
      ry a gallon of bug juice- windshield washer fluid. but the guy at the store
       says all it takes is a few ounces of the floetrol type stuff. (it's a diff
      erent brand but he says it's just as good) I know I'll need to re-calculate
       the W&B afterward but I can deal with that.if any of you went through the 
      finish with roller and foam brush and wouldn't mind I'd sure like to hear a
      bout your results.Raymond
      
      
      Read this topic online here:
      
      http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=337943#337943
      
      
      le, List Admin.
      
      
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| Subject:  | Re: latex bonding to fabric | 
      
      I can state from seeing up  close & personal that Shad's brushed-on  
      paint job looks real fine - kind of old-timey, but do you really want  
      super-slick on a plane like this?
      
      Kip Gardner
      
      On Apr 23, 2011, at 5:52 PM, shad bell wrote:
      
      > I would not use a roller.  A foam brush would work well.  The brush  
      > will help insure that it gets brushed into the fabric, the roller  
      > could leave voids, adheasion problems, and probably won't look as  
      > good as a brush.  I'd recomend at least 2 cross coats (4 total  
      > coats) 90 degrees to each other, 1 span wise, next 1 chord wise,  
      > span wise, chord wise.  Then judge if you need any more coats.  
      > Experiment and see what works for you.
      >
      > Shad
      >
      > --- On Sat, 4/23/11, skellytown flyer <skellflyer1@yahoo.com> wrote:
      >
      > From: skellytown flyer <skellflyer1@yahoo.com>
      > Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: latex bonding to fabric
      > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
      > Date: Saturday, April 23, 2011, 5:11 PM
      >
      > >
      >
      > I picked up some Latex today- best one Sherwin Williams carries.I'm  
      > going to cover my wings and tail before they get any oil and such  
      > hopefully. I'm not happy flying them just with Polyspray over the  
      > long haul.I am planning on trying to  use foam brush and roller. I'm  
      > looking for experience to guide me with how much to thin? I have  
      > some flow control agent. and if necessary a gallon of bug juice-  
      > windshield washer fluid. but the guy at the store says all it takes  
      > is a few ounces of the floetrol type stuff. (it's a different brand  
      > but he says it's just as good) I know I'll need to re-calculate the  
      > W&B afterward but I can deal with that.if any of you went through  
      > the finish with roller and foam brush and wouldn't mind I'd sure  
      > like to hear about your results.Raymond
      >
      >
      > Read this topic online here:
      >
      > http://forums.matronics.comt; http://www.matronics.com/contribution
      >
      >
      
      
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| Subject:  | Re: latex bonding to fabric | 
      
      
      I'll bet it does. I'm not looking for a super slick wet look. I got semi-gloss.
      if it will just lay down smooth I'll be happy. I have already got it in Stitts
      through Poly-spray and flying it some. always did plan to do a finish coat on
      the wings and tail.the fuse is Red now. but will do a cream-white flying surfaces.Raymond
      
      
      Read this topic online here:
      
      http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=337948#337948
      
      
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| Subject:  | Re: Another rib question | 
      
      
      Mark,
      
      I am a new guy, like you , and am just getting started on my ribs. I have chosen
      the Riblett 613.5 airfoil. My apologies to all of the traditionalists, but I
      think that Lowell Frank and others have done a good job of convincing me to go
      with a Riblett airfoil. The original wing ribs did not have the brace behind
      the main spar and the additional vertical brace in front of the rear spar, but
      it seems that a lot of people have introduced them to the design as an improvement.
      Once you add the bracing/cables, it makes for a good design addition.
      I have added it, and you might consider doing so as well.
      
      --------
      Semper Fi,
      
      Terry
      
      
      Read this topic online here:
      
      http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=337952#337952
      
      
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| Subject:  | Re: latex bonding to fabric | 
      
      
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| Subject:  | Re: latex bonding to fabric | 
      
      Sorry about the large email before. I tried to attach a picture (79k) but I guess
      I don't know how. 
      
      Malcolm Morrison 
      ----- Original Message ----- 
      From: "skellytown flyer" <skellflyer1@yahoo.com> 
      Sent: Saturday, April 23, 2011 5:11:13 PM 
      Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: latex bonding to fabric 
      
      
      I picked up some Latex today- best one Sherwin Williams carries.I'm going to cover
      my wings and tail before they get any oil and such hopefully. I'm not happy
      flying them just with Polyspray over the long haul.I am planning on trying to
      use foam brush and roller. I'm looking for experience to guide me with how much
      to thin? I have some flow control agent. and if necessary a gallon of bug
      juice- windshield washer fluid. but the guy at the store says all it takes is
      a few ounces of the floetrol type stuff. (it's a different brand but he says it's
      just as good) I know I'll need to re-calculate the W&B afterward but I can
      deal with that.if any of you went through the finish with roller and foam brush
      and wouldn't mind I'd sure like to hear about your results.Raymond 
      
      
      Read this topic online here: 
      
      http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=337943#337943 
      
      
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      John,
        I saved your nuber in my phone, and will give you a call when I get out
      there and figure out my shcedule!   my schedule will be pretty crazy, but I
      will do my best to clear an evening!  My cell is 513-668-2103  it wont be on
      until at least this wednesday, my old i phone died, but a new one on the
      way!
      
      Jim,
         any reccomendations on how to properly pester?  I am all ears!!
      
      
      On Sat, Apr 23, 2011 at 12:09 PM, Amsafetyc@gmail.com
      <amsafetyc@gmail.com>wrote:
      
      > Iam in town and would welcome a visit
      >
      > John Recine
      >
      > 215 208 8309 <2152088309>
      >
      > *Sent via DROID on Verizon Wireless*
      >
      >
      > -----Original message-----
      >
      > *From: *Jim Markle <jim_markle@mindspring.com>*
      > To: *pietenpol-list@matronics.com
      > *
      > Sent: *Sat, Apr 23, 2011 13:32:44 GMT+00:00*
      > Subject: *Re: Pietenpol-List: PHL May 2-6
      >
      >
      > It would just be wrong to be in the Philly area and NOT go pester
      > Recine.....
      >
      >
      > -----Original Message-----
      > >From: VanDy
      > >Sent: Apr 22, 2011 11:34 PM
      > >To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
      > >Subject: Pietenpol-List: PHL May 2-6
      > >
      > >
      > >I will be in Philly May 2nd thru the 6th, just found out. I will have a
      > rental car and be available most evenings, or can make myself available in
      > the evening, anybody wanna talk pietenpols?? :)
      > >
      > >--------
      > >www.vansaviation.com follow my Piet rebuild there!
      > >
      > >almost dissasembled, getting ready to order all AN hardware and SS cable
      > >
      > >
      > >
      > >
      > >Read this topic online here:
      > >
      > >http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=337878#337878
      > >
      > >
      > >
      > >
      > >
      > >
      > >
      > >
      > >
      > >
      >
      >
      
 
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